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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 2: Our colleague Nol is not here but will be returning shortly.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer, all mission control decand most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 4: You are here and.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to

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Speaker 3: know now. Longtime listeners, fellow conspiracy realist, over the years,

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Speaker 3: you may have clocked something that has occurred to Matt

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Speaker 3: and I as well. It seems as if every single

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Speaker 3: country across the planet has a few UFO or UAP stories.

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Speaker 3: In tonight's episode, we're heading over to the Southern Hemisphere. Hello,

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Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realists from Australia and all points south. Australia

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Speaker 3: is home to some of the most unique animals and

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Speaker 3: biomes on the planet. I mean, Matt, I believe it's

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Speaker 3: true that for both of us we've never been to

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Speaker 3: Australia physically, but we want to go. Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Ready? When you are Australia. Just send us a plane,

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Speaker 2: preferably a larger one than the one we're going to

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Speaker 2: be talking about today, and we'll get on it and

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Speaker 2: we'll fly to you.

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Speaker 3: We'll need a little more than the range of Assessna

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Speaker 3: for that one, or maybe just a lot of layovers.

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Speaker 3: Get pretty creative with where our crossings are. So Australia

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Speaker 3: is it turns out, also a hotbed of alleged UFO

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Speaker 3: activity and all all sorts of conspiratorial lore. It's home

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Speaker 3: to pine and gap. I think most famously that would

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Speaker 3: be the that would be the prominent conspiratorial subject on

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Speaker 3: the continent. But tonight's question is about a specific person,

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Speaker 3: a young man, a budding pilot named Frederick Valentiche. What

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Speaker 3: happened to him? Here are the facts. This kid was

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Speaker 3: going places. He was born on June ninth, nineteen fifty eight,

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Speaker 3: and for a lot of his life he was one

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Speaker 3: He had a dream, you know, and that's relatively noble

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Speaker 3: and rare, I would say a lot of people growing

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Speaker 2: Fits absolutely and often when you hear about truly remarkable

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Speaker 2: in some way, they share this thing that Frederick has,

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Speaker 2: where they're just driven by some unknown force from an

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at some point early in his life, young fred

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Speaker 3: He had a lifelong interest in all things aviation, all

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Speaker 3: aerial phenomena, and his father described him as a quote

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Speaker 3: my son was always watching movies about extraterrestrials. He would

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Speaker 3: kid was making scrapbooks. He was taking scissors and clipping

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Speaker 3: He joined theaf the Royal Australian Air Force Training Corps,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's something everybody knows, but I didn't realize

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well said, it's also pretty expensive in terms

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Speaker 3: They went and got their own pilot licenses. You can

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Speaker 2: I think personally, just for me, it was such an

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Speaker 2: Somebody who's going to fly for an airline, or like

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Speaker 2: Frederick is going to be a pilot for the military.

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Speaker 2: In some regard, you don't just get a pilot's license.

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Speaker 2: Oh dude, they're peppered all around this place.

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Speaker 3: They're just going to tax us so hard. Man.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's start a crowdfunding stuff. They don't want you

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Speaker 3: This this kid, and I think it is right to

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Speaker 3: You got to get a commercial driver's license a CDL.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just what type of vehicle are you? Are you?

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Speaker 2: I do like saying piloting. I'm going to think about

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Speaker 2: me piloting my camera? Now, WHOA. So let's talk about

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Speaker 2: the requirements. I'm just going to read this verbatim, Ben,

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Speaker 2: This is from the FAA. They require quote a minimum

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Speaker 2: correct Ben?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And let's just continue here. The average number of

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Speaker 3: Right yeah, and this in the US it breaks down

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the importance of integrated type of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is a practical skill, not an academic skill,

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Speaker 3: But in this situation, you can piecemeal things out and Matt,

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Speaker 3: I just looked at it. Here in Atlanta, one of

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Speaker 2: The young man.

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Speaker 3: He's a young guy. The year before our story takes place,

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Speaker 3: the weather was nice. What is referred to as visual

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Speaker 3: meteorological conditions. So this is not your guy for the typhoon.

