1 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: July twenty eighth, twenty twenty three. The Miami Marlins sit 2 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: at fifty five and forty eight. My name is Azigazouit 3 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fish Unfiltered as your host. I've always have 4 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 1: Kevin Brawl with me, and we were welcoming a very 5 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: special guest. He spent twenty years on the Marlins beat, 6 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: forty years as a professional journalist. Mister Joe Forsorrow, Joe, 7 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time. 8 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: How are you, sir? 9 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 3: Doing great? Guys? Thanks for having me this fun times 10 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: right now? 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're making your return a second time on Unfiltered, 12 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: and I guess we can start with just the twenty 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: twenty three season. 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: You and I spent a lot of time together. 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: It's been training and I don't think we had as 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: much hope for this ball club. 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: Entering the year. 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: They didn't do much on the offensive end or on 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: the story pitching in but look at them seven games 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: over in late July. 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: What went on? What went right? 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 3: Well? What went right was Luisa Riyas was hitting five 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: hundred the first month and four hundred pretty much ever since. 24 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: Jorge Celaire provided power and even though Sandy was faltering, 25 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: other starting pitchers stepped up, and I don't think the 26 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 3: bullpen gets enough credit for really stepping up and logging 27 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 3: a lot of innings. And I think what went right 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: was when the Marlins were getting hot early. The ones 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: everyone thought were going to just run away with it 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 3: all were terrible. The Mets are terrible. You know, the 31 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: Phillies got up to a bad start, but they're kind 32 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 3: of corrected it, you know. Then you look at you know, 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: the Cardinals are terrible. San Diego Padres are terrible. You know, 34 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 3: all these teams that in spring training, the Cardinals were 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: supposed to run away with the central. So I think 36 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: a lot of credit will will give to to Skip 37 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: Schumacher for instilling, you know, a confidence that go out, 38 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: play hard, see what we can do. But I don't 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: think anyone can really underestimate what Louis a Rise has 40 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 3: done for this team. When you're on base, you know, 41 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 3: half the time, you know or more, and you know, 42 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: just being this table setter, and then all of a sudden, 43 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 3: you know, you seize on that and you find yourself 44 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 3: in a really good spot at the All Star break, 45 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: and you built a cushion. So even though you stumbled 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 3: out of the gate in the second half, you still 47 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 3: are in a pretty decent spot because nobody else has 48 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: sees the moment either. So I think the Marlins have 49 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: kind of I also think the Marlins have figured out 50 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 3: the new rules a little bit better than some of 51 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: these other teams, meaning their style of play. I mean, 52 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. Yes, Sandy deserves all the credit for 53 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 3: the complete game the other day, but that was a 54 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: two to one game, and Garrett Hampsen is only in 55 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: the game because heesus Sanchez had. I hope he's fine, 56 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: but you know, he had this incident at first base, 57 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 3: and as soon as the Rays get momentum, Hampsen drops 58 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: this perfect bunt and it does two things. He beats 59 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: it out and he busts up Zach Efflyn's knee, so 60 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: they lose Efflyn he has a bad inning. Now is 61 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: a five to one game, and they're you know, the 62 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: Marlins are riding high. Eflyn's had the game. That was 63 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: maybe a crippling game for the Rays who are going 64 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: the other way right now. And just to mark just 65 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: little things like that that they do better than other teams. 66 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: I watch a lot. I watched like five games a 67 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: day and I watched these other teams in a similar 68 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: situation in a leadoff, double down or run with their 69 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: version of Garrett Hampson up and that guy strikes out 70 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: with three you know, home run swings instead of getting 71 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: a guy to third and trying to tie the game 72 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: and play it that way. And I think that Skip 73 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: is playing the game to the personnel he has, because 74 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: nothing really adds up for this when you're when you're 75 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: you know, Cy Young Award winner last year. Grantedy pitched 76 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: very well yesterday, but you know has had a down year, 77 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: and you know, some of the guys who are counting 78 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 3: on the middle of your lineup didn't necessarily come through. 79 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: And you know, meanwhile, you're right there, so uh, you know, 80 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: the other day against Tampa, the bottom of the order 81 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 3: saved the day. Jacob Stallings, who everyone writes off, he 82 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: had a couple of big hits and helped win the game. 83 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 3: And my guy, John Birdie just figures out how to 84 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: do things to win ball games. The problem with John 85 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: Birdie is the problem with a lot of the players, 86 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: like Joey Wendell. They're more role players, so the more 87 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: they're on the field, the more exposed. But you put 88 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: him in that three day a week start, they can 89 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: be very effective players for you. 90 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And you know what, like you said, 91 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: they added to some wins in the first out this season, 92 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: and because of that, they do sit pretty seven games 93 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: over five hundred four days ago, five days ago until 94 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: the Major League Baseball trade deadline last night. We were 95 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: all surprised, not too surprised, I guess they added a reliever, 96 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: but hey, David Robertson, arguably the best reliever available on 97 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: the market, was traded into Miami for two high upside 98 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: prospects and Ronald. 99 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: Hernandis and Marco Vargas. 100 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: In my opinion, see price for just two months of Robberson. 101 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: But it had to be done. 102 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: I am one hundred percent behind this because you know what, 103 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: that really solidifies the ninth inning for this scene that 104 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: has had some struggles with that ending the last few weeks. 105 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: Joe ore your initial reactions to this, to the swap. 106 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: Oh Actuly, no downside and yeah, so you know, I'll 107 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: take your word for it. How good these prospects are, 108 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 3: you know, but these this is this is when, now, 109 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: this is when, now you can worry about an eighteen 110 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: year old prospect you could go sign another international signing 111 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: and develop him because a lot of times with those prospects, 112 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 3: it's not just ability, it's development and what your system doing. 113 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 3: But you know, this was a must trade for Kim 114 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 3: Aang and the front office because as I allude to 115 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: my preamble is the players in the coaching staff did 116 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: their part to put themselves. If they did nothing then 117 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: and just say ride it out or make a rental, 118 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 3: that is really not that good of an impact guy. 119 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 3: You would demoralize your clubhouse, especially since the Phillies are 120 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 3: probably gonna they have something up their sleeve because theyve 121 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 3: nebrass g always does and some of these other potential contenders. 122 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 3: You needed to do this, and I love it. I 123 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 3: just wish they would have done it a little earlier. 124 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: That would be my knock on what they're doing. But 125 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 3: this is now. You know, forget what we thought or 126 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 3: you know, was this team overperforming? Is this sustainable? It 127 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: doesn't even matter anymore because we're dealing with today today. 