1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's it's behind the bastards And I'm Robert Evans Miles 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Gray as my guest today. How hi, I'm from Liverpool. Now. Uh, 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: let's talk about Trump University. Oh yes, that where were we? 4 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: All right? Part two? From mid two thousand seven to 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: two thousand ten, Trump University was essentially a series of 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: free classes that actually only taught you how to raise 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: your credit limit in order to pay tens of thousands 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: of dollars to Donald Trump. The instructors or teachers for 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: these classes were really salespeople who got of the revenue 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: from everybody who signed up for these paid programs. The 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: very best of these instructors was a fellow named James Harris. 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: According to Stephen Gilpin quote, he didn't have a background 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: in education or even a college degree when he was 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: hired at two thousand and eight. He had a felony 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: conviction for ramming into someone's truck with his own truck 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: eight years earlier, and according to two thousand eleven divorce 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: filings in Gwynett County, Georgia, Harris had threatened to kill 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: his ex wife and tried to have her Range Rover 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: repass us the day after she filed a restraining order 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: against him. Harris was so volatile, according to court records, 21 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: that his children's school went on lockdown one day when 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: he picked up the kids. This is Trump University's best professor. Also, 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: why are we still calling professor? Because he's so funny 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: that you would call that man a professor. He's professor 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: of Trump University did run a background check on Harris, 26 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: but the investigators did not flag his criminal record. They 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: were also apparently not able to verify whether he graduated 28 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: from high school, though Harris later told CNN that he 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: did graduate. The report didn't uncover any real estate experience either. 30 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: According to court records, there is no evidence that James 31 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: Harris ever held a real estate license. So James was 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: by far the best of the Trump He instructors. They 33 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: actually filmed some of his lectures to play for other 34 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: instructors because he was so good at like the goal 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: was to sell of the room on a package, a 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: new package with every one of these things, and he 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: always met or exceeded his goal. Wait, so how many 38 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: sales people would be working a given seminar? You know, 39 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: sometimes three or four it sounds like, but they knew 40 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: that they needed to sell one fourth of the people 41 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: who came say that as a as a sales team, 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: not like each individ It was different depending on I 43 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: think some seminars had multiple and some it was just 44 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: James coming in there, So I think it was different 45 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: each time, like they video different things. Now, James had 46 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: a number of tactics, but the most of them boiled 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: down to just repeatedly promising his audience on fathomubble riches. 48 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: His favorite line was apparently write this down your license plate. 49 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: When I'm done with you, was gonna say, paid for 50 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: got that? Wow? That's you know, That's not what I 51 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: would do. That's not what I would do. I can 52 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: see what it would work. I would go around and 53 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: I would say everybody to get out a piece of paper, okay, 54 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: and on it. And I don't tell anybody think in 55 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: your mind, right in your mind's eye, when you are 56 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: actually making all the millions of dollars with this Trump program, 57 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: what's the first car you're gonna buy? Now, don't It 58 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a new car, can be a 59 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: car you've always wanted, because no money can get you anything, 60 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: even an old Corvette your grandpa used to drive. Okay, now, 61 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: I want you to write down the make and model 62 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: that car. Okay, now put it in your pocket, because 63 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: what I want you to know isn't about let's say 64 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: what's today February. Let's just call it February seven. Okay. 65 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: In one month from today, March seven, you are going 66 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: to be pulling out that piece of paper and looking 67 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: in the rear view mirror of that car. One month, 68 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: and I congratulate all of you. Boom sold, sold half 69 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: the room, Jesus Christ Miles. I just love I love 70 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: these this again the balls. Like anyone else would feel 71 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: so terrible to be like, I'm charging these people, so 72 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm selling you nothing. And then on top of it, 73 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: you know they're desperate and you're saying you're gonna have everything. 74 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: Don't worry, don't worry. I mean, anyone who isn't a 75 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: total like you would have to know that some of 76 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: these people are in like pretty bad situations because you 77 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: trump seminar. If your everything is perfect, yeah, yeah exactly. 