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Speaker 1: Previously on Number one Dad.

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Speaker 2: It may have been the greatest scam for a sports fan.

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Speaker 2: Posing as a Sports Illustrated Kids reporter with your dad

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Speaker 2: and getting into all the games, not to mention the

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Speaker 2: locker rooms.

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Speaker 3: It didn't matter where we were. He would turn himself

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Speaker 3: into whatever character he needed to be. We could walk

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Speaker 3: into a Greek restaurant and all of a sudden, he'd

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Speaker 4: He speaks French, and you know who knew His personality

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Speaker 2: He had met Obama, but the way he would explain

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Speaker 5: There were moments where Manny would assume the role of

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Speaker 5: undercover police officer.

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Speaker 6: He actually represented me in quotations, represented me. He's posing

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Speaker 6: as my attorney in a court.

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Speaker 1: You cannot control him.

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Speaker 3: Don't underestimate the power of what could happen.

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Speaker 7: You're giving me a boosebust man because yourself.

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Speaker 5: Just like I remember your dad.

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Speaker 6: He said, you're not gonna believe this, but Gary is

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Speaker 6: climbing up the ladder and America's got talented, and he

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Speaker 6: was happy.

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Speaker 5: He was proud. He used to love taking you to games.

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Speaker 6: Now how he got you to those games might have

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Speaker 6: been different than how you'll take Sullivan to see NHL.

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Speaker 5: Games or NBA games.

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Speaker 6: But the joy that you're gonna have with Sullivan is

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Speaker 6: the joy he had with you.

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Speaker 1: You go to any hockey games every once in a while. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I still like the garden.

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Speaker 5: It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever gone back? No, have never gone back.

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Speaker 5: Last time it was with you, it was at the

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Speaker 8: He's left someone who's.

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Speaker 7: Ever Then.

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Speaker 1: I am on my way to New York City to

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Speaker 1: with my dad. I can't believe I just said that,

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Speaker 1: but he and I are going to see a Rangers

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Speaker 1: game together. We are going to be sitting together. That's

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Speaker 1: something we never did before. We have tickets. That's also

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Speaker 1: something that never happened before when we go to the garden.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, this podcast has brought up so many

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Speaker 1: different emotions, but going to this game, I feel brings

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Speaker 1: everything full circle. And this is something that meant so

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Speaker 1: much to me growing up, and it's one of my

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Speaker 1: my dad. I don't know how we'll actually feel when

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Speaker 1: I'm there, but I'm going to try and cherish this moment.

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Speaker 1: This is number one down. After I found parking, I

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Speaker 1: walked to the meeting spot and saw my father right

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Speaker 1: he had a big smile on his face. You're excited

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Speaker 8: I'm happy to be with you again.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't mean as much as Penny Komba youth.

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Speaker 8: Come over, I'll show my pass.

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Speaker 5: Heah, we got tickets.

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Speaker 1: We don't need a pass.

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Speaker 8: No, no, we got tickets.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they'll just.

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Speaker 1: We have actual access. We don't need to jump lines,

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Speaker 1: jump ropes, and everything is good. We got legitimate tickets

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's no fun when you come in legally.

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Speaker 1: My dad saying it's no fun to come in legally

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Speaker 1: is quintessential him. It was a quick, funny line for

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Speaker 1: he'd ever said. Breaking the rules for him was more

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Speaker 1: than a compulsion. It was a rush. My dad made

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Speaker 1: it a point in his life to always be at

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Speaker 1: the front of the line. In his mind, that's where

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Speaker 1: and it worked. Oh by the way, the line had

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Speaker 1: five people on it. As we approached the metal detectors,

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Speaker 8: Hey, how you doing. Okay, good, good to see you.

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Speaker 5: How are you.

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Speaker 1: Of course, my father had to walk through the metal

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Speaker 5: The step I got shirt, Darry just take this off

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Speaker 5: from me.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got here. That for the guys who

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Speaker 1: come through.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, just walk through.

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Speaker 1: Let's come to. Finally, after going in and out of

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Speaker 8: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: So what do you think about the security here? You

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Speaker 5: think it's good.

