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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the desperate surge for a

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Speaker 1: missing Warren mother of two, her car found abandoned. Where's Ashley?

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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. A mom of two vanishes without a

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Speaker 1: trace after leaving her apartment. Family pleads for help. Where

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Speaker 1: is this beautiful Warren missing mom of two? Her mother

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Speaker 1: is tipped off, as we have seen most recently, with

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Speaker 1: a very odd series of texts that don't sound like her.

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Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: Just after the New year, Ashley Elkins leaves home early

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Speaker 3: in the morning. Her family sees her leave wearing a

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Speaker 3: long black coat with fur around the hood and black

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Speaker 3: leggings with light freckles on her fate. Just ten minutes

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Speaker 3: after Ashley leaves, her mother, Monica arrives.

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Speaker 2: You know, the mom arrives just after she leaves.

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Speaker 1: How many times have I heard witnesses family say I

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Speaker 1: just missed her or him, and that chance miss makes

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Speaker 1: all the difference. Listen, thanks her.

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Speaker 4: I had a dream of her car being stolen, and

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Speaker 4: she replied back, all men, which is weird to me?

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Speaker 4: So I Facetimer, She answered.

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Speaker 1: Well, talk about a mother's intuition. That's where my friends

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Speaker 1: at w x y Z in Detroit. So mom, believe

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Speaker 1: it or not, has an eerie premonition type dream for

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Speaker 1: her daughter's car. It gets stolen, so she tries to

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Speaker 1: go immediately visit to visit the daughter, she misses her

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Speaker 1: literally by minutes.

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Speaker 2: She wants to tell her about the dream, so she.

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Speaker 1: Texts her and gets this odd response, going, oh man,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like her daughter at all, so listen.

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Speaker 5: Monica Elkins arrives wanting to tell Ashley about a dream

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Speaker 5: she had, having just missed Ashley. Monica sends a text

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Speaker 5: to her daughter about the dream she had involving Ashley

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Speaker 5: taking her mom's truck while leaving her car in the driveway.

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Speaker 5: Ashley replies to the description of the dream, writing oh man.

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Speaker 5: Monica feels this is a strange and uncharacteristic response for

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Speaker 5: Ashley and attempts a FaceTime call immediately upon receipt of

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Speaker 5: the text from Ashley's phone, but Ashley doesn't answer the

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Speaker 5: FaceTime joining.

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Speaker 1: Me an all star panel including family of Ashley's first

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Speaker 1: I want to go to brianfa Is Gibbons joining me,

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Speaker 1: Director Operations USP, a nationwide security leading a team of

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Speaker 1: investigators to find missing people. And not only that marine

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Speaker 1: an Iraqi war veteran, Brian, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knows a child, and this is a grown child, Ashley,

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Speaker 1: this gorgeous young mom of two, like your own mother.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knows you like your mother. The mom has this

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Speaker 1: eerie premonition dream and she doesn't just call. She goes

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Speaker 1: over to the apartment to Ashley's place to tell her, WHOA,

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Speaker 1: I had this crazy powerful dream. As she's not there,

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Speaker 1: she texts and then gets a text that she thinks

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Speaker 1: is off. How many times, Brian does the law enforcement

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Speaker 1: God bless them, they're the I'm the best witnesses ever

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Speaker 1: on the stand. Ignore hunches or intuition. I don't ignore it.

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Speaker 6: We see it all the time, Nancy, in a number

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Speaker 6: of cases that you and I have discussed.

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Speaker 7: In this case, Ashley's mother was immediately able to recognize

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Speaker 7: something that was deviating from Ashley's normal pattern of behavior.

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Speaker 7: That tech the lexicon used in that text, not answering

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Speaker 7: the FaceTime very concerning.

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Speaker 1: Also joining me Scott Iiker, founding member of the FBI

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Speaker 1: Cellular Analysis Survey Team. Let that say Ken founder founding

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Speaker 1: member of the FBI Cellular cell Phone Analysis Survey Team

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Speaker 1: Homicide detective twelve years missing People currently with precision Cellular

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Speaker 1: Analysis Scott, Isn't it true that the lexicon of vernacular

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Speaker 1: used in text can raise a red flag?

