1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Breaking news Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie missing, day twenty seven. 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: This as new video footage uncovered of twelve separate vehicles 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: speeding by in Nancy's neighborhood directly onto her street between 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 2: twelve am and six am the very night Nancy is 6 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 2: abducted around to am. Shocker, one of those vehicles that 7 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: many people have identified as a Kia Soul, speeds by 8 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: just eight minutes after Nancy Guthrie's pacemaker stops connecting to Bluetooth. 9 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: What is the significance this? 10 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: As we learn many experts believe the ransom were written 11 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 2: by AI, and tonight we discover there is a way 12 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: to trace and track that. 13 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 3: Also, we learn that the family. 14 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: Is getting the home back. Good move or bad move 15 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: on Nanos's part. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 16 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. 17 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 4: Big money that could change the rest of a person's life. 18 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: That reduces loyalty. 19 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 2: Somebody who sees a one point two million dollar reward 20 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: is going to start. 21 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 4: To think, Hmmm, that boyfriend I dated. 22 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: But I don't really like him so much. Now you 23 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 3: know what I like? 24 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: The thought of a one point two million reward a 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: lot more. 26 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 5: We are hoping that the attention that has been given 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 5: to our mom and our family will extend to all 28 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 5: the families like ours who are in need and need 29 00:01:52,760 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 5: prayers and need support. So please, if you hear this message, 30 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 5: if you've been waiting and you haven't been sure, let 31 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 5: this be your sign to please come forward, tell which 32 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 5: you know and help us bring our beloved mom home 33 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 5: so that we can either celebrate a glorious, miraculous homecoming 34 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 5: or celebrate the beautiful, brave and courageous and noble life 35 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 5: that she has lived. Please be the light in the dark. 36 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 3: Thank you. 37 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: At this hour, new video footage has been recovered. Let's 38 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: see a look at what the FBI is looking at 39 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: along with us. This is a neighbor around two miles 40 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: away from Nancy Guthrie's home. 41 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: This is from their. 42 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: Home cam street facing Why is this significant? This is 43 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: aroun our friends over at Fox News Digital. By the way, 44 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: look at the vehicles. 45 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 3: They're not just vehicles in the neighborhood. They are vehicles. 46 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: This goes right onto Nancy Guthrie Street between twelve thirty 47 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: am and six am. Who is out driving around at 48 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 2: the exact time Nancy Guthrie is kidnapped a few blocks 49 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: away one of the vehicles, just eight minutes after her 50 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: pacemaker disconnects from Bluetooth. 51 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: Joining us at All Star panel. 52 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: But first of all, straight out to Dave Matt Crime 53 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: Stories investigative reporter, Dave, tell me about this video, you know. 54 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 6: Nancy, it's shocking when you look at the video. You're 55 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 6: seeing this ring camera picking up the car driving on 56 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 6: what is considered a back road. It's not a road 57 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 6: that is traveled on a regular basis by a lot 58 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 6: of people, but those familiar with the area Nancy would 59 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 6: note this is a perfect way out of Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood. 60 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 6: And as you mentioned, the two q thirty six am 61 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 6: marker is really important because Nancy's pacemaker attached by Bluetooth 62 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 6: at two twenty eight am. This is about seven and 63 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 6: a half minutes later, the exact amount of time it 64 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 6: takes to drive from Nancy Guthrie's home to this location. 65 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 6: On the ring doorbell camera footage, we're seeing this. This 66 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 6: camera footage was available, Nancy, but it was just outside 67 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 6: of the two miles circumference that law enforcement put up 68 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 6: as their ring around the actual crime scene. It's two 69 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 6: and a half miles away from Nancy Guthries' home, but 70 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 6: again it is an area that leads away from her 71 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 6: neighborhood and it perfectly catches these cars we mentioned a 72 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 6: minute ago. Between midnight and six am that day, twelve 73 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 6: cars traveled down that road, this one at two thirty 74 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 6: six am. 75 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: Guy, is this friends at Fox News, let me go 76 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 2: straight out to special guests joining us along with Brian Fitzgibbons. 