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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Real

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Speaker 1: Time Crime. We love to see you are sexy social sleuths.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back today. We're going to be discussing the Lorie

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Speaker 1: Arnold case, Rachel del Tondo, Scott Peterson and more. And

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Speaker 1: with me I have my wonderful co host Teddy Meloncamp,

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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and sometimes Dmitri, who, by the way, mouthed

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Speaker 1: your intro. Teddy, I know, were you so excited you

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Speaker 1: thought I was gonna pause again? Didn't you know you

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Speaker 1: can do the thing that you Teddy Meloncamp, I actually

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Speaker 1: was trying something else out, but thanks for blowing my cover.

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Speaker 1: I felt like maybe something was wrong. I was just

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Speaker 1: checking in. You know what something is wrong? You guys? Like,

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Speaker 1: normally I'm researching crimes and I feel so therapeutic to me.

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Speaker 1: And I think because the holidays are coming up and

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Speaker 1: so many crimes are coming in, I like have anxiety

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Speaker 1: with how much has happened. Like my husband came in,

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Speaker 1: He's like, you don't look like you slept for days

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Speaker 1: the podcast, I'm like, I know, there's just so many crimes.

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Speaker 1: There's so much. I mean, it feels like it's tripling.

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Speaker 1: I agree, especially in Los Angeles. That's number one where

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Speaker 1: I think apparently now we're officially known as Gotham City,

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Speaker 1: some pretty bleak here in l A. But I think

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Speaker 1: we should talk about our first crime, which is the

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Speaker 1: fact that I'm not dressed as Elizabeth Holmes. What's the

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Speaker 1: what you had something else you had to do today

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Speaker 1: that you can wear a black turtleneck. Thank you. I

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Speaker 1: while I do want everyone to think that I only

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Speaker 1: wear black turtlenecks, and yes I do own fourteen of them,

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Speaker 1: I think that's actually starting to become a mental illness.

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Speaker 1: It's actually I have a black turtleneck for every occasion.

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Speaker 1: I've got a I've got a crop top black turtleneck,

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Speaker 1: I have a dress turtleneck. I have a sleeveless turtleneck there.

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Speaker 1: This is like you even have a mock turtleneck on currently. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, thank you. Well, that's me with hoodies every day.

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Speaker 1: I just can't. It's this is my this is my um,

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Speaker 1: this is my attire, this is my Elizabeth Holmes is

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Speaker 1: different hoodies and different colors. It works for you. I

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Speaker 1: just think that I think turtlenext frame your face well,

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Speaker 1: and we know because Galaine Maxwell, I almost said, jis Lane.

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with me? But that's what we want to

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Speaker 1: call her. We want to call her jis Lane. We

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Speaker 1: want to call her jis Lane. We we want to

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Speaker 1: call her a lot of things, especially after the additional

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Speaker 1: updates that we've been seeing on the trial, not really

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Speaker 1: from press, but yeah, but more of the story is

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Speaker 1: she also always wears turtlenecks for the most part, and

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Speaker 1: I think they just make you look sexier, and so

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Speaker 1: does Elizabeth Holmes. There's a theme here, and so maybe

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Speaker 1: I will become a criminal podcasts, I commit crimes when

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Speaker 1: I wear children. Next after you've had a couple of kids,

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Speaker 1: and it's some extra next like there is no like

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Speaker 1: I'm like this, but you know, speaking of crimes that

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Speaker 1: are mysteriously discharged, we've got O. J. Simpson. Why don't

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Speaker 1: you let me why it was I allowed to do

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Speaker 1: a segue because I felt like you were doing a

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Speaker 1: nice job of it. So continue on, Dmitri. I've never

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Speaker 1: seen you roll your eyes harder to just pop a

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Speaker 1: blood vessel in your eye. Okay, continue on with O J. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Teddy wants to kill me. They're gonna be there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be another crime on this podcast. Okay, so O J.

