WEBVTT - Black Power vs. Black Excellence 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:06.040 I gotta be honest, babe. Sometimes I struggle with pushing 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:10.040 black excellence because I don't want to push in a 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.600 way that seems like I'm trying to assimilate to whiteness. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:15.400 M you see what I'm saying. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.760 You might have to elaborate on that with me. When 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:20.880 I think about black excellence and black power, I just 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.439 feel like we need to keep creating more spaces and 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.960 arenas to celebrate ourselves so we don't have to feel 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:28.240 like we need to assimilate. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:35.080 Dead Ass. It all started with real talk, unfiltered, honest, 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.239 and straight from the heart. Since then, we've gone on 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.040 to become Webby Award winning podcasters in New York Times 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:41.040 bestselling authors. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.639 Dead Ass was more than a podcast for us. It 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:46.879 was about our growth, a place where we could be vulnerable, be. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.920 Raw, orse, but most apportantly be us. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.879 But as we know, life keeps evolving and so do we, 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.000 and through it all, one thing has never changed. 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:57.040 This is. 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.360 Because we got a lot to talk about. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:07.880 Story time. The funny thing is Tripple was just like, YO, 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.679 tell us a story about the time you realize the 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.280 difference between black power and black excellence, And I knew 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.960 exactly where to go. I was coaching at Aviator at 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:22.440 the time, and we had a couple of athletes who 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.760 were part of the group. It was about forty guys 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:29.120 in our college group, and we had two guys who 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:33.920 were not black. And one time the dude came. I 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:35.560 don't want to say his name because people go back 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:39.680 and look. He came to workout, was late, and I'm 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:44.080 screaming and balking and I'm just like, yo, like you 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:45.959 got to be on time. He's not saying nothing because 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.800 they know that I don't deal with the excuses. Right 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:54.360 The next day, the whole group was late, and I 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:58.080 got pessed at what the fuck is going on? All 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.240 thirty of them kids, the black kids, right well, almost 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.400 forty went to pick the one white kid up from 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.560 the bus stop because he had issues with the bust 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:10.959 at the bus stop the day before, which is why 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.560 he was late. All of my college kids, all of 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.600 them black kids, went to go pick that white kid up, 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:20.360 and they pressed whoever was at the bus stop, and 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.079 then they came and they were all late, and they 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.400 all ran together because they knew they was late. So 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.240 and part of the reason why I love them kids too, 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.280 My prototype kids y'all know who y'all are. I love 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.360 y'all to death. Part of the reason why I said 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:37.320 black power versus Black excellence is because although it was 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.400 excellent that those guys all stayed together to help this 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.600 one white kid, right, what bothered me is that it 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:44.120 was a group of black kids that was giving the 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.400 white kid a problem to begin And that's what showed 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.600 the power of all of these black men going to 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.600 stand up and say, yo, like, in this moment, he 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.679 one of us. He and this is the funny part. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.040 This is the funny part. I'll never forget this. I'm 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.359 gonna say this one kid name, his name is Rogers. 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:01.600 Everybody knows, you know, Roger. 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.040 And Roger kept saying, we don't give a fuck if 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.840 he's white. If he late, we all got to run. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.079 So since we all got a run, we fucking y'all 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.120 up and he late, and I was like, y'all was 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.800 really it was like, yo, we're not running because he late. 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:18.960 And they all banded together. But the problem, the reason 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:20.760 why I said it wasn't black excellence because they was 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.400 giving the white boar problem just for being white, and 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.320 that part of Brooklyn to get to where his workout was. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.040 I wouldn't call that black excellence, because that's the things 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.679 we fought against in this country, not feeling accepted or 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.160 not feeling like we can go anywhere, and here we 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.680 made someone else feel that way. And it took thirty 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.960 to forty young black brothers in college to go there 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:40.680 and be like, yo, we're not doing this right. 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:42.680 I think there's an excellence in that they were able 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.400 to band together said listen, we're not doing that and 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.280 collectively either we're all gonna run or we're all not 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.800 gonna run, because I think you did you make him run? 