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Speaker 1: and now your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: Today is Tuesday, March fourth, twenty twenty five, and we
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Speaker 2: We've got Brian brought us, We've got Tommy yarsh with
Speaker 2: Chris Beam in the back on Kyle Yeomans, and for
Speaker 2: the first time since before the Senior bull We've got
Speaker 2: itself back on the Draft Show.
Speaker 3: It's the one, the only, the Nick.
Speaker 4: Harris Yes, Senior Bowls, Super Bowl and then Combine and
Speaker 4: then I got six somewhere in between. But it's good
Speaker 4: to be back. I am so happy to talk draft
Speaker 4: and nothing else.
Speaker 3: You've been a world traveler. Nothing all over. What just
Speaker 3: happened about three seconds? Yeah? Nothing, nothing at all, nothing whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I may have just broken and taken a possible position
Speaker 2: off of.
Speaker 3: Our draft board. Or does it Yes? I think it does. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I think it. But at the I think
Speaker 3: maybe at a position, if you say the ones in
Speaker 3: the threes, I think it takes yeah, yeah, okay, instead
Speaker 3: of maybe having Walter Nolan at twelve. Now do you
Speaker 3: kind of think about something there. I still draft defensive
Speaker 3: tackles in this draft.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I think I would still draft defensive interior.
Speaker 4: And shoot, if Mason Grahams somehow falls at twelve, you
Speaker 4: have a legitimate conversation about that.
Speaker 3: Sure, but I think.
Speaker 4: If this also did easy one news ends up getting
Speaker 4: confirmed and by the team yes, yeah, yeah, then this
Speaker 4: I think it takes the need of having to get
Speaker 4: a three tech right there at twelve, a guy like
Speaker 4: Walter Nolan, Yeah, out out of the equation. But that
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that you can't go on day three and
Speaker 4: get a guy like No it's.
Speaker 3: People, no, no, no, no, no question about that. The
Speaker 3: thing to me is, like I know that when they
Speaker 3: said that they were going to get or work on
Speaker 3: getting OSA done, I immediately took Walter Nolan Adham off
Speaker 3: the board. I took not yeah, I took him out
Speaker 3: of my mind. Yeah, but it doesn't stop me from
Speaker 3: looking at these ones and looking at threes. I'm just
Speaker 3: not looking at him and you know, probably at you know,
Speaker 3: at twelve or at forty four.
Speaker 2: We're referencing the reports that have surfaced as of literally
Speaker 2: one minute ago, I mean we were literally counting down
Speaker 2: into the show and Ian rapperport Adam Schefter on Twitter
Speaker 2: the reports are and like Nick alluded to, the team
Speaker 2: has not confirmed. But four years, eighty million dollars an
Speaker 2: extension for Ostgezuwa fifty eight million guaranteed is what it
Speaker 2: appears to be. So Cowboys that playing the place the
Speaker 2: franchise tag on Osa that would have been about twenty
Speaker 2: five million dollars, and of course down a one year
Speaker 2: deal instead, he opted to take the multi year deal
Speaker 2: that ends up being more guaranteed money, but over a
Speaker 2: longer period of time. This is a win for both parties.
Speaker 2: I think whenever it's all, I.
Speaker 3: Kind of feel like this is really a win for
Speaker 3: Matty Eberflus. Yes, absolutely, I think Matt Eberflus probably came
Speaker 3: in him and the staff sat down and watched the tape.
Speaker 3: He is from the he originally from the Rob Ryan
Speaker 3: administration of three four odd Defense, yep, and he's morphed
Speaker 3: into a Rod Marinelli for three guy, and Rod Marinelli
Speaker 3: always talked about how important that three technique was, you know,
Speaker 3: even to the point where he got the Cowboys to
Speaker 3: sign Tyron Crawford. Remember they were thinking about, you know, like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: here's our three technique in the future. And Crawford unfortunately
Speaker 3: was just too banged up to really have any kind
Speaker 3: of influence you know, on the team that way. But
Speaker 3: uh yeah, and if this in fact the reports are true,
Speaker 3: you know, good for the team to get that done.
Speaker 3: I please, I hope it doesn't keep them from going
Speaker 3: out and doing other things. Yes, And like I said,
Speaker 3: we've learned that you have to play in all three.
Speaker 3: You have to be able to draft, you have to
Speaker 3: be able to trade, and you have to be able
Speaker 3: to play in free agency. And if you don't do
Speaker 3: all three, then you're going to fall behind the other
Speaker 3: teams that are win Super Bowls.
Speaker 5: We're just talking about this on talking before we started
Speaker 5: this show. In terms of you made a good point
Speaker 5: about three techniques. In Matt Aberfluss's defense, he's called him
Speaker 5: the engine is the word that he used of their defense.
Speaker 5: And I think that if this is in fact the case,
Speaker 5: that OsO Diggisy was back in Dallas for a long term.
Speaker 5: You've got that, and you've got one box checked.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: The other position that's been really good in his defense too,
Speaker 5: has been the nickel corner spot. So Jordan Lewis is
Speaker 5: the name that comes to mind in terms of a
Speaker 5: guy that you want to keep in house, because if
Speaker 5: you're going to be a draft and developed team, you've
Speaker 5: got to take the guys that you draft and develop
Speaker 5: and keep them in town. And I think both of
Speaker 5: those guys fit perfectly into this scheme.
Speaker 3: You know. Can I can ask a question here though?
Speaker 3: Of course, sure, just in the form of team building.
Speaker 3: And we all understand Osa had a really nice year
Speaker 3: last year for this football team. But with this the
Speaker 3: depth that the position at the defensive tackles spot, could
Speaker 3: you have let that ride and drafted it like you
Speaker 3: maybe thought about, like you double dip that thing.
Speaker 4: You're really banking on that. Yeah, I think so, But you're.
Speaker 3: I mean, are you paying a position that in the draft?
Speaker 3: And listen, I'm happy Dallas did it. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: I'm but I'm just wondering if if you if you
Speaker 3: resigned a linebacker or you were signed something that didn't
Speaker 3: have depth in the position. Is this one of those
Speaker 3: things you're gonna look back and you're gonna say, Wow,
Speaker 3: this contract. They signed a player. And I'm not complaining
Speaker 3: about them signing players. I'm just saying, as deep as
Speaker 3: the defensive tackle position is, is that a mistake or
Speaker 3: could it be seen as a mistake in team building? Maybe?
Speaker 2: But I'm looking at a team that let's just go
Speaker 2: down the history books, Justin Rodgers, Villiami Fojoco, John Ridgeway, Osa,
Speaker 2: Chauncey Golston. This is all over the last five drafts,
Speaker 2: Neville Gallimore.
Speaker 3: They've missed on a lot of defense.
Speaker 2: Okay, they've missed on a lot of might as well
Speaker 2: keep the one that you've They've missed on a.
Speaker 3: Lot of defensive tackles, but have names like Grant and
Speaker 3: Williams and Harmon and Alexander and Sanders and Norman Lott.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think I've seen a group of
Speaker 3: defensive tackles that have been this good. Well, a lot
Speaker 3: of those guys.
Speaker 2: That you mentioned, like Graham, I don't know if he's
Speaker 2: there at twelve.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying I was just saying that the
Speaker 3: name I said Grant. I didn't say Graham. I didn't
Speaker 3: say Graham. You could so throw Golden in there, throw
Speaker 3: Grant in there, Throw Williams from Ohio State, Harmon from Oregon,
Speaker 3: Alexander Alexander from Toledo, Sanders from South Carolina. This is
Speaker 3: a this is a deep group. I mean, heck, we
Speaker 3: you know, my man Nick here just threw a Peoples
Speaker 3: at me in the fourth round, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I just you wonder you wonder though, and with the
Speaker 3: ones Collins West, Philip sure cald Well, those names are
Speaker 3: better than anybody you just named. I mean to me,
Speaker 3: you're drafting one of these guys here. I think it's
Speaker 3: a much much better player than what they've had to
Speaker 3: deal with in the past that maybe they were, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe they're like, oh, we're kind of forced to have
Speaker 3: to do this and it doesn't work out as well.
Speaker 5: I'll say this, I don't think even if you still
Speaker 5: get a guy high, like if you look at that
Speaker 5: second round.
Speaker 6: Forty four, maybe one of these defensive tackles.
Speaker 5: Because I'm fully with Brian and this is an elite
Speaker 5: deep defensive tackle class. There is no problem with having
Speaker 5: too much depth. I think at the defensive tackle position.
Speaker 3: No question. And so, but you are spending twenty million
Speaker 3: dollars a year, I think if that on the position.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, you're not spending a top three
Speaker 2: round pick on your three tech.
Speaker 3: You've you've kind of you've addressed that it's there.