77 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: Eric Drickerson is with US. 78 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: Former FBI special agent twenty years who had specialized in 79 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: international kidnapping, supervised the FBI Mexico US. 80 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 3: Border Liaison program. 81 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: Man, I bet you got some stories to tell international 82 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: crimes investigator. Many times in your cases you have used 83 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: surveillance video like this, and this was a near miss. 84 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: It was just outside that two mile radius where the 85 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: FBI and local shriffs were looking. 86 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 3: What do you make of this, Eric, Yeah, and this falls. 87 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 4: In line with their normal investigative procedure what they're going 88 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 4: to be doing. Obviously, they're focusing on the evidence collective 89 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 4: at the scene of the crime, but as they work 90 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 4: further and further away from that epicenter. They're going to 91 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 4: look at cameras. The next logical staff would be to 92 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 4: follow points of entry and exit to the community. They're 93 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 4: going to be looking at what we call choke points 94 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 4: or where vehicles have a tendency or a natural tendency 95 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 4: to flow, and they're going to be trying to put 96 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 4: together additional pieces. When I look at this video, the 97 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 4: unfortunate sidet is obviously the resolution doesn't provide us details 98 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 4: like license plate numbers provide inside, it does provide enough 99 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 4: detail for them to follow up on additional leads and nancy. 100 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 4: This could be something that is significant in the case. 101 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 4: I talked about this before. As they open that circumference 102 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 4: center of the crime, they're going to reveal additional information. Now, 103 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 4: I would like to say whether or not this vehicle 104 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 4: was involved in the actual crime itself. It is of 105 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 4: significant relevance because it was in the area when the 106 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 4: crime occurred. So whether it is directly related to the 107 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 4: criminal activity or to the abduction, or whether or not 108 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: they are a valuable piece of evidence in being a witness, 109 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 4: it's still a very very relevant breaking evidence in news. 110 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: I agree. I agree, guys. 111 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: This is Eric Driggerson former FBI special agent twenty years 112 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: specializing in international kidnappings, and we're the US Mexico border. 113 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: That video from our friends at Fox Now to Brian Fitzgibbons. 114 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: You know him well. 115 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: He is Director of Operations USPA Nationwide Security. He leads 116 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: a team of investigators specializing in missing people around the 117 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: world trying to recover and extract them. 118 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 3: Former Marine Iraqi war Vet. 119 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: Brian, you and I have dealt with a lot of 120 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: cases that were cracked because of a car. 121 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: Because of a car. 122 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: Okay, just off the top of my head, these are 123 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: two great examples I like to use. Of course, the 124 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: devil himself, Brian Coburger, you know, the campus police at 125 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: WSU Washington State University in Pullman, Washington. 126 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: Found his car first. 127 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: Why because a clerk at a gas station quick stop 128 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: and there is the King Road address where Brian Coburger 129 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: did the worst crimes imaginable. 130 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: This clerk at let's just say a quick, quick chip. 131 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: It's not a quick chip. 132 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: I've been there, but I don't recall the name of 133 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: the gas station. Took it upon herself to start combing 134 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: through video all on her own, and she sees the 135 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: white launcher go by at like four point thirty in 136 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: the morning some crazy time and hands it over to police. 137 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: They get white Elantra. They then put that out to 138 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: all surrounding points and Washington State University. 139 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: There's a guy. 140 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: Campus security starts going through well who's registered with white Elantra, 141 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: Brian Coburger. They go to his apartment, they see the Elantra, 142 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: get the tag number and all that, and that's how 143 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: the whole thing starts with the white Elantra. Example one, 144 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 2: Molly Tibbett's gorgeous young co ed been studying for her classes, 145 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 2: goes out for a jog daylight. 146 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 3: Hours, let's not attack. The victim goes out for a job. 147 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: The last time she's seen, she's having an altercation with 148 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: the guy. 149 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 3: Easing by back and forth. 