Speaker 1: When I do live gigs around the country, I'll be
Speaker 1: honest with you. I sell T shirts and swag to
Speaker 1: the folks who are there, and then people always say,
Speaker 1: can we get this swag without sitting through a whole
Speaker 1: evening of you.
Speaker 2: Well, it's happened. It's finally here.
Speaker 1: You can buy Craig Ferguson merch on the Craig Ferguson
Speaker 1: Merch website and you can buy it for yourself or
Speaker 1: someone you hate or someone you love. For more information
Speaker 1: and link to the web store, please go to the
Speaker 1: Craig Fergusonshow dot com. That's all lowercase, the Craig Ferguson
Speaker 1: show dot com. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name
Speaker 1: of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interesting people
Speaker 1: about what brings them happiness. Today a Late Late Show
Speaker 1: with Craig Ferguson Reunion. Craig Ferguson will be here. Me
Speaker 1: the one wearing the sunglasses. I won't be wearing them
Speaker 1: once we get started because I will be mocked. I
Speaker 1: would be mocked by my guests, who are Josh, Robert
Speaker 1: Thompson and Joseph who were respectively on the old late
Speaker 1: night show Jeff Peterson, the Sassy Robot and Secretariat.
Speaker 2: The Sassy Horse. Well, first, the you know front end
Speaker 2: of the you fight that.
Speaker 3: Warm enough, stretching a little bit, it's the joy.
Speaker 1: Shadow came in and did an episode and he told
Speaker 1: us about when he lived in a shed and he
Speaker 1: had he was just doing cocaine all the time, and
Speaker 1: he had guns.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And he was living in a shed in Topanga with guns,
Speaker 1: and but he still had that voice.
Speaker 3: I was in to Panga. I had a Winchester.
Speaker 1: I think he had had like Magnums and not Magnum
Speaker 1: the ice cream, ihand you know Magnum the gun the gun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So this is my pitch. So we do a
Speaker 1: podcast together three because this is the reunion. This is
Speaker 1: it Robot Horse right right, Okay, So for those of
Speaker 1: you who don't know, during the late night era of
Speaker 1: when we were doing it, I was the guy and
Speaker 1: you were the robot and you were the horse, correct,
Speaker 1: all right? And and I feel to this day still
Speaker 1: the best late night show ever made, maybe or certainly
Speaker 1: ever made by us.
Speaker 2: I would say so ever certainly ever made by yeah
Speaker 2: ever made. I think it's ever made.
Speaker 4: I think I think greatest late night talk show on
Speaker 4: at that at twelve thirty five AM of all time,
Speaker 4: of all time at twelve thirty five, twelve thirty seven.
Speaker 1: Well, twelve thirty seven, but what about early Dave. Early
Speaker 1: David is twelve thirty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now we're where there were bare we had who
Speaker 4: had a robot and a horse?
Speaker 2: I mean, no one knows what you were doing on
Speaker 2: that show was insane. Well, I wasn't doing it. You
Speaker 2: were doing it. We did whatever we want. I was
Speaker 2: supposed to Dave because David in the Times Law.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this, I mean Dave in the Times Law.
Speaker 1: And so CBS paid no attention to us. That's that
Speaker 1: was the key.
Speaker 2: And that was the thing though, because they.
Speaker 1: Didn't pay any attention to this, they never get any
Speaker 1: We never get any publicity or right. But I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of good because people now don't associate us
Speaker 1: with CBS, which is good because then we'd have to
Speaker 1: be on Blue Bloods and stuff with Tom Selleck.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like Tom.
Speaker 4: Tom sala Oh my god, you can Tom Salak on
Speaker 4: Family Guy. Recently a commercial for reverse mortgages.
Speaker 2: A reverse mortgage is when you give money to the bank.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you you take out you take the
Speaker 4: loan against your own mortgage, or you take out money
Speaker 4: and then you owe more money.
Speaker 2: That great.
Speaker 1: I'm tom seller, but I saw an interview or a
Speaker 1: piece of something with Tom Sealex. Blue Bloods is finishing
Speaker 1: and Tom Selick's worried about losing this avocado farm. Yes,
Speaker 1: because avocados they grow in their hair, the heads of avocados.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we wander across the oh yeah, Mexico.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the planes, the flames somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think the cartels have the Avocado Cartel. Oh they
Speaker 4: got that locked up. Yeah, yeah, I think that's a
Speaker 4: Netflix show. Is that right, the Avocado Cartel? Yeah, cartel?
Speaker 4: What Netflix is different? No, like because Netflix used to
Speaker 4: be good. Yeah, and now it's like it feels like.
Speaker 1: It's like Lifetime a little bit. Oh yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: So here's my pitch to you. Yeah, pitch it all right, man,
Speaker 1: Robot Horse. It's a it's a podcast, right, it's the
Speaker 1: three of us, and we never have a guest.
Speaker 2: I like it so far. Yeah, because you're doing yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's a nightmare. We've got multiple shows. Booking
Speaker 5: guests is impossible. But if you have a guy who
Speaker 5: can do every voice known to man. You're in good hand.
Speaker 2: Oh that's true.
Speaker 3: Hey, everybody great to be here on man robot horse.
Speaker 2: Right, So that's we go. That's's that. That's I thought
Speaker 2: it was Bay.
Speaker 3: How are you doing?
Speaker 2: I love He's a genius.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, he's a great director. He's a great director. He's
Speaker 2: a great film dude. Jimmy Kimmel's show for a long
Speaker 2: time he directed. Yeah, yes, but he's made some great
Speaker 2: films and uh he lives in the woods now. He
Speaker 2: lives in a shed with cocaine. That makes sense, and
Speaker 2: with a Winchester rifleing up forty five.
Speaker 3: Avocados.
Speaker 2: I work on a ranch. That's what happens on your
Speaker 2: have you go? You still get your cats? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: well many of them.
Speaker 1: Like there's three yeah, three yeah, and you get three
Speaker 1: cats and their names are fizz gig right hemnis named
Speaker 1: after Ikea furniture and it's a line of fancy the
Speaker 1: hems and uh and then.
Speaker 2: Teddy okay, which is and you've now got a baby baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah, congratulates a baby cat human baby human baby.
Speaker 2: Wow did you uh buy this?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: I made him?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I made the baby baby with using sex power,
Speaker 5: using sex power with Jack. Here's a fun fact. Only
Speaker 5: took me one one attempt to make a baby strong.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah shooting. Look how much hair is on Joe though,
Speaker 1: And it's like playing the horse all that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that gives you vergulan power.
Speaker 4: Which, by the way, unbelievable performance as the horse. I
Speaker 4: mean you were doing yes and improv saying nothing, not
Speaker 4: able to speak, and only able to move this head
Speaker 4: back and forth. My favorite bit of all time for
Speaker 4: me personally on the show is the which salsa do
Speaker 4: you like? Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: That was a by or a mile Yes, And.
Speaker 3: It would go on and on and on.
Speaker 2: You would die laugh.
Speaker 1: Well because it didn't make any sense at all. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it now, I kind of like that show
Speaker 1: would be impossible. Now you couldn't do that, So it
Speaker 1: was actually impossible then. It was only because nobody really
Speaker 1: knew it was there, right, because like the ones who
Speaker 1: knew about it knew about it, but there was no publicity.
Speaker 1: There was no kind of you know, billboards or commercials
Speaker 1: or like. Occasionally they would make us go to a
Speaker 1: super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, remember we went to the super Bowl
Speaker 4: in New Orleans, and there was a power cut.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there was a power cut in New Orleans
Speaker 2: when there was a I don't know if I.
Speaker 1: Can survive in that corporate environment because of the Super Bowls.
Speaker 1: Like the last time we were at the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and I look, I get nothing against football.
Speaker 2: It seems like it's a very popular sport.
Speaker 1: It's just no to me. I like hockey. I like,
Speaker 1: you know, Crouchet, sure you swimming? Yeah, every swimming is
Speaker 1: great because it's only every four years, right, Like you
Speaker 1: know the Olympics coming. People are you're going to watch
Speaker 1: the swimming tonight?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I watch it every week.
Speaker 1: What does swimmers do for the four I guess they
Speaker 1: practice to the Olympics, right, Yeah, you got to swim
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: A lot of practice swimming. Yeah.
Speaker 1: People say to me, oh, you you missed doing late Night.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, Well you had a different perspective.