Speaker 2: But now you can address another spot too, because I'm
Speaker 2: also when I'm looking at this football team, Yes we
Speaker 2: needed three tech help. Yes, the Cowboys needed some help
Speaker 2: in that regard, but they also need help in wider
Speaker 2: They need help at running back, they need help at corner,
Speaker 2: they need help a linebacker at one tech. All of
Speaker 2: these different areas can now be addressed because you've checked
Speaker 2: a box and you've gotten.
Speaker 3: I'm still drafted the dude, And at forty four, I
Speaker 3: mean I might even think about it again. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not thinking about it at twelve. Now, I might
Speaker 3: think about it at twelve. Now. Okay, let me ask
Speaker 3: you guys this. Do you see Graham Michigan as a
Speaker 3: one or three technique? And if he's there, I mean
Speaker 3: my colleague to the left here, my scouty buddy here,
Speaker 3: he's like, Graham, sign me up, let's go. Yeah. See
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying is he a one or three
Speaker 3: on your board?
Speaker 4: I think he could play either, but I have him
Speaker 4: as a one.
Speaker 3: I do too. Ye see, there's guys around the league
Speaker 3: that say he's a three. But yeah, but he knew
Speaker 3: he lost all that weight. I think he did it
Speaker 3: for the combine to because he was going to get
Speaker 3: crushed at the combine their short arms. Doesn't look but
Speaker 3: just throw on the tape. Okay, the guy is a
Speaker 3: outstanding football player, but they were going to crush him
Speaker 3: on all the things at the combine that you measure.
Speaker 3: So to me, if you guys see him as the one,
Speaker 3: you seem two hundred ninety six pounds as a one
Speaker 3: or were you are you? You need to be like three.
Speaker 3: You need to be at least much like we.
Speaker 2: Thought about my same same scenario where he weighed in
Speaker 2: lower than we thought, and then he got here and
Speaker 2: he was under three hundred pounds of training camp. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he never really got back to that. It would
Speaker 2: be the same category for me, and I don't I
Speaker 2: don't want to go down that road.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. That's why I love, trust me. I
Speaker 3: love the fact that they got osa done. I'm really
Speaker 3: happy for him. I just wonder though, and this is
Speaker 3: not a complaint, but it's just you just signed a
Speaker 3: player twenty million dollars a year at one of the
Speaker 3: deepest positions in a draft in my opinion, yep. And
Speaker 3: that's where I think you have to look at it
Speaker 3: and you're like, Okay, maybe maybe they're not as high
Speaker 3: on these guys as we as I am.
Speaker 4: Maybe it'll also just be a burden hand situation where
Speaker 4: it's like, hey, we know this guy, he's been here
Speaker 4: four years, he's one of the best pass rushing defensive
Speaker 4: interior lineman. We're okay with putting that twenty million dollars
Speaker 4: per year price tag on him, rather than hey, you know,
Speaker 4: whoever you draft, whether they feel like Walter Nolan is
Speaker 4: a steal at twelve or or they feel like it's
Speaker 4: a reach at twelve, it would still be a guy
Speaker 4: that they'd be taking a chance on at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, rather than a guy that they already
Speaker 4: know that's been in the building for four years. They
Speaker 4: could still feel pretty good about this defensive tackle class.
Speaker 4: And you know, who's to say that they don't still
Speaker 4: get one in the first couple of days.
Speaker 3: Well, I hope they do. I hope they do. I
Speaker 3: just was wondering though, from what you guys thought about that,
Speaker 3: you know, spending money at a very very deep position.
Speaker 3: That's that's the only reason I brought that up.
Speaker 6: I understand your concern.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that Nick, well, it's not a concern,
Speaker 3: it's just a question.
Speaker 5: Well, I understand your question there. I think Knick's line
Speaker 5: of thinking is right. Where you keep the guy who's
Speaker 5: been a shirt commodity for you. This guy has played
Speaker 5: in every game that he's.
Speaker 3: Been in Dallas.
Speaker 5: Question the health of the availability is something that he's had.
Speaker 5: He started I think sixty three straight games. So you know,
Speaker 5: you keep a guy who has been in the building
Speaker 5: and now you know, gets to work with a guy
Speaker 5: who prioritizes his position and sure one of the best
Speaker 5: in the league of that position. Well, like I said,
Speaker 5: if they took a defensive tackle with at twelve, if
Speaker 5: they feel really good about a guy or forty four
Speaker 5: or even in the third I wouldn't feel bad about
Speaker 5: that at all. I think, I mean, look at what
Speaker 5: Philadelphia just did in the Super Bowl. I mean they
Speaker 5: were deep at the position. Yeah, and it absolutely completely
Speaker 5: changes how you can play the game.
Speaker 2: I mean one of the top available free agents right
Speaker 2: now is Milton Millon Williams exactly. I mean, they've they've
Speaker 2: elevated his draft stock even to get to that point.
Speaker 2: I like I said, I agree that it has to
Speaker 2: be asked and the question has to be asked, but
Speaker 2: apparently it was enough to answer.
Speaker 3: Oh no, they're fine. Are the issues that the Cowboys
Speaker 3: have run into is second contracts? Yeah, they have not
Speaker 3: always got the bang for the buck in the second
Speaker 3: contract and so you know that My hope is that
Speaker 3: that they actually this one that that starts the trend
Speaker 3: going the other way, and.
Speaker 2: They were proactive with it too, which is another thing
Speaker 2: they haven't done and has led.
Speaker 3: To that across the board.
Speaker 2: So different couple of options there with os Digizua and company.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: There was a story that I heard last week on
Speaker 4: O SO SO that I think is is kind of fascinating.
Speaker 4: Okay mentioned he has missed one game and his Cowboys career.
Speaker 4: It was one and it was in his rookie season.
Speaker 4: He had gotten a massage and the massage therapist had
Speaker 4: COVID and he was just being a good teammate and
Speaker 4: being a good you know, rookie and he's like, hey, guys, like,
Speaker 4: I just want to let y'all know. He's like, shut
Speaker 4: up if you weren't supposed to tell us.
Speaker 3: So they had to.
Speaker 4: They had to keep him out of a game in contact,
Speaker 4: uh with with somebody who had COVID.
Speaker 6: So like, he's really never responsible teammate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, responsible, good, good, good guy.
Speaker 3: That's why they brought him back. Yeah. Great, it's a
Speaker 3: great locker room guy.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: The NFL Combine, of course in the review mirror, a
Speaker 2: couple of standouts from there. Tommy, you made the trip
Speaker 2: out there, Nick, you were out there for a little bit.
Speaker 2: You're wearing her Indianapolis jack.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like an NBA All Star game yep, with a
Speaker 2: little racing flair to it too. Uh yeah, So, I
Speaker 2: mean who improved their draft stock? We just heard about, uh,
Speaker 2: what you you have with guys like Graham and Grant
Speaker 2: and what they've done at the NFL Combine. But what
Speaker 2: about the rest of the group. Anybody else stick out
Speaker 2: to you?
Speaker 3: Tommy? What position do you want anyone? Okay overall stand up?
Speaker 5: Well, well, we'll talk about defensive tackles. This is a
Speaker 5: guy that you brought up Kyle Tyree and Ingram Dawkins
Speaker 5: from Georgia six five and seventy six pounds ran a
Speaker 5: four to eight six forty thirty six inch vert at
Speaker 5: that size, that's that's pretty impressive. Two hundred and seventy
Speaker 5: six pounds A little light, but you know, if you're
Speaker 5: looking for, if we're talking about the Cowboys liking guys
Speaker 5: maybe later on in the draft at that position and
Speaker 5: they want to get some depth later on, I think
Speaker 5: Ingram Dawkins can.
Speaker 3: Be that for you.
Speaker 5: Jalen Nole from Iowa State, the wide receiver. A lot
Speaker 5: of talk about Jayden Higgins being that big outside target,
Speaker 5: and people are starting to find out now about Jaylen Nole.
Speaker 5: Bobby put out a Bobby Belt put out a good
Speaker 5: tweet yesterday about how everything we've heard about the guys,
Speaker 5: he's a great leader, and I think that's that sentiment
Speaker 5: is correct. You know, I remember talking to Jalen at
Speaker 5: Big twelve media days a couple of years ago when
Speaker 5: I was covering Texas, and you can tell that he
Speaker 5: kind of comes across as a light but then from
Speaker 5: a testing perspective four three nine in the forty eleven
Speaker 5: twelve in the in the broad jump and forty one
Speaker 5: and a half inch vertical jump, so I think that
Speaker 5: you could see him jump into the day two picture,
Speaker 5: and he maybe even goes earlier in the day.
Speaker 6: Two picture than you would think.
Speaker 5: And then Quinn shown Judkins running back from Ohio State.
Speaker 5: I thought had a very good combine, you know, I
Speaker 5: know the speed element of his Can he break away?
Speaker 5: Can he finish those long runs? It was a big
Speaker 5: question that was looming over and runs a four to
Speaker 5: four to eight forty not the best, but certainly not horrible.
