1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to One Bill's Light to make the jump to 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: light speed version of our daily show One Bills Live, 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: where we give you everything you need on the Bills 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: in thirty to forty minutes. Coming up in our numbers 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: games to fond days as an all time leader in 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: receptions NFL Networks, Mark Ross talks to us about the 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: restrictions of a reduced salary cap for the Bills and 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: other NFL clubs, and then we also ask, would you 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: believe it, let's dial it up at a Steve Taster 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: who has been all over the fields. Kind of unique. 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: He was kind of a dual role player for you, 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: Stave of a lily, Steve a blimp. We're not even 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: in the stratosphere of normalcy. Thanks for joining us here 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: on One Bill's Light. Available on all your podcast platforms 15 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: and on YouTube where you can watch us as well 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: and listen to us and subscribe. Of course, Chris Brown, 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: Steve Tasker with you and Steve. The Bill's exciting twenty 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: twenty season came to a close this past week when 19 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: they couldn't keep pace with the Kansas City Chiefs, who 20 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: are now going for a second straight Super Bowl title. 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: What do you believe will most effectively close the gap 22 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: for the Bills to compete and maybe even beat the 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: Chiefs sooner rather than later. As big as jump forward 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: as they took offensively this year, I think the thing 25 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: they got to do is get better offensively. That you're 26 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: not going to be able to defend all the speed 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: that the Chiefs can put out on the field, at 28 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: least not keep them off the scoreboard. You've got to 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: keep pace with them offensively. I think Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey, 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins, Me, Coole Hardman, Clyde Edwards, Hilaire, and the 31 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: guy they've got pulled on the trigger, the MVP. All 32 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: of those things are spreads. You so thin defensively, you 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: could spend a lifetime trying to assemble that many parts 34 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: to finally defend them, and I still don't know if 35 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: you could get it done. Yeah, on a consistent enough basis, 36 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: I think you've got to run with them. And it's 37 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: an arms race. It's how many weapons you can put 38 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: around Josh Allen, how effectively you can score points against 39 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: any defensive philosophy, and I think the Bills would start 40 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: by probably putting a little more speed on the field 41 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: themselves speed on the field. I know you and I 42 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: are on the same page with this in terms of 43 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: adding lineman two, because I think what they need to 44 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: do is diversify their offense. They are a passing offense 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: first and foremost. That is their identity, There's no question 46 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: about it. But in certain games where maybe their passing 47 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: game wasn't hitting on all cylinders, it was very hard 48 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: for their running game to pick up the slack at times. 49 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: I think they have to do a better job. Like 50 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott said in their rap up 51 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: Press conferences, they have to run the ball better, not 52 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: necessarily more often. If they can run the ball better, 53 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: and that's something they can turn two maybe on days 54 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: when their passing game isn't a plus, I think that 55 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: makes them a more dangerous offense overall. And you're also 56 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: in a point in history in the NFL where you 57 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: don't just automatically bring back the guys you brought you 58 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: had last year. There could be some some wholesale changes 59 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: up in front of Josh Allen. Certainly, Dion Dawkins is 60 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: there for the time being, and Mitch Morris is there 61 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: as well. As the highest was at one point, the 62 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: highest paige center in the league. Feliciano is done with 63 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: his contract, Darryl Williams done with his contract, and then 64 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: you've got like Butker, You've got Cody Ford at the 65 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: other guard spots. There's restricted free agent. All these guys 66 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: are signaling the fact that the Bills are gonna have 67 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: to rebuild their offensive line from the studs up. I mean, 68 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: they're they've got some holes to fill up front. That's 69 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: job one, because you can't take a step backwards, go 70 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: back to where you were in twenty eighteen, where Josh 71 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: Allen had time to look at his first option and 72 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: took off running because of the pressure. So the offensive line, certainly, 73 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: they've got weapons that can score points, but their offensive 74 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: line not only has to be as good as it 75 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: was in the passing game this year, it's got to 76 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: be better, as you said, in the running game, to 77 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: give them more flexibility in games and for game planning 78 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: and that kind of thing, And there are going to 79 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: be tough decisions. You have a restrictive salary cap that 80 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: could get slightly better, but is still going to be 81 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: far below what all the NFL clubs projected the cap 82 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: to be in twenty twenty one because of the COVID 83 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: pandemic and the league's revenue losses therein as a result 84 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: of the restrictions imposed by COVID and all the protocols 85 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: that we witnessed here in twenty twenty. So it's going 86 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: to take some doing to figure out how to move 87 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: all the puzzle pieces around and still fit it under 88 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: the cap here. Having said that, though not half the 89 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: teams will say in the league, you're going to be 90 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: in the exact same spot the Buffalo Bills are in, 91 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to make some tough decisions about their 92 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: own rosters. So they're going to be some quality guys available. 93 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: And I think the key for the Bills and other 94 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: teams like them is to free up enough money in 95 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: assets to lure and entice them into an organization. Now 96 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: for maybe some more of the deals we saw. Darryl 97 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: Williams signed the one year deal, the one or two 98 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: year deal, the short term got term deals that will 99 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: incentivize the guy not only to sign it, but to 100 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,559 Speaker 1: play well under it so that he can get another 101 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: swing at at defense next year, when the salary cap 102 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: for all intensive purposes will be much higher than they'll 103 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: be more money to go around for all these guys. 104 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: All right, So as we put a bow on the 105 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: Bills twenty twenty season, Steve, we make Stefen Diggs the 106 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 1: subject of our Numbers game this week, Steve. Stefan Diggs, 107 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: with twenty receptions this postseason, the bills number one wide receiver, 108 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: is tied for second all time in NFL history for 109 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: most catches in a single season, counting regular season and 110 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: postseason all together. His reception total for both was one 111 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: hundred and forty seven catches. Steve, I am challenging you 112 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: in the Numbers Game to name the other four receivers 113 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: in the top five for most receptions regular season and 114 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: playoffs in one year. Here we go. You're ready, Yeah, 115 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm ready. Jerry Rice. Jerry Rice is not on this list. 116 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: I was stucked. Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison, the Hall of Famer, 117 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: is tied with Stefan Diggs for second place one hundred 118 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: forty seven receptions back in two thousand and two. I 119 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: will say now, I can't think of that. The guys 120 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: was Saint Louis the greatest show on turf? You're talking 121 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: about those guys got to be in there Isaac Bruce. 122 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: Isaac Bruce is not on the What about Tory Holt? 123 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: He is not on the list either, And I think 124 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: it's because they kind of canceled each other out. That's 125 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: a crusher. Nobody was and I will I will tell 126 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: you this most well. Actually, the three remaining guys are 127 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: all pretty modern, right, pretty modern. So you're I'm with you. 128 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: I'll say, I'll tell you this after twenty ten. That helps, Yeah, 129 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: I got you. I'm gonna say Edelman, not Julian Edmand, 130 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: but someone of a similar skill set. How about you'll 131 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: know it when if I have to say the name, 132 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: but I'll say, Gosh catches, Oh, hold on, hold on 133 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: hand and it is not Alvin ms All receivers, all right, godly, 134 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: this is hard. I'm gonna say, who would it be? 135 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: Think of like ultra productive, like receivers that had like 136 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: a monster Larry Fitzgerald, not Larry Fitzgerald total receptions, regular 137 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: season and playoffs, the most productive years ever. There all, 138 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: we have Stefan Diggs and Marvin Harrison, both with one 139 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: hundred forty seven. They are both second tied for second 140 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: on this list. Welker Wes Welker Good job, Steve two 141 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: thousand and eleven, one hundred forty one total reception. I 142 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: got tightness in my regulator this one regulars season in Posseas. 143 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: So now you also want to think about teams that 144 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: obviously won at least one playoff game. So this guy 145 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: not only had to have a great deep, he had 146 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: to you know, play a couple of playoff games too. 147 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say golden tape, not golden tape, you know, 148 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: for the Seahawks. I figure maybe, uh, who else has been? 149 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: Nobody on the Patriots has done that for them. They well, 150 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: Wes Welker was the guy that did two eleven. Yeah, 151 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: when he was he was, Okay, Um, he's the only 152 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: Patriot on the list that helps you weed out some people. Oh, 153 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: hold on, how about Antonio Brown? Antonio Brown twenty fifteen, 154 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: good job, Steve, one hundred and forty three total receptions 155 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: for Pittsburgh. All right, and I'm looking for the top guy, right, 156 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: you are looking for the number one guy on the list. 157 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: It'll make sense if I say it, so I don't 158 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: want to say it somebody like DeAndre Hopkins. Not DeAndre Hopkins, 159 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: but the same kind of ballpark here, the same genre. 160 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: You know, multiple target guy every single week, DeAndre. I'm 161 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: gonna say Tyreek not Tyreek Hill. Get that many catches, 162 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: these big plays, a lot of yards, a lot of touchdowns, 163 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: but not a lot of reception. I'm thinking a guy 164 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: like who's the guy on the Tennessee wasn't a j Brown? 165 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: Lash's Brown Chieves. This guy absolutely crushed it across the board. 166 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: And I don't want to give you a year because 167 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: I think that gives it away. Give me the year 168 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: last year, twenty nineteen. Guy crushed it last year, did 169 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,599 Speaker 1: not have his good a year this year because he 170 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: was in he's a wide out. Yes, I don't know 171 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: who the Who's NC? Who's Yeah? Who's the white up 172 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: for the Niners? What's his name? Not the Niners? Guys? 173 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: Hold on it was it was a guy from the 174 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: from the Ram, not from the Rams, NFC South. And 175 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: it's not Julio Chones, Mike Oh, it's Mike Thomas. Mike 176 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: Michael Thomas. That's right. One hundred and fifty six reception, 177 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: remember that name. Regular season and playoffs unbelieved. You did 178 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: pretty good, though, Steve Man. You got three out of 179 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: three out of the four that were left made me 180 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: feel better. That was a good one because that's the 181 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: one furthest in the pass that got bad retired for 182 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: it seems like a little bit. Yeah, the concussions caught 183 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: up with him. Our next numbers game challenged Steve also 184 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: involves Stefon Diggs with seventy seven receiving yards in the 185 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: AFC title game last week. He compiled eighteen hundred forty 186 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: six yards in the regular season and the playoffs, becoming 187 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: only the thirteenth player in league history with eighteen hundred 188 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: receiving yards or more. Now, what's interesting, Steve, is of 189 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: the twelve others who have done that besides Diggs, only 190 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: two of the other twelve come from AFC clubs. Okay, 191 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: so can you name the two other AFC receivers besides 192 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs who put together eighteen hundred yard receiving seasons 193 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: regular season and playoffs. Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown is one, correct, 194 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison not Marvin Harrison. And this I'm gonna tell you, Steve, 195 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: this is tough because it goes back aways, does it? Yes? 196 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: And so Antonio Brown is correct. He did it twice 197 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, the year we mentioned for the receptions in 198 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: the previous numbers game and in twenty fourteen, so we 199 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: had Steve he has the all time number nineteen hundred 200 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: fifty three yards. He does yeah, twenty fifteen for regular 201 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: season and playoffs in one season nineteen it's Antonio Brown. 202 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: Oh okay, twenty fifteen. Wow. And he did it in 203 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen eighteen hundred and fifteen yards. So you have 204 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: one guy left on this list AFC receiver eighteen hundred 205 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: yards or more regular season and playoffs combined. And to 206 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: help you, I am going to give you the year 207 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine. Isaac Bruce is not Isaac BRUCEC. So 208 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: you gotta think of the team you know that was 209 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: really good, a team that was really good in the 210 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: AFC because he's not on the Titans. So who lost 211 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: to the Titans in the AFC playoffs that year? Do 212 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: you remember the team because a lot of people thought 213 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: this team should have been in the Super Bowl, not 214 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: the Titans. But they could not get past the Titans 215 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: that year because they played him in the regular season 216 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: and lost all such a hold on it was Jacksonville Jaguars. 217 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: They lost to him all three times. US and Muhammad 218 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: It is not the play for Carolina. Oh who's the 219 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: other guy? Uh? Not that AFC team. It was jackson Jaguars. 