Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's say I'm here with a quick little announcement,
Speaker 1: and that is that we are doing Stridia Lab live
Speaker 1: back in New York City on Wednesday, April sixteenth at
Speaker 1: the Bellhouse. Couldn't be more excited. It's a special editions
Speaker 1: we're calling it Lesbio Lab, and we're discussing lesbian topics
Speaker 1: with some of our incredible guests, including Sydney Washington, Andrew Longshu,
Speaker 1: and Natalie Rodter Lateman. So the lineups to die for.
Speaker 1: I haven't been back in New York in a few
Speaker 1: months and I cannot wait. So please get tickets. They're
Speaker 1: in our bios and we would love to see you there. Bye. Okay,
Speaker 1: podcast starts now.
Speaker 2: Hi George, Oh my god, I'm loving it here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well not quite, it is. Okay. First of all, I
Speaker 2: would I'm I'm vowing not to say anything negative about
Speaker 2: Los Angeles for a full calendar year because because of
Speaker 2: because yes, because of everything Angelina's have been through. You know,
Speaker 2: I have so much effects. It's very kind of thank you.
Speaker 2: I have so much affection for the city of Los
Speaker 2: Angeles despite all my negative associations with it. Okay, sure,
Speaker 2: that said, What's the plan.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to what you Aubredy have said, yes,
Speaker 1: which is you know you have all these issues with
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and yet if you push tho aside, you
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And that's such an amazing way to view the world,
Speaker 1: because pretty much anyone I have issue with, if you
Speaker 1: take away all the issues I share them, I love
Speaker 1: them to death. I have no problems with them at all,
Speaker 1: as long as the problems are taken away.
Speaker 2: Where's my thing with Los Angeles? Is? I actually like,
Speaker 2: I genuinely love reading like cultural histories of Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: and I like in the I think it's like one
Speaker 2: of those things that I actually love in theory and
Speaker 2: struggle with in practice. I genuinely like I am the
Speaker 2: King of Didion, Eve bad Bets. Give me like Lana
Speaker 2: like sure music about Los Ange's, films about Los Angers
Speaker 2: like I am, I will eat it up. And then
Speaker 2: I arrive and suddenly I'm like, wait, why am I
Speaker 2: meeting like a music executive who is wearing like weird
Speaker 2: designer birkenstocks And suddenly we're out to lunch and I
Speaker 2: have to impress him.
Speaker 1: No. I think all those media sort of aggrandizings of
Speaker 1: L A R. L. I no disrespect everything disrespected Jodon
Speaker 1: John Didion. She was making stuff up.
Speaker 2: Let's start knowing. Well, she was quite literally telling herself
Speaker 2: stories to live.
Speaker 1: But she was fully lying. She was living in malle
Speaker 1: She was not chilling in East Hollywood.
Speaker 2: She was something no one talks about. And she was
Speaker 2: fully in Malibu, just.
Speaker 1: Hanging out and being like, God, I love La. She
Speaker 1: was like, no, you love Malibu.
Speaker 2: Boki Cigrettes, not eating for five days out.
Speaker 1: Of the drinking fully starting at noon and she's like, God,
Speaker 1: this city is amazing.
Speaker 2: It's like and they're like, God, she's so.
Speaker 1: Right, she's so smart. I mean there, I literally have
Speaker 1: not had a meal out in public that wasn't next
Speaker 1: to someone talking about their like aspiring modeling, acting, music
Speaker 1: career in a full calendar year. That can That can
Speaker 1: do a lot to someone. I feared leaving my home
Speaker 1: because you have to find a parking spot wherever you go.
Speaker 1: Everywhere I go, I'm stranded there. There's there's no free fun.
Speaker 1: You are just you are everywhere you go. You are
Speaker 1: stuck and you are scared. And I think all these
Speaker 1: people there needs to be new media about la you.
Speaker 1: I need someone to romanticize, you know, the fact that
Speaker 1: you have to go home because you couldn't find parking.