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Speaker 8: Most definitely. That's one of the first things that we

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Speaker 8: try to do when we're dealing with a missing person

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Speaker 8: is deal with the last people that have talked to them.

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Speaker 8: Things that are important are is the phone ringing to

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Speaker 8: directly to voicemail? Is it going through a bunch of

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Speaker 8: rings and not being answered? I agree that that, you know,

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Speaker 8: not answering a FaceTime in an odd text back. We've

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Speaker 8: seen that hundreds of times.

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Speaker 1: Well recently we saw it in a heartbreaking case of

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Speaker 1: Gabby Petito.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 5: On August twenty seventh, Potito and Laundry get into another

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Speaker 5: dispute in public. A witness says Gabby is crying and

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Speaker 5: Laundry is visibly angry. August thirtieth, Gabby Potito's mother gets

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Speaker 5: a text message where Gabby refers to her grandfather by

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Speaker 5: his name Stan. This text message was considered odd by

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Speaker 5: petita mother, Nicole Schmidt. Schmid tells police that Gabby never

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Speaker 5: calls her grandfather by his first name, and it doesn't

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Speaker 5: sound like Gabby calls to Gabby or in returned. On

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Speaker 5: September first, Brian Laundry arrives in Florida without Gabby Battito.

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Speaker 5: Gabby is missing, Laundry isn't talking. Patito's body has found

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Speaker 5: September nineteenth. She died from strangulation.

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Speaker 1: I mean joining me right now, is longtime colleague, investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter Alexis terrestruck crimeonline dot Com Alexis, come on, you

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Speaker 1: know my dad and my mom. What I've ever said,

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Speaker 1: ever said, Hey, mother, where's Walter Malcolm Gray Senior?

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Speaker 2: Of course that's not her texting.

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Speaker 9: No, and that's what her mother knew immediately. Ashley's mom,

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Speaker 9: she knew that when she centered this thing. And it's

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Speaker 9: sort of a desperate message. I had this terrible dream

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Speaker 9: and the dream was so bad that I've come to

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Speaker 9: your house.

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Speaker 2: You're not here.

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Speaker 9: She missed her by ten minutes. Instead of running back,

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Speaker 9: you know, oh, Mama, that's I'm fine, I'm safe, don't

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Speaker 9: worry about it, and I have my car. All she

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Speaker 9: gets back is manned. That's not something that she would

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Speaker 1: Well, here's another problem with sis. I better throw this

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Speaker 1: to our veteran trial lawyer, Ben Powers joining us. He's

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Speaker 1: at Legal Powers LLC. Hey, Ben, you know it would

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Speaker 1: be a cold day in HG DOUBLEL that I tried

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Speaker 1: to introduce something in front of a jury I couldn't prove.

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Speaker 1: That's why I've never even considered psychics, even though many

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Speaker 1: of them have actually helped find dead bodies and missing people.

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Speaker 2: They have, but to tell a jury that.

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Speaker 1: They would possibly discount the whole state's case.

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Speaker 2: If one of them is a non believer.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with premonitions or dreams like mom had, but

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Speaker 1: been powers. In this case, I think I'd bring it

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Speaker 1: on because not only did the mom have this premonition

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Speaker 1: going over there. That's real.

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Speaker 2: It's not just something she made up.

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Speaker 1: Later she got in the car and went over there

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Speaker 1: to warn her daughter.

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Speaker 2: It was that strong. I believe I would let that

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Speaker 10: So I think that statement alone, Probably it is not

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Speaker 10: a good idea to bring into evidence by itself, but

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Speaker 10: it certainly tells the story and humanizes the story. You know,

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Speaker 10: it's a concerned mother. She has a bad feeling. She

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Speaker 10: texts her daughter. She gets an odd response. Ten minutes later,

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Speaker 10: her daughter's gone. And so then you anchor that to

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Speaker 10: the rest of the story through admissible proof, admissible evidence,

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Speaker 10: possible forensics. Selled out a I wouldn't make the whole

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Speaker 10: case a premonition case, but I would anchor that premonition.

