1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Cool Zone media. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: This is it could happen here. I am not going 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: to El Salvador. It's not gonna happen, no way, No, 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: thank you, mister President. I'm Garrison Davis. I'm joined by 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: James Stout. 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 3: Hi. 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 4: Garrison. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: We're here to talk about possibly the most upsetting thing 9 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: I've seen in American politics in like the past six 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: months to maybe even I don't know viscerally had hit 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: me for like the past few years. Like yet what 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: happened on Monday in the Oval Office was is kind 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: of the most black pilt I've ever been, which is 14 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: not a great way to start an episode. 15 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it like it made me feel like I found 16 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three very hard, like going out and seeing 17 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 4: people freezing in the desert and then coming home and 18 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 4: some by knee ice cream on the on the timeline, 19 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 4: but like this was different. This was so like blatant. 20 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: There's like a level of like intentional depravity that you're 21 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: reminded of or more blatantly so and. 22 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 4: Like Bukes trolling of yes everyone. 23 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: So we're gonna be talking about an Oval Office meeting 24 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: between President Trump and El Salvador President Bukelea. I guess 25 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: I could learn his first name, Naive Buke. There you go. 26 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 4: You know he's Palestinian Salvadorre. 27 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: Are you fucking serious? 28 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 4: No, that's an emam. 29 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: I don't even have time for that. 30 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 4: It's just just fucking I'm sorry. If anyone's driving it 31 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 4: has had an accident upon hearing that. 32 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: So, as you probably know, recently, the United States government 33 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: has sent upwards of three hundred people immigrants to the 34 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: L Salvador Terrorism Confinement Center, This prison black site that 35 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: people never return from. I guess I could point to 36 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: for a pop culture reference, which feels a little bit 37 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: in bad taste, but you can point to like the 38 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: prison in the TV show and Or as being a 39 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: very comparable facility, frankly, except they turn off the lights 40 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: in and Or they do not turn off the lights 41 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 2: in Seacott lights around all the time. They put ten 42 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: to twenty people per sell. It's pretty bad. Jameson has 43 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: done episodes on Seacott in the past, will probably keep 44 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: doing more. 45 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 4: The lights thing, by the way, was a specific policy 46 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 4: change by Bouquele. There was a particularly violent weekend in 47 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 4: El Salvador, and as a result, he stopped letting people 48 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 4: who were detained for gang crimes go outside and stopped 49 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 4: building windows into the prison and just put the lights 50 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 4: on because a way of punishing, I guess the gangs 51 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 4: by punishing the people who are detained there. 52 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't go outside. They stay in their cell 53 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 2: for almost twenty four hours a day. They might occasionally 54 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: get thirty minutes outside, but that's not even confirmed because 55 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: no one's even allowed inside to see what's going on 56 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: in there. And we've sent upwards of three hundred immigrants there, 57 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 2: the majority, vast majority of which have no criminal record. 58 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: Even if you do have a criminal record, being renditioned 59 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: to a foreign a foreign prison camp is still bad. 60 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: But this is something that Trump hopes to expand on greatly, 61 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: and they are currently defending their ability to do so 62 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: in the court since it has been learned that a 63 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: few people sent there may have been partially sent by accident, 64 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: but the Trump administration is refusing to return these people 65 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: and is instead still trying to convince the public that 66 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: these are dangerous terrorists that deserve to be disappeared. So 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: let's kind of start with that main case. The case 68 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: that's receiving the most public attention right now is of 69 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: a Maryland man named Kilmayor Abrego Garcia, who's a subject 70 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: of a district court case that has been sent up 71 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court and then sent back to the 72 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: district court on whether this man can be returned home 73 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: to his US citizen wife and child. And then on 74 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: Monday April fourteenth, the Oval Office, meeting President Boukela said 75 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: that he will not return this Maryland immigrant with protected 76 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: legal status back to the United States, who Ice admits 77 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 2: was sent to Seacot based on a quote unquote administrative error, said, quote, 78 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: how can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? 79 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: Of course I'm not going to do it. The question 80 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: is preposterous unquote. The Al Salvador president also balked at 81 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: the idea of releasing Garcia from Seacott since he can't 82 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: have a quote unquote terrorist free in his country, lying 83 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: about Garcia being a criminal. I am going to play 84 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: a few clips in this episode because I think it 85 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: is necessary to listen to these people actually say the 86 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: words that they are saying, in the tone that they're 87 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: saying them, and the exact phrasing on these I think 88 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: is actually pretty important right now. So unfortunately, you are 89 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: gonna have to hear the voices of a few people 90 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: who you might not rather hear from, including the president 91 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: of El Salvador. So I'll play this first. 92 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 5: Clips can President big on this? 93 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: Do you plan to return him? 94 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 6: Well? Yeah, I'm suppose you're suggested that a smuggle terrorist 95 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 6: in today United States? 96 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: Right? 97 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 6: How can I smuggle How can I return him to 98 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 6: the latter It's like I smuggle him into the United 99 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 6: States or whether you do, of course. 