Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Real
Speaker 1: Time Crime. We love to see you are sexy social sleuths.
Speaker 1: Welcome back today. We're going to be discussing the Lorie
Speaker 1: Arnold case, Rachel del Tondo, Scott Peterson and more. And
Speaker 1: with me I have my wonderful co host Teddy Meloncamp,
Speaker 1: Hi guys, and sometimes Dmitri, who, by the way, mouthed
Speaker 1: your intro. Teddy, I know, were you so excited you
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna pause again? Didn't you know you
Speaker 1: can do the thing that you Teddy Meloncamp, I actually
Speaker 1: was trying something else out, but thanks for blowing my cover.
Speaker 1: I felt like maybe something was wrong. I was just
Speaker 1: checking in. You know what something is wrong? You guys? Like,
Speaker 1: normally I'm researching crimes and I feel so therapeutic to me.
Speaker 1: And I think because the holidays are coming up and
Speaker 1: so many crimes are coming in, I like have anxiety
Speaker 1: with how much has happened. Like my husband came in,
Speaker 1: He's like, you don't look like you slept for days
Speaker 1: the podcast, I'm like, I know, there's just so many crimes.
Speaker 1: There's so much. I mean, it feels like it's tripling.
Speaker 1: I agree, especially in Los Angeles. That's number one where
Speaker 1: I think apparently now we're officially known as Gotham City,
Speaker 1: some pretty bleak here in l A. But I think
Speaker 1: we should talk about our first crime, which is the
Speaker 1: fact that I'm not dressed as Elizabeth Holmes. What's the
Speaker 1: what you had something else you had to do today
Speaker 1: that you can wear a black turtleneck. Thank you. I
Speaker 1: while I do want everyone to think that I only
Speaker 1: wear black turtlenecks, and yes I do own fourteen of them,
Speaker 1: I think that's actually starting to become a mental illness.
Speaker 1: It's actually I have a black turtleneck for every occasion.
Speaker 1: I've got a I've got a crop top black turtleneck,
Speaker 1: I have a dress turtleneck. I have a sleeveless turtleneck there.
Speaker 1: This is like you even have a mock turtleneck on currently. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, thank you. Well, that's me with hoodies every day.
Speaker 1: I just can't. It's this is my this is my um,
Speaker 1: this is my attire, this is my Elizabeth Holmes is
Speaker 1: different hoodies and different colors. It works for you. I
Speaker 1: just think that I think turtlenext frame your face well,
Speaker 1: and we know because Galaine Maxwell, I almost said, jis Lane.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with me? But that's what we want to
Speaker 1: call her. We want to call her jis Lane. We
Speaker 1: want to call her jis Lane. We we want to
Speaker 1: call her a lot of things, especially after the additional
Speaker 1: updates that we've been seeing on the trial, not really
Speaker 1: from press, but yeah, but more of the story is
Speaker 1: she also always wears turtlenecks for the most part, and
Speaker 1: I think they just make you look sexier, and so
Speaker 1: does Elizabeth Holmes. There's a theme here, and so maybe
Speaker 1: I will become a criminal podcasts, I commit crimes when
Speaker 1: I wear children. Next after you've had a couple of kids,
Speaker 1: and it's some extra next like there is no like
Speaker 1: I'm like this, but you know, speaking of crimes that
Speaker 1: are mysteriously discharged, we've got O. J. Simpson. Why don't
Speaker 1: you let me why it was I allowed to do
Speaker 1: a segue because I felt like you were doing a
Speaker 1: nice job of it. So continue on, Dmitri. I've never
Speaker 1: seen you roll your eyes harder to just pop a
Speaker 1: blood vessel in your eye. Okay, continue on with O J. Okay,
Speaker 1: Teddy wants to kill me. They're gonna be there's gonna
Speaker 1: be another crime on this podcast. Okay, so O J.
Speaker 1: Simpson is once again a freeman. Also, that's already a
Speaker 1: hilarious statement. He was discharged from his parole two months early,
Speaker 1: and I would just like for everyone to take note,
Speaker 1: just to take note. He was acquitted in but two
Speaker 1: years later lost a civil trial and he was ordered
Speaker 1: to pay thirty three point five million dollars and damages.
Speaker 1: So he technically was held accountable for the murders. But
Speaker 1: for some reason that has just always been overlooked. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So he was on parole and then released from prison
Speaker 1: in seventeen for the Las Vegas kidnapping an armed robbery
Speaker 1: in two thousand seven, and his parole was scheduled to
Speaker 1: end February nine. But on November thirty, the Nevada Board
Speaker 1: of Pearl Commissioners held a quote unquote early discharge hearing
Speaker 1: for Simpson after receiving a written recommendation from the Nevada
Speaker 1: Division of Parole and Probation. So they said that the
Speaker 1: decision to grant early discharge from parole was ratified. Um basically,
Speaker 1: the board voted on unanimous release of Simpson and he
Speaker 1: only served nine of a thirty three year sentence. So
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you remember this, but he was
Speaker 1: released in October of that year because also during a
Speaker 1: robbery in two thousand seven, he was part of a
Speaker 1: group that raided a hotel and casino to steal sports
Speaker 1: memorabilia at gunpoint. So, for those of you who are unfamiliar, Simpson,
Speaker 1: who starred for the Buffalo Bills in nineteen seventies and
Speaker 1: is the twenty one leading rusher in NFL history, said
Speaker 1: that the items belonged to him. And Simpson spent a
Speaker 1: lifetime in the limelight, first for his athletic prowess in
Speaker 1: college and the NFL, and then as an actor and pitchman,
Speaker 1: and then as a murder suspect in killing of his
Speaker 1: ex wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman.