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Speaker 1: It would make the whole case a premonition case. I said,

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Speaker 1: I would, Hey.

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Speaker 1: Simpson case, the timeline started with a dog akda wailing

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Speaker 1: in the background. The neighbors described it as a plaintive. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's when the timeline started. Okay, in this case, when

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Speaker 1: after a bad dream, it was so vivid. That's where

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Speaker 1: I would start my timeline right there. And uh, do

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Speaker 1: you recall the name Kelsey Beareth ben Powers. Do you

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Speaker 1: know that name? Just be honest, I don't know that name. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I will never forget it because Kelsey Beareth, I believe,

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Speaker 1: was not only a murder victim, but her phone had

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Speaker 1: been taken by the purpse and a series of fate

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Speaker 1: messages were sent.

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Speaker 5: Listen, Patrick Frasey receives a short text from his fiance

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Speaker 5: Kelsey Beareth's phone that simply says do you even love me?

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Speaker 5: Phrasey replies, why would I bend over backwards and stand

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Speaker 5: behind you through everything if I didn't? So to answer

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Speaker 5: your question, yes I do. Turns out those messages were

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Speaker 5: and sinned. Three days after Patrick Frasey had murdered Kelsey Beareth,

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Speaker 5: crime with the help of his mistress turnstate's witness, Crystal Lee.

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Speaker 5: Prosecutors proved Phrasey beat Beareth, his fiance and mother of

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Speaker 5: his child, to death on Thanksgiving Day. He has sentenced

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Speaker 5: to life without parole.

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Speaker 1: In joining me is doctor Chavon Scott, doctor Scott's psychotherapist

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Speaker 1: and author of the Minds of mass Killers, Understanding and

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Speaker 1: Interrupting the Pathway to violence. If that didn't give you

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Speaker 1: a nightmare, I don't know what would, But doctor Scott,

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Speaker 1: aside from the mom's premonition, I'm moving on. Why do

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Speaker 1: people believe they're the smartest one in the room. They

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Speaker 1: can now smart everybody. I go into the room thinking

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Speaker 1: these people know more than I do about this topic. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a given, But why do people think Three days

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Speaker 1: after Kelsey goes missing, they can send a series of

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Speaker 1: fake text messages and fake everybody out. Why are people

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Speaker 1: that arrogant? Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, you're really describing somebody with what we call the

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Speaker 12: cluster B disorders, right, and that's somebody with a criminal mind,

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Speaker 12: and they do tend to be very arrogant. You see

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Speaker 12: this with so many different kinds of murderers, including the

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Speaker 12: serial killers, where they really think they're going to outgame

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Speaker 12: everybody and get away with it. So it really is

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Speaker 12: an aberrant type of personality that, unfortunately, we see in

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Speaker 1: Well, mom doesn't just knock at the door and then

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Speaker 13: During the day of January second, family members reach out

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Speaker 13: to Ashley Elkins with minimal success. Hours after sending a

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Speaker 13: another family member gets a text from Ashley saying she

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Speaker 13: is going to a beauty supply This isn't the way

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Speaker 13: Ashley's phone is turned off after the text about going

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Speaker 1: This beautiful young mom of two I mean, she's gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't even look real. She's so beautiful. Where is Ashley?

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Speaker 4: Listen, So I said, how you know, just be mindful

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Speaker 4: of watches around and your pants where you're going. And

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Speaker 4: she didn't call back. That's not like her has She

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Speaker 4: never called back and she never takes back.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how mom is even able to speak

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Speaker 1: right now, Ashley gone, can't find her.

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Speaker 2: The two little children want mommy.

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Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, that's where our friends at WXYZ Detroit.

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Speaker 1: So let's move forward. She goes to the house, knocks

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Speaker 1: on the door. She can't find Ashley. The family joined

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Speaker 1: together to start looking for Ashley.

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Speaker 2: This is so uncharacteristic. Listen.

