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Speaker 2: It is no Wednesday, April twenty six, twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: Bobby Belt back and ready to roll. Brian brought us,
Speaker 2: We've got Zach Waltchuck Morrison. I'm Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 3: Everybody ready, We ready? Bobby?
Speaker 4: You ready?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean You're never ready? Like don't you always feel
Speaker 4: like Brian? I know Brian and I remember Dane in
Speaker 4: years past would do it. It's like the what about
Speaker 4: one more I could have I could have worked in
Speaker 4: one more player or something like that.
Speaker 3: No, I'm to the point where you're no, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm I'll tell you where I'm at right now.
Speaker 3: If if we were all doing this, if we were
Speaker 3: working as a team for a team, I'd take us
Speaker 3: all out and play golf right now. I really would.
Speaker 3: I'd go take us to go do something, you know what.
Speaker 3: I the day before, we need to go think about
Speaker 3: something else. You know, we don't need to be thinking
Speaker 3: about mock drafts and scenarios. I mean, if we've done
Speaker 3: all the work we can to get it to this point,
Speaker 3: the tags are up on the board, we've talked about
Speaker 3: potential moves, move ups, we've done simulators. We're going to
Speaker 3: do a simulator today for our show's purpose. But if
Speaker 3: I was running a draft, I would give you guys
Speaker 3: the day off.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks guys, Yeah, good show, everybody, all right,
Speaker 2: we'll see guys tomorrow. Would Chase Kepka's ace on and
Speaker 2: live golf circuit that's what we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would. I would totally just give you the
Speaker 3: day off because I I don't feel like it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a long three days, you know, and we're gonna
Speaker 3: need to concentrate those three days. And I I don't
Speaker 3: want you, you know, sitting there and you know, pondering
Speaker 3: this and pondering that. You know, we've done all the
Speaker 3: pondering we could do right now, for for the for
Speaker 3: the team purposes, for our show. We're gonna continue to
Speaker 3: continue to ponder. Yeah, that's what we're here for. We're
Speaker 3: here to ponder. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, what was the biggest thing or I guess the
Speaker 2: most fun thing you ever did the day before the draft?
Speaker 2: Was it go play golf? Or were you still kind
Speaker 2: of locked in? Yeah, that's fair and.
Speaker 3: Get hammered, like start dartying, you know, the day party.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: I I always like I would take my guys to lunch,
Speaker 3: you know, or we'd all go out and just and
Speaker 3: let the guys maybe go back to the hotel or
Speaker 3: go do what they want to do. I mean, you're
Speaker 3: you're in this mode where you're it's the same day.
Speaker 3: It's like the movie Groundhog Day. You live in the
Speaker 3: same day every day, and so maybe it's an opportunity
Speaker 3: to kind of reconnect with your family because you're not
Speaker 3: gonna reconnect with them for three days. Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: say hello to people, go out and run some errands,
Speaker 3: you know, relax, Binge, watch Ted Lasso. Whatever you want
Speaker 3: to do. You know, I would live. I'd let you
Speaker 3: go do that so to me, but I would always
Speaker 3: make sure that it was we're gonna go do something else.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna We're not gonna worry about this anymore.
Speaker 3: We're gonna worry about it for the next three days
Speaker 3: and that's all we need to do. What are you expecting, Ayisha,
Speaker 3: going into the next three days?
Speaker 2: This is your first go around at and I'll ask
Speaker 2: Zach the same thing. Zach's been around the fan at
Speaker 2: least for a little bit longer. But you you this
Speaker 2: is your first time on the draft show. What are
Speaker 2: you expecting over the next three days?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 7: I am. I'm starting to get like the Beg's about tomorrow,
Speaker 7: just because I don't know if I'm supposed to we
Speaker 7: supposed to say Beg's on there.
Speaker 3: That's fine, they were a good group in the seventies.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I'm starting to like and there's no I
Speaker 7: don't know, it's so unpredictable, Like right now, I feel
Speaker 7: like I know nothing, Like I feel like I know
Speaker 7: some things, but we don't know what other teams are
Speaker 7: gonna do because they don't some of them can't draft
Speaker 7: it good. So I just that's my thing is that
Speaker 7: I'm so unsure about the first round. And I think
Speaker 7: after the first round we can get I mean, things
Speaker 7: will kind of fall into clarity, we'll understand, we'll understand
Speaker 7: where some players lie and stuff. I just think the
Speaker 7: first round is gonna set up a lot for us.
Speaker 7: So I'm more I have the most like anks about
Speaker 7: the first round.
Speaker 2: I think teams would probably agree with that, right, I
Speaker 2: mean the first round is kind of the impact pick,
Speaker 2: but it's also the most unpredictable.
Speaker 8: Yeah, especially at twenty six.
Speaker 7: I mean you have no idea.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you're just you're sitting there waiting to see how
Speaker 9: the board falls to you.
Speaker 8: Right, And I don't think.
Speaker 9: That this is one of those where you're really making
Speaker 9: the move up unless there's a.
Speaker 8: Rare situation that a player slides.
Speaker 3: Let me run something by you, guys, then on this
Speaker 3: for the move ups. If somebody were and I was
Speaker 3: talking about this on Cowboys Break and Nick Eatman asked
Speaker 3: me the question, why would you move up? And I
Speaker 3: said I would move up if somebody was just giving
Speaker 3: away their pick. You know, if one of these teams
Speaker 3: like Baltimore or Minnesota, or somebody is so desperate to
Speaker 3: get out of the round, or maybe not get out
Speaker 3: of the round, but to get out of that spot
Speaker 3: that they say, Hey, I'm not going to hold you
Speaker 3: up for a three. I'm gonna let you have this
Speaker 3: pick for a four. I'm gonna let you have this
Speaker 3: pick for a five. You know, teams sometimes get stuck.
Speaker 3: Dallas got stuck during the Travis Frederick pick. They went
Speaker 3: from eighteen to thirty. They got stuck and they wanted
Speaker 3: to bail, and they actually took less value for the pick.
Speaker 3: Could have got a second round pick out of it
Speaker 3: from San Francisco. They took a third. So if somebody
Speaker 3: is willing to give their pick away, I need to
Speaker 3: be there to pick up the pieces and think about this.
Speaker 3: You know, if it's a possibility to move up four
Speaker 3: or five spots, six spots to grab somebody, then I
Speaker 3: think I have to be ready for that. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I have to be ready for you know, I've made
Speaker 3: these calls, I've talked to people, but I got to
Speaker 3: monitor the situations with these teams. You know, I got
Speaker 3: to let these teams know, like listen, you get stuck,
Speaker 3: call Dallas. Call me, yeah, I'm here, you know, call
Speaker 3: me and that way you could you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 3: you're even calling these teams as they're on the clock,
Speaker 3: those teams that you were willing to go to twenty two,
Speaker 3: twenty three, twenty four. If you're willing to go to
Speaker 3: those teams, call them and say, hey, you guys can
Speaker 3: make this pick. Yeah we are, Brian, Thanks, boom. Next
Speaker 3: team when they go on the clock, next team, Hey,
Speaker 3: you guys going to make this pick? Yeah, Brian, we are.
Speaker 6: Boom.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Call the third team, you guys, what are
Speaker 3: you doing here? Man, we're talking about it right now.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, we're here. We're here. If you're willing, you know,
Speaker 3: just to know. Yeah, I'm bothering you to the point
Speaker 3: where I keep I keep the pressure on you to
Speaker 3: call me and let me know if you want to
Speaker 3: move this pick.
Speaker 9: I think that's really smart. I mean, just always have
Speaker 9: your options open, especially if they do want, say a
Speaker 9: Dulton Kincaid from the Utah Yeah, and you need to
Speaker 9: jump a team, maybe it's Jacksonville or you name X
Speaker 9: team that might be just a couple.
Speaker 3: Of tea the tight end Jacksonville's talking about him a
Speaker 3: little bit. We mocked him that way in our first
Speaker 3: round mock that we did. We had a tight end.
Speaker 9: Go yeah, well, I mean Evan Ingram I think was
Speaker 9: just franchised. I don't know that he's got a long
Speaker 9: term deal. He did, but he's not locked up long don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I haven't looked at what it looked
Speaker 4: like last year in Jacksonville. But I know when Doug
Speaker 4: Peterson was in Philadelphia, Philly ran more twenty one than
Speaker 4: anybody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could do that with Evan Ingram and Dalton
Speaker 2: Kincaid or Evan Ingram and Michael maybe they would do that.