100 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do it. It's like, let mean that 101 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: the question is preposterous. How can I smuggle the terrorist 102 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 3: in today United States? 103 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 6: I don't have the power to return him to the 104 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 6: United States inside. Yeah, but I'm not releasing I mean, 105 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 6: we're not very fond of releasing terrorists into our country. 106 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 6: We just turned the murder capital of the world to 107 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 6: the safest country of the Western hemisphere, and he want 108 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 6: us to go back into the releasing criminals so we 109 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 6: can go back to being the murder capital of the world. 110 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 3: And that's good. That's not going to be happened. But 111 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: they'd love to have a criminal, you know, with schedule. 112 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean there's there's a fascination. Yeah, these 113 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: are chick people. 114 00:05:54,040 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 4: It's just insane, Like the whole pretend any serious engagement 115 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 4: with reality there, it's just gone yeah. 116 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 2: And they're both like miming that neither of them have 117 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: the ability to make any kind of deal between each 118 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: other to send people back, even though they have the 119 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: ability to make a deal to send people there. 120 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, as they sit in the same room. 121 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: The whole time Bekayley's talking, Trump has like this, like 122 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: a growing smirk on his face. As Bekayley's talking about 123 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 2: this preposterous notion of smuggling a US immigrant back into 124 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: the United States despite the Supreme Court order to facilitate 125 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: the return of this immigrant back into the country. The 126 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 2: whole smuggling framing is obviously absurd, with him saying like 127 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: I don't have the power to return him to the 128 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: United States. All he needs to do is release him 129 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: from Seacott and the US can fly him back right 130 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 2: just as we flew him to El Salvador. Like the 131 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: two heads of state are sitting right next to each other. 132 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: They could agree to do this at any time, But 133 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 2: now everyone's pretending that that suddenly they don't have the 134 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 2: power to undo what they seemingly had the power to 135 00:06:59,000 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: do in the first place. 136 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 4: Like Bookeley has ruled and we're going to do a 137 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 4: whole episode of and like his rise to power and 138 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 4: then his use of power. But like he's ruled under 139 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 4: a state of exception for years in Elsabador, which allows 140 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 4: him to detain people without warrants, without trials, right, and 141 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 4: like it's that state of exception that is now the 142 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 4: norm there. And that's kind of what he seems to 143 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 4: be referring to, right, Like like we just get to 144 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: lock people up. Why would I not do that? 145 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: In effect, they are arguing that every single human being 146 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: that is sent to Seacot by the United States is 147 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: unable to ever leave the prison alive. Yeah, Like that's 148 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: basically they're saying, because they're saying both both parties, both 149 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: Trump and Bukel, are unable to have someone who's been 150 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: sent there returned. So they're just they're just saying like 151 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: no one's able to do anything, Like they're just stuck 152 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: there until they die, and like this is part of 153 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: the design of Seacot. Uh, the person who runs like 154 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: the Seacot like security has said that they do not 155 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: intend in any person ever being released from cat. You 156 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: are not designed to get out. You are stuck there forever. 157 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: No one's ever left there. Yeah, it's just where you 158 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: get disappeared, and that's that's all. That's all that it is. 159 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: And I think part of why they're so unwilling to 160 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: send Garcia back is because then you have someone like 161 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: the first person who's ever like gotten out and can 162 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: talk about what it's actually like in there, when you 163 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: don't have like Christinome and like propaganda cameras pointed at 164 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: at the prison bars. 165 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, Bukela is very redicent to really to anyone for 166 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 4: that reason, and like there are plenty of valigations and 167 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 4: like I think looks like Time magazine has publicist is 168 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 4: not huguely controversial that he made deals with gangs in 169 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 4: the past in elsabul or right to get them to 170 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 4: reduce the murder rate, and like he certainly wouldn't like 171 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 4: to hear that testify to certainly not in the United 172 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 4: States court, right, So, like he doesn't want people to 173 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 4: be released from there either, Like you said, they don't 174 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 4: want anyone to be able to go to any international 175 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 4: human rights courts and testify as to what happened to 176 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 4: them there. So it's kind of in his interest to 177 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 4: never have anyone be released. It's not just also, I 178 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 4: guess like in his interest, he's also being paid right 179 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 4: twenty thousand dollars per detainee per year by the United 180 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 4: States right now, so he also has a financial interest 181 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 4: in keeping people in there. 182 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: Even this per year deal makes now kind of makes 183 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: the zero sense because both of them are arguing that 184 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: there's no way to send anyone back, right, So, like 185 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 2: it's not that it's even like, oh, they're only going 186 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: to be there for one year. It's like they're just 187 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: they're just there, and like who knows if they're gonna 188 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: like still be alive by the time that some of 189 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: these people would be able to get out, whether that's 190 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: through the miraculous Donald trumpetpeachment of twenty twenty six which 191 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: will never happen, or like however, like these people are 192 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: just they are to stuck there because he's not going 193 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: to release them into his country. We are seemingly unable 194 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: to take anyone back from there, I think. 195 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 4: I mean unwilling right, Like the US is theoretically able. 196 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: It's argued that we're unable. As people get into more Yeah, 197 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: after this at break. 