78 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: Or I mean some people might things might be perfect, 79 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: but they just don't know that there are seventy thousand 80 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: dollars away from blowing it on the wind. All right, yeah, okay, 81 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: what was the name Jesse Miller, James Harris, I'm sorry. Uh. 82 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: Once Trump University collapsed spoilers the Washington Post. The Washington 83 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: Post set down with Harris. His name came up more 84 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: than just about any other name and complaints about Trump 85 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: University because he built the most people out of the 86 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: most money. Quote from Harris, I was told to do 87 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: one thing, and that one thing was to show up 88 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: to teach, train, and motivate people to purchase Trump University 89 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: products and services, to make sure everybody bought. That is it? Wow? 90 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: Sullying the term products and services. Really that hurts me 91 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: to hear as a products and services guy. I know, 92 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: I know, but you have to look past that. It's 93 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: the bigger picture. Because you're looking at products and services 94 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: is sort of your I guess life raft or life 95 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: vest in a sea of debt and uncertainty. Yeah, well, 96 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: let me tell you something. I'm coming by the fucking 97 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: Titanic and that's see, and I'm swooping my hand down 98 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: to pull you aboard the s s opulence, the SS. 99 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: Let's just call it abundance, okay. And I'm not afraid 100 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: to share because when wealth is infinite, it doesn't matter 101 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: how many ways you cut that up, it's still going 102 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: to generate. Oh boy, oh boy. Okay. So the Chicago 103 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: Tribune reported that during one session, quote Harris scolded an 104 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: eighteen year old who said he might not be able 105 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: to make the class starting on a Friday because he 106 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: was still in high school. Take the day off, he 107 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: told the high schooler. This is more important. This is 108 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: a billionaire and I work for him, and I'm going 109 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: to show you how to buy and sell real estate. Wow, 110 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: take the day off, skip school kid. As the most 111 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: successful sales teacher for Trump University, Harris' strategies relied heavily 112 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: on bringing Donald Trump's name into it. Here's Gilpin's book quote. 113 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: Harris's upsell rate was so good the Trump University executives 114 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: distributed a transcript of one of his sessions so that 115 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: others could learned his secrets, especially from the crucial elements 116 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: of his unscripted Q and A at the end where 117 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: the master pitchman closed his sales. Among the highlights of 118 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: Harris's winning presentation was his promise that Trump quote only 119 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: wants to leave a legacy. He does not need your 120 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars. He did not have to start this university. 121 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: He does not need the money. He does not get 122 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: a dime of it. Does everyone understand this? Please say yes, 123 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: he does not need the money. Wow. Trump profited an 124 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: estimated five to ten million dollars from outside of that. 125 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: Harris's pitch seems to have been a pretty standard one 126 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: in the world of multi level marketing and pyramid schemes. 127 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: There are three groups of people. People who make things happen, 128 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: people who wait for things to happen, and people who 129 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: wonder what happened? Yeah? Yeah? The which are you? Questions 130 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: are always big in these and again listen to the 131 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: Dream Great podcast on pyramid schemes, multi level marketing Awesome podcast, 132 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump shows up a few times. Clearly good podcast now. 133 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: One of the people taken in by James Harris was 134 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: Kevin Scott, a forty six year old employee of a 135 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical company. He was drawn in by quote the picture 136 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: Harris painted of making money quickly by flipping distressed and 137 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: folk closed property using other people's money. That was a 138 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: major promise Harris and other sales teachers and Trump You 139 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: promotional material all made. Donald Trump himself was a huge 140 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: fan of talking about using other people's money to finance 141 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: real estate investments games, although he put his own money 142 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: into Trump University enough, I'm sure he did things like, oh, guys, 143 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: get ready because you're gonna be hooked on op M 144 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: other people's money. Good. That's good. That's really good. Thank you. Kevin. 145 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: Scott started with a ninety minute free class and then 146 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: paid four dollars for a course by Harris, which turned 147 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: into a twenty dollar elite package. Now, that level of 148 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: commitment entitled him to a number of benefits, including three 149 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: days of one on one instruction with his mentor, James Harris. 150 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: Here's the Chicago Tribune quote. Scott said his mentor accompanied 151 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: him on a weekend tour of properties in Westchester. At 152 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: first he was impressed, but when he tried to make 153 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: a deal to buy and flip the houses, he was 154 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: told each time by the banks that owned the properties 155 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: that he had to have financing in place before they 156 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: would consider his offers. And the non bank hard money 157 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: learners who Harris had promised would be made available to 158 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: him by Trump University were nowhere to be found. He said. 159 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 1: It all amounts, Scott said, to a whole lot of nothing. 