Speaker 5: I mean you were.
Speaker 2: I didn't grow up with it, you know. That's that's right.
Speaker 2: You didn't have that was it that I didn't have
Speaker 2: anything to reference?
Speaker 4: It was right, right because like Sally, I would go
Speaker 4: chat with Sally now and again about the Johnny Carson days.
Speaker 1: Right, because Peter le Sally who was the producer Johnny
Speaker 1: Carton Carson for Johnny Carton Car that was and they
Speaker 1: used to sell milk and Johnny Carton. It was an
Speaker 1: animated show. It's true Johnny cart I think it's on
Speaker 1: Netflix now Johnny Carton.
Speaker 4: Here comes Johnny car Here's Johnny. Everybody, Now, this is
Speaker 4: interesting two percent milk. There was also skim milk which
Speaker 4: I and Joy which is this is interesting avocados.
Speaker 2: Did you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys feel about this, but
Speaker 1: I stay away. There was no real social media stuff
Speaker 1: when we were doing Now. There wasn't really the pick
Speaker 1: up that there was now this fucking headless borg that
Speaker 1: takes every piece of content and.
Speaker 2: Just rose out there all the time and always looking
Speaker 2: for a problem. And then you get the the uh.
Speaker 1: The tabloid websites which take tweets or comments on YouTube
Speaker 1: and use it as like people are saying in the article, yeah,
Speaker 1: you go, are people saying or maybe right right, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe five people said it, and they are maybe one
Speaker 1: person said it.
Speaker 2: And then oh, by the way, I downloaded chat GPT.
Speaker 2: I've got the AI now in my phone. Oh it's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I had I asked it today, write me a short
Speaker 2: Craig Ferguson routine about your raft.
Speaker 3: Did it?
Speaker 2: They did? And I was like, this is about as
Speaker 2: good as the material.
Speaker 4: So now you have a real Jeff. Now Jeff is
Speaker 4: fully real. Yeah no, I but Jeff see my pets
Speaker 4: for monroot horses. There is that Jeff is back. But
Speaker 4: that now reconstruction is so good that you can just
Speaker 4: like wear those pants. It's just me jeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: which is what we were going to do. Anyway, we
Speaker 4: did it once, right, We had a whole idea.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 4: This was in the first studio, the smaller studio, original studio.
Speaker 4: I think we were going to do flashbacks to the
Speaker 4: different eras of the Late Late Show.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: It was the nineteen seventies one and you you were
Speaker 1: saying your Jeff feels going, I'm going skyde yeah die.
Speaker 2: Oh. We were gonna come up with different ways, different
Speaker 2: ways that Jeff died. That's right, right.
Speaker 4: My favorite line in that one was so we turning
Speaker 4: Steve Gutenberg and I said, Steve Gutenberg, Oh, he's the
Speaker 4: biggest star in the world.
Speaker 2: His star will never never fade. Very mean I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Steve Goudenberg. You know, have you met Steve? Yeah, one time.
Speaker 2: He's really lovely, pleasant guy.
Speaker 1: He's very nice. He did he told me that thing
Speaker 1: about It might even have been on Late Night when
Speaker 1: he was on he said, the stages of your career
Speaker 1: or who's Steve Guttenberg. Get me Steve Guttenberg, Get me
Speaker 1: a Steve Guttenberg type. Wow, that is it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I know, boy, isn't it true? Fucking Hollywood? It's like terrifying.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to handle that. That was well
Speaker 1: after the show, Yeah, I did not. Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's weird when you were in a big thing. I
Speaker 1: felt that way. After the Drew Carrey show, I was
Speaker 1: like I don't know, yeah, right, yeah, and then Late
Speaker 1: Night turned up and I was like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then after late Night I was like, I'm so tired.
Speaker 2: But you've been doing stand up and we toured for
Speaker 2: a while. I mean you, I opened for you for
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 3: You did you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did a little bit after as well. How
Speaker 2: was that? I've always wanted to know.
Speaker 5: It was terrifying because I listened when you guys did
Speaker 5: this before your first gig was or one of your
Speaker 5: first kids was like Radio City and Venetian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I lied and said you know what, am I
Speaker 2: gonna say no? Yeah, because I said to you if
Speaker 2: you don't stand up before, you were like, yeah.
Speaker 3: No problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah you got it man a one time at Miyagi's
Speaker 4: Japanese restaurant Sunset. Yeah, I mean straight to radios. So
Speaker 4: it was Miyagi's right too. I think the Venetian was
Speaker 4: the first. That's so funny and it went well and
Speaker 4: then but yeah, when did you.
Speaker 2: Craig is a very.
Speaker 5: Practical guy, so his was like we we had to
Speaker 5: do we had to record some shows during that time
Speaker 5: and had to than bring on extra people.
Speaker 2: He was like, you just do it.
Speaker 5: And then I said, okay, we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 5: So I made the mistake. I practiced just in my
Speaker 5: bedroom for like a week or so. Yeah, and then uh, he.
Speaker 2: Didn't do it. Didn't do it for anyone.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 5: It's good, Yeah, because I thought, why, you know, ruined
Speaker 5: the material. I don't want to waste them. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: I was peak skill. Maybe it was some upstate New
Speaker 5: York looked over you know, a thousand, two thousand people
Speaker 5: there and then that was the first time I said
Speaker 5: it in front of anyone, And to Craig's credit, I
Speaker 5: bombed so hard that but he didn't give up on me.
Speaker 2: It took about four shows, three or four. I didn't notice. Yeah, he.
Speaker 3: Show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said to us one night, what direction is
Speaker 2: the audience? When I woke out with directions it left
Speaker 2: or right? They pushed him out stage. I didn't know.
Speaker 2: You bombed.
Speaker 5: I bombed the first one or so like bombed and
Speaker 5: then immediately was like, I got to probably change all
Speaker 5: this material. Yeah, right, I got a little bit better
Speaker 5: the second night.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: The third night, I want to say, was New Jersey.
Speaker 5: I mean these are all like the smallest audience was
Speaker 5: fifteen hundred years theaters. Yeah, and then by like the
Speaker 5: fourth night it started working. But what I did was
Speaker 5: really I made like Craig making fun of me the
Speaker 5: punchline to every joke, and that killed and like kind
Speaker 5: of brought.
Speaker 2: It back to the show. Wait, you did you do
Speaker 2: my voice? Did you?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: But I did hear on the last time you when
Speaker 5: you were on you did Craig's voice to him? Yeah,
Speaker 5: And what did you think of it?
Speaker 1: I see I don't hear my voice like you hear
Speaker 1: my right, So when you do my voice, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: like no, no, my voice is much deeper than that.
Speaker 2: And I and I've go, you know, and I'm sex here.
Speaker 2: It's missus doubtfire.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but you you hear listen, man, if you
Speaker 4: if you're earlier on time, if you're on time, you're late, Hey,
Speaker 4: find another way. That's my favorite one, my favorite, My
Speaker 4: favorite phrase is find another way.
Speaker 2: Find another way. When I was mad at ja yeah
Speaker 2: the other yeah, yeah, Jeff Barber was snorting. You had
Speaker 2: like some and so Craig's trying to take a quick
Speaker 2: nap before the show. Jeff's in the other room going,
Speaker 2: and then you just.
Speaker 3: Hear find another way, man.
Speaker 2: And it really is applicable to all of life. Find
Speaker 2: another way, in another way. I say all the time.
Speaker 2: It Yeah, I use it as well. It's great, so funny,
Speaker 2: another way, so funny. It's just perfect passive aggressive.
Speaker 3: Oh I don't know.
Speaker 2: If it's passive. I think it's straight up an instruction,
Speaker 2: a very clear instruction. Find another latch.
Speaker 1: When we were ruling, like you know, we had a
Speaker 1: one plane, oh my god, and we were we had
Speaker 1: the plane and the bus and the all the hotel
Speaker 1: rooms on the side. It was it was probably costing
Speaker 1: me about half a million dollars a year to be
Speaker 1: in the road.
Speaker 2: Fuel, just hotel rooms and snacks. Motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: I mean a certain point, were you guys touring when
Speaker 1: Bradley was out with us as well? This is these
Speaker 1: were in the before times. But you wouldn't I don't
Speaker 1: think it would be cool now.