Speaker 1: I need someone to romanticize, like you actually ubered to
Speaker 1: get drinks with a friend where they drove, so you
Speaker 1: wasted your uber money because you were actually planning on
Speaker 1: getting four drinks where they were planning on getting one
Speaker 1: and a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know nobody.
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 2: You know that show with Adam Brody.
Speaker 1: I'm just supposed to know every show.
Speaker 2: No, Oh my god, this is Adam Brody, Like that's
Speaker 2: why he's having a resurgence. Two podcasting sisters.
Speaker 1: Oh, I haven't heard of this.
Speaker 2: It's I'm going to just keep describing it. This is
Speaker 2: not this is not good footage.
Speaker 1: Keep going well anyway about it.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's about two sisters that have a
Speaker 2: podcast in the year twenty twenty four. So it's maybe
Speaker 2: exactly what you're what the doctor ordered for you. I'm
Speaker 2: it romanticizes Los Angeles in a way where you're actually
Speaker 2: kind of like, maybe none of these people deserve to
Speaker 2: have careers or jobs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just that I want to people need to
Speaker 1: say whether or not we're ubering or driving.
Speaker 2: Should we bring in our guest away in I think.
Speaker 1: We should, And because it's also starting to sound so
Speaker 1: stereotypical podcasting that I think we need a new energy
Speaker 1: in here.
Speaker 2: I agree, and we're we've never been stereotypical in our lives.
Speaker 2: Everything we do is unique, and everything we do is
Speaker 2: unique and has never been done before.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So with that being said, please on the podcast
Speaker 1: Alan Hi.
Speaker 2: The one really is you can't say anything on original? Okay,
Speaker 2: are you from California?
Speaker 3: I'm from Long Beach. Yeah. Oh yeah, So I feel
Speaker 3: slightly disrespectful.
Speaker 2: About romanticizing California and romanticizing Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, Lala Land did a pretty good job.
Speaker 3: I would say I would agree. You know, they had
Speaker 3: a full dance break musical number in the Los Angeles
Speaker 3: traffic true?
Speaker 2: True? Ready do we claim lo lo Land? Do you
Speaker 2: remember at the time when it was like Lala Land,
Speaker 2: what you might be a Trump supporter if you like
Speaker 2: I don't remember this, and some people were like, well,
Speaker 2: if you like Lola Land, trump.
Speaker 3: Supporter, My gosh, I don't remember that discourse of it.
Speaker 1: It was an amazing time.
Speaker 3: I have rewatched Lala Land somewhat recently and it's so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually good.
Speaker 3: It's like I have a boyfriend. Sorry, I just need
Speaker 3: to certify this great this before discussing. But I like,
Speaker 3: I want him to cry. I think that's every woman's
Speaker 3: goal in a heterosexual relationship. Yes, I need to see
Speaker 3: him cry. I want to know that there's emotions and depth.
Speaker 3: And so when we first got together, I had him
Speaker 3: watch Marley and Me because I'm like, that's like, that's sort.
Speaker 2: Of basically emotional.
Speaker 3: Not a good movie, but like you will cry. And
Speaker 3: then you know, it had been some time since that.
Speaker 3: So we put on Lalla Land and he did get
Speaker 3: choked up.
Speaker 1: Oh that's nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm like, Okay, Lala Land is a great
Speaker 3: movie for many reasons.
Speaker 2: I feel like that is such a big part of
Speaker 2: straight relationships. Is women once a month being like, let's
Speaker 2: check a few his feelings again. Yeah, totally, because I'm
Speaker 2: starting to get suspicious that he might not anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, it's almost like a scab like they over time,
Speaker 1: they just do scab up and you have to like
Speaker 1: break it off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to like remind them. Yeah, you have
Speaker 2: to show them some pain in the world and be
Speaker 2: like how does this make you feel?
Speaker 3: This is a test that because I feel like guys
Speaker 3: are always like oh when women, you know, when you're
Speaker 3: in a relationship, and women are are like, it's fine,
Speaker 3: we know it's not fun. You just got to tell us.