Speaker 3: See that's but my whole point about trading up is
Speaker 3: that I'm I'm staying active. Yeah, I'm staying I'm keeping
Speaker 3: my I'm keeping options open because you don't know if
Speaker 3: somebody is going to ice. Just said it earlier. The
Speaker 3: strange thing is you don't know how people are going
Speaker 3: to draft. You might have an idea there's some new
Speaker 3: general managers in this in this uh draft, new guys,
Speaker 3: new experiences. You know, I'm not saying it's like my
Speaker 3: guy on draft day, like Sonny, you know, from the
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns, like he's forced, like he's forcing the Houston
Speaker 3: Texans guy and he's he's banging on the jack the
Speaker 3: Jacksonville guys. Nobody went to his birthday party. You don't
Speaker 3: want to take that exactly. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're not doing that, but you're but you're
Speaker 3: keeping yourself in in in the way of knowing of
Speaker 3: people knowing like yeah, we can call Dallas, but it
Speaker 3: might be to the point too where they want to bail.
Speaker 3: That's the only way if somebody was willing to give
Speaker 3: that pick away because they're stuck.
Speaker 9: Are you kind of work in both sides of it
Speaker 9: with teams behind you, like.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to keep teams from behind me, not to
Speaker 3: go ahead of me. I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2: But let's say you at twenty box out, Yeah you
Speaker 2: do get wiped, and maybe it's Arizona at thirty four
Speaker 2: that does have a new GM and you're you're talking
Speaker 2: to them about like, okay, well, if there's a player
Speaker 2: you like, maybe won't move back, and you kind of
Speaker 2: set that way.
Speaker 8: You've got contingencies both ways.
Speaker 3: I keep talking about that, and actually was I think
Speaker 3: it was Bill Barnwell from ESPN. Bill Barnwell had an
Speaker 3: interesting trade proposition that and sometimes I can't say words proposition,
Speaker 3: the Dallas goes to thirty five, which was Indianapolis. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they pick up that that day that that started
Speaker 3: day four. Yes, yeah, that's right, that fourth round and
Speaker 3: it's it's the fourth overall pick to start the day.
Speaker 3: And sometimes in that position, you know, we always call
Speaker 3: that it's the this is the the day three is
Speaker 3: known as the scouts draft, where the scouts are the
Speaker 3: ones now kind of working the boards and stuff. And
Speaker 3: so that that day, that day three pick fourth overall
Speaker 3: in the round. That could that could get you something
Speaker 3: big if you want to, if you want to parlay
Speaker 3: it into something bigger for next year, or you could
Speaker 3: just take that player that you probably have on your
Speaker 3: board that was a third round player, you know, or
Speaker 3: man like, we got two or three guys still on
Speaker 3: our board. We're sleeping on our board after the second night,
Speaker 3: and we still got some third round grades up on
Speaker 3: that board, and that puts you in a good spot.
Speaker 3: You got that round, you get two premium players. In
Speaker 3: my opinion, that fourth round players are just they're like gold,
Speaker 3: you know, because you got one at the top of
Speaker 3: the round and one at the bottom of the round.
Speaker 3: You get me two picks to start day three. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna do some damage. I would love for that to happen. Yeah. Yes,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of meat there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The point is here, though, is that there are scenarios.
Speaker 2: There are chances to go up, there chances to go down.
Speaker 2: It's like what Jerry's favorite quote was, if it's if
Speaker 2: the phone's not ringing, it's me a collin.
Speaker 3: He says it every year, every year, and.
Speaker 4: To the point where an old country song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty six year old knows the words to lyrics
Speaker 2: to an old country so look it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably told us it was an old country song.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But with that being said, we've got scenarios to
Speaker 2: look at too, because we're going to continue to ponder.
Speaker 2: Like Brian said, and Bobby, you have some mock draft
Speaker 2: scenarios that we're going to work through.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So well it's the uh, it's the mock draft machine.
Speaker 4: It's where we're going to be able to see what
Speaker 4: plays out ahead of us. Brian and I did this
Speaker 4: the other.
Speaker 3: Day and we got a great player we did.
Speaker 4: We ended up with Joey Porter Junior.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: We would have a freaking party.
Speaker 4: So let's go.
Speaker 3: That would be good pin throws.
Speaker 8: That would be great pin throws for me.
Speaker 3: There's there's you don't like Porter.
Speaker 9: Huh you gave me that look like No, I was
Speaker 9: you wouldn't be satisfied.
Speaker 7: No, I'm not saying it. I'm sorry, Bobby. He was
Speaker 7: just looking at my face. I interrupt you. It was
Speaker 7: my face. It was my face, they interrupted you. I
Speaker 7: just I like the idea of a corner I really do.
Speaker 7: But I'm trying to figure out, especially with someone like
Speaker 7: Joey Porter Jr. You guys, Stephan give more in here
Speaker 7: for a year, four year, So how do you feel
Speaker 7: he gonna play behind him.
Speaker 9: For a year for a whole year, and corner he
Speaker 9: gets hurts?
Speaker 3: Trayvon Dix didn't play a whole lot.
Speaker 8: You kind of need four corners now in today's NFL.
Speaker 7: But that was more so because of injury. No, No,
Speaker 7: I didn't.
Speaker 4: Feel like it was because he's broke his foot at
Speaker 4: the beginning of December. Yeah, it's all, but like the
Speaker 4: last two games of the year missed a little bit.
Speaker 7: That That was just my question about the cornerback things
Speaker 7: like how does that work? For you guys.
Speaker 4: So for all of the for all the simulators that
Speaker 4: are out there pro football, I do like the best
Speaker 4: one that I think is the Draft Network. I think
Speaker 4: there's just the most realistic one. Uh. And so I
Speaker 4: know this has been something you guys have done over
Speaker 4: the years before where you go through the mock draft scenario. So, uh,
Speaker 4: we can use this one from the Draft Network. How
Speaker 4: far would you like to go into this, Brian? How
Speaker 4: far do you want me to to send off the
Speaker 4: simulator before I stop it and we reevaluate we're at pick.
Speaker 3: One, send it down to fifteen.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what I was thinking, because then you
Speaker 2: could get up with your second round pick if you
Speaker 2: really you.
Speaker 4: Don't want me to slow down again? See if maybe
Speaker 4: Scarronsky's there nooood all the way to fifteen?
Speaker 7: Yeah, talked about that.
Speaker 3: You think sid is that picture him with a bong
Speaker 3: to the picture of him smoking?
Speaker 4: Did he have a mask and a bong?
Speaker 3: He No, he was just and it could be super old.
Speaker 8: But there is a picture circulating.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that he has a bong.
Speaker 9: Right, And I think everyone would go back and take
Speaker 9: Larmie Tunzel if they had the chance to redo that
Speaker 9: no doubt.
Speaker 4: Probably fifteen the Texans, so they didn't have to give
Speaker 4: that up. Okay, so pick one was Bryce Young to
Speaker 4: the Panthers. Pick two to the Texans was will Us. Wow,
Speaker 4: you had pick three Will and Anderson to the Cardinals. C. J.
Speaker 4: Stroud comes off the board number four to the Colts.
Speaker 4: It's Tyree Wilson edge rusher. Pick five to the SEAHAWKSY
Speaker 4: Devin Witherspoon picked six to the Detroit Lions. Anthony Richardson
Speaker 4: goes seven to the Raiders. B John Robinson goes in
Speaker 4: the top.
Speaker 3: Ten A to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Okay, that looks like it's gonna happen. That's apossible. That's
Speaker 2: a possibility.
Speaker 4: The Paris Johnson goes to the Bears at number nine.
Speaker 4: Christian Gonzales to the Eagles. Would that upset you? Christian
Speaker 4: Gonzalez to the Eagles at ten?
Speaker 3: That would upset me.
Speaker 8: I'd be bummed.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I've come to the realization that whoever the Eagles pick
Speaker 3: at ten, I'm probably gonna be with the exception of
Speaker 3: maybe van Nessa.
Speaker 8: Let's hope they take van ness is a hell of
Speaker 8: a player.
