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Speaker 1: We heard Commissioner Rob Manfred mentioned realignment on Sunday Night

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Speaker 1: Baseball when the Mets were playing, So that's what we're

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Speaker 1: National League East as we know it will not look

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Speaker 1: the same when this happens. So we're gonna talk through

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Speaker 1: all the proposals, all the ideas, all the thoughts and

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Speaker 1: reasoning behind realignment, as we always do on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: subscribe all that good stuff. I don't necessarily love realignment

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Speaker 1: or expansion. I don't think baseball needs it, but it

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Speaker 2: Based on what Rob Manford said, I like expansion more

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Speaker 2: should be expanding, any successful business should be expanding. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely don't want Major League Baseball to turn

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Speaker 1: There's a conversation be had because if there are new

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Speaker 1: No, I'm on this one American league. National League needs

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Speaker 1: That is the best division that has ever happened in

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Speaker 2: That's the group of death in the World Cup.

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Speaker 1: Like you are taking four of the biggest spenders for

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Speaker 2: And it would be a real competitive balance issue. There

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Speaker 2: to the Jim Bowling proposaler is one by Fox Sports.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the TV money actually matters for a

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Speaker 2: No, definitely not, which is the thing that's holding back

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Speaker 2: That's why I did like Steven Nesbi's proposal a lot.

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Speaker 2: That's Mets, Phillies, Pirates, Nationals, the NL West, Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Padres, Giants,

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Speaker 1: Should these organizations, once they get approved, should they be

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Speaker 2: But I don't think would be like Mark Vento's and

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Speaker 1: It's definitely like something that I would love to talk

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Speaker 1: more in depth about, like almost go through rosters and

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Speaker 1: be like based on the old protection rules, like who

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Speaker 1: are the picks?

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Speaker 2: I think that would be a lot of fun. This

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Speaker 2: could be an idea for something, right like we do

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Speaker 2: a supposed fantasy draft like this. I've got a pretty

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Speaker 2: good idea where that cas that's a good concetant. We

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Speaker 2: should take that one. But again, like the crux of

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Speaker 2: these conversations, right now is that I think that there's

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Speaker 2: fear of the dissolution of the American League nationally, which

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Speaker 2: I think ultimately what we wanted to talk about, and

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Speaker 2: that is my biggest worry is I think that's what

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Speaker 2: makes baseball different than all these other sports and also awesome.

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Speaker 2: And we know that Rob Manford does have this little

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Speaker 2: bit of an obsession with the NBA. He kind of

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Speaker 2: recites a lot of things the NBA does a lot,

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Speaker 2: and I think that in a lot of the ways,

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Speaker 2: the NBA is tremendous league, but I think there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of the ways that the NBA has kind of

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Speaker 2: missed the mark lately as well, Like the NBA has

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Speaker 2: totally devaled the regular season. Major League Baseball sadly seems

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Speaker 2: like they're getting towards that point as well with the

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Speaker 2: way we've expanded the playoffs and could again.

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Speaker 1: And we also with the with the expansion and realignment,

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Speaker 1: you probably go to eight teams in every league that

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: That puts you out. One quarter of the league makes

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, right or no?

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Speaker 1: No, that would be happy to sixteen sixteen, Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: would be half the league makes the playoffs, which is

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Speaker 1: way more than already is. But they're gonna do that

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Speaker 1: because they want the TV deals, they want those games.

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Speaker 1: The format basically means that every team's probably playing in

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Speaker 1: the first round like we had in the COVID playoffs

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Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, kind of devalues the regular season a

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Speaker 1: little bit more there too.

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Speaker 2: And the question is then if you also do the

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Speaker 2: NBA model where you then extend every single playoff series

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Speaker 2: to seven games, which, of course you will do that

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Speaker 2: to maximize your revenue. I think a beauty of baseball.

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Speaker 2: Some people hate this. Shout out the Braves fans and

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Speaker 2: the Phillies fans and Dodgers fans. It's fun to have upsets.

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes people like I want the best teams

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Speaker 2: playing in the World Series. I sometimes I do as well,

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Speaker 2: But I think that I don't know, like watching that

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Speaker 2: Diamondbacks team going to run that they probably would not

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Speaker 2: have been able to go on if every series with

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Speaker 2: seven games is fun, something like the Mets last year.

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Speaker 2: I think, if that Mets Philly series goes seven games

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Speaker 2: last year, don't hit me in the comments, guys, because

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Speaker 2: chance Mets might have lost that series. I've had their

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Speaker 2: chance at least, and if it was five games, we

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Speaker 2: won with a game to spare, So I do think

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Speaker 2: that and that's what the NBA used to be. And you,

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Speaker 2: of course you're never going to hand money back, no,

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Speaker 2: like go from a seven game series to a five

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Speaker 2: game series. But those first I know, I don't think

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Speaker 2: we have a lot of crossover super diehard NBA fans

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Speaker 2: in the Mets sub circle. Those first round NBA playoff

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Speaker 2: series are the worst.