Speaker 2: But Bradley, who was a little pear of Bradley's Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, and Bradley was he was a little person,
Speaker 2: and he was dressed as a leprechaun, yeah, with gold pain. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he he'd go out and that's a little bit yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's probably not cool.
Speaker 4: That video we have that video of us doing the
Speaker 4: thing in Vegas. Yeah, there's Bradley dressed up leprechaun.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like it was I don't know I
Speaker 1: feel that way. No, No, I didn't feel like I
Speaker 1: was being disrespect Bradley. You know, he loved it.
Speaker 4: He love.
Speaker 2: He's a working actor. He loved it.
Speaker 4: Nothing he respects. Part of the thing was totally a
Speaker 4: part of the show. The early days of that show.
Speaker 2: There were a lot of different characters that were part
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: remember us. This was really early on the character of
Speaker 1: Fiona the Scottish Stalker. No, no, yeah, it's funny because
Speaker 1: you know that that thing on Netflix now Baby Reindeer,
Speaker 1: Baby Raindeer. Right, So I was watching, I went, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I remember something like this, and there's no
Speaker 1: video of it. But there used to be a thing
Speaker 1: and it was an actress, and forgive me, I can't
Speaker 1: remember her name. She was very good and she played
Speaker 1: Fiona the Scottish Stalker and there was an intro music
Speaker 1: and it was Fiona the Scottish Stalker, Fiona and Craig
Speaker 1: cat stop her field.
Speaker 2: She will not be ignored. I will not be ignored. Crazy.
Speaker 1: And then and then she came on and she would
Speaker 1: do this thing of like she was following me and stuff,
Speaker 1: and it kind of you know, it was before you
Speaker 1: took over and took over all of that stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, but early on there was like different actors
Speaker 1: would come on and do little bits and pieces and
Speaker 1: then you know, you put them all out of work.
Speaker 2: You did them all. This was first year. This is
Speaker 2: maybe the first two years.
Speaker 1: First two years, I think if you know the Scottish
Speaker 1: Stalker and it was a Scottish Stalker and she was really.
Speaker 2: Like heavy and she I mean it was very baby India.
Speaker 2: That's very fun.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: I just think I was before my time. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: did a lot of sketches, very sketch heavy that first year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was almost like the the Benny Hill I
Speaker 1: was like, we actually did up Benny Hill racing. I
Speaker 1: remember we went out and there was like there was
Speaker 1: a little person and girls and bikinis and stuff, and
Speaker 1: everybody chased everybody around, right, speedy up music.
Speaker 4: But at some point you went okay, like I kind
Speaker 4: of want to do these remote sketches things.
Speaker 2: Well because you have to turn off barely and you know,
Speaker 2: or in the last three four years of the show,
Speaker 2: I mean like five minutes before the show, you would
Speaker 2: put the horse on.
Speaker 5: Maybe not yeah, yeah, it got so rediculous, Like I
Speaker 5: would the intro music or the real beforehand would be
Speaker 5: playing and I'd be like, all right, time to get started.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you'd be the same.
Speaker 4: I blow in about you know, twenty minutes before showtime, right,
Speaker 4: what are we talking about today.
Speaker 2: I we'll figure something out.
Speaker 1: And that's what happens. You just end up talking about it.
Speaker 1: And that's what I think we should do with Manrouebot Horse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the new podcast. That doesn't it seem when I burped that?
Speaker 1: See that was unplanned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the moments like this, you're gonna get more of
Speaker 2: more burb yet more burpic. Well, it's it's you don't
Speaker 2: want to burp in front of people. You don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it's okay. I think it says welcome, makes
Speaker 4: you feel comfortable.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's rude. Well what about gas?
Speaker 2: What about passing? That's a must? Do you know what
Speaker 2: makes me mess? Larry King? Oh yeah, I loved Larry.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was you say the night he took it
Speaker 1: when you were you had some big paying job doing
Speaker 1: a commercial.
Speaker 2: Let I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4: We never talked about that, But the way I found
Speaker 4: out that celebrities were going to be doing Jeff's voice, Yeah,
Speaker 4: for two weeks I had to go to I was
Speaker 4: I was going to South Africa to shoot these insurance commercials.
Speaker 4: More than Insurance was a company in the UK, I
Speaker 4: was more than Freeman. So that was the final part
Speaker 4: of my contract. I had to go and that it So,
Speaker 4: as I'm walking out of CBS Television City, I'm walking
Speaker 4: out the door, Michael Natus, producer Michael Natus in his
Speaker 4: way as I'm walking.
Speaker 2: Out the door and says, oh, Josh, it's real quick.
Speaker 2: Uh just to you know, have a great trip.
Speaker 4: We're going to have celebrities filling in every night doing
Speaker 4: Jeff for the next couple of weeks take care.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I.
Speaker 4: Was.
Speaker 2: I was mortified.
Speaker 4: Why because we had built this thing, we had this
Speaker 4: character and then I was up my own ass. But
Speaker 4: I but I was like, oh shit, they're going to
Speaker 4: know who the person is doing the voice each night,
Speaker 4: because you're gonna say it's Larry King or whoever. And
Speaker 4: they were all really I mean, Larry King was great.
Speaker 4: He was very funny, but he wasn't doing what you
Speaker 4: were doing.
Speaker 2: He was doing you. You were doing the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Of course, I think what I think I was thinking
Speaker 2: about it. I think, Larry were you there when? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: did you see how they were doing it? Like the setup?
Speaker 2: Someone who I forget who it was, but someone was
Speaker 2: doing it was Bob Oshak, right, Bob. I think he operates.
Speaker 2: Bill Maher.
Speaker 3: Very good at it. It's the same remote.
Speaker 2: Yeah, could you do, Bill Maher? I could probably figure
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's very whining. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Yea, but but I think so.
Speaker 2: I think you're right.
Speaker 4: Bob was puppeteering with this remote, watching Larry talk into
Speaker 4: a mic and then trying the time.
Speaker 2: It's such a disaster.
Speaker 3: It was funny.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why disaster was kind of what we need
Speaker 2: game because and that I think began. Do you guys
Speaker 2: remember the first Magic Week? Oh yeah, the first Magic
Speaker 2: Week when we had a bunch of magicians, like really.
Speaker 1: Off the strip magicians in Vegas, like like some of
Speaker 1: them not even in Vegas. It was like, you know
Speaker 1: Scottsdale Magic Club or the Reno incredible. Yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's too good already, it's too good. But
Speaker 1: the thing was I love it, And it was early
Speaker 1: on and everybody, like the executives and Peter was like
Speaker 1: these magicians are terrible, and.
Speaker 2: I was like, I know, it's fucking brilliant. I really
Speaker 2: love it. This is the this is what we're looking for.
Speaker 4: That's the show magicians, this is the show, and it
Speaker 4: kind of took it took a while, I think for
Speaker 4: them to understand that disaster was the name of the game.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, the robot doesn't really work. You know,
Speaker 2: the horses crap, but it's not really crap. It's just cheap.
Speaker 2: That's it's cheap. It's cheap.
Speaker 4: It's under the guise of being cheap, which which it was.
Speaker 4: I mean, they didn't you know, we were ignored. The
Speaker 4: show was completely ignored, which was good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good and bad. I think when we went to
Speaker 2: the bigger the bigger studio was too much. I thought
Speaker 2: it was. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think the bigger studio was the last two years
Speaker 1: of the show. It was, yeah, and the biggest studio
Speaker 1: for me. Although we lost something that element of the said,
Speaker 1: we did gain the fireplace that throw the log end
Speaker 1: and I think Jeff really too cool there for hiding
Speaker 1: that big studio. There was no more puppets, there was
Speaker 1: no more things.
Speaker 2: There was a stable for Secretaria, the entire stable and
Speaker 2: a stable that they built.
Speaker 1: You were just see when you were standing there, like
Speaker 1: in the stable, door was in front. Was was the
Speaker 1: back end of Secretaria involved or did you just stand
Speaker 1: with it hanging.
Speaker 2: Loose like that. Yeah, it's just just me.
Speaker 5: And then he had a little chair and if we
Speaker 5: felt like it was go time, he would jump underneath
Speaker 5: and grab my hips.
Speaker 2: It'd be quick ause he'd say who's that at the
Speaker 2: door and you go? And then that was like so
Speaker 2: it was just hanging like a scroll to behind an
Speaker 2: empty horse.