Speaker 3: I like play to the others, I feel like that.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be I could be really, really really
Speaker 3: wrong about him, and I think doubt. I think he's
Speaker 3: on the or to Dallas at twenty six, by the way,
Speaker 3: I do, he's reconsideration.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Roderick Jones tackle to the Titans at eleven, Nolan
Speaker 4: Smith Edge Rusher to the Texans at twelve. So they
Speaker 4: get Bryce Young and Nolan Smith. That's huge, Jackson Smith
Speaker 4: and Jigba for Jordan Love's new target there in green
Speaker 4: Bay at thirteen.
Speaker 3: That's im possible. Talked to green Bay last night, sticky,
Speaker 3: Taron Rodgers.
Speaker 4: The simulator is talking to the same people you talked to, right, Okay,
Speaker 4: Edge Rusher to the Patriots at fourteen.
Speaker 3: That's about where he needs to go. Perfect value.
Speaker 4: Here we are at fifteen, which is now the Jets
Speaker 4: pick after the Aaron Rodgers trade, and there's one huge
Speaker 4: name still well, actually two huge names on board, but
Speaker 4: one specific that's fallen out of the top ten. That's surprising.
Speaker 4: Kronsky is there, that's good, Jaylen Carter has fallen. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So it's fifteen a point where you start calling Brian
Speaker 4: or do you let it ride for a couple more.
Speaker 3: Picks, man, Because he's my number one player.
Speaker 4: Here same, Here's just some of the names that are
Speaker 4: left on the board, and this is the draft network
Speaker 4: stack here. Jalen Carter, Peter Scaransky, Darnell Right tackle from Tennessee,
Speaker 4: Deontay Banks corner from Maryland.
Speaker 3: Okay, stop you right there. The first three guys I
Speaker 3: would absolutely love. So I think I'm gonna let this
Speaker 3: sing ride.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna because here's who's coming up next. You
Speaker 4: got Jets, Commanders, Steelers, Lions.
Speaker 2: And it would probably take your second rounder like fifty
Speaker 2: eight and possibly a late day three pick packaged in
Speaker 2: with your second rounder to move up to fifteen because.
Speaker 3: The Steelers could take either of them, you know, Carter
Speaker 3: or Right.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing you got to consider, Brian, if
Speaker 4: you love any of these players, you have an opportunity
Speaker 4: here to potentially jump right ahead of the Commanders instead
Speaker 4: of letting this get in your division.
Speaker 8: Correct. I think you got at least pick up the
Speaker 8: phone and call.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm calling Jets. I'm calling.
Speaker 4: I would Jets need some draft capital, right, So let's
Speaker 4: see here we will Will they.
Speaker 3: Be interested in one of my players? They've got two
Speaker 3: wide receivers.
Speaker 2: That are on the board there too, to help Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers or Scaransky if they would like, I say, can
Speaker 2: I trade him?
Speaker 3: Can I trade one of my wide receivers?
Speaker 4: You can gallup, not through the not through the actual here.
Speaker 4: But I mean if you wanted to throw in a
Speaker 4: player for free, that we can't calculate. I know that
Speaker 4: because the Jets currently have pick fifteen. They have a second,
Speaker 4: a fourth, a fifth and a fifth. That's all they have.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, they could definitely use some some Ama.
Speaker 3: Let's I'm let's let this sing ride go, let it ride,
Speaker 3: let it ride?
Speaker 4: What about letting it ride?
Speaker 8: Let's let's let it ride. Let's let it ride?
Speaker 3: How you want to go?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 7: No? No, just I want to see what happens?
Speaker 4: Okay? How far do I let it go?
Speaker 3: Five twenty? You want?
Speaker 4: You want to get? So we get up to through
Speaker 4: the Buccaneers, up to the Seahawks.
Speaker 3: All right, let's do that John Snider, because I know
Speaker 3: I could deal with John Snyder. He's my Internet. It
Speaker 3: was my intern in Green Band. Deal with him. Here
Speaker 3: we go that you want to actually call him?
Speaker 4: He's taking Tis just took Peter Skaransky.
Speaker 3: That's did do it?
Speaker 4: Okay, right, You've got Deontay Banks to Washington.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 4: So you do have Joey Porters Jayalen Carter's still sitting there. Okay,
Speaker 4: Joey Porter Junior goes to the Steelers. Oh, the Porter
Speaker 4: family gets to stay in Pitts.
Speaker 8: We're very happy about that.
Speaker 3: Popular pick too.
Speaker 4: Next pick key On White ed Rusher to the Lions.
Speaker 3: We got a break there. There's a lot of we
Speaker 3: just got a break.
Speaker 4: I do think there's some key On White love.
Speaker 3: I like, yeah, oh yeah, a lot more than me.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, all right. Next pick here, Buccaneers take Lucas
Speaker 4: van Ness. That's a fake pen throw for you. So
Speaker 4: now you're sitting at the Seahawks. You have the who's
Speaker 4: between you f the Seahawks, Chargers, Ravens, Vikings, Jags, Giants.
Speaker 4: And here's who's left on the board.
Speaker 3: Carter's still there.
Speaker 4: Jaylen Carter's still there. You could go to Seattle Darnell right,
Speaker 4: Zay Flowers receiver, Boston College.
Speaker 3: I think I got say Flowers with the.
Speaker 4: Cook's Elijah Knzy defensive tackle, sit there and get the
Speaker 4: tight ends Bryan Branch. But all the tight ends are there.
Speaker 4: Jordan Addison is there. The receiver from USC Emmanuel Forbes. Uh,
Speaker 4: John here yet?
Speaker 7: Can you say the first two names again, Jalen Carter
Speaker 7: and Darnell Right.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think I would be. I'd be getting on
Speaker 3: the phone here. Who did the Seahawks take in.
Speaker 4: The first with their first pick, Tyrie Wilson.
Speaker 3: Wilson an edge rusher. Yes, they don't get a tackle car.
Speaker 8: They could take Carter. That would be a very seattle like.
Speaker 4: Now here's here's the thing you got. Here's the thing
Speaker 4: you got a factor to According to the board that
Speaker 4: exists out there that this is drafting, of the two
Speaker 4: highest remaining players left are Carter and Right. So you
Speaker 4: are going to have to take the chance with four
Speaker 4: or five teams going, well, let's just go, BPA, take
Speaker 4: this guy.
Speaker 7: Sure, I want to Does this simulator know something we
Speaker 7: don't know?
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you this, guys, the tight ends we
Speaker 3: love are still there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, what do you what do you how
Speaker 4: many picks you got one two, three or one two, three,
Speaker 4: four or five six picks between you and you've got
Speaker 4: at least harder Right and both tight.
Speaker 3: Ends got Yeah, we haven't let this sink go.
Speaker 8: So there's a lot of players you like.
Speaker 9: For sure, there is the number one player in the
Speaker 9: draft available.
Speaker 3: Number one non quarterback. Not a lot of people.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Tanner McKee certainly is in the play here. Jalen
Speaker 9: Carter is the number one player on my board, number
Speaker 9: one player on Bryan's Yeah I'm getting Yeah, Jalen Carter.
Speaker 9: The way that he can impact your defense, and people
Speaker 9: cry about, hey, can you go get yourself a big
Speaker 9: nasty in the middle, that he's not only going to
Speaker 9: give you pass rush, he's gonna be able to stop
Speaker 9: the run.
Speaker 2: He's gonna free up your linebackers. The impact he can make.
Speaker 9: You get him at twenty, I think it's worth up
Speaker 9: moving up the five bots.
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you in terms of going up
Speaker 2: for a special player that's there at twenty. It would
Speaker 2: take your third round pick, and it take your sixth
Speaker 2: round pick to do it. You need one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty points on the trade chart. Your third round pick
Speaker 2: is one forty, so you pair that with one of
Speaker 2: the late day three picks, you've got one fifty seven
Speaker 2: to trade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a gamble, a little bit of an overpay.
Speaker 9: And we need to make sure we check out you know,
Speaker 9: everything when it comes to do. We like the kid
Speaker 9: off the field, all that stuff, but if that checks
Speaker 9: out to me, he's too good to not at least
Speaker 9: call about.
Speaker 4: Here's my only thing. If you if Jalen Carter happens
Speaker 4: to fall down to you all the way to twenty
Speaker 4: six and you want to take him and take those
Speaker 4: risks with all the concerns off the field, that's fine.