Speaker 1: I actually am always triggered by this because my legal
Speaker 1: last name is Goldman, no relation. I just had to
Speaker 1: make this about me somehow, thank you. And he pleaded
Speaker 1: a hundred percent not guilty, of course, and then that's
Speaker 1: when he was acquitted and then two years later lost
Speaker 1: the civil trial. What do we think did he serve
Speaker 1: his time with? He let off easy? What's our o
Speaker 1: J decision? Well, I actually making it about me. I
Speaker 1: have met O J. Simpson. Uh huh, yeah, do you
Speaker 1: remember the restaurant? I mean it might still be open COI.
Speaker 1: It's on La Siennaga. It used to be like the
Speaker 1: sushi hot spot. I was there and O J. Simpson
Speaker 1: was there as well, And to me, this is a crime.
Speaker 1: Without anybody asking. He just started asking people if they
Speaker 1: wanted to take his picture, and I was like, who
Speaker 1: does that? It's one thing if somebody comes up and
Speaker 1: they're like, Hi, nice to meet you, I'm your biggest fan.
Speaker 1: Can I take your picture? Or it's just I'm your
Speaker 1: biggest fan. You can tell they're nervous. They want to
Speaker 1: get your picture, but they're scared to ask. That was
Speaker 1: not happening. He was just sitting at the table, arms wide,
Speaker 1: like who wants the cher So he was trying to wait.
Speaker 1: So he was trying to be a mall Santa pretty much.
Speaker 1: I mean it was so uncomfortable that and and everybody's like,
Speaker 1: you know at this time, I mean, I don't remember
Speaker 1: what year this was. How how old do you think
Speaker 1: I am? Dmitri hilarious Dmitri that I was like fourteen.
Speaker 1: This is one of those times when sometimes Dmitri and not. Sometimes.
Speaker 1: I remember the o J case because we all went
Speaker 1: to library and watched the like at in high school
Speaker 1: and watched like the Chase from the Yes, that was
Speaker 1: the only place get a TV at my school, so
Speaker 1: we all went there to watch it. But no, um
Speaker 1: and now everyone has a TV in their hand at
Speaker 1: all times. Correct. But yeah, that that happened with o J.
Speaker 1: I personally think, if you keep committing crimes, maybe you
Speaker 1: shouldn't keep getting let out early. If you commit the crimes,
Speaker 1: you do the time he doesn't. Maybe it's just bad
Speaker 1: luck follows him. And you know, this is a jury
Speaker 1: of his peers, the three of us, and we are
Speaker 1: sentencing him back to jail. But you know, I do
Speaker 1: think the mall Santa moment is a little ridiculous. Did
Speaker 1: anyone sit on his lap? And he's like, all I
Speaker 1: want for Christmas is the charges dropped. The What I
Speaker 1: can say is that people did take him up on
Speaker 1: the offer. Oh my god, I know I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll just have a spicy tuna crispy rice, thank you, hilarious.
Speaker 1: Ted Bundy was there. I would have done it. He
Speaker 1: was hot. Yeah, this is something that's an inside voice
Speaker 1: We've talked about this about saying mass murderers were hot
Speaker 1: or attractive or sexy. We're trying not to do that
Speaker 1: a little lesslie, I remember, we're going to try to
Speaker 1: do that a little less. This next we're going to
Speaker 1: have to go through very quickly. Um. But while we're
Speaker 1: on the topic of NFL players, Kevin Wears missing girlfriend.
Speaker 1: They think that they found her remains and he is
Speaker 1: already in jail, denied bail because of his involvement in
Speaker 1: Pomaski's death. Ah. I feel like the part that's very
Speaker 1: bizarre to me is how long went before her parents
Speaker 1: made her missing. Carson, I agree with that completely. The
Speaker 1: first time I saw the story was that she was
Speaker 1: last seen on April, but her family filed the missing
Speaker 1: person's report on May tenth, only after realizing that she
Speaker 1: didn't contact them on Mother's Day. Yeah, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this sounds really narcissistic. They're like, um, this is weird.
Speaker 1: We didn't get a press in where are my roses?
Speaker 1: I mean, this it's it's it's a hard tell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean he he already, he already has history.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how to say this about
Speaker 1: getting trouble. He already has a history of abuse towards her,
Speaker 1: according to her friends. Right, And he was also arrested
Speaker 1: on drug charges and weapon charges in April, and then
Speaker 1: he was released on bond but then arrested again for
Speaker 1: failing to appear in court. So kind of seems like
Speaker 1: he's a repeat offender. It was just showing like lack
Speaker 1: showing lack of empathy for sure. I mean, failing to
Speaker 1: show up in court already says something. But also I
Speaker 1: have a question. If your girlfriend is missing that long,
Speaker 1: aren't you the one to maybe contact your parents and
Speaker 1: or the police. I mean, maybe you can say with
Speaker 1: the parents, not contact. Maybe they don't have that type
Speaker 1: of relationship where they talk all the time. However, if
Speaker 1: that is your significant other, you're talking and last year
Speaker 1: was leaving a party and it's just disturbing. So I
Speaker 1: think that that is probably going to be the best
Speaker 1: evidence that this is your significant other. And then you
Speaker 1: just mysteriously don't contact them for three weeks or bring
Speaker 1: up the fact that they're missing, Yeah, that should be
Speaker 1: the definite. You know what's so funny is I was
Speaker 1: going to say that, and then I was like Teddy
Speaker 1: and Dmitri, you're gonna gang up on me, you know,
Speaker 1: let's let's take down. You know, I'm very open to
Speaker 1: your Brian laundry conversations as long as they don't continue
Speaker 1: on for much longer. Which brings me to jan a dooger. Wow,
Speaker 1: she does it again, Ladies and gentlemen. Well, you know what.
Speaker 1: Jana Douger breaks her silence following child dangerment, shares the
Speaker 1: raw facts. I'm only sharing this because the media has
Speaker 1: been having a field day with it all. Yes, the
Speaker 1: former reality star began in a statement on Tuesday, December
Speaker 1: fourteenth via Instagram story. I prefer more private life, but
Speaker 1: I know my last name means that everything we do
Speaker 1: is open to public criticism and interest, especially during this time.