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Speaker 1: Simpson is once again a freeman. Also, that's already a

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Speaker 1: hilarious statement. He was discharged from his parole two months early,

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Speaker 1: years later lost a civil trial and he was ordered

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Speaker 1: to pay thirty three point five million dollars and damages.

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Speaker 1: So he technically was held accountable for the murders. But

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Speaker 1: for some reason that has just always been overlooked. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: So he was on parole and then released from prison

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Speaker 1: in two thousand seven, and his parole was scheduled to

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Speaker 1: end February nine. But on November thirty, the Nevada Board

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Speaker 1: of Pearl Commissioners held a quote unquote early discharge hearing

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Speaker 1: for Simpson after receiving a written recommendation from the Nevada

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Speaker 1: the board voted on unanimous release of Simpson and he

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you remember this, but he was

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Speaker 1: memorabilia at gunpoint. So, for those of you who are unfamiliar, Simpson,

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Speaker 1: who starred for the Buffalo Bills in nineteen seventies and

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Speaker 1: ex wife Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman.

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Speaker 1: I actually am always triggered by this because my legal

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Speaker 1: last name is Goldman, no relation. I just had to

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Speaker 1: make this about me somehow, thank you. And he pleaded

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Speaker 1: a hundred percent not guilty, of course, and then that's

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Speaker 1: when he was acquitted and then two years later lost

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Speaker 1: the civil trial. What do we think did he serve

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Speaker 1: his time with? He let off easy? What's our o

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Speaker 1: have met O J. Simpson. Uh huh, yeah, do you

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Speaker 1: remember the restaurant? I mean it might still be open COI.

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Speaker 1: It's on La Siennaga. It used to be like the

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Speaker 1: was there as well, And to me, this is a crime.

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Speaker 1: Without anybody asking. He just started asking people if they

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Speaker 1: not happening. He was just sitting at the table, arms wide,

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Speaker 1: So he was trying to be a mall Santa pretty much.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was so uncomfortable that and and everybody's like,

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Speaker 1: This is one of those times when sometimes Dmitri and not. Sometimes.

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Speaker 1: I remember the o J case because we all went

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Speaker 1: all times. Correct. But yeah, that that happened with o J.

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Speaker 1: I personally think, if you keep committing crimes, maybe you

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Speaker 1: Ted Bundy was there. I would have done it. He

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this about saying mass murderers were hot

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Speaker 1: Pomaski's death. Ah. I feel like the part that's very

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Speaker 1: person's report on May tenth, only after realizing that she

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Speaker 1: according to her friends. Right, And he was also arrested

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Speaker 1: showing lack of empathy for sure. I mean, failing to

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Speaker 1: let's let's take down. You know, I'm very open to

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Speaker 1: your Brian laundry conversations as long as they don't continue

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Speaker 1: she does it again, Ladies and gentlemen. Well, you know what.

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Speaker 1: Jana Douger breaks her silence following child dangerment, shares the

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Speaker 1: former reality star began in a statement on Tuesday, December

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Speaker 1: fourteenth via Instagram story. I prefer more private life, but

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Speaker 1: I know my last name means that everything we do

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Speaker 1: is open to public criticism and interest, especially during this time.

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Speaker 1: the children wandered outside alone. A passer by who saw

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Speaker 1: she was babysitting her nieces and nephews or her you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not ideal timing for her. And personally, I don't

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00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: used to be. But you know, that was a very

428
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Speaker 1: populated city and then there was still a ton of

429
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: drug use out in the open, and so in the Midwest,

430
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: same thing was happening, except there's not as much to do,

431
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: so more people were doing drugs. This goes back to

432
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: Teddy you said about the childhood and stuff. And this

433
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: is probably gonna sound sarcastic, but it's not meant to be.

434
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: And I usually preface that because normally I am being sarcastic.

