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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the Wednesday edition of d Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show. The shutdown has come to a shutdown,

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Speaker 1: I guess, or they've unshut it down.

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Speaker 2: So that's good.

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Speaker 1: That's something that we can certainly have a moment of, well,

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Speaker 1: if not satisfaction over, we can definitely look at each

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Speaker 1: other and say, what the heck was that about? And

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Speaker 1: we're going to do that. Also got some discussion underway

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Speaker 1: after appearances by the President himself and also his Secretary

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Speaker 1: of Homeland Security on H one B visas on immigration,

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Speaker 1: some interesting points coming across, particularly in an interview with

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Speaker 1: Trump and Fox News's Laura Ingraham. We will have those discussions.

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Speaker 1: We've also got hopefully an end to the flight delays

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Speaker 1: or pretty close to an end of the flight delays here,

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Speaker 1: so that's going on. That is certainly a good thing.

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Speaker 1: A Secretary of War, not to be confused with Secretary

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Speaker 1: of Defense, heg Seth has some thoughts about the reformation

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Speaker 1: of some of the military that he has put into effect,

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Speaker 1: and we will discuss that too. But Clay, I want

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Speaker 1: to start with this. Stephen Miller had some thoughts to

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Speaker 1: share on the Democrat shutdown. The White House is own

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Speaker 1: Stephen Miller. This is what he has to say, Play eleven.

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Speaker 2: It was worse than pointless.

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Speaker 3: It was cruel, It was capricious, It was dangerous, It

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Speaker 3: was radical, It was extreme. The Democrats shut down the

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Speaker 3: government in a failed attempt to extort one point five

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Speaker 3: trillion dollars for their pet projects, including, as has long

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Speaker 3: been documented in Black and White, full funding for healthcare

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Speaker 3: leagal aliens for several.

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Speaker 2: Hundred billions of dollars.

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Speaker 3: They resulted in, as a consuluence their shutdown, massive flight

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Speaker 3: delays for the American people, huge impacts on public safety, federal.

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Speaker 2: Workers going without pay, people.

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Speaker 3: Who are living paycheck to paycheck, not being able to

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Speaker 3: make ends meet. This was a Democrat sabotage of the

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Speaker 3: Trump economy.

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Speaker 1: It was clay, and it was used to try to

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Speaker 1: get maximum turnout result on election day. And Democrats did

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Speaker 1: have good results, unfortunately in those elections. But it was

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Speaker 1: deeply cynical. It was destructive, and I hope that the

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Speaker 1: American people, who are open to the evidence of their

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Speaker 1: own eyes and ears, will remember the madness that was

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Speaker 1: inflicted upon us for a month by Democrats pouting and

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Speaker 1: demanding that they get their way, and it was outrageous.

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Speaker 4: Do you think it's a test potentially for twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 4: In other words, are they trying to look at the

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Speaker 4: numbers that came out in Virginia and New Jersey and say,

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Speaker 4: if we're shutting down the government, does the idea that

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Speaker 4: there's chaos work against Trump? Is there a larger game

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Speaker 4: plan here? We know that they gained nothing essentially from

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Speaker 4: this shutdown, but going forward, did they learn something that

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Speaker 4: they want to apply? Is there any resonance here or

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Speaker 4: is this just going to vanish? They're already moving on.

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Speaker 4: I'm watching the news stories right now. They're not even

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Speaker 4: discussing anything having to do with the shutdown. They've moved

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Speaker 4: on to emails and Epstein and everything else there, which

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Speaker 4: they're trying to turn into a story to connect Trump

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Speaker 4: to Epstein. And they've been trying to do this for

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Speaker 4: years candidly. But so is the what is the takeaway?

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Speaker 4: Right you go into a game, you lose. They lost.

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Speaker 4: Did they test anything, did they learn anything? It's just

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Speaker 4: so dumb and ineffective that a part of me thinks

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Speaker 4: there has to be a larger strategic comparative in play

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Speaker 4: here than just we shut down everything for forty three

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Speaker 4: days and now everything is fine.