Speaker 4: You're you're you're taking that that chance with face. I
Speaker 4: don't know that I want to sacrifice anything to take
Speaker 4: a gamble on the person. Okay, it's the problem.
Speaker 2: What about Darnel Wright, who is still on the board
Speaker 2: there too, and would automatically make your offensive line complete?
Speaker 3: Man, we didn't, we did, We had We had no
Speaker 3: thought when we were building our board at Carter was
Speaker 3: going to be there at twenty right, there's none, no,
Speaker 3: And if we're window dressed, okay, you had a thought
Speaker 3: maybe Arnel would be there one one. Any thoughts about
Speaker 3: where you would have him on your board?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I have him met three three two two two.
Speaker 3: I think we were doing. We got a guy.
Speaker 2: You have to I think you have to and I
Speaker 2: love to try. You gotta try, and I love rightay?
Speaker 6: Three?
Speaker 3: Okay, let's let's play it this way. Let's play it now,
Speaker 3: let's play it. Okay. I got on the phone with
Speaker 3: my old intern in Green Bay, John Snipe. He turned
Speaker 3: us down. He didn't want it. Okay, he don't pick
Speaker 3: you pick one? He said no, he said no.
Speaker 4: I can pick one. You can't go back and you can't.
Speaker 3: That's fine, pick it. That's what I'm saying him. Pick
Speaker 3: That's the scenario. He turned down. We can't, we can't.
Speaker 3: We can't do anything. I can't do anything in this.
Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna let We're gonna let the Seahawks
Speaker 4: pick here, don't take him and the Seahawks took a
Speaker 4: manual Forbes.
Speaker 2: Oh we're living another day, boy. Okay, now it would
Speaker 2: only it would only take your third round pick to
Speaker 2: go up to twenty one.
Speaker 3: Okay, now I'm now I'm yelling at my pro guys. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm yelling at my pro guys. You gotta tell me
Speaker 3: who's next to this board. Chargers, chargers. Somebody tell me
Speaker 3: what the chargers are looking at here.
Speaker 2: Somebody give me the chargers needs, so you know chargers
Speaker 2: needs right now?
Speaker 3: You would look at a Sorry, I had to pull
Speaker 3: it up. That's fine, You're doing good.
Speaker 2: The Chargers Chargers there they are defensive line, oh god,
Speaker 2: the linebacker, offensive tackles.
Speaker 3: So their top three priority they take right away from
Speaker 3: us here, right, yep, they could take right and they
Speaker 3: could take Carter. Take both of those.
Speaker 4: They and that's the thing that those are their interests.
Speaker 4: Are they willing to even take your call?
Speaker 3: Probably?
Speaker 2: Okay, wide receiver though they might snag a wide receiver. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm on the phone as a secondary need because they
Speaker 2: do have Keenan Allen still, they do have Mike Williams.
Speaker 3: Still, maybe they could take one of these ends too,
Speaker 3: because they could need it. The Okay, justin Herbert, we
Speaker 3: just called Tom to LESCo. Tom turned us down. He
Speaker 3: ain't letting us sin pick it all right.
Speaker 7: Next, don't nobody like us.
Speaker 4: They took a receiver. They took Zay Flowers.
Speaker 3: Let's go, okay, all right, okay, pick I.
Speaker 4: Mean you're you are now you're three four picks out.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: This is the team's right it. This is the team
Speaker 2: that's scary though. But this hapens to Baltimore all the
Speaker 2: bleep and time.
Speaker 3: Oh that Baltimore will take the place.
Speaker 8: Happens to Baltimore.
Speaker 9: Every freaking year they sit there, somebody just slides into
Speaker 9: their lap, and what do they say, the raven We'll
Speaker 9: take them.
Speaker 2: Pro guy, tell me Baltimore's needs please, corner, running back,
Speaker 2: offensive guard.
Speaker 4: They got a running back edge. Yeah, I guess he
Speaker 4: just hasn't signed up. Done that?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: They they signed Odell of course, in the off season
Speaker 2: they traded for They signed Nelson Aguialore. So their wide
Speaker 2: receiver position looks better, but they haven't really valued that spot.
Speaker 3: They could take a wide receiver.
Speaker 8: They really could use a corner.
Speaker 3: Eric DaCosta turned us down on the tray.
Speaker 4: All right, we gotta go again and go to the Vikings.
Speaker 3: No, who do they pick?
Speaker 4: They took Juju Brents from Kansas State.
Speaker 2: They got the corner, all right, Prince, Okay, wow, are
Speaker 2: we talking about him enough?
Speaker 4: I mean, there's there's no matter that Brents could go
Speaker 4: back into the first.
Speaker 3: I don't have him.
Speaker 9: People have been talking he's good three Yeah, me too,
Speaker 9: I don't have him in the first.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see I have a message. So the Ravens took Brents. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I got Brents in the third.
Speaker 2: How about this, let's take our break Okay, let's stalk
Speaker 2: this sover. When we come back, we're gonna see if
Speaker 2: we'll either let this thing ride or we're gonna trade
Speaker 2: up a couple spots and go get us a Jalen
Speaker 2: Carter or Darnell right with more of the draft show
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Speaker 2: something happens like what's happening right now. We're running through
Speaker 2: our first round mock draft. We've gone through the simulator.
Speaker 2: We're sitting at pick number twenty three at the moment
Speaker 2: where the Vikings are on the clock, and Bobby, we've
Speaker 2: got some great names still available too.
Speaker 4: There's Jalen Carter, There's Darnell Wright. There's Michael Mayer, Dalton Kincaid.
Speaker 4: Michael Mayer tight end Notre Dame, Dalton Kinkaid tight end, Utah,
Speaker 4: Jalen Carter interior defensive lineman, Georgia darneld Wright tackle guard, Tennessee.
Speaker 4: Thank you, There you go. Brian Branch is still there,
Speaker 4: Verstatle dB from Alabama. Jordan Addison, great route runner, wide
Speaker 4: receiver USC. So there's a bunch of different options here.
Speaker 4: There's also Hendon Hooker, which Brian will argue to pick
Speaker 4: here in a few moments.
Speaker 8: I'm sure, Well, I think the Vikings are about to
Speaker 8: take him.
Speaker 4: They very well could. And so we've got the if
Speaker 4: I can hear it, picked twenty three and we're just
Speaker 4: three picks out from the Cowboys, and what are we.
Speaker 3: Doing make any suggestions.
Speaker 9: I think I'm not worried about Minnesota taking Carter. I
Speaker 9: think they're looking at a corner.
Speaker 2: I think I think in real life they're taking Hendon
Speaker 2: Hooker here, I really do.
Speaker 8: I think they're taking the quarterback.
Speaker 7: They also need to replenish tight end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't Anthony Richardson still on the board.
Speaker 4: I think he went to I think he went to.
Speaker 9: I mean, it's it's possible they could take a defensive tackle.
Speaker 9: I don't see that as a bigger need for them
Speaker 9: right now than quarterback. They've done a lot of homework
Speaker 9: on corner and receiver.
Speaker 4: How much do you think that if the Jayalen Carter
Speaker 4: went to the Giants, how tough do you think it'd
Speaker 4: be for your interior to block Dexter Lawrence and Jayalen Carter?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Loud, Oh no, I'd say we let it right.
Speaker 3: I'd say we're thinking, so we're to a point now
Speaker 3: where we've there's so many good players on that board
Speaker 3: that yeah, I would feel bad about losing Carter because
Speaker 3: how close he got. But I'm but I'm understand. You know,
Speaker 3: you can feel good having we let it, we let
Speaker 3: it ride, We let it ride this far. The draft
Speaker 3: GUIDs might be with us on this once do this,
Speaker 3: let's got it ride go all right.
Speaker 4: Next pick here is the Vikings and they have taken
Speaker 4: Hendon Hooker.
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go.
Speaker 7: What an accurate simulation simulators, I'm telling you it's it's
Speaker 7: been pretty And look I've run a bunch of different
Speaker 7: simulations with us.
Speaker 4: Sometimes b Jon Robinson falls to the twenties or all
Speaker 4: the way down to the Cowboys. This time he went eighth.
Speaker 4: Jalen Carter, haven't seen him fall out of the top
Speaker 4: ten in the simulator yet you're still here right now,
Speaker 4: So it does try to account for some of those
Speaker 4: different points.