128 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: They're what seven over and really just a half game 129 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: out whatever for a wild card spot. You've got to 130 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 3: go for it. And if if you don't, then what 131 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 3: was this about? You know? It was like you basically 132 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 3: gave Skip an edict to have the mantra to everything 133 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: you can to win today, win today, win today, win 134 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 3: the day. And you know, I've seen too many teams 135 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: worry about next year two years later, this guy after that. No, 136 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: this is this is the now, because there's been twenty years. 137 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: Let's be honest, it's been twenty years since they've had 138 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 3: a shot like this. Yeah, okay, In a few years back, 139 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: they were like, I think it was sixteen, they might 140 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: have been nine over on August first, and then they 141 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 3: really like it all kind of fell apart, and we 142 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: know what happened to Jose at the end of that season. Please, 143 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: Stanton got hurt in August. So you're still they're not 144 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: out of the woods. But this was a sign that 145 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: you know, now your bullpen, you put people in roles 146 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 3: and keep this in mind. Two guys, this team is 147 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: built to play close games, so you need if you're 148 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 3: going to go to the playoffs, you need more than 149 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: one closer. Well, right now they have three if you 150 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: think about it, counting you know, Tanner, Scott and aj 151 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: and and and David. You know, so you got you 152 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: got three guys that can hand that you feel comfortable 153 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: with pitching the ninth or if you're an extter innings 154 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: ninth and tenth, right, and and you needed to make 155 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: this move even though we all know they need hitting. 156 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 3: That's that's that's obvious, but they needed pitching mainly because 157 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: they're pitching is on fumes. So this will get guys 158 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: their second win, This will get put guys in better roles. 159 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 3: And even if they don't do anything else, this is 160 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 3: a significant move for them. If they don't do anything else, 161 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 3: then they're banking on Jazz and Garcia or whoever to 162 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 3: come off the il and and provide just enough and 163 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: hope Sandy's the innings eater and and and then run 164 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: it to the end. But this is a very significant move. 165 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: And and it also takes the Mets off the board, 166 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: because there was a time I thought the Mets could 167 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 3: make up six games coming out of the break or 168 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: seven games. Not now they're they're basically out of it. 169 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 3: So you take the Mets out of the picture, and 170 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: David Robertson doesn't go to one of the teams, You're 171 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 3: you're fighting for a wild card SPA with right, So 172 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: this is this is a very significant move and and 173 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: hats off. I don't really see any downside to it. 174 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 4: On top of that, I mean, yeah, you bring in 175 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 4: a guy who not only could log down ninth for you, 176 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 4: but someone who's done that at the highest point of 177 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 4: baseball in the World Series. 178 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 5: He won with I know, nine with the. 179 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 4: Yankees, he was with the Phillies, and he's not very 180 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 4: he knows, he's very familiar with the nleast he's pitched 181 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 4: with the with the Mets and the Phillies, and he's 182 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 4: done it a very high stages. So I really love 183 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 4: the move. I you know, obviously the prospects that they 184 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 4: gave up. I was a big fan of both Ronaldswit, 185 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 4: hitting guy, he was playing very well in the FC, 186 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: and then he had Marco Vargus, who I mean when 187 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 4: we were doing the top thirty list for fish On first, 188 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 4: we were expecting him to be the best hitting, the 189 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 4: best the top position player in our list come end 190 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 4: of season. 191 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 5: So that's how we thought of them. And obviously the 192 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 5: Mets get a. 193 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 4: Great return in my opinion, and I think Robertson's a 194 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 4: great piece to add you now give you know, you 195 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 4: could kind of put Puck in the seventh or eighth 196 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 4: if need be, And then you could put Robertson in 197 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 4: a nine, someone who's done this, you know, as in 198 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 4: the World Series. So I really like the movie. He 199 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 4: also has the cutter, so he could kind of help out. 200 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 4: I know this lizard and I'm throwing the cutter a 201 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 4: little bit more. I believe there's I believe it's Puck 202 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 4: as well, who throws the cutter or Yeah, so you know, 203 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 4: kind of get a nice mentor in that in there, 204 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 4: and in allbout that, you get Andrew Ardi coming back 205 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 4: very soon, probably on a Monday, so you add another 206 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 4: reliever there. 207 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 5: So not only kind of cool addition there via the injuries. 208 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 4: So Miami's bullpen maybe probably the best in the National 209 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 4: League East right now. I look at it. Atlanta obviously 210 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 4: they added their own pieces, but I mean Miami got 211 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 4: the best reliever on the market if Josh Hader is 212 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 4: not dealt that deadline. 213 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 5: So I love this thing. I love it. 214 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot to like. And and you 215 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: mentioned a good point, Kevin, and and this can't be 216 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: taken too lightly. David Robertson's performed in New York, He's 217 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 3: performed with pressure in a pressure environment. There's a lot 218 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: to be said about, you know, closers that close in 219 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: meaningful and winning seasons compared to some other rentals who 220 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 3: you don't know, you know they you know, you don't 221 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 3: know if a guy in a smaller market or hasn't 222 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: really been tested may have numbers. But you know, so again, 223 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: I a couple of weeks ago, I think I tweeted 224 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: something about, you know, they needed a reliever. You know, 225 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: I thought they needed to get another closer. For what 226 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 3: I kind of stated is when you're when you're gonna 227 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 3: be playing as many close and meaningful games, you need 228 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 3: your bullpen. Your bullpen. And yes, they have a ton 229 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,599 Speaker 3: of needs, but you know they need a bullpen to 230 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: be as strong as they can for any any shot 231 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: to to reach the postseason and advance in the postseason. 232 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like. 233 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: Kevin mentioned, sometimes the best additions are the internal ones. 234 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: You mentioned Andrew Nordi can off the al. But another 235 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: edition that was you know from the outside was for 236 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: he Lopez from the Minnesota Twins. Another trade with the 237 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: Minnesota Twins, this time Dylan Flora goes the other way. 238 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: Dylan Flora ended up spending three pretty solid seasons with 239 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: Miami kimming. You know, acchoired player for another one. 240 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: Joe Warrior thoughts. 241 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: On another Lopez coming to Miami. 242 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 3: Well, this is an interesting baseball trade because, make no mistake, 243 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: you know, David Robertson cushions this because Dylan Flora is 244 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 3: pretty dependable, Yeah, taking the ball under anything. You know, 245 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 3: if he had a bad outing, which all relievers do, 246 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 3: you got the most out of him. And he's very dependable, 247 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: and and and was used a lot. Lopez has upside. 