435
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: But she she grew up with all that stuff that

436
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: she described, right, but she found like she was smart

437
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: enough she became his mastermind of the stuff. Now can

438
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: you imagine if she had a better upbringing and she

439
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: had that's those smarts and and that that thinking and

440
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: put it to something else. I mean, it's just like

441
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: like that sliding doors thing. She went on one little

442
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: her childhood skewed and in her whole life even though

443
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: she had quality at ease that that could be you know,

444
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: for success, and but it just went down the wrong path. Yeah, Demitri,

445
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: she could have been president. Think she's a really great

446
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: organizer of people, places, money and things. I think that's

447
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: why they actually said that, is because she was so smart.

448
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: Not only was she so smart that she couldn't she

449
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: didn't even finish going to school because after she was

450
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: married at fourteen, then she tried to go back to

451
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: she took a year off to be married to this guy,

452
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Speaker 1: and then after she got divorced, she went back to

453
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: school and tried and she was so ahead of all

454
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Speaker 1: her peers that she was like, I can't do this.

455
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Speaker 1: So she went got her g e. D. And then

456
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: that's when she started her career in this and apparently

457
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: she just was brilliant. Well, that's also a very common

458
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: theme that people who are super intelligent have very high

459
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Speaker 1: i q s, have low eques, or have a lot

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Speaker 1: of mental illness. And it's obvious that she had an

461
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: extreme business acumen and an extraordinary criminal mindset. But you

462
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: have to be a genius to be able to get

463
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: away with a huge operation like that for so long

464
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: while on drugs. I mean, hello, yeah, I can a

465
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: glass and a half of wine. Imagine yeah, yeah in

466
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Speaker 1: the morning, and I don't have If I don't have coffee,

467
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do I tie my shoes? It's the

468
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: rabbit like loop de loop. But the fact that you

469
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: just showed us how to tie the shoes and you

470
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: don't tie the shoes the same way that I do

471
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: leads shows me how much younger you are the fact

472
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: that you do too loops. That's how myself, I don't

473
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: I swear I tie first and then I do a loop,

474
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: and then I do a loop. But the part that

475
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: also kind of made me sad as Lorie's Laurie end

476
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: up saying any kind of drugs are always going to

477
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: show up. I never wanted to hurt any one, it's all.

478
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: It was all clean fun back then, and it's how

479
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: I felt in the moment. We didn't see the harm

480
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: and the way it destroys people the way you do now.

481
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: And then they kind of show all of her friends

482
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: that were destroyed by math and the relationship that were

483
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: destroyed by math, and their kids, and I mean to

484
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: me math, I mean to anyone. I think math is

485
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: just so scary and frightening, and it's like fitting all

486
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: these days, like it's so beyond you never know what

487
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get, and it's just, you know, it's

488
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: interesting because as someone who has seen many people suffering

489
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: from drug addiction, UM, I've received a few amends in

490
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: my life, and I think that addiction at its core

491
00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: is really just part of feeling a rejection from your

492
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: nuclear family and having this endless void that feels like

493
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: it will never be filled with anything, and you replace

494
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: it with anything more and more and more and more

495
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: of anything, just to feel like you're loved. And it's

496
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: really sad and it's really dark, and it's a family disease.

497
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: It's not just one person's problem, because anyone who's around

498
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: that person then suffers from whatever actions that person, UM does.

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00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 1: And I can empathize with addiction, you know, because I

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00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: understand how hard it is to overcome it if possible,

501
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: um and live with it. And then I just I

502
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: feel bad for people who never get sober or don't

503
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: want to, and and I wish I didn't feel bad

504
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: for them, But I just think that life can be

505
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: so beauty full, and that a lot of people at

506
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: addiction ruined their lives. And I think also, you know

507
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people are self medicating because now I

508
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: think people are talking about their mental health a lot

509
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: differently than they were back when you know, she was

510
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: the Queen of Math. And I think that it's becoming

511
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: more open in schools and it's more common and you start,

512
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: you know, people are there and it's more of a

513
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: community where you can open up and discuss if you're

514
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: struggling in that way or if you're struggling at home,

515
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: Whereas before I just feel like everything was so hush

516
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: hush and whatever. We'll just get through it, and then

517
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: that's what ends up happening. There's just so much pain

518
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: behind it and trauma, and I get that, and that

519
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: makes me sad for people. But you know, it's interesting

520
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: because addiction doesn't make someone a bad person. In this case,

521
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: she also was a drug lord, so that's a different situation. Um.