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Speaker 3: This is not your guy for incredibly dangerous weather.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or really even flying through just heavily clouded weather right.

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Speaker 3: Right right, flying through a cloud could actually get him

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Speaker 3: So this story always held the interest of Sleuth's and ufologist,

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Speaker 3: So one of the first common things people ask is

436
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: he's going over water, right for part of this? What

437
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: if he's disoriented? What if he's flying upside down and

438
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 3: he somehow mistakes the lights of his own cessna as

439
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: the lights of a separate entity. He sees them reflecting

440
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: on water, on the surface of the water, and he

441
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: thinks that's a totally different thing. Similar to how some

442
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: animals might see themselves in a mirror and react aggressively

443
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 3: because they think they're being confronted by a different animal.

444
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: That's okay. So that's an initial thing, but there's some

445
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: problems with it. Right, First, we know the type of

446
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: sesities flying has what's called a gravity feed fuel system,

447
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: meaning that if he turned upside down and somehow he

448
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: was not aware he was upside down, I'm sorry, it's

449
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: all milkshake. He wouldn't have been able to fly like

450
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: this for very long at all. The engine would have sputtered,

451
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: it would have cut, and that concept of the engine cutting.

452
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: People who believed he was flying upside down they used

453
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: the end of the transcript as evidence for that. And

454
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 3: you know, some people also speculated that he had attempted

455
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: to take his own life. But there's so many problems

456
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: aside from the gravity fuel line. Everyone who knew him, family, friends, acquaintances,

457
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: none of them believed that suicide or self harm was

458
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: on the table. And there was an interesting thing we

459
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: found that again is contemporary. On October twenty fifth, a

460
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: paper interviews a guy named Arthur Shutt. Schutt head of

461
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: a private aviation company, and he says, he says the

462
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: quiet part out loud. He's very diplomatic about it and

463
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: beat me here, Paul. But what he's saying again very politely,

464
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: is how the would someone not know their upside down?

465
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't matter what kind of straps you got

466
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: on your aircraft. If you're flying upside upside down, you're

467
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: not the only thing that's upside down. It's everything else

468
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: inside the plane that's upside down, and things fall because

469
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: of that old gravity thing, and you'd notice stuff around

470
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: you just going funk.

471
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: Well, also, you're you would notice the change and the

472
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 3: passage of your blood. Right because he's at a low

473
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: enough altitude, Yeah, you know what I mean. The guy's

474
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: not in outer space. He's not nowhere near like the

475
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 3: bug limit or whatever. So it's there is a funny

476
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: historical bit there what our guy Arthur says. He says,

477
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: the carpet comes out of the floor, the butt's fall

478
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: out of the ash tray. And that took me a

479
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: second until I realized it's the seventies and it was

480
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: way more common for people to smoke on planes.

481
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: And put carpet on their planes too.

482
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: And put carpet the other planes too. So I guess

483
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: it's possible that he ended up upside down for a

484
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: very short amount of time, but it does not seem

485
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: likely that he would have continued without realizing what happened,

486
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: despite his relative greenness, his lack of experience. So I

487
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: think that leads us to inevitably conclude, you know, it's UFOs.

488
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: Well, let me say one more thing on that, because

489
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: I think even though he's an inexperienced he's young. He's

490
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: flying in the whatever the meteorological conditions he's supposed to

491
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: be flying in, he's allowed to fly. Then if he

492
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: was upside down and he was seeing that green light

493
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: from one of his wings right or his tail whatever,

494
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: tail light, whatever, the green light that he did report seeing,

495
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: if he's upside down and he's seeing that reflected in

496
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: the water, he's reporting to the FSU that it's a

497
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: thousand feet away from him. He's looking at his gauges

498
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: just a few moments before that, saying I'm at forty

499
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: five hundred feet and this light is a thousand feet away.

500
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 2: So he would have to be so disoriented to not

501
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: only be flying upside down and not know it, but

502
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: he wouldn't be able to tell that the light reflecting

503
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: in the water was actually, you know, thirty five hundred

504
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: feet away or further. So I don't know. To me,

505
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: it's just another it's another thing that tells me that

506
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: probably isn't what happened.