248 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: The interesting thing is if the danger if you had 249 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: kept Flora and let's say August doesn't go too well 250 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: for the Marlins and you fall out of it. You know, 251 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 3: this kind of fall apart, but you were banking on 252 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 3: Flora and now you fall out of it in the 253 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 3: second in the final two months, you were going to 254 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: lose Flora. I'm sure they were thinking if they were sellers, 255 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 3: then Dylan Flora was going to be moved at the 256 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: trade deadline, you know, because he's heading free agency, so 257 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: you know, he's on an expiring contract. So it was 258 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: interesting the way they did this to get a year 259 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 3: of control in Lopez, a guy with you know, he's 260 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: got a good I guess a good like power sinker 261 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 3: type guy which plays at at loan depot. Uh, you know, 262 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 3: so that's good. You know, so that that was an 263 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 3: interesting baseball trade. You know, you sha, you saved a 264 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 3: little bit of money there, but you took on the 265 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: rest of David Robertson's salary, so you didn't, you know, 266 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: you you you've taken him. Credit to Bruce Sherman, he's 267 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 3: taken on money right now. So I like this a lot. 268 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: The way they did their bullpen boom. You know, you 269 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 3: got you, like you said, if he's arguably the best 270 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 3: you know, closer who's who was out there. And I 271 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: still am not convinced San Diego is gonna deal. Maybe 272 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 3: they are, obviously they move soda, they will be but uh, 273 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: you know, it's like it is, Uh, these are very 274 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: good moves. Those both moves were good. But you know 275 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: you mentioned Nardi. Marty pitched almost every game. He was 276 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: completely you know, I'm hopeful he comes back and mirrors. 277 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: But a lot of these younger guys who have been 278 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: leaned on heavily and they're coming back from injury, I 279 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 3: look at them as as kind of icing on the cake, 280 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: not you know, hopefully he's fine. But I'm not just thinking, oh, 281 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 3: you just plug and play like you did the first 282 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 3: half when he would go every every day he was up. 283 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: It seemed like because you know, the guy's dealing with 284 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: you know, now you're dealing with his future. He's in 285 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: uncharted waters and innings and all that other stuff. So 286 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: I think you got to be a little more guarded 287 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 3: with Andrew Norty and just hope that you know, you 288 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: could get quality innings down the stretch. He gives you more, 289 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 3: not great, but more fingers crossed that he that he 290 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 3: holds up than celebrating, oh my gosh, we got, you know, 291 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: yet another wipeout lefty type guy. 292 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 4: The interesting thing about the trade with Lopez, I mean 293 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 4: I was trying to look like I was. 294 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 5: Looking through stats. 295 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 4: I was looking into the splits, like is there something 296 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 4: this guy has done this season that kind of made 297 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 4: Miami make the trade, And really, to be honest with you, 298 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 4: there really wasn't. Because you look at era, you look 299 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 4: at fifth to fifth is almost out of six. I 300 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 4: believe that era is like five point something. I think 301 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 4: what what will help is obviously mel Stonham. I think 302 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 4: you bring in guy not only with another year of control, 303 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 4: as you mentioned Joe, but a guy who's been a 304 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 4: closer before with the Orioles. He's face the Yankees, He's 305 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: faced all these really good teams and a very competitive 306 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 4: Al East. 307 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 5: He was an All star last season. That's the one 308 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 5: thing we really do have to remember. 309 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 4: He was an All star pitcher for for the Orioles, 310 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: and hopefully you know in the picture front of the environment, 311 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 4: like Miami, this is somewhere that I guess you could 312 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 4: kind of lower that b R, lower that fifth and 313 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 4: I think it's a nice edition by Miami dam Flora. 314 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 4: You can definitely make the case he was getting a 315 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 4: little bit unlucky, especially throughout the Sex since you know, 316 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 4: after his first month of April, you look at you know, 317 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 4: stats and Dylan Floro's I believe his FIP was like 318 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 4: a two point for something was pretty damn low. And 319 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 4: that's where you kind of like, you know, training the 320 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 4: expiring deal for for kind of another contract there and 321 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 4: a guy that could lock you innings and especially in 322 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 4: high leverage situations. I know Lopez is very well known 323 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 4: for that, especially last season with the Orioles when he. 324 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 5: Was there, and you get a guy who either is 325 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 5: gonna really lock it. 326 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 4: Down for you in high leverage or he's gonna ship 327 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 4: the bed, as we could say here, And I think 328 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 4: that's how it kind of goes with with Lopez. 329 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 5: I don't know if you want to add anything nicer. 330 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting, Oh, I find an interesting coast to 331 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: twins are like in first place, it's like, yeah, you 332 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 3: know what I mean it was. It's it's like such 333 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 3: a weird GA, why are you making big league for 334 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: big league? Because it's kind of a wash. I mean 335 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: you can make arguments both, but you know, so it's 336 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 3: it's interesting in that regard. I think there's a backstory. 337 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: I'll tell you guys at the ballpark later. There's some 338 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 3: other stuff going on. 339 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, because that twenty two season that he was an 340 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: All Star, it seems to be easily by far, the 341 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: greatest season of his career and the rest of them 342 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: just haven't been as great. It was a year that 343 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: he struck out more than about our an inning and 344 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: he just hasn't been able to do that consistently. Obviously 345 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: this year. All the stuff is still there from what 346 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: we've seen, But if you look at that, you know, 347 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: savant page of his it's a lot more and as 348 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: our great Louis Adio Weiss did a good job diving 349 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: into Dylan Flora is an extremely unlucky pitcher and who 350 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: was really really just a dependable guy. 351 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 3: Like Joe said, but yeah, you trust him, You trust Flora. 352 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean he comes through every time, but you 353 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: trust him exactly. 354 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: But all I think in great three years for Dylan 355 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: Flora with the Marlins organization, and yeah, he pitched a 356 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: lot of meaningful games and made a lot. I think 357 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: it was thirty seven total saves if I remember from 358 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: last night' Jeopardy. 359 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 2: So all in all, thank you doing Flora. 360 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: And another rumor that surfaced last night before cast, sometime 361 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: I got dealt to Milwaukee. H there was a rumor 362 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: that Miami was one of the final teams interested in 363 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: this player, which you know, I think we all agree 364 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: to fishal first. It was a very weird fit as 365 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: considering he's first base only at this stage of his career, 366 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: you have Garry Cooper, Julie Gariel really splitting time there 367 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: at this stage. 368 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 2: Joe, what do you make of that? 369 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: What have you heard regarding first base and players like 370 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: Santana and kind of la etcetera. 371 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 3: There's stuff I'm not at liberty to say, but I'm 372 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 3: gonna just tell you, guys, they are looking at a 373 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 3: lot a lot of players, as all these teams are, 374 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 3: but they're looking at a lot a lot of players 375 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 3: that would surprise you. And their big name in both leagues, 376 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 3: you know, so they've they've had their it doesn't And 377 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: to be honest, I I don't think they're gonna have 378 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: Tim Anderson. That doesn't mean but but I will throw this. 379 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 3: I would go after Luis Robert if I were them, 380 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 3: and and this is an interesting one because I to 381 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: moving forward now that they got a reliever. Obviously they're 382 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 3: they're also looking at a ton of like starting pitching 383 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: like that they think is attainable. And you know Detroit 384 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 3: as a couple of them, I don't think you're going 385 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: to see him in the Marlins series, but you know, 386 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: I think the usual suspects are pretty widely known that 387 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 3: could be moved. I think at Jordan Montgomery could be 388 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: someone the Marlins could be interested in as well. But 389 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 3: from from a hitting standpoint, to attain this, I don't 390 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 3: see how the Martins are going to do it unless 391 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 3: they trade off their big league roster, which raises this 392 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 3: and I'm not advocating this because he's one of my 393 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 3: favorite players, but where's Jazz's future with this team or 394 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 3: where's his position right now? You know, he hasn't been 395 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 3: on the field. They've been pretty much winning, and center 396 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 3: field is not you know, we've spoke about that. I 397 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 3: wasn't crazy about him going there. And Luisa Rise is 398 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: the second basement and it doesn't look like Jazz is 399 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:09,719 Speaker 3: the shortstop. Would you do a package that move Jazz 400 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 3: for Luis Robert? And this is just for entertainment purposes. 