Speaker 5: And then from an athletic standpoint, thirty eight and a
Speaker 5: half vertical jump, eleven feet in the broad jump at
Speaker 5: six one and twenty one pounds. So it's a deep
Speaker 5: running back class, but I think Judkins moved himself up
Speaker 5: maybe a couple of spots.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, those are some good names to throw
Speaker 4: out there. I want to stick with the receiver position
Speaker 4: at Matthew Golden running at four to eight four nine,
Speaker 4: Maxwell Harriston running a four to two eight as well,
Speaker 4: the corner out of Kentucky. You know, that's a guy
Speaker 4: that I think probably stamped a placement right around in
Speaker 4: the late twenties to early thirties as far as where
Speaker 4: he could go on draft weekend. Shamar Stewart is an
Speaker 4: interesting case because he had he only had four and
Speaker 4: a half sacks of production during his entire career at
Speaker 4: Texas A and M. But you see him generating pressure,
Speaker 4: you see him being active in the run game. You
Speaker 4: see that size coming around and ceiling the edge, and
Speaker 4: then he has this combine that just kind of blows
Speaker 4: everybody out of the water.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, this is our top fifteen guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, I feel like you could get some
Speaker 4: other better value in the top fifteen if we're talking
Speaker 4: that specifically personally, if we're talking about the edge position,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm more of a Mikel Williams guy than
Speaker 4: a Shamar Stewart guy. We're talking the top fifteen, even
Speaker 4: I know there's some other edges that are probably further
Speaker 4: than the first round. I have a first round great
Speaker 4: on Donovan as a ryaku out of Boston College. I
Speaker 4: might be on an island on that sense, but I
Speaker 4: think he is a hell of a pass rusher. Obviously
Speaker 4: not as big as Shamar Stewart or Mikel Williams, but
Speaker 4: I just feel like there's some other guys in that
Speaker 4: range you could work with, but I still he's still
Speaker 4: a winner from the combine. Also, want to take a
Speaker 4: look at Terrence Ferguson, the tight end out of Oregon
Speaker 4: had a really great combine as well. You look at
Speaker 4: the size on him, six' five. OVER i believe he
Speaker 4: came in over two fifty and had a great. Workout
Speaker 4: that's a guy who's probably stamped his placement as a
Speaker 4: day two. PICK i really liked WHAT i saw From Terrence.
Speaker 4: Ferguson and you know The cowboys tight end is on the.
Speaker 4: Board when Is when is tight end on the?
Speaker 3: Board is the?
Speaker 4: Question is it something you take a swing on on day? Three, like,
Speaker 4: hey we got this six?
Speaker 3: Round Come they're going to make everybody mad and take
Speaker 3: one at at in the.
Speaker 4: Third exactly they Take they Take Terrence ferguson and pair
Speaker 4: out The Ferguson. Bros for the next few. Years you,
Speaker 4: know how how does? That how does that work?
Speaker 3: Out i'm going to talk about real quick about Uh
Speaker 3: ursery From. Minnesota oh, Yeah, Arion yeah, yeah. Righty and
Speaker 3: there's no extra. Syllables the the thing about him is
Speaker 3: AND i AND i GUESS i meet. Personally these guys
Speaker 3: have got to show me that they played the way
Speaker 3: they test on. Tape if you don't do, That i'm
Speaker 3: not going to sit there and massively swing you up
Speaker 3: and down that. Board But urser is a guy that's
Speaker 3: interesting just for the fact that he tested much better
Speaker 3: at three hundred and thirty one pounds than he. PLAYS
Speaker 3: i do think And i'm Maybe i'm alone on. THIS
Speaker 3: i know that watched AND i go back and forth
Speaker 3: about this one little. BIT i think this is a
Speaker 3: slow footed, guy and you watch him coming out of his,
Speaker 3: stance and there's times he does he doesn't get away
Speaker 3: from the line particularly. Well but he tested like a
Speaker 3: guy that could be that type of. Player but you,
Speaker 3: know you've got to show me that you could play
Speaker 3: at these, speeds or you got to show me that
Speaker 3: you can play at this your your, power your, level
Speaker 3: your verticals and your broad, jump you, know the short.
Speaker 3: SHUTTLES a great example to me is AND i was
Speaker 3: watching the running back From Texas tech AND i was
Speaker 3: just AND i was just amazed, about you, know with his.
Speaker 3: Situation brooks is it Rights Codge, Brooks And i'm Watching
Speaker 3: Todge brooks play And i'm, thinking, like, okay well he
Speaker 3: ran four five two he's two hundred and fourteen. Pounds
Speaker 3: but you're, thinking, like there's some times where he gets
Speaker 3: caught and it doesn't look as as, fast maybe the
Speaker 3: long speed stuff like. That but what you do see
Speaker 3: is the, shuttle the four oh. Six you see that
Speaker 3: ability of the twenty yard. Sheld you see the, cut the,
Speaker 3: cut and then go the, cut the, cut the, cut then.
Speaker 3: Go so you see. That so there's ways you could
Speaker 3: take the combine numbers and apply him To if a
Speaker 3: player's playing that, way they spend hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 3: dollars testing for this thing or training for this. Thing
Speaker 3: just be careful out. There don't don't, let don't let combined.
Speaker 3: Workouts i'll remind you Of Mike mamula in a draft
Speaker 3: From Boston. College if you don't know Who Mike mamula,
Speaker 3: is go look him up and tell me what kind
Speaker 3: of career he. Had great combine, tester drafted seventh. Overall
Speaker 3: really from a combine raiders did it for a, year
Speaker 3: drafting combine guys that can, run they can't. Play make
Speaker 3: sure that the workouts show in the. Tape that's that's
Speaker 3: how you tie the two. Together it's actually a twitter
Speaker 3: on the twenty.
Speaker 2: Question yeah, too and we can hit it now since
Speaker 2: we're already talking about, it because it is a great
Speaker 2: reminder when you're putting these things together and you're building your,
Speaker 2: board use the combine as extra. Context don't use it
Speaker 2: as the, concrete, Right it's just extra things to go
Speaker 2: into your prep work to, Say, Wow Matthew golden did
Speaker 2: run before two. Eight that's you can see the separation your,
Speaker 2: speed there's route running all of this. Thing and then,
Speaker 2: oh by the, way he ran a four to two.
Speaker 2: Eight that means he can get up and go and
Speaker 2: he had a great split there. Too all of those things,
Speaker 2: matter but they're not the only. Thing don't let it
Speaker 2: be the only.
Speaker 5: Thing i'm gonna give you one more name here before
Speaker 5: we get To twitter on the twenty hours very, quickly
Speaker 5: And i'm looking right at my Guy Botch. Lombardi hope
Speaker 5: you feel, better, pal and happy related birthday. Too oh,
Speaker 5: Yeah Matthew golden From texas first round lock unbelievable combine and,
Speaker 5: yeah hook. Them AND i think this was a guy
Speaker 5: Who brian talked about marrying the tape with the combine.
Speaker 5: Performance AND i think that's the guy that at LEAST
Speaker 5: i feel like you see it with a. Speed for whatever,
Speaker 5: reason was a concern with him based on what you
Speaker 5: saw on.
Speaker 6: Tape this guy was a track. Star you knew he
Speaker 6: was going to do well at the.
Speaker 5: COMBINE i really think that this was a great move
Speaker 5: or a great excuse, me a great combine For Matthew.
Speaker 5: Gold and he's established himself among the best receivers in the.
Speaker 5: Class And i'll watch AND i have first round grades on.
Speaker 5: Him SO i don't know if you do, Too, brian.
Speaker 3: But i've got him down. There you, know if you're
Speaker 3: talking about like thirteen fourteen, players he's probably player, fifteen,
Speaker 3: sixteen seventeen in the, stacks so he's right. There but,
Speaker 3: yeah you guys were clearly the two guys that were
Speaker 3: on and For, yeah So.
Speaker 2: I've been marking, like whenever you guys bring up a
Speaker 2: guy on my, Board i'll put a little. Emoji and
Speaker 2: the emoji THAT i have for, You tommy is just The. Longhorn,
Speaker 2: yeah the two up in the. Air that's the Emoji
Speaker 2: i've been, using And i've had it on there since
Speaker 2: like day one of the. Draft so kudos to. You
Speaker 2: he's he's definitely gonna be up there in terms of
Speaker 2: those receivers before we get To twitter on the, twenty
Speaker 2: did anybody kind of disappoint you in a certain. Sense
Speaker 2: it's hard to be disappointing because at the combine you're
Speaker 2: looking for, positives you're looking for a couple of. Things
Speaker 2: but did something stick out that, said, hey maybe we
Speaker 2: should flag this and double back on the film for.
Speaker 4: IT i think the biggest one Is Tess, johnson The
Speaker 4: oregon wide, receiver coming in at one hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: four pounds and running over four four.
