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Speaker 3: You might have to elaborate on that with me. When

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Speaker 1: Dead Ass. It all started with real talk, unfiltered, honest,

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Speaker 3: Dead Ass was more than a podcast for us. It

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Speaker 3: was about our growth, a place where we could be vulnerable, be.

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Speaker 3: But as we know, life keeps evolving and so do we,

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Speaker 1: Story time. The funny thing is Tripple was just like, YO,

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Speaker 1: And Roger kept saying, we don't give a fuck if

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Speaker 2: It's one thing. And when you walk by me, that

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Speaker 3: Still going like this, Well she ain't lost that.

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Speaker 6: Firstdeen look like she.

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Speaker 7: Was like, no, i'mnna leave you alone.

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Speaker 3: Listen underneath this, Okay, this this garment, this frock. I'm

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Speaker 3: That's the fact I'm getting it together, y'all.

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Speaker 7: Right, I'm right.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if I want to sabotage or not,

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Speaker 3: It's been around me the longest and most consistently. I

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Speaker 6: I've been seeing you working out. When I go to

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Speaker 4: Every day everything she does, what is kadem She.

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Speaker 1: You don't work out every day?

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Speaker 6: Then, all right, but I did see something really exciting

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Speaker 4: No, I like the Fresh Prince.

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Speaker 4: Well, I for when I'm looking forward to it. I

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Speaker 1: Most classic TV moments, Bro. I feel you though, Gosh,

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Speaker 1: that would actually be dope because the nostalgia of the

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Speaker 6: I like that it's an extension of the Martin universe.

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Speaker 7: And then I want him to do that. The one

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Speaker 6: Him to do from the Martin Show is say take

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Speaker 3: Is man, yo, let us wrong with us.

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Speaker 1: With Tommy Davis him. Did y'all seeing Martin break character?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely was that even on the sides I just want

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Speaker 1: Is delicious, Martin lost Tom Davis.

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Speaker 4: The goal was to break the Martin on that show,

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Speaker 6: They want to break because he would always break that.

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Speaker 6: He was always funny and they had to kind of

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Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, she admits to it.

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Speaker 4: She was like sort of passive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. She would have let Martin say stuff to her

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Speaker 3: Right, and then I feel like she evolved into kind

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Speaker 1: That's another one of my favorite episodes.

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Speaker 3: We got the kids saying it that time. We took

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Speaker 7: It was such a thing.

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Speaker 4: It's the Martin Reunion episode, right, Well, Martin, it was

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Speaker 4: black excellence and he was black power.

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Speaker 1: That was a fact. That is a fact.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, think about all this. It comes back

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a different world.

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Speaker 1: It was part of the movement.

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Speaker 4: Black college and university sweaters.

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Speaker 3: It's the stuff that you realize when you watched this

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Speaker 1: Be I next, I got an opera? Was that real quick?

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Speaker 4: And goes to the topic what's that is Bill Cosby

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Speaker 6: I think at a certain time he was black excellence

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Speaker 7: But can be true.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and not even talking about that but he also

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Speaker 1: So did you see his arguments, Well, they just showed

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Speaker 1: in a negative light. Really, yes, he was that deliberate.

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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby was about making sure that people were seen

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Speaker 1: And this goes to what Trouble was saying the last time.

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Speaker 3: Which then in turn had people thinking that this was

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Speaker 4: But that's what life and that's the thing that's his life.

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Speaker 4: If you're living at a certain level of affluence and

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Speaker 4: I'm going to want to create something that represents what

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Speaker 1: Well, did you also know that the Cosby Show wasn't

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Speaker 1: Cosby that Fait Miserable.

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Speaker 3: Talked about it.

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Speaker 1: Cosby and it was it failed miserably and he said

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Speaker 3: I even think about the way they spoke on the show,

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Speaker 1: On the show, and he was sence I know you're

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Speaker 1: And Rudy and her. She was like, yo, I'm not

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Speaker 3: So I can see when he got pushed back, she's

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Speaker 3: But I did see. I can see how in creating

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Speaker 6: It was a powerful show to see the Huxtable family

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Speaker 6: And I think that is kind of what the idea

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Speaker 7: Instead of empowering people.

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Speaker 3: Makes them feel powerless. Yes, yeah, that's insane. I think

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Speaker 1: In all honesty, my brother's second baby mother did tell

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Speaker 1: That's not something I can like, I'm making up over

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Speaker 4: I just want to say this. Don't ever feel any

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Speaker 4: It's a weird thing to hear that that you found

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Speaker 4: it surprising because it's just the world.

444
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Speaker 1: I think. No, I said, I found it surprising because

445
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: think about it, we come from where we come from.

446
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: I only saw my mom and dad. Then I only

447
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: saw my grandparents. The only broken family I saw was

448
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: my mom's mom, who ended up getting remarried. So in

449
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: my normal, everybody got married. Yeah, the aspiration was and

450
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 1: that was for me. And then I had to step

451
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Speaker 1: out of that and get in the real world and

452
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: realized that seventy five percent of the kids that I

453
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: trained had a different lifestyle. So then I had to say, oh,

454
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: I in my demographic with these kids, I'm the anomaly.

455
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 1: So I can't make my lifestyle like, for example, your

456
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: lifestyle can't be considered black excellence. Yeah, if most of

457
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: the people in that same demographic are doing something difference,

458
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: now they feel slighted, like shit, I didn't get Like,

459
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: for example, if you're a woman, no one wanted to

460
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Speaker 1: marry me, am I not excellent. If you're a man,

461
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: if you couldn't find a woman too married him, I'm

462
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Speaker 1: not excellent. If you a child, if my kids, I

463
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: can understand where Tripp's coming from, but I understand it's exposure.

464
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Speaker 4: Bro. I just think it's exposure. Like my parents married

465
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Speaker 4: for forty something years forty three years next month, and

466
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Speaker 4: then their friends have also been married. I don't think

467
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 4: my parents really have divorced friends, like all of their

468
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:50,719
Speaker 4: friends are married.

469
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Speaker 6: That's what you're saying, married parents, Your parents are not

470
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 6: going to have married friends, like I grew up with.

471
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 6: My dad didn't get married until I was fourteen, so

472
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 6: my mom had friends who were working mothers who didn't

473
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 6: have husbands. And so it's not about it being normal

474
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 6: or abnormal. It's about you having the perspective that other

475
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 6: things exist. You're putting for something, it doesn't mean that

476
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 6: somebody is going to receive it in the same way

477
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 6: that you think that it will be received. Even if

478
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 6: my mom did have a married couple that she brought around,

479
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 6: it would still be like that is crazy.

480
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Speaker 7: It wouldn't be like you know what I mean, It

481
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Speaker 7: would be like.

482
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's possible.

483
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, it wouldn't be like that's now normal. It's just

484
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Speaker 6: a different perspective.

