1 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back another edition of the 2 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra podcast. 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, sometime during the day, depending on when 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: you listen. 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: April twenty seventh, the year of our lower twenty eleven. 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: It's a big day for a lot of people in 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: the South. It's very important day, very humbling day. I 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: wanted to actually talk about that a little bit later on, 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: but let's get to the happy stuff first. Happy to 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: have you with me. 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: Happy. 12 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: We can do this podcast couple of times a week. 13 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: It's all Q and A on Tuesdays and Thursdays. It's 14 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: all mail bag and you can reach out with any 15 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: college football question or any other question. Maybe or maybe 16 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: I won't be able to answer them, but you can 17 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,959 Speaker 1: hit me with them. Josh pat seven zero six at 18 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: gmail dot com, or you can DM me on Twitter 19 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: or Instagram at late Kickjosh. We've got really good numbers 20 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I mean I started that thing literally a 21 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: month and a half ago. Really, I started taking it 22 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: seriously a month and a half ago. We're up over 23 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 1: three thousand, and we really want to grow that one. 24 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the one Twitter obviously, that's a main stay, 25 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: but you want to follow the Instagram account because there's 26 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: stuff on there that you won't get on Twitter. And 27 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: there's stuff on the Instagram account you won't even be 28 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: getting on the shows or on the podcast during the season, 29 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: just really really good stuff. I can't wait to show you. 30 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: I'd much rather show you than waste any more time 31 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: telling you. So at Late Kick, Josh, that's where you 32 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: want to follow. And remember, I mean, we don't have 33 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: an advertising budget. When I say this, I know since 34 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: we work at CBS twenty four to seven, you think 35 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: we got a big advertising budget. 36 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: Well they do, but this show doesn't. 37 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: You are our advertising department, you are our marketing department. 38 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: The entire success of this show really depends on and 39 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: thrives on the word of mouth. You know, when you 40 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: guys retweet stuff, when you guys talk about the show 41 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: and your Instagram story, stuff like that. I try and 42 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: share as many of them as I can. That's the 43 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: biggest help. So that's what I appreciate the most. We 44 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: got a loaded mail bag this morning. We're going to 45 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: go a number of different directions, and I don't really 46 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: see any reason why we shouldn't dive in right now. 47 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: So let's start it off. Chris says, I got a 48 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: hot take for you. I want to hear your opinion. 49 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: I live in Ohio, in the middle of Big Ten country. 50 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm three hours from Columbus, hour and a half from NAR, 51 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: about two hours from East Lansing. 52 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: Is it just me? 53 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: Or is the Big Ten quickly becoming what the ACC 54 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: is currently in terms of having one team miles ahead 55 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: of everyone else. Well, Chris, I think the short answer 56 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: there is yes, it is that. In fact, I think 57 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: the Big Ten this year and perhaps moving forward we'll 58 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: see is more ACC then the ACC will be at 59 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: this point moving forward. Now, obviously, what we're talking about 60 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: here is the rise of Clemson in the ACC was 61 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: great for Clemson. There's an argument out there. You can 62 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: tell me what you think about this, actually think along 63 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: with me here. So do you think Clemson has been 64 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: good or bad for the ACC? You can ask the 65 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: same question about Alabama, but not necessarily because other teams 66 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: have had success. In fact, other teams in the SEC 67 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: have won championships in the midst of the sabing run. 68 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: But there is nothing happening in the ACC or hasn't been, 69 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: at least while Clemson has been on this run. So 70 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: do you think it's been good for the ACC. Now 71 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: here's my answer. My answer is yo, So I want 72 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: to mix yes and no. It's been good for the 73 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: conference's profile, I guess because I don't think you've heard 74 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: anyone say the ACC is the weakest conference in college football. 