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:53.840 If they were they coming back with him going to 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:54.360 defend him. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.119 I didn't. And now here's the funny part. I didn't 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:57.640 know why they were all late when they came back. 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.400 So when they all came in late, I said, nobody, 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.080 say nothing to me. Get on the fucking line. 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.160 The lines they were prepared. 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.920 They were prepared them. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.560 Yes. And the funny thing is I didn't call it 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.880 black excellence, even though it is excellence, because it came 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.840 from a bad spot, from a bunch of young blackies. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.719 But it also showed the power of numbers and the 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:20.480 fact that they were able to go back into their 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.159 own community and be like, yo, we're not doing this. 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.039 But there was powering that not just excellence, but also power. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.960 There's power and telling other people to stand down. So 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:28.880 that's why I chose black. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:30.000 But how to treat you? 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:35.000 Absolutely, karaoke time, karaoke time. I couldn't pick a song. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.480 It's several. I feel like that comes to mind when 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:38.920 you think about black power. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.000 So I decided to kind of mix too. Okay, one 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:46.120 of course, shout out to Hove and it's just the beginning. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:51.640 Everybody knows it's black excellency, black legacy, legacy, legacy, black excellency. 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:59.360 But I'm gonna go right into a fight power. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.520 That's I see you dressed for the occasion to come. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:10.440 I missed the today, I missed the look at me 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.400 looking like a I don't know what I look like 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:12.680 right now. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:14.440 I'm have to say this ain't nothing to do with 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.320 black excellency of black power. But you've been losing weight 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.159 and working out and you're looking great. 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:19.760 Thank you. 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.520 This thing is like like it's just one thing. 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.400 It's one thing, and it's swallowing me up right now. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.040 It's given me a little bit of comfort as I'm 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.560 still trying to get well from me and sick. But yeah, 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:31.839 I needed warm and fuzzy. It's giving warm and fuzzy, 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:33.240 isn't it. Do I look warm and fuzzy? 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:36.159 It's one thing. And when you walk by me, that 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:37.039 thing in the back was. 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:41.040 Still going like this, Well she ain't lost that. 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.599 Let's take a break and we'll be back with the 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:48.200 whole gang. 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:54.080 Indeed, all right, y'all were back. One thing I'm gonna 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:55.760 do is cut up in between breaks. We over here 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.360 paying bills and they're over here making fun of me. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:58.719 So josh, what I look like today? 0:05:59.120 --> 0:05:59.880 Goog go? 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:13.480 As long as they're gluten free, thanks, then, oh my god, 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:15.599 truth will take me out of my miserbel who we 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.919 got for today? Uh? 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:23.640 Firstdeen look like she. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:25.040 Was like, no, i'mnna leave you alone. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:31.479 Listen underneath this, Okay, this this garment, this frock. I'm 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.080 coming for all the BBO allegations this summer, y'all. I've 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.799 been in the gym. I'm coming for the allegations period. 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.200 That's the fact I'm getting it together, y'all. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:41.480 Right, I'm right. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.880 I don't know if I want to sabotage or not, 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:45.520 because people be asking could. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.719 Get a b bl Oh my god. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:54.800 But this summer, I might be like, I don't know, girl. 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.040 It's been around me the longest and most consistently. I 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.359 say you well other than you, But people will probably 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.560 automatically assume that my husband would like keep my dark secrets. Matt, 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:04.400 I feel like sees me the most. Have you ever 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:11.480 seen me in recovery from anything other than the It 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.680 was that one day. 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:18.840 I've been seeing you working out. When I go to 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.880 the gym, I think Kadeen. When I get tired, I'll 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:23.040 be like, Kadean. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:24.200 Do you really do? 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.440 I love that because every time I look in the mirror, 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:28.920 I don't see Kadeen. 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:29.760 That's triple. 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.480 Every day everything she does, what is kadem She. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.360 Will like, you ain't bodied up over there? You gonna 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.840 do is twenty minutes? If you walk twenty minutes every day, 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:40.680 be straight, I'm gonna do that. 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:41.680 You give me three. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:44.440 You don't work out every day? 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:45.040 No? 