485
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, And ultimately, all that glitters is not gold,

486
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: right because you have the standard of excellence that we say, oh,

487
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 3: it's these married couples, and we know several of them

488
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: who are all fucking miserable, who are all miserable and

489
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: within their own marriage that we deem excellent. They're all

490
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 3: feeling powerless because they can't get out of a situation

491
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 3: that they're ultimately wanted to be. But then I see

492
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: people who are single moms who are thriving, doing well,

493
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 3: children successful. That's black excellence in itself too. That's the

494
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Speaker 3: power that these single have given their their their sons.

495
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: You know, for example, a couple couple of mothers who

496
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Speaker 3: we know who are doing really amazing things with their children,

497
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 3: you know, and single dads too. There's excellence in that

498
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 3: and power in that.

499
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Speaker 1: So let me ask a question, do y'all do y'all?

500
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Speaker 1: How we define black excellence pretty much is problematic because

501
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: it's not monolithic. We have to change what black excellence

502
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: looks like. What about how we define black power though?

503
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 7: Like?

504
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: What is what is the difference between black excellence and

505
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: black power? I know what my example of black and

506
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: in my mind when I think about black power, Well,

507
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: let me start with black excellence. Black excellence is a representation, right,

508
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: this is what black excellence is supposed to be. Everybody

509
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: looks at it and says, boom, that's black excellence. Black power

510
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: is more of an action word, like what are we

511
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: doing to move a market? For example? Just an easy example,

512
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: the Montgomery the Montgomery bus boycott. That to me was

513
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: an example of black power. Now, I also feel that

514
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: black power is black excellence. But I also don't feel

515
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Speaker 1: like black excellence is always black power.

516
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 3: You don't always feel like excellent, Okay, And.

517
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: I'll give you why. Black excellence to me is an image, right.

518
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: For example, example, that image is Barack and Michelle Obama,

519
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: black men, black women, both marry, both attorneys, two beautiful

520
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: daughters president of the United States. But if we go

521
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: back to what Trible said, right, what if you're a

522
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: single mom and you can't relate to that vision of

523
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: black excellence and you feel powerwerless? Right, So that vision

524
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: of black excellence doesn't relate to someone. Black power, regardless,

525
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: relates to everybody. Every black person looks at the Montgomery

526
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: bus boycott and feels powerful. No one looks at that

527
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: and says I feel powerless because I can't relate to that.

528
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: That to me is the difference between black power and

529
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: Black excellence. Black excellence is more like an adjective, It

530
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: describes something. Black power is more like a verb, like

531
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: a movement, a movement. That's how I see.

532
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 6: I'm glad you brought up the Montgomery boycott specifically because

533
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 6: that's a really great, great, great example about what is

534
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 6: problematic about black excellence in terms of black power.

535
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 7: So I do agree.

536
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 6: Black excellence is more individual focused and black power is

537
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 6: about the collective.

538
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 7: Now, the way that.

539
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 6: The Montgomery Boycott's bus boycott started is because a fifteen

540
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 6: year old pregnant girl named claudeke Covin sat down on

541
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Speaker 6: the bus, but because she was fifteen and pregnant and unmarried.

542
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Speaker 1: She couldn't be.

543
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 6: They made Rosa Parks the face of that situation, which

544
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 6: Rosa Parks could be seen as black and excellent because

545
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 6: she's light skinned, she's an adult, she's married, and claudiak

546
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 6: Covin could not, even though it shouldn't matter because the

547
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 6: message of the boycott would be the same.

548
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Speaker 7: We are not going to sit in the back of

549
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Speaker 7: the bus.

550
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 6: Are they saying that because she had she she's unmarried

551
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 6: and pregnant, she's not excellent and therefore she's not good

552
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 6: enough to protect it.

553
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, she can sen her ass on.

554
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: The back of the bus because she had a baby

555
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: out she.

556
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 3: Was finding exactly according to whose standards?

557
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 7: Those were our standards exactly. So I feel like.

558
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 6: That's that is the problem, because black power is about

559
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 6: the collective. Like during the Black Lives Matter movement when

560
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 6: George Floyd was murdered, and we we all now we

561
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 6: get upset when people bring up the fact that George

562
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 6: Floyd was a criminal or he was on drugs. He

563
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 6: didn't deserve to be strangled, And that is black power.

564
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 6: That is every black person, no matter what your stature

565
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 6: is in life, saying that no matter what his stature

566
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 6: is in life, he doesn't deserve to be murdered.

567
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: Let me explain something to you. I want wholeheartedly to

568
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: argue with you right now.

569
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 3: He came out with.

570
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: For everybody today.

571
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 4: I said, Wade, the spirit of areas wants to come out.

572
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: Yo. It's so bad. But nah, I feel you like

573
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: that's that is the perfect definition. Black excellence speaks to

574
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: a personal preference. It's very idealistic, and it's very like picturesque. Yes,

575
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: black power don't hold no bars. We don't give a

576
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: fuck who the person is. We gotta defend. We don't

577
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: care how flawed they are. Black power is defending what's right, what's.

578
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 7: Just so not.

579
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: My question is are there any spaces where black excellence

580
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: and black power can coexist?

581
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 4: So they need to exist? Can you name?

582
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 7: Can you name an example?

583
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 6: Because I can name examples where they can, but they

584
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 6: have not.

585
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 4: Because I think.

586
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 6: That being black excellence is black exceptionalism. And we were

587
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 6: talking about code switching, and I feel like those people,

588
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 6: those people who are considering themselves black and excellent, they've

589
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 6: had to do things to distance themselves from blackness in

590
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 6: a way that is not excellent.

591
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: I agree.

592
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 6: So therefore they can't really standing with the collective because

593
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 6: they're distancing themselves from these other black people. They think

594
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 6: if these black people would just be excellent, then we

595
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 6: could all. Instead of saying it doesn't matter where you

596
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 6: are in life, we can all still. So I haven't

597
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 6: seen it happen. I think that it could, but I

598
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 6: don't see.

599
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: The theory it should.

600
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 4: It should should be a.

601
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: A perfect example, right, we've just seen it.

602
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: There are certain entertainers and actors who only do pr

603
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: and marketing with white outlets. I'm not gonna out them

604
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: or give them any credence, but we know who they are.

605
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: It's certain people.

606
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: You only see them on certain platforms.

607
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: Right. Athletes too, just certain athletes who just do that.

608
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: When we watched Michael b and Ryan Coogler do every

609
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: podcast from the smallest black podcast to the largest USA

610
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: Today to variety, that's an example of black power and

611
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: black excellence. We watched Ryan Coogler stand up there in

612
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: his normal set and speak excellently about the frames of

613
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: the different millimeter cameras. That's black power and that's black excellence.

614
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: Because he never tried to change who he was. I

615
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: am exactly authentically myself, and I'm doing it at a

616
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: high level. That's excellence and power because no one, no

617
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: black person in that moment didn't feel seen, you know

618
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, which not for nothing. Remember when the

619
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: after show Josh said Deval will admit when he figured something.

620
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: I went upstairs, right, and I was thinking about our debate.