160 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: He adds that because he tapped out his credit cards 161 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: to pay the tuition. I ended up being one of 162 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: those distress properties. I now have to rent out my 163 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: house and live in a small apartment. Scott is one 164 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: of what are likely to be nearly seven thousand plaintiffs 165 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: in the class actions. Yeah, it's a bummer Wow. Another 166 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: person who swore in affidavit against Trump University was Kathleen Meese. 167 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: She paid for a three day workshop in Malta, New York. 168 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: This conference included several sales teachers, one of whom was 169 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: a guy named Stephen Goff. Mees later a called quote. 170 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: While the other Trump instructor spoke to the class, Mr 171 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: Goff pulled people aside one by one and told us 172 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: that we would make money faster if we enrolled in 173 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: Trump Elite programs and worked with a personal mentor. Mr 174 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: Goff asked if I could come up with twenty five 175 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to sign up for the gold Elete program. 176 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: I told him I had a credit card with a 177 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollar limit, but I did not want to 178 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: pay that much for the Trump gold Elete program. I 179 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: told Mr Goff that I could not fly to the 180 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: Trump Elite seminars because I have a done with down 181 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: syndrome who needs to be close to a hospital in 182 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: case he needs to receive his medical treatments. Goff, wanting 183 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: the five thousand dollars he'd be guaranteed for such a 184 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: sale because he gets a quarter of it, promised Kathleen 185 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: that she would make her dollars back in sixty days. 186 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: He also promised to be her personal mentor, and eventually 187 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: she agreed and charged the program to her card. Three 188 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: days after this, Stephen Goff called her up and told 189 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: her that alas he'd be unable to mentor her and 190 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: she instead wind up working with some guy she'd never 191 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: heard of. Kathleen meece demanded a refund, which he did 192 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: not get. Now I found that anecdote and Gilpin's book. 193 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: Since James Harris wound up being such a messed up guy, 194 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: I wanted to learn a little bit more about Steve 195 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: Goff to see if this was maybe a trend among 196 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: Trump university professors. But that they were lying, sniveling, little 197 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: well ratman criminals is more what I was interested in. 198 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: But hold on, man, hold on, I take offense. We 199 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: all get the odds. School shut down because we're so 200 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: violent and angry when we car is a deadly weapon now, like, yeah, 201 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: people were shooting each other with cars in the Civil War. 202 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: I found an l A Times article that talked a 203 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: little bit about Steve Goff's backstory. Journalist David Lazarus went 204 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: to one of those free seminars and actually talked to 205 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: golf Quote, who told me before things got started that 206 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 1: he had bought and sold about three houses since getting 207 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: into real estate eleven years ago. He said he had 208 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: never bought or sold a house in California, which is 209 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: where the seminar was. I asked Off if he's a millionaire. 210 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: He said no. He said he had been through bankruptcy, 211 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: to divorces and had his own home foreclosed upon. I 212 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: love helping people, Goff set of why he now works 213 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: for Trump University. I'm very passionate about helping people achieve success. 214 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: What I mean, I've been bankrupt and lost my house. 215 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: Now let me teach you how to flip houses. But 216 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: you don't even have money. I know I will if 217 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: you sign up for this corse. Yeah, let's see, I'll 218 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: teach you for lunch. I do imagine sounding like Gil 219 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: from the Simpsons come on other members of those class 220 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: actions and did. Bob and Alex Guilo, father and son. 221 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: Bob Guilo signed up for the thirty five tho dollar 222 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: Trump Gold Elite program, based largely in the promise that 223 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: this would put him in a very small in the 224 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: no group of insiders who would receive special secret real 225 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: estate knowledge. Mr Guillo explained in his affid David, for example, 226 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: where Mr Trump would be involved in building condominiums, we 227 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: would get first choice at purchasing an apartment and then 228 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: would be able to immediately sell it at a profit. 229 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: Once he actually tried to make use of the benefits 230 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: promised to him and his Trump Gold Elete membership, Wheelo 231 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: realized that the special secret listing he was supposed to 232 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: get access to was Zillo. No, they pulled the data 233 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: from Zillo. Yeah wow wow wow wow, and then like 234 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: probably put it in some other presents. I think they 235 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: put it in another thing. This is a hot, because 236 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: it's a hot. Nobody nobody can access this. No, nobody, 237 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: Donald Trump picks these. Nobody in North Korea can access this. Okay. 238 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: He attended every one of the seminars he was entitled 239 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: to and realized that even after paying thirty five grand, 240 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: he was still being viewed as a cash bigot rather 241 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: than a student. At every single seminar quote, they tried 242 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: to solicit more money from us. I got a picture 243 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 