198 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 4: Okay, we are back. 199 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: One thing that we've seen across the Trump administration the 200 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: past eighty days or so. Something that we saw very 201 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: evident in this meeting is that whenever a single person 202 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: is asked a question about the outrageous, possibly illegal, possibly not, 203 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: but just immoral or evil things that are being done, 204 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: the first instinct is always to pass the buck onto 205 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: someone else. We saw this a lot with Signalgate, how 206 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: it was always someone else's faults. No single person could 207 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: get like hammered down of being like, okay, you are 208 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: the person that's going to be like accountable for this. 209 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: And throughout this Oval Office meeting, eventually they started taking 210 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: questions from journalists and reporters and propagandists who are in 211 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: the room. And you saw this trend of you know, 212 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 2: if someone asks Trump about what's going on, he passes 213 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 2: the buck to Stephen Miller, who passes the buck to 214 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: who then passes the buck to Mark Rubio. And it's 215 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: like this big circle of like everyone's just talking around 216 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: each other because no one really has the authority to 217 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: speak on what's going on or how to fix this 218 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: problem because they don't see it as a problem. So 219 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: instead they just talk in a circle. And I think 220 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: Miller was one of the most effective at this and unfortunately, 221 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: we're going to play the longest clip in this episode, 222 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: just under two minutes from Stephen Miller, where he lays 223 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: out the Trump admins thought process and strategy behind what 224 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: they are doing. And I apologize for this, but it 225 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: is useful to hear from Himmler two. 226 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 4: So here here we go, with respect to you. 227 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 5: He's a citizen of El Salvador, so it's very arrogant, 228 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 5: even for American media to suggest that we would even 229 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 5: tell El Salvador how to handle their own citizens as 230 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 5: a starting point. As two immigration courts found that he 231 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 5: was a member of Mster Tank. When President Trump declared 232 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 5: MS thir Team to be a foreign terrorist organization, that 233 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 5: meant that he was no longer eligible under federal law, 234 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 5: which I'm sure you know you're very familiar with, the 235 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 5: iona that he was no longer eligible for any form 236 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 5: of immigration relief in the United States. So he had 237 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 5: a deportation order that was valid, which meant that under 238 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 5: our law he's not even allowed to be present in 239 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 5: the United States and had to be returned because of 240 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 5: the foreign terrorist designation. This issue was then by district 241 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 5: court judge completely inverted and a district court judge tried 242 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 5: to tell the administration that they had to kidnap a 243 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 5: citizen of El. 244 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 3: Salvador and fly back here. 245 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 5: That issue was raised to the Supreme Court, and the 246 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 5: Supreme Court said the District court order was unlawful and 247 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 5: its main components were reversed nine zero, unanimously stating clearly 248 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 5: that neither Secretary of State nor the President could be 249 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 5: compelled by anybody to forcibly retrieve a citizen of El 250 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 5: Salvador from Al Salvador, who again is a member of 251 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 5: MS thirteen, which is I'm sure you understand, rapes, little girl, girls, murders, 252 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 5: woman murder's children, is engaged in the most barbaric activities 253 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 5: in the world. And I can promise you if he 254 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 5: was your neighbor, you wouldn't move right away, So you 255 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 5: don't think. 256 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 3: And what was r and the Supreme coach safe was 257 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 3: at nine to nothing. Yes, it was a nine zero 258 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: in our favor, in our favor against. 259 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 5: The Juici Court ruling saying that no court has the 260 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 5: power to the telele foreign policy function of the United States. 261 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: As PAM said, the rulers solely stated that if this individual. 262 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 5: El Salvador sole distress was set back. 263 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 3: To our country that we could deport him a set 264 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: in the top. 265 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 5: No version of this. 266 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 3: Legally ends up with an ever living. 267 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 5: Here because he is a citizen of Al Savador, that 268 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 5: is the president of Al Sadidor. 269 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 7: Your question about for the court can only. 270 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 3: Be directed to Tennant. 271 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: So there's a lot there. Yeah, I think I'm going 272 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: to start with I can promise you if he was 273 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: your neighbor, you would move right away. And I think 274 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: that is really the heart of what the Strump administration 275 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: is is doing, Like it's appealing to this most basic 276 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 2: like suburban crime, panic, fear, racism of well, if he 277 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: was your neighbor, you wouldn't want him living next to. 278 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 4: You, Yeah, like a vagos neighborhood kind of. 279 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: Well, just completely lying about like the context of this 280 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: case with you Miller saying it's arrogant suggest that we, 281 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: the most powerful country in the world, are used to 282 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: be before the tariffs can tell El Salvador how to 283 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: handle its citizens, falsely claiming that immigration courts deemed him 284 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: a member of MS thirteen, which just is not true, 285 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: talking about kidnapping him from Seacott to return him to 286 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: the United States, as if Ice didn't just kidnap hundreds 287 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: of people with no criminal records and send them to 288 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: a foreign goo lug and then also lied about about 289 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court ruling, saying they found the district court 290 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: order to return to Garcia unlawfel and grossly mischaracterizing the 291 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: scope of what the Supreme Court ruling was and how 292 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: it was sent back to the district court to work 293 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: with the details on facilitate the return actually means. And again, 294 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: I think like the one of the most telling parts 295 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: is how he ends by saying, quote, no version of 296 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: this ever ends up with him living here, And yeah, 297 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: like they're gonna look for any any way to like 298 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: make this test case to work, right and if and 299 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: if they if they can do this to someone with 300 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: protected legal status, who is not a who's not a terrorist, 301 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: who is not an actual MS thirteen gang member, right, 302 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: this is this is kind of ideal for them because 303 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: that means they can paint anybody as as a foreign 304 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: policy threat enough to be sent to a foreign goolag. 