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:46.720 I work out like three times a week. 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.800 I tried to mean, that's not bad. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:54.120 Average American does not work out. Ever, Yeah, the average American, 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:55.400 I believe it does not. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.800 That's what America looks like the way they look. 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.480 Matter of fact, This has nothing to do with this, 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.320 but I do want to say this, right. A study 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.280 show that the average American child can't do one pull 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:10.679 up right. The average American child does not sweat enough 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:12.920 to rid itself of any of the purities in its 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.160 body for it to be a normal child. So think 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.720 about where children will be twenty years from now, living 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:22.360 the way Americans live. Think about it, Brook eating all 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:30.880 of the process, Cookie, I'm probably gonna be obese to. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:36.040 Then, all right, but I did see something really exciting 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.480 that I can wait to talk to you about. The 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:43.640 varn Nell Hill spin off series, Let's Go Yo, Man Can. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:54.679 Hollywood Swinging is my favorite episode that finally went to Hollywood. 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.200 God Man Can Boy. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.719 It was a two part episode too, so that made 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.720 a great too. Is he playing it? 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.240 Tommy Davidson is starring in it, And it sounds like 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.280 it's gonna be like thirty Rock, So it's gonna be 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.840 focusing on the behind the scenes of the Varndale Hills 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.840 show and how he's trying to stay relevant after so 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:14.800 many years on the air. 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:16.959 It sounds like it's gonna be really good and it's 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.280 kind of documentary, is right. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.040 It sounds like it might be either documentary or like 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.360 thirty Rock wasn't documentary, but it did have like since 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.320 it was behind the scenes, it kind of gave like 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.280 real life field. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:36.280 My opinion, I'm tired of reboots. I'm gonna be honest 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.079 to reboots. I feel like Tommy Davison was such a 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.440 force in the nineties. I wish they would have given 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.920 him his time when he was at like the peak, 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.280 like Tommy Davison during that time and did Booty Call 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.400 with Jamie Fox was great, and that he was on Martin. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.640 I just wish that they would have gave it his 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:52.679 time twenty years ago. 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:53.680 That's all I wish. 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.160 I mean, I'm probably gonna tune in because I love, 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.920 you know, Tommy Davison. Yeah, but I just wish it 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:01.160 twenty five years ago. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.959 I hear, I got no app today. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:05.800 No, I like the Fresh Prince. 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:06.280 Sorry, y'all. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.319 Well, I for when I'm looking forward to it. I 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.240 do like that character, Varnel Hill character. I think it 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:17.440 was great, and I'm looking forward to see who he 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.240 has coming on the show, because if it's if it's 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.400 a spin off of his character, his actual character being 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.280 a TV host or that daytime or night time. 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.560 He's a nighttime TV host. 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.800 He has to have guests, and hopefully they're incorporating that 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.679 into the show. I'm looking forward to the possibilities of it. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.280 Tommy Davison is always a good time pause. 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:42.480 Jimmy Davison is a legend. Bro. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.800 Yeah, for sure, hope you have jobs on the show. 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:47.360 And Martin comes down this. 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:52.080 I want Martin to be on the show. That's one 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:52.360 of the. 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:57.240 Most classic TV moments, Bro. I feel you though, Gosh, 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.360 that would actually be dope because the nostalgia of the 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.160 guests and stuff will be Yeah, triple what you got 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:04.400 ready now, I'm ready for it. 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.640 I like that it's an extension of the Martin universe. 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.640 I think it's going to be different, not really a reboot, 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.200 because it's not. He wasn't a regular character. He was 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.760 on two episodes, so this is like an extension that 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.079 really has nothing to do with the show so much. 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:22.040 And then I want him to do that. The one 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:22.840 thing I do want. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.080 Him to do from the Martin Show is say take 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:51.600 the children. 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:50.400 Is man, yo, let us wrong with us. 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.439 With Tommy Davis him. Did y'all seeing Martin break character? 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.120 Absolutely was that even on the sides I just want 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:02.000 to know now, don't know. There was no script. I'm 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.240 sure all was improvsh. 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.360 Is delicious, Martin lost Tom Davis. 