1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan in this episode number three sixty one, 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: and today I'm joined by John Altman to discuss his 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: unique methods for targeting mature bucks from the Big Woods 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: of Maine to the coastal islands of the Atlantic Ocean. 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: Al Right, welcome to the Wired Time podcast, brought to 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: you by Onyx. I'm joined today by John Altman for 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: a really cool chat. I think at least. John is 11 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: a die hard deer hunter from the East coast of 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: Maine who has been chasing mature bucks across the Northeast 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: for decades now, and he's doing in some really unique 14 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: and interesting ways. You might be aware of what I'm 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: talking about if you've watched the new show over on 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: Real Tree called Sea Bucks. Well, in short, what he's doing, 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: he's chasing big deer in the big woods, and he's 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: boating and kayaking to islands and find giant bucks out 19 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: in those spots too, and he's getting great deer and 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: all these different unique tough scenarios. So whether you hunt 21 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: in the Northeast or not, his ideas I think can 22 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: be applicable. You know, when you're listening, think about how 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: you can take little bits of his tactics and apply 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: them to your own scenario, whether that's in the Upper 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: Great Lakes or the Deep South. His water access tips 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: are really interesting. His ideas for hunting big timber could 27 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: be applicable in a lot of scenarios. It just might 28 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: be the trick you need to take your hunting to 29 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: the next level. So this is a fun one. We 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: dive into some really really interesting scenarios. I'm excited for 31 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: you to hear it. So without further ado, I want 32 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: you to get right into it. So thank you for 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: listening and enjoy all right with me. Now on the 34 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: line is John Altman. John, wel them to the podcast. 35 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. Thanks, it's great to talk to you. 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm excited for this one. I every year I tell 37 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: myself I need to do a better job of talking 38 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: to folks up in the Northeast. There's so many listeners 39 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: up there, and I just inevitably fail. That is an 40 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: annual failure on my part. So so John, I'm putting 41 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: the pressure on here because you were trying to help 42 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: me achieve one of my yearly goals. Can you do that? Yeah, 43 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: I can, I can help. I'll try to represent as 44 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: best as I can for the Northies. Uh. So that said, then, John, 45 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: can you just give me a little background as to 46 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: who you are and you're hunting experiences leading up to 47 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: this point and uh, and what kind of brings you 48 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: here today? Sure? Sure, So I've been in Maine for 49 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: about twenty five years. UM. I came really is a 50 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: building contractor. That's what brought me to the area. UM, 51 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: and the building market was quite strong. So I'm on 52 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: the coast of main Um. Pretty much when you come 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: into a when you crossed the border down in New Hampshire, 54 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: you sort of parallel the coast and you just start 55 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: to go east. You don't really go north anymore. And 56 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: so we're we're on that kind of end of that 57 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: uh direction of going east on the coast. And um, 58 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: that's sort of what brought me to the area. I 59 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: found myself uh in my way into deer hunting kind 60 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: of late in the game. I didn't really start to 61 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: deer hunt until my early twenties. UM. I shot my 62 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: first year when I was about twenty two years old 63 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: and I was all by myself. I didn't really have 64 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: anybody to sort of mentor um. And it's sorta been 65 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: that way all the way through. You know. I just 66 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: sort of had the opportunity, um to just sort of 67 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: venture out, and UM it's been sort of that's kind 68 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: of been my road so um. So, So we we 69 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: like to hunt big deer, you know, big mature white tails. UM. 70 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: I think hunting is one of those things that you know, 71 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: is um in the eye of the beholder, you know, 72 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: I like to I like to chase big deer, but UM, 73 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: I think it's great just to be out there. And 74 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: some people need to just go out and shoot a 75 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: deer and put it in the freezer. And and I 76 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: certainly understand that too. UM. But our passion uh is 77 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: really big mature white tail UM. To us. That's you know, 78 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: at the year that's five years or older. You know, 79 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: that's really when we feel that years is mature. UM. 80 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: They're hard to find, but they're out there, and we 81 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time looking for them, um and 82 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: then keeping an eye on them. We sort of follow 83 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: them along. You know. We get pretty excited when we 84 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: find you know, three year olds, and and then we 85 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: can stay on him until four and then we're pretty 86 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: confident they're settled down enough, they're gonna be there, and 87 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: and um, we keep an eye on them for a 88 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: while and and uh, sometimes we get an opportunity at them. 89 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: You know, so much of so much of the white 90 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: tail hunting media out there, this podcast included, uh kind 91 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: of comes out of the Midwest or of some part 92 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: of the agricultural world that part of the country. So 93 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: a lot of the tactics and strategies and the dear 94 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,679 Speaker 1: behavior you hear about is is kind of centered around 95 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: that stuff. We I'm curious from you is is how 96 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: much of that stuff is applicable to what you do 97 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: or how your dear behave or do you feel like 98 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: you're you're operating on a totally different playbook because the 99 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: deer and the habitat and the strategies needed are so 100 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: different up in the Northeast. Yeah, Um, I think it's 101 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: really it's very very different. Um. A lot of it 102 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: just starts with the way the land is managed, you know, 103 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we're heavily heavily would it, so we don't 104 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: have a lot of hag UM. So it's very easy 105 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: for these deer to hide and and mature. UM. But 106 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: that being said, it's also very difficult to find them. UM. 107 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: So our hunting strategies I think are quite a bit 108 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: different from the Midwest. UM. We can hunt um pretty much. 109 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: The law in Maine is that if it's not posted, 110 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: you can hunt it. And so that's very different than 111 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: than most of the rest of the country, where you know, 112 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: you have leases and privately and and stuff that you 113 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: just can't access. So so we can hunt in a 114 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: lot of different places, and I think that is one 115 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: of the reasons, UM, we've had such great success because 116 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,119 Speaker 1: we can move around very easily. If if one piece 117 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: isn't working or or we don't have a mature deer 118 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: on that piece of ground at any given time, you know, 119 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: we can just move. And you know, we have a 120 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: lot of ground that we cover UM. So you know 121 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: we have that working for us. UM. But you know, 122 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: I don't have a field that I don't have a 123 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: seventy five acre bean field that I can blast, you know, 124 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: preseason or even during the season and and start to 125 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: figure out patterns of of mature deer and where they're 126 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: coming out. UM. That just doesn't exist. Um, we have 127 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: you know, ten acre fields, a pretty big field on 128 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: the coast. We can have some eg but it's a 129 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: little more inland. And uh, and then when you go 130 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: up north, you know there's quite a bit of blueberry 131 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: ground up there and potato fields, broccoli fields, things like that. Um, 132 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: but the deer, the deer don't behave the same here. 133 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: You know. They they have an extremely wide variety of 134 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: um forage that they you know, they browse, they they 135 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: eat so many different things. And I'm sure they do 136 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: in the Midwest too, but but in Maine, it's it's 137 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: just amazing how they can survive. Um, you know, in 138 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: these mature um stands of fur and spruce and uh, 139 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, eating mushrooms and browsing on things. And I 140 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: mean the amount of food, the amount of different variety 141 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: of food that they consume in one day, I think, 142 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: is it's just it's just mind bottling. Yeah, it seems 143 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: like given that, you know, there's so many different food sources, 144 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: there's so much timber that deer could be bettered. I'd 145 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: imagine in so many different locations. It's got to be 146 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: really hard just to find them, to find where you 147 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: need to start. How do you start that process? For 148 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: you guys? How do you find that beginning point where 149 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: those deer are? Yeah? So, so we really, you know, 150 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: to hunt these big mature deer. I mean we really 151 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: we use cameras a lot. Um. I wish I could 152 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: I could sort of deny that, but I can't. You know, 153 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: we we use um these yeah, I mean, you know, 154 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: I'm kind of of the old school, right. I really 155 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: don't like the technology. I don't like it when that, 156 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, comes into play, especially when your harvest a 157 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: big mature deer. But I don't really know how else 158 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: to do it in the Northeast, you know, if you're 159 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: really looking for those mature, mature white tail, Um, you can't. 160 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: You can't just expect that you're just going to go 161 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: out and sit in the woods and find one. I 162 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: mean you might. I I kind of believe that everybody 163 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: gets um, you know, a lucky buck in their hunting career, 164 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: you know, or they might get a lucky buck um 165 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: one that they just happened happened to you know, sort 166 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: of get on. I mean that how happened to me once? 167 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: And um, you know, I was both hunting and I 168 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: was hunting in a new area, and UM, I really 169 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: didn't know what was in there. I just had seen 170 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: really good sign and I pushed up in there and 171 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: and I shot a beautiful, you know, mature, um white tail, 172 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: and and that was my lucky buck. You know, I 173 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: didn't really know, I didn't even know he was there. 174 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: But is that going to happen again? Probably not, you know, 175 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: I I doubt it. Um. So we so we we 176 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: find them, um, and then you know, we just collect, 177 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: we continue to collect information, We take notes, We actually 178 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: keep log books. UM. Now with the pictures, it's it's 179 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: really easy to organize, you know, all of that information 180 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: so that we can see you know, when particular thero 181 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: in certain areas at different times of the year, and 182 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: UM we can. We've I've made a lot of conclusions, 183 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: um about deer and deer behavior based on all of 184 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: that logged information, especially when you when you chase these 185 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: deer for multiple years. UM. You know we've had some dyear. Well, 186 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: well bigfoot that we shot last season, you know, we 187 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: had been chasing that deer for six years. UM, so 188 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: we had a lot of intel on him. UM. We 189 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: had studied him for quite a while. So Um, that's 190 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: how we that's really the key to how we kind 191 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: of zero in on where the deer are at at 192 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: a given time and and sort of the most valuable 193 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: piece of information for us is is where that deer lives. 194 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: You know, where what is his home? You know, where's 195 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: his bedroom. And once we get that figured out, um, 196 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: we can then you know, sort of develop a haunting strategy. Um. So, 197 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: so that's that's the that's really the critical piece that 198 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: we're looking for is really where his bedroom is. And 199 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: sometimes we pinned that down by just finding out where 200 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: he isn't you know. It's like we'll put cameras out 201 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: and that information is valuable to us as as where 202 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: he is, you know, because then then we can we 203 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: can cross areas out and say, well, you know, early 204 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: part of September, he's just not he's not in this 205 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: zone at all. And and then you know, we don't 206 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: have to worry about that piece, you know, and the 207 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: dear behavior gets pretty solidified, especially when they get at 208 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: that old you know, they really start to to um 209 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: sort of become creatures of habit um, and we see 210 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: them repeat themselves year after year sometimes you know too 211 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: within the week is not even to the day. And 212 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: and it's really bizarre when you start seeing that and 213 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: kind of map out It's crazy. Now, what about where 214 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 1: you specifically put these cameras when you're trying to get 215 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: that intel, whether it's just to to figure out if 216 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: there's a good deer in this general area, or when 217 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: you're trying to find the bedroom of a specific buck. 218 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: It seems so different than what I'm doing here in 219 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: the Midwest, where I can you know, you set cameras 220 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: on a scrape, on a field edge, or you know 221 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: there's an obvious pinch point between two fields. There's much 222 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: more clear cut sign and evidence of okay, this is 223 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: a good spout to put a camera, or some states 224 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: you can put out bait or a mineral or something. 