Speaker 8: Great job.
Speaker 3: I can't wait till Twitter comes at us tomorrow and they're.
Speaker 4: Like you guys, said Jalen Carter, would you say, yeah,
Speaker 4: you said he'd be there, and why's he going six?
Speaker 4: So we've got the Jaguars here. Their next pick will McDonald.
Speaker 8: Okay, that's fine with me. Yeah, the Cowboys might be
Speaker 8: kind of bummed.
Speaker 3: That's a pin throw across the hallway. For sure.
Speaker 2: They would want him to fall and be at least
Speaker 2: in the conversation, get into fifty eight.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have a We're not gonna have a tough
Speaker 3: choice here.
Speaker 4: Is there.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have yeah, cars one of those two guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Carter, right, how about even trade back?
Speaker 3: Were interested in trade back?
Speaker 4: Able to we might?
Speaker 3: Let see the giants?
Speaker 4: All right, giants?
Speaker 3: How about us? We went from we went from a
Speaker 3: tack mote put We went from a to like, let's
Speaker 3: let's balance.
Speaker 4: The giants have taken Jordan Addison.
Speaker 3: Splendid?
Speaker 8: Shall we?
Speaker 4: So what do we have?
Speaker 3: Who's on the phone. Who's on the phone. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: we have No, you got to take the guy, right,
Speaker 3: you got to take you. You sweated, you were trying
Speaker 3: to be aggressive to go get your best player on
Speaker 3: your board.
Speaker 4: No, I don't like the offer that we have here
Speaker 4: on this first one.
Speaker 8: What's the offer?
Speaker 4: It's Pittsburgh is saying they'll give us thirty three, so
Speaker 4: go back six.
Speaker 3: Okay, they'll get the first pick of the second.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then they'll give you just a seventh this
Speaker 4: year and a fifth and a sixth next.
Speaker 3: Now that we're saying, no, that's not enough at all,
Speaker 3: not to get us to come off our best player.
Speaker 4: No, No, no, no, no, and then all you're you're getting
Speaker 4: offered from, uh, the Saints is a fifth to go
Speaker 4: back three spots, three spots.
Speaker 3: No, I'm taking Jalen Simulator.
Speaker 7: Mad at him.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of those teams are probably looking
Speaker 4: at it, like Brian was talking about earlier. If somebody
Speaker 4: wants to give away their pick, I'll go do it.
Speaker 4: But otherwise I'm just going to sit here.
Speaker 7: The way that bald Baldy came at the with the
Speaker 7: Cowboys for not having a DT man, you might want.
Speaker 3: To go, well, here you go, here's your guest.
Speaker 4: So we're rejecting the Saints, we're rejecting the All right,
Speaker 4: I'm interested to see who they had the Cowboys give us.
Speaker 3: I think I think as a group.
Speaker 4: We would Well, this is ours, we get to make
Speaker 4: the pick.
Speaker 3: Oh we do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have to pick Jalen Card.
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't do I thought they pick it.
Speaker 4: No, they pick everything leading up to us. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: then we can see what happens behind it.
Speaker 3: I vote Drew Sanders, WHOA I vote no?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know you do?
Speaker 2: You love No, it's Jalen Card one hundred percent, number
Speaker 2: one player in the f false G twenty six. The
Speaker 2: only thing that I hate about this is because it's
Speaker 2: not what's the number one need for your team right now?
Speaker 3: It's offensive line, right that the biggest spot that's that's
Speaker 3: opening right now. I mean, defensive tackle is up there.
Speaker 4: He's nowhere close to cart I'm curious where darneld.
Speaker 8: Arnold Wright's eighteen?
Speaker 6: For me?
Speaker 3: Uh, he is number fifty fourteen.
Speaker 4: Fourteen, sixteen sixteen. Yeah, we all have him like right
Speaker 4: in the team.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, twenty four. I have him at twenty four.
Speaker 4: Okay, well he has them at twenty four. But other
Speaker 4: than that, we all have So my thing is that,
Speaker 4: and look, there's not I don't think there's a total
Speaker 4: lack of questions with Darnell right, No, but it's it's
Speaker 4: different than the questions that are being asked about Jalen Carter. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so is there Yeah, there's obviously a talent gap,
Speaker 4: but like Jalen Carter has gone down the board this
Speaker 4: far for a reason. Yeah, And when you look at
Speaker 4: the talent versus the work effic like, does it not
Speaker 4: trouble anybody that it was ten days after the combine
Speaker 4: he was nine pounds heavier. No, he couldn't finish drills
Speaker 4: at Pro Day.
Speaker 3: Oh No, there's maturity.
Speaker 4: There's some maturity, questions, work ethic, this maturity, there's I mean,
Speaker 4: he was, he was, He's a really great player. I
Speaker 4: think he was even better last year though than he
Speaker 4: was this past year. And so I think that when
Speaker 4: you look at Carter, I mean there are definitely questions.
Speaker 4: There's fewer questions clearly about right. So are there enough
Speaker 4: questions about Carter that closes the gap for somebody like right?
Speaker 6: Esp?
Speaker 3: I feel like, do you guys feel like and I'm weird?
Speaker 3: I mean, I am I religion, I believe in I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not acting the hell are we doing? But I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there thinking, like I do believe in the draft
Speaker 3: gods though too, I do. I believe in the football
Speaker 3: gods always have.
Speaker 8: Did show up? And did he play on Saturday?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: But the thing about it is, are these Jerry's warts?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Maybe it is Jerry's warts. We tried to go get
Speaker 3: a player that we thought, you know that, like we
Speaker 3: saw him sliding, but we could never pick the player,
Speaker 3: never could get in to pick the player. So to me,
Speaker 3: there's a side of me in cycling. Was I not
Speaker 3: supposed to pick this guy. That's that's the question that
Speaker 3: we're all asking, right, Why why is he here? Why
Speaker 3: am I was?
Speaker 6: I not?
Speaker 3: We were just so aggressive. We tried to get to
Speaker 3: twenty to trade for this guy. Do you want to
Speaker 3: we thought about it at fifteen.
Speaker 4: Do you want to call back to somebody. Do you
Speaker 4: want to call the chiefs and see if they'll give you,
Speaker 4: like a fourth to move back a few spots or
Speaker 4: a third.
Speaker 3: So they can go get him and take the player,
Speaker 3: take the player before.
Speaker 4: We do it, I want to I want to hear
Speaker 4: your thoughts on this.
Speaker 7: What I mean as far listen, we sweated all these Yeah,
Speaker 7: I'm more so I'm unsure because I don't have no answers.
Speaker 7: I mean, I know this is just a mock, but
Speaker 7: like we don't know for sure, like what is going
Speaker 7: on with Jalen?
Speaker 3: Like don't why is he sitting?
Speaker 7: Why is he? Why is he sitting there? Because we
Speaker 7: talked about it yesterday. When when you start seeing a
Speaker 7: guy falling, it is.
Speaker 4: For a reason and it Oh yeah, I don't think
Speaker 4: we're as if in real life, if Jalen Carter is
Speaker 4: there at twenty six tomorrow, I don't think we're asking why.
Speaker 8: I think we know why there's a risk and there's him.
Speaker 4: This was more uncomfortable for teams than we knew. But
Speaker 4: we will know why.
Speaker 7: But what I'm saying is is like, yeah, we know
Speaker 7: why surface level, Like we know why surface level. But
Speaker 7: have teams talk to them? Have they talked about his diet?
Speaker 7: Have they talked about his And I don't know enough
Speaker 7: to be like, yes, let's do it. And when you
Speaker 7: ask about who's the more short player right now, I
Speaker 7: guess you want to say with Darnell writing him, I
Speaker 7: don't behavior stuff. We've seen this story. We've seen this
Speaker 7: story with the Cowboys plenty of times, guys not being
Speaker 7: able to be on the field. But they're great players,
Speaker 7: but they weren't on the field.
Speaker 8: So but he was on the field.
Speaker 7: I mean tracking that.
Speaker 9: That's the thing with Jalen Carter. He didn't miss games.
Speaker 9: Now he played right, So yeah, he put on nine pounds.
Speaker 9: Human nature. We trying to put ourselves to the individual shoes.
Speaker 9: He's having to go and interview with police. He's stressing
Speaker 9: you stress seed right, I'm on soda State of the
Speaker 9: rweight loss.