220 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: They had two good receivers on that I don't know 221 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: who who is it? Keenan mccarnell was the one guy 222 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: who was the guy on the other side. Oh, come on, 223 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: you know Jimmy Smith? Dare you go? I knew you 224 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: knew it. Nice job, Steve, Jimmy Smith eighteen hundred and 225 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: sixty four yards. No idea that that. That's unbelievable. I 226 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: still I'm still amazed by that that Jacksonville had a 227 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: loaded team that year, Coughlin's coaching, and they could not 228 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: beat the Titans. They lost all three times wis in 229 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: the regular season, once in the playoff fifteen and three, 230 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: all three losses to the Titans. Jeff was Fisher. The 231 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: Titans were their kryptonite that year. They were They were 232 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: fifteen and three against the entire NFL and they lost. 233 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: That sucks. They lost three times to the Titans. God 234 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: help us that. Let that not be the Chiefs for 235 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: the Bills going forward, because they got to play the 236 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: Chiefs in the regular season. There's a lot of the 237 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: Bills are not alone that was a fun number. That 238 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: might have been a Morse fun numbers game. So far, 239 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: you killed it, Steve. That was really good. Yeah, it 240 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like I killed it. Time now for our 241 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: guest this week, NFL Network analyst Mark Ross, former front 242 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: office executive who worked for the Eagles, Bills, and Giants, 243 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: and we talked to him about what this unique NFL 244 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: offseason could look like with the restrictive cap. Joining us 245 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: on the line right now is a former NFL personnel 246 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: executive with the Giants and Eagles. I think this guy 247 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: was a college scouting director, Steve at age twenty seven. 248 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: That is insane um. But now with NFL Network and 249 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: breaking down the league for a lot of people, and 250 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: they'll do that here for us now it is one 251 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: Mark Raw joining us. Mark, how you doing? It's off 252 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: season time. This is when people that are in positions 253 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: like the ones you held are just getting to work now, 254 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: right exactly. Everybody thinks the seasons over and like, all right, 255 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: what do you do now? Like actually a lot busier 256 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: in the season, But Chris, don't over again. I took 257 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: I did a three year bid up there in Buffalo. 258 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember. That's the most important three years 259 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: of my life right there. Look at you, Look at you, 260 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: and he's putting he's laying the butter on already here 261 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: Look at that. Uh yeah, you know, Steve, Steve and 262 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: I have been knocking around. You know a lot of 263 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: these tough decisions that are going to have to be 264 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: undertaken by a lot of front offices around the league. 265 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: And with this COVID induced cap that has kind of 266 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: gripped the entire league. Obviously some teams are in a 267 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: lot worse positions than others. But even Brandon Bean today 268 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: in his season wrap up conference via zoom with the 269 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: Media today, Mark was saying, they are going to be 270 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: faced with some tough decisions. And this is a team 271 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: that has made a point since he and Sean McDermott 272 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: have taken over of remaining Caps strong. But even this 273 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: COVID pandemic situation is going to put the Bills in 274 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: a tough spot this offseason. Yeah, definitely. Well, this is 275 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: again the offseason when every team faces with the cap 276 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: and what are the reasons for that one? You got 277 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of good players that you've had to pay 278 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: over the years. That should be the reason why you 279 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: may be over the cap, or you make some bad 280 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: contracts and you pay guys that you shouldn't have paid. 281 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: So it just all depends on which team you're talking 282 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: about and why they're in the cap situation that they're in. 283 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: But how do you rectify that? You know, you got 284 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: to restructure some deals, You have to make the tough 285 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: decisions to cut players that you don't want to cut, 286 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: or get out of some bad deals that you had before. 287 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: And as you mentioned with the state of the flux, 288 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: with the what is the salary cap going to be 289 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: next year because of COVID, then you have to deal 290 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: with those sort of machinations and and have your cap 291 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: guys make sure they're strong and everybody's on the same 292 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: page of all right, prioritize the players we must keep, 293 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: the players we uh we can work around, and the 294 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: players that we have to get rid of to get 295 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: back strong. And that kind of boils down to you know, 296 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: this offseason where think about this as well. Mark. I mean, 297 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: you've got a team like Buffalo or some other teams 298 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: that are right around where the cap is gonna be. 299 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: They anticipated being well under, but now they're gonna be 300 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: right at it and they're gonna be some teams have 301 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: a lot of money to spend and some other teams 302 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,239 Speaker 1: that have got are are going to be the other 303 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: end of it. So you've got on the bottom of 304 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: the spectrum, you've got teams like you know, the Saints, 305 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles, these teams that are really struggling with 306 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: their cap numbers having to jettison players. You've got other 307 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: teams like the Dolphins, the Jets that yeah, Jacksonville, the Patriots, 308 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: they can they can buy those players. And then you've 309 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: got the ones in the middle that are just like 310 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: Brandon being said today, yes, hope you draft well because 311 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to replace guys. You know everybody wants 312 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: to draft all. I get that, but you know there's 313 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: gonna be a huge shift in some great players that 314 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: are going to go to teams or migrate to teams 315 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: with money to spend, no question that. You see it 316 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: every year, and you see some guys get paid, like 317 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: why that guy get paid? Well, the money's there, and 318 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: that's what the free market is to pay this certain player. 319 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: And I'm sure some guys that will leave the bills. 320 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: And most happens with teams that are really good and 321 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: some of those fringe players for those teams are good 322 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: players will get overpaid from some of those rising teams 323 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: because they think, okay, well that's the formula. We need 324 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: to get that guy who's been part of a winning 325 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: culture and he can change our culture and change our 326 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: team and add to the winning culture of our team. 327 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: So you'll see that where you guys or the Saints, 328 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: for example, talked about the teams that draft it well 329 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: and have a lot of good players and that's why 330 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: they're in a cap situation where the guys will leave 331 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: the Saints and get overpaid. So you'll see that kind 332 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: of switch. Some will be justified, some won't be. But 333 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: that's just what the market is and that dictates what 334 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: the players should get. And with the NFL players, you 335 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: know the short, you know, life span of an NFL player. 