Speaker 1: I was babysitting a few months ago and one of
Speaker 1: the children wandered outside alone. A passer by who saw
Speaker 1: the child called the police. This resulted in a written
Speaker 1: citation as well as a follow up with childwear Welfare,
Speaker 1: who concluded that it was an accident and the child
Speaker 1: was unharmed. Okay, I've done a lot of babysitting, and
Speaker 1: I understand that baby that accidents happen, but I don't
Speaker 1: think that this is something people are having a field
Speaker 1: day over. This is a huge accident, a huge mistake,
Speaker 1: like this isn't something that just happens every day when
Speaker 1: your babysitting. How many children were in the house at
Speaker 1: the time, They don't say, we don't even know if
Speaker 1: she was babysitting her nieces and nephews or her you know,
Speaker 1: or somebody else. We have absolutely no idea. But following
Speaker 1: everything that's going on with you know, her brother, it's
Speaker 1: it's not ideal timing for her. And personally, I don't
Speaker 1: even really want need to see anything else in regards
Speaker 1: to this family. I just want them to all get
Speaker 1: the help that they need and maybe stop having so
Speaker 1: many children. I feel like nineteen and counting can simmer down, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, if they actually had nineteen kids in the
Speaker 1: house and one happened to get loose, I actually could
Speaker 1: understand that, you know, because then at that point she
Speaker 1: has a daycare. She has a daycare. I love that.
Speaker 1: You're actually like, we're talking about French bulldogs and we're
Speaker 1: talking about children. Well, I mean, first of all, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't know, but are there usually locks on doors that
Speaker 1: are child proof or is there like a like how
Speaker 1: high would you have to reach to be able to
Speaker 1: get to the door? You know what I mean? Was
Speaker 1: there like a door open? I feel like there are
Speaker 1: pieces of information that are missing. There are pieces of
Speaker 1: information you are missing because she does not wanting to
Speaker 1: obviously be transparent about what exactly happened. Um. That being said,
Speaker 1: one would imagine the ratio of how many kids you're
Speaker 1: supposed to watch, like in a daycare, one to how many.
Speaker 1: That's also it's like one to say, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the ratio is, but let's say it was so
Speaker 1: many kids you couldn't manage. I just don't know that
Speaker 1: that's the case. Um, but I do think this kind
Speaker 1: of public statement of that like everybody's coming down and
Speaker 1: you're like you know that that is coming Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I wonder if I wonder at what point is
Speaker 1: it gross negligence or if it's just negligen I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure she's beating herself up. She has to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean believe. I mean there's been times
Speaker 1: even just you're playing with your kids and they bumped
Speaker 1: their head on something, you know, I beat myself up,
Speaker 1: like there's no but this is definitely one of those things,
Speaker 1: especially if your babysitting you're getting paid to do a
Speaker 1: job like all hands on deck. Apparently, not to make
Speaker 1: this about me, but when I was one year old,
Speaker 1: I was sitting in a chair and my mom said
Speaker 1: she left me for thirty seconds and I just fell
Speaker 1: right over, face first onto the ground. And she said
Speaker 1: when she came back into the room, she was mortified,
Speaker 1: and she thought I was dead. And I wasn't making
Speaker 1: any noise, I wasn't cry and then she laughing, giving me,
Speaker 1: well I have alive. Hello obviously unless I'm you know,
Speaker 1: there was a switcheroo, but um, and then she said
Speaker 1: she picked me up, and I was just like, ha ha.
Speaker 1: I think this explains a lot about me as a person.
Speaker 1: It completely makes sense. I mean, accidents do happen. I
Speaker 1: fell down the stairs in my walker when I was
Speaker 1: a little kid. They're like your little big My head
Speaker 1: became huge. I had to go to the hospital. Accidents
Speaker 1: do one million. So we can give her the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt. But everything going on in the press
Speaker 1: right now, it's it's tricky. Well, everything going on with
Speaker 1: Josh right who you know it was, who's thirty three
Speaker 1: and faces up to twenty years of imprisonment and up
Speaker 1: to two dollars in fines for each conviction of receiving
Speaker 1: and possessing child sexual abuse materials. Um, that's really in
Speaker 1: the media right now, and of course it should be.
Speaker 1: I mean he also admitted in that he was having
Speaker 1: an unfaithful um activity. Um, I rephrased that very strangely,
Speaker 1: but he was unfaithful in his marriage and that he
Speaker 1: was addicted to porn. So, I mean, just this family
Speaker 1: is is they need to stop having kids. I think
Speaker 1: Teddy that was the right move. I mean, now they
Speaker 1: are no longer on television, so that's for sure part
Speaker 1: but they are on television, just in a different circumstance, correct,
Speaker 1: But they no longer have a reality television show highlighting
Speaker 1: in their life. But yeah, the whole thing is very depressing.
Speaker 1: I just I don't I think child pornography is so despicable,
Speaker 1: and I don't imagine that he won't face life in prison.
Speaker 1: I hope that he does. I couldn't imagine any other
Speaker 1: result to me that there's absolutely no excuse for that.
Speaker 1: There's absolutely no disc we have to do. We have
Speaker 1: to take a little break, you guys when we come back,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Lorie Arnold. I if you
Speaker 1: haven't seen The Queen of Math, it is a much
Speaker 1: I must watch. All right, let's take a little break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll discuss Lauria. Al Right, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome back. And I have to say that my slew
Speaker 1: thing this week has really been dedicated to Lorie Arnold,
Speaker 1: because I stumbled across across, I stumbled across, I stumbled
Speaker 1: across Queen of Math, and immediately I was hooked. Laurie
Speaker 1: was born in one in Iowa. She was raised by
Speaker 1: her dad and her step mom along with six other siblings.