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Speaker 8: I think it's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's not like you brought in a bomb.

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Speaker 8: No, no, I didn't.

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Speaker 7: So you got to say hi to everybody. I let

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Speaker 7: everybody know the business.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, it's all the matter of confusing people. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: and that's how I get away with most of my bullshit.

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Speaker 6: I like to make my face know oh yeah, oh y am.

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Speaker 7: Well, I don't think that guy's forgetting you.

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Speaker 1: This is the stuff that used to drive me and

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Speaker 1: seeing as a kid. But after everything I've been through

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Speaker 1: doing this podcast, I've turned a corner. This is who

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Speaker 1: to try and enjoy it.

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Speaker 7: So when was the last time you were out the

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Speaker 8: I'm going to say probably about.

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Speaker 1: Six Yeah, ninety six, that's what I think it was

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Speaker 8: Well, my phone was ringing that think.

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Speaker 5: Hold on, I want.

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Speaker 8: What my problem?

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Speaker 5: Hello?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Hi, what's madam? I Tom goes to court tomorrow?

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Speaker 8: Uh huh okay, good night, bye bye. That's your uncle.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, what do you want?

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Speaker 8: Breaking my balls about what I sued somebody? Yeah? And uh,

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Speaker 8: you wanted to remind me they're going to court tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: Do I want to be there? Any answers? No, I

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Speaker 8: Yeah, i'msuing man right right.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy how when you're with my father, he never

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Speaker 1: It must be so exhausting for him that this is

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Speaker 1: how he's lived for decades. But I guess that's the

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Speaker 7: What are you think of the good seem.

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Speaker 5: Wonderful?

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Speaker 1: Remember where he sat during this ally coup or where

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Speaker 8: I was down there?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: And then you remember me walking out on the ice. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: No, I might even have pictures because I went out

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Speaker 8: If I have my camera, I'm taking pictures. That's kind

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Speaker 8: of how you remember it. In the garden, there's so

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Speaker 5: It's really grand.

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Speaker 1: The reverence my father and I share for Madison Square

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Speaker 1: you instantly get goosebumps. As we sat in our seats,

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Speaker 6: Do you remember you were at the garden and you

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Speaker 6: went out and you came back and you had a

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna tell you. When you said where you were sitting,

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Speaker 7: because we would have sit together. I walked around and

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Speaker 7: And then the guy behind me a line. He's like,

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Speaker 7: he's like Presis Kett. It was Game one on the

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Speaker 7: Stanley Cup. I was walking around the garden by myself.

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Speaker 7: I know I got that that stuffed animal. How do

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Speaker 7: you remember that?

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Speaker 8: I remember a lot of things.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you came back and you said some guy

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Speaker 5: I don't want you to talk to strangers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you were letting me walk around the garden at

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Speaker 8: You were going to do whatever you wanted to do anyway.

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Speaker 1: I was definitely surprised to hear my father say he

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Speaker 1: ninety four. Even more shocking to me was him saying

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Speaker 5: What does a magician do.

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Speaker 6: He distracts you, right, you know that's what I did

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Speaker 5: I was distracting him the whole times.

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Speaker 1: He remember how my dad went in and out of

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Speaker 8: Don't go back.

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Speaker 6: It's something you dreams get on a plane with, or

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Speaker 1: The object my dad pulled out of his pocket was

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Speaker 1: a six inch switch blade. The whole time he was

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Speaker 1: with security, confuse them enough. They completely missed the knife.

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Speaker 5: Say look at this.

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Speaker 1: Oh shit, Yeah, he can't go on and play with that.

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Speaker 5: No, but I could get for his security. Yeah I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 6: No, it's how I present myself and want My plan is, yeah,

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Speaker 5: When I go home on the train, I have this

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Speaker 6: If somebody fucked with me, I'm going to stab him

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Speaker 6: in one place in the leg. And if and if

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Speaker 6: he's got his hands around my neck and I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: not maybe get out, I go right for the growin

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Speaker 6: right there. You know why, artery, the main order is there.