Speaker 3: And then I'll be like how is your day and
Speaker 3: they're like good. So I'm like you don't give anything either.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: It's come on, let's do a little deeper.
Speaker 2: It's the comfort with like you know, it's this is
Speaker 2: a cliche, but like guys will have friends that they
Speaker 2: know nothing about and they are lifelong friends, or like
Speaker 2: I would die for him, like I'm giving a speech
Speaker 2: at his wedding, do not know a single thing about him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm starting to get into this territory with some people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where now it's like like going out friends. I feel
Speaker 1: like I have people that I know simply from like
Speaker 1: we go to the same bar on Friday, and I'll
Speaker 1: like see them on Friday and it's like I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll live in forget the name. If it's been
Speaker 1: a month, yeah, I'll be like oh and hi, and
Speaker 1: it's like at what point do we I don't know
Speaker 1: if I want to take to the next level and
Speaker 1: at what point should I.
Speaker 3: I think that's fine. I talked to my therapist about this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's like you can have little friend circles. So there's
Speaker 3: like the really close circle, and then there's like the
Speaker 3: acquaintin circle, and then there's maybe bar friend circle. Like
Speaker 3: there's different circles. Not everyone needs to be at the
Speaker 3: same level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what you're saying is, yes, not everyone
Speaker 2: needs to be the same level. And then the issue
Speaker 2: with the strake I think is that then, but that's
Speaker 2: their closest friends. Oh that's a good Yeah, She'll be
Speaker 2: like that's my best friend.
Speaker 3: My well, my my boyfriend, one of his closest friends
Speaker 3: from growing up is getting married having a wedding. My
Speaker 3: boyfriend has been asked to be one of the best groomsmen,
Speaker 3: best men, whatever it's called. And my boyfriend's like, so
Speaker 3: he he couldn't be. He's like, I don't want to go.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's your one of your closest friends.
Speaker 3: But I think guys just don't have that connection to
Speaker 3: friendships where it's like, oh, this is an important thing.
Speaker 3: They're like, and now I have to go to this wedding,
Speaker 3: Like it's just an errand like, you know, is it is.
Speaker 1: It an inconvenient wedding especially.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, it's it's a nation wedding. It's it's
Speaker 3: a bit of an inconvenience. But it's like he's getting married.
Speaker 3: You gotta go, you gotta suck it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because the stereotype, it's like, okay, man
Speaker 2: won't see the point of it. But then the stereotype
Speaker 2: of the sexist stereotype of course of a woman is
Speaker 2: like she's excited to go and also do emotional warfare
Speaker 2: at the destination wedding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't be able to make the wedding, so.
Speaker 1: Because it's inconvenient, No, we're not going to go without him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wait, he's going to go.
Speaker 3: He's going.
Speaker 2: He just doesn't want to, yes, yea, yeah, but you
Speaker 2: can't go.
Speaker 3: But now I can't go, which I was like, i
Speaker 3: was happy. I don't even know this guy very well,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, come on, babe, it's a trip. We'll
Speaker 3: make it, you know a thing. But yeah, yeah, guys,
Speaker 3: guys friendships straight man's friendships are very disconnected.
Speaker 2: There is something it's a very specific experience to be
Speaker 2: a plus one at a wedding where you're hearing all
Speaker 2: these people say such emotional and intimate things and you
Speaker 2: just have to nod along and it means nothing.
Speaker 3: For you, but it kind of means everything.
Speaker 2: Because because you're sort of like watching them, because.