Speaker 1: One of the siblings happening to be celebrity Tom Tom Arnold,
Speaker 1: who is a wonderful person. By the way. You know
Speaker 1: him right, I know we should have had him on.
Speaker 1: By the time she was fourteen, she was hanging around
Speaker 1: at the club where her mom worked and was addicted
Speaker 1: to alcohol. By nineteen eighty five, she was married to
Speaker 1: the president of the Grim Reaper motorcycle Club, Floyd Stockwell,
Speaker 1: and their young son are and The drug dealing started
Speaker 1: out small, but it turned into a way to bring
Speaker 1: in some extra cash, and then the extra money Arnold
Speaker 1: says was able to help their friends who are in
Speaker 1: a tough spot financially. Ultimately, she turns into the nickname
Speaker 1: Queen of Math. Through the large scale drug operation controlled
Speaker 1: throughout the nineteen eighties and nineteen eighty nine, the FBI
Speaker 1: arrested her sees more than ten million dollars in assets.
Speaker 1: She was convicted of drug trafficking and money laundering and
Speaker 1: spent more than fifteen years of prison. And I love
Speaker 1: that you said that you were hooked on this case,
Speaker 1: because that's exactly what she would have wanted. She but
Speaker 1: he where's the hard part with watching? Did you watch
Speaker 1: Queen of Math or you've just done your research online.
Speaker 1: I've done my research because when you're watching her, she's
Speaker 1: so likable you almost forget that she was distributing meth
Speaker 1: to mass quantities because she's funny and she's you know,
Speaker 1: you can tell well you would you start to believe
Speaker 1: that she's like remorseful, like realizing what she did to
Speaker 1: her families and her friends by supplying you know, meth.
Speaker 1: But she also went to prison and then came out
Speaker 1: and then tried to get sober and live the sober life,
Speaker 1: and then was like working at Wendy's and at the
Speaker 1: meat place, and then she realized she missed it and
Speaker 1: went back to it and then got arrested again. Addiction
Speaker 1: is really difficult, but not just the addictions, the addiction
Speaker 1: of making money, the addiction of making money. I feel
Speaker 1: like that was also the thing. And and she talks
Speaker 1: about a time when Tom and Rosanne Barr came to visit,
Speaker 1: and it was before he was sober, and he was
Speaker 1: talking about it too, and like Roseanne was at their
Speaker 1: parents house and he went over there and like did
Speaker 1: so much, so many drugs that then he came back
Speaker 1: and he was not able to even move when he
Speaker 1: saw Roseanne, Like he was just in bed, stuck, like
Speaker 1: almost odeeing. And that was the point in time when
Speaker 1: he decided, you know, well, Rosanne decided it was time
Speaker 1: for him to get sober. If if you wanted to
Speaker 1: marry her, yeah, I mean she was making two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a week. I mean I might be a drug
Speaker 1: dealer for two hundred thousand dollars a week. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to tell you. I wish
Speaker 1: megalomania was one of my better qualities, but it's just
Speaker 1: I don't have it unfortunately, But not just that people
Speaker 1: were driving I mean across the country multiple times. She
Speaker 1: even bought a car dealership in order to so they
Speaker 1: could drive different cars every single time. So that wasn't
Speaker 1: like red flag that the same car was driving from
Speaker 1: Iowa to California to Arizona to all these different places
Speaker 1: and houses, multiple bars, all to funnel and try to
Speaker 1: clean the money and her and she was the brains
Speaker 1: of the entire organization. And then her husband at one point,
Speaker 1: like she also has a child, might I add who
Speaker 1: they seemed to actually still have a pretty good relationship.
Speaker 1: He had to deal with such terrible fights between Lori
Speaker 1: and her ex husband because he would go and use
Speaker 1: and then come back and shoot at them with a gun.
Speaker 1: They would like hide behind the car. I mean, this
Speaker 1: was just the way that they kind of grew up.
Speaker 1: And also this part that was really heartbreaking. Was this
Speaker 1: all kind of stemmed, you know, in my opinion, from
Speaker 1: their mother. I knew you were going to say from
Speaker 1: her childhood, but it's true. I mean, they grew up.
Speaker 1: They were living with the mother, decided to give the
Speaker 1: kids to the dad, and then when they were around
Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen, the dad wasn't letting them party the
Speaker 1: way they wanted to, so they went and lived with
Speaker 1: a mother who was married six times. And then the
Speaker 1: mom treated them more like friends and wanted to party
Speaker 1: with them because she didn't want to, you know, party alone,
Speaker 1: or she'd have them at the bar where she worked,
Speaker 1: and that's when they started drinking and using. And it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's hard for me because when
Speaker 1: your childhood starts out like that, it seems probably so
Speaker 1: impossible to get out, and the idea of being able
Speaker 1: just to make money and you know, support your own
Speaker 1: family and your own friends probably seems pretty great, and
Speaker 1: like it's not like I guess Tom even called her
Speaker 1: and said this before she got arrested the second in time,
Speaker 1: and said, I've been tipped off. They're gonna arrest you again,
Speaker 1: and she said, go f yourself. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: she was like fourteen, I think when she was hanging
Speaker 1: out at clubs with her mom where her mom worked,
Speaker 1: and her mom was an alcoholic, and I think it's
Speaker 1: it's difficult when you grow up in a situation with
Speaker 1: alcoholism and addiction in your living life in the fast
Speaker 1: lane before your brain has even fully formed because that
Speaker 1: becomes normal to you. Oh, speaking of she also got
Speaker 1: married as a fourteen year old to somebody the president
Speaker 1: of the grim reapromoters, a different person. She was married, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was already married and he was the mom had
Speaker 1: set them up. It's just and then he was, you know,
Speaker 1: essentially a pedophile. But if you go to a certain
Speaker 1: state then you can right off and they're allowed to
Speaker 1: get married. And she married him for a year until
Speaker 1: it's just so heartbreaking their entire story. But you guys,
Speaker 1: well she also tried meth as a kid. I mean
Speaker 1: it started out small, her drug dealing, as a lot
Speaker 1: of times it does before you realize you're addicted to
Speaker 1: it and the money is easy, and you know she
Speaker 1: was just trying to bring in some extra cash. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just so heartbreaking. I mean, I do truly believe
Speaker 1: that this is the most story I've ever heard, you know,
Speaker 1: being the fact that they were calling her what were
Speaker 1: they calling her, um scarface and a skirt. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, why can't women be the face of crime?