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Speaker 5: Monica Elkins gets a text reply from her daughter Ashley,

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Speaker 5: but the text isn't consistent with the way Ashley texts. Later,

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Speaker 5: when another text is received from Ashley's phone is not

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Speaker 5: sending the way Ashley normally text. Family members are concerned

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Speaker 5: when they can't get Ashley to answer the phone, so

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Speaker 5: they use the find my iPhone app to locate her phone.

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Speaker 14: According to Ashley's phone, her last known location was in

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Speaker 14: the twenty nine hundred block of Pinehurst Street in Roseville.

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Speaker 14: By the time family members drive by, there is no

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Speaker 1: So what exactly is a ping? What does it mean?

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Speaker 2: What is a ping and how reliable is it?

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Speaker 1: Pings are things that you can see.

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Speaker 1: Where is this gorgeous mom of to her family? Distraught

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Speaker 1: Maurice Morton coincidentally a former Wayne County homicide prosecutor. Mister Morton,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Ashley's family mom, siblings

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Speaker 2: What was their state of mind at that time?

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Speaker 1: Was not no, no, no, mister Morton, please don't tell

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Speaker 1: Did they do that? I almost hate to ask the question.

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Speaker 11: They absolutely did that.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm gonna need an aspirin. Guys, what happens next?

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Speaker 1: The mom's so distraught about Ashley being gone, she reaches

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 13: After failing to find Ashley Elkins or even have a

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Speaker 13: canvassing area businesses for video and using digital forensics in

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Speaker 2: What they think is going to be a break listen.

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Speaker 5: Conducting video, canvases and examining digital evidence, Investigators are interviewing

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Speaker 5: On Tuesday, January seventh, authorities find Ashley Elkins car abandoned

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Speaker 1: The discovery of a missing person's car usually is a

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Speaker 2: What if anything will it reveal?

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Speaker 1: Is their blood?

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Speaker 1: Is the car simply out of gas or with a

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Speaker 5: Eight days pass from when Niki Chang Sale McCain was

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Speaker 5: Investigators aren't saying as the vehicle was operational when abandoned,

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Speaker 1: Alexis terreschut. In our case in chief, Ashley's car is found,

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Speaker 1: where was it?

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Speaker 9: Her car was found about a six minute drive away

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Speaker 1: Still this we're saying, Brosefield.

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Speaker 9: This is a suburb of Detroit. Detroit is a very

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Speaker 1: This is but still a very urban center.

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Speaker 9: Found there. But you know what was not found in

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Speaker 9: her car. Her pocketbook was not found in her car.

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Speaker 9: Her cell phone was not found in her car. But

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Speaker 1: To Ash's uncle, Maurice Morton joining us. Maurice, so her

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Speaker 1: pocketbook and cell phone missing from the car. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you a couple of questions regarding Ashley's car found

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Speaker 2: Did I have a flat tire?

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Speaker 7: No it did not.

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Speaker 1: Was it out of gas?

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Speaker 11: No it was not.

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Speaker 1: Had it been in a fender bender or any accident

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Speaker 11: No, she wouldn't. And the mother was very clear about

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Speaker 11: the seven year old is autistic. Ashley loved her children

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Speaker 1: She would have never done this.

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Speaker 11: She would have never just walked away.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Ben Power is joining me veteran trial

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Speaker 1: lawyer at legalpowers dot com. You said, can't build a

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Speaker 1: we've got the car abandoned on the side of the right.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with it, not out of gas, no

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Speaker 10: Bs, I think you're gonna need to be able to

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Speaker 10: You know, why the car is six minutes away from

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you just tell that to a jury.

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Speaker 1: You ask any woman on that jury, she's gonna park

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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Another question for Maurice Morton. This

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Speaker 11: You know, we don't know that at this time. So

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: To Ryan Fitzgibbons, I want to talk to you about

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Speaker 1: I'm going to bring up the specter of Alex Murdoch

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Speaker 1: to searching for missing people, normally you can get.

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Speaker 2: A treasure trove of evidence from a car.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Nancy and police are going to be pretty tight

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: This could be fingerprints, this could be DNA evidence, This

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking about blood.

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Speaker 1: Maurice Martin, let me know, were their forensic forensically viable

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Speaker 1: probative they proved something fingerprints, blood, hair, sign of a struggle.