401 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 3: It's not anything I heard, And if Jazz is listening, 402 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily condoning. I'm just putting. If I'm a 403 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: GM and I'm looking at all angles, do you move 404 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 3: a Jazz you know, for you know, a piece that 405 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: you know you feel is a better fit for that position. 406 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: And another guy too, you almost have to ask yourself. 407 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 3: You know, Garrek Cooper is on an expiring contract and 408 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 3: is you know, he hasn't been on the field as consistently. 409 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: So if you're looking at you know, Carlos Santana and 410 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: there are others they were looking at that play first 411 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 3: base as well, are you ready to move let's say, Coop, 412 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 3: you know, for maybe a rental for a rental type thing, 413 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 3: a guy that plays another position. These are just what 414 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 3: I think has to be going on. These conversations have 415 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 3: to be going on because the Marlins farm system isn't great. 416 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 3: The fact that they traded at the lower levels isn't 417 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: surprising to me because that seems to be where they 418 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 3: got some players, and those are also the furthest away 419 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: for a regime that's in a win now mode. So 420 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 3: you're not really Jake Eater. We like to throw the 421 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 3: name around, but he's coming off TJ surgery and I 422 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 3: like him a lot. But they're still I don't think 423 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 3: you're necessarily gonna get Maybe they do, you know, again, 424 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 3: a lot can happen between now in August one. But 425 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 3: I think that you have to look at two avenues, 426 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 3: and they just did the lower levels, the real lower 427 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 3: levels to get robertson. Do they move off the big 428 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 3: league roster for something that you know gets them in 429 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: immediate help, but in the process you're moving somebody. So 430 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 3: just your thought on that, guys. 431 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I will say with Cooper, I've always 432 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 4: since the start of the season. I told myself, Man, 433 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 4: I mean, if if they're in it, well they really 434 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 4: trade Cooper. But and then I told and I was 435 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 4: telling Isaac and Eli before, I was like, you know, 436 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 4: if they weren't it, I would see teams still calling 437 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 4: it on Cooper no matter what. Given the fact that 438 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 4: he's on the expiring deal, he's probably not going to 439 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 4: return to Miami. And you could probably find a better 440 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 4: first basement out there on the market. There's probably a 441 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 4: couple of guys and I can't think one of the 442 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 4: top of my head that are probably better than Garet 443 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 4: Cooper right now that you would like to bring in Miami. 444 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 4: And then the jazz point you make, you're not wrong. 445 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 4: I mean you're not wrong at all on that one. 446 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 4: I think you're completely right. But I think, yeah, if 447 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 4: you're if you're able to get someone like Louis Lewis 448 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 4: Robert as you mentioned, Joe Man, I think you do 449 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 4: consider giving up jazz because you would bring in a 450 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 4: guy who's probably one of the al MVP contenders. Obviously 451 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 4: it's gonna be show hey, but you know, one of 452 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 4: the someone who's gonna get a lot of traction with votes, 453 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 4: and he's gonna finish probably in the top seven, top 454 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 4: five of them DP voting. That's the top play you 455 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 4: would bring in a fewture, you know, with Luis Robert 456 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 4: and someone who could also play center fields. 457 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 5: So I think that's how I see it. 458 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think everything has to be on the table, 459 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 3: and you know, it gets to your point, and I 460 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 3: get it. You guys do great legwork on these younger 461 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: guys and are really kind of getting a feel for them, 462 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 3: and that's all well and good, But I just don't, 463 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 3: you know, outside of Uri, there's really no untouchable in 464 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 3: this Obviously on the big league roscer. You're not moving 465 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 3: Sandy or anything. But but you're, you know, you're you 466 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: have to if you want to, if you want to 467 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: get there too, because right now what this might be 468 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 3: it this year, next year, let's say might be the window. 469 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: You know too, there's a lot on the line. Obviously 470 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 3: the Marlins were looking to capitalize on the World Baseball 471 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: Classic Classic. Uh, you know Kim's situation with the one 472 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 3: year and Ski's really two years, you know. So it's 473 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 3: like there's a lot of urgency to win now and 474 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 3: you can't let anything hold you back. It's you know 475 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: three wasn't supposed to be there, and I obviously covered that, 476 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 3: and it was like, oh, not supposed to be there. 477 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 3: And then the more you're looking, you're like, well, they're 478 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 3: not supposed to be there, but they're still there, and 479 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 3: you know, and then they they early on detected that. 480 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: And and this I'll give this quick story. We were 481 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: in uh Chicago playing the Cubs and a double header 482 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 3: and it was probably I think it was late June, 483 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 3: and and Carl Pavano's facing I believe Kerry Wood and 484 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 3: and beating him like two to one and going into 485 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 3: like the eighth inning ish and and Pavano's pitching great, 486 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: but he Jack sends him out for the eighth inning 487 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 3: when already he was pretty taxed. And it was like 488 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 3: one of those typical you know, like single double or 489 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: Aramis Ramirez a double and a and a Moises a 490 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 3: Loo homer or something like that. Next thing, you know, 491 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 3: the Marlins are like down like four to three or 492 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 3: whatever the score was, and they lose the game. And 493 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 3: I asked Jack afterward about well Pavano I was like, Jack, 494 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 3: I mean, Pavana was already kind of you know, your 495 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: thoughts on sending him out for the eighth inning and 496 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 3: he goes, he goes. He didn't say he said it 497 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 3: to like making a statement. He wasn't yelling at me 498 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 3: for asking the question. He said, he said, I felt 499 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 3: Pavano at seventy percent, whatever the percentage he thought he 500 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: was at that point of the game, was better than 501 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 3: my bullpen, my best bullpen piece. So he felt seventy 502 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 3: percent of Pavano was worth going with over Well what 503 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 3: Jack Well, maybe he intentionally did, but what he basically 504 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 3: said was they had lup Braydon Lupre as the closer, 505 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: and within before I think it was July third, they 506 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: traded for Uga Sabina, and they made the move early, 507 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 3: and Urbina was clearly a rental, but the top reliever 508 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 3: on the market, and all the big names were in 509 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 3: on Urbina. And yes they got rid of Adrian Gonzalez, 510 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: who had a very good career, but they won the 511 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 3: World Series. And I'm not sure there's lone depot park 512 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: if the Marlins don't win that second World Series. I 513 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,479 Speaker 3: really if that was a transformational because the Marlins were 514 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 3: looking for a stadium at that time, and we're always 515 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: using we won the World Series in ninety seven and 516 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: then you know, elected officials could be like fluky air, 517 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 3: but now they had two right two with two different ownerships, 518 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 3: and you could say this is what it can look like. 519 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 3: So if you're gonna build fans, if you're gonna kind 520 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 3: of make August in September and bumpheads with football, this 521 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 3: is the year to do it. And so I you know, 522 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: if you got to move somebody off that big league 523 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 3: roster to get you that piece, you gotta think about it. 524 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 3: You can't just play for twenty four twenty five because 525 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 3: we don't know what it's going to look like in 526 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 3: twenty four twenty five. 527 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the funny thing is you mentioned jazz chism, 528 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: and you're not the first person to mention jazz Chisholm 529 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: impossible trade scenarios, and I think the team has to 530 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: consider it. I don't think the team is now with 531 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: the way this player. 