Speaker 5: So there are two There were two guys. So first
Speaker 5: it was Matt Kugler, Matt Cougler, yes, right, and then
Speaker 5: who who was? And then Ryan McGowan or Ryan McGowan
Speaker 5: was the second, so only two. Ryan ha has like
Speaker 5: fourteen kids. Now he does have a kid, he really
Speaker 5: does one, at least one that I know, okay. And
Speaker 5: then before that there was a guy Alex Burnett who
Speaker 5: did it briefly was that one of the one of
Speaker 5: the original original guys.
Speaker 4: It was like the Pete bast of secretaries, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: He did it and then he got he left, he
Speaker 5: got another job, and then that's when Kugler took over.
Speaker 5: But you were always the front, always the front. Did
Speaker 5: you start in the show, you were like an urn
Speaker 5: or a pa. He started as a pa. I was
Speaker 5: just like a fill in for one week and then
Speaker 5: they would bring me back whenever there was an opening,
Speaker 5: and then once someone left, they they just hired.
Speaker 4: Was like, that joke is true then, so you would
Speaker 4: say they're not They're just a couple of interns. And
Speaker 4: that was a running joke that was so that was
Speaker 4: true in the beginning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of was.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What happened was I think they it was the Kentucky
Speaker 1: Derby or something, and somebody said there's a horse suit
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, fine.
Speaker 3: Mister Ferguson, there's a horse suit back there.
Speaker 2: Let's use it. Okay, find any shite magicians.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we get Ronnie the Great from me.
Speaker 1: The one I remember that really I remember was it
Speaker 1: was a quick change artist.
Speaker 2: It was an old Korean lady.
Speaker 1: She was a quick change artist and they would put
Speaker 1: a screen up and then she would do a quick
Speaker 1: change and then the screen would come down and she'd.
Speaker 2: Be wearing a differently. Wow.
Speaker 1: But the thing was like, because of the way it
Speaker 1: was positioned, I could see her changing, so you could
Speaker 1: see it.
Speaker 4: I was like, it's it's like, okay, look I changed
Speaker 4: my clothes. But that was you know, that was entertainment
Speaker 4: back then. That's when that's.
Speaker 2: Before like you run Netflix, not quite running, but yeah, wow,
Speaker 2: you run like Netflix is a joke that you run
Speaker 2: that whole thing.
Speaker 5: I run that their serious XM channel. So do all
Speaker 5: the audio stuff shows and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, folks, you know, at one point
Speaker 4: there was a serious x M show that Craig did
Speaker 4: thanks for you know, subscribing.
Speaker 2: We didn't get a lot of people that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Remember remember that the show Truck Radio. That's right, we
Speaker 2: did all of that.
Speaker 5: I still here from the people. Yeah, what was your
Speaker 5: character name? I was Malibo.
Speaker 2: People still Joeys from.
Speaker 5: It, is true, but yeah, people still call in. They
Speaker 5: love that show. Yeah, some people that people ask for
Speaker 5: the archives. I don't think even serious Stevens probably has
Speaker 5: got them.
Speaker 3: Right next to the Winchester the Avocados.
Speaker 4: I remember on that show we were trying to get
Speaker 4: sponsorship from Ghant Oh my god, the company. So we
Speaker 4: just started advertising for them for free to see if
Speaker 4: they will because I was doing some Megan and I
Speaker 4: did some big advertising campaign.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for exact show.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: It was just like a YouTube, man, see yea like commercial, right, And.
Speaker 4: And I thought that I was like at home with
Speaker 4: the Ferguson's just going on, well, you know, I don't
Speaker 4: know if you've heard of this thing called money.
Speaker 1: So they turned up and they said, hey, we'll do
Speaker 1: this thing. I was like, okay, sure. I first I
Speaker 1: said no, and then they said money and I was like.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, oh yeah yeah right, and then the CBA,
Speaker 2: the serious show that was we did that in my
Speaker 2: garden shed.
Speaker 4: So I just kicked Shadow out because see we had
Speaker 4: been living there. Shadow was the sort of the Cato
Speaker 4: Kaelin of.
Speaker 2: Living there. It's the same hair Kaitlyn Jesus.
Speaker 3: I heard a noise outside. I don't know what it
Speaker 3: was was. There was a slight bump and some kind
Speaker 3: of noise.
Speaker 2: Whoever happened to Kato Kaln Is he still alive?
Speaker 5: He is?
Speaker 2: Yeah? He in fact he uh does he have a YouTube?
Speaker 2: He has a podcast? Probably?
Speaker 4: Well, he had a radio show in the nineties on
Speaker 4: like ninety seven point one FM here in Los Angeles, right,
Speaker 4: And I was like I just moved here, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 4: Kato Klen's got a show. This place is great. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But Kato gave a video message to address the death
Speaker 4: of oj and of course, and very wisely did not
Speaker 4: address OJ at all and just gave his condolences to
Speaker 4: the children and of course to you know, Nichole's family.
Speaker 2: And it was really great. It was really really wise.
Speaker 2: He looked great.
Speaker 4: I don't know what he's doing other than giving Condultanci
Speaker 4: you still have the he's got some of the hair.
Speaker 2: Frusted Tip. Yeah, it made me. Yeah, it was trusted tip,
Speaker 2: trusted tips.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the show thinking frusted Tips is where
Speaker 1: I'm going to go now, I need to see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd quite like to have that kind of Mark McGrath,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I think I think it worked for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like an intense tan. Yeah, when you come
Speaker 4: back and do man, robot and horse. No, it's just
Speaker 4: man robot horse, Man robot horse and we can work.
Speaker 2: It in the bill. Could it could be roulebot horse
Speaker 2: man if you know what I'm saying. We don't need
Speaker 2: to just mix it up. Remember the Japanese version version
Speaker 2: We could never do that.
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, it was just with the it was called
Speaker 4: super Happy Fun Time Our with Robot old Man.
Speaker 2: That's right. I don't think it was.
Speaker 4: It was just like a title sequence, right, I don't
Speaker 4: know if that's okay, anymore.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it was funny. But the sensibilities have
Speaker 2: changed a little.
Speaker 3: Bit, and they have.
Speaker 4: But nothing that we did ever came from me. We
Speaker 4: were never mean, No, we were just playing. We were
Speaker 4: always having a good time. But you could do a
Speaker 4: German accent. Oh, I think you can still do a
Speaker 4: German accent. This is fine, very true because Germans was
Speaker 4: so so naughty. Yeah it was since the last hundred years, so.
Speaker 2: It is all right. Still they're still being punished a
Speaker 2: little bit. Actually, I say, Sam joyed. And the one
Speaker 2: that I like to do is moreve like this type
Speaker 2: of accent. I think someone I like to do a
Speaker 2: German accent right from nineteen fifties movies about the Second World.
Speaker 2: Oh it's great, and you do more sort of fruity
Speaker 2: upper West Side from Oh that's right, they had chance stakes.
Speaker 2: I'm going to tearror and retake a bit.
Speaker 3: Thanks, Jess, if you remember that, it was great, It.
Speaker 5: Was such a great essay. The one of my best
Speaker 5: memories from the show was when we went to Scotland.
Speaker 5: We had a bus, right or a big yeah been
Speaker 5: a bus yeah yeah, and you were out filming a
Speaker 5: ton and we would just sit on the bus and
Speaker 5: he would do these characters, some of which were like
Speaker 5: the catering guy from the meals we'd have.
Speaker 2: He could turn him around and he would just do
Speaker 2: this bit. We'd narrate the whole trip.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think at that point in your life, though,
Speaker 1: you were like you were like Stephen King of Characters, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was you were just I mean, you must have
Speaker 1: been crazy because all of this stuff was coming all
Speaker 1: of the time. You were always doing something and that
Speaker 1: must be uncomfortable, and to be that.
Speaker 2: Clever because he's so quick with him to doing it.
Speaker 2: I was unhappy. Yeah, I was an unhappy guy. I
Speaker 2: remember one one meal.
Speaker 5: I don't even know if Craig was there for it,
Speaker 5: but when we met, I was like, you're doing all right,
Speaker 5: and You're like, I just do my laptop across the room.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh, I was going through it.
Speaker 2: But two minutes later we were like, hey, yeah, you
Speaker 2: were doing bits and they were hilarious. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: that was the darkness.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what.
Speaker 4: I was so unhappy about relationship at the time. Who knows,
Speaker 4: who knows?