Speaker 1: You know, it's our time When you say our I
Speaker 1: honestly feel like one of these episodes we're going to
Speaker 1: be talking about something that you have done. It's and
Speaker 1: and it'll just be breaking hearts. Dmitri Well, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: an open wounded this nest week and positive news. She
Speaker 1: now appears to be like doing well. She's living a
Speaker 1: loc life, a low key life with her fiancee. She's saying,
Speaker 1: you know, he said she's paid her do she has
Speaker 1: a blue collar job. Um, but you always wonder. I
Speaker 1: also think it's interesting that she's credited with bringing the
Speaker 1: drug to parts of the Midwest, in the specific town
Speaker 1: um Ottumwa, and I do think that the drugs would
Speaker 1: have probably gotten there without her, which is also what
Speaker 1: she claims as well. I mean, drugs are going to
Speaker 1: show up anywhere there's nothing to do and where there's
Speaker 1: everything to do. So drugs are everywhere. I mean, trust me.
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, being in New York City as
Speaker 1: a kid, and you couldn't walk below St. Mark's without
Speaker 1: seeing someone suing heroin on the street corner. And now
Speaker 1: that area is like a playground, of course, and it's
Speaker 1: all n y U and it's completely different than it
Speaker 1: used to be. But you know, that was a very
Speaker 1: populated city and then there was still a ton of
Speaker 1: drug use out in the open, and so in the Midwest,
Speaker 1: same thing was happening, except there's not as much to do,
Speaker 1: so more people were doing drugs. This goes back to
Speaker 1: Teddy you said about the childhood and stuff. And this
Speaker 1: is probably gonna sound sarcastic, but it's not meant to be.
Speaker 1: And I usually preface that because normally I am being sarcastic.
Speaker 1: But she she grew up with all that stuff that
Speaker 1: she described, right, but she found like she was smart
Speaker 1: enough she became his mastermind of the stuff. Now can
Speaker 1: you imagine if she had a better upbringing and she
Speaker 1: had that's those smarts and and that that thinking and
Speaker 1: put it to something else. I mean, it's just like
Speaker 1: like that sliding doors thing. She went on one little
Speaker 1: her childhood skewed and in her whole life even though
Speaker 1: she had quality at ease that that could be you know,
Speaker 1: for success, and but it just went down the wrong path. Yeah, Demitri,
Speaker 1: she could have been president. Think she's a really great
Speaker 1: organizer of people, places, money and things. I think that's
Speaker 1: why they actually said that, is because she was so smart.
Speaker 1: Not only was she so smart that she couldn't she
Speaker 1: didn't even finish going to school because after she was
Speaker 1: married at fourteen, then she tried to go back to
Speaker 1: she took a year off to be married to this guy,
Speaker 1: and then after she got divorced, she went back to
Speaker 1: school and tried and she was so ahead of all
Speaker 1: her peers that she was like, I can't do this.
Speaker 1: So she went got her g e. D. And then
Speaker 1: that's when she started her career in this and apparently
Speaker 1: she just was brilliant. Well, that's also a very common
Speaker 1: theme that people who are super intelligent have very high
Speaker 1: i q s, have low eques, or have a lot
Speaker 1: of mental illness. And it's obvious that she had an
Speaker 1: extreme business acumen and an extraordinary criminal mindset. But you
Speaker 1: have to be a genius to be able to get
Speaker 1: away with a huge operation like that for so long
Speaker 1: while on drugs. I mean, hello, yeah, I can a
Speaker 1: glass and a half of wine. Imagine yeah, yeah in
Speaker 1: the morning, and I don't have If I don't have coffee,
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do I tie my shoes? It's the
Speaker 1: rabbit like loop de loop. But the fact that you
Speaker 1: just showed us how to tie the shoes and you
Speaker 1: don't tie the shoes the same way that I do
Speaker 1: leads shows me how much younger you are the fact
Speaker 1: that you do too loops. That's how myself, I don't
Speaker 1: I swear I tie first and then I do a loop,
Speaker 1: and then I do a loop. But the part that
Speaker 1: also kind of made me sad as Lorie's Laurie end
Speaker 1: up saying any kind of drugs are always going to
Speaker 1: show up. I never wanted to hurt any one, it's all.
Speaker 1: It was all clean fun back then, and it's how
Speaker 1: I felt in the moment. We didn't see the harm
Speaker 1: and the way it destroys people the way you do now.
Speaker 1: And then they kind of show all of her friends
Speaker 1: that were destroyed by math and the relationship that were
Speaker 1: destroyed by math, and their kids, and I mean to
Speaker 1: me math, I mean to anyone. I think math is
Speaker 1: just so scary and frightening, and it's like fitting all
Speaker 1: these days, like it's so beyond you never know what
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get, and it's just, you know, it's
Speaker 1: interesting because as someone who has seen many people suffering
Speaker 1: from drug addiction, UM, I've received a few amends in
Speaker 1: my life, and I think that addiction at its core
Speaker 1: is really just part of feeling a rejection from your
Speaker 1: nuclear family and having this endless void that feels like
Speaker 1: it will never be filled with anything, and you replace
Speaker 1: it with anything more and more and more and more
Speaker 1: of anything, just to feel like you're loved. And it's
Speaker 1: really sad and it's really dark, and it's a family disease.