225 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: How do you get your cameras set and how do 226 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: you put them in spots that they're actually going to 227 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: get pictures in the intel you need. Yeah, well, we 228 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: can't do any of that baiting. Um Well, I mean, 229 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: you can feed deer after a certain time in the 230 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: year after the hunting season closes and stuff like that. Um, 231 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: but we can't really do that when we're trying to collect, 232 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, information that's going to be kind of critical 233 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: for hunting. Um. So it's we do the same thing. 234 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: I mean, we have scrapes, you know, scrape lines that 235 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: will put cameras on. Um. We have a lot of 236 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: natural food source that we feel like that deer are 237 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: going to go to first, like, for instance, apples. You know, 238 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: we have a lot of wild apple trees, and that 239 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: to us is a real go to. Um. You know 240 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: deer well, um, you know, every apple, every wild apple 241 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: taste different and the deer know it, you know, and 242 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: so and so do we. I mean, we pick him 243 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: up all the time and we're like, apple is no good, 244 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: this one's really good. Well, pretty much parallels for the deer. 245 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: You know, if you like it, they like it. And um. 246 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: So so that's one of the places we get a 247 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: lot of our early season information because those apples start 248 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: falling and then you know it is that deer under 249 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: that apple tree at two o'clock in the morning, there's 250 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: the under that apple tree, you know, in the last 251 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: hour daylight, and then that's going to give you you know, 252 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: from that you can make conclusions on well, how far 253 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: away was it when he got up? And so you know, 254 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: we started rowing it down like that UM. And I'm 255 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: not gonna say that we know just exactly where that 256 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: deer is betted. But you know, we like to think 257 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: that we can get, you know, basically within a few 258 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: hundred yards of where that deer is um. And I 259 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: think sometimes we're even a lot closer than that. UM. 260 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: But but if you can, you know, if you can't 261 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: get that close, then you've got you know, you've got 262 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: a pretty good chance when he gets on his feet, 263 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: if you still got an hour daylight, uh, Um, you 264 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: know you're gonna you're gonna increase the chances of you know, 265 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: intercepting that deer. UM. So I don't particularly like to 266 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: have cameras in spots where we are going to hunt. Um. 267 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: But that being said, I mean the reason I can 268 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: say that is because a lot of these deer, we 269 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: we study for multiple years. So UM, I can eventually, 270 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, make that conclusion that this is where I'm 271 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: probably gonna hunt it, this is where we're gonna have 272 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: our best chance of intercepting. And so let's not put 273 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: a camera in there now. But but the year before 274 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: I might have had a camera there, or even during 275 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: even the year before that. So UM, I feel like 276 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: the deer are a lot more sensitive to cameras than 277 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: any of us really believe. And we've started putting cameras 278 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: up really high. We we oftentimes will climb trees, you know, 279 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: we'll take sticks in with us and you know, get 280 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: ten feet up in a tree and name the camera 281 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: almost you know, not straight down, but on an angle. 282 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: We we collect less information that way, but I feel 283 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: like getting it, you know, out of sight is a 284 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: really good idea. UM. So we you know, Bigfoot, the 285 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: steer that we just killed last season, UM, I really 286 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: believe that. UM. We killed him because of the decision 287 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: we made not to put cameras in where we were 288 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: going to hunt him. UM. We had done that every 289 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: year prior. And I think just that foot traffic of 290 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: going in and checking those cameras, UM was enough to 291 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: just give him the edge and push him, you know, 292 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: a few hours back. UM, and he was you know, 293 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: his activity was he was still coming into that area. 294 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: He would tolerated a little bit, but it was always 295 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, nocturnal movement. So UM, you know, I I 296 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: think you can overdo it with cameras really easily. UM. 297 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: But But on the other hand, I don't think we 298 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: can do what we do without him, you know. So 299 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: it's one of those double edged sword. It's a fine line. 300 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: So so this buck bigfoot, um I saw. I watched 301 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: the hunt for this buck on on this new show 302 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: that you're part of called Sea Bucks, and it's a 303 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: wild situation because I think this is absolutely has to 304 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: be pointed out. This big buck that you were hunting. 305 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: You killed him on an island in the ocean, right, 306 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: I mean off the coast of Maine. You were taking 307 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: a boat into across the water to an island. How 308 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: does everything you just described with your trail cameras in 309 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: that kind of scouting is that is that applies directly 310 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: to the island hunting just as much as the mainland 311 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: big woods hunting. Orde to do things different on the islands, 312 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: um No, I think you know, our strategy is kind 313 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: of the same in terms of trying to zero in 314 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: on that core area for the deer, the home base. 315 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: But but you know, the island just it's that island 316 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: hunting thing just brings a whole mother set of challenges, 317 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, just from everything from the water crossings to 318 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: being out there to matv gaistion. You know, in the 319 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: dark you know, overnight weather, all that stuff. Um. But 320 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: these islands that we're hunting, you know, most of them 321 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: are um you know, it takes about half an hour 322 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: to an hour and a half to run in a 323 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: small skiff out to them. UM. So you know, we 324 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: we as much as we like to hunt out there, 325 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: there's just a whole lot of time that we can't 326 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: even get out there because of the weather. UM. So 327 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: we have a we have a you know, we always 328 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: have a backup land. We know when we want to go, 329 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: but oftentimes we can't get out there then, um and 330 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: we get pushed off or sometimes we get stuck out 331 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: there too um longer than we to anticipate it. So 332 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: it just it brings a whole another level of of 333 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,239 Speaker 1: sort of challenges to it, which we really like, you know, 334 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: we're into that sort of expedition style hunting. Um. But 335 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: but really, I mean, I think that the information we're 336 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: collecting is the same whether we're on an island or 337 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: whether we're in a you know, what we might consider 338 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: like a fifteen hundred acre block of woods that were 339 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: that we're working on, and you know, so it's it's 340 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: it's the same same concept. Can you can you walk 341 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: me through that process with Bigfoot, because it sounds like 342 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: it was many, many years long of trying to figure 343 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: out this buck. And I'm curious in particular about the 344 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: unique aspects given that it was an island. I gotta 345 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: imagine access is really unique. How your wind is manipulated 346 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: by the island or just by the fact that you 347 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: blow your wind out of the water. I don't know. 348 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm very intrigued by that whole thing. UM. 349 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: Could you walk us through from the from the beginning 350 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: of how you have found this island, that buck everything? Yeah? Yeah, Well, 351 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: so we had a lot of different islands, you know, 352 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: we don't just it's not just one. UM. Maine has 353 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: this very unique coastal island opportunity that UM starts in 354 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: September and it's I think it's been about nineteen years 355 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: now that they've had coastal island hunting and it started 356 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: because they needed that the there to be managed out 357 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: on the islands. You know, people aren't really going out 358 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: to them, and the deer populations were such that they wanted, 359 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, more deer to be taken off the islands. 360 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: So they gave us additional tags UM, which really is 361 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: as a hunter, particularly as a bow hunter, was a 362 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: real bonus because Maine is pretty is pretty much always 363 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: been a one tag state. So you you you're geting, 364 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: you're given one tag, and you know, if you're an 365 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: upcoming bow hunter and you need to get that experience, 366 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard because you get you know, if 367 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: you're lucky, you get to shoot one deer and you're done. 368 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: Um and we all know how much sort of unfold 369 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: after you take that shot. I mean that's that's sort 370 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: of you know, half the hunt right there, if not 371 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: more than half the hunt. And um So so this 372 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: island opportunity was huge for us, you know, and we 373 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: started going out there year one out two different islands, 374 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: um and we would you know, we would harvest does. 375 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: You could harvest multiple does. You could shoot a second bock, 376 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: um a second to your mainland tag. Um. So it 377 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: was a really great opportunity for us to develop, you know, 378 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: hunting skills. Um. So that's kind of how we got 379 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: into it. And then you know, it just evolved to 380 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: the point where I think deer numbers started to come 381 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: into check and um, we we're less you know, excited 382 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: about shooting does and we sort of were more excited about, 383 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, zeroing in on bigger, mature white tails, and um, 384 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: we found that you know, if you let these deer 385 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: walk you know, if you have a two year old 386 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: or a three year old, you know, you really are 387 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: opening the door to something much bigger, um unfolding for you. 388 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: And and um, that was you know, that was just 389 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: kind of part of that whole learning curve for us, 390 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, I mean we we were very much like 391 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: a lot of people, whereas that first book that walked in, 392 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, and if you had to a shot, you 393 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: took it, you know, and I think for a lot 394 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: of folks that's that's main you know, that is the 395 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: hunting opportunity in Maine. And I don't have you know, 396 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with that. I completely understand that. 397 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: But but we we we a long time ago we 398 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: decided to just sort of let those deer walk by 399 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: and and and then sort of see what was going 400 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: to happen. And we realized, wow, there's we we really 401 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: have some giants, you know, we have some old deer. Um. 402 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: So that's that's where it all started, you know, That's 403 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: how this whole island thing started. For us and then um, 404 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: you know, we've just taken it to the point where, um, 405 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: we have access to different islands. Again. UM, some of 406 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: the islands are are privately owned, UM, some of them 407 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: are UM owned by the states, some of them have 408 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: conservation easements. So there's sort of a different package of 409 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: goods that come with every every island. And so we 410 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time um, sort of analyzing that 411 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: and trying to figure out, you know, where we can 412 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: and where we can't hunt, and if we can't hunt, 413 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: what we can and can't do um. And so so 414 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: then we we sort of take that to access in 415 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: terms of how far away the island is, what's involved, 416 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: what kind of piece of water we have to cross. 417 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: We use these small eighteen foot lund Alaskan boats, um, 418 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: which are which are quite seaworthy, but it doesn't take 419 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: much to to put yourself in a compromised position, you know. UM. 420 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: So so we are you know, we're constantly kind of 421 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: dictated by sees, winds, direction, storms, things like that. UM. 422 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 1: So so with that in mind, you know, having a 423 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: lot of different opportunities, a lot of different islands that 424 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: you can go to is really helpful because you can UM, 425 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: you can kind of based off the weather, you can 426 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 1: adjust your plans. UM. You know, some of them are 427 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: are further than others. UM. And then we often get 428 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: out there and we camp um for you know, a 429 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: week at a time. UM. And then we we usually 430 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: access our tree stands via kayaks, so when we're going out, 431 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: we're we also have these sit on top kayaks until 432 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: UM and we found that UM, those really have increased 433 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: our our chances are our odds in terms of getting 434 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: close to deer, just because we don't have to use 435 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: an aluminum boat. UM. Throwing an anchor in, you know, 436 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: even even when you're being just as quiet as you 437 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: possibly can your hundred yards offshore, you throw that anchor in, 438 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: or you came in with your your outboard. UM, it 439 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: just it just sets the deer off. So uh, four 440 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: or five years ago we started UM sort of camping 441 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: in one spot, and then we'll paddle a mile or 442 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: two sometimes sort of sometimes we'll so can navigate the 443 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: island if we have to paddle all the way around 444 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: the other side, so that we can come and really 445 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: quietly with these kayaks. UM. We have a you know, 446 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: we have a twelve foot tied here in Maine, so 447 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of water moving in and out. It's 448 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: a very rocky shoreline. So UM, these kayaks are nice 449 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: because you can come in at low tide and you 450 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: can pick them right up and and walk them up 451 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: to the high tie line and tie into a tree 452 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: and you can actually you know, so we use ocean kayak. 