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Speaker 1: Was the front seat pulled back too far? I know

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Speaker 1: that you recall Maurice the case of missing teacher Tara Grinstead.

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Speaker 1: In her case, her car was found right where it

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Speaker 1: But then her mother took me out to look at

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Speaker 2: So there's all kinds of evidence you can get from

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Speaker 1: Do we know if the driver's seat was pulled back

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Speaker 11: We don't know. Unfortunately, you know, the police have not

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Speaker 11: What they have this said, though, interestingly, is that there

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Speaker 1: Scott Iikerr, you're hearing what Bryan Fitzgibbons and Maurice Mortner's saying.

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Speaker 1: But I want you, founding member of the FBI Cellular

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Speaker 2: We know when he reached his mother's house.

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Speaker 1: Which she used as an alibi, when he put that

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Speaker 1: put it in park, reverse drive, you name it.

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Speaker 2: So what can I learn from Ashy's car, Nancy?

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Speaker 8: There's a ton of stuff you can learn from the car.

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Speaker 8: As you said, the vehicle telematics, a lot of programs

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Speaker 8: brakes were applied, you know, when an accident occurred. All

438
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Speaker 8: that information is recorded in some of these cars.

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Speaker 1: What more do we know? We know that, in addition

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Speaker 1: to feeling someone had been following her as she drive

441
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Speaker 1: her car, there were a lot of red flags no

442
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Speaker 1: one really knew how to interpret.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 13: DeAndre Booker and Ashley Elkins have been dating long enough

445
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Speaker 13: that mother and other family members think the two will

446
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 13: be getting married in the future. Booker is smart and

447
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 13: really good with computers, but there are a couple of

448
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 13: red flags popping up. Ashley Elkins has developed a career

449
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 13: as a hairstylist and is able to maximize profits by

450
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 13: working out of her home until DeAndre Booker doesn't like

451
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 13: men coming to Ashley's home to have their haircut, so

452
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 13: Ashley spends the money to rent a facility to conduct business.

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Speaker 1: What okay, hold on just a moment, Maurice Morton is

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Speaker 1: joining me Ashley's uncle.

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Speaker 2: You're a practicing lawyer.

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00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: That would be like my husband saying, you know what,

457
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Speaker 1: I don't want you in the courtroom because there's too

458
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: many male lawyers and defendants. I couldn't practice law for

459
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: Pete's sake. So the boyfriend tells her he doesn't like

460
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,959
Speaker 1: men clients coming to her home salon that cuts out

461
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Speaker 1: about fifty percent of her business.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's true. I mean, you know, that was an

463
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Speaker 11: early on red flag about him and his personality. Obviously

464
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 11: he was controlling, very jealous type, and the mom and

465
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Speaker 11: Ashley began to see that about him. This is someone

466
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 11: who they embraced, who she had around her children, and

467
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 11: who everyone liked. And you never would have thought but

468
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 11: he You know, that was one of the first red

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Speaker 11: flags of how controlling he was.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Chevon Scott joining us renowned psychotherapist author of the

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Speaker 1: Minds of mass Killers a doctor Chevon controlling doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: mean killer. But when I look back at cases I've handled, prosecuted,

473
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: and investigated, very often it's the reverse. I have seen

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Speaker 1: so many cases where the per boyfriend or husband, lover,

475
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Speaker 1: ex lover has also been controlling. The converse can very

476
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Speaker 1: often when we say he's controlling, what does that mean?

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00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: You heard Maurice Morton, who knows Ashy, knows, the boyfriend,

478
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Speaker 1: knows the family, say he was controlling.

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00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: That in itself is not a deal breaker.

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Speaker 12: But it's not good. No, it's not good. It's definitely

481
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Speaker 12: a red flag. A couple decades ago, I was a

482
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Speaker 12: director of counseling and a domestic violence women's shelter, and

483
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Speaker 12: that was really the standard was these jealous, controlling men,

484
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Speaker 12: and they're very seductive.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 12: That's the thing I can't under emphasize, is how seductive

487
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 12: they can be and how charming, because if that was

488
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 12: the only thing the woman ever saw, of course they

489
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 12: would recognize this is a dangerous, unsafe relationship. But often

490
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 12: there's an undercurrent of the control, and it's layered with

491
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Speaker 12: things that are very nice about the relationship, so the

492
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Speaker 12: women get confused.