336 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: I don't I don't blame those guys that get what 337 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: they can get while they can. But it should be 338 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: trying to get to the best situation for them their 339 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: career and the fit of trying to win. But some 340 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: guy's got to get paid as well. Yeah, And I 341 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: don't want to throw Western New York into a panic 342 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: with this because you know, Buffalo isn't in quite the 343 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: scorched dirt scenario that a team like New Orleans or 344 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: Philadelphia might be in right now with their cap situations, 345 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: they're right there. I mean, they're within six million of 346 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: where one seventy five is anticipated to be. But still, 347 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: the fact remains that their three other division rivals are 348 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: in healthier cap situations because they're at a different juncture 349 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: in their build per se. You know, New England bit 350 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: the bullet this past year on the cap to get 351 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: their house in order, and now they'll have money to spend. 352 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 1: Miami is in a healthier cap situation than Buffalo, and 353 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: so two are the Jets who are starting anew with 354 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: another new head coach. So when you think about those dynamics, 355 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: it's hard not to think Mark that very quickly they 356 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: can close the gap on Buffalo just because they're in 357 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: a healthier cap situation than the Bills are faced with 358 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: because of this COVID situation. So could you see a 359 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: scenario where those teams, if they make the right decisions, 360 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: could close the gap, maybe sooner rather than later in 361 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: a normal offseason. Yeah, well, again, they're closing the gap 362 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: with the cat Obviously there's other factors besides the cat. 363 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: You got a draft, well, you gotta sign sign the 364 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: right free agents, not to spend the money. But most importantly, 365 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: what the advantage that the Bills have is the quarterback. 366 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: So you mentioned those other three teams, Sam Darnold hasn't 367 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: shown it. Now the Jets have the second pick, will 368 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: there be a quarterback there to close the gap? For 369 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: you guys New England. You know they have nobody at 370 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: quarterback right now who knows and where they're picking. Don't 371 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: think they'll really get one. The free agent market for 372 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: quarterbacks not that strong. And then my amy, it's two 373 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: of the is he the guy you know there's obviously 374 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: the Dolphins have come out in the offseason and said 375 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: that he is, but there's a lot of question marks 376 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: about that. So they can have the cap space, but 377 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: can they do enough around the quarterback situation to close 378 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: the gap with you guys with Josh Allen and right 379 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: now I'm looking at it and and I don't think they 380 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: can now maybe a couple of years down the line 381 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: if they can get the quarterback, because uh, you know, 382 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: that's the key to everything, as you guys have seen 383 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: there in Buffalo with Josh and his development, and two 384 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: years ago you're saying something completely different than you're you're 385 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: saying now with being in the in the NFC Championship 386 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: game with him. So that's the key where you know, 387 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: the quarterback brings everybody up, brings a level of everybody up. 388 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: Those teams, those are the three teams in the division 389 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: right now, do not have that. So I don't care 390 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: how much cap space they got. If they can't make 391 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: that competitive with the Bills with Josh Allen, then it 392 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: won't be that fast to the turnaround. Well, you brought 393 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: it up Josh Allen, and probably he's going to get 394 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: extended by the Buffalo Bills. Question, and what's your observations 395 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: about how different teams in the league handle that you 396 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: look around? It's extremes are very fairly obvious. Carson Wentz, 397 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: who was an MVP candidate until he went out of 398 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: that year and the team went on and won the 399 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: Super Bowl after he had gotten them all those wins 400 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: early in the season. Then you've got a guy like 401 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott who went ahead and played under the franchise tag. 402 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: You've got Kirk Cousins who did that, played under the 403 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: franchise tag. You know Alex Smith, who who has bounced 404 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: around the league as a top plick. How do you 405 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: what's your observation and thoughts about how teams should handle 406 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: and when they should extend a young quarterback like a 407 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, like a Baker Mayfield. It is Seawan Watson, 408 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. We've seen all these guys. Yeah, I think 409 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: the guys that have been extended recently, you really have 410 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: seen the evidence that they are franchise perennial playoff in 411 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: some cases of Patrick Mahomes the greatest guy ever. You 412 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: know that those sort of caliber people, but you see mistakes, 413 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: especially that you mentioned Carson Wentz but Jared Golf where 414 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: you know, teams should extend guys early, but are you 415 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: really evaluating that quarterback for his value as opposed to, okay, 416 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: we just have to extend him right now, And you 417 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: know talking about Jared Golf when you're talking about okay, 418 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: if we if we have a good offensive line and 419 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: we run the ball and our defense play as well, 420 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: we've got our playmakers at receiver, he can get it 421 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: done well, then you're saying, well, what actually is he doing? 422 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: Is he worth that? As opposed to if you look 423 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: at Josh Allen, You're like, he didn't have a running game. 424 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: You know, obviously Stefan Days was a big thing, but 425 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: when you watch him play, you're like, wow, that's the 426 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: He's the reason why that offense is going. As opposed 427 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: to we need everything else to prop up the quarterback, 428 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: and the quarterbacks that make everything go are the ones 429 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: that should get paid. The ones you have to prop up. 430 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: I don't believe should be paid, and you just get 431 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: caught up and we have to do it. You mentioned 432 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott as well. I mean you saw his value. 433 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: There was a lot of is Dak worth it? Is 434 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: he worth it? He lit up, he lait it up 435 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: earlier in the year, and then he got hurt and 436 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: he really showed, man, he is worth it that you know, 437 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: the team kind of fell apart without him. So it'll 438 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: be interesting to see what Dallas does with him. But 439 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: if he can't get paid to nobody should so Mark, 440 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: if you look at the quarterback landscape, and I know 441 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: there's some national reporters that have already said, we're going 442 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: to see if you thought last year's quarterback musical chairs 443 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: was active, it's going to be even to a greater 444 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: degree this year. Some have even said upwards of eighteen 445 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: different quarterbacks could be on the move. That seems like 446 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: a really high number to me, I could I can't 447 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 1: wrap my head around ten or twelve, which to me 448 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: would even be seismic in terms of quarterback movement. But 449 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 1: it looks like the Rams have buyer's remorse, and it 450 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: looks like there are some others teams out there that 451 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: are saying to themselves, if I don't have a top 452 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: five guy, I should look for better because I'm not 453 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: going to have a chance to compete. So do you 454 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: think that line of thinking is is prompting this potential 455 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: movement that we could witness this offseason. Yeah, no question. 