453 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: That's what we have been really you know, happy with um. 454 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: They make a lot of different sizes and um. The 455 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: other thing I really like about those boats is their 456 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: their field hulls. So um it's kind of like a 457 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: big floating you know, barge if you will. And UM, 458 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: it's just a piece of mind knowing that you have 459 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: a couple of those in tow or even in your 460 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: boat with you when you're in some compromised, um conditions 461 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: that you know, the waters water is pretty cold. You 462 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: can't you can't survive in the main water for very long, 463 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: even in September. Um. So knowing that you have something 464 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: that's not thinkable, um is a peace of mind, you know. UM. 465 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: So then you know, we we we we sort of 466 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: take advantage of being on the island for that block 467 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: of time, you know, week at a time, and UM, 468 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: we don't we don't push it. The wind is is 469 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: really complicated, um, because you know, it gets affected by 470 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: the rising in the setting of the sun and then 471 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: just what happens on the water, the direction of the swell. 472 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes we'll think the wind is perfect, we'll 473 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: go to access our standing, will will round a point 474 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: on the island, and we'll start to go into our standard. 475 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: It's exactly the opposite of what we thought it was, 476 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, and that's just something that you have to 477 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: have to deal with. UM. That particular hunt on big Foot, Uh, 478 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: we we had to give up quite a bit for 479 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: that hunt. That was a sit that, UM, we knew 480 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: the chances were really good based on the information we'd 481 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: collected on that dear over the years, that he would 482 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: he would still be right in that zone. UM. But 483 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: I remember walking in and UM feeling like we were 484 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: giving up probably of what we were trying to hunt. UM. 485 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: But it was it was one of those decisions that 486 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: we made because I felt pretty confident about the rest 487 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 1: of what we had, you know, UM, and I think 488 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: I think that's you know, that's it. That's very different 489 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: than hunting the mainland, you know, like you know, when 490 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: you're on an island you kind of you have you 491 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of places you can go. Um, 492 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: so you definitely have to be flexible. You have to 493 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 1: be willing to give up a little more, um in 494 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: terms of win direction and stuff like that. Can you 495 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: can you describe this area, like where was this area 496 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: that you zeroed in on him? What was the kind 497 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: of stuff he was living in? Where did you learn 498 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: over those previous years, Because didn't you have three or 499 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: four or five years of history with pictures and stuff 500 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: leading up to this particular hunt. Yes, we did. We 501 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: had five years for the pictures with him, so um yeah, 502 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: so um. I you know it was he was He 503 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: came into what what I would call sort of an 504 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: old apple orchard, uh, sort of homestead area. There was 505 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: an old stone foundation. You know, you wouldn't really see 506 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: it unless you really spend a lot of time there, 507 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: but but there was an old stone foundation there, and um, 508 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 1: so you know he it was. It was an edge basically, 509 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: he was not far from what we would consider to 510 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: be an edge here in the northeast. You know, it 511 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: was it was a sort of transition from mature pine 512 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: spruce um forest with some elevation that then broke out 513 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: into sort of a fern area and then um got 514 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: into some growth that you would see kind of uh 515 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: might have grown up in an old field, you know, 516 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,959 Speaker 1: which is very different than that pine spruce you know 517 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,719 Speaker 1: stand and um. You know, as we all know, a 518 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: lot of you know, dear love the edge, right, and 519 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: so they're always kind of they're always kind of on 520 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: that edge. And UM, so he came, you know, he 521 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: was probably bettered in the in the shade on a knole. 522 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: Uh when we set up on him. I think he 523 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: was probably a hundred and fifty yards away from us 524 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: at most. Um. And UM, you know, I think it 525 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: was it was so early. It was like four thirty 526 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: in the afternoon, you know, it was. I mean we've 527 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: been in the tree for you know, maybe settled down 528 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: for half an hour. And UM I saw bigfoot pick 529 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: his head up, and and I and and the thing 530 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: that's so incredible about that is we have never seen 531 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: this year. You know, we have pictures of them, but 532 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: we have never seen him with our eyes. UM. So 533 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: when he picked his head up, I I just you know, 534 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: basically I like weed one, you know, because just because 535 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: I saw him, you know that was like, what whether 536 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: I was going to get a chance to shoot him 537 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: or not. I mean he was like seventy yards away, 538 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: and I got well, you know, I don't know if 539 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna if it's gonna go our way or not. 540 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: But but we got to see him. You know, that 541 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: was a huge victory. Um. And so but then it 542 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: was like, you know, it was like everything we knew 543 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: was was correct about him. I mean he did just exactly. 544 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: It was like he was on the hooking line, you know. 545 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: I mean he just came right down what we expected 546 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: him to do. He just he was going right to 547 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: a particular apple treat which are are our information said 548 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: that that was a tree that was his preference, That 549 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: was the apple that he liked the most. That was 550 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: always the apple that fell first. You know, I mean 551 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: those little things like that. You know, if you study 552 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,959 Speaker 1: an area long enough, you figure that stuff out. You know. 553 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: It's like we knew that that tree didn't produce a 554 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: lot of apples. They were sweet, they would fall early, 555 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: um and that and that, you know, oftentimes we would 556 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: get pictures of him and um, we happened to run 557 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: a couple of cameras in this area and so um 558 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: years prior, and so you know we would be we 559 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: could make those conclusions. He came there, he ate that 560 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: apple first half an hour later, maybe he was over 561 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: on another one. UM, but that's where we were set up, 562 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: and he just came right in and he just, you know, 563 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: he just did exactly what we thought he was going 564 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: to do. UM. I was afraid to stop him. I mean, 565 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: anybody that watches that footage can show and there's probably 566 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: after wonder why did they stop him? And I just 567 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: I was afraid, you know, I was afraid to just 568 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: introduce anything other than what was absolutely natural for him. 569 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: And um, and I just thought he was gonna bolt. 570 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: So so when I shot him, you know, he got 571 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: a half a step on me. You know, he was 572 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: walking through the trees and there was he can't really 573 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: tell from the footage, but there was quite a few 574 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: young poplar trees that were in there, and you know 575 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: those are definitely working on me when I made that shot. 576 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: And um, but he got a he got a half 577 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: a step on me. And you know my arrow was 578 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: six inches further back than I wanted it to be. 579 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: And I knew it, you know, immediately, I knew exactly 580 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: what had happened, but I knew I also knew he 581 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: was that he was dead deer, you know, so it's 582 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: just going to be a hard recovery. Would you look 583 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: that that dear really taught us a lot? Yeah? Would 584 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: you do anything different looking back on it? Specifically on 585 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: the shot? I know you recovered him, but it was 586 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: a tough recovery. Um, did you do what you had 587 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: to do? Or would did you learn something from that 588 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: you would change next time around? Um? Well, I mean, 589 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: I I don't think I've ever been on a track 590 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: that I haven't learned, you know, something or a lot 591 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: of things. Um, but UM no, I don't. I you 592 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: know that's that it was what it was? I I, um, 593 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, in hindsight, could I have waited, you know, 594 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: he was going to pick up an apple? I couldn't 595 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: maybe waited for him to get to that apple and 596 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: shot him. But I might have had a tree in 597 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: the way too, you know. I mean I usually make 598 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: those decisions on instinct, and my instincts told me that 599 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: it was time to shoot him. Uh. I knew Josh 600 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: I had the camera on him. I knew, I knew 601 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: everything was good on that end. Josh and I have 602 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,719 Speaker 1: spent so much time in the woods, and um, I 603 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: just knew he would, you know, he was gonna let 604 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: me know if there was a problem, and and uh 605 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: so I knew Josh was good. Um I don't think 606 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: it shows in the footage, but when the deer came in, 607 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: I had a really good shot at him, but Josh 608 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: didn't have the camera on him, you know, or he 609 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: had the camera on him, but there was a tree 610 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: in the way, and so he told me not to shoot. 611 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: So I kind of I did have an opportunity prior, 612 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: um just to shoot him pretty much broadside. Um. So 613 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,479 Speaker 1: you know, I mean that that's that's hunting, you know, 614 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: and you have to go with your instinct. Um that 615 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: liver HiT's always a hard one. I think that you 616 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: have to know, you have to know, um you know 617 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: what to do about it. I think it's a it's 618 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: a deer that is very recoverable. It's just you just 619 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: need to know, you know how to go about those 620 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: those steps. And I've seen liver shot dear, you know, 621 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: survived for a long time. So, um so we knew, 622 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, we knew we had to get out. And 623 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: I was surprised that he was still alive when we 624 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: got to him. But it didn't it. I've seen it 625 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: happen before. You know, Um, I don't think he had 626 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: much life left it What have you gotten up? I 627 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: think he would have gotten up and he would have 628 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: ran if I hadn't shot him again. But um, I 629 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: don't think he would have gotten far, you know, I 630 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: mean it would have been it would have been a 631 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: pretty easy track to follow. Um. But I'm glad it 632 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: unfolded the way it did and I got that second 633 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: arrow in him, and and um, even you know he's 634 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: a warrior. Even after that, he uh, you know, he 635 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: still had his head up when we gave him a 636 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: half an hour after I shot him right through the lungs. 637 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: You know, he he laid on the ground. He's still 638 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: alive half an hour later after you know, sixteen hour 639 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: liver hit. You know, he didn't bleed at all from 640 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: from the second shot to where he laid and died. Um, 641 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: he he didn't have any blood left. You know. So 642 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: these these big maturity are absolutely incredible. Um. I mean, 643 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: Josh said it really well. He just said that they 644 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: are so good at living and he is, I mean 645 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: he couldn't have said it any better. They are just 646 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: absolutely incredible survivors. They really are. You can't help but 647 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: respect him, that's for sure. So so a question for 648 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: you when it comes a little bit more to the 649 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: the lessons you've learned just hunting all these different islands, 650 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: because I gotta believe that that some of the things 651 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: you're doing are applicable to people that are hunting islands 652 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: and other parts of the country. There's there's river bottom islands, 653 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: there's islands in may inland lakes that might hold deer. 654 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: I can think of a few in the in the 655 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: Great Lake area that have deer that this might be applicable. 656 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: Other than the access deal with the kayaks, are there 657 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: any other little tricks that uniquely work for you when 658 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: hunting islands that are different than what you do on 659 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 1: the mainland. I'm wondering. I guess it's a two part question. 660 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: I do this is a bad habit, but that's part 661 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: one of the question. Part part two of the question 662 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: is can you get away with more aggressiveness on an 663 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: island because these deer live on this island. They don't 664 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: want to hop in the river or hop in the 665 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,240 Speaker 1: water and swim to the mainland or swim to another island. 