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Speaker 2: You're giving me a headache.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to tell you why. If I thought

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Speaker 1: I had to go through my husband's text messages and

496
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: find them on Life three sixty and blah blah, I'd

497
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: shoot my foot. I try to read his messages one time.

498
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: They were so boring my eyes just started bleeding. Why

499
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: do people stay in relationships where they don't trust the

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Speaker 1: other one? There's all these red flags.

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Speaker 2: It's exhausting, Doctor Chavn.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, and it becomes like an addiction sometimes, particularly

503
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 12: for these men that you know, when we think of love,

504
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 12: we think of giving and nurturing and wanting the best

505
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Speaker 12: for the other person. But I think for men like this,

506
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 12: the woman is an object and his sense of ownership

507
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 12: for her takes precedence. And often there's this mix of

508
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Speaker 12: desire and hostility. And it's very confusing to be the

509
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 12: female partner in a relationship like that, because very often

510
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 12: he's wonderful. And they also know how to manipulate their vulnerabilities.

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00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 12: Younger women in particular, can have a lot of vulnerabilities.

512
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 12: They can have low self esteem, and these men know

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Speaker 12: how to manipulate that well.

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00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: Speaking of red flags, listen to this man. Ladies, if

515
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: you hear something like this about your boyfriend, even your husband,

516
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: you run for the heels as if you had seen

517
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: a monster. Listen to me, take a listen.

518
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: Booker shows off his computer skills by creating fraudulent documents,

519
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: but the final straw that breaks the relationship is when

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00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: Elkins discovers Booker has been creating profiles of people online

521
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: and using the fake profiles to comment on his own

522
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: posts on social media, as well as track Ashley's online behavior.

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00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: Elkins and DeAndre Booker break up in September.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, wha wait, so he creates a fake online

525
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: persona to comment on his posts. Do I have that right,

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00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: Alexis Terestchuk.

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Speaker 9: Yes, he has been doing this. This is something he creates.

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00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 9: He has his own website, you know, his own social media.

529
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 9: Then he creates other people to say, oh, you know,

530
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 9: you're so great with this guy, things like this, just

531
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 9: to make himself.

532
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: Seem so much much better.

533
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 9: Then she finds out that he's been that he has

534
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 9: been doing this. She sees, oh, it's not just you. You

535
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 9: are the one that is creating all of these people

536
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 9: commenting on this, and she fully breaks up with him.

537
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 9: She ends the relationship.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what a wack of doodle, I see, chauvon Scott,

539
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: doctor Scott just shuddering that. But there's no other way

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00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: to put it.

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Speaker 2: Maurice Morton, you're her uncle.

542
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: So she is involved, and this guy's around her children,

543
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: that's making up fake uh people on multiple fake IDs

544
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: online so they can comment on how great his posts are.

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00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 11: Yeah, it just it just doesn't sound like a reasonable person.

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00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 11: It did say a lot about him. And then at

547
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 11: that point, you know, Ashley and the mom began to

548
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 11: really question. You know, mom was very clear she thought

549
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 11: he was a fraud and this was someone that she adored,

550
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 11: and eventually she said, Hey, she thought he was a fraud.

551
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 11: They didn't know what to believe about him, what was

552
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 11: real or wasn't.

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00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: Just because you delete something off of your computer doesn't

554
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Speaker 1: mean it.

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00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: Doesn't exist in the cloud.

556
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: Or somewhere deep buried in your computer. Take a listen

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00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: for someone known as computer savvy. Investigators were able to

558
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: retrieve some of the basic Internet searches that included answers

559
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Speaker 1: to the question what to do while on the run.