150 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: He was identified as the purpose killed her because of 151 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: unusual markings on that vehicle caught on home surveillance. I 152 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,359 Speaker 2: can name them and name them and name. 153 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: Them cars, Point Fitzgibbons. Isn't it true? In major metropolitan 154 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: areas there are whole. 155 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: Teams like you got homicide, you got robbery, you got 156 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: sex crimes, crimes on children. There's a whole team that 157 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: works on stolen cars. They identify types, makes, and models 158 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: just like that, because every year car manufacturers subtly change 159 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 2: the car to appeal to those people that want to 160 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: buy a new car every year. 161 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: Who they are, I don't know. 162 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: They can look at a car and give you them 163 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: making models some of the year, just like that. So 164 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: already our online sluice have identified one of the vehicles 165 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: as a Kia Soul. What do you make of the 166 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: car information. Let's take a look at the video some more. 167 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, you're spot on here, Nancy. And you know one 168 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 7: thing I'll add to this. Very quickly, online sluice identified 169 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 7: that this is a Kia Soul, and I want to 170 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 7: add something. Eric did a great job describing how they're 171 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 7: expanding that radius with collecting video. Sources have reported that 172 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 7: law enforcement has collected nearly ten thousand hours of surveillance 173 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 7: video related to this case. So what does that say 174 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 7: to us? This one happened, This video happened to come. 175 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 4: To Fox News. 176 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 7: Okay, there are tens of thousands of hours that has 177 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 7: not come to Fox News, and that law enforcement is 178 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 7: going through the process of triaging based on the time, 179 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 7: the location of those cameras, the time. 180 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 4: Of the recording and they're starting. 181 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 7: To process that all now. So I think that this 182 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 7: case is far from cold. A lot of leads are 183 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 7: being investigated from this video. 184 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: We don't say the C word. I don't want to 185 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: hear cold. 186 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, oh, I agree. 187 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why, because a lot has been 188 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: made of the fact that, hey, Dave Mac, isn't true. 189 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to circle back to the video, but I 190 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: want to clear up a point, Dave. 191 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: Matt crimes story is investigative reporter with us. 192 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: The FBI is taking a lot of its men and 193 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: women from Tucson, and they're relocating to Phoenix, which is 194 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: their largest branch, their largest office in Arizona. And I 195 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: was thinking about it last night, Dave Mac. Actually I 196 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 2: may have been talking to you about it. 197 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: Yeah. 198 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 2: I could come up with legal theories if I was 199 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: sitting out in the woods in a forest in a tent. 200 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: But I could do a lot better if I've gotten 201 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: my laptop. I have got my iPad, I've got all 202 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: my stuff that I use when I am researching. 203 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: I can look up the law, I can look up 204 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: the facts. 205 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: The fact that they are relocating from Tucson and taking 206 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: a large number of boots on the ground to Tucson 207 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 2: does not. 208 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: Mean this case is cold. 209 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: Dave mac what do you know about them relocating a 210 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: lot of the force to a Phoenix. 211 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 6: When the FBI investigators are working in Tucson, they're working 212 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 6: out of like a satellite office. But by taking them 213 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 6: back to the main office in Phoenix, where they have 214 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 6: access to all of everything, including all of the experts 215 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 6: sitting next to one another. You mentioned like sitting in 216 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 6: a tent coming up with legal theories. Well, now put 217 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 6: that tent inside of an office with thousands of hours 218 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 6: of experience on this case alone. Now you can get 219 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 6: some movement forward. So no, this moving from Tucson to 220 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 6: Phoenix with a large number of the investigation it really 221 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 6: is a way to put all of their eggs in 222 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 6: a basket that can actually really investigate because they've already 223 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 6: done boots on the ground, Nancy, and they'll have other 224 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 6: research events take place as needed, but they've all seen 225 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 6: the locations. Now they've got to dig in to the 226 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 6: actual data and break it all down. So Phoenix is 227 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 6: stepping it up. 228 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: I mean, Eric Jrickerson, you've handled so many investigations as 229 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: has Fitzgibbons. They've turned the house upside down. They've had 230 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: federal prosecutors out there to go over it. 231 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 3: We were watching them yesterday. 