522
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it's also interesting that she

523
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: used a lot of the money for this like weird

524
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: twisted philanthropy where she buy homes at auctions and fix

525
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: them up and then use it as Section eight housing

526
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: to help people. I think ultimately she wants to be

527
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: a good person, but I think sometimes you're the way

528
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: you were brought up or your past. It doesn't allow

529
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: you to get out of your own way. But let's

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00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: take a little break and then we'll come back and

531
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Speaker 1: discuss Rachel DELTNDO fabulous and welcome back to Real Time Crime.

532
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed the ad. Brain I know we did.

533
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: You know guys, I'm excited to talk about this new

534
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: case because I'm sure that maybe this is the first

535
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: time that people are hearing about it, and I would

536
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: like to shed light on it. So this case is

537
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: about Rachel del Tondo, and if you haven't heard about it,

538
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: the breakdown is that Rachel del Tondo, thirty three year

539
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: year old school teacher. She goes out for ice cream

540
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: with friends and that was her last night alive. She

541
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: was dropped off in front of her home. Her friends

542
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: saw her walk to the front door of her house

543
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: by the way she did live with her parents, and

544
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: then she was shot multiple times at close gun range

545
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: and was killed and her body was discovered at the

546
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: foot of her driveway. So her parents believed that Sheldon

547
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: Jeter Junior, a then twenty year old former high school

548
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: football star, was responsible for her death and for gunning

549
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: her down at the foot of her parents driveway. Now,

550
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: there are a lot of other obvious details that we're

551
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: going to get into because he might not have been

552
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: the only suspect, which is what the media would want

553
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: us to believe. But also, you know, it seemed like

554
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: a crime of passion, so we also had to look

555
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: into her past a bit so. Rachel had an ex fiance,

556
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: Frank Carapa. He was initially a person of interest and

557
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: it has been confirmed since that he's definitely not a

558
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: suspect in the murder. Even though they had a tumultuous relationship,

559
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: they were dating for five years, never got engaged. She

560
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: gave him a couple of to meet ums and deadlines.

561
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: Finally they got engaged in Paris, but then he asked

562
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: her for pre nup and her family got very upset

563
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: about this, and so they called the engagement off. And

564
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: by the way, the five years they were dating wasn't

565
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: all roses. It was very on again, off again, and

566
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: so by the time the engagement was called off, the

567
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: thing's got a little sticky. If you can imagine still

568
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: dating someone who you are now not engaged to anymore,

569
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: goes and again. There was lots of on again, off

570
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: again business, lots of jealousy and mhm. Some people believed

571
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: that Frank was involved with the murder, and that is

572
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: something that that was That was something that was said,

573
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: but it is not true. Also, he had some sort

574
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: of involvement in the police department. He was not part

575
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: of the police, but he knew a lot of people there,

576
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: and he was given a copy of the police report

577
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: about the incident, and then days later it was anonymously

578
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: leaked to the public, not about that incident. Days later,

579
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: he was let's back this up, guy, so we don't

580
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: get the thing. Um. Days later it was leaked that

581
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: she had been out and about with Sheldon. That was

582
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: my next sentence because I was like, you're like, um, pardon, yeah.

583
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: So she was in a car with Sheldon when she

584
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: told him that they were at a circle k and

585
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: that the police only knocked on their door at eleven

586
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: pm to see what was going on, and that you know,

587
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 1: he had just reached out to her and needed someone

588
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: to talk to and at the time, you know, he

589
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: was seventeen. But the police report read that the car

590
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: wasn't an abandoned parking lot, probably because they didn't want

591
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: to get caught, and that the windows had been steamed

592
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: up and the passenger seat was reclined all the way back,

593
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: and that the police officers caught them at two in

594
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: the morning. So that makes the story a little triggier,

595
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: and that leads us into who is Sheldon Jeter. Well,

596
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: first off, Sheldon Jeter is a star football player he

597
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: was everybody you know, wanted to be him, date him.