532 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 2: Has gone the last three years. Obviously, he's been hurt 533 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: a lot. 534 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: Of the time, and there's been a couple of big 535 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: names out there in the major leagues. Are some of 536 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: the padres, some of the white socks that you just mentioned, 537 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: Louce Robert that you know Jazz would have to be 538 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: probably the centerpiece, and if I'm to Morrows, I think 539 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: you gotta do. This player has shown an inability to 540 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: stay on the field, and I guess I think sometimes 541 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: it lets it gets to his head a little bit. 542 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 2: I don't know your thoughts on this particular player. 543 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: Joe jazz Is. He's one of the most unique players 544 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 3: I've ever covered, and I like him in so many ways, 545 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 3: and even at the I love Zack Gowan, I love 546 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 3: jazz Chisen. I feel I have a good rapport with 547 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: both both players, and and it's just a very It 548 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: was an interesting trade then and now it's like, look, 549 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 3: can the s guy's a limit with him? There's no 550 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 3: doubt his his talent is immense. I love his confidence 551 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 3: and and everything that that he that he brings to 552 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 3: the table. I feel right now, and I'm making this 553 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: claim mainly because I don't know where his position is, 554 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 3: because his position was second base. He wasn't started, voted 555 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 3: as a starting all start second basement. But you've got 556 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 3: Luis a Rise who shouldn't be at first. He's fine 557 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 3: at second. So it's like, what did they do? And 558 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 3: you don't just say, okay, now you're in my shortstop 559 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 3: you know, why should do that this year? You know, 560 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,239 Speaker 3: however it went down. You know their versions will take 561 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 3: everyone's word for it, but they really didn't address center field. 562 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: And then at the last minute, Jazz says he'll play it, 563 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: and now was the turf toe. Look, you guys get hurt. 564 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 3: But when you're not a familiar, when you don't have 565 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 3: all the years and all the reps, they're a center 566 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 3: fielders get accustomed to how many stebs to feel with 567 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 3: for the ballpark, when they can slow down, when they 568 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 3: you know, when when are you just going to fly 569 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 3: into the wall trying to make a heroic play? All 570 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: that stuff, all the instincts that go into play in 571 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 3: the position. This is the big leagues. It's not just 572 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 3: you know you're you're on a high school field or 573 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 3: college field. This is you want to win. You know 574 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 3: you again, I again, I wasn't a big fan of 575 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 3: that move, And hats off to Jazz for doing it. 576 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 3: And right now it's it's not about even second guessing. 577 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 3: It is where does Jazz come back to play? 578 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: Right? 579 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: And you have and Avid Garcia, I don't know where 580 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: you have Briana La Cruz probably one of your most 581 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: consistent hitters. You have Jesus Sanchez who just really seems 582 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: to come up with that big hit most of the time. 583 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: I don't know where you fit all these guys. 584 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: There really is no way, especially without giving someone away 585 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: from your major league roster. 586 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: They don't all fit. And I don't don't know what 587 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:42,959 Speaker 2: you guys would do about it. 588 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: What what? 589 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 5: What did it surprise you guys? 590 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 4: If Miami traded an outfield, maybe de la Cruz, and 591 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 4: you sell high. I think we're talking about this, Isaac. 592 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 4: You sell high on de la Cruz and you bring 593 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 4: in another big bat into the order. I mean, Avi 594 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 4: Garcia's not a big deal, and he's gonna have to 595 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 4: come back pretty soon. And you could probably send down 596 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 4: Hampson and put back Jazz in the lineup at about center. 597 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: Well, that would be obviously Kevin that yeah, that's where 598 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 3: he would go. But it is at the best fit, 599 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 600 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: Well, I guess until these guys do come back, we 601 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: won't have to worry about it too much. Jazz hasn't 602 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: started to rehab something yet, but I guess he's on 603 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: the cuss of returning. 604 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 2: He might be even in the clubhouse today. 605 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: We don't know, well, Kevin and I will know when 606 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: we arrive around two thirty three Biggel Carberra press conference. 607 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: The other part of the team that I think, you know, 608 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: it needs to be upgrade is the starting pitching. The 609 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: Equator did come back and give them six miraculous sittings 610 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: that I think, against all odds, he did that. Joe, 611 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on starting pitching? They did do 612 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: these two bullpen moves, they haven't Alady came back. 613 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll get to that in a second, But I 614 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 3: do want to say that the name and I'm really 615 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 3: surprised he isn't here yet and meaning that they didn't 616 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 3: pull the trade off because you guys have thrown it out. 617 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: But the Candelarrio trade with Washing, you know, his name 618 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 3: had been at the forefront for a while and there 619 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 3: were some people that were thinking that trade was going 620 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 3: to happen three weeks ago. So keep an eye on that, 621 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 3: you know, for for third base. So, uh, that would 622 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 3: be something I didn't want to, you know, lead the 623 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: podcast out noting that, uh, starting pitching. Uh. Yeah, it's 624 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 3: really fascinating because Edward Cabrera is a wild card right now. Ye, 625 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 3: this is really what complicates it for the Marlins because 626 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 3: you know, hats off to Johnny Quato, to being a 627 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 3: veteran he is to do what he what he's done. 628 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: Uh And you know, I know it's only a couple 629 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 3: of appearances, but you know, if Cabrera is going to 630 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 3: be two three innings in the blister, is the shoulder 631 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 3: completely right? It really puts them in that mine that 632 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 3: they're you know, that's where you know why they as 633 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 3: much as they need a bat, you know that they 634 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 3: need an arm. But I could flip it again too. 635 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 3: What if you move Jazz for a you know, controllable 636 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 3: starting pitching. You know you could do him as as well. 637 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 3: You know, it's uh, it could be. It could all 638 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 3: go into there. So I think you you they've kind 639 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 3: of are making normally at the trade deadline, you're one 640 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 3: thing away. You know, you're not normally. But we need 641 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 3: a short stop still, we need a center fielders still, 642 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 3: we need their basement first basement catcher, a starting pitcher. 643 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 3: You know, that's when you ask me what went right? 644 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 3: You know, it's like there's nothing really that adds up 645 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 3: that they're there. So you don't usually do your entire 646 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 3: off season needs at the trade deadline. You know, usually 647 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 3: you get that one guy or two guys and that's it. 648 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 3: So uh yeah, I mean, like I mentioned Montgomery, I 649 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 3: think you'd be a good fit. But there there were others. 