75 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: They've said that about the PAC twelve, well past the 76 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: top at various points. What's been the difference. Nothing past 77 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: the top has been the difference, that's the answer. Clemson 78 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 1: has been the face, and then underneath it's it's really 79 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of nothing. It has been now this year, 80 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: I don't think it is anymore. In fact, I think 81 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: you're starting to see in the ACC the longer term 82 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: ramifications of having a powerhouse. Initially the powerhouse program can 83 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: choke off the lifeblood of the rest of the conference. 84 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: We've seen that with Clemson. I don't think that lasts forever, though. 85 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: There's just an adjustment period. 86 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: Now. 87 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: In the SEC, they took football a lot more seriously, 88 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: So the adjustment happened quicker. I mean Nick Saban got 89 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: to Alabama won a title in O nine. The next year, 90 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: Cam Newton won a title at Auburn, and the ACC 91 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: maybe it's taken a little bit longer. But if you 92 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: look at what North Carolina is doing now, if you 93 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: look at what Florida State's doing now, if you look 94 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: at what Miami's doing right now, they're not ready. Well, 95 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: the latter two may not be ready to compete with 96 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: Clemson yet. Maybe North Carolina is. I'm going to talk 97 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: about them a lot more on Late Kick Live this Thursday. 98 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: Maybe they are. 99 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: But my point is there is a response happening. There's 100 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: a resurgence happening in the ACC, and it's because everyone 101 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: has their collective vision on one program. Well, in the 102 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: Big Ten they have that too. The only difference is 103 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: they're not as far along. Ohio State is not as 104 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: far along in choking out the life of the entire 105 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: conference to the degree that Clemson did in the ACC. 106 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: But I think it's on its way to happening. I mean, 107 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: if you look around right now, which roster do you 108 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: look at and say that roster's within a year a 109 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: year and a half of challenging Ohio State. 110 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: I'm not saying they can't. 111 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: Be beaten, but where if we're talking about programs, there 112 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: is no program remotely close right now, and I'm not 113 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: really sure. I look at any one up there and 114 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: say they're on their way. Twofold are the reasons here? 115 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: Number one is no one up there is recruiting at 116 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: a top five level aside from Ohio State. And number two, 117 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: Ohio State's not slowing down. If anything, they're widening the gap. 118 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, Chris, I do worry about that. I worry 119 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: about that for the Big Ten, but I also worry 120 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: about that just for the overall sport of college football. 121 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: And again, I'm not one of these people who believes 122 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: all these regulations need to be put in place to 123 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: make sure big bad Ohio State or Alabama or Oklahoma 124 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: or whoever Clemson that they don't run away. It's not 125 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: a regulator's job, like it's not college football's job collectively 126 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: to make sure no one gets too good. It's your job. 127 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: It's your job at Penn State, it's your job at Wisconsin, Clemson. 128 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: It's your job at Well not Clemson, they're doing a 129 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: good job at that. It's your job at North Carolina. 130 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: That's why I'm I'm making such a point to emphasize 131 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: North Carolina. They're answering the bell. 132 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 2: Notice. 133 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: Year one, Mac Brown walked in and they had to 134 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: play Clems in year one, they took him down to 135 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: the wire. They were a two point conversion away from 136 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: beating Clemson. They never flinched. They didn't have a they 137 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: didn't have a fraction of the roster talent wise that 138 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: Clemson did. They never flinched. And since then, what have 139 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: they done. They've gotten better through recruiting. They don't care 140 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,559 Speaker 1: they're not Clemson. They know they're not. But they're also 141 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: understanding that they control it through proper hiring, through good recruiting, 142 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: through good development, not taking shortcut and building things the 143 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: right way. They control it just like Michigan controls Michigan. 