456 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: And it's it's it's always been supplying to man with 457 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: quarterbacks where there's not been enough great quarterbacks to go around, 458 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: and the value of quarterbacks have been undervalued for all 459 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: these years, in my opinion, every year I've been in 460 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: this like it's the most important position in sports and 461 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: it's not even close. And it's like you need one 462 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: of these elite guys to get into the entry into 463 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: this deal. Okay, now you can have a year or 464 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: two or your your defense played out of their mind 465 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: and you've got an average guy and get But if 466 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 1: you want to compete year in and and year out, the 467 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: only way to do it is to have Patrick Mahomes 468 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: and Josh Allen and Deshaun Watson. Um, you know Deshaun Watson, 469 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: he's a lot going to talk. That's a whole another 470 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: subject with Heed, but at least you have that guy 471 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: to work with. And I think teams are for some 472 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: reason have undervalued the value of the franchise quarterback. And 473 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: now you're going to see it this offseason where let's 474 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: count let's say eight elite guys that say we're going 475 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,239 Speaker 1: in next year knowing that this guy can do it 476 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: for us, and all these other teams are saying they can't. 477 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: And again I just mentioned you know, we talked about 478 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: maybe eighteen. There's we talked about the afcast. There's three 479 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: right there that you know, Sam Darnold hasn't showed. Are 480 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: they going to take another guy that can be turned 481 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: around New England? They have to because they had no 482 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: quarterback and is two of the guy. Will they go 483 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: back and forth with this Patrick or draft someone else 484 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: because they're picking so high. So and if you just 485 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: go team by team around the league, there's not many 486 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: that you can count on and say we feel like 487 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: we really have the guy to compete. Yeah. You also 488 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: got to know too that there's a lot of really 489 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks, particular in the AFC that have come out 490 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: and played really well. And Pat Mahomes is a great example. 491 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: His second year was the MVP of the league. Lamar 492 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: Jackson and his year was the MVP of the league, 493 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: and Pat Mahomes is now Super Bowl MVP. Josh Allen 494 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: took him three years to get there, but he steadily 495 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: got there. Then you got Joe Burrow coming out lightening 496 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: it up a little bit as a rookie, Justin Herbert 497 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: doing the same thing. You've got guys that is it, 498 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: and I know it's how important the position is. But 499 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: the game has changed as well. It seems that the 500 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: pro game has bent itself to be a little bit 501 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,959 Speaker 1: more like the college game in order to get better 502 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: play out of that position. No question, and used to, 503 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, growing up and scouting, it was always the NFL. 504 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,239 Speaker 1: It was trickled down almost, okay, and you've tried to 505 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: force those college guys into what the NFL was doing, 506 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: but slowly slowly. Finally they said, it trickled up where 507 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: the concepts that colleges are doing, the pro teams are accepting, 508 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: and the better teams with more creative offensive coordinators and 509 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 1: head coaches like you guys at Priyan Dable. I mean 510 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: the stuff he does there is for him to develop 511 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: Josh and not do certain things with him throughout the 512 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: years so he could develop and then work on his strengths. 513 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: That's what you need. It's not he can't do this. 514 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: We're going to try to make him keep practicing this. 515 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: To do this, what are his strengths that we can 516 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: maximize our offense with? And you're seeing more and more 517 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: of that, you know, I think it's just been that 518 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: group of extremely talented players that have unique skill sets. 519 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: He mentioned all those guys and are all kind of 520 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: different in their own way, but they had a system 521 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: that work with their strengths as opposed to trying to 522 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: dismiss that. But again, it's still a certain amount, and 523 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: if you go year by year, it's still only a 524 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: pocket of like under ten that you're saying, here's the 525 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: elite group of quarterbacks. Now it just happens to be 526 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of really young guys. Now we got 527 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Drew Brees who are kind of hanging 528 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: on there, and Aaron Rodgers, but the elite group right 529 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: now just happens to be a lot of really young 530 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: players Kyler Murray and the NFC and you know those 531 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: sort of players. What are some of your observations about 532 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: this hiring cycle and also about the diversity too. I mean, 533 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: it just seems like we spend too much time lamenting 534 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: the fact that the league is dominated by so many, 535 00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, worthy, upstanding, great black guys who don't seem 536 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: to get the same shot as young guys who come 537 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,479 Speaker 1: up who happen to be white. Is there What are 538 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: your thoughts about that in the diversity and the hiring cycle. Yeah, 539 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: obviously this is a subject that's very passionate for me, 540 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: and you see it in the head coaching side and 541 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: on the general manager side for so many years, and 542 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: I work with the league office with a lot of 543 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: the diversity initiatives trying to rectify if you thought, after 544 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: all the attention and the awareness that got brought to 545 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: it prior to this cycle, because of what's happened the 546 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: last few years, that you see more of a change, 547 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: but obviously it hasn't as we haven't seen someone hired. 548 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: And the frustrating part is someone like a Leslie Frasier 549 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: or Eric the Enemy, where you see the qualifications, you 550 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: see the credentials, you see the background, but then it's always, well, 551 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: they don't do this, they don't do that. But then 552 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: white candidates they can just get hired without having to 553 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: do all that, and it's always the one thing they 554 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: do is magnified of something great and mean you just 555 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: look at you know, there's three black coordinators in the 556 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: Super Bowl right now, like Brian final Leftage, uh, you know, 557 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: b Enemy and then Tyle Bowls. I actually Tampa had 558 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: their special team's coordinator Keith Armstrong as well. So that's 559 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: the frustrating part. And then when you see Brandon Staley 560 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: get hired right from Division three four years later, he's 561 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: a head coach in the NFL. That would never happen 562 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: with a black They wouldn't even be a position coach 563 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: with that sort of resume. Or you see it Dan Campbell, 564 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: you know we talked Eric the Enemy doesn't call it 565 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: plays with Dan Campbell has never even been a coordinator. 