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Speaker 6: You cut that, I'll bleed to death. Quarter cops come

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Speaker 6: the guys, like.

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Speaker 7: I was just gonna ask your directions man stab me

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Speaker 7: the girl.

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Speaker 1: The puck was about to drop, and my father started

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Speaker 1: chatting up the two finance bros sitting next to us,

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Speaker 1: bragging about my celebrity status.

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Speaker 8: It's my son, he said, FAM's comedian. The last time

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Speaker 8: I brought him here, I going here to the Stanley.

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Speaker 8: All right, let them watch?

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Speaker 5: Why do you need to talk to that? Listen? And

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Speaker 8: Every day, if I don't scam something is a bad day.

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Speaker 1: What an insane way to live your life. But that's

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Speaker 1: my dad, following a path of honesty and integrity. Never

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Speaker 1: was of any interest to him.

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Speaker 5: Do you want me to try to make a fake

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Speaker 1: I don't think I need a fake idea, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm at a Ranger game with my dad. Oh boy, how.

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Speaker 4: Guy who only cares about the game? I was interesting.

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Speaker 4: Did he did he sneak in? Or did he?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the first thing he said, he was like,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like taking Danny Ocean to a casino just

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: Well is this at least enjoyable?

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Speaker 4: But it's got to be tough. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 1: Right. I never thought of it that way. Now I

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Speaker 5: Oh that was my intention.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like I sometimes it's like you're trying

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Speaker 8: No, it is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's all you can do, is you have

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Speaker 1: Right yeah. I mean, hey, don't get me wrong, I'd

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Speaker 4: We'll make it happen more and more Rangers games.

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Speaker 1: While I was on the phone with sam My, dad's

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Speaker 6: Yes, they're show in Vegas, Hamedy Sellar, Gary Veeter s

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Speaker 6: Stern loves him, Aliande, I gotta tell you you watched him,

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Speaker 6: you left your balls.

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Speaker 5: I guarantee it. I taught him everything he knows, right well.

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Speaker 6: I taught him is how to get into a game

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Speaker 5: That's what I taught him.

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Speaker 1: When I got back from the bathroom, I saw my

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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated scam. I didn't mind. My dad was truly

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Speaker 7: All right, Hey, hey, would you tell um he wrote

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Speaker 5: Show him this picture.

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Speaker 6: I wrote, Yeah, marilemil here, I don't walk around my

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Speaker 8: You know what slider hand is, right, I do slider mind.

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Speaker 5: That's him, and that's Nancy arrogant. I told you, he said.

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Speaker 7: Was there anybody we ever meant that you were happy

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Speaker 5: Michael Jordan? I thing, yeah, yeah, that.

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Speaker 8: Was pretty cool.

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Speaker 5: What did my mom think about us going to the game?

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Speaker 6: I think that mom knew that I was a good

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Speaker 6: con man, and she didn't want you to learn those things.

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Speaker 6: You have to understand something. Grandma and Grandpa went through

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Speaker 5: Believe me, you don't know half the ship that I've gotten.

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Speaker 5: A lot I can't talk about.

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Speaker 1: My father has been pretty forthcoming with everything I wanted

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Speaker 1: to know so far. But what are the things he

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Speaker 1: I already know? Since I started this podcast, I learned

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Speaker 1: his cons But what is he keeping secret? Did I

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Speaker 6: I'll never be another Gretzki, I don't think, huh.

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Speaker 7: I mean it's different.

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Speaker 1: They're really good players now, some guys are really good.

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Speaker 7: It's just a different era, you know. So it's like,

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Speaker 7: there's not gonna be another Michael Jordan. But Lebron James

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Speaker 5: I used to date Lebron James's attorney. Oh yeah, Denver.

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Speaker 1: My dad dated Lebron James's attorney. So if you're out there,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry you had to endure a date with my father,

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Speaker 1: and I hope when you went out for dinner he

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Speaker 7: Nobody ever was like, hey in fourteen old gotta throw it.

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Speaker 7: Throw you in the back of a trunk.

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Speaker 5: I saw you get.