Speaker 1: You did talk of this though the unhappiness is where
Speaker 1: it's kind of born, you know. I mean like when
Speaker 1: I started Late Night, i'd just gone through a very
Speaker 1: unpleasant divorce.
Speaker 4: Yeah, kept me going for a good couple of years.
Speaker 4: But there is that, There is that, It's that double
Speaker 4: edged sword, you know. But I just wish I was
Speaker 4: more present, I guess, to really enjoy. We were in Scotland,
Speaker 4: we were in New Orleans, like, hey, dummy, look what
Speaker 4: you're doing. Yeah, you know, so sometimes it's hard to
Speaker 4: see that when you're in it.
Speaker 2: And what I mean, I remember that as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I mean I look back on some
Speaker 2: of the stuff now, I'm like, I wish I'd kind
Speaker 2: of taken it in a little more, yes, you know,
Speaker 2: because I was just it was just like one thing next.
Speaker 1: But we were so busy the fact that you you know, like,
Speaker 1: yeah we went to Paris, and yeah we went to Scotland.
Speaker 1: But we got there, we got off the plane. You
Speaker 1: go jet like and you work fourteen hours and then
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, just like collapse and do it all
Speaker 1: for five days and then and then leave, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's great, but it's it's not really a vacation.
Speaker 4: We weren't really there to go do things. No, what
Speaker 4: you threw on the horse suit everywhere we went. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I did the horse and an open field close now,
Speaker 4: but we did it under the Eiffel Tower. Now you
Speaker 4: can't even get underneath and all thing it's like it's
Speaker 4: all blocked off.
Speaker 2: I remember having an argument with the producers.
Speaker 1: They were like, they were saying, well, we can just
Speaker 1: hire local people for the inside of the horse and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you fucking crazy, Like we'll put French guys
Speaker 1: inside an American horse, fucking nuts, what the hell is that?
Speaker 1: And they were like they were freaking out. I mean,
Speaker 1: but because it's expensive to move a whole show over them,
Speaker 1: Like no. And then I said, and we got to have,
Speaker 1: you know, hair and makeup and they're like, we can
Speaker 1: hire hair makeup in Scotland. Their friends like, no, we
Speaker 1: have to take to you and Lisa, we got to
Speaker 1: take them.
Speaker 2: We have to take every wed.
Speaker 1: It was a team and that's the thing that I
Speaker 1: don't think people understand about it because it was it
Speaker 1: was written, but it wasn't written in the same way
Speaker 1: as other things were written, and it was kind of
Speaker 1: all happened at once, you know, I mean, like the
Speaker 1: writers would write stuff.
Speaker 4: There were writers and they were great. It was a
Speaker 4: great team of writers. But the monologue was pretty much
Speaker 4: a placeholder. It was kind of there as a suggestion, right.
Speaker 1: If if if it's a kind of flat night, then
Speaker 1: I'll just do the monologue as opposed to like I
Speaker 1: remember coming out that joke I had to tell about
Speaker 1: a cat, yes, and I thought it was so funny.
Speaker 2: I couldn't get through it, and you were and I
Speaker 2: were talking about so brilliant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like, not being able to do the
Speaker 1: monologue is funnier than doing the monologue, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: and that actually I think that's actually Carson because remember
Speaker 1: when you because Carson's the architect of these shows, and
Speaker 1: when he did a joke and it bombed, that was
Speaker 1: better than we did a joke in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Carson would sometimes take the boom mic after bombing and
Speaker 4: bring it down.
Speaker 2: And tap it.
Speaker 4: And I just want to make sure that she was working.
Speaker 4: Its working, all right, We'll try another one. Here's another one. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're rough tonight there, bring their knives, all right, all right,
Speaker 4: here's another one. Here's another on and they're just bomb
Speaker 4: and bomb. But he could make it work. Because we
Speaker 4: were all on his side and we all love when
Speaker 4: you you know, when you would go off script, you know,
Speaker 4: it was just there was what I'm saying, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm saying what the funniest thing was. The writers would
Speaker 4: come up with the monologue, a suggestion of a monologue.
Speaker 4: Here's the things we could talk about, topical stuff. Sometime
Speaker 4: it was very good, very good, and we never got it.
Speaker 2: But there would sometimes be one or two pages that
Speaker 2: you would never get to at the end that they
Speaker 2: would just keep copy, copy and paste.
Speaker 4: That's right, never get nuts, and Monday through fright Thursday
Speaker 4: would come the pages change different colors.
Speaker 2: For those that don't know, every time there's a rewrite,
Speaker 2: it starts as white. By the time it's like golden rod,
Speaker 2: like green, then you're really in trouble. But you know,
Speaker 2: that was the beauty.
Speaker 5: But I thought the best shows too, were like when
Speaker 5: there was a leak in the Cela, like all of
Speaker 5: that stuff that was out of everyone's control but would
Speaker 5: happen right beforehand. Then you had that you'd come out
Speaker 5: with a mop with a bucket and you can just
Speaker 5: go off on that. None of that was scripted, and
Speaker 5: those were like real memorable monologue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's a funny thing. I just don't
Speaker 2: know if it's available now. I don't know. I mean
Speaker 2: maybe it is. Maybe people are doing stuff like that to.
Speaker 4: Nervous It feels like everyone's so rigid and it's like, well,
Speaker 4: we have to really make sure and everything's micromanaged and
Speaker 4: everything's poured over to the point where it's no fun.
Speaker 2: By the time you get to shooting the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all the fund's gone on it.
Speaker 4: It's like us having a full conversation before we do
Speaker 4: the podcast, right. We always say like, let's not talk anymore, right,
Speaker 4: because that's what happens. You over massage it well.
Speaker 1: And also I think that the outrage and kind of
Speaker 1: fans it's kind of a currency, know a little bit
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: It's like something to talk about.
Speaker 1: And I get it because if you if you, if
Speaker 1: you're a fan to then that's good that that gives
Speaker 1: you something to talk about it. And basically that's how
Speaker 1: you start stand up back.
Speaker 2: It doesn't you go I'm.
Speaker 1: Really mad at you know, a giraffe, right, and then
Speaker 1: you like it gives you a place to kind of
Speaker 1: work from.
Speaker 2: So if you if you have to fill you know
Speaker 2: your your TikTok account every fucking day for no money.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Like they say these influencers are making money.
Speaker 2: I'm like, are they Yeah?
Speaker 3: But not no?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't get it. It's like, so
Speaker 2: I make TV for free every fucking day. I don't know,
Speaker 2: got an hour to fill man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the I mean it's like it's short, I
Speaker 1: guess the social media stuff, but it's but it's relentless.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And those shows, just those late night shows now are
Speaker 5: just making stuff to put online, which we did. None
Speaker 5: of our stuff went online.
Speaker 2: I doesn't. It does now, it does now. But towards
Speaker 2: the end of our run was when I think Fallon
Speaker 2: started to Jimmy.
Speaker 1: I think Jenny the first one that actually he started
Speaker 1: doing hashtag things and stuff with Twitter.
Speaker 2: And I remember I paid no attention to Twitter.
Speaker 1: And then Eddie is I was on the show and Eddie,
Speaker 1: Eddie and I have friends from way back, and Eddie's
Speaker 1: still Eddie but now she's Eddie right and not, but
Speaker 1: she's still Eddie, so I'm still cool to call her Eddie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've known Eddie for a long time.
Speaker 1: And Eddie said, have you've done this Twitter thing and
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it was actually when it was Eddie
Speaker 1: and the Barbecue Guy.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that it was a sketch we did really, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was Eddie and the bark So Eddie.
Speaker 1: Was the guy Myron Nixon. It was a barbecue chef, right,
Speaker 1: and he was on the show. And I went into
Speaker 1: the writer's room one day and I saw that the
Speaker 1: names of the two guests on the on the wall,
Speaker 1: and it was Eddie and the barbecue Guy.
Speaker 2: I said, well, that sounds like a sick of so
Speaker 2: we did. So we did an opening.
Speaker 1: It was like Eddie and the Barbecue Guy and there
Speaker 1: was a song Eddie and this is Eddie. He's something
Speaker 1: and he's right, but he lost all his money and
Speaker 1: he had to move in with the barbecue guy.