666 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: They're they're gonna put up with you pushing in a 667 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: little bit more like you're not gonna blow them out 668 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: of the country. Is that true or is that not true? 669 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: So that's my two part question. Yeah, well, let me 670 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: get the second part of that first. You know, most 671 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: of the islands that we hunt, the deer don't leave 672 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: um um. That being said, you know, deer have been spotted, 673 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: you know, often by lobstra man and things like that, 674 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: you know, swimming you know, from the mainland at an 675 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 1: island or or or often an island back to the mainland. 676 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: But the characters that we have chased over the years 677 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: have pretty much always been there. You know, they don't 678 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: leave um. And you know, most of these islands are 679 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: are a mile to say, five miles offshore, you know, 680 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: so it's a pretty big commitment for them to leave. 681 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: I think they could leave if there was enough hunting pressure, 682 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: they might choose to um. But but they what we 683 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: have found is that they stay there um and and 684 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: are our pressure UM which is really not a lot 685 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,760 Speaker 1: um you know, allows them to to sort of stay 686 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, in their core um. I don't think. I 687 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: don't think we often blow them out. UM. So UM, 688 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: that is I think probably the second part to your question, 689 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: the first part um, you know, I'm there's just a 690 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: lot of techniques to it, um in strategies with this 691 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: whole boat access thing, I think, UM, I think there's 692 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: a lot to gain from from that, you know, from 693 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,439 Speaker 1: the whole it's a lot of extra steps. I feel 694 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: it's really worth it because you're gonna get You're gonna 695 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 1: find yourself in a place that a lot of people 696 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: just aren't going to go to. UM, and that being 697 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: the case if you're hunting big mature dear, you know, 698 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 1: that's that's what what we consider to be like percentage points. 699 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: You know, will and I my son William, we have 700 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: this sort of joke. We do some really crazy stuff, 701 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, to hunt these white tail and um, oftentimes 702 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: we'll do something and we'll look at each other and 703 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: we're like, you know, this is not you know, like 704 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: can you believe we're doing this? And then one of 705 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: us will say something like, well it's maybe two points 706 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: or maybe it's half a point, you know, and it's 707 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: like we we sort of stack up all these little 708 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: moves and in into these percentage points and you know, 709 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: obviously the big piece of it, you know, I I 710 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: believe there's there's a luck involved, right, and that's one chunk. 711 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: But then there's all of this gained you know, uh, 712 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: percentage that you can do by your actions. And UM, 713 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: so we we do as much as we can. I mean, 714 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: if we can think of it, we do it, you know, 715 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 1: to sort of stack the odds in our favor. And 716 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: then you know there's there's really the the year, you know, 717 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: and and um, you know, at the end of it all, 718 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, he gets up and walks to us, right, 719 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: so it's like whether that's going to happen or not. 720 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: I guess that kind of goes back into the bucket 721 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: a lock, you know, But um, that's what happens at 722 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: the end. You know, we're there, We've put ourselves there, 723 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: We've studied an area, we get set up. We're very 724 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: portable mobile, you know, we don't rarely do we have 725 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: stands that are just like the stand. You know, we 726 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: move around a lot. We have really small, lightweight stuff. 727 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,720 Speaker 1: We usually use, um climbing sticks, portable climbing sticks. UM. 728 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: We rarely leave anything behind. UM in these areas because 729 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: we well, for one, we just we don't want to 730 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: We don't want other people to know really where we're hunting, 731 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: and we just want to respect, you know, the right 732 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: to be there. And so generally we walk in and 733 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: walk out with our stuff. Um, So you know that's 734 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: kind of our approach. I really do believe there's a 735 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,919 Speaker 1: lot to be gained though, if you want to put 736 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: the time in for water access. So are there any 737 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: tricks you've learned over the years when it comes to 738 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: water access, whether it be you know, how you organize 739 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: your kayak or I don't know, are there anything specifically 740 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to boating or kayaking into a hunting 741 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: location to make it either quieter or more efficient, more 742 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: effective or safer anything like that. Yeah, well, I mean 743 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: one thing I will say is you do you do 744 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: sort of have to have a plan A and a 745 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: plan B, and you have to be flexible um because 746 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: the water, you know, just poses um you know, a 747 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: lot of uh, a lot of risk um and so 748 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: rarely do or we ever, in a situation where we 749 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: don't have gear, even if we're checking cameras, you know, 750 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: we have a water bag that's got to sleeping bag 751 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: and stuff like that in it. And you know, we 752 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: just be prepared to not be able to sort of 753 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: you know, execute plan A and know that maybe it's 754 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: gonna be planned B. I mean, we've been stuck out 755 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: on islands for three or four days longer than we 756 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: wanted to be UM just because of weather. UM. So 757 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 1: you know, I think that UM, the safety, I think 758 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 1: it was one that I would say, you really really 759 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: have to have that organized. You know, navigation is really important. 760 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: We have a lot of fog and Maine. UM. There 761 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: are times when you know, it's like we call a 762 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: peace soup. You know, you just can't even see anything 763 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: in front of you. And you know, without like we 764 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,720 Speaker 1: use on X religiously. I mean that that that app 765 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: is absolutely incredible for us UM and and and you know, 766 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,280 Speaker 1: I mean there are times when we're in a kayak 767 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: and you can't see the shore, you know, and you're like, well, 768 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, or you can't see your point of access, 769 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: Like we have to paddle for twenty minutes, say, down 770 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 1: the coast line and you know, hit our hit our 771 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: trail to go into a stand and you can't see anything, 772 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, and the on X brings is it's it's 773 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,879 Speaker 1: absolutely incredible. It brings us right to our spot. You know. Um, 774 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: a lot of these a lot of these islands. You know, 775 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: we don't have a trail network, so you know a 776 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: lot of times we're just walking through timber to find 777 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: our spot, um that we've marked you know earlier or 778 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: the year before or something like that. Um. But being flexible, 779 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: I think is is really it's really important for the 780 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: whole island or boat boat approach. Um, having a seaworthy boat, 781 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: having a secondary sort of means of of safety, whether 782 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: it's a a rubber boat in tow or whether it's 783 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: a ki act like you sit on tops that we've 784 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 1: been using, is absolutely critical. Um. I know when we 785 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: first started doing this, we didn't have any of that 786 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 1: stuff figured out, and we used to get out there 787 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: and pull our boat up above the high tideline and 788 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: and then we you know, when it was time to go, 789 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: we'd have to wait, you know, for the tide to 790 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,879 Speaker 1: be high to push it back in and all that. 791 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: You know, Now we anchor our boat offshore, and we've 792 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: learned to trust our anchors, which is not always easy 793 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: to do. So man, yeah, it seems it seems like 794 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,360 Speaker 1: a fascinating way to hunt. Um. Now that said, you 795 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: you're finding big old bucks on these islands, but you're 796 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 1: also finding big old bucks on the mainland. Two. Um, absolutely, yeah, 797 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: I know the trail camera aspect is the same across both. 798 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 1: But what about where you're finding these deer or where 799 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: they're betting or feeding? Um? Are there any other things 800 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: now when we're moving to the mainland that changed when 801 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: it comes to your hunting strategy, you're finding is dear sure? Sure? Yeah, 802 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,879 Speaker 1: Well I would sort of add to that a little 803 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: bit and say that that the real attraction for us 804 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: with the island thing is that we can start hunting 805 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: in September. Okay, So so the mainland season opens in 806 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: Maine in October, the mainland both season. Um, so you know, 807 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: we we can hunt for an entire month out on 808 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: the islands, you know, prior to the mainland season opening. 809 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: So that is that is really a big attraction to 810 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 1: us because we go their own that extra month of 811 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: hunting and we get you know, deer movement that is 812 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, I mean there's a lot of changes between 813 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 1: September and October and then November, and so we really 814 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 1: love that month of September. Um, so in order to 815 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 1: do it, we have to go to these islands, you know. 816 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: So then you know, in October it starts to get colder. 817 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: We're hunting the mainland. I think we probably have more 818 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: opportunity for big deer on the mainland than we do 819 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 1: on the islands. UM. I don't. I don't think that that, um. 820 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's uh, it's stacked in our favor 821 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 1: on these islands. We've been successful. But um, but I 822 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: think you're really in terms of finding big deer, and 823 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 1: and it's it's a lot easier to move around for 824 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: us on the mainland, you know. I mean we can 825 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: drive twenty minutes in one der actually and twenty minutes 826 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: in another direction. Kahana piece of ground. Um. You know, 827 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: usually when you're on an island, you're there. You're stuck there. 828 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: That's that's the piece that you're hunting. It's rare for 829 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: us to move from one island to another during a trip, 830 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: you know, we don't generally do that, um, but we 831 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: can do that h in the mainlands. You know, we 832 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: can one one day we can be working on particularly 833 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: during one area, and and two days later we can 834 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,280 Speaker 1: be in an entirely different zone because the winds changed, 835 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 1: you know. Um so so, but we do we we um, 836 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, we we get right after it um in 837 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: October on the mainland. Um. We we generally you know, 838 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: have gotten our island phil um you know by the 839 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: end of September um and then we come back, you know, 840 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: and start hunting the mainland pretty hard. So it seems 841 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 1: like from the outside looking in that it's just hard 842 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: to find bigger or older deer in the Northeast. It's 843 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 1: just it's just hard to find him there. Maybe aren't 844 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,319 Speaker 1: as many antler growth is different than the Midwest. Uh 845 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: So a lot of guys struggled just to find any 846 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: buck that we we've already talked about how how you 847 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: find them this deer with the cameras, But how do 848 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: you actually find those spots where the big old boys are? 849 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,800 Speaker 1: Is it? Is it simply just listening to the cameras 850 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: or are there certain zones or do you have to 851 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: get so many miles off the road, or do you 852 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: have to get so far into the mountains or anything 853 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 1: that you found this unique to where you find the 854 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,799 Speaker 1: big old guys. No, I I mean I think they 855 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,799 Speaker 1: can really surprise you. I can think they can be 856 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: right under your nose sometimes. Um. You know, we shot 857 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,160 Speaker 1: a few years ago. We shot on the mainland. We 858 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: shot a deer that we only had a relationship with 859 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: for two years. Um. He was twelve and a half 860 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 1: years old, and um we we uh we zeroed in 861 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: pretty quickly on where his home range was. Um. We 862 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,759 Speaker 1: didn't shoot him the first year. Obviously the second year, UM, 863 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 1: we ended up shooting him. Uh. At the end of 864 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,759 Speaker 1: it was Thanksgiving Day, so it was pretty much the 865 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,840 Speaker 1: end of the rut, and um he had come back. 866 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: He had left for a while during the rut. I 867 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: don't like hunting the rut it's in Maine or in 868 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: the Northeastern general. I really don't because we can't see 869 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: very much, you know. Uh, A lot of times we're 870 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,719 Speaker 1: hunting in these stands. You know, our effective range, you 871 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: know is is you know, maybe fifty yards a lot 872 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: of times. You know, most of what we hunted a 873 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,760 Speaker 1: boat seat, you know, even with our guns. So, um, 874 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 1: we just can't see very far. Um. So so you know, 875 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: you get a run, you get running activity going on, 876 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,800 Speaker 1: and you're not seeing it now it's happening. It happens 877 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: like it, you know, happens in the Midwest. And and 878 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: I love to hunt in Illinois because I love to 879 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: see I love to see all that stuff, you know. 880 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,920 