566 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: And then you see the press conference talking about Biden kneecaps, 567 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: and if that was you know, black candidates, they would 568 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: never they would get torn down completely by that stuff 569 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: instead of the exalted. So that's the frustration where you know, 570 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: black candidates just wanted to be fair and equal and 571 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: the same standards applied to both sides and no handouts 572 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: and all that, but just don't just don't say you 573 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: can't do this. But then a white white candidates completely 574 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 1: do not have close to what the credentials are and 575 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: they're getting hired. So obviously it didn't work this cycle. 576 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: We need to keep working on it, and we need 577 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: to keep fighting and uh, you know, fully in time 578 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: it'll change. You're talking about two out of what I 579 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: think it was seven vacant head coaching jobs that would 580 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: be filled by minorities, Robert Sala being the other minority 581 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: higher and then at the GM level it was basically 582 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: Terry Fontino in Atlanta, correct, that's the only area. In 583 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: Brad Holmes got hired in Detroit, oh right, right, yeah, 584 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: and then and then and then in Washington Martin Mayhew. 585 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: So Martin got after the fact with Marty Herning at first, 586 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: and then they brought Martin in so Yeah, it's it's 587 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: been that was a lot more progress on the GM side, 588 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: but again there's still only five in the league, or 589 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: four total gyms in the league, so you know, this 590 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: was a big push on that side, but the total 591 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: numbers are still way down, so uh, you know, it's 592 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: it's a lot of work. And you mentioned that the 593 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: three candidates there, it's just their background and credentials, they've 594 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: been around it so long. Well, they're all over fifty 595 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: years old too, Like you're talking about a thirty seven 596 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: year old getting hired in LA who's, as you said, 597 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: four years removed from Division three man. What more does 598 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: the enemy or Leslie Fraser who's been a head coach before. 599 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: I mean, they're all over fifty years of age. They've 600 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: paid their dues, right, their dudes. And when you when 601 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: you look at the good head coaches, black candidates have 602 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: had to have played in the NFL for a while, 603 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: coach for a long time, and then they're brought up. 604 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: There's never a okay, go from A to Z real 605 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: quick to the job and get considered for even a 606 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: coordinator job, let alone a head coaching job. So even 607 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: for a coordinator job, and you know, just comparing Let's 608 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: just say, you know what Byron left, which is Dungeon. 609 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: Just the fact that Houston interviewed Josh McCown and Jim 610 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: Calwell on the same day, That to me was the 611 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: biggest discrepancy. If people can't see the difference of a 612 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: former player who has never coached at college or the NFL, 613 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: at any any position the same day interviews as a 614 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: guy that all right. He was a head coaching college 615 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: at Wake Forest. He's coached thirty years, he went to 616 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, he took one of the worst organizations 617 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: in the history of football and had three winning seasons 618 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: and playoff team, and they interviewed for the same exact job. 619 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: There's no right that you can compare to say, this 620 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: man right here has all these credentials, this guy has none, 621 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: but they're they're being considered, and those are the sort 622 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: of discrepancies we had to record fire right, and I 623 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: would agree. I'm glad. I'm glad you brought that to light. 624 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: I got um let's see, I want to ask you this. 625 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: We talked about these young quarterbacks and I want to 626 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: get your observations on when you what are the what 627 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: do you look for when it's not when it's not 628 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: Josh Allen or Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow or Pat 629 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: Mahomes or Kyler Murray or something. What happens when it's 630 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: like to a tangle by Lower or Sam Darnold. When 631 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: when do you like to say, thanks for stopping by, 632 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: but we got to move on. I mean what You 633 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because if the Bills would have 634 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: been quick to the triggered, they would have kicked Josh 635 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: out into the curb after halfway through his rookie year 636 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: or something like that. You know what I'm saying. Statistically, 637 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: I think with quarterbacks there's always you can see something there. 638 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: You can see this guy, And even with Josh when 639 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: he struggled early, to me, you could just see there 640 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: was something there that kind of kept going and going 641 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: and gone. It was like there was that playmaking element 642 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: that he had despite some of the you know, the 643 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: tossing the ball behind him and the interceptions he had, 644 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: but there was still that that gravitized that moxie that 645 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: he had that you thought you could develop, whereas some 646 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,720 Speaker 1: other guys don't show that and you're trying to force 647 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: them to have it. Or thinking again, as I mentioned earlier, 648 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: putting all these other things around them and then they'll 649 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: be better. Whenever you're talking about those sort of things. Really, 650 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: it genuinely doesn't work now with Josh, when you guys 651 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: brought us to find Diggs in there, it did help, 652 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: but he had already shown enough to say, Okay, he 653 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: has this in him. This will just help him out 654 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: as opposed to well, you know kind of when you 655 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: just justin Herbert when you watched him early, you just 656 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: saw it whereas a two in my eyes, and I 657 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: wasn't a big too a proponent coming out of college. 