621
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why I think Tripple was right.

622
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: When you have a black person that stands up there

623
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: in their blackness right and speaks excellently about anything, it

624
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: then changes the perspective of what excellence is. And that's

625
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: what you were saying. Yeah, And the fact that he

626
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: doesn't have to change his vernacular at all, and people

627
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: could just be like, man, that man is smart, even

628
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: though he sounded like he from Oakland, is black excellence

629
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: and black power. And I feel like Ryan stood in

630
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: that because even in hearing him speak, you can tell

631
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: he's not as comfortable speaking in front of people, but

632
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: he chose to still do that the same way him

633
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: and Michael Be chose to do every outlet from.

634
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: Variety to this, Like he's on podcasts of people that have.

635
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty follows. That to me is black

636
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: pound black excellence, Like I got to shout them them

637
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: brothers out, and they're not the first to do that

638
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: at all. To be honest, Easter Ray, if I'm being honest,

639
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: is the one who coined that I am going to

640
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: speak to she said it.

641
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

642
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: That's black pound want black excellence. Is the crazy part

643
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: black people killing Easter Ray on the internet right now

644
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: talking about her Black Mirror episode.

645
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't see the Black Man? What was about?

646
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: Did you see it?

647
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 1: You have to watch it. I don't want to ruin

648
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: it for people.

649
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 7: I love to watch it, and I I actually.

650
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 6: Predicted that it was going to happen and my gay self, No,

651
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 6: I just predicted that she was gonna be doing some

652
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 6: gay ship.

653
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: Gar. I didn't even see.

654
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: That episode she was gay. I thought the episode was brilliant.

655
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: I watched it with Tristan Okay, I can understand why

656
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: people are confused in the episode, she's not she becomes

657
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: someone else and she's not supposed to know anything that's

658
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: going on in the fucking episode, So it seems like

659
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: she's underware and awkward, and all people kept saying online

660
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: was like, she's so awkward and unaware, she has no

661
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: idea what's going on.

662
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: That was the point the people that don't watch Her

663
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: mirror making comments like, you watch Black Mirror, you understand

664
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Speaker 3: those worlds are not the worlds that we currently live in. Yes,

665
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: and she also her YouTube was an awkward black girl,

666
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: wasn't it? Like that's I think. I think I've seen

667
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: her in every film and I think she's awkward.

668
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: A lot of people like to know her exactly where

669
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: they saw her first. She's evolved as a creator, and

670
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 1: I think sometimes when people don't get the concept of art,

671
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: they try to keep them back to where they was.

672
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: This is Black Mirror. This ain't insecure. She's not being

673
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: Eastern race. She's a whole another character. Like it's a

674
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: different thing, but that.

675
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 4: Intelligence, Yes, that is right.

676
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: No, seriously, it is because like Josha, there's people who

677
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: don't watch Black Mirror who are commenting, creating whole opinion pieces,

678
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: and it's like, you don't even watch the show to

679
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: know what it is.

680
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 6: Do you also think that maybe like subconsciously, because Eaterray

681
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 6: was the only black person in that episode, I feel

682
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 6: like subconsciously, sometimes black people have a problem with something

683
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 6: and they don't know what it is or they don't

684
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 6: know how to express it, so they kind of lash

685
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 6: out because I'm like, maybe they felt uncomfortable with her

686
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 6: doing some gay shit, Maybe they felt uncomfortable with the

687
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 6: character she was playing, or that like there was no

688
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 6: other black people in there she was kissing a white lady.

689
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 7: That could make them feel weird. They don't know that.

690
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: I think so, and I do think that sometimes people

691
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable and they don't know what to do or say,

692
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: so the first thing they do is do what they

693
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: have control over, So they go online and they leave

694
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: opinions hoping for someone else to agree with them.

695
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: That's how we have y'all, because you don't have to

696
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 3: have an opinion, especially when you haven't watched. Like if

697
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: there's a universe of a show that you don't typically

698
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: watch and then you watch one episode, it was like,

699
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: I didn't get it. You probably weren't supposed to get

700
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: it because you don't even know what the show is about.

701
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 6: I think too, it is true that niggas just don't

702
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 6: be knowing what y'all talking about. That too, because they

703
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 6: were talking about Ray in terms of the movie One

704
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 6: of Them Days, which I just watched.

705
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 7: It is so good. I loved it. But they're talking

706
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 7: about as if she.

707
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 6: Wrote the movie. She did not write it. She produced it.

708
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 6: That means she paid for it to get made. Somebody

709
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 6: else wrote it. But they were saying, like, what is

710
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 6: isano about struggling and have to having to pay Her

711
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 6: parents are rich. I don't mean that she had money,

712
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 6: but she also talks about when she came up as

713
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 6: a filmmaker having to like having no money to make films.

714
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 6: It is a very expensive thing to do, and having

715
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 6: to ask her friends to work for free. If you

716
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 6: watch the original Awkward Black Girl, you could tell that

717
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 6: it's low budget.

718
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 7: They had what they had, so she worked to get

719
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 7: it done.

720
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: Just because her parents have money, don't mean parents could

721
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: have easily said, yo, you got to figure this out.

722
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: I was about to say that.

723
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 3: This is a moment we have money, you.

724
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: Know, But I'm glad you brought that up. Trouble, because

725
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: that also is the thing that bothers me as we

726
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: talk about black excellence and black power, right, it's this

727
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: idea that black excellence is only associated with struggle.

728
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 7: Well, I think it's the opposite.

729
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 6: I feel like, like I was saying, people that feel

730
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 6: left out of that black excellence conversation, is black excellence.

731
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 7: I don't think anybody can argue with that.

732
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 6: But then people are thinking, well, she's black excellence because

733
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 6: her parents had money and she had more opportunity. That's

734
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 6: why she's able to get it, when I shouldn't be

735
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 6: talking about my experience.

736
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. I feel like that's unfair

737
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: to say that this person has to go through this

738
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: struggle to have a black tag, to say this is.

739
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 6: Black, to just be able to understand black people in

740
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 6: black life. I don't think that you have to necessarily

741
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 6: go through the same things. And then she didn't write

742
00:35:59,440 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 6: the movie.

743
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: That's that's the big The biggest thing is she didn't

744
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: write the movie. The same way people was asking me, like,

745
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: why you make the tickets for a fell a little

746
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: so expensive question?

747
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: Blown argument with somebody that he knows about that, and

748
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 3: it went completely left and I was like that I

749
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: did not set the ticket prices. We had nothing to

750
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: do with the ticket prices, y'all. We don't set that

751
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: as producer.

752
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: But but but that's the point that you niggas don't

753
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: be knowing, they don't know how to just go online

754
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: and say things. And there's a whole bunch of other

755
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: niggas who don't.

756
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: Know ship will pull a piggyback on it.

757
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: And before I say, niggas to do that, like only

758
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: black people do that. No, if you if you only

759
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: follow the shade room, you only hear black news.

760
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 3: That's true.