Speaker 1: And main we just we just kind of have to 881 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: imagine that it's happening. We know what's happening, we just 882 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: can't see it. Um. So um yeah, so so you know, 883 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,440 Speaker 1: but that deer, that that deer that I'm talking about, 884 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 1: we called him the Ranger. And we didn't have a 885 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,240 Speaker 1: lot of experience with him. He wasn't he wasn't deep 886 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: deep in the woods. I mean he was you know, 887 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 1: from from our parking spot. He was thirty five minute 888 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: walk into the woods. You know, that's to us, that's 889 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 1: not very far, you know. Um. And he he was 890 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:52,320 Speaker 1: basically he had developed that home range because of hunting pressure. Um. 891 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 1: That's really what pushes him into That pushed him into 892 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,760 Speaker 1: that zone. Just a place that that people didn't easily 893 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,279 Speaker 1: get up into. It was kind of overlooked. And U 894 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, we figured that out about him. I mean 895 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: I think you know, you start to you start to 896 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: read the land, you know, when you when you study it. 897 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: Um that that was pretty obvious to us. And um, 898 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, I really wanted to shoot that deer with 899 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: my with my bow. I hunted him the first two weeks, uh, 900 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,319 Speaker 1: during the gun season I hunt. I continued to hunt 901 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,400 Speaker 1: him with my bow, and um, I knew I was 902 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: making it harder on myself, but I really want to 903 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 1: get him with my bow. And then it got quick, 904 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: got really cold, and I started to get tired, and um, 905 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: I started taking my gun and and I ended up 906 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,959 Speaker 1: shooting that deer at eighteen yards with my rifle from 907 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: my stand. So and he was twelve and a half 908 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: years old. He was, you know, a big old, big 909 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 1: old main white tail is like just the biggest blockiest 910 00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: head you could imagine. Um, just a tank, absolute tank. 911 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: I think he dressed and it was like two to 912 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: twelve or something like that. But he was he'd been 913 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 1: run out. He was. He was a tired old man. 914 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,839 Speaker 1: When I caught up with him, he had his head 915 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:17,879 Speaker 1: hanging low. Yeah. Yeah, can you describe that that tree 916 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: set up because you killed that buck there? And then 917 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,880 Speaker 1: in your buddy, I think, I think, Josh, he killed 918 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,840 Speaker 1: one in this recent season of sea bucks from that 919 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 1: same tree I heard, And then I think that I 920 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 1: remember hearing one of you guys mentioned that your son 921 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 1: shot or missed a buck there too. So what makes 922 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: this spot other than the pressure pushing deer into it? 923 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,839 Speaker 1: Tell me about the exact setup. What makes that so good? 924 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: Why are these deer coming by your tree like that? Yep, 925 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,719 Speaker 1: that's a great question. Um, it's a knoll. Um, it's 926 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 1: just a it's kind of a go between kind of spot. 927 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,759 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of food there, um, but we 928 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: do we have we have some food, you know, we 929 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: have some oak trees, Like there's an oak stand not 930 00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:01,439 Speaker 1: far from there. Um. You know, it's a hinch to us, 931 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,920 Speaker 1: but it's not a pinch that you would identify like 932 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,320 Speaker 1: that you would walk in and say, oh, look that 933 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,960 Speaker 1: you're going to be pushed down in here, because there 934 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:13,799 Speaker 1: it's not an obvious pinch. But um, but it's it's 935 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 1: hard for me to describe that. But but you know, 936 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: we have those obvious pinches and we found that that 937 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,799 Speaker 1: that deer really don't like them. They just don't want 938 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 1: to go through them. And over the years we've we've 939 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 1: we've stayed away from those kind of spots. But this 940 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,440 Speaker 1: is sort of this is the sort of acceptable pinch. 941 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: You know that white tail will tolerate. So, I mean 942 00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,760 Speaker 1: it has it has that who's going for it? Um, 943 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,280 Speaker 1: But it's nondescript. I mean, you know, it's it's open, 944 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 1: it's mature pine spruce. Um, it's it's it's a little 945 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,880 Speaker 1: bit of high ground that has a little bit of 946 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,360 Speaker 1: swamp edge to it. There is an edge, there is 947 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 1: a there is a definition that happens in there. And 948 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,840 Speaker 1: I think that's why that you like to travel on it, 949 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 1: because there's a swampy you know piece that then you know, 950 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: kind of bleeds into like mature time spruce. Um. William 951 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,320 Speaker 1: missed a big buck up there. You know, I shot 952 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,640 Speaker 1: the ranger there, Josh shop patches there last year. Um, 953 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: I think they just dropped that episode and that that 954 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: was that was a really great hunt. He was you 955 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,239 Speaker 1: know that that year. That morning was with another year 956 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,719 Speaker 1: that we founded it called we call him Slick and 957 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,319 Speaker 1: um we had both of those year twenty yards you know. 958 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,799 Speaker 1: I mean it was like, that's an incredible day in Maine, 959 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know in the northeast, that's 960 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,920 Speaker 1: that's an incredible day, you know. Um. So, but but 961 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: he wouldn't he wouldn't walk through a spot like that 962 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,840 Speaker 1: and go oh, this is this is it, this is 963 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,640 Speaker 1: where I need to set up. It's I think you know, 964 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 1: it came to us by just trying it, you know 965 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: and having a lot of encounters. Um. We did run 966 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,960 Speaker 1: some cameras in there, and we realized that there was 967 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,080 Speaker 1: you know, we call him hundred year trails. You know, 968 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 1: they're they're they're they're really established deer trails. Um. But 969 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: that being said that deer aren't just hammering them every day, 970 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:14,319 Speaker 1: but um, they're they're there. Their trails that represent to us, um, 971 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,960 Speaker 1: a connection between kind of like one zone and another zone. 972 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,200 Speaker 1: And this is kind of in the middle, you know, 973 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: in between those two things. So so we get deer 974 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,960 Speaker 1: that they are moving through, they're not going to stay 975 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,959 Speaker 1: there for very long. UM. So that that's that's that's 976 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: a really incredible spot. Um. And hunting pressure is what 977 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,840 Speaker 1: pushes those do look into that zone, you know. So 978 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 1: so that's where you know, that's where things change. You know, 979 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 1: things change so much through off the season because you 980 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,759 Speaker 1: know those two aren't really there early. You know, they 981 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,719 Speaker 1: start to get up in there once people are are 982 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,120 Speaker 1: climbing around in trees, you know, and and walking in 983 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: and out and driving four wheels around and making a 984 00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,759 Speaker 1: lot of noise. You know, that's what pushes them up 985 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 1: in air. So what are some of the you mentioned 986 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,279 Speaker 1: that this is kind of an acceptable pinch, and it's 987 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,239 Speaker 1: it's it's not obvious, but it's it pushes deer there 988 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,680 Speaker 1: through there a little bit. It seems like that's one 989 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,520 Speaker 1: of the big things that folks need to look for 990 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,840 Speaker 1: in big woods scenarios is you're not gonna see the obvious, 991 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,560 Speaker 1: but there's these little terrain features or habitat edges inside 992 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: the big woods that can kind of pinch or influence 993 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,600 Speaker 1: deer movement. Are there any other examples of that that 994 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: you've seen over the years you can describe for us 995 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 1: just to kind of paint the picture of other things 996 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:38,640 Speaker 1: that guys or girls should be looking for like that. Yeah. Yeah, Um, well, 997 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,239 Speaker 1: you know, I think I think when you're looking at 998 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,280 Speaker 1: at the land, you know, everybody has a different amount 999 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,960 Speaker 1: of ground that they can hunt. You know, I mean 1000 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,719 Speaker 1: we're talking about you know, hundreds of acres, Okay, So 1001 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,960 Speaker 1: so you know that's that's that's where we start to 1002 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,520 Speaker 1: zero in. You know a lot of our habitat and 1003 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,360 Speaker 1: Maine is is kind of all of the same, you 1004 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,080 Speaker 1: know it it doesn't change a lot. We have this 1005 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,439 Speaker 1: you know, mature pine spruce force and you know it's 1006 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,040 Speaker 1: rare to then transition into hardwoods. But if you can 1007 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,960 Speaker 1: find that, if you can find where you have a 1008 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 1: whole lot of something that's the same and then you 1009 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,920 Speaker 1: can zero in on where it changes, that's that's really 1010 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 1: what you want to look for, because that's that's what 1011 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: the deer. You know, there's less of that, right so 1012 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,920 Speaker 1: that so that's going to be attractive to the deer 1013 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 1: for for a number of reasons, you know, just because 1014 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,200 Speaker 1: of daylight, you know, because of sunlight, because of different 1015 00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,480 Speaker 1: food source, because of the change you know that's happening 1016 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,120 Speaker 1: when you transition from one to the other. Um, that's 1017 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 1: that's really the key. And so we look, you know, 1018 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 1: we look for that. We can say, oh, this is 1019 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,640 Speaker 1: a two block of you know, mature pine spruce. It's 1020 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,439 Speaker 1: all dead, rotten and blowing over. Well, I mean that's 1021 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,719 Speaker 1: great deer habitat. But they need more than that. So 1022 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,440 Speaker 1: then we start saying, okay, where, you know, where does 1023 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,960 Speaker 1: it change? What what are the what are the you know, 1024 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,760 Speaker 1: is their field is their meadow out here? As there swamp, 1025 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,319 Speaker 1: you know, and then we start studying those areas you 1026 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,400 Speaker 1: know where where where it changes. Um. But the big 1027 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,279 Speaker 1: mature you know, pine spruce force, it's all blowing down 1028 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,240 Speaker 1: is great betting for deer. I mean, they love that stuff. 1029 00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,040 Speaker 1: So you can't get anywhere near them, you know, um 1030 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,719 Speaker 1: because you're climbing over you know, trees and um, you're 1031 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,120 Speaker 1: just making too much noise. You know, they're gone way 1032 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,759 Speaker 1: before you ever get there. So UM, I think I 1033 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,640 Speaker 1: think you know, and that's hard because so you know, 1034 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,799 Speaker 1: some people have a fifty acre block awoods that they 1035 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,160 Speaker 1: can hunt, and maybe it's all the same, maybe there 1036 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,439 Speaker 1: is no difference you know in what they have, um. 1037 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,800 Speaker 1: But but trying to find just subtle differences, subtle changes, 1038 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,840 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be really helpful for people 1039 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,520 Speaker 1: to do, UM because the deer, you know, it's the 1040 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,680 Speaker 1: it's their home, you know, I mean, they know they 1041 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,920 Speaker 1: know where that is and that's where they're gonna be. 1042 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: So do you have do you have a favorite example 1043 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,479 Speaker 1: of of something like that other than the ranger stand? 1044 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,120 Speaker 1: We just talked about that one, But is there another 1045 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,839 Speaker 1: favorite example of a big woods tree set up that 1046 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,319 Speaker 1: you have hunt in the past, or that you hunted once, 1047 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,360 Speaker 1: but you realize all this is perfect anything ideal that 1048 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,399 Speaker 1: kind of illustrates those things you just discussed that comes 1049 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 1: to mind. Well, I will say there's spots that just 1050 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 1: aren't attractive and like visually attractive where you want to hunt. 1051 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:33,759 Speaker 1: And I still get like, um steered by those, you know, 1052 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,319 Speaker 1: driven to those, but often they're not, you know, the 1053 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,200 Speaker 1: best you know spot to to have an encounter. You know, 1054 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,080 Speaker 1: it's like you know, they're visually they're great. They're like 1055 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,360 Speaker 1: you know, on the edge of a on a on 1056 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,160 Speaker 1: a stream or or um, you know, on a big 1057 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,280 Speaker 1: meadow where you can see way out into the meadow. Um, 1058 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,239 Speaker 1: and and you know you look at that and you guys, 1059 00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,040 Speaker 1: this would be a great place to sit. And it 1060 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,400 Speaker 1: is a great place to sit, but it's probably not 1061 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,640 Speaker 1: gonna be, um the best place to have you know, 1062 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,959 Speaker 1: multiple encounters with big deer. So um. But I don't 1063 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 1: think I could really, you know, I don't I don't 1064 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,960 Speaker 1: know that I could draw a picture of of of that. 1065 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,479 Speaker 1: I mean, I sign, you know, we just get really 1066 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,560 Speaker 1: excited when we see a lot of sign, you know, 1067 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 1: and and then we start everything starts happening based on that. 1068 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,880 Speaker 1: You know, um our food sources change a lot over 1069 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 1: the years here, you know, we don't. It's not like 1070 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,520 Speaker 1: we have crops that the deer are. You know, maybe 1071 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,040 Speaker 1: there's a rotation between corn and beans wheat, but but 1072 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,280 Speaker 1: you know, we don't have that, right so we have UM. 1073 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,720 Speaker 1: We have you know pretty much you know, eggcorns, apples, 1074 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,840 Speaker 1: and then we have all the brows that's in the woods. 