305 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: Then at the very end of the clip, he passes 306 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: the buck off to to Bouquetlight to have to have 307 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: him answer this question again perfectly laying out their strategy. 308 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 4: There's a lot to break down in what military It's 309 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 4: also just kind of interesting cambillary is like amongst the press, 310 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 4: He's not one of the people like sat on the 311 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 4: couch is supposed to be giving the press conference. Right, 312 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 4: he just kind of wades in too. I guess like 313 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 4: like offer this opinion and kind kind of like be 314 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: the kind of embassy of this of their response, I 315 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 4: guess in a sense, I think crucially, like Abergo Garcia's 316 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 4: protection was from being returned to El Salvador, right, because 317 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 4: he had been harassed by gang members when leaving El 318 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 4: Salvador and when living in El Salvador. 319 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: He's lived in the States since twenty eleven, and he 320 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: left El Salvador to flee harassment and abuse from gang members. 321 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, the gangs that he's been accused of being a 322 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 4: part of. But like it then follows that, like it 323 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 4: would be legal for them to deport him to a 324 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 4: third country, right, and that is the path that they've 325 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 4: followed with all the Venezuelan migrants. Right, They've accused him 326 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 4: of being members of Trend de Ragua. I have not 327 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 4: seen a compelling case made that any of them are yet. 328 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 4: I'm sure people from Trend de Ragua have come to 329 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 4: this country, but they have not provided any evidence that 330 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 4: the people they have sent to say God, are those people. 331 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: No, Like we've had like fourteen people are like accused 332 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: of some kind of like violent crime like murder or rape, 333 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: and in the other like two hundred and seventy five 334 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: do not have a criminal record whatsoever. 335 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the bulk of this is relying on some 336 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 4: kind of idea that they have entirely created from fiction, 337 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 4: that they are tattooing practices when one entered the raga. 338 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 4: And for them, right, even if they can't be returned 339 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 4: to Venezuela, they feel that they have this endraum which 340 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 4: is okay, we'll send them to a Salvador. But for 341 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 4: the Salbadarians, that's a different question, right, And that is 342 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 4: what they're trying to find here, And that is worrying 343 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 4: because the case here that is getting the most publicity, 344 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 4: that seems to be the one that the Supreme Court 345 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 4: has taken up is about the Salbadaran man. And I 346 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 4: hope that doesn't mean that like the ship has sailed 347 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 4: for the Venezuelans, right that essentially, Yeah, No, like they 348 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 4: don't have a case because that was the vast bulk 349 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 4: of them. I think there was only like sixty Salbadrean 350 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 4: citizens and the rest Venezuelans, no one. 351 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 2: Hundreds of people have been like forgotten in this After 352 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: Miller's rant there, Mark Rubio jumped in to state that, quote, 353 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: no court in the United States has the right to 354 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 2: conduct the foreign policy of the United stins States unquote. 355 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: And Steven Miller hopped back in to talk about this 356 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 2: Supreme Court case that they're falsely saying they won nine 357 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: to zero, which is not how that case went, and 358 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: they start talking more broadly about what can be allowed 359 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: if it has to do with the foreign policy of 360 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: the United States, and how the courts don't have the 361 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: ability to intervene in that process. 362 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 5: No, the foreign policy of the United States is conducted 363 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 5: by the President of the United States, not by a court, 364 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 5: and no court in the United States has. 365 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 3: A right to conduct the foreign policy of the United States. 366 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 3: It's that simple end of story. And that's what mister 367 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 3: Preme Court held. 368 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 5: By the way, has Barbara fort the Suterpeini Court said 369 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 5: exactly what Marco said, that no court has the authority 370 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 5: to compel the foreign policy function the United States. We 371 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 5: want a case nine zero, and people like CNN are 372 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 5: portraying it as a loss as usual because they want 373 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 5: foreign terrorists in the country who kidnap women and children. 374 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: Part of what I find so disturbing about this idea 375 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: of you know, no habeas corpus, no due process if 376 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: you aren't on foreign soil is that like this idea 377 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: of the courts having no jurisdiction over foreign policy decisions 378 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: means that as long as you whether you're a citizen, 379 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: whether you're a permanent resident to document or undocumented immigrant, 380 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 2: as long as you are forcedly removed from the United 381 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: States soil, your rights and your due process has been forfeit, 382 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 2: and the US has neither the obligation nor sometimes the 383 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: ability to return you to US soil if that is 384 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 2: their foreign policy interest. And this is such a troubling 385 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 2: broad concept that the portions of the courts are kind 386 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 2: of allowing them to claim right now, and the complete 387 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 2: removal of due process is like slowly getting encroached upon 388 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: at first with undocumented immigrants and green card holders, but 389 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: as we will see in the next section, they are 390 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: also absolutely going to be targeting US citizens. 