761
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: Go to other rooms, go to the Indian shade room

762
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: or the Asian shade room. They be in there getting

763
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: on each other too. Right, this is gonna be funny, right,

764
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: Okay funny?

765
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: Is it really gonna be funny to vout somebody gonna

766
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: be offended?

767
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: No, it's actually gonna be fun things somebody somebody might

768
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: be somebody might be a fan.

769
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: But I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna say what

770
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 2: I say anyway.

771
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: Right in my group chats, Right, there's a bunch of

772
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: young black dudes who are all like in their late

773
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: twenties or thirties, all my prototype kids, right, and they

774
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: constantly kept saying to me, like black people are the

775
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: only people that do this. Black people are the only

776
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: people that do this, right, And then we had gotten

777
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: to the argument about black women and black men, and

778
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: they were like, black women are the only women on

779
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: the internet talking about black men. So at that point

780
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: I chose to introduce them to different parts of the

781
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: digital space. You only follow neighborhood Talk, you only follow

782
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: the Shade Room, so you only hear black women's opinions.

783
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: So I started sharing with them all these different opinions

784
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: from all these different women from different cultures, and it

785
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: sounded exactly the same. And I said, this is the point, y'all.

786
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: What you read, what you listen to, your algorithm is

787
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: going to keep sending that to you. So your algorithm

788
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: is only sending you stuff like the Shade Room and

789
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: neighborhood Talk, so you feel that only black people are

790
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: speaking about these things, when in reality, the whole world

791
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: is having the same converse. And you're upset at black

792
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: women because those are the women you frequent, same thing

793
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: with black women. You upset a black men because black

794
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: men are the only ones saying this. No no, no, no no.

795
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: Go to them. Go to the Asian Shade Room and

796
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: watch how they talk about Asian man.

797
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: Is the Asian Shade Room is I don't know.

798
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep my mouth.

799
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: Shut but but you understand what I'm saying.

800
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: I get what you're saying.

801
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: What you're saying like we we also as black people,

802
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: if we want to talk about what black excellence is

803
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: and what black power is, we have to expand our perspective, right,

804
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: That's what Josh.

805
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 5: Was saying into saying, Yeah, like you can't own you

806
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 5: can't only watch the Shade Room and then say to

807
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 5: me all black women anything.

808
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: I don't know your opinion doesn't matter to me at

809
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: all at this point. Like if you look at someone's

810
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: homepage on the Instagram, that tells you where their mind

811
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: is most of the time.

812
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 3: So I was as the conversation is going, I even

813
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 3: thought about the conversation that we had on the Code

814
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 3: Switching episode where we talked about the oscars, right, and

815
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 3: we said that they're just out here, you know, voting

816
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: off vibes. And we have always aspired to I think

817
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 3: in generalist people, if the standard of excellence within film

818
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 3: is to get an Oscar, we all black people included

819
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: aspire to that as actors. Right, So when talking about

820
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: black excellence and Black power and spaces and arenas that

821
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: we have now curated for ourself to celebrate each other.

822
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: Where are those spaces and what do they look like? So,

823
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: for example, what came to mind for me was essence

824
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: Black Women in Hollywood. That's a space that I've been

825
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 3: invited to where I go because sometimes you need to

826
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: be in a space where you feel celebrated amongst your peers.

827
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: You can aspire and be inspired, you can kind of

828
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: get a recharge and a reset in a forum that

829
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: you know has been specifically designed to celebrate the excellence

830
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 3: but also the power behind being in numbers of women

831
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: who are like minded and doing the things that you

832
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: want to do or have done, or aspire to do.

833
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: So we have like the Black and since Black Women

834
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: in Hollywood, I was just at to accelerate her conference

835
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 3: in Miami. So what are other spaces that you think

836
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: that we are now saying? You know what, we need

837
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: to now create these spaces for ourselves because we can't

838
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: always rely on other folks to celebrate us and how

839
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: that ties into excellence in power We've.

840
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 4: Been doing go ahead, no, no, good God, I think we've

841
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 4: been doing it for since since the establishment of us

842
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 4: in this country.

843
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: I was want to say the same thing.

844
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 4: We got the Divine nine, we got Black organizations that

845
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 4: celebrate us Jack and Jill, Jack and jail, Right, So,

846
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 4: I think I think there's always been us making space

847
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 4: for ourselves. That's why we got a black college and

848
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 4: universities like we we've recognized that we need space to

849
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 4: empower ourselves and become excellent at the same time.

850
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: Right.

851
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 4: I think things like these, these organizations, are these these

852
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 4: exposed or yeah, conferences, conferences that you are just a

853
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 4: microcosm of that shared Black experience that we you know,

854
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 4: are subsectors. But I think we've always been doing it.

855
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with Josh. If you think about reconstruction.

856
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: There are so many black cities in black towns who

857
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: were built off of black excellence and black power. The

858
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: problem is history has shown us that when you build

859
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: something off black excellence and black power, they're gonna take it,

860
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: or they gonna drown it, or they gonna and burn it.

861
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. Like you talk about Tols,

862
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: you think about Seneca Falls, There's so many examples of

863
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: black excellence and black power that has just been disintegrated

864
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: by white superiority. So I feel like in these last

865
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: fifty years, black people have decided to find their excellence

866
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: and their power and keep it quiet and keep it private.

867
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: For example, I work at Tyler Perry Studios. Right, this

868
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: is not a humble brag. I make more money than

869
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the people working on Hollywood and they're white.

870
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: Because my employer is a black owner. He owns the land,

871
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: he owns the studios, he owns the content, He decides

872
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: who makes what money. I think we're finally reaching a

873
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: point where I no longer have to run to another

874
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: version of what I want to do right to be celebrated, and.

875
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: I think those are spaces where we then celebrate like

876
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: this is a group of black affluent people, this is

877
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 3: a group of black students. So when you talked about

878
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: in the code switching episode, sometimes you don't want to

879
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: be known as the first black actor to do this,

880
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: or I am a black actor who did that, or

881
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 3: I'm a black father. It's like, how do we tow

882
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 3: the line between wanting to celebrate that in the excellence

883
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: and power that stands with it, but then how do

884
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: we also say, you know what, I want to be

885
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: seen as just a great man, just a great woman,

886
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: just a great father, just a great mother.

887
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: So you' just gonna come here today and put your

888
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 2: journalism degree to work.

889
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: Because that's a good question, because.

890
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like how do we coexist in that space?

891
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: That's a good point. You know, I'm not gonna lie.

892
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: I struggle with that, like Trible, I told Go told Jackson.

893
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: I was like, yo. He was like, Dad, you're gonna

894
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: win in Oscar. You're gonna do all this other stuff.

895
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, when I do win in Oscar,

896
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't want them to be like he's the third

897
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: black person to win and that. And then I was like, nah,

898
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: I do want them to do that because other black

899
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: kids need to see that this is excellence. And then

900
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: I was struggling, like do I want them to announce

901
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: it that way to marginalize it, or do I want

902
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: them to say this is the first Oscar for Deval

903
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: he beat out so and so. And then it's just yeah,

904
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm struggling. I don't have the answer.