1075 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 1: But then you know we go from there, we go 1076 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:54,160 Speaker 1: to UM. We go to UM. You know, fields, we 1077 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,280 Speaker 1: do have fields we have you know, we do use 1078 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,440 Speaker 1: some food plots. You know, there's certain times of the 1079 00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,440 Speaker 1: year and where that can be certain times the season 1080 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,640 Speaker 1: that that can be really beneficial. UM Clovers are kind 1081 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,520 Speaker 1: of go to in Maine because you know, with the seasons, 1082 00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,680 Speaker 1: with the winter and stuff that we have, it seems 1083 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,360 Speaker 1: to be the the feed of choice, you know, a 1084 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,360 Speaker 1: food plot for Deyer. So you know, backtal something he 1085 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,280 Speaker 1: says second ago. When it comes to sign, that's when 1086 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,000 Speaker 1: you guys get really excited when you see a lot 1087 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,520 Speaker 1: of sign. What what qualifies what qualifies as a lot 1088 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,880 Speaker 1: of sign in your part of the country, and what 1089 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,840 Speaker 1: kind of sign? I mean, what I would see in 1090 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: Michigan that would get me excited might be very different 1091 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,880 Speaker 1: than what would get you excited and Maine, what what 1092 00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,560 Speaker 1: exactly are you looking for that turns you on that 1093 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,320 Speaker 1: kind of yeah, well, you know, I mean the obvious 1094 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,760 Speaker 1: you know, droppings you know, Um, I mean that's one, 1095 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, the thing that really jumps out when you're 1096 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,120 Speaker 1: in the woods and you see fresh you know, deal 1097 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,360 Speaker 1: droppings all over the place, an area that's tracked up. UM. 1098 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,160 Speaker 1: I mean we do get pretty excited when we find 1099 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,120 Speaker 1: an area that you know, it's kind of uh a 1100 00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 1: rubbing area, you know for deer where there's multiple rubs. UM. 1101 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:09,520 Speaker 1: I don't think we really you know, develop hunting strategy 1102 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,680 Speaker 1: off of that. You know, it's pretty rare for us 1103 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:17,320 Speaker 1: to hunt a rub line. Um, but we will hunt scrapes. 1104 00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,800 Speaker 1: You know. That's something that um you know, and that's 1105 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,000 Speaker 1: such a great place to put a camera, right because 1106 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, all the deer are checking in, so in 1107 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 1: the screen short period of time, you're gonna gain a 1108 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,640 Speaker 1: lot of knowledge on what's there and what's using it. Um. 1109 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,720 Speaker 1: So UM, that's the kind of sign you know, it's 1110 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,480 Speaker 1: it's um, it's it's not it's not seeing, dear, it's 1111 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,800 Speaker 1: just seeing the effects that they've had from being there. 1112 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,960 Speaker 1: Speaking of seeing dear, here's another thing I've struggled with, 1113 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,480 Speaker 1: I guess at times, because I do some big woods 1114 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,919 Speaker 1: hunting myself up in northern Michigan, and uh, I'm still 1115 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,240 Speaker 1: figuring out. I can say I've gotten nailed by any 1116 00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,480 Speaker 1: former fashion. But one of the things that I struggle 1117 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,200 Speaker 1: with is the fact that there's just lower deer numbers 1118 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,800 Speaker 1: up there, and you can't see very far, like you 1119 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,640 Speaker 1: already mentioned, and you know, deer could be anywhere in 1120 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,320 Speaker 1: that stretch, so you can't see them. There's not a 1121 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,000 Speaker 1: lot of them, and it's really hard to nail down 1122 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,640 Speaker 1: exactly where they are because they don't pattern quite the 1123 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,720 Speaker 1: same as farmland, dear. So because of that, here's my question. 1124 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,840 Speaker 1: I imagine you could sit a lot of days, or 1125 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure you have days where you see nothing that 1126 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,680 Speaker 1: you see one deer, and the question is how much 1127 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,439 Speaker 1: time do you give a good looking spot? How many 1128 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,640 Speaker 1: sits without seeing a shooter buck? Would you be willing 1129 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,880 Speaker 1: to hang out in place or return to a place 1130 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,040 Speaker 1: if you're just not seeing what you want? Is? I 1131 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,160 Speaker 1: gotta imagine you have to have more patience than you 1132 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,520 Speaker 1: might have in Iowa, where if I don't see what 1133 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,280 Speaker 1: I want to see in day one, I'm moving in 1134 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,400 Speaker 1: a hundred yards or something like that. What's your approach there? 1135 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,440 Speaker 1: Right right? Yeah? So, UM, I'll give you an example. 1136 01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,800 Speaker 1: Last season, UM, we hunted we were scrape hunting on 1137 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,400 Speaker 1: a particular UM, we were looking for a particular deer, 1138 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,640 Speaker 1: and Josh and I sat for not back to back weeks, 1139 01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,640 Speaker 1: but we basically sat for two weeks straight on a 1140 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:16,560 Speaker 1: scrape on the same scrape. UM we I don't think 1141 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,760 Speaker 1: we saw a deer the whole time on that S great. 1142 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,520 Speaker 1: You know, we never had it and we never had 1143 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:27,840 Speaker 1: an encounter. UM, And so you know we're we discouraged, yes, 1144 01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,200 Speaker 1: but UM, we also knew what what the potential was. 1145 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,680 Speaker 1: You know, we knew if he was if he was 1146 01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,280 Speaker 1: if he was there, he was gonna come, he was 1147 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,720 Speaker 1: gonna walk by. That S great. You know, Now, this 1148 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,560 Speaker 1: is a deer we don't have a lot of experience with. 1149 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,600 Speaker 1: We've only really been hunting him for UM. This was 1150 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,240 Speaker 1: this was really the first year last year that we 1151 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,080 Speaker 1: were hunting him. UM. And he had he had been 1152 01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,640 Speaker 1: to this scrape the year before and he had torn 1153 01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,560 Speaker 1: it up, you know, so, um, we were putting a 1154 01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,480 Speaker 1: lot of eggs in one basket. Um, I think that's 1155 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:07,240 Speaker 1: scrape hunting, you know. Uh, it's I think it's worth 1156 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,840 Speaker 1: your time. But UM, I don't know. I think everybody 1157 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,240 Speaker 1: has a different tolerance for how much they're gonna put 1158 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,400 Speaker 1: up with. You know, Um, it's pretty hard to sit 1159 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,240 Speaker 1: for two weeks at five five hours at a time. 1160 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,920 Speaker 1: You know, maybe you come out and have a little break, 1161 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, and then go back in. But you know, 1162 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,440 Speaker 1: from from sun up to sundown on a scrape for 1163 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,160 Speaker 1: for two weeks, I think that's that's borderline crazy. But 1164 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,640 Speaker 1: you know, but we knew what the potential was, you know. 1165 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,720 Speaker 1: So UM, I don't know. I you know, William shoots 1166 01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,960 Speaker 1: a big deer at the end of the season. It's 1167 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,440 Speaker 1: gonna be one of the last episodes. He shoots it 1168 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,600 Speaker 1: in May, and he'd come back from Alaska to sixty 1169 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,520 Speaker 1: five days in Alaska with Donny Vincent. You know, William 1170 01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:56,120 Speaker 1: is done, Um director of photography and um he done 1171 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,439 Speaker 1: with Donnie, you know, ten years ago. If if it's 1172 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,160 Speaker 1: on film, pretty much hum filmed it for Donnie and 1173 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,800 Speaker 1: he came back at the end of the season last year. Um, 1174 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,560 Speaker 1: he was back for like the last maybe maybe week 1175 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:15,400 Speaker 1: and a half of gun season. UM and UM jumped 1176 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,360 Speaker 1: off of a plane, grabbed his gun the next morning 1177 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,560 Speaker 1: and was in the woods. And we were trying to 1178 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,640 Speaker 1: keep up with him, you know, Josh and myself filming, 1179 01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:28,120 Speaker 1: and um and that was a deer that UM, we 1180 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,680 Speaker 1: had hunted for a number of years We've never seen. 1181 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,720 Speaker 1: I think we were hunting. We had four years of 1182 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,560 Speaker 1: observation on him and we've been looking for him for 1183 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:42,439 Speaker 1: four years. UM and UM, I don't know. I lost 1184 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,480 Speaker 1: my soft aren't well you're talking about Yeah, you were 1185 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,480 Speaker 1: talking about this example of of Wale getting after this 1186 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,680 Speaker 1: buck in the late season and how it may be 1187 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:56,160 Speaker 1: related to the question of how long how much? Okay, yeah, 1188 01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,320 Speaker 1: I'll back up and so yeah, so so William jumps 1189 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,520 Speaker 1: off the plane and UM goes after this year that 1190 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, we had never gotten eyes on. We knew 1191 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,560 Speaker 1: a lot about him. We hunted him for four years, 1192 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:12,520 Speaker 1: and UM, we were sitting I was hunting with him 1193 01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,880 Speaker 1: that morning, and UM, I wasn't with William. Josh was 1194 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:20,920 Speaker 1: filming William. I was by myself and I had texted William. Oh. 1195 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,800 Speaker 1: I texted William and I said, William, it's it's feeling 1196 01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,640 Speaker 1: really impossible. I just I'm getting I'm wearing out. It's 1197 01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:32,440 Speaker 1: really feeling impossible. Well impossible. Well, ten minutes later I 1198 01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,560 Speaker 1: sent him a text and I said, William, I just 1199 01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,400 Speaker 1: saw a giant out in the heat. You know, I said, 1200 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,640 Speaker 1: I didn't have a good shot. I didn't take it, 1201 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,280 Speaker 1: but he's out there. And William texted being in Josh. 1202 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,240 Speaker 1: They were literally out of the tree within like ten minutes. 1203 01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,840 Speaker 1: They were on the ground and they embarked in like 1204 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,200 Speaker 1: a two hour you know, hike in around the backside 1205 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,560 Speaker 1: of his to get into position. And they killed that 1206 01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,560 Speaker 1: deer in that afternoon. You know. I saw him at 1207 01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,000 Speaker 1: at ten o'clock in the morning, and um, they got 1208 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,480 Speaker 1: into position and they got on them and um, you 1209 01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,480 Speaker 1: know they they they end up killing this dear. He's 1210 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,000 Speaker 1: an absolute giant. You know that we've been after for 1211 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,520 Speaker 1: a long time. So, UM, I don't I think you 1212 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,000 Speaker 1: have to move sometimes you have to move, but it's 1213 01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,080 Speaker 1: it's instinct. I mean, you just you just you know, 1214 01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,600 Speaker 1: it's like somebody's knocking on your shoulder and saying Hey, 1215 01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:22,800 Speaker 1: you've got to get out of this tree and go 1216 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,960 Speaker 1: somewhere else, and and and uh, sometimes you do, you 1217 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,200 Speaker 1: know so, but I don't know I can get I 1218 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,840 Speaker 1: think I think we hang on longer than we generally 1219 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,560 Speaker 1: want to. But but it sometimes pays off, you know, 1220 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,000 Speaker 1: would it? Would you say that? Well, let me tell 1221 01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,960 Speaker 1: let me tell you stuff back. What you're describing seems 1222 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,000 Speaker 1: very different than what a lot of people do elsewhere 1223 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,880 Speaker 1: where there's higher deer numbers and you're seeing a lot 1224 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,040 Speaker 1: more deer. Oftentimes, the hunt a stand once and if 1225 01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:55,640 Speaker 1: they don't kill him the first day or the second 1226 01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,080 Speaker 1: time they hunted, they're like, it's not gonna happen here 1227 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,960 Speaker 1: because the deer react to that pressure so quick. Do 1228 01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,480 Speaker 1: you are you able to get away with longer sits 1229 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,760 Speaker 1: or more sits in the same place, simply because there's 1230 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:12,080 Speaker 1: lower deer numbers, and oftentimes probably these deer arranging further 1231 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,800 Speaker 1: so that dear year after he might not even be 1232 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,840 Speaker 1: within a mile or two for your first three hunts, 1233 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,280 Speaker 1: but on the fourth day, that's the one day he 1234 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,080 Speaker 1: comes through and he has no idea You've been there, 1235 01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,600 Speaker 1: and now you get the crack at him. Is that 1236 01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,160 Speaker 1: is that kind of the thought process behind why that 1237 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,200 Speaker 1: can work for you guys. Well, I think you know, 1238 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,200 Speaker 1: again this this is has a lot to do with 1239 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, which months you're hunting in, but certainly later 1240 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,080 Speaker 1: in the season, that's I think very much the case. 1241 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,480 Speaker 1: You know that, um you could hunt, you know, you 1242 01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,680 Speaker 1: can hunt a week straight and and you know, and 1243 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,960 Speaker 1: you might not have an encounter with that animal, but 1244 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,600 Speaker 1: it's probably because he wasn't there, you know, as long 1245 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,880 Speaker 1: as you're covering all your bases with wind and all 1246 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:57,200 Speaker 1: that stuff. Um. So so you know, I think if 1247 01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,880 Speaker 1: we feel like we're over pressuring us, but it makes 1248 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,680 Speaker 1: good sense to to leave it alone and get out 1249 01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,960 Speaker 1: of there, you know, Um, if you've really pushed it, 1250 01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:08,960 Speaker 1: you know, if the wind is switched direction, or if 1251 01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,440 Speaker 1: you've gotten busted. I mean, you know, we all know 1252 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,840 Speaker 1: what that's like to have, you know, deer blowing at you. 1253 01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,000 Speaker 1: And you know, I mean if we have deer blowing 1254 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,880 Speaker 1: at us, I mean pretty much write that spot off 1255 01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:24,560 Speaker 1: for a while, you know, um, because you know it's 1256 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:30,720 Speaker 1: blown out. Um. So you know, I think the northeast 1257 01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:36,680 Speaker 1: probably does offer a little more um sort of tolerance 1258 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,280 Speaker 1: with the deer, you know, they will probably put up 1259 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,520 Speaker 1: with us a little bit more. But you know, I'm 1260 01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,640 Speaker 1: not really well equipped to answer that because I don't 1261 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,400 Speaker 1: have a lot of Midwest you know, sort of hunting experience. 