232 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 2: Let's see that footage of them going through, step by 233 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: step all the way through the home. 234 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 3: All the way through the outside. There they are. We 235 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: got this aerial view from our friends at Fox. Look 236 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: at this. They are going past the pool. I noticed 237 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: Eric that. 238 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: They took a long time and took One guy took 239 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: photos at the wrought iron gate as he was leaving 240 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: the pool area. They're coming along a side alley, side 241 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: walkway to get to the pool that's completely obscured by foliage. 242 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: See the guy taking out and taking a picture of 243 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: something right there, and he takes it and off they go. 244 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 3: They've done it all. Now. 245 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: I don't like the idea which I'm going to discuss 246 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: about them releasing the scene. I don't see what's the 247 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: hurry in that. Because in the Alex Murdog trial, I 248 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: know you remember him, double killer, high profile lawyer out 249 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: of South Carolina, they did not release the saying and 250 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: guess what, the jury got their guilty verdict after visiting 251 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: the crime scene. So I don't believe in releasing the 252 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: scene before. 253 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: The jury trial. 254 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: But that's just me that said, everybody on the ground 255 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: has done all they can do. Now it's a matter 256 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: of assimulating all of this evidence. You're hearing Dave mac 257 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: talk about the thousands and thousands of videos of both 258 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: that Wassgibvens, the thousands of video surveillance that they've yet 259 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: to go through. 260 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, Nancy, the FBI and local authorities have what's called 261 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 4: Evidence response Teams or ERP. They specialize in going through 262 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 4: meticulously going through every piece of possible evidence, including collecting 263 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 4: any any DNA or any physical evidence, or any fingerprints 264 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 4: or any type of evidence from the scene of the crime. 265 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 4: And when they feel they've exhausted all collection, the normal 266 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 4: course of events is then they release that crime scene 267 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 4: back to the owner of the property or the family. 268 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 4: This is normal protocol. Of course, there is the possibility 269 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 4: that something may may be discovered at a later date, 270 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 4: but I'm sure they feel comfortable in the fact that 271 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 4: they have meticulously combed through everything that's available to them. 272 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: And Brianus Gibbons joining us from USPA Nationwide Security. Brian 273 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: I was telling Hannity last night, who was kind enough 274 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: to invite me on. I cannot even remember count all 275 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: the nights I would be sitting in the floor at 276 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: the office, sitting beside the xerox machine. Everybody else had 277 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: gone home at the district attorney's office, surrounded by stacks 278 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: of paper, each one a pile like witness statements, legal arguments, 279 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 2: DNA reports, just you name it, thinking, oh, my stars, 280 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: just so much paper. I just want to get in 281 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: the court room and try the case. But you have 282 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: to cross your t's and dot your eyes. So I 283 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: remember those nights, and part of putting a case together 284 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: is what the FBI is going to do now. Now 285 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 2: back in their main field division in Phoenix, have you 286 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: ever had to plow through thousands of dot and Oh? 287 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 3: When I was a. 288 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: FED we would have a room full of boxes of documents, 289 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: a whole room of boxes stacked up. 290 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: So it's it's part of the job. You have to 291 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: do it. 292 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, And as a private investigator, you know, we 293 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 7: don't have nearly the support that the FBI has, right 294 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 7: the personnel, the expertise, the number of reps that they 295 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 7: get at processing this amount of video. 296 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 4: These are the experts that. 297 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 7: Are going to be able to do that and I 298 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 7: want to add one thing that walk through with federal 299 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 7: prosecutors is key here because a lot of of this evidence, 300 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 7: research and collection that's going to happen in analysis is 301 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 7: going to be guided by those prosecutors as they build 302 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 7: this up. 303 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 3: I want to go back to the car video. Guys. Now, 304 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: a lot is being made online. It's helpful, it's not helpful. 