Speaker 3: It is so like loving. It's like I'm watching a
Speaker 3: movie and I'm still invested in your life.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Wow, I actually need to go to a wedding where
Speaker 1: I know the people even less. I think that would
Speaker 1: be really helpful because I want to test this theory
Speaker 1: because I've been to weddings where I'm like, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: like seeing you like twice a year over eight years,
Speaker 1: but like we're never really close, but I still like
Speaker 1: know a little too much to lose myself. Like it's
Speaker 1: almost like being friends with an actor and you like
Speaker 1: see their movie and you're like, well, I still know
Speaker 1: it's John, Yeah. Whereas I want to almost see a
Speaker 1: full stranger's wedding and see if I can lose myself
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 3: I think for sure, because I think even more so
Speaker 3: than someone you know, because if I if one of
Speaker 3: my friends was getting married, I'd be like she'd be
Speaker 3: saying her vows and they'd be beautiful and I'd be
Speaker 3: like she was talking about him last month. I know
Speaker 3: what the real tea is.
Speaker 1: That is really complicated because and I hate when weddings
Speaker 1: they lean too much into the deprecation and they're like,
Speaker 1: and Todd is such a fucking loser and he's lucky
Speaker 1: he got me because I hate but there needs to
Speaker 1: be a balance, and it's really hard to hit that balance.
Speaker 2: There's a comic in New York so if Hiphelton, and
Speaker 2: they have a joke about how the premises that you
Speaker 2: should be able to buy tickets to any wedding, like
Speaker 2: it should just be on Live Nation, and like if
Speaker 2: you want to go, you should go, and it can
Speaker 2: be expensive, but like, if you want to you should go.
Speaker 2: And I think it's one of the most brilliant premises
Speaker 2: I've ever heard, because it's like it really is so true,
Speaker 2: Like I actually it is meant to be an entertaining
Speaker 2: theater piece, and I should be able to go to
Speaker 2: like someone I sort of stalk online's wedding if I
Speaker 2: want to, I don't have to make myself known, like
Speaker 2: I could be very sort of way in the back.
Speaker 1: Of course, and obviously the family would get like a
Speaker 1: VIP section maybe exactly, maybe open bar for them.
Speaker 2: And by the way, you recoup the funds. I mean,
Speaker 2: weddings are expended. If you sell tickets, then you can
Speaker 2: even make a profit.
Speaker 1: I meant that's get that social media numbers up, and
Speaker 1: you can the.
Speaker 2: Social media numbers up. We have people we can introduce
Speaker 2: you to for short form video content. They do great,
Speaker 2: great stuff over at iHeart. I just think, I mean,
Speaker 2: and you don't have to, like, if you want to
Speaker 2: be sort of like a let I you can do
Speaker 2: a non social media, non ticketed wedding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you like hate the public, yeah, total hiding something.
Speaker 2: Are you getting married?
Speaker 3: No? No, I think if I were to get married,
Speaker 3: I would do like a little elopement. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 3: like a little elopement is cute. My grandma got eloped,
Speaker 3: which is like so fierce.
Speaker 2: I love got eloped.
Speaker 3: She eloped. I mean it is kind of one of
Speaker 3: those old school loves where all of a sudden you
Speaker 3: just got eloped. Yeah, but she eloped in Vegas, which
Speaker 3: is like because now she's like ninety somethings, just when
Speaker 3: she was.
Speaker 2: Young, Yes, okay, yeah, I was like, maybe she's like
Speaker 2: has like this third act where she like fell in
Speaker 2: love in her eighties.
Speaker 3: No, but I just love that, like back in the
Speaker 3: day when everyone's kind I feel like back in the day,
Speaker 3: everything was way more traditional. So the fact that she
Speaker 3: eloped in Vegas is real fierce pretty punk rock. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My grandmother, when we were younger, would sometimes let
Speaker 2: it slip that she was like very I'm trying to
Speaker 2: say this in respectful way, that in her village in
Speaker 2: Greece she was very popular as a woman. Yeah, go
Speaker 2: with my grandfather.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting, And then we were also like, okay, like what
Speaker 2: is what is the most progressive and way to respond
Speaker 2: to this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Can I ask what type of language does she
Speaker 1: used to say this?
Speaker 2: I think it's more like I think it's literally like
Speaker 2: along the lines of what I'm saying, like I was
Speaker 2: very popular with the boys or something.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my grandma aged about having giant boobs, and that's
Speaker 3: why my grandpa really loved her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that'll do it. Yeah, giant boobs, Vegas elopement.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's kind of a queen.