598
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: According to his his uncle, he was the man about town.

599
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: I think what also, we need to preface the friend

600
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: that Rachel was out with to go get ice cream

601
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: was seventeen years old. She I think, just so we know,

602
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: I think that she was infantilized because she still lived

603
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: at home and was thirty three. And she said it

604
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: was because she's quote unquote Italian and Italian families stick

605
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: together until you're engaged and then you can leave the

606
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: house or you're married. But I think if you never

607
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: leave home, never live on your own, and you literally

608
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: stay in the high school mentality, especially because she was

609
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: a teacher exactly, so who knows what she was like

610
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: in high school. Sometimes these people to see it as

611
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: a second shot. Maybe she wasn't dating a star athlete

612
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: when she was in high school, and now she's still

613
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: in that high school atmosphere, like you said, and here

614
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,479
Speaker 1: comes this situation. But also I think when you start

615
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: to see interviews with her mother, her mother was the

616
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: one very against the prenup. And I mean I can

617
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: speak for I mean, I don't I may be different here,

618
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: but I'm totally fine with a prenup. I believe that.

619
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean I could just from speaking from personal experience.

620
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: When my husband and I are getting serious and we

621
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: started talking about marriage, he was like, he came from nothing.

622
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: His parents, you know, his dad was in prison, he

623
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: got sent back to Columbia Edwin, you know, essentially paid

624
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: for his entire family from when he was fourteen on.

625
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: So when we met started getting serious and he has

626
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: a successful business, he was like, is there any way

627
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: that you would ever sign a prenup? I'm so scared

628
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: I've worked my entire life that will be married two

629
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: years and then you'll take everything from me. Like there's

630
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: just this fear. And because he was vulnerable and shared

631
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: it that way, I was like absolutely, Like I I'm

632
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: fine with that. And I think that if you know,

633
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: even when the mom describes why she was excited that

634
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: they got engaged, the reason she was excited was because

635
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: it was a six carrot diamond, Like the mom obviously

636
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: had money on the brain. And then all of a sudden,

637
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: after they break up, they're still hooking up her and

638
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: Frank and then she also not only is this happening

639
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: in the car with Sheldon, Then all of a sudden

640
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: she starts allegedly hooking up with Sheldon's cousin. I was

641
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Speaker 1: it a half brother or cousin. I think it. Ultimately

642
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: they ended up saying it was he wasn't actually family.

643
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: They just called him family. Oh god, this is getting

644
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: so dark. But also on the night that she was

645
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: with Sheldon, that is when Frank was with some buddies

646
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: watching football and there were spirls there, yes, and there

647
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: were a lot of girls there, and it made her

648
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable. So it seems like she was probably acting out.

649
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: And she also told her friend this and told her

650
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: never to tell anyone, and she was so upset. But

651
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: she didn't say the part about sexual activity. And to

652
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: be clear, she didn't tell the seventheen year old friend.

653
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: She told her original friend that was her day made

654
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: where they were all friends. When once Frank and Rachel

655
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: started to like break up and be on again off

656
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: again for the you know, five thousand time, she started

657
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: distancing herself from her her friends from growing up. So,

658
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very interwe it's so many different things.