1262 01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:51,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I do hunt some in the Midwest. UM, 1263 01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,720 Speaker 1: usually it's during the rut, and you know, a lot 1264 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,880 Speaker 1: of deer that I've shot in like Illinois and stuff, 1265 01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, UM are probably from another farm or three 1266 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,440 Speaker 1: farms away, you know, because they're just running and U 1267 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,520 Speaker 1: So I don't Yeah. Speaking of the speaking of the 1268 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,040 Speaker 1: difference between like a Midwest hunting tactic and those in 1269 01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:16,400 Speaker 1: the Northeast, what about some of those more aggressive, UM, 1270 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,400 Speaker 1: bring the deer to you type tactics. You know, in 1271 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,080 Speaker 1: a spot like the Big Woods of Maine, where you 1272 01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,599 Speaker 1: can't see very far, it could be very tempting to 1273 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,679 Speaker 1: call and rattle a lot because you want to bring 1274 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,640 Speaker 1: something into range that maybe is out there, but you 1275 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,320 Speaker 1: have no idea. Is that something that works for you? Guys? 1276 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:36,280 Speaker 1: Is that is that taboo? What's your take on that? UM? Yeah, 1277 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,439 Speaker 1: So I haven't had a lot of success with that. UM. 1278 01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,280 Speaker 1: But but I I do rattle some you know, early 1279 01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,760 Speaker 1: in early in the season, UM, and I always carry 1280 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:52,280 Speaker 1: a grunt to um and I you know, but but 1281 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,840 Speaker 1: but generally, when I'm using either one of those things, 1282 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:59,080 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm working against myself. Um. And That's 1283 01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,080 Speaker 1: what I think. It's just a lot to do with 1284 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,479 Speaker 1: a personal you know, preference. It's sort of you know, 1285 01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:09,000 Speaker 1: I just I just feel like, you know, it's it's 1286 01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,280 Speaker 1: pretty hard to fool a white tail, you know, can 1287 01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:16,280 Speaker 1: it happen? Sure? You know, particularly younger dear. You know, 1288 01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,360 Speaker 1: if you rattle, are you gonna are you gonna rattle 1289 01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,280 Speaker 1: in a three year old? Yeah, a good chance that 1290 01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,800 Speaker 1: that's going to happen. But a big mature white tail, 1291 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,640 Speaker 1: he's got it figured out. He knows if there's an 1292 01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:31,160 Speaker 1: other deer over there fighting, and he you know, he's 1293 01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,519 Speaker 1: probably not going to come over there and try to 1294 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,759 Speaker 1: clear a house. You know, he's just gonna walk away. 1295 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,400 Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna he's just gonna take the other 1296 01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,840 Speaker 1: the other trail. You know. So I, personally, I don't 1297 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:47,440 Speaker 1: do a lot of that, you know, Alright, So oftentimes 1298 01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,439 Speaker 1: it's all about finding those edges, those slight pinches, the 1299 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,000 Speaker 1: things that in some way move dear to where you 1300 01:09:55,040 --> 01:10:00,920 Speaker 1: can predict to some degree. But what about those times 1301 01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,920 Speaker 1: when that's not in the cards and you actually get 1302 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,400 Speaker 1: on the ground and go to the deer. I know 1303 01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,240 Speaker 1: that you've done some tracking. That's something I'm fascinated by. 1304 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,120 Speaker 1: It's something I want to try this year. UM, can 1305 01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,559 Speaker 1: you talk me through, you know, your approach to that. 1306 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,760 Speaker 1: When when does that tactic you turn to and how 1307 01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,760 Speaker 1: exactly do you pull it off? You know? Is it 1308 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,800 Speaker 1: you wake up one morning like there's a bunch of 1309 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,120 Speaker 1: snow today, I'm tracking? Or is it more so you're 1310 01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,559 Speaker 1: walking to a stand and you cross the track and 1311 01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,599 Speaker 1: you decide, oh, you know what, I'll take advantage of that. Yeah, yeah, 1312 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,920 Speaker 1: good question. Um. It's definitely something that we love to do. Um. 1313 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,719 Speaker 1: We're not often given the chance here on the coast 1314 01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,799 Speaker 1: because you know, we have this sort of it's almost 1315 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,840 Speaker 1: like a lake effect, you know, with the snow. Um, 1316 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,280 Speaker 1: it's not that we don't get that opportunity and you 1317 01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,160 Speaker 1: and generally when we do, we we seize it. You know, 1318 01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,120 Speaker 1: we get on it. We like we like a few 1319 01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:02,360 Speaker 1: inches of fresh, you know, soft snow, and UM, we 1320 01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,960 Speaker 1: we definitely love to track. Um. A few years ago 1321 01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,519 Speaker 1: we had just a fantastic day. Josh will and I 1322 01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,760 Speaker 1: we were all together. We broke up first light, we 1323 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,800 Speaker 1: broke up in the morning and UH all looking for 1324 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,840 Speaker 1: tracks and within uh, within the first forty five minutes, 1325 01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,000 Speaker 1: I had it. I had a huge track. And uh 1326 01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,400 Speaker 1: I was trying to get Will's attention and Josh's attention 1327 01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:30,160 Speaker 1: and and um, Will said, I've got a really great track, 1328 01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,240 Speaker 1: and I just saw him. So it was like so 1329 01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,599 Speaker 1: I I left my check and we went to Wills 1330 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,679 Speaker 1: because he had he'd gotten to look at the deer. 1331 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,400 Speaker 1: And um, you know, we tracked that deer all day. 1332 01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,559 Speaker 1: We had eight miles, it was, it was an eight 1333 01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:46,200 Speaker 1: mile before we shot him. Um. And he made two 1334 01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,519 Speaker 1: classic mistakes, or I should say we made two classic mistakes, 1335 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:54,320 Speaker 1: UM that we didn't capitalize on. UM. You know early 1336 01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,679 Speaker 1: on in that track and UM, and we we knew. 1337 01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,280 Speaker 1: We said, well, we're probably not going to get a 1338 01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,040 Speaker 1: third chance, but we were going to keep after it. 1339 01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:05,479 Speaker 1: And it was like three o'clock that afternoon we shot him. 1340 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,360 Speaker 1: We all, I mean one, he was betted on a 1341 01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,240 Speaker 1: knoll up on a hillside and he had done you know, 1342 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,080 Speaker 1: the typical went up on a hill, he banked, he 1343 01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,439 Speaker 1: hooked off to the right and he watched us walk 1344 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,000 Speaker 1: right up the hill. And it's not that we weren't 1345 01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,200 Speaker 1: looking for him, and we don't know that, you know 1346 01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,800 Speaker 1: that here do that. We just didn't see him. You know, 1347 01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:24,760 Speaker 1: we got up to the top of the hill, his 1348 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,880 Speaker 1: tracks broke right. We walked thirty yards over to the right, 1349 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,280 Speaker 1: and there was his bed and we could look down 1350 01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,200 Speaker 1: and we could see where our tracks we are coming 1351 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,000 Speaker 1: up the snow, and so obviously he looked right at us, 1352 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,080 Speaker 1: went off the back side, and you know then then 1353 01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,600 Speaker 1: you know this mistake number two. This is a classic. 1354 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,160 Speaker 1: Right then. Look, there were three of us, so I 1355 01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,640 Speaker 1: probably should have or Josh should have one of us 1356 01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:53,400 Speaker 1: should have just sat down, you know, right there and 1357 01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,679 Speaker 1: just waited. But we tracked that deer over the back 1358 01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,200 Speaker 1: side of that hill around and he button up to 1359 01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,920 Speaker 1: the background, got right on his trail and came right 1360 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:08,400 Speaker 1: back up our tracks. So, um, yeah, so I mean, 1361 01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:12,120 Speaker 1: you know that was the That was the classic, you know, 1362 01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,840 Speaker 1: mistake number two. And if somebody had just sat tight there, 1363 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,640 Speaker 1: they that deal were walked right to him, you know, um, 1364 01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,360 Speaker 1: and then it was you know, it was a few 1365 01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:25,040 Speaker 1: miles later. Um, and I think, really where our opportunity 1366 01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:30,200 Speaker 1: you know when in our direction was that he joined 1367 01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,560 Speaker 1: up with three or four dos and he got distracted, 1368 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:38,040 Speaker 1: and um, we were able to sort of get get 1369 01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,439 Speaker 1: up in front of him, and William was tracking. William 1370 01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:45,920 Speaker 1: had tracked that year the whole time. UM, and um 1371 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,080 Speaker 1: I was I was up ahead. I knew a train 1372 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,800 Speaker 1: a little bit, and I got up ahead, and um 1373 01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,120 Speaker 1: that beer came, you know, came up through with those 1374 01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,080 Speaker 1: doughs and I was able to shoot him. But that 1375 01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,639 Speaker 1: was a seven year old, you know, sure, real heavy, 1376 01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,800 Speaker 1: heavy manger. So we love to track, you know, and 1377 01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:10,000 Speaker 1: the north Woods is great. Oftentimes we have to go, 1378 01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, we have to drive an hour or two 1379 01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,799 Speaker 1: to get up into you know spots where the tracking 1380 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,360 Speaker 1: is really good. Um. And if we do do that, 1381 01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:21,840 Speaker 1: you want to be you know, you want to be 1382 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,240 Speaker 1: set up to spend the night. Um. You know, if 1383 01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,240 Speaker 1: you're on a really good track and you're deep into 1384 01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,679 Speaker 1: the woods, you know, and it's you know, in half 1385 01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:35,040 Speaker 1: an hour left of shooting light, you know, sometimes the 1386 01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:38,519 Speaker 1: best thing to do is just drop and just camp 1387 01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,240 Speaker 1: right there, um, and then take the track up in 1388 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,960 Speaker 1: the morning, because you know, if you have to walk out, 1389 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,080 Speaker 1: there's a good chance you're not gonna you're not gonna 1390 01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,160 Speaker 1: walk back in and get on that track again the 1391 01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:52,040 Speaker 1: next day. UM, but you you can be sured that 1392 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,400 Speaker 1: if you track them all day, you're you're close. You know, 1393 01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:58,920 Speaker 1: you're you're you're closing the distance and um, so you 1394 01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,040 Speaker 1: know that's that's something that we have to do. We 1395 01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,920 Speaker 1: just don't get the opportunity as much. It's also really 1396 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:08,200 Speaker 1: hard to film, um for for whatever reason, it's just 1397 01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:12,439 Speaker 1: really complicated. You you know, you'll see Brett one of 1398 01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,120 Speaker 1: our our teammates with Sea Bucks. You know, he shoots 1399 01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,200 Speaker 1: a giant in New Hampshire and he tracked them, um, 1400 01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,760 Speaker 1: and it's just really complicated, you know to pull all 1401 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,759 Speaker 1: that together, um and get the shot and everything else. 1402 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:29,200 Speaker 1: So so you know, because of because of our engagement 1403 01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,680 Speaker 1: with Sea Bucks. You know, it's it's uh, it's not 1404 01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,439 Speaker 1: our our first go to you know, but it is 1405 01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,519 Speaker 1: something that we love to do, you know, we really do. Yeah, 1406 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,879 Speaker 1: I gotta get a little more detail on the house 1407 01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,599 Speaker 1: of that. So when you start out on a day 1408 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,200 Speaker 1: when you're gonna do that, and you said in the example, 1409 01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:47,880 Speaker 1: you describe the three of you split up to look 1410 01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,000 Speaker 1: for a big track, UM, where are you going to 1411 01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:52,719 Speaker 1: find one of these big tracks? Are you just driving 1412 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,840 Speaker 1: roads to you see one cross the road or do 1413 01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:56,880 Speaker 1: you walk out into an area you know, where you 1414 01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,280 Speaker 1: think there should be a deer and and hopefully catch 1415 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,599 Speaker 1: that big track. Like how did that process start? Yeah? 1416 01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,920 Speaker 1: Great question. So so that particular story I was telling 1417 01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,760 Speaker 1: about was actually on an island um, and it was 1418 01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,880 Speaker 1: like it was everything was just perfectly lined up. You know, 1419 01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,840 Speaker 1: William happened to be here, Um, Josh is here, I 1420 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,000 Speaker 1: was here. So that was a big thing that we 1421 01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:21,439 Speaker 1: got to hit on that. And then we got some 1422 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:25,040 Speaker 1: snow um and there was there was an island that 1423 01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,719 Speaker 1: we really wanted to go there. There were two deer 1424 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,799 Speaker 1: out there that we were really after, two big, mature deer, 1425 01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,760 Speaker 1: and so that's what that's what you know took us 1426 01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,400 Speaker 1: in that direction. But that you know, we've been trying 1427 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,360 Speaker 1: to do that for years, you know, to get out 1428 01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,840 Speaker 1: onto these islands and do some tracking, and it's just 1429 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,800 Speaker 1: the conditions are are it's so hard to get that 1430 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,160 Speaker 1: to line up. So if we were tracking on the mainland, 1431 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,880 Speaker 1: that's what you said is exactly the way to do 1432 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,920 Speaker 1: it is go up north, get on some of these 1433 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,840 Speaker 1: logging roads, um, and pretty much drive the road or 1434 01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,040 Speaker 1: walk the road if you if you can't drive it, 1435 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,840 Speaker 1: and just find a big track. Um. And you know, 1436 01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,960 Speaker 1: once you start studying these tracks, you start you start 1437 01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,559 Speaker 1: to kind of get an idea which one you want 1438 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,479 Speaker 1: to take and which one you don't want to take 1439 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,360 Speaker 1: and um, but that's that's the best method. You know, UM, 1440 01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,320 Speaker 1: cover a lot of ground, you know, early on and 1441 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,760 Speaker 1: until you find the track you want, and then it's 1442 01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,400 Speaker 1: all on foot from there on out. How How do 1443 01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,559 Speaker 1: you tell if it's a track you want, how big 1444 01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,960 Speaker 1: does it have to be? How do you determine how 1445 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,320 Speaker 1: fresh it is? How new of a track does have 1446 01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:36,120 Speaker 1: to be to be you know, of your worth your time? Yeah, 1447 01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,559 Speaker 1: so I mean the size of the track is is 1448 01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, generally the first thing you're looking at, you know, um, 1449 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,040 Speaker 1: and then you know you based on on on that, 1450 01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,280 Speaker 1: you can um, you can look at the stride, Um, 1451 01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:54,200 Speaker 1: you can try to make assessments based on how much 1452 01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,519 Speaker 1: snow there is if there's not a lot of snow, 1453 01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,320 Speaker 1: if he's dragging his feet, you know, if he's tired. 