305 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 2: It's a dead end, it's a lead. You can't listen 306 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: to anything you're hearing or reading in the media, media 307 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: on the outside, law enforcement on the inside. But I 308 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 2: am telling you that every bit of video is being 309 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: reviewed by the feds. 310 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 3: Guys. 311 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: This video is provided to us from our friends at 312 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 2: Fox News. Speaking of the video and whether it's real 313 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 2: or not real, and sources say it is and sources 314 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: say it's not. What about the speed he's the driver 315 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 2: is flying by, and it makes me remember how fast 316 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 2: Brian Coburger. He was like a bat out of h 317 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: G double L flying, flapping as fast as he can 318 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 2: to get out wings on fire. 319 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 3: Okay, Coburger flying out of there. 320 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: And the particular car that goes by right after Nancy 321 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 2: Guthries pacemaker disconnects from Bluetooth is flying Brian Fitsgibbons. 322 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, it looks like that vehicle's moving at a pretty 323 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 7: high rate of speed and as we've seen in this case, 324 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 7: these roads are very dark residential areas, so that could 325 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 7: be an anomaly to be driving at that high rate 326 00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 7: of speed at that time of night. 327 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 5: All of the information about this reward and the details 328 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 5: is in the caption below. You can call the one 329 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 5: eight hundred tip line. You can be anonymous if you want. 330 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 5: Someone out there knows something that can bring her home. 331 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 5: Somebody knows. We are begging you to please come forward. Now, 332 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 5: we also know that we are not alone in our loss. 333 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 5: We know there are millions of families that have suffered 334 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 5: with this kind of uncertainty, and for that reason, today 335 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 5: we also are donating five hundred thousand dollars to the 336 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 5: National Center for Missing and Exploited Children for their work 337 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 5: and helping families who are coping with loss and actively 338 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 5: looking for those who are lost. 339 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 340 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 2: Video from Nancy Guthrie's home has shown a masked suspect 341 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: on her front porch the night she goes missing, but 342 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 2: now has a distinguishing mark been found on the backpack. 343 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: The FBI, working with Pema County Sheriffs, released the doorbell 344 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: video to generate leads. Look carefully on the purpse left strap. 345 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: An individual has spotted and now publicized a black star 346 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 2: on the jacket. Take oh, look, let's see it. Iowed 347 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 2: very quickly a star shaped pattern in black. 348 00:21:59,400 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: Look at this. 349 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 2: It was shared widely on Twitter X. What if anything 350 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: does it mean? 351 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: It could mean nothing or it could mean a break 352 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 3: in the case. 353 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: This post from trill on X straight out to Dave 354 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 2: Matt Crime Story's investigative reporter, Dave, what can you tell 355 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 2: me about the star? Because we have gone back and 356 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 2: reviewed the original video released by Cash Betel, released by 357 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: law enforcement. 358 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 3: And you can see that in the look there it is. 359 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: Now when it's highlighted and it put on X, you 360 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 2: can see much better and you see red stitching, but 361 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: you can see that. 362 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 6: What do you know, Dave, Nancy, you know this has 363 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 6: just come up in the last hours and a lot 364 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 6: of people are trying to search for that particular star 365 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 6: and where it is located on other backpacks and Nancy, 366 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 6: you know we've even gone back and forth here about 367 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 6: well do you see it? 368 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 4: Do you not? 369 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 3: It's a catch twenty two. 370 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 6: I don't know what is actually on the strap versus 371 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 6: the jacket and trying to locate it. You can't see 372 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 6: anything there or right there. You can see it on 373 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 6: his left strap what appears to be a star. 374 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 2: Guys, if you look at different angle, sometimes you can 375 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 2: see it, sometimes you cannot see it. 376 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 3: Is it real in any event? 377 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: Eric Drinkerson, this is a type of detail that has 378 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 2: to be chased down by the FEDS. 379 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 3: Right, every detail can matter. 