659
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: But I think ultimately she ended up losing her job

660
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: because they allegedly the friend and told Frank about what

661
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: was happening with Sheldon Frank got the information and then

662
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: leaked it to her school. Right. They also said she

663
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: had spent time in a mental institution three days. Come on,

664
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: anyone could do three days in a mental institution. Also,

665
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: I just want to be clear. I'm willing to sign

666
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: a prenup for love good, but what I feel like

667
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: that was an advertisement. But what's the butt? No, No,

668
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's older than seventy, I am not

669
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Speaker 1: signing the prenup. I mean, I think it's to each

670
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: his own on wanting to sign the prenup. But I

671
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: do think it should be up to the person actually

672
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: getting married. She wanted to marry him and sign a

673
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: prenup and her parents would not let her. And I

674
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: would understand that had she been protecting her money, but

675
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: her parents wouldn't let her because they wanted to ensure

676
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: that she could have his money. I mean, grant, once

677
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: you're married, it's you're our money, whatever it is. I mean, granted,

678
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: I still have separate bank accounts from my husband no

679
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: matter how, which apparently is the key to success. As

680
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: Barbara streisand I think it's actually wonderful because then we

681
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: can make I love that we're Is that what what

682
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 1: Babs does? Yeah, that's what they do, and she said

683
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: that's a secret to their long marriage. Separate bank accounts,

684
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: it's a game changer for us, like we obviously have,

685
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: like the ones that we share for the kids and stuff,

686
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: but being able to pick and choose what we want

687
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: to invest in, spend our money on all that type

688
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: of stuff, it's key. I gotta say, I'm taking notes,

689
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: but my future of me and my seventy five year old,

690
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: if I will not have a separate bank account, our

691
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: money under the bed, I can't right now. You're just

692
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: searching your She's on the webs over seventy looking for love,

693
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: casting out a lot of lines here. I might be

694
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: over the hill for most of those guys. Maybe Frank

695
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: is available, Yeah, I should ask him. He seems like

696
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: a great guy. Yeah. So that there's an incredible forty

697
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: eight I love that. I'm like, incredible. There is a

698
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: really good forty eight hours on Rachel Deltondo. I suggest

699
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: that you watch it. And in closing, I know that

700
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: we're running out of time, but should we just discuss

701
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: the Scott Peterson of it all? First? Wait, yes we should,

702
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: but also I would like for the record to show

703
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: mm hmm that this past summer, Jeter was convicted of

704
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: killing a different friend after a trip too of all things,

705
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: go get ice cream again. Wait, so literally, Rachel went

706
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: to go get ice cream it was closed by the way,

707
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: and then came home and was murdered. Then Jeter and

708
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: his friend who I guess he was living with at

709
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: the time, they leave home together go get ice cream,

710
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: and only Jeter returns. And it was almost two years

711
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: of the day after Rachel was killed that another trip

712
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: for ice cream ended in death, and this time it

713
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: was Tyrek Pug, who Sheldon I guess considered family, but

714
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: he murdered him and they found a gun. They found

715
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: a gun under his mattress. Yeah, I mean he needs like, honestly,

716
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: he needs more friends that are diabetics. But you know, um,

717
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: they found the murder weapon has gone under his mattress.

718
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: And when they examined the gun, they found the evidence

719
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: from the crime scene and linked it to the weapon

720
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: and said it was fired the rounds that was responsible

721
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: for his friend's death. So this is how it's all

722
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: coming unearthed. And I believe that they're going to find

723
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: him guilty for the murder of Rachel as well. I

724
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: believe so too, And you know what, you're right, let's um,

725
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: let's head right into our final case. So Scott Peterson

726
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: originally had the death penalty and now he has life

727
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: in prison. So I feel like everybody knows the backstory

728
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,959
Speaker 1: on this case. I mean most everyone I know is obsessed.

729
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: I've watched everything, read everything you possibly can. Also, if

730
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: you're listening to our podcast, you like true crime, so

731
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: you already know about this case, right, just love us

732
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: because we're so cute. But what are your thoughts on

733
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: switching it out from the death penalty to like what

734
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: do you think you should be punished for? So I

735
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: have to be honest, I'm not sure I've ever fully

736
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: formed my thoughts on the death penalty. I don't know

737
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: how I feel about people playing god, but also like

738
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: who am I to say who can live and who

739
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: can die? But you know, there's a lot of people

740
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: who think a life for life and that makes sense. Um,

741
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: I just haven't really made up my mind on it.