144 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: They control how why that gap is Ohio State. They're 145 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: controlling themselves and they don't even care about anyone else. Alabama, 146 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: they control themselves. They don't even care about anyone else. 147 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: It's up to you. 148 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: LSU was able to do it in twenty nineteen, Auburn 149 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: was able to do it for a little while. No 150 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: one has been able to sustain it like Alabama has. 151 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: We'll see if anyone's able to sustain it like Clemson has. 152 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: We'll see if anyone's able to sustain it like Ohio 153 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: State has. My point is they did it, and it 154 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: wasn't the system. It wasn't the machine that's built in 155 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: their favor. Let me tell you something. If you are Michigan, 156 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: if you are Georgia, if you are Texas, I got 157 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: news for you. Any machine that is built to benefit 158 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: Ohio State or Alabama or Clemson, it's also built to 159 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: benefit you. The difference is they've taken advantage of it, 160 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: and you've dropped the ball completely to varying degrees. And 161 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: so the question is not, well, is Ohio State bad 162 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: for the sport? Is Alabama bad for the sport? I 163 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: would ask the follow what I would ask, is everyone 164 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: else dropping the ball bad for the sport? And my 165 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: answer would be yes, hire correctly, get the right ad 166 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: in place, get the right infrastructure in place, don't try 167 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: and do it in a microwave in fifteen seconds, and 168 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: crazy things can happen. Magical things can happen. Caleb is 169 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: next up with the tremendous work he's done to turn 170 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: around Oklahoma's defense over the last couple of years. US 171 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: Sooner fans are going to have to come to terms 172 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: with the fact that Alex Grinch, defensive coordinator is going 173 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: to get some good head coaching offers in the coming years. 174 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: If and when he leaves to be a head guy somewhere, 175 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: there will be a major drop off or will there 176 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: Do you think that there will be a major drop 177 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: off or do you think the much improved culture has 178 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: already been instilled in the program. 179 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: And that's from Caleb. 180 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: Caleb, I don't necessarily know, So let me slow down 181 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: a second. I think you're right, just like Brent Venables 182 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: at Clemson. I think you're right that the offers are 183 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: going to be there. Now here's what I don't know. 184 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of guy Alex Grinch is 185 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: in that sense, because Brent Venables is a guy, as 186 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: we can clearly see now he's still at Clemson who 187 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: did not jump at the first offer. You can just 188 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: as EASi leave from the same program. Look at guys 189 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: like Chad Morris who did jump when SMU came calling. 190 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: They did jump. So it's to each his own. If 191 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: Alex Grinch is what much more of a Chad Morris, 192 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: then yeah, he's going to be gone probably after this year. 193 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: Dan Lanning is another guy at Georgia who is in 194 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: this boat. He's got some offers probably coming his way. 195 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: But here's the important thing to remember. Those guys, Dan 196 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: Lanning at Georgia or Alex Grinch at Oklahoma, they are 197 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: coaching under very important people, not just because of who 198 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: the names are. But think about what Kirby Smart represents, 199 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: and think about what Lincoln Riley represents. 200 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 2: Think about what they have in common. 201 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: Those are guys who are first time head coaches at 202 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: their current jobs. Lincoln Riley wasn't at Tulsa before he 203 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: got the job. Kirby wasn't at Georgia State before he 204 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: got that job. Their first head coaching jobs were perennial, powerhouse, 205 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: Tier one caliber programs. Well, I wonder if Alex Grinch 206 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: looks at that there was a time where Lincoln Riley 207 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: was a hot shot coordinator. I wonder if Dan Lanning 208 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: looks at Smart, because there was a time Kirby Smart 209 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: was a hot shot coordinator and they were in demand 210 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: and their first jobs were major jobs. And so now 211 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: what do you do if you're Alex Grinch, You're getting 212 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: paid very handsomely. Brint Venables same, you're being paid very handsomely. 213 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: Britt Venables has already kind of answered this question. We 214 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: got to get the answer from grinch. Is he going 215 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: to be a guy who just bides his time and 216 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: he waits for the opportune position to come open, or 217 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: is he a guy who's going to jump at the 218 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: first offer that comes available. I don't know. It remains 219 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: to be seen. But the second part of this question, 220 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: is there going to be a huge drop off? I'm 221 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: not so sure. I would expect a huge drop off. 222 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: Number one, because recruiting has as much to do with 223 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: this as anything. They're recruiting really good defensive guys now, 224 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: so the talent is not going to be lacking. And 225 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: then the other thing is now that people will have 226 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: seen Oklahoma play defense. I believe they're going to do 227 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: it this year at a high level as they've done 228 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: it period under Lincoln Riley. I think it's going to 229 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: be a desirable job. So I think he's going to 230 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: be able to go and cherry pick basically whoever he 231 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: wants for that position, and within reason, obviously. 