Speaker 4: The barbecue guy is Myron. And then we had brad
Speaker 4: because Myron wasn't there to do the little thing, but
Speaker 4: Eddie was. We had Bradley. The little person play celebrity
Speaker 4: chef who didn't was Jeff Yeah, and he just danced
Speaker 4: around and it was, god, what a fucking mess.
Speaker 3: Brilliant.
Speaker 2: It was fine, but I think what's lost from that?
Speaker 2: And I think what's happening.
Speaker 4: Is that what goes viral and what it seems like
Speaker 4: people like now has that thing Like whenever I do
Speaker 4: it in social media, like I get people that put
Speaker 4: it upsot today on the podcast that it's not doing
Speaker 4: me it goes up or they'll say to me, is
Speaker 4: this okay?
Speaker 2: And I say, yeah, that's fine, put it up. But
Speaker 2: I don't do it.
Speaker 1: But if I ever do anything, like I was in
Speaker 1: the car a month ago or something and I said
Speaker 1: to Megan, the seat here makes me feel like I've
Speaker 1: shipped myself. And she said, all right, well let's film
Speaker 1: that and I'll put it on TikTok and and that
Speaker 1: was like a billion views for me saying that's it.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, I see, it makes me feel like
Speaker 1: I've shipped myself. Yes, because I think that stuff still
Speaker 1: resonates with people and there's still a hunger for it,
Speaker 1: but it's harder to get right, you know, because because
Speaker 1: it's controlled. Because I mean, I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: had to pitch anything in this town recently, but it's
Speaker 1: fucking nuts. I mean it's nuts. The amount of people
Speaker 1: who are on a zoom call since the pandemic. No
Speaker 1: one talks to each other. He's on a zoom call.
Speaker 1: They've kept it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then if you're pitching an idea there there's like
Speaker 1: fourteen people or something on and they're all like m hmm, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well what if we yeah, know that
Speaker 1: it's great, it's great, it's it's great.
Speaker 2: But no, but now what if they don't do that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What is something completely different? It's similar, you know. It's
Speaker 2: very odd to me.
Speaker 1: And I've talked to some heavy hitters from some bit
Speaker 1: like I was talking to Phil Rosenthal, who does that
Speaker 1: food shoe on your network. Everybody feed everybody feed pill
Speaker 1: or somebody feed pill or you know, and I and
Speaker 1: I was talking to you and Phil. I said, Phil,
Speaker 1: do another sitcom And he said, believe me, it's not
Speaker 1: from a lack of trying.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know.
Speaker 1: It's like I just can't get it over the line.
Speaker 1: It's like there are these gatekeepers. People think there's not gatekeepers.
Speaker 2: Now, but there's mother more so yet there's more.
Speaker 4: I think it's not and it's not. We're not talking
Speaker 4: about trying to be offensive. We're not talking about like,
Speaker 4: oh I can't say this, this and this. Oh no,
Speaker 4: it's just it feels like a lot of people are
Speaker 4: pulling their punches, even even in film, Even in movies
Speaker 4: that I see, it feels like they're holding back. And
Speaker 4: and it's because there's so many different people at the
Speaker 4: top that have a committee of this pulling everything back
Speaker 4: for the only reason really is to appeal to a
Speaker 4: larger market and not to.
Speaker 2: That's the problem.
Speaker 1: I think if you're trying to appeal everybody and I
Speaker 1: can't fucking know exactly, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: it's it is that strange thing that you know, I'm
Speaker 1: offended by that. It was like people are always offended
Speaker 1: by fucking George Carlin was always getting hold over the coast,
Speaker 1: Red Fox, fucking you know, everybody is always getting I
Speaker 1: mean Richard Pryor, I mean.
Speaker 3: Prior, you know.
Speaker 4: But it's the idea that you could then you could
Speaker 4: be offended, but then they take it a step further
Speaker 4: where then they can stop you from doing the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you could be offended by the thing, but you don't
Speaker 4: get to stop me from doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I don't look bothered. Yeah, but is
Speaker 2: that still a thing?
Speaker 1: I mean, now I think if people get like, now
Speaker 1: there's a you know Netflix is particularly guilty of this.
Speaker 1: That you get guys going on Netflix making millions for
Speaker 1: saying things that they say they can't say, but saying
Speaker 1: them right. It's like, yeah, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: You know, Like someone's got their hand in my bucket here.
Speaker 4: I feel it's like you're not allowed to say the
Speaker 4: things that I'm saying for a lot of money. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and like I feel like you are. Yeah, it's I
Speaker 4: think it's fake. The outrage and the fear and all
Speaker 4: that stuff both. Yeah, Yeah, it's kind of it's a
Speaker 4: hard thing to judge. It's a real wild West thing.
Speaker 4: There are many instances where it is real and legitimate
Speaker 4: and people should be called out for things that they've done,
Speaker 4: really truly bad things, But telling a joke. I don't
Speaker 4: think it's one of them. I just feel like I
Speaker 4: missed that freedom to create that we had at that show,
Speaker 4: which is what we're kind of talking about is on
Speaker 4: a network television show, we had the freedom to do
Speaker 4: anything and we did and nobody bothered us.
Speaker 2: That was amazing.
Speaker 1: It was a real anomaly and stuff, and I was
Speaker 1: It's why I still to this day with because really
Speaker 1: the reason we had it is because of David Larman,
Speaker 1: because David owned the time slot, and so CBS.
Speaker 2: Could be angry at us, no angry us, But the
Speaker 2: truth of my ris, they couldn't fucking do.
Speaker 1: Anything because it was Dave, and Dave didn't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: He was doing his own thing and didn't really notice us.
Speaker 1: So to this day, when I see Dave, I'm still
Speaker 1: a little frightened of him because he was the only
Speaker 1: one that could actually cause us any trouble, and he
Speaker 1: never did right, he never paid any attention. But he
Speaker 1: was the only one that actually had power over us.
Speaker 1: The rest of them were kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: they had to get in line behind Dave.
Speaker 2: And so that was.
Speaker 4: Worldwide Pants, that was his company. But then the next
Speaker 4: iteration of the show was CBS the next version of
Speaker 4: the Late Late Show with.
Speaker 1: Carton one one Jimmy Carton took over. Then yeah, and
Speaker 1: then it was that was CBS. The Worldwide Pants weren't involved.
Speaker 1: And now it's gone, Is it gone completely? Taylor Williamson,
Speaker 1: that's a show now, yeah, but.
Speaker 5: At midnight or now it's called After min after midnight,
Speaker 5: So it's like a panel show, fake game show.
Speaker 4: It's the old panel show that Chris used to a
Speaker 4: couple of times Retooled and on CBS, which at the
Speaker 4: time I thought was a weird play.
Speaker 2: But Taylor Tomlinson is very good.
Speaker 4: She's very good at it. It's not my kind of show,
Speaker 4: but I'm really impressed. And it's a it's a strange
Speaker 4: move for CBS, but maybe it's working.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: in broadcast television, the numbers, I mean I.
Speaker 1: Looked at late night numbers maybe about every couple of
Speaker 1: months I look at them.
Speaker 2: Maybe no, maybe not as much as that. I looked
Speaker 2: at them fairly recently.
Speaker 1: I'm like Jesus Christ, we would get canceled like twenty
Speaker 1: times over for these numbers.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, there's like three hundred thousand people. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: I mean three thousand people watching a show wow on
Speaker 2: the podcast television. I mean, how is that? You can't
Speaker 2: make that work? What were we at? We were we
Speaker 2: were neck and neck with I think we were about
Speaker 2: two bucks or he you know, we were like two million.
Speaker 1: I think it went down at like one point two ish.
Speaker 1: With attrition they would go up to one point five
Speaker 1: if you know, Tom Hanks was on or something.
Speaker 2: But really it's amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we were still a secret, we were still
Speaker 4: this incredible yeah, which was the power of that show.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: I think the thing about it is as well, though,
Speaker 1: that I'm glad that we stopped when we did.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, I mean I was crazy. I
Speaker 2: mean I had to get it.
Speaker 1: When I look back on it now, how uncomfortable I
Speaker 1: didn't even realize how comfortable I was. And we've talked
Speaker 1: about how uncomfortable you were, Yeah, but I was too.
Speaker 1: And I think looking back on it, it's the thing
Speaker 1: is is the real warning of these things. You walk
Speaker 1: into a building.
Speaker 2: Every day and your picture is everywhere, and your your.