742
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: I think that there is a different type of prison

743
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: when you know that you're going to live forever in jail. Yeah,

744
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 1: you know that's a death of its own kind, where

745
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: you're just left with your thoughts and what you've done

746
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: and thinking and trying to survive jail for the rest

747
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: of attorney, knowing you'll never be able to leave. That

748
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: sounds pretty horrible to me as well. Well, it's a

749
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: prison of your own making. I think the part that

750
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, to my understanding, is really hard is the

751
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: change for her family. Yeah, you know, to think one

752
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: thing and then for it to shift to something else.

753
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: And also just the heartbreaking nature in which the baby

754
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: Connor was to all of the things. It's just I mean,

755
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: I went so deep down searching this stuff. I mean

756
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: I even found an Amber Fry on Instagram. She's not

757
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: even private. I remember you sent her Instagram to the

758
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: group chat. Thank you for that. Yeah, thank you, we

759
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: needed it. You're welcome, you guys. She's on lots of

760
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: yoga retreats, she's living her best I mean, but it's traumatizing.

761
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: It's also traumatizing to see how many murders there has

762
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: been in Modesta. Yeah, I mean it's interesting because, um,

763
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: in the the Jeter situation, Rachel del Tondo, you know,

764
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: they already had eight unsolved murders in the city. Of

765
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: el Quipa, Pennsylvania. It's it's interesting to see that there

766
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: are always a bunch of murders happening in the same city. Yeah,

767
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: because then it, you know, it gives you all of

768
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: those other things to search. And then there was other

769
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: women coming forward and saying that there was a cult

770
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: after pregnant women. Do you do you ever wonder that

771
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: if someone who likes to commit crime sees that there's

772
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: a city that's not finding criminals, that they move there.

773
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have enough enough research like that.

774
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: I think they just have their they have their their

775
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: oddities or their their psychoses or whatever they're like. They

776
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: may find a town that's peaceful, or they may find

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00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: a town where it's easier or where there's like you said,

778
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: if if there's a certain type of person that they're

779
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: going after. Well, so what do you guys think? Do

780
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: you think that he deserves death penalty over life in prison?

781
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: How do you feel about this decision? The part that

782
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: really gets me is when he was having the affair

783
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: with Amber before Lazy Ever went missing. I already know

784
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: what you're gonna say. Like, before Lazy Even went missing,

785
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: he told Amber, I am so sad because is this

786
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: is my first Christmas without my wife. Two weeks later,

787
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: she goes missing while she's while he's at her vigil

788
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: or her candle lighting. He's talking to Amber and pretending

789
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: he's in Paris. Like it's just so, I don't know

790
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: my opinion rusally on the death penalty either, but I

791
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: do know that switching it out, so that the family

792
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: was already possibly making peace with one decision and then

793
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: having to switch to a new it's probably heartbreaking for them, heartbreaking,

794
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: But I don't know this just in Leah Elizabeth Holmes

795
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: has been cast and it's not us? Who is it?

796
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: Amanda Sea Freed? They call win that you didn't You

797
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: weren't fully committed to your Black turnam was us? It

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00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: was not us who lose. The Dropout First look and

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Speaker 1: date announcement. Hulu has revealed a first looked at the

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Speaker 1: upcoming limited series The Dropout, starting starring Amanda Sea Freed

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00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: and Navien Andrews. Synopsis money, romance, tragedy, deception, sounds like

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00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: all the things we like, you guys, another crime another day.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to finish up for today, but next

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Speaker 1: week we are talking. I mean we have to keep

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00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: it the holiday spirit up. So we're gonna be talking

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00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: all things Christmas and New Year's Eve murders. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: we'll be sitting on Santa's lap a k O. J. Simpson.

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Speaker 1: We'll have him on the pod to discuss if we

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Speaker 1: can get a picture, Oh my god. Hilarious. And just

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Speaker 1: a little reminder, call us. We won't call you, but

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