507
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, And ufologists love

508
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: this story. Right, there's no shortage of breathless claims going.

509
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: You know what really happened. Frederick was destroyed by aliens.

510
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: He was abducted by aliens. Think about it. You need

511
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: to think about the evidence, right.

512
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, can we clip that and just play that at

513
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: my funeral? Frederick was abducted by a car.

514
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: Okay, so right, I will make yet again a wonderful

515
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 3: impression on your family. So unfortunately, there's not a lot

516
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: of compelling evidence for the idea here the UFO theory.

517
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 3: Those reports that you mentioned, Matt, of the green light

518
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: that Frederick mentions the second time he describes light. You know,

519
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 3: at first he talks about these four bright lights, then

520
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 3: he talks about seeing this green light, this metallic sheen.

521
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: Eyewitness reports, if you do a cursory check, they appear

522
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: to back that up. But the green light aspect of

523
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 3: the report comes out after the transcript of his conversation

524
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 3: with Melbourne goes public, and after that eyewitness is asked

525
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: a couple of years later again like we see that,

526
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: we see so often things evolve, they change. People are

527
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: sort of crowdsourcing a narrative.

528
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: Right.

529
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: That's the reason why I've for a couple of decades

530
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 3: more and more people were in Dallas when JFK was shot. Right,

531
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: more and more people than the actual population of Dallas

532
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 3: were on that street somehow, and they super duper remember it.

533
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: I remember it, Bro, you were there, Yeah, well you

534
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 3: were actually you were there.

535
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally. We're not involved now. I was just

536
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: getting coffee with George bus It was. It was no

537
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: big deal.

538
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: I had to meet some folks down a hill. You

539
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: get in situations. But but right, so, okay, so we know,

540
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: the eyewitness thing kind of changes. Found this excellent, excellent

541
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: investigation over its skeptical inquirer co written by an author

542
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: named Joe Nicol with a pilot, a veteran and an

543
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: astronomer named James mcgaha, and they go hard on the paint.

544
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: They trace out the timeline. A witness on the ground

545
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: who described having seen a green light just above Valentinch's

546
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: plane had not mentioned that aspect of his story at

547
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: the time. However, many years later, after the green light

548
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: was made public, he did mention this detail, but he

549
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: is only identified by a pseudonym. The eyewitness story it

550
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: seems changed.

551
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh boy. All right, well, here's the part

552
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: that makes me a little sad but also excited about

553
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: the UFO thing. It does both for me, and its

554
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: details coming from Frederick's father about his enthusiasm around the

555
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: UFO subject, because remember we're talking nineteen seventies here. He

556
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: wasn't that old, born in the fifties, and Frederick was

557
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: really into UFOs reportedly, and his dad backs that up.

558
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: And this is a quote from that Skeptical Inquirer article

559
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 2: earlier that year. According to his father, Frederick had himself

560
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: observed a UFO moving away very fast, and he had

561
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: expressed to his father his worry about what could happen

562
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: if such presumed extraterrestrial craft should ever attack. So, when

563
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: we think about it, Frederick in his mind already had

564
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: this scenario, right, it existed there in his mind palace

565
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: before perhaps it actually occurred, or before something like it.

566
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: Occurred mind palace. I like it. I wasn't expecting a

567
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: mind palace today. Yeah, you're right, you're right, in a

568
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: in a real way. He had primed himself arguably, And

569
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: when you are a hammer. Everything looks like a nail,

570
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: you know, that's the tendency. And there's an additional wrinkle here.

571
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: We found several claims that Frederick wasn't entirely honest about

572
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: the purpose of his final flight. Earlier, we said, you know,

573
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: from the official report, he's going to go pick up

574
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: some friends, hence the life jackets, the life preservers. Other

575
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: sources say that's not true. He was going to go

576
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 3: pick up some crayfish. Turns out he, as far as

577
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 3: King Island is concerned, none of that's true because he

578
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: didn't bother following the sop standard operating procedure to inform

579
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: King Island of his intent to land. He told Melbourne

580
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: what he was doing, and I guess he was just gonna,

581
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: pardon the gallows humor, wing it over at King Island,

582
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 3: you know, get by on his charm and his wit.