380 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's man, it's a relevant detail because it 381 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 4: serves two purposes. Really. Number one, the uniqueness of that 382 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 4: star could help determine where that article of clothing or 383 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: that backpack came from. That's an important detail. And the 384 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 4: second point is it can help in asking for public assistance. 385 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 4: This is somewhat unique and it can help some witness 386 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 4: or somebody who's willing to cooperate identify that clothing associated 387 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 4: with a person. So either way, I think it's relevant, 388 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 4: whether it's a star, whether it's something else, just the 389 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 4: fact that it's somewhat unique to that article of clothing. 390 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: What about it, Brian Fitzgibbons, What if anything can you 391 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: do with that? You know, distinctive features can't identify a perp. Okay, 392 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 2: here's a good example. I tried a drug lord. I 393 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 2: tried a lot of drug lords, and one of them 394 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: was saying the night of the incident, it was a 395 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 2: murder by the way, and he brazenly was wearing a 396 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: red leather ensemble jacket, pants the works, and guess what 397 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 2: he was wearing and he was sighted again, red leather ensemble. 398 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: I mean, how many of those are walking around is 399 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: very very easily identifiable. So same thing, a detail like 400 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: that can go a long way jump. 401 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 7: In absolutely and you know it's going to help investigators 402 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 7: identify you know, was this a piece of clothing that 403 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 7: was produced with that star on it? You know that's 404 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 7: the brand's logo or whatever, or was this an aftermarket thing? 405 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 4: You know what? 406 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 7: Are there embroidery shops and Tucson that have put on 407 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 7: fifty of these for a small business or a school 408 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 7: or something related to it. So you know, this will 409 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 7: be very identifiable if that is indeed an embroidered star 410 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 7: on that jacket. 411 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 2: Guys, we're trying to make sense up all of the 412 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: evidence that is bubbling up as we go to air 413 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: new evidence about a star beside the backpack vehicle speeding 414 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: by in Nancy's neighborhood at the same time her pacemaker 415 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: disconnects from Bluetooth. Sometimes all the evidence can be overwhelming, 416 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: Eric Drinkerson, And that is why I had to quote 417 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 2: marshal the evidence. 418 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: Marshal the evidence. 419 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 2: In other words, think of a thousand men and women 420 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: in the infantry. If they're just meeling around, they're ineffective. 421 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: You have to get them in lines, assign them tasks. 422 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 2: You have to marshal them to have any effect. That's 423 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: what is meant by marshaling your evidence. So right now, 424 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: think about it, Eric, the FBI is going to DeCamp 425 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: from Tucson. They're going to recamp in Phoenix, and they 426 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: have all of this video to go through, ten thousand 427 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 2: plus hours of surveillance. 428 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 3: They have all of the Walmart to go. 429 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: Through, that's online orders and wow and purchases at local 430 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: Walmarts and beyond. 431 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 3: They have all of the tips to go through. 432 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 2: Now, over forty thousand tips since Savannah gave her a 433 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: last play, which we showed earlier, Nearly two thousand tips 434 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: have already come in since then, which I believe may 435 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 2: be even more serious tips because there's a million dollars 436 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 2: plus on the line. This is a herculean task. I mean, 437 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: how does the FBI go about doing it? 438 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, Nancy, there's a lot associated with this, so it 439 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 4: cuts both ways, going public and asking for public assistance 440 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 4: and increasing this this reward to now over over one million, 441 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 4: two hundred thousand dollars. Brings can bring substantial new evidence 442 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 4: into the fold into helping identify and helping discover new evidence, 443 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 4: but it also creates issues where you're getting a lot 444 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 4: of reporting, much of which is not associated with this kind, 445 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 4: much of which may be people trying to capitalize on 446 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 4: this tragedy to make money. So this is going to 447 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 4: be a monumental task, as you said, for the FBI 448 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 4: and local law enforcement to comb through all of this 449 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 4: reporting and all of this evidence. Key things are going 450 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 4: to be looking for, though, is anything unique that people 451 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 4: that provide this evidence may know about the victim. So 452 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 4: whether that's proof of life information, whether it's unique information 453 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 4: of the way she was dressed or articles that she 454 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 4: may have had on her person, all of that is 455 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 4: going to come into play. So they can start to 456 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 4: weed through this evidence and figure out what's relevant for 457 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 4: the case and what is it but I recall back 458 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 4: when nine to eleven happened and we had tens of thousands, 459 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 4: not millions, of people reporting suspicious activity, and the monumental 460 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 4: task of going through and finding what's relevant to the 461 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 4: crime and what is that's going to be a big 462 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 4: challenge for authorities. 