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Speaker 1: Yeah unless Nick and we get every team every time

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Speaker 1: in the first round no matter what.

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Speaker 2: Or we just play down to the Pistons. But it's

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Speaker 2: just like those, like watching some of those Western Conference

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Speaker 2: series and people are like so high pretending to be

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Speaker 2: hyped up for these like content greats. I'm like, guys,

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Speaker 2: this is not serious, like literally wake me up at

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Speaker 2: the end, Like I think football.

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Speaker 1: Gotta watch Timberwolves, Pelicans, gotta lock in for that.

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Speaker 2: This is some of the funniest branding the NFL does

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Speaker 2: relative to other sports. They champion parody. We champion parody

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Speaker 2: where it's like, oh my god, look at the different

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Speaker 2: play off teams you have every year, but every single

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Speaker 2: year you get to the final four is the same

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Speaker 2: four quarterbacks like it does like you never that's not

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Speaker 2: football is the least parody parody sport. The NBA is

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Speaker 2: even better parody. Now if the NBA has now gotten

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Speaker 2: to the same teams every year, like baseball has that

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Speaker 2: parody because of the chaoticness and randomness of our playoff matchups,

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Speaker 2: I think that is well some it is kind of stupid.

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Speaker 2: It's also kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Unfortunately, change is coming and it doesn't again, really

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Speaker 1: matter what our opinion on it is.

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Speaker 2: It's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt it is going to happen, because theoretically

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Speaker 1: there's a way that it doesn't. But Rob Manford seems

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Speaker 1: pretty steadfast strong on this. Also, the timing is really

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Speaker 1: really interesting too, because it's right before football season starts too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, against against start going to talk on it. But

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Speaker 2: it's also again, I'm not against expansion. I'm against if

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Speaker 2: expansion leads to the nbaification of Major League Baseball. That's fair.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I I like expansion because I think it's fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm against it because I don't know how it's gonna work,

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Speaker 1: that's truthfully, And if you can give me a good plan,

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Speaker 1: I'm in. I just I don't know how these teams

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Speaker 1: have a shot.

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Speaker 2: If we let Steven Thats been handle expansion, not Jimbo,

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Speaker 2: then I think we're good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm totally in on that that. If that was

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what would happen so personal relationships

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Speaker 2: I would lose my fucking mind.

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Speaker 1: I can't handle that. I don't think any of those

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Speaker 1: fan bases can't handle that.

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Speaker 2: Those are four of the.

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Speaker 1: Most expensive teams in the entire sport playing each other

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Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen to fifteen times a years.

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Speaker 2: Insane. I also think if the Mets were in the

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Speaker 2: American League, our dads would throw up yoh, for sure

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Speaker 2: at the concept of that this is where we're mad

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Speaker 2: or mad you bring the Yankees to the National League.

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Speaker 2: That'd be awesome. I'd do I would do it if

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Speaker 2: we got to do that. But like I love the

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Speaker 2: old school league stuff, like that's a fun, weird funk

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Speaker 2: caveat about baseball. I think that's a cool thing. We

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Speaker 2: have fox up all the records and shit too. But

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Speaker 2: the NFL did that right, They maintained the AFC, NFC,

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Speaker 2: they kept that shit set. I think that that's a

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Speaker 2: good model to look at. Cowboys are in the NFC East, right, yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: But that's I understand with man Ford saying about that

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Speaker 2: playoff matchup, but like he doesn't care about the wear

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Speaker 2: and tearing these players on planes. Absolutely not the last

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Speaker 2: tea he cares about it.

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Speaker 1: I'll also say that too. I love the example of

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Speaker 1: Anaheim Boston. Anaheim hasn't made the playoffs in the decade.

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Speaker 1: Gas give them some shine, like can say the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: said that, couldn't say the Maritors Like the Maritors would

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Speaker 1: have been a great one. And that is truly out

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Speaker 1: of all the teams in baseball, they are by and

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Speaker 1: far the largest getting screwed over with travel everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Like it's kind of the same the mess I've had

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Speaker 2: playoff series, three series against the Dodgers, four playoff series

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Speaker 2: against the Dodgers, Padres Giants in this century, Like it

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Speaker 2: happens all this money, It happens all the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he always make the playoffs that much.

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Speaker 1: So Anaheim is not a big market either, Like, way

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Speaker 1: to pick a small market team too, No, Like I

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Speaker 1: remember the twenty fifteen ts, like, we're watching those mess

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Speaker 1: Dodgers games stet o'clock a night.

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Speaker 2: It was awesome, it was incredible. It's good for us,

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Speaker 2: for gremlins. We're not real people. Sorry, real fans will

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Speaker 2: be watching. That's all that matters.

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Speaker 1: But we'd love to know your guys' opinion on realignment

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