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Speaker 7: Thrown out of the rest the sea.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, run out of the restaurant.

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Speaker 6: Well, I told the guy that was fucking glass and

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Speaker 6: a thing, and he told me, you don't like it,

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Speaker 6: get the fuck.

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Speaker 1: Out of you.

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Speaker 5: It's such a fuck you. And then.

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Speaker 6: Him and his brother both came out. His brother grabbed

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Speaker 5: Do is go after somebody's eyeballs.

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Speaker 6: If you stick your thumb in somebody's eye, it's very painful,

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Speaker 6: and if you do it right, you can pop it right.

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Speaker 5: Out and it I'll hang right here. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Not only am I reconnecting with my father, I'm also

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Speaker 1: learning this guy's got a real action hero fantasy thing

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna go to the bathroom.

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Speaker 5: I gotta.

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Speaker 1: Thankfully, after the goal, my dad went to the bathroom,

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Speaker 5: That's a babblehead. Oh you going? You paid?

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Speaker 8: You pay for this bobblehead?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 5: You crazy?

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Speaker 1: I'll give it the Sullivan.

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Speaker 5: That's where I want to give it.

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Speaker 1: You.

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Speaker 7: You know, I walked I walked by this, but I

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Speaker 5: Did you really think that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I did think.

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Speaker 6: I guess you were right, huh, yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 5: It's okay. Just think of all the money I saved

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 8: I'm happy for you.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm very proud of you.

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Speaker 8: I tell everybody about you.

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Speaker 1: Here my dad say he's proud of me while we're

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Speaker 5: There was a movie with Robert de Niro.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and he goes into a movie theater cape Fear

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Do you remember what he did in that movie.

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Speaker 5: There's somebody who's just laughing, right, yeah right. I was

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Speaker 5: I'm a psychotic, I know, but I was going to

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Speaker 8: Good time, great time, Thank you so much for I

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Speaker 7: Let you pay pretty cick hot about it.

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Speaker 1: At around ten o'clock after a Ranger's victory, my dad

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Speaker 1: at the most prestigious arena in the country. But looking back,

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Speaker 1: I would trade it all for a few games in

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Speaker 1: the nosebleeds if it meant I could have a regular dad.

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Speaker 1: I went into this podcast searching for who my father was,

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Speaker 1: and to find out whether or not in the twenty

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Speaker 1: four years since i'd seen him he change, Maybe he evolved,

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Speaker 1: reevaluated his past mistakes and charged a new path for himself. Well,

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Speaker 1: I could confidently say he hasn't. He's a bit older,

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Speaker 1: a bit slower, but he's still the same con man,

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Speaker 1: bullshitting his way through life. And it's taken me going

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Speaker 1: through this whole process to realize I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 1: It turns out I'm the one who changed. I've let

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Speaker 1: go of the anger, the hate, the resentment, or at

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Speaker 1: least enough of it for the two of us to

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Speaker 1: catch a game at the garden. If I'm being honest,

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what our relationship is going to

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Speaker 1: look like going forward, but I don't have any regrets

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Speaker 1: about seeing my father again. As the Great Michael Jordan

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Speaker 1: once said, it's better to shoot and miss than to

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Speaker 1: let time run out and wonder what if?

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Speaker 8: Well with a great game, man, Yeah, a good game. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: give me a call, don't make me wait. Twenty four years.

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Speaker 1: Number One Dad is a production of Radio Point, Big

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Speaker 1: Money Players Network and iHeart Podcasts. Created and hosted by

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Speaker 1: Gary Veter. Executive producers are Gary Veeter, Adam Lowett, Alex Bach,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Powell, Huston Snyder, Kenneth Slotnik, and Brian Stern. Written

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Speaker 1: by Gary Veeter and Adam Lowett, Produced by Bernie Kaminski.

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Speaker 1: Co producer is Taylor Kowalski, Edited and mixed by Ian

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Speaker 1: Sorrentino at Little Bear Audio. Recording Engineer is kat Iosa.

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Speaker 1: Original music by Andrew Gross Special thanks to Charlotte DeAnda.

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