905
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: Think about what number one on the call sheet? Did

906
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: you guys watch that on Netflix?

907
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 7: Yeah?

908
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: So it's great and it's two parts. They have a

909
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: couple gentlemen and then they have the women who spoke

910
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: about it. But particularly the episode with the women where

911
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: They were talking about Whoopy Goldberg and her being one

912
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 3: of the first and only, you know of her time

913
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: to win an oscar and there were only like three

914
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: or four black women in a span of decades.

915
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: The first thing is Whoopy Goldberg was so talented, right,

916
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: she could do stand up, she could sing, she could write,

917
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: and she could act. She was so gifted they didn't

918
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: even know what to do with her. Right. Now, here's

919
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: the crazy part. All of the movies that Whoopy's done,

920
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: critically acclaimed and box office success were all roles written by,

921
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: written for and by white men, but either white women

922
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: on white men, and they didn't want to do it.

923
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: So Whoopy said, I'll do it, and.

924
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: We people didn't want.

925
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: Eddie was.

926
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 3: Well, she said that Patrick Swayze was the one who

927
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: wanted her. I love Patrick, you know me and Dirty Dancing, y'all.

928
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, your favorite, that's a good that's a good

929
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: movie to Eddie. I'm not Eddie Wesley Snie, that's my guy.

930
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: But she she talked about how even being excellent in

931
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: Hollywood during that time, there was no such thing as

932
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: black excellence. She was just excellent, and because there was

933
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: no space for black people, they didn't even know what

934
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: to do with her. And when I watched that, I

935
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: was just like wow. Like, but that's also the challenge

936
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: when you say black excellence, those people don't know what

937
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: to do with black excellent even when you say excellence,

938
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: because Whoopy was never celebrated as a black excellent person.

939
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: She was just excellent and they still didn't though. So

940
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: that's what leaves me kind of confused, Like how do

941
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: you exactly navigate it? Because I don't want them to

942
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: make all of my accomplish Smith's about black, but I

943
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: need all these black boys and black girls to be like, yo,

944
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: yeah he did that. You know what I'm saying. It's hard.

945
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 4: It sort of talks to a point about when you

946
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 4: brought up Tyler Perry and your earnings based off of

947
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 4: him seeing you. I think it talks to black excellence

948
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 4: having to move hand in hand with black power, right

949
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 4: like I think I think we shouldn't separate the two.

950
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 4: I think, all right, being good at your craft and

951
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 4: being excellent at your craft needs to move with power,

952
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 4: like you need that power to be able to It

953
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 4: can't be ideology, yes, it can be ideology, exactly right.

954
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 4: It has to show its strength yea, and it has

955
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 4: to be able to move right. We're talking money talks, right,

956
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 4: Money's power.

957
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: Right.

958
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 4: We live in a capitalist country. Right, politics on mean

959
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 4: nothing here. Fact right, the only thing that meat that

960
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 4: moves anything or anyone is the money money. Right, And

961
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 4: you can't be excellent without the money, because once you're excellent,

962
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 4: you're giving room for people to say, nah, we're gonna

963
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 4: go with somebody else. Forget that they're good. We can

964
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 4: get somebody else that's white, that's good. We can get

965
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 4: somebody else that does this in a in a completely

966
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 4: different way. Or we don't have to fund it. The

967
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 4: government doesn't have to fund what we do. But when

968
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 4: we move with power, we can more or less break barriers,

969
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 4: or we can we don't have to.

970
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: Get what you're saying. No, no, no, I get what you're saying,

971
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: and you articulated it perfectly. Like black excellence is an ideology.

972
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: Black power is an actual action item, like what are

973
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: we doing to move us forward? Black excellence is this idea? Right,

974
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: the idea is Barack Obama and Michelle.

975
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 3: Or it comes after attaining some sort of power.

976
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: Move right, No, well, no, well, the excellence, you're right,

977
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: Excellence typically does come after, like.

978
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: What deems excellent, what's deemed something excellent after going through

979
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 3: something process.

980
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 4: Just give our listeners like some actual tangible examples.

981
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 6: I'll say I'll say this about I'll stick with the

982
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 6: Tyler Perry example, because again, black excellence is based on

983
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 6: your individual accomplishments.

984
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 7: Black power is based on the collective. So, okay, Tyler Perry.

985
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 6: It's not the money that makes him powerful. It's the

986
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 6: fact that he makes black content for Black people, by

987
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 6: black people. He continues to do that and he doesn't

988
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 6: have to answer to anybody else about what he makes.

989
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 7: Yes, that's the power.

990
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: And then he's deemed excellent because of that.

991
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 6: Exactly, he's deemed excellent because he makes a bunch of

992
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 6: money he's able to do. You know, he built his

993
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 6: empire off making these black plays and black people going

994
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 6: to see him. That's his excellence. He makes good content

995
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 6: for the people that he makes it for. And now

996
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 6: he's empowered other black people, black artists, even black consumers

997
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 6: that there is space for them in the world of art, TV, movies, theater. Now,

998
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 6: one thing that I don't the one thing that I

999
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 6: hate about Beyonce is that she will go to the

1000
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 6: Grammys every year sit in that audience and watch them

1001
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 6: play in her face and not give her Artists of

1002
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 6: the Year. And it's not And we always say, we

1003
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 6: say every year that she has been nominated, they are

1004
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 6: not giving it to her because she's black. Because as

1005
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 6: a musician, regardless of you know, color, her art is

1006
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 6: better than everybody else on the dock, especially the winner.

1007
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 6: But she doesn't show up at the Soul Train Awards

1008
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 6: or the BET Awards. And Beyonce has the power behind

1009
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 6: the collective because she has made the art that we

1010
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 6: enjoy and she has stayed true to her blackness that

1011
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 6: black black Beyonce fans are dedicated to her. She has

1012
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 6: and just fans overall are so dedicated to her that

1013
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 6: she has the power to draw away viewership from the

1014
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 6: Grammys if she were to show up at the Soul

1015
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 6: Train Awards to say this is the that I care about,

1016
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 6: and so that I feel like that she is not

1017
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 6: using the power that she has, or black power or

1018
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 6: empowering black spaces with the powers exactly.

1019
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: I agree that I agree with you. I want to

1020
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: add something so that you understand a little perspective of

1021
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: what artists go through because me and Kadeen go through this, right,

1022
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: and I'm not outing any black publications, right, but when

1023
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: Kadeen and I have looked at numbers and everything, Kadeen

1024
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: and I aren't celebrated amongst black publications at all. We

1025
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: aren't celebrated. But let a white publication then celebrate us.

1026
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: Then the black want to come back. Can Kadeen and

1027
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: de Val come here? And it's like, wait a minute,

1028
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: all those years when we were doing this just for

1029
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: our people, you never cared enough about us. We've been

1030
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: doing this podcast for.