Speaker 8: I've dealt with that issue. You're stress eating. You put
Speaker 8: on some way.
Speaker 2: Eight things happen, right, human nature, life happens. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna knock the kid. Tell you, why are we putting
Speaker 2: him number one on our board, number three on our
Speaker 2: board if we don't intend to take on twenty six?
Speaker 2: Hold on, he shouldn't have been on the board.
Speaker 4: But hold on when you go like it's human nature,
Speaker 4: like it like, we can't knock the guy. Life happens.
Speaker 4: The life happens. Stuff that has been happened to Jalen Carter.
Speaker 4: A lot has been Jalen Carter's doing.
Speaker 3: That's totally fair.
Speaker 4: Just look at all these things outside of his control.
Speaker 3: But that's why Jalen Carter.
Speaker 8: I've done my due diligence in my homework.
Speaker 9: And if we've graded out that he's draftable and we've
Speaker 9: put him at the top of our boards, good point.
Speaker 2: I'm taking him at twenty six. Otherwise I'm not having
Speaker 2: him there in the first place.
Speaker 3: These are the conversation set it would happen in this
Speaker 3: absolutely would. Of course, we don't know everything that they know, right,
Speaker 3: eat and talk to the kid. That's the disadvantage that
Speaker 3: we have. That's the disadvantage that we don't know. If
Speaker 3: there's more we see the stuff that's being reported.
Speaker 4: It's also picked twenty six.
Speaker 3: I'm not picked nine, So I mean I think you
Speaker 3: can you can take the risk.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if it's cut and dry, who's the best player
Speaker 7: in that situation? You take Jalen Carter and your defense
Speaker 7: is so good that you know what your office does
Speaker 7: is important, but it's maybe not super duper is as
Speaker 7: important as last time?
Speaker 3: Khilly something here? Can we do something here? I'm interested
Speaker 3: in I'm interested in picking right and seeing where Carter
Speaker 3: ends up.
Speaker 2: So our actual pick is Carter, but we just want
Speaker 2: to see what I would be voting, and if there
Speaker 2: was any official vote, I would be voting to pick
Speaker 2: Darnell Right.
Speaker 9: Okay, it's tough because I love Darnel right, I do.
Speaker 9: But to me, I've got jailing Carter number one for
Speaker 9: a reason, going back and taking out.
Speaker 4: But I'm doing it.
Speaker 3: I'm doing it on tape and all that. Like again,
Speaker 3: maybe there's a reason why he's maybe on some people's boards,
Speaker 3: he's tenth, twelfth, fifteenth because of the stuff that we
Speaker 3: don't know about. Scout's running into Athens, Georgia. That's why
Speaker 3: I told you guys, I would send Butcher, my FBI
Speaker 3: guy from Philly, to go figure out what he is. Well,
Speaker 3: I want to know what Butcher thinks. What's that? You
Speaker 3: think Derek would pay for Butcher to go down here
Speaker 3: for but he needs to go check it out?
Speaker 4: All right, well we will. We can take right here
Speaker 4: just to see what happens behind? But what is the
Speaker 4: actual pick? Because I would vote right? What would you vote?
Speaker 3: I'd vote Carter Carter black and White. Is Jalen Carter,
Speaker 3: Jayalen Carter for me?
Speaker 4: So all right, y'all all can get fired twenty seventh
Speaker 4: league in two years.
Speaker 3: All right, I'll take care, don't make but take but
Speaker 3: take right.
Speaker 4: I'll take right just to see. But it's Carter Carter
Speaker 4: is the pick. What would have happened behind you if
Speaker 4: you take Darnell Wright? Right after that, it is Quentin
Speaker 4: Johnston to the Bills, Cam Smith to the Bengals, Jalen
Speaker 4: Carter to the Saints, Derek Pull to the Eagles, and
Speaker 4: then it was Jones to the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: Try to come up and get him from you. If
Speaker 3: we hadn't made that, we'd have lost him.
Speaker 4: Yeap, Oh no, we didn't.
Speaker 3: Didn't, upset Bobby.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying like I I I'm I'm talking about specifically, like, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, our life experiences color our worldview. I think
Speaker 4: the life experiences in this building of players like this.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think I I want to take that.
Speaker 8: I get what you're saying.
Speaker 9: I just think the talent level for him is even
Speaker 9: greater than some of the other risks they've taken with
Speaker 9: a Randy Gregory in the second or a Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 9: in the second or name of the.
Speaker 4: Eyes were on this guy. All eyes were on this
Speaker 4: guy at the combine and even knowing a few days
Speaker 4: later at the party where it's like, this is our
Speaker 4: one chance do you work out? He showed up out
Speaker 4: of shape and couldn't finish bag drills. It's like, okay,
Speaker 4: you refuse to even get outside the top ten for
Speaker 4: other teams to talk to you too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then always your knocking against Taken
Speaker 3: des Bryant.
Speaker 4: I didn't have a knock against Takenada. See does Bryant look?
Speaker 4: Does Bryant had his own off field stuff? Does Brian
Speaker 4: Jalen Carter stuff? From everything you hear about Carter are
Speaker 4: are not equal to me?
Speaker 3: Maturity issues right, it's maturity issues.
Speaker 4: And then there's always players with Keavon Thibdau was thought
Speaker 4: to have maturity issues, Kavion Tiboa's issues.
Speaker 2: There were rumors about Michael Parsons too.
Speaker 3: It's not nearly the same, right, it doesn't always the same.
Speaker 3: You know, all the things that you just said make
Speaker 3: absolute sense. And then I go into my office and
Speaker 3: I close the door and I watch Oregon, Tennessee and
Speaker 3: Florida those games, and then I kind of go, oh, Okay,
Speaker 3: I know why I got him where I do. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, and you're you're you're not wrong about I'm
Speaker 3: not saying you just sweep any maturity issues or anything
Speaker 3: under the rug. And that's and the only reason why
Speaker 3: we had a shot to draft him at twenty six
Speaker 3: was because of everything you said. And Okay, is it
Speaker 3: a risk taking him at three with all that, more
Speaker 3: so than a risk at twenty six. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't want to I don't want to bust a pick
Speaker 3: in the first round. Yeah, I don't want to bust
Speaker 3: a pariod. I don't. I don't. But if you're giving
Speaker 3: me an opportunity to take a guy and I don't
Speaker 3: on our board, I'm just saying, on our board, consensus
Speaker 3: was probably a top three player, right, and we're picking
Speaker 3: at twenty six. It's the same. It's almost the same
Speaker 3: argument with me with Bjon Robinson. You know, it's he's
Speaker 3: he's a top three player on my board and I
Speaker 3: get to pick him at twenty six. I don't care
Speaker 3: if he's a running back. He's a top three player
Speaker 3: on my board.
Speaker 4: Word, yeah, yeah, I think it's just at that point
Speaker 4: you're talking about positional value. It's a debate about how
Speaker 4: much is this position even worth. There's no question about
Speaker 4: where he is, while the other one is about that
Speaker 4: the Carter questions. The debate at that point is more
Speaker 4: about is he going to be on the field? Is
Speaker 4: he going to reach that? Like I don't think you
Speaker 4: have the same questions about will be John Robinson be
Speaker 4: available and be good? Yeah, Like whereas with Jalen Carter.
Speaker 4: And I don't think Jalen Carter is going to be
Speaker 4: a bust or anything. But what's his availabily, Like, what's
Speaker 4: his work happens? Like how much does he tap into
Speaker 4: his potential?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just a high risk, high reward with Jalen Carter,
Speaker 2: whereas if you were to pick a darnhell right there,
Speaker 2: it's a low risk high reward to a stink. Yes,
Speaker 2: lower risk and a high or less high reward.
Speaker 4: None of the tight ends went by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Kaid and Mayor all got through the first round.
Speaker 3: Are we able to do rounds two and three? Twitter
Speaker 3: on the twenty you wanted to do? Yeah, we can
Speaker 3: answer something.
Speaker 4: I set it up for one round.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get Twitter on the twenty. Let's do that
Speaker 2: when we come back it We're going to answer some questions.
Speaker 4: He told me to do one.
Speaker 3: Knewest Dallas Cowboys. I didn't think we were gonna get
Speaker 3: through one. Jayalen Carter got it done. All right. We'll
Speaker 3: be right back with more Draft show right after this.