Speaker 3: I know. I'm like kind of sad that I only
Speaker 3: know her as an old woman, because I'm like, I
Speaker 3: want to go out with you, girl, you seem fun.
Speaker 2: It is crazy that we're now full fledged adults and
Speaker 2: we're still like figuring out that our parents and grandparents
Speaker 2: used to be young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally well, and it's even worse now that I've
Speaker 1: like nieces and nephews. I'm like, oh, no, you're only
Speaker 1: gonna know me as like the old guy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I am trying to do this joke right now about
Speaker 3: how frustrating frustrating it is to become an aunt or
Speaker 3: an uncle or something, because no one asks you if
Speaker 3: you're ready. You don't, like, Yeah, when my sisters were like,
Speaker 3: we're having a baby, I'm like, you weren't going to
Speaker 3: ask me, Like, I'm not ready to become an aunt.
Speaker 3: Like now I have to watch my life go by
Speaker 3: through the lens of your children growing up. It's horrifying.
Speaker 1: It's it is horrifying because even like now, my like
Speaker 1: nephew is like three, and I'm like, whoa, but I
Speaker 1: haven't changed much in the last three years. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's not fair. And there's no shouldn't that shouldn't
Speaker 1: be reflected.
Speaker 2: Back in me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's no like, like parents have so many
Speaker 3: books on how to be a good parent, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I need a book. I don't know how to be
Speaker 3: an aunt. I feel like a deadbe aunt. Am I
Speaker 3: supposed to get them gifts? Every time I see them?
Speaker 3: How often do I talk to them? Do they even
Speaker 3: registered to me on FaceTime? Like, what's the best way
Speaker 3: to like be an active aunt in their life?
Speaker 1: The way that you can make it your own does
Speaker 1: actually stress me out. I wish there was a set
Speaker 1: of rules, yeah, because I'm even like, do you like
Speaker 1: I'm almost like waiting to be told, like I want
Speaker 1: my sister to be like, no, get them presents, because
Speaker 1: right now I'm like, well that would be I would
Speaker 1: be annoyed if I if you guys like had a
Speaker 1: bunch of junk now, because every time I saw you, you
Speaker 1: got a toy.
Speaker 3: But then when I show up empty handed, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you guys hate me, You guys hate me. I'm being
Speaker 3: a bad job.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: The way we live truly at hebnute walk from our
Speaker 2: niece and so we see her all the time. But
Speaker 2: every time I walk in empty handed, I know it's
Speaker 2: in my head, but I can almost see my sister
Speaker 2: in law being like, oh so you just sort of
Speaker 2: can't shut up, not even like a little onesie or
Speaker 2: sort of like a little a little toy or stuffed animal.
Speaker 2: There is an expectation that you should be which if
Speaker 2: she's listening, I don't actually think that, but there's an
Speaker 2: expectation that like every that like your job as uncle
Speaker 2: or aunt is like to produce presents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and speaking of the if you're listening, I don't
Speaker 1: mean any of this. I actually do want to address this.
Speaker 1: I texted you about this. Yeah, we're not a place
Speaker 1: where you want to be critiqued. This new thing, this
Speaker 1: is my new thing that I actually think is really smart.
Speaker 1: I think in the same way that no one asks
Speaker 1: for consent whether you want to be an aunt or uncle.
Speaker 1: No one's no one's asking me if I'm ready to
Speaker 1: be critiqued, And I'm not always ready to be critiqued.
Speaker 3: Like in what sense I can comment on.
Speaker 2: When there is a video that was boasted of us
Speaker 2: where we say something about how off and lesbians we
Speaker 2: know fall into mask and femme dynamics. Yeah, and so,
Speaker 2: as you might imagine in the comments, there is an army,
Speaker 2: a militaristic army of lesbians that are telling us to
Speaker 2: read queer history.