391 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like we should just point out obviously 392 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 4: the court is not conducting the foreign policy of the 393 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 4: United States. It's ruling on the legality of the action 394 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 4: taken by the press, which is exactly what it's supposed 395 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 4: to do. Yeah. 396 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 2: And as it relates to your rights for due process 397 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: if you are in the United States. 398 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Like every single US person, right, US person 399 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 4: would be anybody who resides in the US, be they 400 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 4: documented or done, documented, migrant, citizen, what have you like, 401 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 4: has a stake in this. 402 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: We're gonna go on break and then come back to 403 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: discuss the expansion of the sea Cott detention program and 404 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: the possible targeting of US citizens. 405 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 4: Okay, we're back. 406 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: So on April seventh, a few weeks ago, while on 407 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 2: Air Force One, President Trump fild reporters that he would 408 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 2: be quote unquote honored for the President of Al Salvador 409 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: to take a US citizens quote unquote American grown and 410 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: born criminals and put them in sea Cott, the Terrorism 411 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: Confinement Center prison black Site, saying quote why should it 412 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: stop just at people that cross the border illegally unquote. 413 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: A few days later, the White House Presecretary reiterated that 414 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: this is something that Trump is discussing both publicly and privately, 415 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: and later during the April fourteenth Oval Office meeting, Trump 416 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: said that if Salvador was to build more of these 417 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: torture mega prisons, the United States would quote unquote help 418 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: them out. If the Trump administration could disappear more American 419 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: immigrants and US citizens to these prison black sites, well, I. 420 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 3: Pay for those facieties to be opened a few once 421 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 3: we're going to be built, I'd do something. We'd help 422 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 3: them out. 423 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 7: We help them think great facilities, very strong facilities, and. 424 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 8: They don't play games. I'd like to go step further. 425 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 8: I mean, I say I said it to Pam. I 426 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 8: don't know what the laws are. We always have to 427 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 8: obey the laws. But we also have homegrown criminals that 428 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 8: push people into. 429 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 7: Subways, that hit elderly ladies on the back of the 430 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 7: head with a baseball bat when they're not looking. 431 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 8: That are absolute monsters. I'd like to include them in 432 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 8: the group of people to get them out of the country. 433 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 8: But you'll have to be looking at the laws on 434 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 8: that state. 435 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 3: Okay. 436 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 2: So this is just the start of a long process 437 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: that is going to be deeply troublesome and worrying. And 438 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 2: again like this is something that they keep talking about. 439 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: I think they're still looking for some kind of legal justification, 440 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: or they're looking for something that maybe, if not allows 441 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 2: for this, explicitly prohibits this in a way that they 442 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 2: can't get around. 443 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, did you notice he called out Miller. He said, 444 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 4: you have to look at the laws and the Steve 445 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 4: obviously Miller is not the attorney general. 446 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: He also did mention Attorney General Pambondi. Pambondi, Yeah, who's 447 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: also looking into this option right now? 448 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 3: Right? 449 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 4: But Miller is often credited with being the kind of 450 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 4: mastermind between behind Title forty two, right, which was an 451 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 4: extremely obscure piece of public health law that was them 452 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 4: mobile by the first Trump administration to immediately return migrants 453 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 4: to Mexico without giving them their right to it an 454 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: asylum hearing, right, And like that's what I'm wondering if 455 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 4: they're going for again, Like Steve Miller has been very 456 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 4: good at this, at finding obscure justifications in the United 457 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 4: States federal law for shit that they want to do. 458 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 2: I think this is why they're definitely trying to stretch 459 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: this foreign policy claim as far as they can that 460 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: if it's if it's outside US soil, there's a limited 461 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 2: way US courts can actually interfere or undo things that 462 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 2: have already been done. And again, like the idea that 463 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: we're going to like fund the construction of even more 464 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 2: of these El Salvador mega prisons just to house American 465 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: grown and born criminals as well as immigrants, like we're 466 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: just funding like goolog camps on foreign soil to send 467 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: the undesirables to. And no matter how much Trump talks 468 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 2: about how we're oldly going to send quote unquote like 469 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: American criminals there, as we've seen with seacots so far. Like, no, 470 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: like the majority of people they are sending do not 471 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: have criminal criminal histories. I don't think anyone can trust 472 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: the Trump administration's definition of what isn't isn't criminal to 473 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: this extent anymore. Later in the same meeting, Trump reiterated 474 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: the same idea about sending you a citizens who his 475 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: administration deems criminals to this foreign black site. Here's another clip. 476 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 3: This is all question on a clarification. 477 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 9: You mentioned that you're open to supporting individuals that aren't 478 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 9: foreign aliens for our criminals. 479 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 3: To Al Salvador. Does that include potentially US citizens? 480 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 9: Fully naturalized immrated if they're criminals, and if they hit 481 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 9: people with baseball bats over the head that happened to 482 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 9: be ninety years old, and if if they rape eighty 483 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 9: seven year. 484 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: Old women in Coney Island, Brooklyn, Yeah. 485 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was. 486 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 7: Why do you think there's a special category of person. 