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Speaker 2: But it's time now for a very late edition of
Speaker 2: Twitter on the Twitter on the twenty on the forty six. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, We've got Luke and this kind of goes
Speaker 2: along with it. We just selected Jalen Carter. Let's pretend
Speaker 2: like we didn't take a defensive tackle. You go offensive
Speaker 2: line and go tight end. Whatever happens in the first round.
Speaker 3: I was encouraging by the names there by the way,
Speaker 3: the tight ends being available right being available.
Speaker 2: I think if we're sitting there, that would be a
Speaker 2: perfect draft. If that was the case, I would be
Speaker 2: happy with whoever they picked at that point. I would
Speaker 2: be ecstatic me too. Would you rather have this question
Speaker 2: from Luke Dayon Henley out of Washington State in the
Speaker 2: second round or and Coburn the defensive tackle out of
Speaker 2: Texas in the fourth round or Keanu Binten out of
Speaker 2: Wisconsin in the second round and Dorian Williams, linebacker from Tulane.
Speaker 3: In the third round. Darn it, what are you doing, dude?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Which one would you rather have?
Speaker 2: These are pairings between defensive tackles and linebackers. We just
Speaker 2: took Jaalen Carter. He's gonna be there tomorrow. It's written
Speaker 2: in the stars. It's happening.
Speaker 9: I am going to go with the second option because
Speaker 9: I have Benton way higher than Coburn. I got Coburn
Speaker 9: in the sixth round. I didn't love the player at all.
Speaker 9: I don't think he gives you a ton. I could
Speaker 9: be super wrong out he's a player one hundred and
Speaker 9: eighty seven on my board. I thought A Jomo was
Speaker 9: better his teammate at Texas. So Benton, to me is
Speaker 9: a far greater player at sixty four on my board
Speaker 9: to Coburn compared to the linebackers.
Speaker 3: But I think Henley's better than Williams. But I'd rather
Speaker 3: have the.
Speaker 9: Combination of the second with Benton and Williams and risk
Speaker 9: not having Henley because I don't love Coburn.
Speaker 3: Okay, what are you thinking here, Brian Man? I'll tell
Speaker 3: you what. I like what he said because I have
Speaker 3: Benten at fifty and but I Colburn, I think a
Speaker 3: little bit more than maybe you would have. I just
Speaker 3: love Henley so much too, that I might say Henley
Speaker 3: and Coleburn would be my guys just because And and
Speaker 3: I understand with Williams the two lane linebacker, I mean
Speaker 3: he he makes a ton, a ton of plays. But
Speaker 3: I think I would I think I would go, I
Speaker 3: go with the route with give me, give me Henley
Speaker 3: and the Texas defensive tackle.
Speaker 7: What do you think in Aisha, I'm struggling because I
Speaker 7: have Coburn in the fifth and I have Benton in
Speaker 7: the second. I think that Coburn gives you a little
Speaker 7: bit more in run defense than what Benton is gonna
Speaker 7: give you. He's more pass rushy guy. So, M I'm struggling.
Speaker 7: I kind of think I'm on the same.
Speaker 3: Where do you have Henley and Williams.
Speaker 7: I have Henley, I have Dayon Henley early second okay,
Speaker 7: and I have Drian Williams indeed third.
Speaker 3: Thirty third, Okay, that's kind of where I've got him
Speaker 3: to and so.
Speaker 7: And and to your point, I think I could deal.
Speaker 7: There's a little bit of upside with with Coburn enough
Speaker 7: that I can deal with him be into DT and
Speaker 7: then Dane Henley be in.
Speaker 2: Miob Man, This is a good question because I think
Speaker 2: the way the way that it lines up for me,
Speaker 2: Henley is ahead of Benton, but then you have Williams
Speaker 2: that's ahead of Coburn, and they're paired in different aspects.
Speaker 2: I guess from their from their general value. Bobby, what
Speaker 2: do you think, and you've seen Coburn play quite a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah. For me, this just comes down to I think
Speaker 4: Henley is the best player of the four. Yeah, pretty easily.
Speaker 3: And I agree that's what That's what I was And.
Speaker 4: So to me, it's I want I want the better player.
Speaker 4: I mean I wouldn't obviously, it's it's just where I
Speaker 4: wouldn't be picking a defensive tackle in the third round,
Speaker 4: I don't think. But if it's Henley given these two scenarios,
Speaker 4: that much rather Henley because that's the better player and
Speaker 4: I think it helps his football team more right now,
Speaker 4: and I think he's going to be the best pro
Speaker 4: of the four. And so I would take Coburn and Henley.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't necessarily be jazzed about taking Coburn in.
Speaker 7: The Yeah, I'm not excited, and.
Speaker 3: Four way better. I thought it was second and third,
Speaker 3: So second and third for the Willams.
Speaker 4: Oh and then second and then second and fourth if
Speaker 4: it's Cobra and fourth. Thought we're talking about Cobranan the third.
Speaker 3: He's in the fourth.
Speaker 7: That's okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I would take the first one that
Speaker 4: I get a running back in the third.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got because I've got Benton at what I say,
Speaker 3: fifty and Dorian Williams at one twelve. So I mean, wow,
Speaker 3: you're that low on Williams. I mean, I guess I
Speaker 3: have him at eighty eight. That's not too much, No,
Speaker 3: I mean, and yeah, I mean to me and I
Speaker 3: I'm just because I like to measure with I measured
Speaker 3: with Dane and then measured with Daniel Jeremiah. Did Dane happened?
Speaker 3: And Dane had him at one o three, So he's
Speaker 3: closer to you guys for where he's at. I had
Speaker 3: I had Dorrian Williams at one twelve. Daniel Jeremiah in
Speaker 3: his top one fifty had him at one nineteen.
Speaker 4: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: So but he's man, he's he's got some of these
Speaker 3: that are kind of a little bit, a little bit,
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit stronger than what I would have.
Speaker 3: But that's okay. He does the work. We all do
Speaker 3: the work, you know. But it's a really really good question, though.
Speaker 3: I just love Henley so much too. I just love him.
Speaker 9: I get where you're going with the Henley love. He's fifty.
Speaker 9: He is the highest ranked player of those four. I
Speaker 9: just like the combination the other two better.
Speaker 4: I think if Henley were on this team next year,
Speaker 4: like he could lead the team in tackles, like I
Speaker 4: think he's good and he's ready to go.
Speaker 2: I think there's a chance whispering, of course into the microphone,
Speaker 2: that he is on the team next year.
Speaker 3: They like him across the board.
Speaker 8: That would be maybe a home run pick at fifty high.
Speaker 8: Love that well.
Speaker 3: I think that people have him, Excuse me, I should
Speaker 3: the thing. There's the thing about it is, I think
Speaker 3: he's one of those guys you'd probably have to take
Speaker 3: earlier than you'd want, you know, you'd have to take
Speaker 3: because I don't I just don't think he comes back
Speaker 3: around in the third at ninety. I just don't, you know.
Speaker 3: But that's me. Sorry about that.
Speaker 7: Football question About that though, particular about if he played
Speaker 7: for the Cowboys, how does that change what you do
Speaker 7: with jay Ron Curson those guys because he I mean,
Speaker 7: you you playing a lot of big Nickel because you
Speaker 7: need that cover short linebacker for the time. It is
Speaker 7: this dude can can do it. Yeah, so how does it?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just asking how does he fit for
Speaker 4: Quinna disguise things?
Speaker 9: Sure, and you're probably taking Clark off the field if
Speaker 9: you're just playing two linebackers. Spot he takes Clark's spot,
Speaker 9: especially in coverage, is in like third down passing situations.
Speaker 7: And that's what I was asking, how does he fit
Speaker 7: to you?
Speaker 3: See the thing about I'm going to give Clark a
Speaker 3: pass because I think it's amazing. I think he even
Speaker 3: played it all last year completely and I think with
Speaker 3: Jabril Cox. You know, Jabrell Cox now to me is
Speaker 3: a little bit of Jayalen Tolbert. Let's get on the
Speaker 3: horse and ride, let's go. You know, we got to
Speaker 3: figure some things out here. And he was supposed to
Speaker 3: be a coverage guy too.
Speaker 8: When so maybe this was so high on Jabrill Cox.
Speaker 8: It's been winning.