Speaker 1: Wow, literally just being like it's called a book, read one,
Speaker 1: and it's like enough, Like and then I've seen this
Speaker 1: comment like at least twelve times now, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: how many more people are going to say, read a
Speaker 1: book on queer history? Like, first of all, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to. Second of all, like that's not a note
Speaker 1: you can just give someone on Instagram. Like it's also
Speaker 1: like I'm just like be mad like but like just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, find a private place to do it.
Speaker 1: I'm not in a place where I want to be critiqued.
Speaker 2: How do you feel? What is your relationship to critique?
Speaker 3: I think I used to be really bothered by it,
Speaker 3: and I don't know when or how it happened, but
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't care.
Speaker 2: I sort of been the same way. I've reached to
Speaker 2: point of zen about it where I almost see it
Speaker 2: as like I'm watching a reality show in the comments section,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, ooh, there's a new character, and like
Speaker 2: her thing is that she's actually commenting like this to
Speaker 2: every existing comment. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I've looked up all these people, every single one.
Speaker 1: I know where they live, I know what their deal is.
Speaker 1: I am not so you know how Like we've talked
Speaker 1: about how people don't have like internet media literacy especially
Speaker 1: and they'll post something really.
Speaker 2: Stupid like only people that do actually, And.
Speaker 1: So when people people post something like share this to say,
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg, you can't have my data. Yeah, Like I'm
Speaker 1: ready to make a if any graphic designers are out there,
Speaker 1: I want a blurry graphic that says share this if
Speaker 1: you are not in a place to be critiqued. If
Speaker 1: you share this photo, you are not allowed to be.
Speaker 3: No comments, no questions concerned.
Speaker 1: There's also something it does about me to where it's
Speaker 1: like the same. The way that it's the same comment
Speaker 1: is like you have to look at what's already been
Speaker 1: said and be like, oh, that's that's been taking.
Speaker 3: I think you need to I think you need to
Speaker 3: lean into it and start posting more controversial clips. So
Speaker 3: then that way, there's just so many critiques that you
Speaker 3: are like, well, I just I personally cannot take critique, so.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. But Sam doesn't want to do that.
Speaker 2: But then when we do it, you get married. I
Speaker 2: like literally wants to Sam is like I liked it
Speaker 2: at first.
Speaker 1: I liked like four when there were four comments I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm in heaven, but there were twenty comments.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, can I say.
Speaker 3: Is better than exactly, there's way more personal twenty It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're just repeating each other.
Speaker 2: And that's when and also to feel like bots.
Speaker 1: It just start to feel like.
Speaker 2: And someone sees that there's already a bunch of comments,
Speaker 2: it feels less personal for them too. They're like, and
Speaker 2: this is I mean, I hate to say, but we
Speaker 2: are also I mean, not that you and I are
Speaker 2: commenting on I never commented, I know, but like when
Speaker 2: something is suddenly, when something has more traction, it feels
Speaker 2: more faceless, and it's it might as well be like
Speaker 2: a clip from local news or something that's like going viral.
Speaker 2: I guess, okay, here's what I think is happening. We
Speaker 2: are so obsessed with telling other people they don't have
Speaker 2: internet literacy, but then when things like this happened to us,
Speaker 2: that happened to everyone, were suddenly like, I'm sorry, why
Speaker 2: am I being a dad? Well?
Speaker 1: There is something where I'm like, we've always stayed in
Speaker 1: our general pool, like everyone that likes our podcast like to.
Speaker 2: Have a guest and be like talking at you.
Speaker 1: I think it's almost like a therapist sort of witnessing
Speaker 1: and being able to Yeah. But I think like before
Speaker 1: we've been in and this is what I said was
Speaker 1: good before, where I said like this. With this clip,
Speaker 1: I feel like we're letting go of the wall in
Speaker 1: the pool and we're kind of going into the defense.