487 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 7: They're as bad as anybody that comes in. We have 488 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 7: bad ones too, and I'm all for it. We have 489 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 7: others sort of negotiating with two. But no, it's if 490 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 7: it's if it's a home grown criminal, I have no problem. 491 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: He's really obsessed with baseball bats thing. I don't quite 492 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: know what that's about. 493 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 4: It seems like a specific case that he's referring to. 494 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 2: Maybe it's something he remembers like thirty years ago that 495 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: it really got stuck in his head. Right, But also 496 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: later he says that they're negotiating with other countries to 497 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 2: send US citizens to not just El Salvador. 498 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they've sent migrants, third country migrant to 499 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 4: Panama before, right, and detain them there. Honduras I believe 500 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 4: is building like a prison that's not dissimilar to Secord. 501 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 4: Like I'm be guessing this will be their sort of 502 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 4: way of courting allies in the hemisphere because they'll sort 503 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 4: of pay them a relatively large amount in order to 504 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 4: attempt to offshore people they don't like. 505 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, like as we've seen the past few 506 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: years and increasingly so now, the effort to label like 507 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: activists or people who are vocally opposed to the United 508 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 2: States foreign policy, the United States and the State of 509 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 2: Israel deeming them terrorists and then by extension, if you 510 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 2: charge them with the crime, then criminals. The idea that 511 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 2: they can be housed in a place like Sea cot 512 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 2: now with very very limited to no due process. The 513 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: whole due process question is still very up in the 514 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 2: air for how they're going to handle that aspect. But 515 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 2: you can't just take this as like, oh, you know 516 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 2: that that's just Trump talking, like, no, this is this 517 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: is something they really want to do. And it's like 518 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: one of the freakiest things that I've seen in like 519 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 2: domestic US politics in a long time. Earlier, Trump was 520 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 2: recorded half whispering to Makayla telling him that El Salvador 521 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: needs to build five more Sea Cought style torture prisons 522 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 2: to house US citizens, as Trump says homegrown criminals. Bukeley 523 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 2: replies that they will have enough room, and then the 524 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: entire Oval office laughs. 525 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, they said homegrowns. 526 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 8: Next, the home growns, you get a build about five 527 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 8: more places. 528 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all right. 529 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 2: It's the bleakest clip I've ever seen before. Yeah, talking 530 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 2: about homegrowns. Their next got to build five more places. Oh, 531 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: we have enough space. Everyone laughs. And then Trump shows 532 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: off the new gold frames for the portraits in the 533 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 2: Oval Office. 534 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a dinner party joke for them. It 535 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 4: might just be worth noting that, like every totalitarian regime 536 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 4: has housed its dissidents outside of the imperial core. Right, 537 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 4: like like Germany totally did this in the East, right, 538 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 4: Russia sent people to Siberia for Russia, so sobet Union. 539 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: Creating creating these like stateless zones where like the regular 540 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: laws of your of your like fatherland state do not apply, right. 541 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 4: And where the horrors are so far from the populace 542 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 4: that the populist can't really grasp them. Yeah. 543 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 2: No, this is like elementary school stuff. It says like 544 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 2: like the first thing you learn about is concentration camps 545 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 2: and gulags, and how that's like this symbol of evil 546 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: and now it's something you laugh about in the Oval 547 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 2: Office to send home growns to five disappearing torture camps. 548 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, and like, just to be like even clear, I 549 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 4: guess what distinguishes a concentration camp from a prison is 550 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 4: that there is no due process right. People are sent 551 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,479 Speaker 4: there because of who they are, not because of what 552 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 4: they did. 553 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: Like if you're a Venezuelan man who may or may 554 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 2: not have a tattoo. 555 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, like the way are I don't know what it 556 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 4: will take for some people to realize what's happening here. 557 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 2: And like the president of El Salvador is so on 558 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: board for this. 559 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he doesn't hide from that reputation, right, 560 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 4: he embraces it. His Twitter for a while had world's 561 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 4: Coolest dictator in the bio. I don't know if it 562 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 4: still does, like. 563 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: And like both him and Trump have openly aligned themselves 564 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: with quote unquote nationalism and nationalists. They're openly saying this. 565 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: Trump said dictator on day one. That wasn't just a 566 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: rhetorical device, that was literal. This is what he's doing. 567 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: The Alabita president told Trump, you have three hundred and 568 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: fifty million people to liberate, but to liberate three hundred 569 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 2: and fifty million people, you have to imprison some. And 570 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: you follow that up by saying that he is eager 571 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 2: to help with that, And I fat. 572 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 10: Mister President, you have three hundred and fifty million people 573 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 10: to liberate it. But to liberate three hundred and fifty 574 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 10: million people, you have to prison some. 575 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: You know. 576 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 3: That's the way it works, right. You cannot just you know, 577 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 3: free the. 578 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 10: Criminals and think. 579 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 3: Crimes are going to go down magically. Have to imprisoned them. 580 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 10: So you can liberate three hundred and fifty million Americans 581 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 10: that are asking for the end of crime and the 582 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 10: end of terrorists. 