1031
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: Seventy six years, seven.

1032
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: Years, sixteen seasons, won to Webbe Award, never been nominated

1033
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: for an NAACP Image Award, right, never been talked about

1034
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: by essence And this is It's not a play for

1035
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: me to get nominated.

1036
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: I'm not asking for that because we don't do this

1037
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: for that.

1038
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is is that numbers wise, we've

1039
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: been better than a bunch of podcasts that they've had

1040
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: nominated and win. When you look at metrics and the

1041
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: things that we've talked about have been better, and we

1042
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: haven't been recognized by those black publications. Let emmy come

1043
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we want to honor the Valenkadeen at

1044
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,479
Speaker 1: the Emmy Awards, right, and then we go those same

1045
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: black people will be like, oh, they're gonna go to

1046
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: the Emmys, but they don't go to the Soul Train Awards.

1047
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 2: Well, y'all haven't celebrated us the whole grind.

1048
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: Y'all wait intil white people celebrated us, and now you

1049
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: want us to come back. So in the beginning it

1050
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: was fuck me and my little podcast, but now white

1051
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: people said, hey, we like this, and now I feel

1052
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: like that I'm not gonna lie and I'm a part

1053
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: of the BT family and I'm a part of all

1054
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: of this stuff. But fuck them too, because we bet

1055
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: we've had the number one show on television for seven years.

1056
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: You've never seen any one of them women a show

1057
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: led by five black women. None of them women ever

1058
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: went up there to get in a war by Soul training,

1059
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,959
Speaker 1: none of them ever went to get an n Double

1060
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: ACP Image Award. But let one of them women go

1061
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: up there to go get a Grammy or go get

1062
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: an Emmy. All of them same people are gonna be

1063
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: being like, she didn't come down here with us, y'all

1064
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: didn't y'all didn't recognize it. So when it comes to

1065
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: Beyonce and them, I understand people's thought process, and you're

1066
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: absolutely right. I just wonder what happened to that point

1067
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: and if there was a point like that we felt

1068
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: like because.

1069
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 6: I felt like that, I think Beyonce doesn't It's not

1070
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 6: just the Black Awards that she doesn't go to. I

1071
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 6: don't think she goes to like the A m As anymore.

1072
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 6: Like I think the only award she really goes to

1073
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 6: is the Grammys, Right.

1074
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: I don't wonder if they're voting off the vibes too,

1075
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: or if it's just all of these This was crazy.

1076
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: I think the Sole Train Awards and the nuble A

1077
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: CP Image Awards vote so vibes too, because there's no

1078
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: way you gave other people awards and didn't think about us, Like,

1079
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: are you fucking kidding me? I'm starting to get pissed.

1080
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 7: I wonder how it was.

1081
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: We don't.

1082
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 4: Tell what it is.

1083
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just being honest, right, I hear for the

1084
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 1: last six years, there has been nobody who's done anything

1085
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: as far as has done as much work when it

1086
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: comes to fatherhood and representing a family man in a

1087
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: black space on social media as much as I have

1088
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: an inclusion started friends and my family.

1089
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 3: You started it.

1090
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: Not once have I been nominated for Social Media Person

1091
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,479
Speaker 1: of the Year by the NAACP imas you was. Now,

1092
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: I plan on continuing to go and do stuff when

1093
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: I go get nominated by something else and then soul

1094
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: train you want to come back? No, am I wrong

1095
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: for saying y'all ignored me for all these years? But

1096
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: finally the white publications said I was good, but now

1097
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: you're am I wrong for that? At that point was.

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00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 7: Me and my friends.

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00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 6: We have this phrase that we use and it phrases

1100
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 6: black Nigga Productions and I love black people. I love

1101
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 6: black businesses.

1102
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 7: B MP, but BEMP black people.

1103
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 6: Sometimes they run businesses in a way that you're like,

1104
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 6: fuck and BT, I feel like dust stuff like that,

1105
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 6: Like they will like nominate the same people every year

1106
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 6: instead of recognizing people who actually coming up in the

1107
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 6: space I feel. So it feels to me like Black

1108
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 6: Nika Productions, like who y'all got started two weeks.

1109
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 7: Ago on this Like you know what I'm saying, It

1110
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 7: feels like.

1111
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 3: That to be sometimes Yeah, you know, it ain't.

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00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: Just uses wasn't celebrated by the NAACP. Image awards and

1113
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: by b Et when she had her YouTube series, And

1114
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't until Insecure became mainstream and white people started

1115
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: pointing at east Ray did anyone in the black space

1116
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: start to pay attention to east Ray? So I'm not

1117
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: saying this as if it's a slight on me. This

1118
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: has been happening to us by our own people for years.

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00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: I think, you know what, I think it's ultimately for

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00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 3: you Bae, for example, winning something like social Media Person

1121
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 3: of the Year or whatever. You're just not a social

1122
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: media person. There's just so much more to you. You're

1123
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 3: a legitimate actor. That's what you want to do, that's

1124
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 3: what you want to be. So when those things haven't

1125
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 3: come your way, I was just like, you know what,

1126
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 3: that's just maybe putting you in that box of the

1127
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 3: social media influencer, which is something that you don't necessarily

1128
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 3: want to be. It's what we do as a means

1129
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: to an end to get art in our work out there,

1130
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: to be hired as actors. But you don't want that

1131
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 3: to be you know, what you're defined as. So maybe

1132
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 3: we can look at it that way.

1133
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: That's fair, and that's why I don't think that much

1134
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: about it. But let's be honest. In the last six years,

1135
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: New York Times bestselling author, over four million followers on

1136
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: all platforms, two number one shows, web be award winning podcasts.

1137
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: I think what else we've done? And when they do

1138
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: social Media Person of the Year, they've gone from Kevin Hart, right,

1139
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: all the way down to Kevin Lee, right, Keith Lee,

1140
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: Keith Lee, and Keith Lee at the time when they

1141
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: nominate him had half as many as I did.

1142
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: And then so my thing is.

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00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: What's the criteria?

1144
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 3: Right?

1145
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: What is the criteria? If you went from Kevin Hart

1146
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: to Keith Lee, you went from Entertainer of the Year.

1147
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: From Kicky Palmer, Kekey Palmer.

1148
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: All the way to Tyler Perry entertainer of the year. Right,

1149
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: this is the but you've never mentioned other people who

1150
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: have only been celebrated in black spaces. Do you play

1151
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: the game? People?

1152
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 4: Do you play the game?

1153
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: Do I play what game?

1154
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 4: The politics game?

1155
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: Do you play the game? Name a time in the

1156
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: last six years that I've said no to any publication.

1157
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 3: That's going to be runner.

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00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 1: That's why I be so tired. I've gone to essence

1159
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,959
Speaker 1: and done stuff for free. I've gone to the Soul

1160
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: Train Awards, I've been to ABFF and worked as a correspondent.

1161
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: My point is, I'm not going to give them any passes.