Speaker 3: But that's good because say, for every if you're opening
Speaker 3: the pool or whatever, more people are saying this that
Speaker 3: aren't in the group. That means like for everyone shady comment,
Speaker 3: that's like maybe at least one to one ratio of
Speaker 3: one new person being like, oh, I kind of like this,
Speaker 3: But they're not going to because because no one comments
Speaker 3: anything normal or boring, no one's gonna comment I like this.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be like yes, We're like fuck, it's like
Speaker 2: the silent, the silent normal majority.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: And this is across the board. This is actually, this
Speaker 2: is all the listeners out there. I am issuing the
Speaker 2: spread love challenge.
Speaker 1: You watch a video and you say this is good
Speaker 1: and you want to spread some love, comment this is
Speaker 1: good period.
Speaker 3: See, but then you have to reverse psychology. This is
Speaker 3: what you have to You have to reverse psychology and
Speaker 3: be like no, bring it, give me your harshest thing,
Speaker 3: because when you allow people to say me and stuff,
Speaker 3: then they're going to go so easy because now it's like, well,
Speaker 3: this isn't fun anymore.
Speaker 1: That's true, Okay, lesbians hit us with everything you've got,
Speaker 1: recommend that literature in a way that we could never
Speaker 1: ever imagine.
Speaker 2: We are not in a fight with lesbians with this post.
Speaker 2: We are, I mean, we can't. My final word personally
Speaker 2: on this is just like we amplify queer women's voices
Speaker 2: so often, and are they It's like the people we
Speaker 2: love the most are queer women and it hurts so
Speaker 2: much to say them turned on us.
Speaker 1: Oh this is a good clip.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Oh my god, you're thinking you want you
Speaker 2: want this to happen again.
Speaker 3: Wait, but what was the original clip? Just that there's
Speaker 3: mask and fem and then people Definitely.
Speaker 2: We're definitely being like flippant with our judgments and we
Speaker 2: know that we're being very much like, oh god, we
Speaker 2: can't go into it again. We're being just like we
Speaker 2: had Lisa Trey Rond and Lisa was like you know,
Speaker 2: I know many lesbian couples had fall into mask fem norms.
Speaker 2: And then we are being like, yeah, it's crazy that
Speaker 2: many lesbians we know fall into mask feminoids, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, so do like gay guys do too. They're
Speaker 2: just like sort of gi guys are just like dumber
Speaker 2: than Lesbiant.
Speaker 3: Said this, I have a couple's therapists. Is that straight culture?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's hard to tell.
Speaker 3: It's hard to tell, but my my couple's therapists because
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, you know the norms blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: male female and she's like, no, this comes up a
Speaker 3: lot in my time sex couple. So shout out to
Speaker 3: Laura for confirming this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Laura.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to And that's actually the final word
Speaker 2: on this is shout out to Laura.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Should we do it for a segment?
Speaker 1: I think we should do it for a segment.
Speaker 2: Our first segment is called Straight Shooters, and in this segment,
Speaker 2: we test your familiarity with and complicity and straight culture
Speaker 2: by asking you a series of rapid fire questions where
Speaker 2: you have to choose one thing or another thing. It's
Speaker 2: sort of our shack test to see how your mind's
Speaker 2: are working. Okay, and the one rule is you can't
Speaker 2: ask any follow up questions about how the game works,
Speaker 2: because if you do, We're going to be really mad
Speaker 2: at you. Don't try to look for logic.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I just said that's a question.
Speaker 1: That's a question. Okay, Okay, hold on, I have to
Speaker 1: find them, Okay. Ally, a cloudy day or a poudy day.
Speaker 2: A cloudy day, Rylo Kylie or Riley Keo.
Speaker 3: Riley Keo?
Speaker 1: Whoa a new season of White Lotus or a new
Speaker 1: reason to fight potus.
Speaker 3: A new reason to fight yay?
Speaker 2: The Woke Mind virus or the folk music Resurgence, Oh
Speaker 2: the yeah?
Speaker 3: Totally mm, because I don't know if I'm liking these
Speaker 3: or not, like the Woke Mind virus went the ya?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, Recommending a book or complimenting a cook, complimenting
Speaker 1: a cook.