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00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: Booker also allegedly wants to know if blood is traceable,

561
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: fastest routes from Flint, Ohio, how to beat a polygraph test,

562
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: and what he probably should have started with deleting Google

563
00:33:51,160 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: search history. Okay, the word idiot springs to mind crime

564
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace to Maurice Mortin, this is Ashley

565
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: Elkins's uncle.

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Speaker 2: What more, if anything, do you know.

567
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: About these damning computer searches on Booker's devices.

568
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 11: Yeah, when we when we saw that, it was very alarming.

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00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 11: At that point, when you see that, you're you're figuring that, hey,

570
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 11: this this guy was planning to commit a crime, and

571
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 11: and and so it really raised, you know, the concern

572
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 11: within the family of what he was planning to do.

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00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 11: Or what he had done because we had been aware

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Speaker 11: of these, uh search the search messages since that Friday

575
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 11: after she was missing.

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Speaker 1: It brings to mind a case it's going to be

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00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: proven almost entirely based on damning Google searches. I'm talking

578
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: about another missing mom. Up to Boys and a Walsh husband.

579
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: Brian Walsh's computer a treasure trove of incriminating evidence.

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00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: Listen.

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00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 5: Bryan Walsh begins the first day of a new year

582
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 5: at four fifty five am by searching the Internet for

583
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 5: a quote how long before a body starts to smell?

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00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 5: He follows that by searching how to stop a body

585
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 5: from decomposing? Ten ways to dispose of a dead body

586
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 5: if you really need to, how long does DNA last?

587
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 5: How to remove blood from a wooden floor, can you

588
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 5: identify a body with broken teeth? And finally, can you

589
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 5: be charged with murder without a body?

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00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: One of the searches conducted by x Booker is what

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Speaker 1: to do while on the run. Much like Scott Peterson,

592
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: he did go on the run. Explain Alexis Tereschuk, it.

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00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 9: Come to her house on New Year's Eve Deceummer thirty. First,

594
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 9: he actually booked an appointment with her but not as himself.

595
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 9: So remember we said he pretends to be other people,

596
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 9: he uses different identifications. He even did this to her,

597
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 9: So he booked an appointment at her home salon the

598
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 9: one that he didn't like her to have, and showed

599
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 9: up at her house. She saw him from out inside

600
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 9: the home and she had people over house, showed everybody

601
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 9: to be quiet. He knocked on the front door, he

602
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 9: knocked on the side door. Everybody stayed inside and didn't

603
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 9: make a work sound, and then he left. So then

604
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 9: people try to find him. Nobody can find him. He

605
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 9: is just as missing as she is for a couple

606
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 9: of days. Then police are finally able to find him.

607
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.

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00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 5: The day Scott Peterson is arrested. His dyed his brown

609
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 5: hair blonde and grown out of goateee. His Mercedes stuffed

610
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 5: with survival gear, camving gear, several changes of clothing, two

611
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 5: driver's license, He has his and his brothers, four cell phones,

612
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 5: fifteen grand in cash, and twelve Viagra pills.

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00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: See, you have been powers much like Scott Peterson with

614
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: his blonde hair. This guy Booker goes on the run.

615
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: That's evidence of guilt. Flight while your girlfriend, your ex

616
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: is missing, you suddenly decide to go on the run.

617
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: It's damning.

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Speaker 10: I mean, he's allowed to travel. It's not running from anything.

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Speaker 2: At that point.

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Speaker 10: He's allowed to go from one place to another. They

621
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 10: would have to establish that he knew he was the

622
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 10: subject of an investigation and that he fled that investigation.

623
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Speaker 10: But there's nothing unlawful. We actually have a right to travel,

624
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 10: and so he's free to move about as he wants.

625
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 10: They're going to have to tie that to knowing that

626
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 10: he was under investigation and fleeing that investigation.

627
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: Speaking of red flags, what about a rap sheet?

628
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 5: Listen dedre Booker served in the United States Army, but

629
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 5: was removed from the military with a less than honorable

630
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 5: discharge after going a wall in twenty seventeen. This happened

631
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Speaker 5: after he was charged the previous year with several other crimes,

632
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 5: including larceny and possessing fake identification documents while still serving

633
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 5: on active duty in the Army. He went a wall

634
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 5: after the charges and then was given his less than

635
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 5: honorable discharge.