650 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 3: There are others out there as well. You know, you 651 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 3: want to go to the rental route or you're gonna 652 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 3: if you want controllable that's the point. If you want 653 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 3: a controllable guy, then I think that's where you're looking at. 654 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 3: Throwing Jazz's name in the in the hat. It's is 655 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 3: the control of certainly it's not the rentals. 656 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 4: Do you think this current rotation and obviously we we 657 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 4: could even add Yuri in there at some point. I mean, 658 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 4: I guess replacing Quait already. Do you think it's the 659 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 4: stintable what they could do with this current rotation right now? 660 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 3: I mean they just having a lot these innings, Kevin. 661 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 3: That's the thing. There's no real track. You know, they 662 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: trade to Pablo gave them a lot of innings last 663 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 3: year for Pablo, and this isn't Pablo like leading American 664 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 3: League in strikeouts or something. It's you know, it's it's 665 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 3: this is where as much as I love having Luisa rise. 666 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 3: This is where that hurt. And this is my apprehension 667 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 3: about making those kind of trades. And just assuming we 668 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 3: got pitching surplus, they're pitching surplus. Uh. And again, Yuri, 669 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have sent them down, to be honest with you, now, 670 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 3: I didn't. I'm not looking at I'm not looking at 671 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 3: all the service time and I don't want to be 672 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 3: that cynical. But you know, I haven't read the CBA 673 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 3: as closely as I would have if I've still day 674 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 3: to day. But I then the issue isn't that Uri 675 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 3: and at some point have to be monitored or certainly 676 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 3: have his innings herved I just says, I'm I think 677 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 3: you create more risk for injury by taking players off 678 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 3: of a routine and making up a completely different one. 679 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 3: You could have done a lot of different things with is. 680 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 3: Riding him out there and and just you know, if 681 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 3: he gives you, we could say innings, but he we've 682 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 3: seen him have seven pitch innings, you know, So if 683 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 3: he's not having a stressful inning, ride him out there. Yeah, 684 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 3: after four innings, okay, he's out of the game. But 685 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 3: I and then if it's mid August, well then Urie 686 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 3: helped take you to the that spot in mid August 687 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 3: and then you hit the number. Because I still think 688 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 3: a lot of these numbers are are pretty much just 689 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 3: made up, you know, they're they're just based on well 690 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 3: similar type guys, almost like the arbitration process. Your salary 691 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 3: is based on what somebody else did before. You know, 692 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 3: you know, you're a similar comp But that doesn't mean 693 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 3: if you're completely healthy and showing no signs of fatigue 694 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 3: and you're dominating big league hitters, what's a forty five 695 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 3: pitch performance three weeks later at double A do for 696 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 3: you exactly? You know? 697 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think you could even you know, if 698 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 4: you really do want to limit Urie, you could still 699 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 4: phone him up with someone like Johnny Quid or Edward 700 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 4: Caburrow where you start with mega thing, go, yeah, that's 701 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 4: what they should be doing. And and you know, I 702 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 4: think Isaac Eli and I all disagreed that they that 703 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 4: to call him down, to send him down. 704 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 5: They shouldn't have done that at all. 705 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 4: And he didn't pitch for like two weeks, I'm pretty sure, 706 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 4: and now he goes like two winnings and a third. 707 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 4: I believe it was his last start, And yeah, it's 708 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 4: not going to help you right now. 709 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 3: No, And how does that help him? You know, it's 710 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 3: like you're just you're just you have some number that 711 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 3: I don't know if publicly they said it, sometimes I'll 712 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 3: tell you privately, you know, but is it one hundred 713 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 3: and forty innings? What? What's the number? You know, where's 714 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 3: this magic? He can't go any further than And I 715 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 3: disagree entirely that, oh my gosh, jury Perez coming out 716 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 3: of the bullpen in in October, well to do what 717 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 3: you know, you know, they can talk about Don Trell 718 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 3: did that No. Three, but he didn't do it well. 719 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 3: It wasn't great in the playoffs as a reliever. You know, 720 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 3: I think you have one pretty good outing against San 721 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 3: Francisco in the first round. But he wasn't like Don 722 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 3: Trell was a dominant, you know, reliever. You know, he 723 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 3: may have may have had one inning of work against 724 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 3: the Yankees or two winnings of work. 725 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 2: But. 726 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 3: You know, it's like you're messing with the guy's routine. 727 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 3: And again, I don't notice a guy who takes a 728 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 3: long time to warm him up. You can do opener 729 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 3: scenarios or you know, you could do that type of stuff. 730 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 3: And then I think people need to realize that differently 731 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 3: in an opener in a bullpen game. And that's exactly 732 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 3: what what Kevin was saying is you could pair him 733 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 3: up with with Cueto and have Quato be the bulk. 734 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:46,919 Speaker 5: Guy that day. 735 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 3: So if he's you know, if he has a five 736 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 3: pitch first inning, he gets the second, you know, you're 737 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 3: thirty pitches and maybe he takes you at two and 738 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 3: two thirds or whatever. You probably don't want to start 739 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 3: Quata started in any to come in the middle of 740 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 3: the inning. You probably want to start the inning. Uh, 741 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 3: and this, and then do it that way. There are ways, 742 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 3: there's a there's a twenty six man roster. Now you 743 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 3: know that you can figure this stuff out and keep 744 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 3: him on a schedule. That's not don't throw or whatever. 745 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 3: It's I get idea. It's and and trust me, it's 746 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 3: like the Marlins aren't the only team every pretty much 747 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 3: twenty nine other teams have done the same thing. But 748 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 3: I just say, it's like, why you just you're just 749 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 3: creating something too. If he does, If he if you 750 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 3: ran him out there and he got hurt, everyone be running, you, 751 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 3: you know, running out of town. But now if he 752 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 3: gets hurt, you'll get a pass because well, we try 753 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 3: to control his innings better instead of you know, and 754 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 3: maybe as the McKeon and me seeing you know, he 755 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 3: didn't he didn't act that way with with Don Trell 756 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 3: and three Bo Dontrell pitched until he got real tired 757 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 3: and fatigued and and and it wasn't just the same 758 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 3: at the end. But you know he'll take that World 759 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 3: Series ring, know, and Don Trelli's very happy having that. 760 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 3: So again, you ride this. We're putting the limits on 761 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 3: the kid. We're putting the limits on him. Who's to 762 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 3: say he can't put his own limits on himself? 763 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 2: Right? 764 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: Well, Joe, you tell me, did the team get a 765 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: pass in twenty fourteen when they were so so careful 766 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: with Jose in twenty thirteen, so careful, more careful than 767 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: I've ever seen a team be with a pitcher and 768 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: you gets somebody John anyway, twenty fourteen, do they get 769 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: a pass that year too? 770 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 3: Now that that just brought so much frustration to like 771 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 3: the Mike Redmonds of the world, because Redmond, on to me, 772 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 3: loses his job and he in thirteen had a baby 773 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 3: in the whole time, and then he's like he got 774 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 3: hurt anyway, you know, doing you know, and and why 775 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 3: does he get hurt? You know, when you're throwing that 776 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 3: many hard sliders and that nasty and throwing that hard 777 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 3: all the time, and guys get hurt. You just can't 778 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 3: predict it. You can't. You know. All I know is 779 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 3: if you're you could see red flags. You know, you 780 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 3: could see, is does your he look like he's tiring? 