Speaker 3: Eight, yeah four four eight was his was his.
Speaker 4: Time you, know at that size you got to have
Speaker 4: better speed than.
Speaker 3: That and it, is, uh but don't you play like? That?
Speaker 3: Yeah it doesn't he. PLAY i mean he plays with,
Speaker 3: quickness he plays with a, burst he does.
Speaker 4: Separate it just feels like ever since That Rose bowl,
Speaker 4: ended his stock has just been like slowly coming. Down
Speaker 4: and we were talking about him being like a fringe
Speaker 4: like round.
Speaker 2: Guy he was great at The Senior, bowl had an
Speaker 2: awesome week.
Speaker 3: There but it was all good at The Senior.
Speaker 2: Bowl, yeah it was all stuff that was In AND
Speaker 2: i heard a scout tab it as, this but he
Speaker 2: said it was TikTok routes where it's it shows up
Speaker 2: and it looks great because you leave a guy in the,
Speaker 2: Dust but is he actually going to work On? Sundays probably,
Speaker 2: Not and that's kind of what we've seen From tez at.
Speaker 3: Time, YEAH i. Agree do you see anything else along
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Speaker 2: Man all, right post, combine how does your wide receiver
Speaker 2: and running back board stacked? Up did it switch around
Speaker 2: at all during your time watching THE Nfl?
Speaker 4: Combine, yeah that's a that's a that's a good, ONE
Speaker 4: i think with with combine with those SPECIFIC uh, positions
Speaker 4: in my, OPINION i value the tape so much more
Speaker 4: with running back and, receivers SO i wouldn't say there's
Speaker 4: a huge jump. Around if, Anything i'm more so feeling
Speaker 4: better About Matthew golden coming out of the, week and
Speaker 4: more so as a first round type. PLACEMENT i still
Speaker 4: have a second round grade on, him But i'm not
Speaker 4: against the first round love that he has. Gotten but
Speaker 4: and then looking at running back, POSITION i, mean you
Speaker 4: look at a guy Like Damien. MARTINEZ i really liked.
Speaker 4: HIM i had a third round grade went into the,
Speaker 4: combine and that more so just confirmed my theory on.
Speaker 4: Him he's going to be a guy that will visit
Speaker 4: with The cowboys during the pre draft. Process he's A lewisville,
Speaker 4: native so that's. Big but aside from, THAT i don't
Speaker 4: feel like there was any real you, know big moment
Speaker 4: at the running back position that made, me you, know
Speaker 4: take anything else away IF.
Speaker 3: I could look at another position real. Quick AND i
Speaker 3: want to ask you, guys this At South carolina safety
Speaker 3: that Ran amanda May, oh he tested so, well why
Speaker 3: does he not play as well as he? Tests BECAUSE
Speaker 3: i didn't move him and people were asking me would
Speaker 3: they consider him at? Twelve? Now, NO i don't THINK
Speaker 3: i still have him in the third. Round i've got
Speaker 3: him in like a late. Second, yeah where are you
Speaker 3: guys looking AT? I i have him as a.
Speaker 4: SECOND i JUST i love the length in the range
Speaker 4: that has back, there sure that that length can certainly
Speaker 4: work out and he's a thumper in the run.
Speaker 3: Game. Yeah, now Granted i'd Take watts over him From Notre.
Speaker 3: Dame as a, player.
Speaker 4: You probably have more of a sure. Thing and to
Speaker 4: bring up the ceiling floor argument with, you why would
Speaker 4: you do? That BUT i think you're trying to confuse
Speaker 4: thing With. Watts BUT i think the ceiling could be
Speaker 4: higher with, him and worry.
Speaker 3: Does he did? He did he play as well as
Speaker 3: he worked? Out in your? Opinion? NO i MEAN i
Speaker 3: know you got second round grades because, yeah you're higher on,
Speaker 3: him AND i am.
Speaker 4: YEAH i still feel like his his thumping in the
Speaker 4: run game has range with his. LENGTH i feel like
Speaker 4: it does show up on. TAPE i, do and SPECIFICALLY
Speaker 4: i go back to The TEXAS a AND m game
Speaker 4: that they had this past year where he was all
Speaker 4: over the. Place granted that defensive. Line when you play
Speaker 4: with that defensive line in front of, you it can
Speaker 4: really help out some. Things BUT i like him And
Speaker 4: worry on?
Speaker 3: Tape do you have him Or starks? Higher starts From George.
Speaker 3: STARKS i Have starks higher, Too that's.
Speaker 2: The only em And worry is my second, safety and
Speaker 2: Then watts is right after him in third and that's
Speaker 2: kind of the WAY i have him stacked right. Now but,
Speaker 2: YEAH i would agree with. YOU i think he worked
Speaker 2: out better than what he. Plays BUT i also don't
Speaker 2: have a first round grade at. SAFETY i Have starks
Speaker 2: as a second round. Grade what about you anything wide
Speaker 2: receiver running? Back to answer the, question.
Speaker 5: NO i would go With nick THAT i feel better About,
Speaker 5: Golden but, again don't over the, Course Luthor, burden don't
Speaker 5: overthink troll, McMillan AND i think.
Speaker 3: People are starting to overthink. McMillan, yeah they really are
Speaker 3: let him do. It just had him in his mock,
Speaker 3: draft had him with The cowboys, TODAY i think at,
Speaker 3: twelve so.
Speaker 4: Did jordan read out OF. Espn i'll say two names
Speaker 4: THAT i heard the most coming out Of. Indianapolis and,
Speaker 4: granted this staff has still got a lot of work
Speaker 4: to do as far as catching up on this draft,
Speaker 4: class so things can. Change things almost certainly will. Change
Speaker 4: but the two names THAT i heard from talking to
Speaker 4: people around the league throughout the week In indy Was
Speaker 4: tero McMillan as far as The cowboys, go And Mikel
Speaker 4: williams out Of. Georgia those two guys get gaining, speed
Speaker 4: at least in my, eyes as potential placements at number.
Speaker 2: Twelve which one would you like?
Speaker 4: Better I'MITHER i like mc McMillan would be, awesome but
Speaker 4: Man williams would be a hell of A Dmarcus lawrence.
Speaker 4: Replacement If lawrence is not backw next.
Speaker 2: Year if we're talking about revamping your defensive front and
Speaker 2: trying to do What philadelphia did where you don't know
Speaker 2: where it's coming, from that's that's What Mikel williams could bring.
Speaker 4: You but also in that same, sense if you do
Speaker 4: take a guy Like Mikel. Williams are you basically, saying,
Speaker 4: Hey Marshaw, kneeland we you, know we know you last
Speaker 4: year the same way as we know you were hurt last.
Speaker 4: Year but we're going to take this guy and you're
Speaker 4: going to have to beat. Him, SO i, MEAN i don't,
Speaker 4: KNOW i don't know how that plays.
Speaker 2: Out he could, ALSO i, mean the trade game could
Speaker 2: be a factor. There if you want to take A Mikel,
Speaker 2: williams you want to maybe use A Marshaw neeland And
Speaker 2: Sam williams who have some upside but haven't necessarily shown,
Speaker 2: it whether it be because of injuries or, rotations then
Speaker 2: maybe that's a. Thing BUT i THINK i would rather
Speaker 2: go McMillan because he's higher on my board And i'm
Speaker 2: not window dressing at this.
Speaker 3: Point i'm going with.
Speaker 2: McMillan i'm not overthinking, it And i'm getting a solidified
Speaker 2: ONE b to see the.
Speaker 3: LAMP i. Agree how many let's look at your, boards,
Speaker 3: guys how? Many how many give me your names in
Speaker 3: the third? Round if you guys have got it broke
Speaker 3: no At Ed edge Oh, man some good ones.
Speaker 2: Go Josiah, Stewart, Michigan Nick, Scourton, TEXAS a and M
Speaker 2: land And, Jackson, Arkansas Jack, Sawyer ohio stage.
Speaker 3: Just the name a.
Speaker 4: Few yeah those J t tow them all the. While
Speaker 4: you Have Ashton, GELOTE i think On.
Speaker 3: LOUISVILLE i have.
Speaker 2: Your donovan, ask, YEAH i have.
Speaker 3: HIM i have in the second round as.
Speaker 4: Well Antoine Powell island out Of.
Speaker 3: Virginia. Tech, okay, okay pair that. Up you're gonna take
Speaker 3: take your, take your, take your, uh Your williams in
Speaker 3: the at twelve and give me a. Receiver then in
Speaker 3: the second you would take and then flip it and
Speaker 3: put McMillan and then take an.
Speaker 4: EDGE i see what you're. Saying, okay so pair him.
Speaker 3: Up that's. Fair it's my third. Round we're going the
Speaker 3: second round or third. Round go go take your, Take
Speaker 3: go go second round if you, want or actually go,
Speaker 3: third go.
Speaker 2: Third if we're taking a, receiver, yeah you.
Speaker 3: Take you take McMillan at one and then and then
Speaker 3: you're Taking williams at one and then pair it with
Speaker 3: the opposite in the third.
Speaker 4: Round let's let's just for toots and. Giggles let's go
Speaker 4: with McMillan and. UH i Like Jack, SAWYER i just
Speaker 4: worry about the arm. Length so you're telling Me Azi
Speaker 4: roku will be there in the third, round because if,
Speaker 4: So i'll TAKE.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's will take you, THERE i have.
Speaker 3: HIM i don't. THINK i don't think HE'S i don't.
Speaker 4: Think uh then, yeah let's just uh.
Speaker 3: Soul do you like him From texas at?
Speaker 12: All?
Speaker 3: Uh, YEAH i don't.
Speaker 4: Like him in the Third, swinston he did have a great.
Speaker 4: Combine i'd love his. Bend you know What i'll give You.
Speaker 4: Swinson i'll give You. Swinson.
Speaker 3: Okay so McMillan, swinson, okay and then Take williams in
Speaker 3: a wide receiver in the third and tell me which
Speaker 3: one you, like which group you like? Better who is
Speaker 3: your third?
Speaker 6: Round in the? Third what's That Trey harris old miss
Speaker 6: in the?
Speaker 3: THIRD i got him in the?
Speaker 6: Third yeah that in a, Heartbeat i've GOT i have
Speaker 6: a second grade on.
Speaker 3: Him that would be.
Speaker 4: Yeahs there in the. Third if he's there in the,
Speaker 4: third and that's the big that's the BIG x guy
Speaker 4: that you can.
Speaker 3: Throw out, There i've got him in the. Third.
Speaker 4: Yeah Then i'm Taking Jaydon higgins AND i really good about.
Speaker 3: IT i would feel good about Does royals make it
Speaker 3: to the second or third.
Speaker 4: Round i've got him in the, second SO i think
Speaker 4: he makes it to. THIS i don't think he makes
Speaker 4: it maybe to seventy seventy, six seventy, Six, yeah BUT.
Speaker 3: I SEE I Now i'm struggling because because IF i
Speaker 3: take McMillan And SWINSON lsu AND i Take williams And
Speaker 3: royals From Utah, State i'm struggling a little bit. NOW
Speaker 3: i Mean i'm struggling BECAUSE i, like REALLY i like both.
Speaker 3: Pairings BUT i have McMillan so high on my board
Speaker 3: in my stack THAT i think THAT i would take.
Speaker 3: Him BUT i really like to say That i've GOT
Speaker 3: i Got swinson right there in the top of the
Speaker 3: Third so if we were grading for The, COWBOYS i
Speaker 3: would have him like as a one three to zero
Speaker 3: one three. One so we've.
Speaker 2: Talked so significantly about the high end, receivers guys like
Speaker 2: McMillan And burden And golden And, Igbuca, Royals, hunter all
Speaker 2: these guys, there but we've we've also hit the depth
Speaker 2: Of Ed. RUSHER i THINK i would rather chance it
Speaker 2: on the edge because there were more names THAT i
Speaker 2: liked in the third at edge just across the. Board
Speaker 2: even if it's not the l S u edge rusher,
Speaker 2: there he's there for me. Too SO i like those
Speaker 2: names more at edge, rusher and there's more of. THEM
Speaker 2: i only have like six third round grades for wide,
Speaker 2: receivers but royals into the fourth.
Speaker 3: Hers, Yeah Tez Johnson.
Speaker 2: Higgins i've Got jack beck in there or besh in
Speaker 2: there from FROM tcu third, round late. Third, Yeah i've
Speaker 2: got him as the final third action The but, yeah
Speaker 2: like those are the guys That i've got ahead of,
Speaker 2: them AND i would rather take the edge rusher in
Speaker 2: the third and figure it out from.
Speaker 3: There how about a defensive? Tackle then do it with
Speaker 3: a defensive. Tackle take McMillan in a defensive.
Speaker 2: Tackle and Then i'm talking About peebles out Of Virginia
Speaker 2: Tech Omar Norman Norman lott From tennessee.
Speaker 4: Talking to people In. Indianapolis Dion walker is really starting to.
Speaker 4: Slip he's a guy that.
Speaker 3: Might imagine that third. Round But i've got him in
Speaker 3: the that's. Project that is a.
Speaker 4: Projectackle how how comfortable would you?
Speaker 3: Feel doesn't he doesn't he play like he terrifies, You like,
Speaker 3: yeah one, Minute you're, Like, god what a nice, play
Speaker 3: and then you're, like is he in the? Game is
Speaker 3: the rotating? Him what are they doing with this?
Speaker 4: Guy tell you what a GUY i have a third
Speaker 4: round great on. THAT i don't feel like third round.
Speaker 3: Myself.
Speaker 4: Yeah another guy in the third round THAT i feel
Speaker 4: like would not be as much of a. Project Alfred
Speaker 4: collins out Of. Texas, yeah that's an athletic, guy beats
Speaker 4: double triple teams at a high, rate active. Fans he
Speaker 4: had multiple batted balls in that defensive line At texas last.
Speaker 4: Year basketball. BACKGROUND i mean there's there's a lot to
Speaker 4: luck about him. Too so you're saying, receiver defensive. Tackle,
Speaker 4: yeah then, yeah if you go to and whatever in
Speaker 4: the second round and Then.
Speaker 3: Collins in the third, round CAN i ask you guys
Speaker 3: a real quick, question then power rank these guys for?
Speaker 3: Me these defensive, tackles these one Techniques Collins. West phillips, called,
Speaker 3: well have you Seen? Caldwell have you had M callwell At? Oregon?
Speaker 3: YEAH i would.
Speaker 4: GO i would Go collins out Of, texas, Right Jamari
Speaker 4: caldwell out Of. Oregon, Okay Phillips, West phillips out Of,
Speaker 4: Maryland west out Of, India.
Speaker 3: AND i Went Collins West Phillips. Caldwell that's the FOUR
Speaker 3: i had.
Speaker 4: Order, Yeah i'm just a Big calledwell guy.
Speaker 3: Is a good, player and you're not wrong with.
Speaker 4: THAT i Mean phillips is the strongest player in this
Speaker 4: class in My.
Speaker 3: Yeah, YEAH i JUST i was just. Curious it's real quick.
Speaker 3: Too peebles And. FARMER i like people give me. Peebles,
Speaker 3: yeah they're. Both they're they're touching.
Speaker 4: Tack i'll tell you, what though a lot of people
Speaker 4: In indy disagree with us on.
Speaker 3: Peoples you feel the, Same oh, NO I i Have
Speaker 3: peoples Over. FARMER i have both in the fourth round.
Speaker 3: Though But i'm telling you. What the THING i like
Speaker 3: the way that people's. Attacks this is The Virginia tech
Speaker 3: three techniques who we're talking about. HERE i love the
Speaker 3: way he attacks the gaps and. Stuff But Farmer. Man
Speaker 3: there might be something To farmer. Too, yeah more so
Speaker 3: about how people. LOOK i got him over pegeese from
Speaker 3: old Miss. Yeah so, okay thanks for that's a great.
Speaker 3: One thank. You all, right we got to get one more.
Speaker 2: Question we can't just do.
Speaker 3: One sorry about.
Speaker 2: That Bull durham On, twitter the Famous Bull durham, says
Speaker 2: where would you Rank mazi among those defensive tackles in
Speaker 2: this class if he was coming out this, year but
Speaker 2: you cannot factor what he's done in THE.
Speaker 3: Nfl you got a factor in what he was as a.
Speaker 4: Prospect i'm probably not the best person to ask about.
Speaker 2: That what do you, Think, brian based off of what
Speaker 2: we were doing scouting him back in what was that twenty?
Speaker 3: THREE i would HAVE i WOULD i would have actually
Speaker 3: the group Of Grant, williams T Leake williams is that right?
Speaker 3: Yep From Ohio, State. HARMON i would have him fourth
Speaker 3: in that second round. CLUSTER i have Of Grant Williams
Speaker 3: harmon in, him.
Speaker 4: And that's you Have nolan as a first or second.
Speaker 3: Rounder the second round is a three technique? Gotcha?
Speaker 2: Okay, YEAH i would Put i'd probably right around. There
Speaker 2: he's in That Grant Nolan Sanders williams conversation for me
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i had a second round great on. Him i'm
Speaker 2: looking at my board right. HERE i had him Behind Jalen,
Speaker 2: Carter Elijah, Cansey Brian, breaesy and he was right there
Speaker 2: With keanu And benton who's had a decent.
Speaker 3: Career he was right there Where dallas is picking for,
Speaker 3: ME i had him right in that like in the.
Speaker 3: STACK i want to say he was in the forty forty.
Speaker 3: Four THAT'S i have him at forty. Five he's right
Speaker 3: there in that second. Round SO i WOULD i would
Speaker 3: take all three of those GUYS i Mentioned grant Williams
Speaker 3: herman over him if that was the, case AND i
Speaker 3: think all three of those guys are going to be
Speaker 3: right about the same, SPOT i would PROBABLY i agree
Speaker 3: with you on the three.
Speaker 2: NAMES i would Throw Walter nolan in there Because i'm
Speaker 2: a little more.
Speaker 3: Intrigued but, Well NOLAN'S i separate, MY i separate MY
Speaker 3: i got. GRADED i Graded masey as a. One, yeah
Speaker 3: so that's WHY i put him with the. One, Yeah
Speaker 3: i've got. It i've got him all in one. Stack
Speaker 3: So i'm looking at just the look at it at that.
Speaker 3: Point But nolan would be in that category as a
Speaker 3: three tech instead of a. One sanders there kind of
Speaker 3: the same, thing all.
Speaker 2: Right when we come, BACK i want to touch on
Speaker 2: a couple of the guys that we've talked, about uh
Speaker 2: since or that you guys have watched film wise since
Speaker 2: we've last, talked because we haven't talked To nick in a.
Speaker 2: While brian was at spring training last, week and Then
Speaker 2: tommy was out at THE Nfl. Combine who are some
Speaker 2: of the guys you've watched since? THEN i want to
Speaker 2: hit some of the rumors. Too nicks kind of alluded
Speaker 2: to a couple of them rumor round table from THE Nfl.
Speaker 2: Combine do you believe it or do you not believe?
Speaker 2: It with more of the draft show right AT i don't.
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Speaker 3: It i'll look into. It the uh rumor meal rumor
Speaker 3: MILL i should are You, OKAY i don't.
Speaker 8: Know i'm.
Speaker 3: TIRED i didn't get a whole lot of sleep last.
Speaker 3: Night we had some trip lets up last.
Speaker 2: Night the rumors from THE Nfl combine this week were
Speaker 2: starting to. CIRCLE i want to either say you either
Speaker 2: agree with, it have heard, it maybe disagree with. It
Speaker 2: let's just kind of talk about it because around this
Speaker 2: time it is lying. Season we mentioned that last week as.
Speaker 2: Well Ayisha morrison did a great job filling in and
Speaker 2: we had a couple of good.
Speaker 3: Shows but we started to.
Speaker 2: Hear some murmurs coming out Of, indianapolis one of which
Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of twenty twenty. One there was
Speaker 2: this rumor surrounding a guy Named Micah, parsons now his
Speaker 2: his next man up number eleven From Penn. STATE a
Speaker 2: Dual carter has a similar rumor about work ethic and.
Speaker 2: Character do you believe any of that along the?
Speaker 3: Way is that something that should hurt.
Speaker 2: As draft stock or you drafting just the player as
Speaker 2: is talk about Dual CARTER a.
Speaker 3: Dual, Carter i'm not worried about. It i'm not. Worried
Speaker 3: i'm Not i'd worry about the. Foot so that's what
Speaker 3: we're going to.
Speaker 5: Work if we're finding something to worry, About, yeah that's
Speaker 5: more WHAT i WILL i think.
Speaker 3: THAT i think What i've learned about the foot is
Speaker 3: what he has the condition is something that potentially could be.
Speaker 3: Bad it's kind of the the actual the stress fractures
Speaker 3: or what shows up on the on the. Scants so
Speaker 3: he has a condition that is pre to. That so
Speaker 3: are we going to be dealing with potential, uh stress
Speaker 3: fractures in his? Foot And i'm not saying this like
Speaker 3: a gas mask the hope to get him down to
Speaker 3: twelve so The cowboys could. Draft i'm saying it as
Speaker 3: talking to trainers and doctors. Stuff this is a legitimate
Speaker 3: concern more so than maybe the character. Stuff the character
Speaker 3: STUFF i do believe IS i do believe it's. True,
Speaker 3: Okay and you know there's a there's a certain level
Speaker 3: of you put up with players that are. Great it's
Speaker 3: a great football player right. There so you, know sometimes
Speaker 3: these programs are, like, Hey i'm glad to see you,
Speaker 3: go best of luck to, you that kind of. THING
Speaker 3: i believe that is. True BUT i would worry more
Speaker 3: about the. Foot and but the potential with stress fractures
Speaker 3: in that foot is something that a lot of people
Speaker 3: have kind of warned me about would it deter you
Speaker 3: away from pick twelve in That, NO i don't think. So,
Speaker 3: Yeah But i'm just, saying though it would be you
Speaker 3: could talk about the character stuff and all that and
Speaker 3: all you. Want you, know there's there's a lot of
Speaker 3: Things i'm not going to say WHAT i would allow
Speaker 3: a player to do as long as he gets to the, Quarterback,
Speaker 3: yeah as long as it. Works BUT i will say this,
Speaker 3: though medical, concerns especially with. Feet these these gentleman make
Speaker 3: a living playing on their. Feet, yeah and if you
Speaker 3: have a problem with them going, forward it's SOMETHING i
Speaker 3: don't want to deal with every. Year but that's kind
Speaker 3: of the precursor to what this kid might.
Speaker 4: Have we're you gonna, ANSWER i think From Abdull carter
Speaker 4: doesn't have anybody taking his name off boards or. Anything
Speaker 4: James pierce out Of. Tennessee probably that was going.
Speaker 3: To be my next.
Speaker 4: One, yeah, yeah and that those that's a concern that
Speaker 4: probably has a little bit more validity to. It not
Speaker 4: that there's no valid concerns To Abdull, carter but these
Speaker 4: concerns With Peers school all the way back to his
Speaker 4: high school. Days so that's a Name i've heard more
Speaker 4: concerns about Then Abdul.
Speaker 2: Carter, yeah and it's character, related they're not medical. Related
Speaker 2: and SO i, mean he tore up the, combine was
Speaker 2: phenomenal in the. Drills his tape is first round quality.
Speaker 2: Tape but if you're having that much of a consensus
Speaker 2: across the, league And i've heard, it maybe if there's
Speaker 2: thirty teams in the, League i've heard probably twenty of
Speaker 2: them think there is a character concern and there's.
Speaker 3: Probably twelve they.
Speaker 2: Don't and so he'll probably still end up in the
Speaker 2: first round because somebody's going to keep them keep his
Speaker 2: name on the board and they're going to keep looking at.
Speaker 2: It but there was also the rumor that he could
Speaker 2: slip into the third. Round they could keep him going
Speaker 2: into late day.
Speaker 3: Two. Yeah, see this is the disadvantage that we have
Speaker 3: as the media scouting community is that we can get
Speaker 3: tape and we can watch, it but we're not privy
Speaker 3: to all the things that are behind the scenes with, characters.
Speaker 3: Medical you, know you might get fortunate to hear about
Speaker 3: a player or two that, hey you need to keep
Speaker 3: an eye on. This and because we'll be working on this,
Speaker 3: draft and all of a, sudden why is this guy?
Speaker 3: Sliding why is this guy? Sliding and Then bobby Or
Speaker 3: nick Or tommy's going to come up and, say hey
Speaker 3: THIS i heard this about this. Kid and then you're
Speaker 3: going to, go, OKAY i didn't know. That, well second
Speaker 3: round grade on the tape characters going to drive him
Speaker 3: to the Fourth, yeah you, know so you's got to
Speaker 3: be alert for.
Speaker 2: That the next rumor That i've got up here is
Speaker 2: THE nfl has no consensus AT qb. Two it appears
Speaker 2: Cam ward would be the first quarterback off the. Board
Speaker 2: what ABOUT qb? Two maybe not Shouldar.
Speaker 5: Jackson dart's Helped, Yeah Jackson dart has helped himself out a.
Speaker 5: LOT i think that people are intrigued by the size
Speaker 5: and he what he's able to do with his legs at.
Speaker 5: Times you, KNOW i think he Had he's very productive
Speaker 5: during his time At Ole. MISS i think he had
Speaker 5: a great year last, year got some good weapons. There
Speaker 5: kind of towards the end of the year you saw
Speaker 5: maybe some decision making question marks that. Arose BUT i
Speaker 5: think there's a lot to work with, there and you,
Speaker 5: know you just wonder where people really have Shad Or sanders,
Speaker 5: say whether it be a scheme fit or an arm
Speaker 5: strength fit or whatever the concerns may be about.
Speaker 6: Him fit the ego.
Speaker 5: Fit maybe it just depends kind of what teams have
Speaker 5: in their valuation of. Him i'm not saying that he
Speaker 5: couldn't be the second quarterback take AND i think that's
Speaker 5: absolutely still a. Possibility But dart is a name to.
Speaker 5: WATCH i think, that AND i kind of talked about
Speaker 5: this little bit On. Twitter Quinn ewers had a great
Speaker 5: combine from a throwing the ball around, perspective because that's
Speaker 5: been the environment that he's thrived in since high. School
Speaker 5: those settings where he just gets to sling it to
Speaker 5: wide receivers with NO dbs around and no, pressure no,
Speaker 5: pressure and he just gets to show. Off there's a
Speaker 5: really pretty ball and it's easy to, catch and receivers
Speaker 5: love the passes that he. Throws but there's there's no,
Speaker 5: pressure there's no. Defender so there's still plenty of questions about.
Speaker 5: Him BUT i wonder if you, know people watch his
Speaker 5: workout and he's going to have A Pro day two
Speaker 5: WHERE i guarantee there are gonna be some throws where
Speaker 5: he makes people are, like oh my. God quin youwers
Speaker 5: look at this, play but it's really easy to look
Speaker 5: good in those, settings and viewers just look good in
Speaker 5: those settings for a long.
Speaker 6: Time so you just got to remember.
Speaker 5: That BUT i wonder if that boosts him up enough
Speaker 5: for a team to be taken maybe at that.
Speaker 3: Spot i'll say.
Speaker 4: This about yours had an extensive meeting with The cowboys last.
Speaker 4: Week was not a, formal but it was one of
Speaker 4: those extensive informals where they really kind of dope into
Speaker 4: his brain a little. Bit they came away really. Impressed
Speaker 4: compair that If schottenheimer was at The Texas Pro day
Speaker 4: last year Where Quinn yours was throwing around To Jetavian,
Speaker 4: Sanders Xavier Worthy ad AND I mitchell looked really good that,
Speaker 4: day and you know that's that's certainly a data point
Speaker 4: that you could take away saying That schottenheimer saw him
Speaker 4: live in. Person y'all may have talked about it last
Speaker 4: week on the, show but he's working With mike McCarthy
Speaker 4: out In.
Speaker 3: Plano we didn't talk about the.
Speaker 4: Draft, process which is very. Fascinating but back to THE
Speaker 4: qb two, CONVERSATION i have SHADOR qb. TWO i feel
Speaker 4: pretty comfortable about having SHADOR qb. TWO i think there's a,
Speaker 4: gap a pretty sizable, gap but before you get TO qb.
Speaker 4: Three BUT i it would not surprise me if another
Speaker 4: guy ends u passing.
Speaker 3: Uption i'll say this About. SANDERS i was more impressed
Speaker 3: by him two years ago THAN i was this. Year
Speaker 3: AND i think that he was dealing with far more
Speaker 3: adversity two years ago when he first came to The colorado,
Speaker 3: program and there were times where he had no offensive,
Speaker 3: line the offensive. Coordinator it was a little bit of a,
Speaker 3: mess and his father was trying to kind of find you,
Speaker 3: know they went through some ey but you see what
Speaker 3: he did With Pat shermer is the play, caller FORMER
Speaker 3: nfl head, coach offensive coordinator and all. That they did
Speaker 3: some things with the offensive. Line the skill obviously on
Speaker 3: the outside it's gotten even. Better BUT i was more
Speaker 3: impressed by him two years, ago having to carry a
Speaker 3: team where it was just not very good in a
Speaker 3: lot of, spots and he was able to kind of
Speaker 3: make make do and keep them in games where they
Speaker 3: just should have got blown out a lot. More BUT
Speaker 3: i think that to, me if anybody is critical of this,
Speaker 3: KID i think they're off base about.
Speaker 5: IT i would agree with, that AND i Have sanders
Speaker 5: AS qb two as. WELL i really think that within
Speaker 5: a locker, room this is a guy who's going to
Speaker 5: be able to captivate and get his teammates to play for.
Speaker 5: HIM i know that that has been a knock at,
Speaker 5: points and you, know there are plenty of people who
Speaker 5: are haters for lack of a better, term BUT i
Speaker 5: think that his personality is one that they can kind
Speaker 5: of captivate a locker room in the. Rights, YEAH i
Speaker 5: think that he can really work.
Speaker 3: Out you have to be if if you draft this,
Speaker 3: kid you have to be ready for The. Hollywood it's
Speaker 3: just the biggest fear That Bill parcells had was called
Speaker 3: The hollywood. Quarterback where he was out, there he was
Speaker 3: in you, know he was, everywhere and you have TO
Speaker 3: i think this is the concern that probably some coaches
Speaker 3: have when you Buy shard Or. Sanders, yes you get
Speaker 3: an outstanding, player but you buy AND i, know you,
Speaker 3: Guys tommy And, nick you guys were at The Super
Speaker 3: bowl with. Me there he had a whole setup just
Speaker 3: for his podcasting stuff and just FOR i, mean it's
Speaker 3: this whole big entourage of thing him And Travis.
Speaker 7: Hunner these kids get, it they get they get the
Speaker 7: business side of promoting, themselves and you just, wonder do
Speaker 7: you want your quarterback being that type of a guy
Speaker 7: that might.
Speaker 3: Turn some teams. Off some teams might, say look at.
Speaker 3: Him he thrives in that, stuff so it'll. Yeah but,
Speaker 3: see but, See i'm sixty one years old and you,
Speaker 3: know you guys are young, guys and that's. COOL i
Speaker 3: mean that's the difference between between our age gaps and
Speaker 3: stuff like, that and where, like do you want The hollywood?
Speaker 3: Quarterback do you not want The hollywood? QUARTERBACK i love the.
Speaker 3: PLAYER i just worry.
Speaker 2: What all you what all you're going to have to
Speaker 2: have to make sure that he thrives in the.
Speaker 3: System but he thrives in that kind of that, swirling
Speaker 3: you know area THAT i said he's involved. In he
Speaker 3: thrives in. That good for.
Speaker 4: Him tell you About? Hollywood can you Move hollywood To, Cleveland?
Speaker 4: Ohio Daniel jeremiah and his most recent mock draft Had
Speaker 4: Travis hunter going To cleveland at two and Then cleveland
Speaker 4: trading back into the first round Of grab Shit door
Speaker 4: at twenty.
Speaker 3: Nine, Huh we'll be very, fascinating very. FASCINAT i, mean.
Speaker 4: How many years before deon' the head coach In cleveland negative.
Speaker 2: ONE i mean it was This it was right around
Speaker 2: this time last year that the same kind of The
Speaker 2: hollywood quarterback mantra was Around Caleb. Williams Now Caleb williams
Speaker 2: was a more nflready PROSPECT i, think and there was more,
Speaker 2: uh there's a higher grade on him coming, out but
Speaker 2: that same kind of thought process of him going To,
Speaker 2: chicago will The bears be? Comfortable and certainly they, were
Speaker 2: and they ended up making that. Pick moving, forward it's
Speaker 2: an element that you have to keep an eye.
Speaker 5: On all, right well The bears are comfortable too Bad
Speaker 5: Kayleb williams wasn't because he had four defenders in his
Speaker 5: face every. Snap but you know that that's part of
Speaker 5: it is you've got to BUILD i feel like from
Speaker 5: the inside. Out in terms of, it there would be
Speaker 5: like that In cleveland, exactly and you know he might
Speaker 5: be like that In New york, too if that's if
Speaker 5: that's a place where you look at or you, Know
Speaker 5: Las vegas and in terms of guys that the places
Speaker 5: that are being thrown out, There so you know that's
Speaker 5: always something you got to consider with these.
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks are you buying the buzz for Armand embao From?
Speaker 3: Missouri is how you say him in? BOW i think.
Speaker 3: SO i thought it Was. Membo i'm gonna look at.
Speaker 14: IT i.
Speaker 4: Am and this was a GUY i wanted to specifically
Speaker 4: wait until after the combine to watch again BECAUSE i
Speaker 4: watched him mid. SEASON i say mits it was Like
Speaker 4: november last year AND i put A i put a
Speaker 4: second round grade on. HIM i was, Like, hey this
Speaker 4: is a good. PLAYER i like this. Player he's, strong he's,
Speaker 4: physical he's. QUICK i love how he marries his bottom half.
Speaker 3: With his upper.
Speaker 4: HALF i was, like this is a good. Player and
Speaker 4: then he's now starting to get this ot one. Love
Speaker 4: he's starting to get this top fifteen. Love AND i was, Like,
Speaker 4: okay you know, What i'm gonna wait until se him
Speaker 4: in person In. INDY i want to, see you, know
Speaker 4: the physical traits in, person look him up and down
Speaker 4: and take that and watch the film. Again did SO
Speaker 4: i understand the. Hype i'm buying. It this is this
Speaker 4: is a really talented.
Speaker 2: Player you think he's he's better suited at tackle THAN
Speaker 2: i think.
Speaker 4: GUARDS i think he is BECAUSE i think he has
Speaker 4: the mobility to handle.
Speaker 3: It, okay what do you, Think. Brian I'M i wish
Speaker 3: this kid had more of a nasty side to his.