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to see a course of conduct that repeats itself.

637
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: He goes a wall in the army, and now he's

638
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: a wall during the search for his love interest Ashley

639
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: Ashley Elkins, Maurice Morton had actually had any idea that

640
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: Booker had a rap.

641
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 11: Sheet was that came as news to the family about

642
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 11: his background with the military and him being a wall

643
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 11: absolutely had no idea.

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Speaker 1: Maurice Morton joining me Ashley's uncle. What led police to

645
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: go to a landfill?

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Speaker 11: Well, when they conducted the search of Deandre's apartment, they

647
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Speaker 11: indicated to us they found substantial evidence without telling us

648
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 11: what they found. They also hauled away a dumpster, and

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00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 11: you know, they indicated to me that there was also

650
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 11: substantial evidence in there. So we kind of gleaned through

651
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 11: the lines that they found blood evidence also that dumpster

652
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 11: apparently had been dumped on that stat day after she

653
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 11: went missing, and so you know, reading between the lines,

654
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Speaker 11: we figure they kind of then went to the landfield net.

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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons joining me, Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security leaves

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Speaker 1: a team of investigators trying to find missing people. Brian,

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Speaker 1: you and I both have been involved in grid searches

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Speaker 1: at landfills and dump sites.

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Speaker 15: Very difficult, absolutely, and this one was made more difficult

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Speaker 15: with the cold temperatures that Michigan has been experiencing, so

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Speaker 15: they were able to narrow it down to a six

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Speaker 15: to seven acre location at the landfill, a plot of

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Speaker 15: area about seven acres square. So that's going to be

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Speaker 15: a difficult search as they go grid by grid.

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Speaker 1: The family on pins and needles as the search for

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Speaker 1: Ashley leads police to a Macomb County landfill.

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Speaker 2: Back to Ashley's uncle, Race Morton, joining us.

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Speaker 1: I understand, mister Morton, that DNA has been obtained.

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Speaker 2: What's the source and what can you tell us about it?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, police indicated to us that from evidence they collected

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Speaker 11: at his apartment and from the dumpster, they wanted to

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Speaker 11: collect some samples to do a DNA match, so they

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Speaker 11: did do swabbing of the mother and her children in

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Speaker 11: order to get a DNA match. We have not gotten

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Speaker 11: the results back from that DNA sample.

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Speaker 1: Mister Morton. How is the family holding up? Who has

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Speaker 1: Ashy's two little boys?

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Speaker 11: Her boys are staying with their father and grandparents. The

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Speaker 11: families are, you know, coming together to support them. You

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Speaker 11: can imagine, Nancy, this has been really tough. And you know,

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Speaker 11: someone asked me the question. Being a former prosecutor, you know,

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Speaker 11: how does it feel to be on the other side, right,

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Speaker 11: you know, but they actually asked the question. But it's tough,

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Speaker 11: and I dealt with victims all my life. But to

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Speaker 11: be on this side, you see the pain, You see

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Speaker 11: the heartache, you see all the questions. You see how

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Speaker 11: difficult it is dealing with the media of police trying

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Speaker 11: to get answers, fighting for answers because you want your

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Speaker 11: loved one back home. It's very difficult.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: saw her car, maybe you saw her, Maybe you saw

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Booker driving her car. Please dial Warren PD five

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Speaker 1: eight six five seven four four seven eight four or

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Speaker 1: Roosevelt Police Crime Stoppers toll free eight hundred. Speak up.

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Speaker 1: That's eight hundred seven seven three two five eight seven.

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Speaker 1: Her boys want their mother. One of them unable to

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Speaker 1: understand what's going on.

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Speaker 2: He's autistic. Let's stop and remember an American hero, Jacqueline

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Speaker 2: Montenero US Department Homeland Security, who died trying to save

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Speaker 2: her own daughter from a fire. Served over sixteen years

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Speaker 2: with Homeland Security, leaving behind husband now widower, William, and

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Speaker 2: daughter Elena. American hero Homeland Security Jackie Montenero

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend,