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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the Distance. This podcast is presented by

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Speaker 1: Yetti Built for the Wild. It's hunting season. You have

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Speaker 1: a tag in your pocket for a place that you've

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Speaker 1: never been before. Now, what where do you even start? Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I could probably talk about nearly any hunt I've been

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Speaker 1: on for a story that coincides with this. A lot

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Speaker 1: of the hunts I do I've never stepped foot in

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Speaker 1: the area. But what it comes down to is the

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Speaker 1: time I spend looking over or what I would call

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Speaker 1: e scouting on say my on X hunt app. What

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Speaker 1: I want to do on this podcast is cover where

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Speaker 1: do you even start? But first we need to talk

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Speaker 1: about the basics of map reading, understanding a topo map,

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Speaker 1: and then understanding how to put all this satellite imagery

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Speaker 1: and the stuff at your hands together while you're at

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Speaker 1: home so when you get out in the field you

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Speaker 1: can immediately become successful. A lot of hunt stories start

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Speaker 1: opening morning or when you're in the field. But the

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Speaker 1: truth of the matter is, for me, most hunting stories

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Speaker 1: should start weeks beforehand, when I'm in my house pouring

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Speaker 1: over maps. One hunt stands out in particular because it's

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Speaker 1: just so fresh in my mind. This season, I picked

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Speaker 1: up and pretty much what would be considered over the

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Speaker 1: counter archery antelope tag. You had to put in for

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Speaker 1: it beforehand, but everybody that put in drew now, having

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Speaker 1: never hunted in this state for this species, where do

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Speaker 1: I begin? I just started pouring over my on X

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Speaker 1: map as soon as I got that tag, looking over

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Speaker 1: areas every night, start going through different units that are

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Speaker 1: in their outlining places that I can hunt, until I

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Speaker 1: started to hone in on what I was looking for. Now.

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Speaker 1: It actually driven through this area multiple times, so I

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Speaker 1: kind of had a rough idea of places that I

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Speaker 1: wanted to check out, spots that look good to me,

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Speaker 1: but at this point I had no spot. I started

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Speaker 1: marking pins and places that I like to check out.

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Speaker 1: Now by the time opening day rolled around, I was

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a road trip, camped out the

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Speaker 1: first afternoon that I got into the unit. The season

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Speaker 1: had actually been open for a couple of weeks. But

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Speaker 1: when I got in there marked camp spot check that out.

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Speaker 1: I get into that campsite, I'm looking around on the

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Speaker 1: way in, I'm like, man, I don't know. It looks good,

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Speaker 1: at set up camp, and I decided to go out

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Speaker 1: for the first evening the first spot that I had marked.

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Speaker 1: Pull my bioners up and here is a group of

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Speaker 1: antelope with a decent buck in it. Oh sweet, this

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Speaker 1: is cool. All right, Well, mission accomplished. Now I've at

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Speaker 1: least found what I'm looking for. That's the start. But honestly,

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Speaker 1: spot and stock antelope. Hunting with a bow can be

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Speaker 1: I pretty much stock every buck that I see, because

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Speaker 1: at least then I know the more opportunities I have,

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Speaker 1: the more chance I will to get into range and

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Speaker 1: taking some photos and some videos and other stuff, and

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Speaker 1: our way up to a friend's wedding. Anyways, we thought

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Speaker 1: I've pretty much covered this country here. I know there

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Speaker 1: I really believe that the Onyx Hunt app is the

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Speaker 1: just gonna open the app. I think it's just easier

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Speaker 1: now with you here. And that way it's easier for

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Speaker 1: me to kind of go through my process and then

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Speaker 1: notice that I do. But before I do that, you

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Speaker 1: first need to really understand topo maps, because that's how

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Speaker 1: I started map reading and scouting was just on paper maps.

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Speaker 1: It was lines. There were no satellite imagery. But those

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Speaker 1: lines tell more of a story often than a picture does.

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Speaker 1: Now seems like it wouldn't, but what it is doing

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Speaker 1: what that looks like. Now, another tool that I use

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Speaker 1: a lot is Google Earth, where I can see things

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Speaker 1: in a three D format, but I first like to

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Speaker 1: look for certain features in the topo. Now, just in

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Speaker 1: Everybody is talking about certain features in topo lines. So

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Speaker 1: just go through essentially my process for scouting a new area.

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Speaker 1: The most basic rundown of a topo map. I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna give it to you right here. Topomap includes lines,

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Speaker 1: which are contour lines. Those helped create the picture of

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Speaker 1: what the mountain or topography looks like on a flat surface.

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Speaker 1: So contour lines like on the onyx app or set

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Speaker 1: forty ft apart. Then you have your index lines, which

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Speaker 1: the elevation. The way that it works is as the

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Speaker 1: over a certain amount of distance, a rapid gain in elevation.

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Speaker 1: Further apart lines are something more gradual or flatter. When

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Speaker 1: points down to a lower elevation indicates a ridge, whereas

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Speaker 1: a line that points up towards a higher elevation indicates

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Speaker 1: coming down from that, you'll have your ridges. Those would

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Speaker 1: you of what I call head basins. These are the

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Speaker 1: spots that look like little alien heads made out of

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Speaker 1: tobo lines, almost like a rainbow, where the lines bend

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Speaker 1: in the upward fashion, upward pointing valleys that make a

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Speaker 1: head basin. Head basin because it looks like a head.

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Speaker 1: These are things that I really key on our head basins.

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Speaker 1: But it depends on what species you're looking for. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna open up my app right now and then

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you a quick rundown of the

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Speaker 1: things that I'm looking at. So let's say, let's go

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Speaker 1: for this. We're hunting ELK. I'm gonna grab a random

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Speaker 1: unit in Montana, and then I'm just gonna kind of

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Speaker 1: look and say what I'm doing and what I'm looking for,

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Speaker 1: just like I were planning out a hunt in an

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Speaker 1: area that I've never been. Okay, so the cool thing

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Speaker 1: about this app is it has the unit, so I

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Speaker 1: can start there. I've got the Onyx Hunt app open.

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Speaker 1: I'm in Montana. I'm just randomly scrolling the screen so

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Speaker 1: it lands on a unit. I won't tell you what

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Speaker 1: unit because I'll probably end up giving someone's secret spot away,

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Speaker 1: but I've got the unit, so that's a start. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for public ground because that's the kind of

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Speaker 1: so I'm now going to be having the layers on

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Speaker 1: that show me public and private ground. I always start

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