232 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: And I don't think no. 233 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm thinking this out loud as I talk to you, Caleb. 234 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: I don't think there's going to be a big dip there. 235 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: I think Oklahoma's here to stay, and I think they're 236 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: going to be this point twenty twenty one and moving forward, 237 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: I think the product they put on the field will 238 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: be a lot more synonymous with the kind of product 239 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: you need to win a national championship, which is high 240 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: caliber offense, potent vertical passing game, really really good future 241 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: NFL caliber quarterback. But then also opportunistic defense. Big guys 242 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: up front, they can collapse the pocket if they need to, 243 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: they can rush the pass or if they need to, 244 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: long athletic in the secondary. I'm not saying they're absolutely 245 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: there yet. I'm saying expect to quantum leap forward defensively 246 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: from them this year and then that point moving forward, 247 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: and as you develop that and as you know that's 248 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: not a death sentence to go take that job as 249 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, then it greatly reduces the likelihood that 250 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: you're going to have some massive drop off if and 251 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: when a high caliber guy leaves. Who let's take a second, 252 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: let's breathe here. Jason asks, simply, what are your memories 253 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: from April to twenty seventh, twenty eleven, That is ten 254 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: years ago today. Some of you, if you're listening in 255 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: Sioux Falls, you have no clue what that date means. 256 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: If you're listening in Alabaster, Alabama, you probably got PTSD 257 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: just from hearing the numbers put together in that order. 258 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: April twenty seventh, twenty eleven, was the biggest impact day 259 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: in my life outside of nine to eleven. And what 260 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: happened was in generational tornado outbreak across the South. I 261 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: was there, you know my proclivity for stormchasing. I was 262 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: right there in the middle of it, and a lot 263 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: of other people unwillingly were in the middle of it. 264 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: If you're fascinated in atmospheric science like I am, meteorology 265 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: like I am, although I'm not a meteorologist. There is 266 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: the outbreak in the early thirties, there's the outbreak, the 267 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: super outbreak of seventy four, and then this one twenty eleven. 268 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty crazy how it seems like it's 269 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: about a once in every forty year occurrence. The damage 270 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: was unimaginable across the South, especially Alabama. This is a 271 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: day that fundamentally altered the South forever, and it really 272 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: altered Alabama forever. Now you know where I grew up. 273 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: I grew up in Columbus, Georgia, which is right on 274 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: the chain of Hoochie River. So it's right across from Alabama, 275 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: and so I have a really unique vantage point of 276 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: Georgia and Alabama. And it's crazy what this day did. 277 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: So the severe weather apparatus, as I like to call it, 278 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: in the South, it varies state to state. In Georgia 279 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: there are a lot more lasadaisical about it. In Alabama, 280 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: they take it almost militaristically serious now, and it's because 281 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: of April twenty seventh. Now, there had been people who 282 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: had been through big storms before, but I don't think 283 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: there was as widespread an event as this one. We 284 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: were chasing several tornadoes that day, most notably in EF 285 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: three right there. 286 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: On the Georgia border. That was the one we were in. 287 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: But this is the day that the big EF four 288 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: tornado came through Tuscaloosa, stayed on the ground all the 289 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: way through Birmingham. Wild scene, absolutely wild scene to see 290 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: that many supersall tornadoes on the ground simultaneously. I was 291 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: down in Alabama just last month chasing another system that 292 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: ended up busting that day for us at least. But 293 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: I went through the towns of phil Campbell, Alabama and Hackleburn, Alabama. 294 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: If you have a couple of seconds, and you just 295 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: want to see what I'm talking about. You pull up 296 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: your YouTube machine and you type in Hackleberg tornado damage. Hackelberg, 297 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: Alabama tornado damage. That is about as extensive and as 298 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: complete a destruction as you will ever see on planet Earth. 