583
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: Dude was just out there. And if this sounds mysterious,

584
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: we should also know it may be the result of

585
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: inexperience rather than conspiracy. Remember, you have failed the Air

586
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: Force exam multiple times. We alluded to this, but you

587
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: should also know before this flight he was involved in

588
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 3: three flying mishaps that got him on the wrong side

589
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: of the authorities. Once he got a warning because he

590
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 3: unknowingly strayed into restricted airspace, which people are very sensitive about.

591
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: And twice he was cited for purposely flying blindly into

592
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 3: a cloud, and at the time of his disappearance, this

593
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: very well still could have led to legal consequences because

594
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 3: flying blind into a cloud, what's in there? Another airplane?

595
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe a flock of geese. No, probably not, by.

596
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 3: The fight of seagulls, birds, balloons.

597
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 2: Birds are dangerous and if you're flying blindly into anything,

598
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: depending on how high up you are, it could be

599
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: really bad, really really.

600
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially in a smaller craft one.

601
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: And uh, the other thing I would just want to

602
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 2: point out here we mentioned the reason why he didn't

603
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: make it into the Australian Air Force was because of

604
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: educational deficiencies. That is an amorphous phrase, right, That could

605
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: mean a whole bunch of different things. But it could

606
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: mean lack of follow through on procedures, right, I mean,

607
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: it could mean that. That's speculation on my part, but

608
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: it could be a problem that he had, right he

609
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: would he knew the steps he needed to take, but

610
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: he didn't always follow all of them. Maybe or he

611
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: didn't remember all of the steps in any given moment.

612
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: Just a possibility, yeah, because again it's such a vague,

613
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: amorphous term. Anyway, the idea, like his less than spotless record,

614
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 3: his fascination with UFOs, et cetera, et cetera, These factors

615
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: lead multiple researchers to speculate he was actually flying out

616
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: not to meet people, not to pick up some fresh seafood,

617
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 3: which is a shame because that's great, but expressly to

618
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: look for UFOs. Whether or not that's the case, it

619
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: is possible that Frederick Valentich was psychologically primed to interpret

620
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: any anomalous activity, any unusual phenomenon he saw up there

621
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 3: as a UFO sighting, And if he felt he encountered

622
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: something like this, he would have likely become an inexperienced

623
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: pilot distracted by what he thought was a UFO sighting

624
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: and focusing entirely on that instead of, you know, keeping

625
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: the plane in the air, And that might have been

626
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: the problem. Unless there's another wrinkle, a bit of a

627
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 3: Shyamalan twist here. Unless he did it all on purpose

628
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: and like some people argue, faked his death. What are

629
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 3: we talking about. We'll tell you after a word from

630
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: our sponsors.

631
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Speaker 2: And we're back. Before we jump into the faking your

632
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,959
Speaker 2: death part, Ben just want to point out the adrenaline

633
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: that would be surging through his body if he truly

634
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: believed a UFO was above him, flying near him, flashing

635
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 2: lights at him, getting his attention, maybe even just hovering

636
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: or orbiting above his plane. I mean, it would have

637
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: for me if that was happening, it would have taken

638
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 2: over everything in my mind, at least if I.

639
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: Feel that absolutely, yeah, it would naturally, it would naturally

640
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: dominate your bandwidth, right.

641
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh chemically a visual even here, like I

642
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: can I can imagine, like I wouldn't be able to

643
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: focus on anything else but the concept that he possibly

644
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: did this entire thing, this entire flight, even getting a

645
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: pilot's licning. I I'm just really interested, what if he

646
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: did the whole thing to fake his death? Do we

647
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: have any evidence for this or why do we think this?