463 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 464 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 2: Also tonight, a creepy stranger drives past Nancy Guthrie's home 465 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 2: last night around one hundred times while staring at a 466 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: photo of missus Guthrie on his phone. 467 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 3: Straight out to Dave Matt. Dave Matt, who is this guy? 468 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 6: Nancy let Yesterday afternoon into the early evening hours, a 469 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 6: man was driving his vehicle on Nancy Guthrie Street, right 470 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 6: in front of her house, and he's driving by really 471 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 6: slow while he's looking at a picture of Nancy Guthrie 472 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 6: on his phone. Now we're not talking three or four 473 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 6: times driving up and down the street. We're talking about 474 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 6: the guy doing it for a long time, fifty to 475 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 6: one hundred times, driving in front of her house all 476 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 6: the while and I'm glowing really really slow. He's creeping 477 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 6: along looking at a picture of Nancy Guthrie on his phone. 478 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 6: So finally police decided's time to take a look at 479 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 6: this guy, and they pull him over and police arrest 480 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 6: thirty four year old Antonio DeJesus Pegna compos in front 481 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 6: of Nancy Guthrie's home on misdemeanor DUI charges. 482 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 5: Hope against hope. As my sister says, we are blowing 483 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 5: on the embers of hope. 484 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 3: We also know that. 485 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 5: She may be lost, She may already be gone. She 486 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 5: may have already gone home to the Lord that she 487 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 5: loves and is dancing in heaven with her mom and 488 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 5: her dad and with her beloved brother Peers, and with 489 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 5: our daddy. And if this is what is to be, 490 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 5: then we will accept it. 491 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: I agree with Dave mac I don't think they should 492 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: release that hung Why release it? 493 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 4: That these prosecutors are our new sets of eyes. 494 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 7: This could be part of a good process that we 495 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 7: don't know about. 496 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 5: What is to be, then we will accept it. 497 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: A group of mothers now searching for Nancy Guthrie. Their 498 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: search extends to Mexico. We understand the FBI has contacted 499 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 2: Mexican authorities. Are they doing anything to help find Nancy Guthrie? 500 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 3: What's the likelihood she was. 501 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 2: Taken to Mexico, and none other better to discuss that 502 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: than Eric Drickerson joining US and Brian Fitzgibbons. Drickerson to you, 503 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: former FBI special agent twenty years specializing in international kidnappings, 504 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: who supervised the FBI and the Mexican US border, what 505 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: do you think about that? 506 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 4: I reached out to my sources at the Attorney General's 507 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 4: office in the state of Sonora, Mexico, which borders Arizona, 508 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 4: and they confirmed with me that the FBI has in 509 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 4: fact approached them and asked for their assistance. They also 510 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 4: stated that based on their initial investigations, they had no 511 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 4: indications or no evidence that the Nancy Guthrie entered Mexico 512 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 4: across the US Mexico border. It's also relevant to understand 513 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 4: that this case Mexico, we coordinate with Mexico, the US 514 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 4: law enforcement in the US and the FBI coordinates with 515 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 4: Mexican regular basis at the border. They in fact, they 516 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 4: have a team called the Border Liaison Team. That this 517 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 4: is what they do as normal, as a part of 518 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 4: their normal protocol when we have a crime of this 519 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 4: nature that occurs so close to the border. Now, while 520 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 4: this is a kidnapping that occurred in Mexico in the 521 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 4: United States. In Mexico, they would have to investigate this 522 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 4: simply as a missing person case, so they would use resources, 523 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 4: and they have ample experience in resources and working kidnapping cases. 524 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 4: I imagine that they've queried some of their cross border cameras, 525 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 4: some of their law enforcement. They've done what we call 526 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 4: a welfare and whereabouts check, where they would check hospitals 527 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 4: and morgues and things of that nature to ensure that 528 00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 4: what they're providing is accurate. 