Speaker 2: We were all there, we were all excited when he
Speaker 2: got picked. Yeah, that was that was a huge thing,
Speaker 2: all right, kind of along the Jaln Tolbert lines. Who
Speaker 2: could be the best wide receiver three for Dallas who
Speaker 2: compliments Ceedee Lamb and compliments Brandon Cooks the best, therefore
Speaker 2: helping Deck the most. And so I guess if there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a wide receiver three that takes the first
Speaker 2: and second rounds out of it, right, we can probably
Speaker 2: talk third round on in terms of.
Speaker 3: Your wide receiver prospects. Okay, if you have somebody in
Speaker 3: the sex like the guy that.
Speaker 4: I keep thinking would fit really well, here is Cedric Tillman.
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't play sixty three.
Speaker 4: I agree with you need to take Tillman in the
Speaker 4: to be it's a three receiver league, and so I like,
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think that that's I just think
Speaker 4: what Tillman does and the physicality, the way he attacks
Speaker 4: the ball in traffic. You know, he's big, he's strong.
Speaker 4: I just think that's something that they're missing, is the
Speaker 4: Brian referenced at all last year. They missed the my
Speaker 4: ball mentality at receiver pretty much all year, and Tilman
Speaker 4: doesn't struggle with that at all.
Speaker 7: You got somebody with their scout na because y'all gonna
Speaker 7: get upset with me.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 7: I love me some Cedric Tillman, but I would take
Speaker 7: I would take take down in the second, Okay, I would.
Speaker 7: I think he gives I think the route run is there.
Speaker 7: He can get open on his own. He has such
Speaker 7: a good feel for the WI receiver position. He can
Speaker 7: tell when a corner sitting on his hip. He can
Speaker 7: he can just he can do things that I think
Speaker 7: a lot of the other guys have to work to do.
Speaker 7: He can naturally do it. It's just the size that
Speaker 7: you guys talk about or whatever. It takes me be
Speaker 7: but he's so he's so shifty, and I understand that
Speaker 7: Cedric Tillman is more the wide receiver that you look
Speaker 7: for and has the size and everything. And I like
Speaker 7: his tape. I just there's some excitement and some explo
Speaker 7: some explosion attitude electricity with that player.
Speaker 4: Tank Dell made me question math in Indianapolis, Like when
Speaker 4: they when they show his four four nine forty time,
Speaker 4: like there's no way, yeah, but you watch it, Like
Speaker 4: even when you watch it's like that doesn't look like
Speaker 4: damn near forty.
Speaker 9: He's electric And if you tell many people, hey, you
Speaker 9: got a chance to get a Tyreek kill like impact player.
Speaker 8: That's him. To me, I'm I'm Marvin Mems all day,
Speaker 8: okay from Oklahoma.
Speaker 7: Visit yeah, reported visit.
Speaker 9: Right yeah, And you know Frisco lone star local kid.
Speaker 9: Because I think Mems, if you need him to play inside,
Speaker 9: he can do that. I do think he can win outside.
Speaker 9: And I think No, Cooks is not a guy that
Speaker 9: you've got him for two years, but I think Marvin
Speaker 9: Mims has the ideal ability to be a number two
Speaker 9: in the future, you know, four years from now, assuming
Speaker 9: you get Ceedee Lamb locked up. To compliment him, I
Speaker 9: love Marvin Mems and he's also a guy ball's his
Speaker 9: He goes up the way he can contort his body,
Speaker 9: makes really spectacular catches. You hit him in stride what
Speaker 9: you want to do in this West Coast offense, He'll
Speaker 9: go get your plays after the catch.
Speaker 8: I'm team Marvin Mems all the way.
Speaker 4: He reminds me of Randall Kopp.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 3: I kind of feel that, man. You guys have got
Speaker 3: some great names. In my third round, we're looking at
Speaker 3: Tillman Mems, Mingo Read from Michigan State and Rice from SMU.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Rashie Rice is interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so players sixty three, sixty six, seventy one, seventy eight,
Speaker 3: and ninety one Hyatt for you, Hyatt is the second
Speaker 3: round guy for me.
Speaker 7: Sounds good.
Speaker 3: I have for Shei Rice as a second round or too.
Speaker 3: I really like Forrashi, right, and I think he.
Speaker 9: Was twenty four really well there and that's a bigger
Speaker 9: body player, no doubt if the Cowboys wanted to go there?
Speaker 3: Hi Rice?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What about eighteen Perry from Wake Forest?
Speaker 6: Is he?
Speaker 3: I got him the fourth? Yeah?
Speaker 4: The fourth? Him in the fourth?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's player at number one hundred for me? And
Speaker 3: do you have him?
Speaker 4: I have him been the third, I have him in
Speaker 4: the third.
Speaker 3: Talk about him?
Speaker 7: I think I initially wrote down that the breakaway speed
Speaker 7: is real. Yeah, that's one of the things that you see.
Speaker 7: I think that's actually what sets him apart, is that
Speaker 7: he can separate really quickly. I think he understands how
Speaker 7: to how to be open and how to be available
Speaker 7: for his receipt, for his quarterback, and then also to
Speaker 7: I like the hands. I think they're pretty sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tall is he right? You got him right?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 3: You got him right? Tall player?
Speaker 8: Yeah, sixth three.
Speaker 3: He's awake or not a wake forest. He's a red
Speaker 3: zone demon.
Speaker 2: He had fifteen touchdowns in twenty one. He yeah, I
Speaker 2: just got him right eleven this year. Yeah, yeah, she's
Speaker 2: got him right, this guy. And I think he benefited
Speaker 2: from one of the better quarterbacks in the country. And
Speaker 2: they run a weird offense where it's like they they
Speaker 2: they hand, it's like this slow and then they pull
Speaker 2: and then now he's running routes down the field, and
Speaker 2: so you're like, once you get used to that.
Speaker 3: But he he There's a lot of these receivers that
Speaker 3: benefited from really good quarterback play, and I think that
Speaker 3: I think Perry was one of those guys. But you're right,
Speaker 3: six ' five boy, Yeah, there's people that had a
Speaker 3: lot of questions. I had somebody to reach out to me, like,
Speaker 3: you know, why do you like him so much? And
Speaker 3: then and then he can't run and then he ran
Speaker 3: that time at the combine four four nine. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I'm thinking I think he plays faster than that. I
Speaker 3: didn't want to say anything, but I'm like, I think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so he would be a good that would be a good,
Speaker 3: a good talk about guy.
Speaker 6: For me.
Speaker 3: It's funny.
Speaker 2: One of the guys that I was looking at was
Speaker 2: Tank Dell to and Bobby said he made him question math.
Speaker 2: You made me question math too, Bobby, So you're not alone.
Speaker 2: I don't look at a ton of the puction from
Speaker 2: these guys until after I watched their film.
Speaker 3: Led the FBS and receiving yards.
Speaker 2: He led the FBS in touchdowns against man coverage, against
Speaker 2: press coverage, and against in red zone touchdowns too. He
Speaker 2: also had the He had thirteen receiving touchdowns when open
Speaker 2: according to PFF. You talk about third most drop passes though,
Speaker 2: That's where I have the question on Tank Dell. He
Speaker 2: had the third most drop passes, but he was also
Speaker 2: targeted more than anybody too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 7: Everything they had that does the return ability to do
Speaker 7: something for.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, he's rare.
Speaker 9: He's got taking TCU Turpin off the team. Okay, interesting,
Speaker 9: there's no need You've got Tank Dell as your returner
Speaker 9: and they're not playing them on offense.
Speaker 3: Would you spend a fifty eighth overall pick for him
Speaker 3: for Dellah, I would go.
Speaker 8: I would go in the third round on Dell.
Speaker 9: I think fifty eights old too rich for me with
Speaker 9: that but heck of a player.
Speaker 7: Yeah, round with him. I like him early third round.
Speaker 4: Also, the Commanders turned down the fiftie option on Chase Young.
Speaker 4: Wow that got hurt effect draft?
Speaker 7: Yes it could. Yes, Who did we have them drafting
Speaker 7: in this mock?
Speaker 4: I don't remember who it was they got picked there,
Speaker 4: I can get there.
Speaker 3: Somebody vamped for me.
Speaker 4: As an offensive lineman or somebody I don't remember was.
Speaker 3: Banks. That's right that Thanks for man.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 3: All right.
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