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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. We have a special guest in the building.

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Speaker 1: to help them get their debt under control, and everybody's

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Speaker 1: going to be able to learn about their story from

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Speaker 1: a series Angela and I are doing with Wealth Wednesdays

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Speaker 1: called Credit Chronicles, which we're doing with an app called

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Speaker 1: self that I know a lot of people really wanted

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Speaker 1: to learn more about what helps you save money and

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Speaker 1: joined by Stacey P. So we got Stacey t and

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Speaker 1: Stacy P. And Stacy P is a financial well being

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Speaker 1: coach with Operation Hope, and Operation Hope is I think

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Speaker 1: the biggest financial empowerment organization in the world. They have

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Speaker 1: couple here that we have, Marcus and Tina. So clearly

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Speaker 1: to rebuild your credit. So there must be some financial

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