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Speaker 1: Well, if we look at cut twelve here for a

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Speaker 1: second Clay, this is Hakeem Jeffries, and he is saying

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Speaker 1: the following about where House Democrats stand on this play twelve.

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Speaker 5: House Democrats will strongly oppose any legislation that does not

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Speaker 5: decisively address the Republican health care crisis. We want to

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Speaker 5: reopen the government. We'll continue to stand by our hard

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Speaker 5: working federal employees and civil servants. But we have a

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Speaker 5: responsibility to make sure that we extend the Affordable Care

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Speaker 5: Act tax credits so that tens of millions of Americans

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Speaker 5: don't experience dramatically increase health care costs that's going to

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Speaker 5: prevent them from being able to see a doctor when

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Speaker 5: they need one.

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Speaker 1: Let's unpack this a little bit for second Clay, the

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Speaker 1: Republican healthcare crisis. Okay, let's really look at the facts here.

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Speaker 1: The facts are as follows. The Democrats during COVID put

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Speaker 1: in place a multi multi billion dollar temporary all agreed

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Speaker 1: that it was temporary at the time, basically win fall

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Speaker 1: for Obamacare exchanges. It's gonna throw billions of dollars into

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Speaker 1: a on a temporary basis. And now we have come

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Speaker 1: to a point where the Democrats under Schumer earlier this

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Speaker 1: year agreed to spending levels without those temporary billions in subsidies.

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Speaker 1: But then they say, you know what, they're not really temporary.

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Speaker 1: We want them forever, and we're going to shut down

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Speaker 1: the government. And this is a Republican problem. I mean

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Speaker 1: that is, I think when people look at what has

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Speaker 1: incredibly dishonest, which is not a surprise to any of us.

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Speaker 1: But they really don't have a leg to stand on

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Speaker 1: other than line about what's really happened here.

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Speaker 4: Also, this is reflective of everything that is in any

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Speaker 4: way not permanent.

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Speaker 6: If you end it is.

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Speaker 4: Described as a cut right like, the reality is this

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Speaker 4: was a temporary program that was for its entire existence

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Speaker 4: predicated on the idea that it would not exist forever

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Speaker 4: as soon as the temporary program runs out. And the

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Speaker 4: reason why it was temporary program, buck is they didn't

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Speaker 4: want to have the cost tallied for decades into the

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Speaker 4: future of just how expensive this was going to be

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Speaker 4: as soon as that temporary program runs out. A decision

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Speaker 4: not to continue with the temporary program is seen as

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Speaker 4: a cut. The big flaw here that is, I think

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Speaker 4: becoming increasingly clear to so many Americans of all different backgrounds,

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Speaker 4: is the healthcare industry is broken. And the idea that

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Speaker 4: by subsidizing healthcare insurance you're going to help with health

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Speaker 4: care costs, I think has been proven to be frankly

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Speaker 4: one wrong. And all it is done is inflated the

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Speaker 4: bureaucracy of the healthcare insurance companies and given them way money.

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Speaker 4: Obamacare is just a big giveaway to the healthcare insurance industry.

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Speaker 4: And we talked about this some earlier this week and

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Speaker 4: last week, but I do think it's significant that if

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Speaker 4: you pulled the Americans and you said what companies do

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Speaker 4: you hate the most dealing with in America? Don't you

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Speaker 4: think healthcare insurance would be number one overall?

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Speaker 6: Right now? Buck?