583 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 3: Many can be done, I mean, if you're doing it already. 584 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 6: So I'm really happy to be here, honored any anger 585 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 6: to help this whole. 586 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 2: Like liberation through imprisonment thing is elementary school stuff here. 587 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 4: You don't have to have a pH in the history 588 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 4: of the nineteen thirties to have someone tell you that, 589 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 4: like liberation of the chosen nation by purging of the 590 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 4: undesirables is fascist shit. But like I'm here with one 591 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 4: to tell you if that's what you need, you know, 592 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 4: like this is textbook stuff, like Garrison's saying, like this 593 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 4: is not debatable, Like I know, we spent the last 594 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 4: four years debating is Trump a fascist or not? I 595 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 4: don't think that matters hugely, right, like this is a 596 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 4: fascist thing. 597 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: It's so much more disturbing that now, according to like polls, 598 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: like half around half the population maybe a little bit 599 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: less just agree with the current way that deportations are 600 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: happening and Trump's immigration policy like on a completely like 601 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: flat basis. And if you spend any time on on 602 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: X the everything app, watching videos of of these press conferences, 603 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: it's full of people just like cheering this on completely, 604 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: like completely blankly. 605 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 4: I think that's a very skewed sample of people who 606 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 4: totally paid for Elon Musk. 607 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: Of course, of course, but like the number. 608 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 4: Of people, Yeah, it's real humans saying like these are. 609 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: Real people who just just completely completely blankly think this 610 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: is a this is this is a net good and 611 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: like this is those people are unreachable. You cannot come 612 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: back from that, like you is, there is no coming 613 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 2: back from that if you believe that the way depretations 614 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 2: are currently happening is fair, just and right, Like I 615 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: cannot understand you as a human anymore. That is so 616 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: like divorced and like alien. 617 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, you've gone past the point of no return, right like. 618 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: Liberals who like shield the who like shield their eyes 619 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 2: from like the horrors at the border. Like, I don't 620 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 2: agree with that, but in some ways I can understand it. 621 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 2: The open like cheering on of this right is like 622 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 2: a whole it's a whole other level. 623 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not like I can't bear to see it. 624 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 4: I'm gonna ignore it so it will cause me to 625 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 4: confront the no the contradictions. It's I'm seeing it and 626 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 4: watch again, and I think it's fucking great. 627 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 2: The last thing I'm gonna I'm gonna play here a 628 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: scene and reporter asked Trump if he would obey a 629 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: Supreme Court order to return someone to the United States. 630 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 2: Instead of answering this question, Trump attacked the reporter and 631 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 2: complained about how she wasn't praising him for deporting criminals. 632 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 5: You said that if the Supreme Court said someone needed 633 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 5: to be returned, that you would abide by that. You 634 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 5: said that on Air Force one just a few days ago, 635 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 5: and they said that it must facilitating. 636 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 8: Why didn't you just say, isn't it wonderful that we're 637 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 8: keeping criminals out of our country? 638 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 3: Why can't you just say that, why do you. 639 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 8: Go over and over and that's why nobody watches you anymore? 640 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 3: You know you have no credibility. 641 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: Please go ahead, Yeah, mad, very textbook authoritarian like blanket 642 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 2: stuff like there's there's nothing to like commentate about that. 643 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: It just is what it is. I guess we do 644 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: have some breaking news because we're recordings on Tuesday. James 645 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: wanna want to, impossibly five minutes or less, fill us 646 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: in about the the update from the from the District 647 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 2: Court on Garcia's case since it was sent back to 648 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 2: the to the District Court from the Supreme Court last 649 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 2: week regarding his possible facilitated return to the United States. 650 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 4: Right, so much of this has hinged over what facies means. Right, Like, 651 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 4: they found the legal concept that they can argue ad 652 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 4: nauseum and in this case it's the word facilitate. The 653 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 4: DOJ didn't present a new information today, but we see 654 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 4: that there's some hopeful things on a district court judge 655 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 4: and then it kind of all goes up in flames. 656 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 4: But I think genius is x I and I S 657 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 4: is how the name is spelled. I believe it's genius 658 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 4: said that every day that he's there is a day 659 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 4: of further irreparable harm. And she talks about the process 660 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 4: being at the roots of the constitution. Right, She's ordered 661 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 4: for like two weeks more of discovery, which is going 662 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 4: to mean that both sides have more time to repair 663 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 4: their cases. Right. She wants people to testify in front 664 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 4: of the court. She is so the administration has argued 665 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 4: that facilitating his return would consist of them allowing him 666 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 4: to enter the United States if Buke released him, and 667 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 4: possibly providing a flight for that to happen, but not 668 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 4: crucially ensuring his release from SECOD. Right, and so anything 669 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 4: else going to that doesn't matter. Ginis said that like 670 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 4: their interpretation of the word flies in the face of 671 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 4: the plain meaning of the word. Quote, when a wrong 672 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 4: fear removed individual is uh. And then I'm adding to 673 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 4: the quote here I guess or context. She means, when 674 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 4: a wrong fe remove individual is taken outside the US, 675 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 4: it's not so cut and dried that all you have 676 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 4: to do is remove obstacles domestically. She also said, quote 677 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 4: to the Department of Justice here, you made your jurisdictional arguments, 678 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 4: you made your venue arguments, you made your arguments on 679 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 4: the merits you lost This is now about the scope 680 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 4: of the remedy. Right, this is a case that Miller 681 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 4: is claiming they want that's pretty unequivocal for a justice. However, 682 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 4: she does not seem to think that it is within 683 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 4: her power to request his return from El Salvador. So 684 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 4: she's calling for things to move quickly. Right, they want 685 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 4: to conduct depositions about twenty third of April, she said, 686 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 4: quote council vacations, council over appointments. I'm usually pretty good 687 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 4: about it. Not this time. I'm going to be available 688 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 4: if you need to do it odd hours or weekends. 