781 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 3: Does it is? There is there a dropping vlo is 782 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 3: he's is his arm slot dropping? There's so many signs 783 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 3: that tell you a guy is in trouble. As far 784 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 3: as I saw and heard yur he had showed none. 785 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 3: It's just a again which makes you think, you know, 786 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 3: is it a service time thing? But you know again 787 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 3: it's like if you're going to extend him anyway, you 788 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 3: know that that super two status really doesn't come in 789 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 3: a lot of times that doesn't come into play. But 790 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 3: you know, uh, I again, it's and it's just my opinion, 791 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 3: you know, I just think I've seen a lot of it, 792 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 3: and you know there are people I'm sure completely disagree, 793 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 3: but uh but I again, I I kind of had 794 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 3: that Johnny saying more injuries within activity than activity and 795 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 3: that doesn't mean recklessness, that doesn't mean you know, butchering 796 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 3: the guy keeping him out there for forty pitch inning 797 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 3: and and he's stressed out. There's so much I think 798 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 3: you could have done with a talent like Uri Perez 799 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 3: to keep them here and think of what again, I'm 800 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 3: anticipating what David Robertson brings, this new energy, you know, 801 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 3: because along the way in a season long season, you 802 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 3: need new energy players to come in and outsiders to 803 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 3: come in kind of pick you up for a little bit. 804 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 3: The spark with Uri going every fifth day and Sandy 805 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 3: being on track and hopefully and then it's like, okay, now, hey, 806 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 3: now that confidence. Now they're coming on the field and 807 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 3: the other team is looking like, yeah, we ain't scoring tonight, 808 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 3: you know. And so again it's like that stuff matters, 809 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 3: you know. There's a lot of psychological stuff that goes 810 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 3: on a baseball field when the players kind of know it. 811 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 3: And I just thought, again, I wouldn't have handled it 812 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 3: that way. But that's not to say what they did 813 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 3: was wrong, because twenty nine other teams probably would have 814 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 3: done the same thing. 815 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 5: Joe, I do want to ask about Condo Laara. I'm 816 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 5: glad you. 817 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 4: Mentioned it, because I believe the report is now that 818 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 4: they're shifting to Condo Laura after going for Carlos Santano. 819 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 5: Just what have you heard on that front? 820 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 4: And how much do you think Miami would have to 821 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 4: give up for someone like Condolario? Who I mean, when 822 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 4: you bring him in, you're gonna kind of you'll you 823 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 4: kind of I don't know. I wouldn't say platoon, but 824 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 4: it would give Jeans cigarettes some more rest. And I 825 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 4: believe Congdolorea could play first if need to be in 826 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,320 Speaker 4: if you do, just had to move on from someone 827 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,760 Speaker 4: like Garrett Cooper, but I would prefer at third out. 828 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 829 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 3: It's just most of the names, at least early on 830 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 3: that I've heard is is third base. You know, it's 831 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,919 Speaker 3: like they're looking at third base and and then they're 832 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 3: looking at other first basemen. So if he if he 833 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 3: and what he's hits left your switch hits. 834 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 2: Uh, you know, there's so many players. 835 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 3: Candelario switches switch hits. Yeah, yeah, so you get you 836 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 3: get a guy like that. He's got some pop, you know. 837 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,760 Speaker 3: So I think that his name has just been out 838 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 3: there and you just keep hearing it that, you know. 839 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 3: I think sometimes we tend to we hear something that 840 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 3: doesn't get done, and then like three weeks later, we 841 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 3: have fourteen other new rumors we're following, and then the 842 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 3: deal that gets done is the one that was in 843 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 3: the works three weeks ago. You know. So again, I 844 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 3: wouldn't be shocked if he's ultimately the move. Now what 845 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 3: do you give up for? But how much control does 846 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 3: he have? You know, one year deal? I believe you're 847 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 3: not giving up as much, you know, so you're you're 848 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 3: giving You're probably giving them an arm. You know, you're 849 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 3: probably giving them, you know, a double a arm, you know, 850 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 3: com mons Averde. 851 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: I guess the only the only worry with Miami is 852 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: that I'm sure every single contender that there is, and 853 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: there are a lot of them this year quote unquote, 854 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: that you know, would love to have this player. Does 855 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: Miami have enough assets to outbid all those other teams? 856 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 3: Yep? Yeah, I mean I wouldn't trade Monteverde, but you 857 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 3: know again, uh, I wouldn't trade him now. I hear 858 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 3: too much good about Yeah, and and this kid's pretty good. 859 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 3: He's lefty and he's really good, you know. Uh, but 860 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 3: you know, they're I don't know do you move? Do 861 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 3: you move? Eather and and somebody else? You know, you 862 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 3: could go that round, you know, you know, but again, 863 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 3: you know, we're talking rentals, but we're talking you know, 864 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 3: you're talking about potentially an opportunity to to have a 865 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 3: very very special transformational moment and you know, in the 866 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 3: in the future of this franchise, because what's the alternative 867 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 3: it all falls apart and then and everyone forgets about 868 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 3: him in September. You know that's you know that that's 869 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 3: not exactly we've I've lived through many of those. 870 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, like Carlowisle. 871 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, with with months of verdat Joe, you are you 872 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 4: a little surprised he's not up by now? I mean, 873 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 4: the guy has been dominant. I believe he was a 874 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 4: twenty eighteen draft pick. And now when they're promoting in 875 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 4: the Triple A, I believe this week and you know 876 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 4: they need arms, he really do. 877 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 3: Was he a little thing though? Didn't he have a 878 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 3: little He was in the futures game, right, you know, 879 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,439 Speaker 3: yeah he did. Was he a little sore or something 880 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 3: like that? It might have been. I thought he had. 881 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,839 Speaker 3: I thought he might have had something. I might be wrong, 882 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 3: But uh, you don't need a rush. That's the thing 883 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 3: I'm not you know, double A is fine. You know, 884 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 3: double A, triple A. It doesn't really matter to me. 885 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 3: You know, you're you're you're facing quality players. You're you're 886 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 3: again back to what I was saying, maybe you're you 887 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 3: like the you know what he's doing there, the environment, 888 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 3: you know whatever. Maybe you're trying to win a little bit. Uh, 889 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 3: and you have a chance to, you know, get some 890 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 3: people in the front in the farm system pay raises 891 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 3: because they win the division or whatever. 892 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:39,879 Speaker 5: Uh. 893 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot that goes into it, and 894 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 3: I don't think that I don't know, as far as 895 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 3: I've heard, they've done nothing. What I'd say anything I 896 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 3: would have done differently at Monte Verde. You know, I 897 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 3: just think he's fine, you know, just he's just gonna 898 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 3: need time. But once he gets there, I think he's 899 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:54,919 Speaker 3: gonna be pretty good. 900 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 5: Picture for them. 901 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:56,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 902 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,240 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna need a lot of valuable innings 903 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: late this season and you know, if so, maybe even 904 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: in the postseason. I think he's gonna be a really 905 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: valuable asset for this team. I think he's more valuable 906 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 1: to the Marlins than he would be a neat trade 907 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: to another team. 908 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 2: So I think that's the right way to go, Joe. 909 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: We want to finish up with you. We won't take 910 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: up too much of your time. Last thing we're gonna 911 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: ask you is, Hey, it's Miguel Cabrera Appreciation weekend. He 912 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: comes back to South Florida. 