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Speaker 4: If you asked Americans, hey, what for profit industry out

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Speaker 4: there that you have to deal with on a regular

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Speaker 4: basis do you hate the most? I don't even think

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Speaker 4: there's a close second. I think it's the healthcare insurance companies,

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Speaker 4: and unlike car insurance, which is frustrating, but as these

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Speaker 4: self driving cars come on, the market. I actually think

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Speaker 4: the overall cost of car insurance is going to plummet.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you can argue as we move into more

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Speaker 4: that that's one where you look at that you say, oh,

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Speaker 4: the amount of money that we're having to spend on

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Speaker 4: I'm optimistic that that could occur. The problem with healthcare

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Speaker 4: insurance is we're getting more and more older people in

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Speaker 4: the country, and the amount of healthcare that you need

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Speaker 4: skyrockets as you age, and so I don't see any

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Speaker 4: way that this is going to get better. And really,

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Speaker 4: the only way healthcare works, the only way healthcare insurance

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Speaker 4: works is if there are tons of young people who

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Speaker 4: basically never need insurance that are paying for older people

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Speaker 4: who do need insurance. I was meeting with a healthcare

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Speaker 4: industry guy recently, buck and he said, Hey, we got

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Speaker 4: killed in our company. He said, how do you think

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Speaker 4: we got killed in the company recently? And I said,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. He said, we had people going out

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Speaker 4: and signing up young people. What is the one thing

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Speaker 4: that could crush you If you're a health insurance company

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Speaker 4: and you're signing up young people, pregnant women because the

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Speaker 4: cost of having a baby is high, and so somehow

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Speaker 4: the cost of these insurance companies pregnant women all got

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Speaker 4: and that's basically for young people.

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Speaker 6: For people under the age of thirty five.

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Speaker 4: The only way under forty the only way that these

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Speaker 4: health insurance companies really get hit is when they have

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Speaker 4: expensive when people have kids. Otherwise, most people putting money

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Speaker 4: benefit from that. The problem is now we have way

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Speaker 1: This is where you see the problem lies. It's all

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Speaker 1: about hiding what's really going on from people so that

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Speaker 1: they can't understand where the money is being spent and

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Speaker 1: what their role in this whole system is. Because if

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Speaker 1: you buy insurance as an individual, something like seventy percent

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Speaker 1: they estimate clay of the people who buy insurance on

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Speaker 1: the individual marketplace, right, so not company subsidized, which is

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Speaker 1: a whole other component of this. Seventy percent of them

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Speaker 1: said that if without the billions in subsidies from the government,

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Speaker 6: Why is that right?

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Speaker 1: Why are the individual marketplaces so very expensive? Why is

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Speaker 1: it that people keep seeing their premiums going up year

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Speaker 1: after year. It's not insurance. If you are young and healthy,

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Speaker 1: you are forced into this system. And when I say young,

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Speaker 1: I mean relatively young, thirties, forties, fifties. You are forced

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Speaker 6: Now, if that's what we have to do as a society.

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Speaker 1: That's one thing, but we at least need to have

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Speaker 4: Well, and I may be I think there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of people around my age that kind of are in

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Speaker 4: more about just having catastrophic protection. It's highly unlikely that

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Speaker 4: you're going to have a catastrophic health issue. We hope

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Speaker 4: in the same way that I bet you, Buck have

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Speaker 4: taken out life insurance now that you have a baby.

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Speaker 4: A lot of dads and moms out there, when they

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Speaker 4: case scenario happens to me? Highly unlikely? The insurance companies

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Speaker 4: concerned about catastrophic issues, particularly when you're in your forties,

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Speaker 4: your thirties, your twenties, and that isn't actually that expensive

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Speaker 4: in the grand scheme of things. But the problem is,

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Speaker 4: again that's just a math equation. We don't have enough

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Speaker 4: young people to deal with what people in their sixties

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Speaker 4: and seventies are going to be costing for health care.

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Speaker 4: Here's another part of this, Buck that very few people

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Speaker 4: talk about. Probably fifty percent of the medical coverage that

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Speaker 4: unnecessary because doctors are afraid of being sued and so

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Speaker 4: they don't think that you need that MRI. They don't

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Speaker 4: ahead and check the box because if they get sued

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Speaker 4: and something really wrong, something is really wrong with you,

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Speaker 4: gave as much standard of care as we could, not

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Speaker 4: To your point, buck. We could potentially save hundreds of

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Speaker 1: I think what's interesting is that there's in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: They want us to talk about some new Epstein email

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Speaker 6: We've been over this. I do not believe.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think the way to think about it is this,

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Speaker 1: Very obvious to me. So let's actually get back to

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Speaker 6: That's what happened.