689 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 4: That's what I'm talking about. Like anything short of a 690 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 4: judge saying you have to go to SECOT, remove him 691 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 4: from the cell, put him on the plane, and bring 692 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 4: him back to America is going to be interpreted by 693 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 4: the Trump administration to mean that they don't have to 694 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 4: do that. 695 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going to weasel their way around it, the 696 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: same way you heard Steven Miller weasel his way around 697 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,479 Speaker 2: every question, and with with truth being used as a 698 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 2: as a flexible medium. Yeah, to shape a sculpture of 699 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 2: their choosing. And like they've done that, right, the word facilitate. 700 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 2: I think most people who are first language English speakers 701 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 2: have a fairly good grasp with what that means, and 702 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean like remove barriers domestically, that's what they've 703 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 2: gone for. The only way that he is getting out 704 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 2: it's a majority Supreme Court decision that is extremely explicit 705 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 2: that directs the Trump administration to go to El Salvadore 706 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 2: and remove him from that prison. I haven't seen anything 707 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 2: to indicate that we're getting that anytime soon. And as 708 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: the judge said, right every day he's there, he's a 709 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 2: reparable harm is done to him. And that's where we're 710 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 2: at right now, right with people arguing over the definition 711 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 2: of a word, as hundreds of people are locked up 712 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 2: having done nothing wrong in a giant torture prison. And 713 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 2: this is not the only person who we believe was 714 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 2: quote unquote mistakenly sent other supporting today coming out of 715 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 2: documented New York. 716 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, good outlet. 717 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 2: By the way, a father of a nineteen year old 718 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 2: legal legal immigrant from Brooklyn. This nineteen year old with 719 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 2: no tattoos, was kidnapped off the streets of New York. 720 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 2: The quote from his father reads, quote the officers grabbed 721 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 2: him and two other boys right at the entrance to 722 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 2: our building. One said, no, he's not the one, like 723 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 2: they were looking for someone else. 724 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 4: One officer to be clear, correct, Yeah, but. 725 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 2: The other officer said take him anyway, unquote. And now 726 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: this father, exactly a month later, is still looking for 727 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 2: his miss son, who is disappeared into a Nel Salvador 728 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 2: torture prison. 729 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jesus. Like I've said before on this show, like 730 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 4: one of the things that I learned in the Darien 731 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 4: Gap was how much people can care about their kids, 732 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 4: and like this shit that I saw people do to 733 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 4: ensure that kids had a better life, like broke my 734 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 4: heart in a way. That war hasn't that like anything 735 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 4: else I've seen in my life hasn't. And it's like 736 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 4: honestly really hard for me to hear stuff like that 737 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 4: and and like not react just being really sad or 738 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 4: really angry, like it's fucking brutal. 739 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 2: Things are looking a lot more grim in my mind 740 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 2: than they were when we recorded that Should You Leave 741 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 2: the United States episode. I still think the things I 742 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 2: said there I stand by, and I stand by the 743 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 2: only recommendation I have is to create options for yourself, 744 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 2: and I think those options should be created as soon 745 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 2: as possible, especially if you're sittingship is a topic of 746 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 2: debate according to the United States government, But even that 747 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 2: will not keep you safe, as we've as we've talked 748 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 2: about it today. 749 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 4: And your options include creating networks to take care of 750 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 4: one another. Right, Like, the things that will probably affect 751 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 4: more of you than direct state violence are economic downturns, 752 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 4: are recessions, right, things like this, like those are things 753 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 4: that you can take care of one another through, and 754 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 4: like you should plan to do that too. You should 755 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 4: you should think about how you're going to pay your bills, 756 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 4: how you're going to feed each other, how you're going 757 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 4: to take care of your medical needs. Because I don't 758 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 4: think that the world is going to want to keep 759 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 4: doing business with the country that acts like this, and 760 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 4: both economically and in terms of its conduct towards migrants. 761 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 4: So like, your plans don't have to be to leave, 762 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 4: like your plans should also include what to do if 763 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 4: things get really bad, like in an economic sense. I'm 764 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 4: not going to tell you what that means, but it's 765 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 4: all we've already talked about, raids, mutual aid, It's all 766 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 4: the basic preparedness stuff that is not as big and 767 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 4: scary as leaving the country, but is nonetheless like vital. 768 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 2: We will continue to report on the Garcia case other 769 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 2: court cases regarding these three hundred people renditioned to El 770 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 2: Salvador and Seacat in the next few weeks. 771 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, just to finish up. As things continue to get worse, 772 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 4: people keep reaching out to us, which we appreciate. 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