529 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: To this, say Eric, I'm trying to keep up with you, 530 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 2: but I'm like drinking from the fire hydrant too much 531 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 2: to fast in order. 532 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 3: What would they. 533 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 2: Be doing to try to financey Guthrie in order in Mexico. 534 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 4: Well, first thing they would do is they would contact 535 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 4: Mexican authorities to request their assistance. What that would look 536 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 4: like is would they would contact their liaison officials across 537 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 4: the border and ask them to do several checks, including 538 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 4: border crossings, maybe some welfare whereabouts checks, which might include 539 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 4: checking hospitals, checking the morgue, checking other resources that they 540 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 4: have at their disposal. 541 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 2: What do you mean by other resources hospitals, morgues, what else? 542 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 4: Possibly jails. There's a normal protocol that they use, which 543 00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 4: is usually involves jails, hospitals, and the morgue to check 544 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 4: and see if there's any evidence at those locations that 545 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 4: she would be what would be president one of those locations. Secondly, 546 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 4: they would also request that Mexican authorities participate in the investigation, 547 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 4: and that is start to maintain some type of be 548 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 4: on the lookout protocols that may activate some of their 549 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 4: resources like cameras or some of their source intelligence that 550 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 4: could identify whether or not she crossed the border. But 551 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 4: they did confirm Mexican authorities did confirm that she is 552 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 4: not president in Mexico or there was no evidence that 553 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 4: she crossed the border into Mexico. 554 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 2: When you say you look for source intelligence, what does 555 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 2: that mean snitches? 556 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,919 Speaker 4: Basically, yeah, human intelligence in other words, people that would 557 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 4: be reporting having seen her. 558 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 2: So I'm trying to figure out the most likely crossing 559 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 2: if you're coming from Nancy Guthrie's home would be where, well, 560 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 2: it would be one. 561 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 4: Of the ports of entry. What's the closest one in proximity. 562 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 4: I believe it's Nogiles, Noalls, Mexico, And the FBI actually 563 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 4: has we have presence in Mexico, so we do have 564 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 4: an agent stationed in I see the FBI has an 565 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 4: agent stationed in the state of Sonora. So through that 566 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 4: agent and through these border liaison supervisors, they are coordinating 567 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 4: with Mexican officials to follow up on this case. 568 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 3: It kind of feels like a needle in a haystack. 569 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 2: To Brian Fitzgibbons, USPA Nationwide Security, who has done extractions 570 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 2: from Mexico, You've got this group of moms saying they 571 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 2: felt they had to quote step in to look for 572 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 2: Nancy because local authorities are doing nothing to find her there. 573 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, you know, well, that's honorable. 574 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 7: As I've mentioned before, I think anything that happens in Mexico, 575 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 7: the first and primary actor is going to be the 576 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 7: US federal government, their sources, their diplomatic ties to Mexican authorities, 577 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 7: and as Eric mentioned, their source intelligence network is going 578 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 7: to be the primary mover there. This is a noble 579 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 7: effort by this group of moms and certainly shouldn't be discounted, 580 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 7: but the primary force if missus Guthrie is in Mexico 581 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 7: will be the US federal government. 582 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the 583 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 2: disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. Please dial toll free eight hundred 584 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 2: two two five five three two four eight hundred, call 585 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 2: fb I, or if you wish to remain anonymous, five 586 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 2: two zero eight eight two seven four six y three 587 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 2: repeat five two zero eight eight two seven four six 588 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 2: y three. 589 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 3: There is a one point. 590 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 2: Two plus million dollar reward about a million and a 591 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 2: quarter dollar reward for information leading to the whereabouts of 592 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie. It does not require an arrest or conviction 593 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 2: of the perpetrator. We remember an American hero trooper, Joel 594 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 2: Pop Michigan State Police, killed in the line of duty 595 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 2: after four years on the force, leaving behind a wife 596 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 2: now widow, and a daughter sentenced to life without her father. 597 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:07,240 Speaker 2: American hero Trooper Joel Pop. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,