913 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 2: Uh. 914 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,759 Speaker 1: The first ballot Hall of Famer, no doubt about it. 915 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: Three thousand, hits, fives, already, fire doubles, and wow, probably 916 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: one of the best players that ever put on the 917 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: Marlins uniform. Joe, just you know, if you want to 918 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:41,720 Speaker 1: share your favorite memories of covering this player, and maybe. 919 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 3: He's the best, the best player to ever put the uniform. 920 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 3: I think. I think if you're just going to based 921 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 3: on war something like that, Stanton has been the greatest 922 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 3: marvel if you're gonna do what the accomplishment's home runs 923 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,760 Speaker 3: and all that other stuff. But but Mickey's the most talented, 924 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 3: It's arguably the most right talented right handed hitter of 925 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 3: the last It's two thousand, certainly. I mean, I know 926 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,760 Speaker 3: pool hosts and many Ramirez and you know Mike Trout 927 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 3: and all those, but this is Uh, in terms of 928 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 3: pure hitter man, He's the memories, you know, members seeing 929 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 3: him in spring training in two thousand and two, my 930 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 3: first year on the beat for MLB dot Com. And 931 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 3: then certainly the call up in O three, his first 932 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 3: hit being a walk off home run and extra innings. 933 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 3: I don't think people remember, but Jack hit him ninth. Yeah, 934 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 3: he was hitting ninth in the lineup that day. Other memories, 935 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,560 Speaker 3: uh uh, you know, obviously the World Series home run 936 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 3: off Roger Clemens. I will say something is what I 937 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 3: loved about Jack mckeeon Uh, the Marlins were playing at 938 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 3: Philly coming out of the All Star break and in 939 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 3: O three and and Miggy had a had a good series, 940 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,839 Speaker 3: and then Jim Tommey was with the Phillies that year 941 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 3: and the Marlins I think they lost two of three 942 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,399 Speaker 3: I think in that series and they had some bad luck. 943 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I'm getting my dates wrong. It might have 944 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 3: been in August and and Tomy had like some big 945 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 3: hits for Philly and the Marlins were scuffling a little bit. 946 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 3: And and then I said, you know right now, I said, 947 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 3: the Jack pregame just in their BS session after he 948 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 3: had talked and we were just talking. I was like, 949 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 3: it's like, you guys right now, you're not having what 950 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 3: Tomy has given you, that guy who's getting a big hit. 951 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 3: And then we go into Atlanta and Migey like hits 952 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 3: like some ex r inning game. He it's just really 953 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 3: clutched to run double or to run home or something 954 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 3: like that to ice the game and win at Turner Field, 955 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 3: a big, big game, you know, keep them afloat in 956 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,280 Speaker 3: the wild card standings. And mckeeon after the game goes cabre, 957 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 3: he's our Jim Tomey. It's like like he's giving me 958 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,919 Speaker 3: a little like a kudos or mentioned something about Tom, 959 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 3: and he kind of like gave me that little But 960 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 3: it was funny to hear McKee and say that. The 961 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,439 Speaker 3: other memory is when they're playing that several years later 962 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 3: at Baltimore when they tried to intentionally walk him in 963 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,920 Speaker 3: extra innings and he reached over and got a single 964 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 3: because the pitcher or whoever it was at the time, 965 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 3: didn't throw the pitch wide enough and maybe just with 966 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,319 Speaker 3: the most relaxed swing looked like a softball player, just 967 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 3: swatted it over to like the into the short center 968 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 3: field and knocked in the game winning hit. There's really 969 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 3: nothing he couldn't do with a baseball bat and just 970 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 3: you know, I said this after Jose Fernandez died that 971 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 3: of all the years up until that point, and maybe 972 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,680 Speaker 3: still true. I don't know if they were the two 973 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 3: players I covered as Marlin who I felt enjoyed playing 974 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,399 Speaker 3: baseball maybe more than anybody that I covered, where Jose 975 00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 3: Fernandez and Miguel Cabrera, they just loved playing baseball. Miguel 976 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 3: didn't care if he never wanted to come out of games. 977 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 3: He day games, after night games. You know, some days 978 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,440 Speaker 3: he was maybe drank a little too much night before, 979 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 3: but but you know, his love for baseball and and 980 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,759 Speaker 3: I think Luisa Rise has a lot of that. I 981 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 3: think Jazz has a lot of that. But you know, 982 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 3: just guys that just completely love playing baseball. And it's 983 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 3: great for him to be a Hall of Famer. You know, 984 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,160 Speaker 3: it's kind of what could have been if he had 985 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 3: stayed in Miami. Obviously, you know, there's a lot of 986 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,440 Speaker 3: people that knew when they traded him that they were 987 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 3: trading a whole of the future Hall of Famer And 988 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,560 Speaker 3: it was very hard day and obviously the trade didn't 989 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,799 Speaker 3: fan out, but having Miguel Cabrera come back here will 990 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,799 Speaker 3: be interesting to see how many people at there night 991 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 3: and the crowd reaction to him, which I'm sure it 992 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 3: would be special and just a special, you know, generational player, 993 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 3: and you know I'm proud to say. And by then 994 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 3: I'll have my ten years in the BBWA. I'll be 995 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 3: very happy to cast a vote for Miguel Cabrera as 996 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,359 Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer. I'm looking forward to that day. 997 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a very special place in all of our hearts. 998 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,759 Speaker 2: I can't wait to talk to him. 999 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: Apparently, you'd be a big press conference today around three pm. 1000 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,760 Speaker 2: Lone Deeper Parts, July twenty eighth, Kevin. 1001 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,440 Speaker 1: If there's not anything else on your end, I think 1002 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:22,959 Speaker 1: we can send this off. 1003 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we're good. Joe, thank you so much 1004 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,839 Speaker 4: for joining us. We'll see you at the ballpark very 1005 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 4: soon for to kick off Miguel Caburro weekend. Two days 1006 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 4: of ceremony. I believe they're not doing anything on Sunday, 1007 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 4: so for the ones watching, I believe this will drop 1008 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 4: on Saturday. If it drops on Friday, we'll get out 1009 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 4: to the ballpark Saturday to get out to the ballpark 1010 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,719 Speaker 4: Venezuelan Heritage Day as well on Saturday, So I highly 1011 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 4: recommend you all to go out there and should be 1012 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:45,960 Speaker 4: a good time. 1013 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, yes, thanks again, Joe join anything from you. 1014 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,320 Speaker 3: No, just you know, thanks for having me on, And 1015 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 3: kudos to you guys into Eli for doing you know, 1016 00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,360 Speaker 3: something on your own and trying to build something. I 1017 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,279 Speaker 3: have a lot of respect for that as someone now 1018 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 3: and the stage of my career as I'm building it 1019 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 3: at least two companies and it's not easy, uh, but 1020 00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,279 Speaker 3: it can be potentially very rewarding. So kudos to you 1021 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,239 Speaker 3: guys and all the best with the podcast. Thanks for 1022 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,160 Speaker 3: having me on, end up, see you guys later. 1023 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,480 Speaker 1: We appreciate It is Fish on first and it's man 1024 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,920 Speaker 1: on second. We just got to get someone on third. 1025 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:21,879 Speaker 2: Right 1026 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,120 Speaker 1: All righty for Keaven, for Joe, for Sorrow, for myself, 1027 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:49,400 Speaker 1: Thank you all and as always, go Fish