Speaker 1: Name is on all the stationery and all the you know,
Speaker 1: kind of literature everywhere your name and your picture, and
Speaker 1: and everybody in the building is just making sure that
Speaker 1: you're fucking okay.
Speaker 2: You gotta be okay. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: Don't upset you know, you know, And that's not good man,
Speaker 1: that's that's I mean, it starts to fuck with your head. Man,
Speaker 1: does you get paranoid? And I think by the end
Speaker 1: of the show, I was completely paranoid. I was like
Speaker 1: nobody's telling it was like being a call nobody's telling
Speaker 1: you the truth, right like you know, nobody is telling
Speaker 1: you the truth in the office, and when you go
Speaker 1: out there, the only people I trusted were you two,
Speaker 1: the robot and the horse were the only people that
Speaker 1: were actually telling me because we were in it together.
Speaker 2: We were doing our own we were doing we had
Speaker 2: our own world, you know, and nobody else was in it.
Speaker 4: You, you love. The thing that I figured out early
Speaker 4: on that made you laugh the most is when I
Speaker 4: would give you ship as Jeff for things that you
Speaker 4: were already aware of, like oh, the late night talk
Speaker 4: show hosts another tough night.
Speaker 2: Sitting behind the desk, and you go, ah, fuck you.
Speaker 4: It was this way of you almost talking to yourself
Speaker 4: in a way, but also blowing off steam and being like,
Speaker 4: thank god, somebody can call.
Speaker 2: I think you were in the same thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, because I would go over and you know,
Speaker 1: you were in the rowboats' well why don't you have
Speaker 1: a drink?
Speaker 2: And why don't you hold that? And you'd be like, man, but.
Speaker 3: How dare you?
Speaker 2: But I knew it was fuck you lean into that.
Speaker 2: You'd lean into that.
Speaker 4: We talked about that last time, where if someone if
Speaker 4: I was having a bad week, or someone was having
Speaker 4: a tough time, you go, this is perfect. They're going
Speaker 4: to be on fire tonight. Let's lean into that. I
Speaker 4: mean not in a mean way, No, it was just
Speaker 4: it's part of the gig.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also you're working with with the only people
Speaker 1: you trust. Yeah, you know, I mean that's where I mean.
Speaker 1: I trusted my family of course, yeah, but everyone else.
Speaker 1: And it's Hollywood, yeah, and it's a it's a weird place.
Speaker 2: Even for a late night talk show. That's the thing.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: It was just a fun show. But there were some
Speaker 4: some people there. Man, the business end of it. It
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, man, relaxed. Yeah, it just having fun.
Speaker 1: But I think everyone but this is I remember when
Speaker 1: I started doing the show, the question that I asked
Speaker 1: more than anything else at the beginning was do you
Speaker 1: want to take over from Dave?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just started in this job.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to do this one, and
Speaker 1: you're talking about the guy who's the best at it ever,
Speaker 1: and I want to take over from him and I
Speaker 1: don't even know how to do it at all.
Speaker 4: They're already sharpening their knives. I mean, it was fucking crazy,
Speaker 4: probably patting him on the back. Yeah, you ever thought about.
Speaker 2: Taking over for day?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Man, yeah, yeah. They got that Christmas sweater.
Speaker 4: I mean it's, by the way, every Christmas Dave, not
Speaker 4: really Dave, but you'd get a Christmas sweater or the
Speaker 4: jacket jacket and it was from Worldwide Pants, and enclosed
Speaker 4: in the box was a little card, very fancy font
Speaker 4: I would just say, you know, best wish is Dave,
Speaker 4: but it was it was from Worldwide Pants. But the
Speaker 4: shirt would just say like pants. She'd be walking around
Speaker 4: like an asshole said pants would go to.
Speaker 1: Do you remember Towards the end, things were getting a
Speaker 1: little nutty and Rob Burnette was running Worldwide Pants and
Speaker 1: this I think it was I was reopened for the
Speaker 1: last two years or something, and Rob said, what do
Speaker 1: you want?
Speaker 2: I said, I want ten thousand dollars in a shoe
Speaker 2: box and used bills and he sent it to me.
Speaker 2: Really really funny.
Speaker 5: I was involved in that too, because he also, for
Speaker 5: some reason, wanted the sandwich in the box.
Speaker 2: I wanted sandwich panic and there it came to me.
Speaker 2: They were like, we need we need the perstami sandwich.
Speaker 5: I said why, They're like, we're putting it in a
Speaker 5: box with ten thousand dollars in cash.
Speaker 2: I said, that makes no sense and it wasn't even fresh.
Speaker 5: I was like, used bad money. So I remember that
Speaker 5: that was your task? Yeah yeah, I think we got
Speaker 5: it from Canter's. But it was the pandic because everyone
Speaker 5: had everything lined up except for the sandwich.
Speaker 2: Did you get a sandwich?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: We did it before the show's over.
Speaker 3: I can't see it.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be hell to pay. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: so weird. You got it.
Speaker 1: I got it, and I think for the next two years,
Speaker 1: whenever I instead of going to the ATM, I would
Speaker 1: just go to the shoe box.
Speaker 4: So the shoe box is in my office and I
Speaker 4: was like money that smells of pastramah. It was smelly money,
Speaker 4: but it was all right.
Speaker 1: Nothing makes you feel I mean, I don't carry cash
Speaker 1: now like I much do you ever? I mean I
Speaker 1: feel bad for Valley Parking guys and people because nobody's
Speaker 1: ever get any cash.
Speaker 2: I to be able to tap.
Speaker 5: I was first fear when I got here was I
Speaker 5: was like, how am I gonna tip that? How you
Speaker 5: gonna I was gonna ask you guys, But now it
Speaker 5: turns out.
Speaker 2: To me it's included in the fee. Yeah wait, yeah, great,
Speaker 2: just tap on your way.
Speaker 3: Yeah straight, you know.
Speaker 2: Somebody that's right. I don't know how to venmo. Oh yeah, sorry,
Speaker 2: well you're sorry.
Speaker 1: Before we go, though, and we do have to go,
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the fight
Speaker 1: that you're a dad now. Yeah, amazing, dude. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: your son is now what forty forty forty six months? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a long time.
Speaker 2: He's he's fifteen months, right when you stopped doing months?
Speaker 2: Is it two years? I think? So?
Speaker 5: All right, I know, I just do whatever my wife does. Yes,
Speaker 5: a right, she says fifteen She said it yesterday, so
Speaker 5: I'm glad she did so.
Speaker 2: Now I know fifteen months. So it's over a year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's over here, say every year. And his name is Zephyr.
Speaker 3: His name is is.
Speaker 2: Yes, but charus, that's careful, carefully you go mad because
Speaker 2: somebody in a tweet or let's just get out of
Speaker 2: the way real quick.
Speaker 4: There was a guy that tweeted careful Chorus because I
Speaker 4: used Jeff's Twitter one time to promote myself because I
Speaker 4: was like, I've had enough. Nobody knows who I am
Speaker 4: careful Lichorus, and I got all bent out of shape.
Speaker 4: I want to thank that guy whoever. You are one
Speaker 4: of the great catchphrases of all time. And without that tweet,
Speaker 4: we would never have that. Ben never done it, and
Speaker 4: I never saw that that merch related to that unnamed
Speaker 4: robot skeleton. Yeah, but Yannick, yes, Wow, what does that
Speaker 4: name come from? It comes from an Italian tennis player
Speaker 4: who I would just liked. And I was as a
Speaker 4: joke calling when Jen was pregnant. Ill we started calling
Speaker 4: like the baby, you know, I'd be like, Yannick, so
Speaker 4: did she And then like two months in we're like,
Speaker 4: should we just go and commit to this?
Speaker 5: We both really liked it and you said it so much.
Speaker 5: We said it so much, liked it and that's a
Speaker 5: late night thing.
Speaker 2: That's what happened to do. We did things so much
Speaker 2: right at the beginning. He was like, oh god, this
Speaker 2: is We did that with Angela Lansbury and Paul McCartney.
Speaker 1: I remember, did I tell you about Paul McCartney at
Speaker 1: the Grammys? Oh god, it was fucking terrible.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I was presenting something at the Grammys and I walked out.
Speaker 1: It was to Katy Perry or something that I walked
Speaker 1: out and I just you know, they write you a joke,
Speaker 1: some lame joke you have to read off that's gone
Speaker 1: through a committee so that no one's going to get upset.