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.760 That was the goal, though, I saw in a recent interview. 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.400 The goal was to break the Martin on that show, 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.319 like anybody we had, whether it was the cast or 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.040 they wanted to break him. Yeah, because he was a 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.200 kid at that point. Yeah, so I get it. Specifically 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.319 Martin or not or other they want to break. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.120 They want to break because he would always break that. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.120 He was always funny and they had to kind of 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.839 learn how to be funny. You can tell like Tacha Campbell, No, 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.040 she didn't get funny to like season three. 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.360 Yea, yeah, she admits to it. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:38.760 She did. 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.160 She was like sort of passive. 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.400 Yeah. She would have let Martin say stuff to her 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.160 until it was like YO, say something back and she 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:46.200 would come back with us. 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.160 Right, and then I feel like she evolved into kind 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.480 of yeah, definitely, and that's what I kind of was, like, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.640 I don't know, girl over the top after Yeah, it 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.240 was a little bit too to Martin. Like Martin. 0:12:58.160 --> 0:12:59.560 That's another one of my favorite episodes. 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:01.240 We got the kids saying it that time. We took 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:01.960 them to Arizona. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:03.880 It was such a thing. 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:10.080 It's the Martin Reunion episode, right, Well, Martin, it was 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.320 black excellence and he was black power. 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.120 That was a fact. That is a fact. 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.800 Oh my goodness, think about all this. It comes back 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.760 in the day. I think they all were exhibiting a 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.720 level of black excellence and power. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.640 If you go back to those times, watch how so 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:33.600 many of those artists at the time wore black college. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.080 Yeah, a different world. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:36.040 It was part of the movement. 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:40.080 Martin always had like negro league jersey, which I thought 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.240 it was really bring in. 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.240 Black college and university sweaters. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:44.120 And all that. 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.400 It's the stuff that you realize when you watched this 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.680 stuff years later. You weren't really thinking about that in 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.880 that moment as kids. He was just like, you know, 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.000 but yeah, pretty dope, we'll. 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.680 Be I next, I got an opera? Was that real quick? 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.679 And goes to the topic what's that is Bill Cosby 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.760 black power and black excellence as well? 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.040 I think at a certain time he was black excellence 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:10.240 and he used his he created black power because of 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:16.000 his stature. I think it's unfortunate that he's also a perverb. 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:16.760 But can be true. 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.000 Yeah, and not even talking about that but he also 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:23.880 there were other people who were coming up during that time, 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.119 artists like rap artists and all that. He was opposed 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.200 to a lot of those vernacular their speech, with how 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:31.240 they how they spoke. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.640 So did you see his arguments, Well, they just showed 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.720 an interview with him talking about how purposeful he was 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:41.760 with NBC. But he used to have a psychologist on set, 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.480 and they would say he told them he never wanted 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.560 black people to be in a negative light on his 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.040 TV show, So when they wrote things and they scripted 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.200 things out, they had a psychologist on set to say 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.000 whether or not this would be perceived by black people 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.080 in a negative light. Really, yes, he was that deliberate. 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.960 Bill Cosby was about making sure that people were seen 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.160 in the way that they had never been seen before. 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.600 And this goes to what Trouble was saying the last time. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:10.400 He wanted black people to see themselves as attorneys and doctors, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.600 but not as black attorneys and doctors. He made it 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.880 very clear that I don't want to be known as 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.600 a black comedian as the black sitcom. He's like, I 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.600 want to be known as the standard for sitcoms that 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:22.920 happens to be black. 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.400 Which then in turn had people thinking that this was 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.000 like not realistic, right. 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.640 But that's what life and that's the thing that's his life. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:33.320 If you're living at a certain level of affluence and 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.040 you are used to having a finer things in life 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.480 as a black man, no matter what environment you're in, 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.120 and then now you have people talk to you about like, well, 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.760 you're just a good black actor. Yeah, he's just good. 