1: of myself with the Trump cut out and basically very 244 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: very little else Jesus, and we're people just trying to 245 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: give him, Like did they have like side hustles too, 246 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: or they're like, even, okay, you're you're doing the Trump 247 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: Elite program, but look for another thousand. I'm gonna show 248 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: you some secrets that isn't even in here. That happened 249 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of times. The conversity actually cracked down on it, 250 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: just because they like, yeah, taking too many bites of 251 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: the apple. A number of these guys would like try 252 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: to sell their own scams. Yeah yeah, fell already buying that, Like, 253 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: let me just get a little five D on the 254 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: side drifter school. Uh. Bob demanded a refund, which he 255 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: did not receive. Vanity Fair spoke with the Trump University employee, 256 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: a guy named Suriol, who dealt with Bob's case. This 257 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: is what he said in two thousand and fourteen, right 258 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: as the class action suits were kicking off. I had 259 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: many conversations with Bob Whilow. He could not articulate one 260 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: thing that was wrong with the course, and I just 261 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: got the impression that this was a guy who read 262 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: about this frivolous lawsuit and was saying, hey, look I'm 263 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: gonna try and get some money back, especially because he 264 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: signed up for multiple horses in multiple years and had 265 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: multiple very positive evaluations. This brings us to the evaluations. 266 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: Like any good con Trump University came with a plan 267 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: to protect Donald Trump from lawsuits that would inevitably proceed 268 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: because he was fleecing people out of their life savings. 269 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: So we're going to get into how he did that, 270 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: but you know it's not a con. Miles the fine 271 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: services and or products. I feel bad about saying products 272 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: and services after that last guy. Well, let's call goods 273 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: and services the goods and services. Uh, barter your way 274 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: on down to engage in these capitalism enterprises. Ads. We're 275 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: back talking about products services we just did. Now we're 276 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: talking about Trump University, which was actually not a product 277 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: or a service. It was just a way for people 278 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: to throw money in a hole. So there was an 279 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: evaluation system set up in order to protect the companies 280 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: from lawsuits, because like, if these people sue us for 281 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: stealing their money, we can point out, well, you gave 282 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: us stars. He gave us five stars, like you gave 283 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: us a good they did. That was just a yeah. 284 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: They were inoculating themselves. They were inoculating themselves by being like, okay, 285 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: do this's and that's weird you said you loved it. 286 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 1: It's the scam equivalent of like when you have those 287 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: court cases where like the celebrity is accused of sexual 288 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: assault and someone's like, well, here's a picture of her 289 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: looking smiling next to him, right, Like that happened with 290 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: the Weinstein case where there is that they pointed out, like, well, no, 291 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: she sat next to him at the oscars. Yeah, like 292 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: she doesn't look trauma to like it's yeah, that's strange. Yeah, 293 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: it turns out it's a good strategy for a couple 294 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: of things, right, Yeah, if you have no soul. Stephen 295 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: Gilpin explained quote as noted on page forty the playbook. 296 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: Events staff were required to distribute surveys to all attendees 297 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: and collect once completed in exchange for certificates. That's right. 298 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: Each student was handed a survey to fell Out, and 299 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: he or she did not receive their course completion certificate 300 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: until the survey had been completed and turned in. The 301 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: exchange was clear, you fell out the farm, and then 302 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: we'll give you this your certificate. Students have stated that 303 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: the Trump team members would hover over them while they 304 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: filled out the forms, can get more awkward for them 305 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: to write anything critical. Trump University mentor Tad Lignell told 306 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: The New York Times that he asked students to fill 307 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: out the evaluations in front of him at restaurants and 308 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: coffee shops. At that moment, vulnerable students still needed and 309 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: expected his guidance as they filled out the forms. Their 310 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: mindset was I want my mentor to be my friend 311 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: and I need his help. Oh. In two thousand ten, 312 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: Trump University had its first legal trouble. Greg Abbott, the 313 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: Attorney General of Texas, opened an investigation into thirty complaints 314 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: made by Texans who had gotten fleeced by the scam. 315 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: According to Gilpin's book, we pulled out of the state 316 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: before the probe was completed. A few years later, Trump 317 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: made two contributions to abbott scubernatorial campaign, one for two 318 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: dollars in July and one another for ten thousand dollars 319 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: in May of two thousand and fourteen. It was Trump's 320 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: only substantial venture into Texas politics. The governor's critics and 321 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: the state Democratic Party said that Abbott was quote on 322 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: the corrupt Trump payroll. A former deputy chief of Abbott's 323 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: Consumer protection division, John Owens, claimed that his boss's torpedoed 324 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: their request to sue Trump University for illegal business practices. 325 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: A memo dated May eleventh, two thou ten, and provided 326 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: to the State Texas Tribute and other media organizations, revealed 327 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: that Owens and his colleagues wanted to ask the Trump 328 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: University for a five point four million dollar settlement. Owen's 329 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: now retired says his team had built a solid case 330 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: against Donald Trump at Trump University, but was told to 331 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: drop it after the school agreed to cease operations in Texas. 332 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: So bribe the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott. Which if 333 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: you're a Texan, you know that all of our governors 334 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: are grifters. I mean, look, you gotta kick it up. 335 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: You gotta kick it up. Man. Look you want to 336 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: run shit around here, Give me my taste, give me 337 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: my give me my cut of that pie. Thirty five 338 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: grand to forgive five point four million in scamming Texans 339 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: out of money. Yeah, I mean, but it's not a 340 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: lot of work for the government. Ship just says stop 341 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: it now. I got a little, a little fishing boat, 342 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: Greg Abbott, might can you get a fishing boat for 343 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: thirty five little Boston whalers and not a great one? Yeah? Yeah, 344 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: some you can take out. Something you can take out. 345 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: Not a John McAfee class yacht, but not a murder 346 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: ss murder. Someone's going to die on that boat journey 347 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: for sure. Every picture of him, he's got like multiple 348 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: guns in bed and his drinking. It's just a hammock 349 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: and making the background John McAfee. Now. Throughout all this, 350 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: Trump University continued to use the forty Wall Street address 351 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: as its corporate address, despite being told by the Department 352 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: of Education to stop doing that. Ship. After five years 353 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: of this, on June two, two ten, Trump University finally 354 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: changed his name to the Trump Entrepreneur Initiative. Now, according 355 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: to Gilpin, this was all just cover for the fact 356 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: that Trump and Sexton were shutting down the university. Michael 357 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: Sexton quit his job and left the office without telling anyone. 358 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: It apparently took several weeks for the employees at Trump 359 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: University to realize the company no longer existed. Gilpin claims 360 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: he never got his last paycheck and no one told 361 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: them to stop working. Wow, just get the funk out. 362 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: Just get the funk out eventually when you realize we're 363 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: not paying you any right, right? Right? Yeah. In August 364 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: of two thirteen, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman filed 365 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: a lawsuit against Donald Trump under the grounds that Trump 366 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: University had engaged in quote persistent, fraudulent, illegal, and deceptive 367 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: conduct quote from Schneiderman. Some instructors claim that a Trump 368 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: degree is a bit of a college degree, and that 369 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: Trump offered graduate programs, postgraduate programs, and doctorate programs. Instructors 370 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: routinely referred to themselves as faculty and to the Trump 371 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: University program participants as students and then graduates after completing 372 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: a course and going through graduation. Instructors represented the three 373 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: Day Seminar would provide special instructions to students on how 374 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: to obtain private or hard money sources of financing rather 375 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: than traditional loans from banks. In fact, there's no evidence 376 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: that the Three Day Seminars contain substantial instruction on how 377 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: to raise private money, and the supposedly special database of 378 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: lenders turned out to be a list photo copied from 379 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: an issue of Scotsman Guide, a commercially available magazine photo off. 380 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: You didn't have the fucking time, didn't even retype it. 381 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: It's an old camera phone pick. Now, this is where 382 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: those satisfaction serveys come into play, because when the Attorney 383 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: General of New York announced a lawsuit against Trump University, 384 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: Trump launched a websitecent approval dot com, now defunct. The 385 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: website made the case that Trump University had acent approval 386 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: rating from its students. So why was this crooked attorney 387 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: general coming after them? Oh? Oh, I thought they said 388 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: they were in love. They said they were in love. Interesting, 389 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: they don't. Interesting, sounds like someone's trying to get money. Yeah, 390 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: it sounds like some sour grapes. They're actually wound up 391 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: being three big gas lawsuits over Trump University, one in 392 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: New York, one in California, and one in federal court. 393 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: If you remember the time Trump was racist to that 394 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: judge Gonzalo Curial, this is when that happened. The cases 395 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: were all settled in early two thousand and seventeen as 396 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: Trump took office, and the aggrieved parties won a total 397 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 1: of twenty five million dollars, which should mean that just 398 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: about everybody who got sucked over by Trump University will 399 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: get their money back down the line. Yeah million, that's 400 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: about what. So those people actually more than likely will 401 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: be made hold. It seems. It seems so, at least 402 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: the ones who signed on to the lawsuit. Yeah, and 403 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: which was like seven thousand people of an old billionaire, 404 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's sucking quote unquote billionaire. So there's a happy 405 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: ish ending to this because they kind of Trump settled 406 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: kind of right around the time it was being inaugurated 407 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: because they were like, I just don't want this to 408 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: drag on right present, there like something going on where 409 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: like one person wasn't going to accept and it was 410 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: gonna like derail it was going to derail it. But 411 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: then the judge was like, no, I don't I don't 412 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: know the details, but it didn't do whatever that. They 413 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: didn't allow that that one person's decision to end up 414 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: sucking up everyone. They didn't let that fuck it up 415 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 1: for everybody else. So unlike most stories, particularly most stories 416 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: baby Donald Trump, this tale us have a happy ending, 417 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: or sort of, because Trump University was not the only 418 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: scam Donald Trump played in the mid oughts. In fact, 419 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: it seems to have been the nibble that led him 420 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 1: into a binge of scams. In two thousand nine, as 421 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: Trump You was winding down, he signed a deal with 422 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: Ideal Health, an MLM that sold you're in testing kits 423 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: that were supposed to help them formulate super multi vitamins 424 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: designed specifically for you. The reality of the situation is 425 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: that Trump Plan claimed to be like in on this investment, 426 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: that it was like a great opportunity, and I believe 427 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: this is going to be like they specifically talked about, 428 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: like the financial crash, and was like you know, in 429 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: an age when all of these promises have been proven 430 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: untrue and all these these the sketchy finance people have 431 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: screwed you guys over. I found a way for the 432 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: American dream to aid whole. And it's selling these p 433 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: testing kids to give people multivitamins wait, so that you 434 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: would pe on the thing and then they would like 435 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: give you a customized vitamin vitamin. Yeah. Trump claimed to 436 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: be intimately involved with the company involved in formulating the 437 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: programs and like claimed that he loves P. Yeah, they 438 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: I mean they called it the Trump Network. But he 439 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: loves P. He does love he loves P. He found 440 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: another P thing to do. Now this this company had 441 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: existed before him. But afterwards people thought that basically it 442 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: seemed kind of like the people in the ground like 443 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: he might have bought the company and was now running it. 444 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: And they're like, oh great, I just send him in 445 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: a big seven eleven big golf cup to my bedroom 446 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: and I will sip them boy. Okay. The reality of 447 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: the situation is that Ideal Health was just paying Donald 448 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: Trump to give speeches at conferences and let them use 449 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: his name for branding purposes. He had no actual hand 450 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: in the operations of the company, nor was any of 451 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: his money on the line in it. This is distinctly 452 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: not with the employees of Ideal Health were led to believe. Well, 453 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: I guess now, the Trump Network were led to believe. 454 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: Here's the Washington Post. Trump says he was not involved 455 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: with the company's operations, but statements by him and other 456 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 1: company representatives, as well as a plethora of marketing materials 457 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: circulating online, often gave the impression of a partnership that 458 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: was certain to lift thousands of people into prosperity. In fact, 459 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: within a few years, the company fell on hard times, 460 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: leaving some of sales people in tough financial straits. It 461 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: ultimately was acquired by another firm, But when Trump joined 462 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: forces with Ideal Health, he was enthusiastic about his future. 463 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: When I did the Apprentice, it was a long shot. 464 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: This is not a long shot. Trump told a Trump 465 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: Network convention of at least five thousand people in Miami 466 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: in two thousand nine, his face projected onto a giant screen. 467 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: This is going to be something that's really amazing. It's 468 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: going to be our company as a group. So wow wow. 469 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: And then he's like, this is us. Everything is around, 470 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: this is the board. This is the board. We all 471 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: work together. You're working with Donald Trump, billionaire. Mm hmm. Anyway, 472 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna leave. I don't know where 473 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: I am actually, but you're going to be rich. Congratulations. 474 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: There's more. Donald Trump signed a deal with a c N, 475 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: a telecommunications marketing firm that scammed people out of their 476 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: money by trying to convince them to sell video phones. 477 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: In the twenty teens. The president was sued for his 478 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: role in this last October. Complainants alleged that they were 479 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: once again led to believe Trump was actually involved in 480 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: the business and believed in it. He did not disclose 481 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: that he had been paid millions of dollars in order 482 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: to sell them on the company. A c N was 483 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: not the only company listed on this lawsuit. The lawsuit 484 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: complains that the Trump Foundation, which is ostensibly a charity, 485 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: was turned by the President and his family into essentially 486 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: a clearinghouse for scams. Here's the New York Times. Those 487 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: business entities were A c N, a telecommunications marketing firm 488 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: that paid Mr Trump billions of dollars to endorse its products, 489 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: the Trump Network of Vitamin Marketing Enterprise, and the Trump Institute, 490 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: which the suit set offered extravagantly priced multi day training 491 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: seminars Mr Trump's real estate secrets. That is a different 492 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: thing from Trump University, Trump Enterprise, Trump Institute Trump started 493 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: in the same time two thousand five. He had to 494 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: fake colleges running at the same time. And we've only 495 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: known about university. No one talks about the Trump Institute 496 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: of fakes to fake schools. Miles, Was it the same 497 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: thing to the exact same note, It was actually less 498 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: of a scam? How is it less of a cheaper? 499 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: So while Trump You was at least initially seated by 500 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: Trump's own money. The Trump Institute was a series of 501 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: expensive lectures run by Irene and Mike Millen, a couple 502 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: with a long history of shady get rich quick schemes. 503 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: Michael Sexton, CEO of Trump University, also helped to run 504 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: the Trump Institute. Trump's role in the Institute was basically 505 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 1: limited to licensing his name and claiming the business secrets 506 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: taught were all things he totally learned during his long 507 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: career as a businessman. A New York Times investigation later 508 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: found that huge trunks of the course books for the 509 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: institute were outright plagiarized from legitimate business books. Was at 510 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: least means there is a ghost of a chance that 511 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: someone got useful information. Now, the four plaintiffs, I do 512 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: want to read another quote from that Washington Post article 513 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: on the giant lawsuit against the Trump Foundation, because I 514 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: think it's interesting quote the four plaintiffs, who were identified 515 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: only with pseudonyms like Jane Doe to pick the Trump 516 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: organization as a racketeering enterprise that defrauded thousands of people 517 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: for years as the president turned from construction to licensing 518 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: his name for profit. The suit also names Donald Trump Jr. 519 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: Ivanka Trump, and Eric Trump as defendants. Mm hmm. So 520 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: all of this is why in December of two thousand eighteen, 521 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: New York Judge Salient Scarpoola approved a deal to shut 522 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: down the Trump Foundation for good, citing its shocking pattern 523 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: of illegality. The judge ordered that the foundations remaining one 524 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: point seven million in assets be split up amongst legitimate charities, 525 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: which is where we stand now. There's still an investigation ongoing, 526 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: which means that the president and all of his kids 527 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 1: might get charged under the Rico statutes for racketeering like 528 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: which for all the talk about the Mueller investigation, which 529 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm a fan of just because it put Paul Man 530 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: of Fort and Rogerstone and buying bars, and I think 531 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: that if that's all we get, but it looks like 532 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: what that might uncover is like no direct collusion with Russia, 533 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: but just like the president was racketeering enterprise the most 534 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: inept organized crime thing. It's uh yeah, I mean, I 535 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: think because also the charges that he's facing from the 536 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: Southern District of New York I think are far more 537 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: potentially scary than there's so many charges against him. It's 538 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: because they're not limited by like they're not handcuffed by 539 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: d o J policy or not indicating or whatever. They're like, 540 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: we're here to fucking burn this mother down. Yeah, I 541 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: didn't really I knew the Trump Foundation was a scam 542 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: because but I didn't know it was how he ran 543 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: multiple pyramid schemes, including to fake colleges the institute though 544 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: there's something just those two words together, two fake colleges. 545 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: I don't know why Trump University sounds more believable than 546 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: the Trump Trumps. It does sound scamming. I don't know why. 547 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: And I found this out near the end of my research. 548 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: I could have gone in more, but I think it's 549 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: just important to know that, like he had to fake 550 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: schools at the same time, to fake schools. Hey, look, 551 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: it's money, baby, the president of the United States. Everybody. Uh, 552 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: he's just more out there with it. That's all you's got. Scams. 553 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: It's just really really lame and predatory. Yeah. I hate 554 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: to say say this about Eric Prince, but at least 555 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: he ran a company that did a business. There was 556 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: at there was a product and yeah, he's like, look, 557 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm selling chaos. But they made the wars work out 558 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: less well for everyone involved. But they did keep their 559 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: clients alive. Sure, that's technically all they were paid to do. 560 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: They followed through and that It's like, look, we might 561 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: fucking go outside the lines in a few more than 562 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: one way. We might make the whole war effort less 563 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: successful by murdering civilians, but the people were hired to 564 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: not get killed will stay alive. It's weird because I'm 565 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: almost like, yeah, Eric Prince building his fake warplane warms 566 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: my heart more than hearing about these confidence in intelligence. 567 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: This is just so lazy, such a lazy scam. Yeah, 568 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: tell desperate people they'll get rich if they give you money, 569 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: point blank. That's it. The end, Eric Prince scam is 570 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: spend years setting up a series of shell companies and 571 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: buying busin this is around the world to gradually assemble 572 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: a couple of warplanes because you just want to bomb 573 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: people that badly. Donald Trump scams. Yeah, let's start a 574 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: fake school and let's hire your criminals to teach. You. 575 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: Get a truck ram over here to be the top professor, Professor, 576 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: Professor Ram to truck into some much. It's just so 577 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: funny just to see those videos. Like if you have 578 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: those clips and just even the lower third for that'd 579 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: be like Professor Miller like, wow, that is okay, sure, 580 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: I gotta see his name was James Miller, James Harris. 581 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: I think, Miles. You want to plug a plug doble 582 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: in this the plug zone the pas Oh yeah, um 583 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: Belcon plug in surge protectors, oh man protect family because 584 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: I also have a two built in USB slots so 585 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: if you want to charge your phone and not worry 586 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: about any surges damaging your lifetow products, Belcon plug in Searcher. 587 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: You know I plugged in a Belkin search protector when 588 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: I was in Ireland once. It was one of those 589 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: adapt your things too. There's a huge spark shot Tride 590 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: the search protector instantly look like, uh, what's his name? Um, 591 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: let's see. Oh yeah. Just check out the Daily Zeitgeist 592 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: Daily News Politics Culture podcast that I co host with 593 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien every day on this network. Belcan is not 594 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: a supporter. Belkin is not a supporter. You know. That 595 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: was thirsty me. If Belkan does want to put some 596 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: money into this, I will claim that it was a 597 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: different search protector. Yeah, fantastic, fantastic. Um, that'd be a 598 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: good thing to talk about two because it's really to 599 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: power dynamic power dynamic anyway, speaking of power dynamics. Uh. 600 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: And also, you know, follow me on Twitter and Instagram 601 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: at Miles of Gray. You can follow me on Twitter 602 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: at at at Bastards Pod. You can't follow me on 603 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: Instagram because it frightens and uh confuses me. Your posts 604 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: would be amazing, though, well I don't even know what 605 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: you do on it. You would you just show people 606 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: what you see through your eyes as you see Robert. 607 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: Know that's a bad idea spending this show. That is 608 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: a bad idea. Uh. You can find this show on 609 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram, though at at Bastards pot. You can 610 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: find it on the internet at behind the Bastards dot com. Uh. 611 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: Download that Trump University playbook for yourself, give give some 612 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: of those seconds to read through. Don't start at the 613 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: beginning because it's kind of boring, but go go to 614 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: that sales section. Really pretty drinking in, pretty abusive. Yeah, 615 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: the tactics I'm curious to like. Actually, it's it's really 616 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: disturbing when you see it written now just sort of 617 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: just so plainly. Yeah, it's it's like a textbook written 618 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: by people who all hit their spouses. It's it's it's 619 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: like those same tactics though of Oh yeah, it's just abuse. 620 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: It's just about just making you feel out of touch 621 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: with your power or your own sense of agency. Yeah, yeah, 622 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: it's remarkable anyway. Uh go do something that makes you happy. Listen, 623 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: listen to a happy song. Uh, pet puppy. Uh, flip 624 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: a cop car, buy a T shirt on t public 625 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: Uh stickers, Uh cups, Uh crowbars they break police vehicle 626 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: windows pretty well, right, probably open the back, yeah, branded 627 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: behind the bastard's crowbar. I don't know. Uh, light a 628 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: courthouse on fire, whatever you want to do? Can we 629 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: can we ask people to do that. No, we can't. 630 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: Don't light a courthouse on fire. Hug a courthouse. Hug 631 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: a courthouse. Hug a courthouse. Hug your local courthouse today. Uh, 632 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: and go to Robert University, where I will teach you 633 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: my secrets for losing thousands of dollars in real estate. Uh, 634 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: hails are being honest. At least I'm being honest. If 635 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: you want to lose money. The Robert Evans way, you 636 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: know what, the episodes over. I I have a legend. 637 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm I'm urging crimes, I'm selling nonsense. You gotta cut, Sophie, 638 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: You gotta just stop us.