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Speaker 1: Now something else has been pointed out Clay by some people.

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Speaker 1: like their health insurance. It's about sixty six percent. So

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a little bit of nuance here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, the complicating factor, I've got so many of all this.

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Speaker 1: It's a big issue with a lot of things. People

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Speaker 1: are frustrated by the system. That's true, But keep going.

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Speaker 6: I'll let you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, my thing on it is, there are

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Speaker 4: so many parts of it that need to be remedied.

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Speaker 4: For instance, a lot of people have no idea how

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Speaker 4: much their healthcare plans cost that they get from their companies.

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Speaker 6: It's not taxed.

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Speaker 4: And if you told the average person, hey, did you

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Speaker 4: know your healthcare is costing thirty thousand dollars a year,

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Speaker 4: Let's just toss that out there as can be the

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Speaker 4: case for you and your family. Do you think that

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Speaker 4: if you got that money yourself as income and you

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Speaker 4: were then able to go out and shop for the

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Speaker 4: best health care coverage for you and your family, A

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Speaker 4: lot of people would say, I'd rather have the thirty

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars in extra income and be able to make

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Speaker 4: a decision for me and my family. My point on it,

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Speaker 4: Buck is we have basically eliminated the market from health care.

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Speaker 4: And when you eliminate the market from health care, what

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Speaker 4: do you end up with a broken system because nobody

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Speaker 4: can make a rational decision by and large for they

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Speaker 4: and their family as to what they actually need that

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Speaker 4: fits their families needs.

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Speaker 1: So I do think this even ties in for those

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Speaker 1: who like their current insurance. And I will tell you

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Speaker 1: that my approach to this in Miami Beach, where there's

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Speaker 1: a lot more of this stuff than I've ever seen before,

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Speaker 1: is to pay for things that I can pay for

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Speaker 1: healthcare wise out of the just do that. Now, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't work when you're having a baby, right, So we've

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Speaker 1: been getting all these crazy bills and all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I have insurance, but we got a baby. They

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Speaker 1: didn't cover this, they cover that, They didn't cover this,

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Speaker 1: but for day to day. And I'm not saying this

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Speaker 1: is for everybody, because is obviously expensive and people have

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Speaker 1: they have their concerns about their their budgets. But a

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of medicine is just going to

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Speaker 1: go more. Just I'll pay for this, Just get it

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Speaker 1: to me, don't make me wait in a room for

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Speaker 1: an hour, don't make me fill out all this paperwork before, after,

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Speaker 1: and during. So that's one part of this. But people

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Speaker 1: on their insurance plans that they like, there are all

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Speaker 1: of these subsidies that exist. You mentioned that your employer

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Speaker 1: gets this on a preferential basis. Employers, especially large employers,

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Speaker 1: have more bargaining power get better plans. Where you see

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Speaker 1: the real pain of the system is people who are

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Speaker 1: earning a living, who are on the Individual Exchange, who

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Speaker 1: are not in medicaid, and who are trying to make

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Speaker 1: that's where all of a sudden, the premiums go crazy

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Speaker 1: and everything else, because that's the first place. That is,

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Speaker 1: if you will, the canary in the coal mine or

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Speaker 1: the camel's nose in the tent, pick your preferred That's

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Speaker 1: why everyone is seeing those crazy increases place. So to

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Speaker 1: your point, a lot of people like what they've got

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Speaker 1: because they're actually sheltered from the realities of the healthcare

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Speaker 1: system totally.