1162
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: The same way I call out white publications, I'm gonna

1163
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: call them out to a lot of Black publications don't

1164
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: big up their black creatives when they're on the rise.

1165
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: They only big up the black creatives once white people

1166
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: have finally said this is the person. And then when

1167
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: that person goes to the enemy's then the black publications

1168
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: want to point out that they don't go to them.

1169
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: But it was like y'all shot on me for years

1170
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: while I was building. And that's just a fact, and

1171
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: not for nothing. A lot of it does have to

1172
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: do with the fact that black publications don't have the

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00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: same resources. They can't celebrate us the way they want

1174
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: to celebrate us. So what they try to do is

1175
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: reach out to the A list stars that have already

1176
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: got celebrated to come to these events to get more sponsors.

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00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: Like I understand, if you're your bet, it's like, we

1178
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: gotta get Kevin Hart, we gotta get we gotta get

1179
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: this person. But but this creators right now in this

1180
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: space that y'all don't know who are going to be

1181
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: those people, y'all ignoring them right now, and when.

1182
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 2: Those people become those people don't go back to them.

1183
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: Then one one publication told us we couldn't be on

1184
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: the cover because Kate wasn't black enough, Josh, you know,

1185
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: because you was out photographer. This is not lies, this

1186
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: is facts.

1187
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 4: I know he's black? Is she black?

1188
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 3: You know?

1189
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 4: You know till it's day when I bring it up

1190
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 4: to them, and they'd be like, we said, we said.

1191
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: I remember when you called me. He was like, d man,

1192
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: like I pissed him for this, but and I was like,

1193
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: are you fucking kidding me? He was like, bro this

1194
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: and I was. I was pissed. I was pissed for

1195
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: my wife more than anything, because here's another example where

1196
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: blackness is only defined by what you say blackness.

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00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 3: Is amongst our own black folks, right yeah.

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00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 4: And now now that same publication it posts mixed racial,

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00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 4: mixed racial couples black and white, like it does what

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00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 4: I'm saying it.

1201
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: And the only reason why they're doing it now is

1202
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: because post and mixed race couples probably got them a

1203
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: bigger except this absolutely proximity. They use artists for proximity

1204
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: the same way people use it for proximity publications do

1205
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: to That is a fact.

1206
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,479
Speaker 3: Put y'all on Game Today on how it works.

1207
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 6: Huh yeah, I mean this has happened. I mean this

1208
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 6: has happened to me. I did a short film and

1209
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 6: like a brand shoot for a haircare a very very

1210
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 6: popular black haircare line back in the day, like twenty seventeen,

1211
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 6: and they scrap the whole thing because the short film,

1212
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 6: which somebody else wrote, was about two women getting married,

1213
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 6: and they were like, no gay shit over here. Wow

1214
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 6: when yeah, never put it out, never use the pictures.

1215
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 6: I got paid, but I would have liked to see myself.

1216
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

1217
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 3: Relax, I guarantee you this.

1218
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: If you did the same project and a white publication

1219
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: picked it up, that black publication would have called you

1220
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: an asker.

1221
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 2: They can run it as well.

1222
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and as unfair as it is. I understand

1223
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: why they're fighting for This is just an example. But

1224
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: Tyler has spoken about this well. Tyler Perry is the

1225
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: highest grossing producer in Hollywood. No one ever talks about it,

1226
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: like producer, director, actor, No one has gross more money

1227
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: than him box office wise. It is a fact. Largest

1228
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: studio all the same words number on everything when it

1229
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: comes down to get money for projects, Right, Yellowstone gets

1230
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: something like twenty four to twenty six million per episode

1231
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: to do their episode. You know how much Tyler gets

1232
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: per episode? Seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

1233
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 7: Oh my god, a fraction.

1234
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: Now. The reason why this is important is because this

1235
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: is why I don't get so upset. I do get

1236
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: upset talking about it. But if you're a publication, you're

1237
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: fighting for resources that you don't have access to. So

1238
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: it's like, what's the best way can I get this?

1239
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 3: How can I get it done quickly?

1240
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to somebody deval or we're gonna nominate

1241
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: Kevin Hart. Sorry Kevin. You know, yeah, the same thing

1242
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: the NBA. In the nl Man, I didn't get drafted.

1243
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: Marcus Colston got drafted right when my senior year. I

1244
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: was a number one receiver. Marcus had just came back

1245
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: off of injury. I was leading and receiving yards and

1246
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: touchdowns up to the last two games. Got hurt when

1247
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: it came down to the draft. Pick. Right the draft,

1248
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: are you going to draft a five to ten, one

1249
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy pound receiver or you're gonna draft six

1250
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: y five, two hundred and forty. I would draft Marcus

1251
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: Coaston ten times out of ten. So I'm not upset.

1252
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: I just understand what it is. I just want the

1253
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: people to understand too. When you see your favorite celebrities

1254
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: sometimes say I'm not going back to be ET, it's

1255
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: probably because they feel like they got shitted on by

1256
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: BT for mad years and being that I'm in here

1257
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: in BT right now, I hear it all the time.

1258
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: I hear and then I hear from the BT exactly

1259
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: like the villa. We're fighting with resources. We can't pay y'all.

1260
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: Like I did a project for Netflix and they sent

1261
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: me on tour press ye pay for everything because it's Netflix.

1262
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: BT hit me like, ll.

1263
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: You want to tour, we don't have money for Graham.

1264
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, I got it. This is for

1265
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: me anyway, So I'll pay to promote to promote my show,

1266
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: so I'll pay for myself and I'll write it off

1267
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: on taxes. But some celebrities after a while just be like, man,

1268
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that for BT no more. And that's

1269
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: the fucked up part. I'm gonna do this for BET

1270
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: till I die, because I want those kids to see me.

1271
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: I think me and Matt talked about this. I want

1272
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: to be the celebrity that does a movie like Independence

1273
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: Day and they're like, y'all want to go see the

1274
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: Vow And the thing is, sit was crazy, But on

1275
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: Wednesday he was Zach m Because there's some family somewhere

1276
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn who don't have the money to pay for

1277
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: a thirty dollars Imax ticket to go see Daval, but

1278
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: on Wednesday they could see Daval. Bzach Like, that's what

1279
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: I want to do. So I'm always gonna be there

1280
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: for BG. Most of wonna be there for the big ones,

1281
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna let them motherfuckers know along the way,

1282
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,439
Speaker 1: like this is this shit ain't right, Like y'all gotta

1283
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: figure this out, you know what I'm saying.

1284
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.

1285
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 7: Figure it out.

1286
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 3: Let's figure out how to pay these bills, because that's

1287
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 3: one thing that's always gonna keep coming, all right. So

1288
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 3: we're gonna do that, and we're gonna move into listening letters.

1289
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 3: Stick around, y'all. All right, we're back and let's dive

1290
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 3: into this Sinstener letter for today. Hello, I am a

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Speaker 3: thirty one year old j American woman and if you

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01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 3: don't know, that's Jamaican American woman. And I'm engaged to

1293
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 3: my fiance, thirty two years old black man. We've been

1294
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 3: dating for about five years, engaged for six months, and

1295
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 3: our wedding is in twenty twenty five. I recently I

1296
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 3: recently was out running errands and I noticed my engagement

1297
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 3: ring slipped off my finger.