Speaker 1: It's not just one person's problem, because anyone who's around
Speaker 1: that person then suffers from whatever actions that person, UM does.
Speaker 1: And I can empathize with addiction, you know, because I
Speaker 1: understand how hard it is to overcome it if possible,
Speaker 1: um and live with it. And then I just I
Speaker 1: feel bad for people who never get sober or don't
Speaker 1: want to, and and I wish I didn't feel bad
Speaker 1: for them, But I just think that life can be
Speaker 1: so beauty full, and that a lot of people at
Speaker 1: addiction ruined their lives. And I think also, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people are self medicating because now I
Speaker 1: think people are talking about their mental health a lot
Speaker 1: differently than they were back when you know, she was
Speaker 1: the Queen of Math. And I think that it's becoming
Speaker 1: more open in schools and it's more common and you start,
Speaker 1: you know, people are there and it's more of a
Speaker 1: community where you can open up and discuss if you're
Speaker 1: struggling in that way or if you're struggling at home,
Speaker 1: Whereas before I just feel like everything was so hush
Speaker 1: hush and whatever. We'll just get through it, and then
Speaker 1: that's what ends up happening. There's just so much pain
Speaker 1: behind it and trauma, and I get that, and that
Speaker 1: makes me sad for people. But you know, it's interesting
Speaker 1: because addiction doesn't make someone a bad person. In this case,
Speaker 1: she also was a drug lord, so that's a different situation. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it's also interesting that she
Speaker 1: used a lot of the money for this like weird
Speaker 1: twisted philanthropy where she buy homes at auctions and fix
Speaker 1: them up and then use it as Section eight housing
Speaker 1: to help people. I think ultimately she wants to be
Speaker 1: a good person, but I think sometimes you're the way
Speaker 1: you were brought up or your past. It doesn't allow
Speaker 1: you to get out of your own way. But let's
Speaker 1: take a little break and then we'll come back and
Speaker 1: discuss Rachel DELTNDO fabulous and welcome back to Real Time Crime.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed the ad. Brain I know we did.
Speaker 1: You know guys, I'm excited to talk about this new
Speaker 1: case because I'm sure that maybe this is the first
Speaker 1: time that people are hearing about it, and I would
Speaker 1: like to shed light on it. So this case is
Speaker 1: about Rachel del Tondo, and if you haven't heard about it,
Speaker 1: the breakdown is that Rachel del Tondo, thirty three year
Speaker 1: year old school teacher. She goes out for ice cream
Speaker 1: with friends and that was her last night alive. She
Speaker 1: was dropped off in front of her home. Her friends
Speaker 1: saw her walk to the front door of her house
Speaker 1: by the way she did live with her parents, and
Speaker 1: then she was shot multiple times at close gun range
Speaker 1: and was killed and her body was discovered at the
Speaker 1: foot of her driveway. So her parents believed that Sheldon
Speaker 1: Jeter Junior, a then twenty year old former high school
Speaker 1: football star, was responsible for her death and for gunning
Speaker 1: her down at the foot of her parents driveway. Now,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of other obvious details that we're
Speaker 1: going to get into because he might not have been
Speaker 1: the only suspect, which is what the media would want
Speaker 1: us to believe. But also, you know, it seemed like
Speaker 1: a crime of passion, so we also had to look
Speaker 1: into her past a bit so. Rachel had an ex fiance,
Speaker 1: Frank Carapa. He was initially a person of interest and
Speaker 1: it has been confirmed since that he's definitely not a
Speaker 1: suspect in the murder. Even though they had a tumultuous relationship,
Speaker 1: they were dating for five years, never got engaged. She
Speaker 1: gave him a couple of to meet ums and deadlines.
Speaker 1: Finally they got engaged in Paris, but then he asked
Speaker 1: her for pre nup and her family got very upset
Speaker 1: about this, and so they called the engagement off. And
Speaker 1: by the way, the five years they were dating wasn't
Speaker 1: all roses. It was very on again, off again, and
Speaker 1: so by the time the engagement was called off, the
Speaker 1: thing's got a little sticky. If you can imagine still
Speaker 1: dating someone who you are now not engaged to anymore,
Speaker 1: goes and again. There was lots of on again, off
Speaker 1: again business, lots of jealousy and mhm. Some people believed
Speaker 1: that Frank was involved with the murder, and that is
Speaker 1: something that that was That was something that was said,
Speaker 1: but it is not true. Also, he had some sort
Speaker 1: of involvement in the police department. He was not part
Speaker 1: of the police, but he knew a lot of people there,
Speaker 1: and he was given a copy of the police report
Speaker 1: about the incident, and then days later it was anonymously
Speaker 1: leaked to the public, not about that incident. Days later,
Speaker 1: he was let's back this up, guy, so we don't
Speaker 1: get the thing. Um. Days later it was leaked that
Speaker 1: she had been out and about with Sheldon. That was
Speaker 1: my next sentence because I was like, you're like, um, pardon, yeah.
Speaker 1: So she was in a car with Sheldon when she
Speaker 1: told him that they were at a circle k and
Speaker 1: that the police only knocked on their door at eleven
Speaker 1: pm to see what was going on, and that you know,
Speaker 1: he had just reached out to her and needed someone
Speaker 1: to talk to and at the time, you know, he
Speaker 1: was seventeen. But the police report read that the car
Speaker 1: wasn't an abandoned parking lot, probably because they didn't want
Speaker 1: to get caught, and that the windows had been steamed
Speaker 1: up and the passenger seat was reclined all the way back,
Speaker 1: and that the police officers caught them at two in
Speaker 1: the morning. So that makes the story a little triggier,
Speaker 1: and that leads us into who is Sheldon Jeter. Well,
Speaker 1: first off, Sheldon Jeter is a star football player he
Speaker 1: was everybody you know, wanted to be him, date him.
Speaker 1: According to his his uncle, he was the man about town.
Speaker 1: I think what also, we need to preface the friend
Speaker 1: that Rachel was out with to go get ice cream
Speaker 1: was seventeen years old. She I think, just so we know,
Speaker 1: I think that she was infantilized because she still lived
Speaker 1: at home and was thirty three. And she said it
Speaker 1: was because she's quote unquote Italian and Italian families stick
Speaker 1: together until you're engaged and then you can leave the
Speaker 1: house or you're married. But I think if you never
Speaker 1: leave home, never live on your own, and you literally
Speaker 1: stay in the high school mentality, especially because she was
Speaker 1: a teacher exactly, so who knows what she was like
Speaker 1: in high school. Sometimes these people to see it as
Speaker 1: a second shot. Maybe she wasn't dating a star athlete
Speaker 1: when she was in high school, and now she's still
Speaker 1: in that high school atmosphere, like you said, and here
Speaker 1: comes this situation. But also I think when you start
Speaker 1: to see interviews with her mother, her mother was the
Speaker 1: one very against the prenup. And I mean I can
Speaker 1: speak for I mean, I don't I may be different here,
Speaker 1: but I'm totally fine with a prenup. I believe that.
Speaker 1: I mean I could just from speaking from personal experience.
Speaker 1: When my husband and I are getting serious and we
Speaker 1: started talking about marriage, he was like, he came from nothing.
Speaker 1: His parents, you know, his dad was in prison, he
Speaker 1: got sent back to Columbia Edwin, you know, essentially paid
Speaker 1: for his entire family from when he was fourteen on.
Speaker 1: So when we met started getting serious and he has
Speaker 1: a successful business, he was like, is there any way
Speaker 1: that you would ever sign a prenup? I'm so scared
Speaker 1: I've worked my entire life that will be married two
Speaker 1: years and then you'll take everything from me. Like there's
Speaker 1: just this fear. And because he was vulnerable and shared
Speaker 1: it that way, I was like absolutely, Like I I'm
Speaker 1: fine with that. And I think that if you know,
Speaker 1: even when the mom describes why she was excited that
Speaker 1: they got engaged, the reason she was excited was because
Speaker 1: it was a six carrot diamond, Like the mom obviously
Speaker 1: had money on the brain. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: after they break up, they're still hooking up her and
Speaker 1: Frank and then she also not only is this happening
Speaker 1: in the car with Sheldon, Then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: she starts allegedly hooking up with Sheldon's cousin. I was
Speaker 1: it a half brother or cousin. I think it. Ultimately
Speaker 1: they ended up saying it was he wasn't actually family.
Speaker 1: They just called him family. Oh god, this is getting
Speaker 1: so dark. But also on the night that she was
Speaker 1: with Sheldon, that is when Frank was with some buddies
Speaker 1: watching football and there were spirls there, yes, and there
Speaker 1: were a lot of girls there, and it made her
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable. So it seems like she was probably acting out.
Speaker 1: And she also told her friend this and told her
Speaker 1: never to tell anyone, and she was so upset. But
Speaker 1: she didn't say the part about sexual activity. And to
Speaker 1: be clear, she didn't tell the seventheen year old friend.
Speaker 1: She told her original friend that was her day made
Speaker 1: where they were all friends. When once Frank and Rachel
Speaker 1: started to like break up and be on again off
Speaker 1: again for the you know, five thousand time, she started
Speaker 1: distancing herself from her her friends from growing up. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very interwe it's so many different things.
Speaker 1: But I think ultimately she ended up losing her job
Speaker 1: because they allegedly the friend and told Frank about what
Speaker 1: was happening with Sheldon Frank got the information and then
Speaker 1: leaked it to her school. Right. They also said she
Speaker 1: had spent time in a mental institution three days. Come on,
Speaker 1: anyone could do three days in a mental institution. Also,
Speaker 1: I just want to be clear. I'm willing to sign
Speaker 1: a prenup for love good, but what I feel like
Speaker 1: that was an advertisement. But what's the butt? No, No,
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's older than seventy, I am not
Speaker 1: signing the prenup. I mean, I think it's to each
Speaker 1: his own on wanting to sign the prenup. But I
Speaker 1: do think it should be up to the person actually
Speaker 1: getting married. She wanted to marry him and sign a
Speaker 1: prenup and her parents would not let her. And I
Speaker 1: would understand that had she been protecting her money, but
Speaker 1: her parents wouldn't let her because they wanted to ensure
Speaker 1: that she could have his money. I mean, grant, once
Speaker 1: you're married, it's you're our money, whatever it is. I mean, granted,
Speaker 1: I still have separate bank accounts from my husband no
Speaker 1: matter how, which apparently is the key to success. As
Speaker 1: Barbara streisand I think it's actually wonderful because then we
Speaker 1: can make I love that we're Is that what what
Speaker 1: Babs does? Yeah, that's what they do, and she said
Speaker 1: that's a secret to their long marriage. Separate bank accounts,
Speaker 1: it's a game changer for us, like we obviously have,
Speaker 1: like the ones that we share for the kids and stuff,
Speaker 1: but being able to pick and choose what we want
Speaker 1: to invest in, spend our money on all that type
Speaker 1: of stuff, it's key. I gotta say, I'm taking notes,
Speaker 1: but my future of me and my seventy five year old,
Speaker 1: if I will not have a separate bank account, our
Speaker 1: money under the bed, I can't right now. You're just
Speaker 1: searching your She's on the webs over seventy looking for love,
Speaker 1: casting out a lot of lines here. I might be
Speaker 1: over the hill for most of those guys. Maybe Frank
Speaker 1: is available, Yeah, I should ask him. He seems like
Speaker 1: a great guy. Yeah. So that there's an incredible forty
Speaker 1: eight I love that. I'm like, incredible. There is a
Speaker 1: really good forty eight hours on Rachel Deltondo. I suggest
Speaker 1: that you watch it. And in closing, I know that
Speaker 1: we're running out of time, but should we just discuss
Speaker 1: the Scott Peterson of it all? First? Wait, yes we should,
Speaker 1: but also I would like for the record to show
Speaker 1: mm hmm that this past summer, Jeter was convicted of
Speaker 1: killing a different friend after a trip too of all things,
Speaker 1: go get ice cream again. Wait, so literally, Rachel went
Speaker 1: to go get ice cream it was closed by the way,
Speaker 1: and then came home and was murdered. Then Jeter and
Speaker 1: his friend who I guess he was living with at
Speaker 1: the time, they leave home together go get ice cream,
Speaker 1: and only Jeter returns. And it was almost two years
Speaker 1: of the day after Rachel was killed that another trip
Speaker 1: for ice cream ended in death, and this time it
Speaker 1: was Tyrek Pug, who Sheldon I guess considered family, but
Speaker 1: he murdered him and they found a gun. They found
Speaker 1: a gun under his mattress. Yeah, I mean he needs like, honestly,
Speaker 1: he needs more friends that are diabetics. But you know, um,
Speaker 1: they found the murder weapon has gone under his mattress.
Speaker 1: And when they examined the gun, they found the evidence
Speaker 1: from the crime scene and linked it to the weapon
Speaker 1: and said it was fired the rounds that was responsible
Speaker 1: for his friend's death. So this is how it's all
Speaker 1: coming unearthed. And I believe that they're going to find
Speaker 1: him guilty for the murder of Rachel as well. I
Speaker 1: believe so too, And you know what, you're right, let's um,
Speaker 1: let's head right into our final case. So Scott Peterson
Speaker 1: originally had the death penalty and now he has life
Speaker 1: in prison. So I feel like everybody knows the backstory
Speaker 1: on this case. I mean most everyone I know is obsessed.
Speaker 1: I've watched everything, read everything you possibly can. Also, if
Speaker 1: you're listening to our podcast, you like true crime, so
Speaker 1: you already know about this case, right, just love us
Speaker 1: because we're so cute. But what are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: switching it out from the death penalty to like what
Speaker 1: do you think you should be punished for? So I
Speaker 1: have to be honest, I'm not sure I've ever fully
Speaker 1: formed my thoughts on the death penalty. I don't know
Speaker 1: how I feel about people playing god, but also like
Speaker 1: who am I to say who can live and who
Speaker 1: can die? But you know, there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: who think a life for life and that makes sense. Um,
Speaker 1: I just haven't really made up my mind on it.
Speaker 1: I think that there is a different type of prison
Speaker 1: when you know that you're going to live forever in jail. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that's a death of its own kind, where
Speaker 1: you're just left with your thoughts and what you've done
Speaker 1: and thinking and trying to survive jail for the rest
Speaker 1: of attorney, knowing you'll never be able to leave. That
Speaker 1: sounds pretty horrible to me as well. Well, it's a
Speaker 1: prison of your own making. I think the part that
Speaker 1: you know, to my understanding, is really hard is the
Speaker 1: change for her family. Yeah, you know, to think one
Speaker 1: thing and then for it to shift to something else.
Speaker 1: And also just the heartbreaking nature in which the baby
Speaker 1: Connor was to all of the things. It's just I mean,
Speaker 1: I went so deep down searching this stuff. I mean
Speaker 1: I even found an Amber Fry on Instagram. She's not
Speaker 1: even private. I remember you sent her Instagram to the
Speaker 1: group chat. Thank you for that. Yeah, thank you, we
Speaker 1: needed it. You're welcome, you guys. She's on lots of
Speaker 1: yoga retreats, she's living her best I mean, but it's traumatizing.
Speaker 1: It's also traumatizing to see how many murders there has
Speaker 1: been in Modesta. Yeah, I mean it's interesting because, um,
Speaker 1: in the the Jeter situation, Rachel del Tondo, you know,
Speaker 1: they already had eight unsolved murders in the city. Of
Speaker 1: el Quipa, Pennsylvania. It's it's interesting to see that there
Speaker 1: are always a bunch of murders happening in the same city. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because then it, you know, it gives you all of
Speaker 1: those other things to search. And then there was other
Speaker 1: women coming forward and saying that there was a cult
Speaker 1: after pregnant women. Do you do you ever wonder that
Speaker 1: if someone who likes to commit crime sees that there's
Speaker 1: a city that's not finding criminals, that they move there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have enough enough research like that.
Speaker 1: I think they just have their they have their their
Speaker 1: oddities or their their psychoses or whatever they're like. They
Speaker 1: may find a town that's peaceful, or they may find
Speaker 1: a town where it's easier or where there's like you said,
Speaker 1: if if there's a certain type of person that they're
Speaker 1: going after. Well, so what do you guys think? Do
Speaker 1: you think that he deserves death penalty over life in prison?
Speaker 1: How do you feel about this decision? The part that
Speaker 1: really gets me is when he was having the affair
Speaker 1: with Amber before Lazy Ever went missing. I already know
Speaker 1: what you're gonna say. Like, before Lazy Even went missing,
Speaker 1: he told Amber, I am so sad because is this
Speaker 1: is my first Christmas without my wife. Two weeks later,
Speaker 1: she goes missing while she's while he's at her vigil
Speaker 1: or her candle lighting. He's talking to Amber and pretending
Speaker 1: he's in Paris. Like it's just so, I don't know
Speaker 1: my opinion rusally on the death penalty either, but I
Speaker 1: do know that switching it out, so that the family
Speaker 1: was already possibly making peace with one decision and then
Speaker 1: having to switch to a new it's probably heartbreaking for them, heartbreaking,
Speaker 1: But I don't know this just in Leah Elizabeth Holmes
Speaker 1: has been cast and it's not us? Who is it?
Speaker 1: Amanda Sea Freed? They call win that you didn't You
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Speaker 1: all the things we like, you guys, another crime another day.
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