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Speaker 4: And as you age, your healthcare expenditure is going to

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Speaker 4: skyrocket on average, and the healthcare companies know it. And

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Speaker 4: this is again, all we have done is broken the

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Speaker 4: marketplace and subsidized the broken marketplace, which breaks the marketplace

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Speaker 4: that much more. And to me, the only way we

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Speaker 4: can solve healthcare in this country is to give consumers choices,

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Speaker 4: as we do in every other product. Yeah, everybody doesn't

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Speaker 4: drive the same car, everybody doesn't buy the same groceries.

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Speaker 6: It's a product.

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Speaker 4: Healthcare is a product, and people can make rational choices,

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Speaker 4: and we don't allow that.

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Speaker 1: I'm also gonna just point this out, and I have

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Speaker 1: doctor friends who listen to this show. They're great doctors,

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Speaker 1: and their crappy doctors, and that's always going to be

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Speaker 1: the case, having a little card that says you're covered

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're getting the even if the procedure

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Speaker 1: is covered.

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Speaker 6: Right, there's all this.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about a vast system of goods and services

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Speaker 1: within healthcare, and people need to be understanding or need

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Speaker 1: to be advocating for themselves within that system and being proactive.

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Speaker 1: I think that our system of healthcare Clay. We're sheltered

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Speaker 1: from the call. We're not even allowed to know the costs.

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Speaker 1: We're not allowed and it prevents people from being more

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Speaker 1: proactive and figuring out look. I mean, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: guys this. One of the reasons that I went on

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Speaker 1: my health journey and I've got my supplements and everything else,

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Speaker 1: is my blood sugar started to get a little high

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Speaker 1: on a blood test and not like high enough what

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Speaker 1: it was alarm bells. But you know, it's one of

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Speaker 1: these things where I don't want to be thinking about

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Speaker 1: type two diabetes in ten or fifteen years. If I

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Speaker 1: can avoid it, I want to start doing more. So

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Speaker 1: you know, you really had to kick it into high

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Speaker 1: gear and work on some things. People are led to

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Speaker 1: believe you go to the doctor when you're sick, you

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Speaker 1: have a magic little card where everything's going to be

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Speaker 1: paid for. And this is the wrong approach. This is

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Speaker 1: the wrong approach financially, it's the wrong approach as policy,

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Speaker 1: and it's the wrong approach for individual's health. Think about this,

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Speaker 1: and I know that a bunch of you have probably

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Speaker 1: done it. If you have to get a knee replacement

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Speaker 1: or a hip replacement, you can travel to Europe. You

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Speaker 1: can travel and pay out a pocket, and still it

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Speaker 1: can be infinitely cheaper.

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Speaker 4: Than what it costs in the United States. You read

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Speaker 4: some of these stories, people can decide, Hey, I want

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Speaker 4: to go on a European vacation for three weeks, and

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Speaker 4: some of you have looked into this, and I'm going

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Speaker 4: to stay in an incredible for profit hospital that focuses

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Speaker 4: on giving treatments to Americans, and the cost of the

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Speaker 4: procedures that you get there in Sparkling, brand new, exquisite

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Speaker 4: facilities when you're paying out a pocket, are better than

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Speaker 4: the options you have in the United States. I would

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Speaker 4: submit to you that's a function of a broken marketplace.

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Speaker 4: And again I come back to it over and over again.

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Speaker 4: But they can't tell you what anything costs. Name something

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Speaker 4: else you buy that you choose that you have no

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Speaker 4: idea what it costs. It doesn't exist in any other America.

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Speaker 1: There's a doctor's office that's very near to where I

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Speaker 1: live here in Miami Clay where they actually do a

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Speaker 1: lot of these injections for women for like faced botox

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff or whatever. Yep, and you walk into

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Speaker 1: the You walk into that place, and you know they're

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Speaker 1: given like free massages, champagne. There's gentle music there in

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Speaker 1: the background. Yes, because they're competing. They want women to

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Speaker 1: come in there and spend out of pocket. Mind you,

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Speaker 1: I don't even I don't know. I have not gotten.

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Speaker 4: Botox as olders. But it's actually a sign of a

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Speaker 4: competitive marketplace creating a better option for consumer when it

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Speaker 4: comes to, you know, the cost.

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Speaker 6: They compete for your business.

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Speaker 1: But I want to go into like a local clinic

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Speaker 1: here because I think I have, you know, an ear

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Speaker 1: infection or something. It's it's pandemonium, it's weights, it's where's

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Speaker 1: your insurance?

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Speaker 6: Oh, we don't take that anymore.

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Speaker 5: We all.

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Speaker 1: Once you've seen this and experienced this, it becomes very

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Speaker 1: apparent and very clear. I think this is why this

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Speaker 1: matters everyone, not just because the Democrats have lied to

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Speaker 1: you about the shutdown, and we don't want to let

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Speaker 1: them get away with that.

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Speaker 6: They're lying, They've made a mess of all this.

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Speaker 1: Obamacare is an absolute Obamacare is a failure top to bottom,

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Speaker 1: a failure. That's one big part of this. But also

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Speaker 1: Clay Trump and the Republicans need to get it together

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Speaker 1: for these midterms with ideas to make the healthcare system better.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to be like the border where he

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Speaker 1: fixes it in thirty days, but we need to have

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Speaker 1: some plans to make this better. We'll also talk about immigration,

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Speaker 1: by the way, coming up here in the next hour,

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Speaker 1: because some very interesting stuff happening there and people are

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Speaker 1: asking questions about what's going on with policy and this

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Speaker 1: White House.

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Speaker 6: So we'll discuss that.

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Speaker 4: variety of different topics out there. I saw this and

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Speaker 4: we could have some fun with it.

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Speaker 4: Charlotte Mage, the god fellow iHeartRadio employee, says that Jasmine

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Speaker 4: Crockett is a phenomenal messenger and should be used more

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Speaker 4: frequently by the Democrat Party, to which I would soundly

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Speaker 4: and roundly agree. We'll have some fun with that.

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Speaker 1: I want I want Jasmine Crockett elevated, and I want

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Speaker 1: Sonny Houston to be the chief strategist for the Democrats

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: I think they're wasting their talents. It would be racist

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Speaker 4: and sexist if you did not take advantage of the

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Speaker 4: talents of these profoundly successful, brilliant women inside of the party.

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Speaker 4: I just put up a poll question Buck, that we

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Speaker 4: can have some fun with this too. Today, the last

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Speaker 4: pennies are being produced, that is, the one cent coin

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Speaker 4: is basically being phased out. Trump came in and said

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Speaker 4: the penny doesn't make sense, it costs more than to

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Speaker 4: produce it. Should we eliminate all coins? This may be

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Speaker 4: stepping into this, making it like when I went after

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Speaker 4: flute players.

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Speaker 1: I'm a hard yes on this one, Producer, Greg, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get We're gonna give you a minute. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he's by the mic in NYC or if

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Speaker 1: he wants to just do a talkback or whatever. He

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Speaker 1: seems like he's not down for And I want to

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Speaker 1: why would anyone want there to still be pennies?

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Speaker 8: I need to have currency for every person. Because you

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Speaker 8: eliminate the penny, you eliminate the nickel. That's the It's

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Speaker 8: the first step on the slippery slope to getting rid

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Speaker 8: of all currency, and then everything can be tracked by

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Speaker 8: the government.

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Speaker 6: All the time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm I'm with you on the digital dollar thing,

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Speaker 1: Producer Greg, so that you're i'm with you on that.

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Speaker 6: But pennies, when was the last time you used a penny?

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Speaker 4: You'd be surprised how much jangling coins does producer Greg

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Speaker 4: have in his pocket right now, just jangling around, weighing

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Speaker 4: down his pants, dragging him down. I'm with you, Buck,

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Speaker 4: I think we should eliminate all coins. I don't think

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Speaker 4: there should be coin currency anymore.

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Speaker 1: That may be it's gonna be a scorching hot take

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Speaker 1: that we didn't expect to be scorching.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we may get fired up, we get attacked on

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Speaker 6: this one, But we're right,