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01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: Oh.

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01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 3: I retraced my steps, looked all over my car, but

1300
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 3: I couldn't find it, and believe it was stolen. I'm devastated.

1301
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 3: I found the police report and plan to continue going

1302
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 3: to local pondshots to see if I can find my ring.

1303
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 3: My fiance, unfortunately did not have the ring in shore

1304
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 3: yet he has been pretty chill about the whole situation.

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Speaker 3: The ring cost him thirty five hundred dollars and we

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Speaker 3: both don't make much money. We got into a little

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Speaker 3: argument because I told him I will buy the same

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Speaker 3: ring with the wedding fund. But he made a good

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Speaker 3: point that although I'm paying for majority of the wedding,

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Speaker 3: I can't afford to spend an extra three grand on

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Speaker 3: another ring. Plus, I'm more upset that the sentimental value

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Speaker 3: of my engagement ring is gone, and all we have

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Speaker 3: now are the memories of the proposal, which was simple

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Speaker 3: and intimate, like I had asked. So as of now,

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Speaker 3: we both agreed that I will just wear a nice

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Speaker 3: fake ring so I have something to wear for our

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Speaker 3: engagement photos, my bridal shower, and our wedding, and then

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Speaker 3: three years down the road, he'll buy me another ring.

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Speaker 3: I admire you both, Kadeinia de Val and y'all's marriage.

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Speaker 3: I want to get both of y'all's advice on this

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Speaker 3: and what you guys would do if you were in

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Speaker 3: our shoes. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: This is easy for me because the diamond industry is

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Speaker 1: in shambles. Do not buy another fucking diamond ring. What

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Speaker 1: you do is you go get a lab grown dom.

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Speaker 1: He is going to cost you ten percent of the

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Speaker 1: price and it's going to look exactly the same, no

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Speaker 1: matter why. Because seeking admiration from people outside of your

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Speaker 1: relationship is going to do nothing for your relationship. Go

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Speaker 1: get that fake ring, put on your finger, take your pictures,

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Speaker 1: you and your fiance plan a perfect wedding for y'allself

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Speaker 1: that y'all want, and to go on y'all merried way.

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Speaker 3: Mike Drop, that's really it and the fact that you

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Speaker 3: guys are I mean, and they have a plan to

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Speaker 3: put the fake ring on, get married, and then maybe

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Speaker 3: three years down the line, you want to get another ring,

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Speaker 3: get another ring. We've learned over time that literally these

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Speaker 3: like these things are material. I understand the sentimental value.

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Speaker 3: But Deval proposed with proposed to me with the ring

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Speaker 3: that he had custom made. It was beautiful, roundstone, had

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Speaker 3: a K and a dee on it. It was beautiful

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Speaker 3: and it was made by our jeweler Aria at the

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Speaker 3: time recipes to Ari he died for after Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And that for me was super sentimental because I'm like

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Speaker 3: Ari made the ring, he made my ring, he made

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Speaker 3: original wedding band. It was just very sentimental. And then

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Speaker 3: as the years go on, you live in the memory

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Speaker 3: of it, but the material thing doesn't necessarily have the

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Speaker 3: connection that you think it has to that memory because

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Speaker 3: I've had my ring, this is the third ring I've

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Speaker 3: had now because of out has changed and upgraded just

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Speaker 3: with the time and how my style has changed. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think between the lab grown diamond, that's the that's

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Speaker 3: the hack now because we have someone that we know

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Speaker 3: who's getting a divorce and tried to sell her ring.

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Speaker 3: Ring was valued at seventy five thousand dollars when her

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Speaker 3: husband bought it for her. We took it to a

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Speaker 3: local Julia to try to see she can turn it in.

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Speaker 3: They weren't giving her more than fifteen thousand dollars. He

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Speaker 3: paid seventy five thousand dollars for this ring.

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Speaker 1: Guys, I said, the market has changed so much because

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Speaker 1: lab grown diamonds pretty much take the same This is

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Speaker 1: how much science has changed.

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Speaker 2: It goes through the same process of coaling.

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Speaker 1: The diamond into a diamond that it does underground, so

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Speaker 1: when they test it, it passes all the same test does.

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Speaker 1: So now you can get the same exact diamond as

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Speaker 1: you had before with no flaws, and it's going to

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Speaker 1: pass all of the diamond laser tests.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: I am not going to spend three thousand dollars when

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Speaker 1: I can spend three fifty. That's I'm just not going

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Speaker 1: to do it. I'm going to invest that money in

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Speaker 1: and creating a greater future. There's some days I walk

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Speaker 1: around and Kate don't got her ring on. K lost

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Speaker 1: to tennants bracelet that I bought her, and she was

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Speaker 1: so devastrated, crying and I said, it's a thing, and

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Speaker 1: it's a thing like we have each other, like these

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Speaker 1: things are going to come and go. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, good luck to y'all with the wedding planning and

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Speaker 3: starting your life together. That's awesome.

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Speaker 7: All right, y'all.

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Speaker 3: If you want to be featured as one of our

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Speaker 3: listener letters, email us at the Ellis's Advice. Well, the

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Speaker 3: Ellis Advice at gmail dot com. Spell that out.

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go in to a moment of truth time.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about black excellence and black power, black excellence

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Speaker 3: versus black power. What is our final round out with

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Speaker 3: this conversation? Take us away, trip.

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Speaker 6: I think the four election is a great example about

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Speaker 6: how what matters black excellence or black power because other

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Speaker 6: people that you might be trying to be like in

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Speaker 6: the name of excellence, they don't even want the life

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Speaker 6: that you want.

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Speaker 7: They don't want none of the shit.

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Speaker 6: So do everything that you do excellently and for the collective,

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Speaker 6: for your people so we can all make it to

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Speaker 6: the other side unscathed.

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Speaker 7: Amen.

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Speaker 3: Amen, Mommy, I don't think we need no more moments

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Speaker 3: of truth. Child. That was a blank it statement for everybody.

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Speaker 3: If but go ahead and they let me speak for

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Speaker 3: you for.

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Speaker 4: Me, simple, let your light shine.

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Speaker 1: That's the only way black excellents happen.

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Speaker 4: Love that, but you got, Josh, I think black excellence

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Speaker 4: cannot exist without black power.

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Speaker 3: Love that for you. Just always remember the black power

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Speaker 3: portion of it is a verb. It's a movement, and

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Speaker 3: by way of movement, we attain something that, like Triple

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Speaker 3: told us, with black excellence is something that we as

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Speaker 3: individuals can feel. So know that one has to work

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Speaker 3: with the other simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: Your mine is easy. Black excellences in ideology, black powers

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Speaker 1: an action item. Get out there and do stuff. Be powerful.

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