1454 01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,720 Speaker 1: You know, those are all things that play into it. 1455 01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,160 Speaker 1: And then you know a lot of it has to 1456 01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,200 Speaker 1: do with where you don't where you think he's going 1457 01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,640 Speaker 1: and how honrible he is based on the train that 1458 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,240 Speaker 1: is going into So, UM, I think that you know 1459 01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,599 Speaker 1: is is really a big part of it is you know, 1460 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,400 Speaker 1: do you know the terrain? And and is it you 1461 01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,800 Speaker 1: know hontable? You know? Um? And then be a you 1462 01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,840 Speaker 1: have to basically accept the fact that you don't know 1463 01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,960 Speaker 1: who this gear is. You know, you don't you most 1464 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,519 Speaker 1: likely don't have any kind of relationship with him. So, um, 1465 01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,880 Speaker 1: could he be a three year old? Yeah? Could you 1466 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,960 Speaker 1: have mistaken that three year old track for a for 1467 01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:41,120 Speaker 1: a five year old track? Absolutely? And so you have 1468 01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,320 Speaker 1: to be at a point, you know, where you're willing 1469 01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,599 Speaker 1: to accept that, you know, you might end up shooting 1470 01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:50,160 Speaker 1: a three year old because oftentimes you don't have the 1471 01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:54,400 Speaker 1: time to really study the dear when you get up 1472 01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,519 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it could be such that you do, 1473 01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,679 Speaker 1: but good chance that you don't. Uh, you're gonna shoot 1474 01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,479 Speaker 1: a running deer, So you have to be one to 1475 01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:07,439 Speaker 1: accept that as well. UM, that's not always gonna go 1476 01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,200 Speaker 1: just the way you wanted to um, So you have 1477 01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,479 Speaker 1: to be prepared for that. You you really, you know, 1478 01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,880 Speaker 1: you have snow on the ground, so that's working in 1479 01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,280 Speaker 1: your favor. If you don't happen to make a favoritable shot, 1480 01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, there's still a good chance you're gonna be 1481 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,080 Speaker 1: able to stay on that year because of the snow. Um. 1482 01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,200 Speaker 1: But there's just there's less control, you know, with that 1483 01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:31,879 Speaker 1: whole tracking game. UM. I mean, we really do love it, 1484 01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:36,120 Speaker 1: but you know, we're not engaging with deer that we know, 1485 01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:41,519 Speaker 1: you know, characters that we've identified with. UM. So it's 1486 01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's not our it's not our number one 1487 01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,760 Speaker 1: go to, but it's something that is the season you know, 1488 01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,559 Speaker 1: goes on. It's really fun to get into new country 1489 01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,800 Speaker 1: and and and uh explore like that. And so we 1490 01:19:54,960 --> 01:20:00,120 Speaker 1: definitely like the track. It sounds like a lot of fun. So, oh, 1491 01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,599 Speaker 1: I gotta believe or hope that there's some people listening 1492 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,080 Speaker 1: to this that hunts some kind of big wood situation, 1493 01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,360 Speaker 1: whether it's in the Northeast or maybe big woods in 1494 01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,679 Speaker 1: the Upper Great Lakes or big I don't know, pine 1495 01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,000 Speaker 1: plantations or something down the southern part of the United 1496 01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,840 Speaker 1: States where they've got lots of timber and not the 1497 01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,160 Speaker 1: usual easier to figure stuff out, stuff like maybe you've 1498 01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:26,439 Speaker 1: gotten patchwork gag land. So I'm imagining this audience member 1499 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,280 Speaker 1: right now. And let's say they're a relatively new hunter. 1500 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,479 Speaker 1: So they're they're loving it, but they just have not 1501 01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,439 Speaker 1: figured out this big woods kind of scenarrow which which 1502 01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:38,200 Speaker 1: most of what we've talked about today revolves around something 1503 01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,160 Speaker 1: like that, whether it's on an island or the mainland. 1504 01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:45,280 Speaker 1: And this person, this audience member, I'm gonna sit him 1505 01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,120 Speaker 1: or her down in front of you right now. John, 1506 01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,320 Speaker 1: You're looking this person in the face, and you have 1507 01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:55,040 Speaker 1: an opportunity to leave them with three things. You can 1508 01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:59,880 Speaker 1: call them three lessons or three rules, or the three commandment, 1509 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:04,760 Speaker 1: the three commandments of John Altman's Big Woods hunting philosophy. 1510 01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,800 Speaker 1: These are the only things that you want this person 1511 01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,120 Speaker 1: to walk away from today. What would be those three 1512 01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:19,160 Speaker 1: most important takeaways? Takeaways? Okay? Um, So, I think you know, 1513 01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:22,240 Speaker 1: if they want to hunt big mature white tail, they're 1514 01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,920 Speaker 1: gonna have to have a lot of patients. They're gonna 1515 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,639 Speaker 1: have to have a lot of families support. I mean, 1516 01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,960 Speaker 1: that's one thing that you know, we're all really fortunate, 1517 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:35,320 Speaker 1: like you know, it's a it's a huge commitment. And um, 1518 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,679 Speaker 1: I mean, we've built our lives around, you know, hunting 1519 01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,760 Speaker 1: these big mature deer, and you know we're hunting them, 1520 01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,200 Speaker 1: we're collecting information on them, we're getting ready for these times. 1521 01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,439 Speaker 1: It's a three six you know, commitment, it really is 1522 01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:54,599 Speaker 1: where it's it's just it's seven. And you know that 1523 01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,040 Speaker 1: makes it into our homes. Everybody has to, you know, 1524 01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,240 Speaker 1: sort of be behind it and supported or else you're 1525 01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:05,080 Speaker 1: just you're you know, you're just putting up with resistance. 1526 01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,519 Speaker 1: And so I mean, I can't I can't say enough 1527 01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:11,959 Speaker 1: about how important it is to be kind of united 1528 01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,719 Speaker 1: on this front if you want to hunt big mature 1529 01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:16,880 Speaker 1: white tail. So I think that would be number one 1530 01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,000 Speaker 1: is to have have that support. My wife puts up 1531 01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:23,360 Speaker 1: with so much, you know, because of my passion for 1532 01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,680 Speaker 1: chasing these big deer around UM and so that that 1533 01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,479 Speaker 1: is a really really important one. UM And I think 1534 01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,479 Speaker 1: you know with that comes just patients. It just you know, 1535 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:38,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that you need to um that you're 1536 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,800 Speaker 1: going to be successful right away. I said, I I 1537 01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:46,639 Speaker 1: feel like these big deer, UM, they take they take 1538 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,720 Speaker 1: a huge commitment. You have to build sort of a 1539 01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,120 Speaker 1: relationship with them. You have to start to identify them 1540 01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:57,720 Speaker 1: as characters and and and and how they um respond 1541 01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:04,160 Speaker 1: to to pressure, to weather conditions that they're they're like humans, 1542 01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,080 Speaker 1: you know, they they're all different. I mean, you have 1543 01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:09,000 Speaker 1: really social gear, and you have dear that just don't 1544 01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,160 Speaker 1: want to have anything to do with anybody. And so 1545 01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,160 Speaker 1: you have to you have to accept that you're gonna 1546 01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:17,240 Speaker 1: have to figure that out about the dear. Um. And 1547 01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,519 Speaker 1: so I think that would be number two is just 1548 01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:25,240 Speaker 1: kind of uh an incredible amount of patients. And then um, 1549 01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, I think number three is just being really proficient, 1550 01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:34,640 Speaker 1: you know, being able to make um, you know, quick decisions, 1551 01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,280 Speaker 1: being able to move, being able to you know, have 1552 01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:41,280 Speaker 1: lightweight set ups, being able to adjust your plan. Um. 1553 01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's not there's not two sides to this coin. 1554 01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:48,000 Speaker 1: There's there's there's multiple you know sides. You know it's 1555 01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,639 Speaker 1: it's it's it's always gonna change, it's always going to involve. 1556 01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:55,559 Speaker 1: And so being flexible, I think is is you know, 1557 01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,640 Speaker 1: really important. And being you know, flexible and proficient you know, 1558 01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,479 Speaker 1: whether you're a bow hunter or on hunter or both, 1559 01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:06,080 Speaker 1: it's just being really connected without equipment and gear, um, 1560 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:10,639 Speaker 1: knowing that you know, if you if you're string loop 1561 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,719 Speaker 1: you know, falls off your bow, Know how to tie 1562 01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,880 Speaker 1: it on again, you know, don't don't feel like you 1563 01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,120 Speaker 1: have to go to the bow shop to have that done. 1564 01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,880 Speaker 1: You know, connect with your equipment, understand how it works. Um, 1565 01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,960 Speaker 1: I mean that you know, if you can eliminate that, 1566 01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, you know that sort of concern about your ear, No, 1567 01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,960 Speaker 1: know it well enough that you know how to fix it. 1568 01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,040 Speaker 1: You know when it's not working right. You know, if 1569 01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:39,000 Speaker 1: if something doesn't look right, if you can eliminate that, 1570 01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:41,519 Speaker 1: then you can be so much more focused in the 1571 01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:45,160 Speaker 1: in the moment um you know, to make that shot 1572 01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,640 Speaker 1: or to make that decision that's going to get you 1573 01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,599 Speaker 1: to the point where you can make that shot. So 1574 01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,160 Speaker 1: I think it's just a it's just an overwhelming a 1575 01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,439 Speaker 1: commitment that you have to make, you know, to to 1576 01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,639 Speaker 1: hunt these big deer. I think that's really really kind 1577 01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,960 Speaker 1: of all wrapped up in one. Yeah, it's ready to commit. 1578 01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:07,240 Speaker 1: Very true. All right, John, Well, this has been really interesting. 1579 01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,760 Speaker 1: It makes me even more excited for my potential trip 1580 01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,639 Speaker 1: up to the Northeast this winter that I'm excited about. Um, 1581 01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,360 Speaker 1: but if people are here in this yeah, I'm gonna 1582 01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try some of the stuff out myself in 1583 01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,519 Speaker 1: in New York or Maine, I think. But um, if 1584 01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:25,320 Speaker 1: people are listening and they are interested in following along 1585 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,160 Speaker 1: with what you've got going on or watching some of 1586 01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:29,920 Speaker 1: these hunts we've talked about, where can they find all 1587 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:34,360 Speaker 1: this and and learn more about what you've got going on? Sure? Well, 1588 01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:38,400 Speaker 1: we have a website main hunter dot com and that 1589 01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,799 Speaker 1: showcases us pretty well, and it talks about um different 1590 01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,880 Speaker 1: projects that were engaged with. It has information about us personally, 1591 01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, UM, some of our thoughts and beliefs, and 1592 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,720 Speaker 1: then you know, it talks about workshops and things like 1593 01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,080 Speaker 1: that that we offer UM. And then obviously we have 1594 01:25:56,240 --> 01:26:02,000 Speaker 1: a on Instagram account UM main hunter Official. UM. You know, 1595 01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,000 Speaker 1: we're trying to be better about all of that stuff. 1596 01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,879 Speaker 1: Like I often say, you know, it's not our forte. 1597 01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:11,160 Speaker 1: You know, we're the guys that are in the trees, uh, 1598 01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,799 Speaker 1: you know, not so much doing that stuff. But we're trying. 1599 01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,120 Speaker 1: We realize that the power that that uh is sort 1600 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,120 Speaker 1: of behind it all. So we're trying to to be 1601 01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,160 Speaker 1: more present on that front. Um. But that's how you 1602 01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,160 Speaker 1: can find us. And and I always encourage people to 1603 01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,400 Speaker 1: call you know, I love to talk on the phone. 1604 01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,360 Speaker 1: I love to hear hear about different stories that you know, 1605 01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:36,400 Speaker 1: are going on for different people with with their pursuits. So, UM, 1606 01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,479 Speaker 1: we're available, you know that way people can find us, 1607 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, perfect. And what about the show Sea Bucks? 1608 01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,160 Speaker 1: Where can I see that? Yeah? A Sea Bucks UM 1609 01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:52,360 Speaker 1: is on the Real Tree three platform. UM. It's a 1610 01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,599 Speaker 1: sixteen episode series that we made in the Northeast. UM 1611 01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,200 Speaker 1: we have you know, we're we're trying to kind of 1612 01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:03,120 Speaker 1: showcase the variety of hunting that exists in the Northeast 1613 01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,920 Speaker 1: on the Eastern seaboard. So it goes from Maine down 1614 01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:11,320 Speaker 1: to New Hampshire and then into Massachusetts. UM. And obviously 1615 01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,040 Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about Maine. The New Hampshire piece 1616 01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,440 Speaker 1: of it, you know, is pretty much mountain hunting in Hampshire. 1617 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,920 Speaker 1: And then we get down into Massachusetts, which is really 1618 01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,759 Speaker 1: a whole another sort of approach, and that's an urban 1619 01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:28,439 Speaker 1: style hunting. UM. There's definitely big mature white tails you know, 1620 01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,960 Speaker 1: in some of those urban areas, and it comes with 1621 01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:34,439 Speaker 1: a whole another sort of package of goods in terms 1622 01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:38,000 Speaker 1: of being successful at that UM. So, so we're trying 1623 01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,720 Speaker 1: to sort of showcase, you know, the different the sort 1624 01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,360 Speaker 1: of different segments of the Northeast. I think a lot 1625 01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,599 Speaker 1: of people can relate to it. I think it's it's 1626 01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,080 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's just sort of hits the nail 1627 01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:51,840 Speaker 1: right on the head to a lot of really uh 1628 01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:56,719 Speaker 1: you know, avid enthusiasts uh that that are pursuing white tails. 1629 01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,400 Speaker 1: So we're really happy about it. It's been a it's 1630 01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:01,679 Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. Um, We've got some great 1631 01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:05,759 Speaker 1: ideas for this upcoming season. Um. I think it's gonna 1632 01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,360 Speaker 1: looks like it's gonna stay there on that platform, the 1633 01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,160 Speaker 1: Real Tree three sixty five platform, and it may be 1634 01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,599 Speaker 1: um in some other spots, maybe on Carbon and we're 1635 01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,960 Speaker 1: probably gonna have it on a YouTube channel as well, 1636 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,920 Speaker 1: So that's where you can kind of look for this 1637 01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:23,439 Speaker 1: upcoming season. Very cool, awesome. Well, from what I've seen 1638 01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:26,160 Speaker 1: so far, I really liked it, So I would encourage 1639 01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:28,320 Speaker 1: people to check that out. If this has been intriguing. 1640 01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,080 Speaker 1: And John, all I gotta say now is thank you. 1641 01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:35,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate this. Yeah, thank you, And it's really great 1642 01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:36,479 Speaker 1: to talk with you about it. This is a lot 1643 01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:39,280 Speaker 1: of fun. Good luck this upcoming season. Thanks a lot 1644 01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,120 Speaker 1: all right, and that will do it. I hope you 1645 01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:46,439 Speaker 1: enjoyed this one. Thank you all for listening. Much more 1646 01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,960 Speaker 1: to come in the upcoming weeks and monthly in the 1647 01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,360 Speaker 1: hunting season. I can't wait. Hopefully you're as excited as 1648 01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:56,120 Speaker 1: I am. And until next time, thanks for listening, and 1649 01:28:56,360 --> 01:29:00,840 Speaker 1: stay wired to Pett and Pett