299 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: That was one of the most powerful tornadoes, I believe, 300 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: in the history of the country, right up there with 301 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: the Ewan tornado back in the seventies. And so that's 302 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: just stuff people in Alabama talk about a lot. There's 303 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: a Wrangler Jeans plant that's right there on the highway 304 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: coming through Hackelberg. I was down there last month, so 305 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: we're ten years removed. And here's what's crazy. There's still 306 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: what is called ground scarring, which is visible from satellite. 307 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: If you use Google Earth, you can see this stuff. 308 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: The tracks of these tornadoes ten years later you can 309 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: still see on Google Earth. But what is most evident. 310 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: So when you drive through Hackelberg, you have vegetation. You know, 311 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: it's not a huge city, you have a lot of vegetation. 312 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: It's a highway, so you have dense you know, pine 313 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: forests and stuff. But then you come up on a 314 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: place it's not white to the ground. But what you 315 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: see is all of a sudden, instead of the forest 316 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: looking normal, every single tree is the exact same height. 317 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: And I don't know twenty thirty feet off the ground 318 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: by now, but they're the exact same height. What that 319 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: is is it's the place where that tornado came through. 320 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: This was an e F five. 321 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: This is the kind that rips asphalt up off the ground, 322 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: and so everything was leveled, and so when things started 323 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: to grow again, they all started to grow at the 324 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: same time. 325 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: All the trees started to grow at the same time. 326 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: And you go by that Wrangler plant, which has since 327 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: been rebuilt, but you see it in that video, and 328 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: it's mangled. This is a huge plant. It looks like 329 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: it's the size of a neighborhood. It's one of those 330 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: massive plants, and it got completely and totally demolished. Really 331 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: amazing helicopter footage. But I know some first responders who 332 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: worked the scene in Tuscaloosa. I have never forgotten the 333 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: impact this had on them. Now, I was not a 334 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: first responder that day. I've done it before, I've done 335 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: search and rescue before, but I have not done it 336 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: that day. I heard stories just beyond horrible, beyond imagination 337 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: stuff that for obvious reasons, I'm not going to share 338 00:14:59,080 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: with you, just. 339 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: Really bad stuff. 340 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: If you've ever been there, if you've ever been anywhere 341 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: near a major tornado right after it happens, it's the 342 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: most surreal environment on Earth. Found myself in that position 343 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: on March third, the previous two years, combine a couple 344 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: of EF four tornadoes. I was in them on the 345 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: same date. One was in Beauregard, Alabama. One was here 346 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: in Nashville. Here's what happens. You're there before first responders 347 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: are there. You're there before the sirens are audible anywhere. 348 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: There's no sound. It's totally quiet. There's no power, and 349 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: so it's dark, there's none of the usual sound, ambient 350 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: sound like you would hear. 351 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: In a city, and you just hear people. That's all 352 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: you hear. Is horrible. It's terrible. 353 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: And so that was what was happening all across the 354 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: state of Alabama that day. But I'll tell you what 355 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: did end up happening, and it happened kind of recently 356 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: down there too. Despite all the stuff you see on 357 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: the news, despite all the stuff you see in headlines, 358 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: despite the things that those who control the fabled algorithms 359 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: allow you to see on social media. What really happens 360 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: is community is still the backbone of our country, and 361 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: community is what's on full display anytime something like this happens, 362 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: and it's out of the spotlight, it's long after the 363 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: news cameras pack up and leave. You see people that 364 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: will take the shirt off their back for you. You 365 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: see people just come together, they lift themselves up. That's 366 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: what happens. Nobody pays any mind to anyone's skin color, 367 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: religious affiliation, no one cares. No one asks those questions 368 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: before they help you. They just help you. And that's 369 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: what happened all across the state, and people still remember 370 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: it to this day, and long after this they'll remember it. 371 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, Jason and I have a lot of memories 372 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: of that day. A lot of other people around the 373 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: state were far more impacted than myself. I listened to 374 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: Nick Saban talk about a couple of weeks ago, I 375 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: think it was leading into their spring game, about how 376 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: that fundamentally altered his role, how he viewed his role 377 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: in the state of Alabama, not just Alabama football. That 378 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: took him from being, you know, just a football coach 379 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: at that point had been kind of a mercenary football coach, 380 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: had never planted roots anywhere to that being the time 381 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: that he and his family finally planted roots. And who knows, 382 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: just strictly in terms of football, who knows what kind 383 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: of impact that had just on the college football scene. 