648
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: A lot of it is the interpretation, the preconceptions of

649
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: the people positing the theory, right, the idea that this

650
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 3: guy was on a long con to commit pseudo side,

651
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: and all pseudo side is a long con. And again

652
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 3: we're legally required to tell you. It is way more

653
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: difficult to do than you think. A lot of people

654
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 3: have problems with the two fundamental factors in any successful

655
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: pseudo side or faking of one's death. One don't try

656
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 3: to get money from your death. They'll find you. And two,

657
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: don't talk to anybody the old you really needs to

658
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: be dead as far as everyone you know is concerned.

659
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 3: That's how the majority of people get caught. If he

660
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 3: decided to disappear on purpose, then he would have had

661
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 3: to successfully followed through on those two things for decades,

662
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 3: you know, since the late nineteen seventies. We know that

663
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: the plane could have taken him somewhere else. Maybe, so

664
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 3: this is what theorists propose. They say, despite great weather,

665
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 3: the aircraft was never spotted on radar, so maybe it

666
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 3: never even made it to Cape outway. Maybe it was

667
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: going somewhere else the whole time. And additionally, Melbourne police

668
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 3: received reports of a mysterious unidentified light aircraft landing not

669
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: far from the Cape right around the time of the

670
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 3: guy's disappearance. And these these were not experts in the field,

671
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: so they wouldn't be able to say this is a cessna,

672
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 3: this is a, so and so they just said, we

673
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: know this is a small airplane. We don't know who

674
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: is piloting it, we don't know where it's from, but

675
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: we saw at land. We're calling the police. WHOA I mean? Okay,

676
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: that seems to kind of make sense until we fast

677
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: forward five years after the disappearance in nineteen seventy eight,

678
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 3: and we see that in nineteen eighty three, parts of

679
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: an aircraft wreckage with serial numbers with partially matching serial

680
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 3: numbers were found in a nearby strait, specifically, a component

681
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 3: of a plane called an engine cowl flap. It washed

682
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 3: ashore in a place called Finders Island, and in July

683
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 3: of nineteen eighty three, the Bureau of Air Safety Investigation

684
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 3: asked to outfit called the Royal Australian Navy the Research

685
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: Laboratory or ran RAN RAN rule. Okay, they asked rand

686
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: Rule about the likelihood that this cowl flap, this component

687
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: may have traveled to this ultimate position where it washed

688
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: ashore from the area where Frederick's aircraft disappeared. And those

689
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: serial numbers do partially match up. It's not absolutely conclusive,

690
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: but it's pretty convincing circumstantial evidence for a crash because

691
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 3: no other missing aircraft fit the bill in just this way.

692
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: This is easy to explain away. And this is something

693
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 2: Ala Peterson would advise you to do. That's a comedy

694
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: Bang Bang character played by Paula Twkins. You should listen

695
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: to Ala Peterson's stories. What if you did successfully land

696
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: that sesna, But it's not your sesna, You've just rented it.

697
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 2: So you need to land the plane to get yourself

698
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: to safety, to wherever it is you're going to escape to.

699
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: But that plane is evidence. What are you gonna do

700
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: with that plane? I know we're gonna destroy it. We're

701
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: gonna blow the sucker up, and we're gonna make sure

702
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: we do it. We put parts of it into the

703
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: ocean that would plausibly be where the airplane crash. My

704
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: dogs are real excited about this idea.

705
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: So you're raising a great point. You know, if someone

706
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 3: really did want to disappear, maybe they could destroy the plane.

707
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I'm joking, though, I mean it's possibly.

708
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: That's the thing. All of these are possible. Some are

709
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 3: more probable than others, but all of these are possible.

710
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 3: Let's end tonight with the most plausible current conclusion. Let's

711
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: let us practice to move the mind and picture our

712
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: pal Frederick distracted by a craft or phenomenon that he

713
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: cannot identify. For experienced pilots like our guys from Skeptical Inquerere,

714
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 3: this means that Frederick may have been deceived by what

715
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: it's called the quote illusion of a tilted horizon.

716
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 4: Not you.

717
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 3: Paul and I were talking about this a little bit

718
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: off air for us non pilots. How can we understand

719
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 3: this thing?

720
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: Well, the way Paul and I were talking about it

721
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: was with Microsoft flight simulator when we were kids.

722
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, I remember.

723
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: And we're just thinking about the heads up display you

724
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: get in that game of the horizon line right, and

725
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: it just lets you know your what is it your angle?

726
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: I was gonna say angle of attack, but that's not

727
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: what it is. It's the angle that your plane is

728
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: oriented to the horizon line. So are you going straight

729
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: right on that? Or are you tilted downwards toward the

730
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: earth or upwards away from the Earth. And if you

731
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: imagine on that sessna, he doesn't have a heads up display.

732
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 2: He's got a window that he can see out of,

733
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: and then he's got his instrumentation down below him or

734
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 2: around him. And if you just imagine that he's distracted

735
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: visually by stuff that's going on around him that you

736
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: can see out of his windows, maybe he's not looking

737
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: at that instrumentation that's letting him know how his plane

738
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: is oriented. And there's a weird thing that happens that

739
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 2: we didn't know about when Paul and I were discussing

740
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: it earlier. We didn't know this could even happen. Ben

741
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 2: that visually, you could think that you are flying with

742
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: the horizon like perfectly level, but you are not.

743
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: And then from that, from that misconception, that misperception, you

744
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 3: may attempt to adjust your flight right. You may think

745
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 3: you're flying level. You may be fly level and think

746
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 3: you're not flying level right, and so you attempt to

747
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 3: adjust to level your wings back to where they need

748
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: to be. But you start to spiral, to circle downward,

749
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 3: slowly at first, and then with it escalates increasing speed,

750
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: increasing acceleration, you become increasingly disoriented in space. And so

751
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 3: to Nickel Ed mcgaha, this means that Frederick Valentiche enters

752
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: what's called a graveyard spiral, a situation not to be envy.

753
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 3: So he is focused on what he thinks is a UFO.

754
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: He's talking to Melbourne FSU and he starts spiraling the

755
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 3: entirety of the way down. This is too much stress

756
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 3: on the plane. He realizes things are fou bar we

757
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: at FSU, hear that screeching metallic noise, and then we

758
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: hear no more. This could explain the eyewitness accounts too.

759
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 3: I mean, the sessen is close enough to the land

760
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: at a low enough altitude for that eyewitness to see it,

761
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: and it's really three eyewitness because two of his nieces

762
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: were there. There's an a possible explanation for the light.

763
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: So I can't believe I'm using so many hand gestures

764
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 3: in an audio show. But okay, so the I was

765
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 3: trying to right.

766
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: It helps your brain. I think you're right.

767
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 3: I think you're right.

768
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

769
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 3: So if you're the guy on the ground, you're looking

770
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 3: at this. The aircraft is trying to correct what the

771
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 3: pilot sees as its orientation in space, and they start banking.

772
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 3: They can bank such that they're leaning over sideways kind of,

773
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: and the right wing tip is up it looks like

774
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 3: it's above the plane for a perceiver from the ground,

775
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: and that right wing tip has a navigation light on it,

776
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: and that navigation light is green in color, so if

777
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 3: you're looking at this happen evening is drawing on, you

778
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 3: could mistake it for a second separate craft, for the

779
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: green light flying above. But that still doesn't explain the

780
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 3: first four lights. Frederick reports, Oh.

781
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: No, it does not, and there's an explanation for it.

782
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: But I don't know, you guys, you don't love it.

783
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: I don't know when I think about reporting about lights

784
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: that I feel are a thousand feet above me in

785
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: a plane, I don't think about this. Venus, Mars, Mercury,

786
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: and Antaes a star a very bright star, very bright,

787
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: super bright, but also stars.

788
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't you can't drive to them. Yet.

789
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: There's what the most plausible mundane explanation we can find

790
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: propose for those four lights is based on computer searches

791
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 3: of the sky for the daytime and place of at

792
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 3: least part of Frederick's flight, And it's highly possible that

793
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: the things he saw were those four planetary, heavily celestial

794
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 3: bodies that Matt just named. And if you are a

795
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 3: human who's already primed to look for an entity, singular

796
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: entity or UFO, then it's possible that you would have

797
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 3: seen those and assumed they were a shape, that they

798
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 3: were forming the points of a diamond, especially if you're

799
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 3: already kind of hoping to see a UFO.

800
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: I hear that like edges of a shape, and then

801
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 2: inside that shape it might appear. It might, I'm saying,

802
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: might appear as a metallic object, like a dark black

803
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 2: metallic object that you can't perceive because there's no light

804
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: underneath it. But wouldn't there aren't there other stars in

805
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: between those that you ah, And if you're in a cessna,

806
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 2: you're looking out the side I guess of a window

807
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: to look up and see it, So then maybe you

808
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 2: look out the other side, but you're strapped. It's just

809
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: hard for me to physically understand him in that pilot's

810
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: seat observing all that stuff. I don't know.

811
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if it proposes a solution

812
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: to the investigation, but it doesn't get us across the

813
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: finish line. Yeah, it's not one hundred percent, and I

814
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 3: wish we could say it was, But it seems that

815
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 3: with all this in mind, what we can say is

816
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 3: Frederick Valentich did definitely see some things that he himself

817
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: could not identify, and they probably weren't aliens, but a

818
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: little twist, as is our wont at the end of stuff,

819
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. If he was distracted

820
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: by Venus, Mars Mercury and that very bright star, and

821
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 3: if there was life on any of those, then I

822
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 3: think it's fair to say he was distracted by aliens.

823
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: They were just fought. They were just the way further

824
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 3: away than he thought.

825
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: The ataries. Oh man, there are a lot of construction

826
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: sounds happening in my house right now. I apologize, Paul,

827
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: that's more work for you. But and you're gonna hear

828
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 2: him in the episode too, I apologize for that. And dogs,

829
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: it's just a noisy day over here. I'm distracted. Maybe

830
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 2: it's a UFO. I am holding out, guys, I'm holding

831
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: out that something nuts happened to Frederick. And even if

832
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: his plane did crash, I don't think he did. I

833
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: think he went with somebody and that's why the plane crashed.

834
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 2: I like that.

835
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: I like that. Let's do just a quick bit of cocktail.

836
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: If he were alive today, he would be sixty five

837
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 3: years old, so well within the realm of possibility. If

838
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 3: he still remains on Earth.

839
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think. I think he's going to live

840
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: to four thy fifty because he's got he's got all

841
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 2: the tech. Now he's got time dilation. Oh yeah, he's

842
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: good to go forever probably.

843
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 3: And you know what, while we're doing this, while we're

844
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: playing these reindeer games, isn't everyone just an object in space? Right? Yeah?

845
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: We're just, you know, strapped to this planet like some

846
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: kind of moss that can talk.

847
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 3: And can we really even identify ourselves? How well do

848
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 3: we know ourselves? You know? I wish everyone could see

849
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: this shrunk at this point, I think we call it.

850
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 3: We would love to hear your takes on this mysterious case,

851
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,359
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852
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,279
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853
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Speaker 3: alleged UFO or paranormal encounters in your neck of the

854
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,640
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855
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:11,759
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856
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857
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858
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Speaker 2: not here.

859
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:34,120
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860
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861
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Speaker 2: That's right. Our number is Say it with us one

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Speaker 2: eight three three st d w y t K. It's

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Speaker 2: a voicemail system. Oh, it's a voicemail system. You got

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Speaker 2: three minutes. Give us a cool nickname, now your government name.

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Speaker 2: Say whatever you'd like, as long as at some point

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Speaker 2: in that message say whether or not we can use

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Speaker 2: your message and voice on the air, or if you

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Speaker 2: don't want us to. It's that easy. Do you think

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Speaker 2: we could put like the whole show on a dating

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Speaker 2: site like the three or four or five of us.

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Speaker 2: Let's say, everybody, we're all on a dating site as

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Speaker 2: a show, and you can take the show out on

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Speaker 2: a date. Has anybody ever done that? It's I think

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Speaker 2: that would be fun. Call us with your ideas. If

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Speaker 2: you don't want to use your phone, why not instead

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Speaker 2: send us a good old fashioned email.

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