Speaker 1: So it's written on some giant telepropot for stupid fucking joke.
Speaker 1: Go out there, look at that monkey boy and read
Speaker 1: that and go get the fuck out of here and
Speaker 1: be glad you're part of this show. Bys extravagant. Then yeah,
Speaker 1: so I walk out to do the stupid joke. And
Speaker 1: and because it's a Grammy's the front row. It's all
Speaker 1: like people, and and Paul McCartney standing in the front
Speaker 1: row and he looks at me.
Speaker 4: And I can tell you, oh, because he could, you think,
Speaker 4: because he knew, Oh he knew.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he looked at me. Oh my god, a
Speaker 2: beatle hates me a dick, And and I blame him.
Speaker 2: I mean, we did show that picture of Angel. You
Speaker 2: know why I did it. It's because we got a
Speaker 2: bad review in the La Times and the show was starting.
Speaker 1: Now this' the La Times gave it the show this,
Speaker 1: I really tore it down and this when it when
Speaker 1: when review that show, I mean, but it was right
Speaker 1: at the beginning, okay, I mean because you've taken over,
Speaker 1: you were the name taken over and like the New
Speaker 1: York Post, I mean, I get some terrible The New
Speaker 1: York Post said, it's so awful.
Speaker 2: He looks like he's wearing a wig. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: did not make it back. Wow, that kind of makes
Speaker 2: it better.
Speaker 4: I've been going, yeah, yeah, it's so bad, he looks
Speaker 4: like he's wearing a wig. That's all right, Like, okay,
Speaker 4: Times tore it apart and they said that I did
Speaker 4: the same joke over and over again without any apparent irony.
Speaker 4: I said, I showed it, said do we have a
Speaker 4: picture of Paul McCartney, And we showed the picture of
Speaker 4: Angela Lansbury and they got angry at it, and I thought, right, motherfuckers,
Speaker 4: And I did it almost every show. Okay after that, Wow,
Speaker 4: the Early Times was bought and sold and half a
Speaker 4: dozen times everybody was I'm like, we were still.
Speaker 2: There start as a few.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it became this hilarious, became a thing the people
Speaker 4: still quote and still.
Speaker 2: Post to this day.
Speaker 1: And it made me unpopular with Paul McCartney, which I'm
Speaker 1: still that's upsetting, Yeah, a little bit. You know, it's
Speaker 1: the price you pay.
Speaker 2: I guess but that.
Speaker 1: But there was other times when, like I remember we
Speaker 1: did a thing about Kevin Costner and I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't take this, dances with Wolves things, I'm a dick.
Speaker 2: I can't do it.
Speaker 1: And I had to apologize, and I apologized and apologized,
Speaker 1: and eventually Kevin Costner came on the show and I
Speaker 1: apologized to him.
Speaker 2: Things about me, Yeah, yea for it, dances with Wolves,
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't have dance.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's a big one. That's too much.
Speaker 4: Well, you would take things at you. You you know,
Speaker 4: many times you would refuse to say things maybe that
Speaker 4: we're written in the monologue and yeah, because that's the thing.
Speaker 4: You write stuff, you throw stuff out there. You decide
Speaker 4: what you're going to say a lot of times and
Speaker 4: you say, I don't think.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do that. It takes time to get that
Speaker 2: confidence because at the beginning, and that's like all the
Speaker 2: ship that I fucked up on that show, I think
Speaker 2: was all in the first couple of years, because you know,
Speaker 2: you they hand you stuff. It's like going to the Grammys.
Speaker 1: They hand you a joke and say do this joke
Speaker 1: and you and you do it because you think you're mad,
Speaker 1: you know, and then do it all and then you realize, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing.
Speaker 4: Your stupid fucking that. It's true, and they go, okay, well,
Speaker 4: what do you want to do it? They're like, ah,
Speaker 4: all right, I learned that from you. I did when
Speaker 4: we were doing Radio City. You had a big dance
Speaker 4: number at the beginning, all these you know, wonderful performers,
Speaker 4: and we were choreographing this number and there was a
Speaker 4: video screen with Jeff on there. He and but the
Speaker 4: song that was picked was we did not use it.
Speaker 4: The song they had was smack my bitch up. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah that's and I remember you said, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't think that's the best idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was like what And I you know,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, okay, who cares.
Speaker 3: It's fun. We're having a good time.
Speaker 4: And then that was the first time I kind of went,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, and I didn't think about that, probably shouldn't
Speaker 4: do that. Became kind of more aware of that stuff
Speaker 4: because when you're younger as a performer, like you.
Speaker 2: Said, you just do everything. Yeah, you just want to
Speaker 2: have the target.
Speaker 4: Okay, I just want to be funny and desperate, and
Speaker 4: you're you know, you're in you're in the crosshairs man,
Speaker 4: everyone's watching you.
Speaker 1: Well see that's you know, that's what I think is
Speaker 1: tricky for people who are coming up now, Like, so
Speaker 1: you're putting stuff out there that's digitized and now is
Speaker 1: there forever. Yeah, and so jokes that you fuck up
Speaker 1: on they're there, right, you know, And and you're going
Speaker 1: people are going to if you if it works out
Speaker 1: for you, people are going to come and find that
Speaker 1: joke and try and tear you down with it.
Speaker 4: And it's part of the that's just part of the
Speaker 4: process important learn is making mistakes out over and over again, right,
Speaker 4: you know, you meet people like yourself that kind of
Speaker 4: show you a different way find another way, and you go,
Speaker 4: oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I never thought of that before.
Speaker 1: So we'll finished this episode, yeah, like now and then,
Speaker 1: but here's here's the pitch for like, in about I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe less than a year from that we started,
Speaker 1: we'll have to discuss your contract with Netflix, and I
Speaker 1: don't know what exclusives you've got going on right now,
Speaker 1: We'll we'll talk, right So here's but here's my pitch
Speaker 1: to you guys. In about less than a year, we
Speaker 1: do a podcast and it's just the three of us
Speaker 1: man robot, horse, robot horseman horse, robot.
Speaker 2: Man, whatever the whatever.
Speaker 1: The buildings up every week every week and we'll take
Speaker 1: a subject every week, like, for example.
Speaker 2: Episode one, Roman Empire, Episode two Ottoman we did got
Speaker 2: Me into It, Steve Crazy punched in New York.
Speaker 4: Crazy.
Speaker 2: You can do Steve Jesus got Man gees.
Speaker 4: There's Empire, Empire Strikes Back, Empire Strikes Empire Biscuits, Empire Biscuits,
Speaker 4: and then Empire's Late Late.
Speaker 2: Show brought to you by Empire Business, I think.
Speaker 3: By Empire Biscuits.
Speaker 2: Ason Shadow would roll in and just do that anyway.
Speaker 4: So we're gonna so we're gonna we're gonna meet here
Speaker 4: in a year about a year's time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll just do what We'll do an episode once.
Speaker 1: A week only Empires. It doesn't have to be Empires.
Speaker 1: It can be like we can put a little hat.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great idea, put a hat in the
Speaker 1: middle of the and then these are the subjects that
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about today. We shud pick one
Speaker 1: out and I'll pick out Roman Empire because that's the
Speaker 1: one I want to talk about. And you can pick
Speaker 1: out Morgan's freaking's career, and you can pick out tennis
Speaker 1: players from the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2: Sure, I just happened to get that, and then and
Speaker 2: then we'll do that.
Speaker 1: Oh it's perfect. Yeah, so horse rollboat man. We picked
Speaker 1: a subject out of the one each put in by Thomas.
Speaker 1: Thomas will put it because he'll produce it, and then
Speaker 1: that would just be the forest. By the way, do
Speaker 1: you know what to I was going to tell you
Speaker 1: this right at the beginning.
Speaker 2: Zacho pile? Do you know what it means? And check? Undertaker?
Speaker 4: Really so under Thomas undertake Thomas the Undertaker, Yeah he's
Speaker 4: about right, Yeah, very friendly undertaker though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do you know I had an Undertaker on
Speaker 1: this podcast? Yeah, William Villanova, I sure did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen. Yes he was funny unless he wasn't funny.
Speaker 4: No, he was good.
Speaker 2: You guys are assholes. You I don't even know why
Speaker 2: we're friends. Get wait, not
Speaker 3: A paper for total per