658 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: I was kind of, you know, on the minority with that. 659 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: But when and even when you watch him this year, 660 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: you're like, this is the guy that everybody's been talking about, 661 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: that the greatest quarterback of all time. You just don't 662 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: see a lot of special traits or qualities with him, um, 663 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: and then the organization really has to be honest with that. 664 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: And you see this a lot with older quarterbacks as well, 665 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: where they're on the decline and you're thinking they're going 666 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: to get it back, They're going to get it back. 667 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 1: You saw that with Ben Roethlisberger this year in Pittsburgh, 668 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 1: whereas he's going to be he's going back. Once those 669 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,479 Speaker 1: guys kind of hit the cliff and go down, they're 670 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: not coming back, and teams have a hard time being 671 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: honest with that and assessing it and saying we have 672 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: to try to move on. You know, I was with 673 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: the Giants, who are Eion Manning's last years, and he's 674 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: there's no more beloved figure, if forward organization of any 675 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: team in history than Eli Manning is with the with 676 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: the Deer Giants at certain fan base, especially with the 677 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: ownership and the organization. So it was so hard for 678 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people to say, you know what, this 679 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: guy can't do it anymore. And that's when teams make 680 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: mistakes and you see it year in and year out 681 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: and again, Ben, I guess they're going to bring them 682 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,919 Speaker 1: back next year too, instead of saying, wow, I don't 683 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: know if we can get it done. So if you 684 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: have to be honest with your assessments, see what you 685 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: see on the film and not grade and make decisions 686 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: with emotionally or with your heart. Yeah, I know our 687 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: time is tight here, but I did want to squeeze 688 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: this last one in just because of your draft season expertise. Again, 689 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: COVID is going to make this a different kind of 690 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: draft prep offseason than we've ever seen before. We heard 691 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: Brandon being earlier today talking about how they can only 692 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: have ten guys go to the Senior Bowl. They got 693 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: to get tested every day, virtual interviews for draft prospects. 694 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: The pro days are going to take on an enormous 695 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: amount of importance. But it's hard for me not to 696 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: remember an old comment by Buddy Nicks, a long time 697 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: guy in the scouting world, as you well know Mark, 698 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: who said I need to smell their breath. And it 699 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: sounds ridiculous, but he's right, Like you have to read 700 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: a prospect's body language in an interview setting. You don't 701 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: get that in a zoom interview. How are they going 702 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: to work around all of the hurdles that stand in 703 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: their way to make the same kind of educated decisions 704 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: in a process that is largely a crapshoot to begin with? Yeah, 705 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: well you can look at that both ways. Where you know, Buddy, 706 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: Buddy says that come and scouts always say that. But 707 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of mistakes too. I mean, half 708 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: the first round is not working. So maybe this is 709 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: a better way to teams will say, let's be more 710 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: efficient and effective and look at different ways to do it. 711 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: And just like they've had to adapt throughout the regular 712 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: scouting season with how they've had to evaluate teams, they're 713 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: going to have to even do it more throughout this season. 714 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: So I'm through the postseason with all Star games and 715 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: the Combine and Pro Days and all right, how can 716 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: we get an angel and other teams? Let's not say 717 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: we can't do these things. How can we maximize this 718 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: process that we're in right now and do it better 719 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: than what other teams are doing as opposed to being 720 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: crippled by the process. And again, a lot of times 721 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: to me that always the essence of scouting is the 722 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: film is the film is the film. And the further 723 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: way you get from the season through this process, and 724 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: I've been a part of twenty plus years of scouting, 725 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: the further people get away from the film and all 726 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: these other factors start coming into the forty times, the 727 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: vertical jumps, the interview process, the psychological tests, you get 728 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: away from what the real essence of what a player is. 729 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: And it's interesting. I just watched the Alabama receivers back 730 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: to back. DeVante Smith, who you guys all know about 731 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: and Jalen Waddell. And throughout this process, the further you 732 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: get away from the film of DeVante Smith, you're gonna 733 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 1: start hearing more and more Rob j L y L 734 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: because he's going to run a fast forty, he's gonna burgle, 735 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna do all these things, and people are gonna 736 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: start saying, even though this guy that won the Heisman 737 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 1: had had all this and dominated, this teammate of his 738 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: is going to be a better prospect. So that's just 739 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: one example I just wanted to bring up. I think 740 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: the essence of film. The teams that have better evaluators 741 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: of the film, I think they'll they'll prosper throughout this supermarket. 742 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: As always, thanks for the time, Always pleasure to talk 743 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: to you, and we look forward to maybe catch it 744 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: up with you again before we get to a full 745 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: blown draft season. Sure, let's do it. Appreciate you guys 746 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: having me on. All right, We wrap up this week's 747 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: edition of One Bill's Light with a new segment that 748 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: we call would you Believe it? It's almost a page 749 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: out of the old Van Miller playbook? Do you believe it? So? 750 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: But instead we change it a little would you believe it? 751 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: So I present Steve with a trend or percentage figure 752 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: from the NFL, and then I asked him, would you 753 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: believe it? So? All Steve really needs to do here 754 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: is asess whether the trend or figure sounds credible. Steve, 755 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,720 Speaker 1: are you ready? All? Okay? So first up, Travis Kelsey 756 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: is already set. You're gonna set, You're gonna say something, 757 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: gonna set you up for something, and you tell me 758 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: whether it's credible or got you? Okay? So first up, 759 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey has already set the single season record for 760 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: most receiving yards by a tight end in the regular 761 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: season in the playoffs, he has seventeen hundred and three 762 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: this season, and obviously he can add to that total 763 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. The guy he passed is a 764 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: guy he will face in the Super Bowl, Rob Gronkowski, 765 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: who had fifteen hundred and eighty five yards. So, Steve, 766 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: would you believe it? If I told you? In league history, 767 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey already has four of the top five receiving 768 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: yardage totals by a tight end regular season and playoffs, 769 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: four out of the five. Would you believe it? Four 770 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: out of the top five seasons in history for a 771 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: tight end receiving yards regular season and playoffs. He's got 772 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 1: of the top five, four of the top five. What'd 773 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 1: you believe it's Steve Now, wait a minute. He had 774 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: a seventeen hundred yard this year and that passed Cows 775 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: You had fifteen eighty five. So he passed it by 776 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: one hundred and eighteen yard nine twenty year, right, so 777 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: he has to have the other three in the top 778 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: five as well, and he crushed that by over one 779 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 1: hundred year. I say, I would say I would believe that. Okay, 