384 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: But they did go on, they being Alabama, they did 385 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: go on to win the national title. That's the year 386 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: they played the game of the century with LSU and 387 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: they lost, and then they had the rematch that absolutely 388 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: should have happened. Don't care what anyone says in the 389 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: national title game. But yeah, Jason, that ten years ago, 390 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: man crazy to think about. All right, let's move it 391 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: on here, let's transition. So Stacy, who is a frequent 392 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: contributor to the program, she asked a question about the 393 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: PAC twelve as it relates to the rest of the country. 394 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of talk lately about who 395 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: cares more about football and why this is this way 396 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: and why that is that way. And I got a 397 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: take on that, So we'll talk about that right after this. 398 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 2: So Stacy said, I. 399 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: Was listening to something recently where the main point of 400 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 1: emphasis was that the PAC twelve just doesn't care as 401 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: much about football, and that's why they've fallen off. And 402 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: there's just more to do on the West coast, so 403 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: that's why the fans aren't engaged. Do you agree with this? 404 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: All right, Stacy? So I've kind of broached this before. 405 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: This is one of the things that mildly annoys me. 406 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: If you're a fan of college football, if you're a 407 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: fan of sports, there are things you used to never 408 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: care about that, for whatever reason, a lot of you 409 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: care about now. One of them is TV ratings. You 410 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: used to never care how many people were watching a game. 411 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: It's do I want to watch it? If the answer 412 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: is yes, turn it on. If the answer is no, 413 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: don't turn it on. But nowadays everyone's fascinated with TV 414 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: ratings and no one understands how to properly interpret them, 415 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: by the way, and then secondly we're talking about this. 416 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how many times I've had someone 417 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: that wants to sound smarter than the rest of the 418 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: room tell me, well, you know, PAC twelve, they just 419 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: don't care as much. You know, it's just they don't Football. 420 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: Doesn't matter as much out there. Listen. 421 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: Maybe that's true, Okay, I'll even grant you that. Let's 422 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: say that's true. How does it stop you from winning? 423 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: How does it stop you that you tell me there 424 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: are more things to do in California than USC football? 425 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: How does it stop you? 426 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: Cause I heard I think it's probably the guys at 427 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: the athletic you're talking about that we're having this conversation, 428 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: and I heard Andy Staples make a great point. Now, 429 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: I'm thoroughly ashamed of his recent pivot on the playoff stance, 430 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: but I heard him make a great point. He said, really, 431 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: there are beaches in California. 432 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 2: Are there? 433 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: You're on the West coast, you got the ocean, you 434 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: got all sorts of things to do. 435 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: Huh. 436 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: Let me ask you something. Did those things all pop 437 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: up in the past fifteen years. I knew where he 438 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: was going. I smiled, I closed my eyes. I just 439 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: slowly started to nod, and I said, go, please go there, 440 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: and he did. He said, Hey, I think I remember 441 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: the coliseum being jam packed when Pete Carroll's at Southern 442 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: cal when Reggie Bush and Liner were there. I seem 443 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: to remember it being really tough to get a ticket 444 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: to the coliseum. Were the beaches under construction? What was happening. 445 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: Were the Lakers not in LA yet what was happening. 446 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: What was happening is they were given a viable product. 447 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: That's what was happening. That's the difference Stacy and anyone 448 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: else listening. 449 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: That's the difference. 450 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: The difference with maybe people in Columbia, South Carolina, and 451 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: people in Los Angeles, California, is they both are passionate 452 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: about football. It is true that football per cas but 453 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: it is more important to people in the South. I 454 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: grew up down here, and I've been on the West Coast. 455 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: I know that we all basically understand that. But the 456 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: fallacy is that you can't win out there because of that. 457 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: That didn't stop Pete Carroll, that didn't stop Chip Kelly. 458 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: That's a lie. That's every bit as much a lie 459 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: as if someone at Texas or Tennessee tells you, well, 460 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: the system's just keeping us down and benefiting Alabama. 461 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 2: No, it's not. 462 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: No, it's you're keeping you down. Alabama's just taking advantage. 463 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: Oklahoma's taken advantage, and you guys have made terrible hiring 464 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: decisions and that's why you are where you are. Well, 465 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: Southern Col's the same way. Your stadium isn't thirty five 466 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: percent full ten minutes before kickoff because everyone's at the beach. 467 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: They're at the beach because they don't want to be 468 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: at your stadium because you haven't given them enough reason 469 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: to be. The beach was there in two thousand and three. 470 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: The beach was empty when Southern cow was playing, and 471 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: the reason is because they were the hottest ticket in town. 472 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: The difference in the West Coast is yet, because there 473 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: are more options, you do have to give people a reason, 474 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: whereas the lights in the stadium being on is reason 475 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: enough in the South. Is it an obstacle to overcome 476 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: that there's less passion per capital on the West Coast 477 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: for college football? Sure it is. Is it insurmountable, No, 478 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: it absolutely is not. You just got to get the 479 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 1: job done. Let's just be real here for a second. 480 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: If Clay Helton was knocking it out of the park 481 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: and they were entering the season number four in the country, 482 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: and they had a Heisman Trophy contender, basically, let's just 483 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: say they had Clemson's roster on their campus, does anyone 484 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: really think that that house would be thirty or forty 485 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 1: percent full? Does anyone really think that Southern calif football 486 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: would be an afterthought. 487 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: I don't. 488 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't at all, And so you know, I was 489 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: kind of exclude Oregon from this because Oregon's doing a 490 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: good job up there, They're not necessarily in the southern 491 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: California scene that people really mean when they say west coast. 492 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: When you talk west coast, you're not talking about the 493 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: Oregonian Coast or the Washington coast're talking about California, and 494 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: not even northern California. You're talking about southern California. And 495 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: I understand that. So I go back to your question, Stacy. Yeah, 496 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: I agree that there is more passion in the South. 497 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: There's Hey, I got news for you. There's more passion 498 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: in California for NBA basketball than there is in the South. Okay, 499 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: does that stop the Atlanta Hawks from winning a title? No, 500 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: There's more passion for hockey in Canada than there is 501 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. Does that stop the Lightning from winning a title? 502 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: Obviously it didn't. 503 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: So all of this is a very very convenient excuse 504 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: when the real answer is just get the job done 505 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: and the results will take care of themselves. People will 506 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: show up. I'm in Nashville, Tennessee right now, This is 507 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: a hockey town. People here love hockey. Why do they 508 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: love hockey? Well, because the hockey. 509 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 2: Team is good. 510 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: It's a well run franchise, and so magically you give 511 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 1: people something to buy into, they'll buy into it. And 512 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: college football fits in Los Angeles, California a lot further 513 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: back dating than hockey does in Nashville. 514 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 2: So something leads me to believe. 515 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: If Southern col gets their act together, I think the 516 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: rest of this will magically take care of itself. David 517 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: is next up. He says, I don't know if you 518 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: believe that the G five can't make the playoff. I 519 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: know what your stance is on whether they should or shouldn't. 520 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: But I'm looking at the twenty twenty one Cincinnati football 521 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,239 Speaker 1: schedule and I think this may be the team that, 522 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: if they go into feed in, has the best chance 523 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: out of any G five so far to make it in. 524 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 2: What say you? 525 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I agree with this. This is 526 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: going to be independent of whether I believe they should 527 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: be in. Okay, So let's table that and let's just 528 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: talk about what the committee would do. I'm gonna read 529 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: their schedule to you, and then you tell me if 530 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: you go undefeated against this What do you think the 531 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: odds are? They got Miami of Ohio, then they got 532 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: Murray State. Okay, here's the important part. They go to Indiana. 533 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: Indiana was good last year. It's a big ten team. 534 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: They'll be good again this year. Then they have a 535 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: bye week, Then they go to Notre Dame. Notre Dame 536 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: is a perennial playoff contender, perennial top ten team. Then 537 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: they have their normal schedule Temple, UCF at Navy, at Tulane, 538 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: Tulsa at USF, SMU at East Carolina. I'm gonna tell 539 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: you how this is gonna set up. You will know 540 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: by a week five. You'll know because they are going 541 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: to have to go undefeated and they will have played. 542 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: By week five, they will have played at Indiana and 543 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: at Notre Dame if they win those two games. So 544 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm October second on. We will be watching these games 545 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: in the AAC every week, and we will be circling 546 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: them and saying, all right, Cincinnati, let's see, they're favored 547 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: by eleven this week, they're favorite by sixteen this week. 548 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: But they've already got the two most important wins under 549 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,239 Speaker 1: their belt. And if they run the table and if 550 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: they go on to win their conference title. Yes, I 551 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: actually believe this probably is the best resume now we're 552 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: looking at right now, none of the games have been played. 553 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: But if this ends up being a schedule they go 554 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: undefeated against they've got the two things that most people 555 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: think they need, and that is a couple of wins 556 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: over Power five caliber opponents Notre Dames and Independent. But 557 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: you understand what I mean. Now, I'm gonna ask the 558 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: follow up that you didn't ask there, Jason. But I'm 559 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: gonna ask the follow up, and that is, what do 560 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 1: I think about it? 561 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: Well? 562 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: I have no clue what I think about it. I 563 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: never am able to answer these questions in a vacuum. 564 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: This has a lot to do with what the rest 565 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: of the country looks like. What the rest of the 566 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: country looks like will determine what I think about this. 567 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Power five teams the benefit of the 568 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: doubt because they've played a Power five conference schedule. But 569 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: then again, we don't know what the AAC. 570 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: Will look like this year. 571 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: What if the AAC, and I have a sneaking suspicion 572 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: this could happen. What if that conference this year were 573 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: to look stronger than say the Pac twelve top to bottom. 574 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean, what if that were the case, and then 575 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: you also add in wins at Indiana at Notre Dame, 576 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: and then you run the table in your conference. You 577 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: know what if that's the case, Well, at that point, 578 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: that'd be every bit the equivalent of someone like Southern 579 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: Cal let's say, going undefeated or Oregon going undefeated and win. 580 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 2: In the Pac twelve. 581 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: So there's a possibility I could be looking at Cincinnati 582 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: comes season's in and saying I got to go against 583 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: what I normally say, I think that they should be 584 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: one of the four teams in the playoff. That could 585 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: absolutely happen. I don't box myself in with this stuff 586 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: in April. That's very, very unwise. So yeah, I could 587 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: easily see that happening. Good questions this morning. I got 588 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: a lot more to get to And you can also 589 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: feed those questions to me at late kick Josh on 590 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: Instagram or Twitter Josh pat seven zero six at gmail 591 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: dot com, and make sure you're following that Instagram and 592 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: Twitter account. Got so much good stuff on the way. 593 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: It's on the assembly line. It's in there right now. 594 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: I can hear all the pieces being put together. It's 595 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: about to roll out. 596 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: You want to be there. Beat the rush. It's free 597 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: no matter when. Beat the rush. 598 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: All right, that about does let's wrap it up for 599 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: a producer Jordan. I'm Josh pet Thanks so much for listening. 600 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: This has been the late cake casual of the podcast. 601 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: Have a great rest of your day and God bless