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.240 I'm going to want to create something that represents what 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.720 I am and as opposed to what the world says 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.360 I should be. That makes sense. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.640 Well, did you also know that the Cosby Show wasn't 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.840 his first sitcom? He had a sitcom before that called 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.720 Cosby that Fait Miserable. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:01.960 Talked about it. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:08.520 Too, Cosby, which came after on CBS or something like 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.400 that Cosby Show. 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:12.800 And then what was when you said the one before 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.520 that was just called Cosby? Okay, that was just called 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.240 Cosby and it was it failed miserably and he said 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.280 it was because he allowed the studios to tell him 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.640 how he was going to be received on TV, and 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.760 when it failed, he was just like, I'm never listening 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.200 to them again. And then he started to promote his 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.480 own I mean, he had little Bill it wasn't just 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:32.920 a Cosby show. He had a bunch of which is 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.720 I hate saying this because people always equate one with 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.680 the other. But when I look at what I want 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.560 to do as a creator, I often look at Bill Cosby. Right. 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:43.600 Not only did he have a TV show, he was 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.600 also doing films like Ghost Dad. He also had Little Bill. 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.880 He had so many different mediums and projects that wasn't 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.280 around the Cosby show that showed black people in a 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.640 positive light but also talked about black history. I want 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.280 to do the same thing with us and the yellisis 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:59.280 a lot of times when you say you want to 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.320 do something like people would be like what you want 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.160 to and I'm like, why does it have to go there? Right? 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.679 When we're talking about content and what he did for 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:06.560 that aspect. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.320 I even think about the way they spoke on the show, 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.119 like did you ever notice like the way they were 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.840 pronounced certain words like mature and you know there were 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.480 certain words that they wouldn't just they were very It 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.360 was almost like they studied voice addiction when they were speaking. 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.840 On the show, and he was sence I know you're 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:25.960 talking about and play. 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.680 And even just and even Felicia rashat like the way 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.280 they spoke was very very so you think we had 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.200 the episode on code switching and like how to speak properly, 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.120 And I feel like I even think I remember hearing 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.160 at one point that he was also very invested in 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.879 the other actors, like the children, so people who played 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:45.200 Vanessa and Theo. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.720 And Rudy and her. She was like, yo, I'm not 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.359 trying to beat this version of me right exactly. 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:54.680 So I can see when he got pushed back, she's 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.960 not doing it right. She wasn't signing up to that. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.560 But I did see. I can see how in creating 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:03.040 this stand of excellence that he saw for his show 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.880 and for the people involved in his show, how probably 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.480 those things like a psychologist or maybe somebody even for 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.560 speech was involved in the process. 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:11.639 Yeah. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:12.560 Yeah, I feel like. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.560 It was a powerful show to see the Huxtable family 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.560 and the light that they were in. But however, like 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:22.960 you said, black people are not a monolith, and so 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.880 black people who didn't have that experience because that type 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.120 of family, that type of black family does exist where 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:33.720 there's generations of successful, college educated black people who speak 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.040 properly and have professional jobs and you know, have money 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.640 and can afford to have five kids. But then there's 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.800 also black people who are poor and they live in 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:44.760 the hood and they talk a different way, and so 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:49.439 they growing up, Yeah, they think it's married. Even to 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.600 see a married black couple like I have. My mom 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:57.240 has nine sisters, two brothers, and one of my mom's sisters, 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.560 my aunt be. She was married to Uncle Phil and 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.520 we used to call them the Huxtables because he did 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.119 wear sweaters, he was a teacher, they had a house, 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:09.040 and it was not something that was like normal in 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:13.040 our family, right right, right, And so still even though 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.560 you want, you know this, this certain type of blackness 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.000 to be seen in a certain light for black people 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.320 to aspire to, sometimes it can make black people feel othered. 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.760 And I think that is kind of what the idea 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:27.560