780 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: Well I kind of tricked you a little bit. It's 781 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,959 Speaker 1: not true. But he does have three of the top five. 782 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 1: He doesn't have four of the top five, but he's 783 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: got three. Okay. So Travis Kelsey seventeen oh three this season, 784 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: and that number is gonna go up. Okay, Then Rob 785 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: grin Coowski, as I said, fifteen eighty five and two 786 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: thousand and eleven, there was another tight end in two 787 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: thousand and eleven, Jimmy Graham, New Orleans fourteen sixty eight, 788 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,280 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey in twenty eighteen, fourteen sixty seven, Travis Kelsey 789 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen fourteen thirty six. He's got three of 790 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,879 Speaker 1: the top five Steve, three of the top five that 791 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: the record. Yes, so he's getting better, he's I mean 792 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: he could have eighteen hundred. He could be in the 793 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: eighteen hundred yard club that we did for the Numbers game. Yeah, 794 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: as a tight end, he'd be the only eight. I 795 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: think it's his eighth. He's thirty years old. He's gonna 796 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,959 Speaker 1: go to the Hall of Fame. Oh yeah, no, that's 797 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 1: I think that's a done deal. Seal him all right? 798 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: So last, would you believe it? For you? Okay, Josh Allen? 799 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: I found this stat Josh Allen, when holding the ball 800 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: for four seconds or more was sacked fifteen percent of 801 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 1: the time. But that was the lowest percentage in the NFL. 802 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,760 Speaker 1: Would you believe that? Would you believe that being sacked 803 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: fifteen percent of the time is the lowest percentage in 804 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 1: the NFL when holding the ball for four seconds or more? Okay? 805 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,799 Speaker 1: For reference, in twenty nineteen, Josh Allen was sacked on 806 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: thirty percent of the dropbecks Okay that he held on it. 807 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: So he cut his percentage of getting sacked when holding 808 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: the ball for forty seconds or more in half. This 809 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: year four seconds not But do you think fifteen percent 810 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: is the lowest percentage in the NFL. Would you believe 811 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: that Josh Allen is the best at holding the ball 812 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: for four seconds or long and not getting sacked, basically 813 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: having the lowest sacked percentage? Would you believe it? I 814 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:40,439 Speaker 1: would say I would say no. I would not say 815 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,479 Speaker 1: he's the least sacked. Well, I don't know. He didn't 816 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 1: sack too much when he held onto it. Now I'm 817 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: gonna say no, I would not believe it. I think 818 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: there's somebody who got sacked at a lower rate than 819 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: that because they were because they because like guys like 820 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and that they throw it away a lot 821 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,399 Speaker 1: more than Josh does. And Josh takes that occasional bad way. 822 00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,919 Speaker 1: He took a couple of them in Kansas City game. 823 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say no, I do not believe it. 824 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 1: Believe it's Steve. Really, it was the lowest percentage in 825 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: the NFL. So if you hold the ball for more 826 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: than four seconds and you get and and Josh only 827 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,240 Speaker 1: got sacked fifteen percent of the time this year while 828 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 1: holding onto it for four seconds or more, and that's 829 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: lower than anybody. That is the lowest figure in the league, 830 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: which shocked me too, because logic would say, well, we've 831 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: seen him get sacked when he holds onto it too, 832 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: plus holding onto sides to get away from people think 833 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: he's you think he's gonna at least throw it away. 834 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,439 Speaker 1: I guess he's gotten better throwing it away too, because 835 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: when you throw it away, it doesn't count as a sack. 836 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's good on him. Yeah, So he 837 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: held it for four seconds or more eighteen percent of 838 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: the time. No, no, no, no, no no, um is that 839 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: what it means? Well, he held the ball for four 840 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: seconds or more on almost eighteen that's the second highest 841 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: rate in the league. So he held onto the ball 842 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: for four seconds or more more than almost anybody. But 843 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: yet at the same time had the lowest sac rate 844 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 1: of fifteen percent. That's pretty amazing. It's pretty good. That's amazing. 845 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: That's why those wide receivers were doing a nice job too. 846 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: You get a lot well scramble rules. You know what 847 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 1: I thought in the tell me if you saw this 848 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,720 Speaker 1: in the AFC title game. I felt like the Chiefs 849 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: DBS had studied the scramble rules of the Bills Is 850 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 1: that something you can kind of pick up on on film. Yeah. 851 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: I really feel like they knew what the bills scramble 852 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: rules are, and obviously Josh rolling to the right a 853 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: lot probably helped them scout that too. I would think 854 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: if you're doing it, they plastered really well. Eighteen percents, 855 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: almost twenty percent. One out of every five dropbacks, you 856 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: get a chance to look at it, and they can 857 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,439 Speaker 1: probably rehearse that. Thinking at least one out of every 858 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,879 Speaker 1: five dropbacks, we're get your chance to get this guy 859 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,359 Speaker 1: in a scramble, Drew, We'll be able to because then 860 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: you're more confident sloughing off, Like if you got this 861 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 1: guy and he's gonna do something, you kind of think 862 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: you can slough off, Yeah, and look around and find 863 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: the guy whose rule you know, and get it. Get it. 864 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: Was curious about that. I had to ask you about that. Yeah, 865 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure they chance, I'm sure they can do that. 866 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: It's a smart thing to do, and teams will do. 867 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: And when in doubt, you know you're facing the buffalo 868 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 1: offense if you have if you're not sure, go to 869 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: the left because Josh is probably rolling out to his right, 870 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, and he started rolling 871 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: out a little bit to his left, a little bit, 872 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: a little bit more, and they and they had one 873 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: where it was called where he beat the Patriots going 874 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: to his left. But um, yeah, that's yeah, absolutely, they'll 875 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: scout that out and find that out. You decipher their 876 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: rules and take advantage of it. Yeah, would you believe it? Yes, 877 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: you have to, he was, I can't. I still can't 878 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 1: believe it. Held onto the ball for four seconds or 879 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: more more often than anybody else, but got sacked the 880 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,239 Speaker 1: least when doing it, crazy like at two ends of 881 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 1: the spectrum there you wouldn't expect it, which was why 882 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: it was a good example, a good one to use 883 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 1: for would you believe it? But that will do it 884 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: for this episode of One Bill's Light, we thank you 885 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: for joining us. Be sure to hit that subscribe button 886 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 1: and remember, and there isn't enough time for One Bills 887 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,320 Speaker 1: Live on Monday to Friday. There is always enough time 888 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,760 Speaker 1: for One Bill's Life. For leave tasker, I'm Chris Brown. 889 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.