Speaker 3: Game he maybe and maybe he's just so smooth and
Speaker 3: the athletic ability that his you, know HE i think
Speaker 3: he's a really really good pass. BLOCKER i got some
Speaker 3: questions about him being a good run blocker, though BECAUSE
Speaker 3: i think that he will come off the ball AND
Speaker 3: i don't think he always has to stand and that
Speaker 3: bothers me a little. BIT i, mean he really relies
Speaker 3: on his mass to get, movement and you, know it's
Speaker 3: like when he can hook his. GUY i mean he
Speaker 3: has a he's fine with, that but he could Be
Speaker 3: AND i said, this you, know when you watch some
Speaker 3: of these, Blocks i've seen him stand around too much
Speaker 3: instead of trying to finish his. Blocks and MAYBE i
Speaker 3: caught him early With texas And South carolina in some
Speaker 3: of those. Games BUT i, MEAN i just wish there
Speaker 3: was more of a nasty side to his. Game but
Speaker 3: you got to be impressed he didn't allow a sacking
Speaker 3: four hundred and sixteen. Dropbacks that's that says something about
Speaker 3: playing in The Southeastern conference and not doing. That BUT
Speaker 3: i wish he was just more of a nastier.
Speaker 2: Player, Mimboo, memboo, Yep mimbo Like memphis first and Then
Speaker 2: boo like a like Ghost, mimbo Mimboo.
Speaker 5: Boo yeah, NO i Like memboo. TOO i think he
Speaker 5: moved up for. ME i still Have Calvin banks From
Speaker 5: texas AS myot.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 5: OKAY i think he kind of he proved himself as
Speaker 5: a tackle this weekend in terms of, size and you,
Speaker 5: know you still questioned the, arm, like but you could
Speaker 5: say the same thing about Him. BOO i think the
Speaker 5: the thing with Him boo is you can play him
Speaker 5: ATTACKLE i feel like he would fit at guard, too
Speaker 5: and you, know the, athleticism there's so much to work
Speaker 5: with there WHERE i feel like you can develop him
Speaker 5: into a better run blocker like like Like brian was talking.
Speaker 5: About but what he's able to do in the passing,
Speaker 5: GAME i think is. Enough that's really. Impressed you could
Speaker 5: feel good you're leaving him on an. ISLAND i think
Speaker 5: the numbers prove that.
Speaker 2: Too man and his his combine workout was a.
Speaker 3: Thing it was.
Speaker 2: Incredible he was the ninety seventh percentile in forty yard.
Speaker 2: Dash he ran a four nine to. One at his
Speaker 2: size six foot, four three hundred and thirty two, pounds
Speaker 2: he had a thirty four inch vertical and a one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen inch broad.
Speaker 6: Jump and thirty one reps on. Bench.
Speaker 3: Unreal, yeah and that's not even a mention short, arm.
Speaker 4: Hey, son you want to play defensive, tackle sure, right those? Reps,
Speaker 4: yeah BUT i think the athleticism.
Speaker 3: Works Really, no there's no. Yeah this this kid's he's
Speaker 3: a hell of a. PLAYER i, say the sense of
Speaker 3: urgency bothers me with this guy. Sometimes that's All i'm.
Speaker 3: Saying and it's just LIKE i just wish he's so, BIG,
Speaker 3: INDI i just want him to finish. PEOPLE i don't
Speaker 3: know if he.
Speaker 2: Has the lower half to. Finish because he's moving well
Speaker 2: and he's able to get up and. DOWN i don't
Speaker 2: know if he had.
Speaker 3: That lower half power That i'm just some of those other.
Speaker 3: Guys i'll tell you this. Though you, know if we're
Speaker 3: starting to hear the clean bill Of health On Josh
Speaker 3: simmons From.
Speaker 2: Ohio, state you're still having him in.
Speaker 3: There count me in on that. One count me in
Speaker 3: on that. One if that's the, CASE.
Speaker 2: I will SAY i went back and Watched Donovan jackson
Speaker 2: his counterpart in the way that he kind of filled
Speaker 2: in and went out the left. TACKLE i like me
Speaker 2: Some Donovan, Jackson Donova. JACKSON i Got Donova jackson Over
Speaker 2: booker at. Guard, OH i don't know IF.
Speaker 5: I, THINK i, THINK i think there's an. Argument there,
Speaker 5: is there is an. ARGUMENT i still have, book but
Speaker 5: it's it's. Close it is feel, Good, TOMMY i know
Speaker 5: WHAT i can do in. Here i'm Just i'm just
Speaker 5: agreeing with.
Speaker 6: YOU i feel the same.
Speaker 3: WAY i was watching H.
Speaker 2: Tate rattledge right last night From. Georgia have you guys watched?
Speaker 12: Him?
Speaker 3: Yeah what do you think about?
Speaker 2: Him i'm kind of a throwbacks, player very much, so
Speaker 2: and that's Why i'm. Torn.
Speaker 3: WELL i, mean, yeah he's he's. Been he's a right
Speaker 3: guard of, course three year starter At. Georgia a lot
Speaker 3: of inside, zone a lot of gap, stuff thick, build armling.
Speaker 3: Strength he wins as a run blocker with his play
Speaker 3: strength and his leg, drive HIGH iq, stuff picking up
Speaker 3: blitzes and stuff like. THAT i think he gets a
Speaker 3: little straight legged for. ME i, mean and as it
Speaker 3: hurts him with his, leverage his pad level gets a little,
Speaker 3: high AND i think that's a problem that you need
Speaker 3: to kind of look. AT i don't ask, him, yeah
Speaker 3: don't ask him to do much in the way of
Speaker 3: pulling or playing in, space but you know he he,
Speaker 3: could he could play. Better there's nothing flashy about his.
Speaker 3: Technique But i'd say a very steady. Player i've been
Speaker 3: the third round. MYSELF i think.
Speaker 4: There Are day one interior. STARTERS i don't think he's
Speaker 4: one of.
Speaker 2: Them, yeah, Yeah i've got a third on him as.
Speaker 2: Well whenever he came to looking at, THAT i think
Speaker 2: he could get into a starting role.
Speaker 6: SUBSOLUTELY i just don't, say, sorry go.
Speaker 2: Ahead, OH i was JUST i just don't see him
Speaker 2: like right off the. BAT i actually thought he reminded
Speaker 2: me a little bit of WHAT. Tj bass brought a
Speaker 2: couple of years, ago where he's powerful sound with his,
Speaker 2: hands wins with leverage at. Times pad level was, good
Speaker 2: but then it was a it was kind of an injury.
Speaker 2: Concern he didn't move well in space at, all and
Speaker 2: that was kind of WHERE i was torn BECAUSE.
Speaker 3: I kind of. Problem, YEAH i think this Crazy sabel
Speaker 3: WHO i have as a guard will probably go a
Speaker 3: lot higher than but. Him milam From West VIRGINIA i
Speaker 3: have questions about, Him RATLIC i have questions about. Him
Speaker 3: jonah From, ZONA i have questions about him FROM i
Speaker 3: mean a. Bar, yeah me And vouch working on. That
Speaker 3: every time we talked about we Say jonah From. Zona but,
Speaker 3: yeah let's THINK i put him a. Guard. Yeah, see
Speaker 3: that's What i'm. Saying there's these these third and fourth
Speaker 3: round guards THAT i have really big questions. About you,
Speaker 3: know can they really are they as you? Mentioned are they? Starters?
Speaker 3: Yeah you know these guys might be some backup dudes right.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah all, right that does it for, us unless
Speaker 2: you wanted to add.
Speaker 5: SOMEBODY i was gonna say that to help The tate rattledice.
Speaker 5: Case there's a picture going around On twitter yesterday with
Speaker 5: him and this giant Like Faral. HOG i think that
Speaker 5: he went and.
Speaker 6: Hunted so first, round that's WHAT i want from my offensive.
Speaker 3: Lineman, yeah he just like you, said throwback.
Speaker 2: Player he looks like a movie character playing bullet spot stash.
Speaker 6: Everything, yeah he's got. Some he's got.
Speaker 2: SOME i like it to each.
Speaker 3: Other, okay now we're.
Speaker 6: Talking we have some push up. Front i'll tell you
Speaker 6: that we'll.
Speaker 3: Be back On.
Speaker 2: Thursday i'll be out So Zach walchuk is gonna host On.
Speaker 2: Thursday have fun with that, one and, uh we should
Speaker 2: be back for the rest of the.
Speaker 3: YEAR i don't think anybody else is. Traveling I'm i'm done.
Speaker 4: TRAVELING i don't want to owners meetings at the end Of,
Speaker 4: march But I'm i'm ready to. Roll, MAN i have
Speaker 4: been so ready to.
Speaker 3: Back my. Goodness good to have you. Back thank, you.
Speaker 4: GUYS i appreciate.
Speaker 3: You'all get well. Soon.
Speaker 2: Vouch we'll talk to, him hopefully down the, line and
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