Speaker 2: Skipping leg day or dipping to Beyonce.
Speaker 1: Dipping, skipping leg Day, subscribing to a sub stack, or
Speaker 1: whining after a.
Speaker 3: Nut tap, whining after a nut tap.
Speaker 2: A professionally trained ballerina, or a suspiciously blood stained pashmina.
Speaker 3: Ooh, suspiciously blood stained pashmina. Wow, what do you guys
Speaker 3: think about?
Speaker 2: Okay, So we let's rank our guest performance on a
Speaker 2: scale of zero to one thousand doves, and I actually
Speaker 2: think that was a really good performance.
Speaker 1: I think that was an amazing performance. There was there
Speaker 1: was wonder, there was natural curiosity, there was confidence, but
Speaker 1: not arrogance.
Speaker 2: You were a woman in the beginning of a rom
Speaker 2: com who is like, everything is going really well in
Speaker 2: her life, but there's one thing missing. Like you had
Speaker 2: a natural air of curiosity about you. You there was
Speaker 2: so much happening behind your eyes. It was you were
Speaker 2: giving a really great, grounded performance and it made me think, like,
Speaker 2: I want to know what makes this girl tick?
Speaker 3: Wow, thank you.
Speaker 1: So i'd say eight hundred and twenty three three doves.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love being talked about just like I'm like, wow,
Speaker 3: keep going. What else?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, you know I told you this before we were recording,
Speaker 2: but your hair is like so like beautiful and like
Speaker 2: it's actually very Los Angeles woman.
Speaker 1: You know now that you're saying that, it makes so
Speaker 1: much sense. But I had no idea you were a
Speaker 1: West Coast.
Speaker 3: Yeah. People think I'm like maybe some sometimes people say Midwest,
Speaker 3: sometimes people say Southern. But I think it's because I
Speaker 3: kind of mumble.
Speaker 2: But there are handsome a California accents. Now I'm hearing
Speaker 2: not like, not super intense. It's not like Valley Girl.
Speaker 2: But there's a California cadence that I am familiar with.
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess here's here's the weird thing that doesn't
Speaker 3: make sense. How Okay, I'm gonna spell a word. You
Speaker 3: say it, okay, f O U N t A I
Speaker 3: N fountain fountain, I say fountain, fountain.
Speaker 1: Fountain, mountain, fountain fountain. Hmmm.
Speaker 3: And then like my boyfriend makes fun of me because
Speaker 3: me and my mom and my sister say, I guess
Speaker 3: we say milk.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's such a Yeah, that's the very But I
Speaker 1: feel like that's like mid Atlantic. That's like marill into
Speaker 1: my mind.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know so that. But everyone
Speaker 3: in my family, like my parents, that everyone's like California.
Speaker 2: I recently realized I've been saying scars instead of scarce whoa,
Speaker 2: and no one has ever corrected me whoa, even though
Speaker 2: I obviously have heard other people say that way.
Speaker 3: I think that's a great sign of who you are
Speaker 3: that people just go he knows what, Yeah, he knows.
Speaker 3: I'm surely I'm the wrong one here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe or maybe they're like, really fucking goes against
Speaker 2: scars Jesus.
Speaker 1: I guess I've never heard you say that word. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what what was the moment they clicked?
Speaker 2: My husband corrected me. Really, he said, if you want
Speaker 2: to stay in this marriage, better learn how to say
Speaker 2: now that.
Speaker 1: Now that it's locked down, I can finally be honest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you say this wrong.
Speaker 2: I also do struggle with saying the word singer, yeah,
Speaker 2: singer that I think that's how I'm supposed to say it,
Speaker 2: But I get really kind of like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, singer, singer. I love when people say singer. Yeah
Speaker 1: I sing Saying singer is so like you are like
Speaker 1: a mother of two, but you still think you've like
Speaker 1: got a shot at making it. Yeah, America's got talent,
Speaker 1: and you're like being interviewed and you're like, I've just
Speaker 1: always wanted to be a singer.
Speaker 3: I feel like now you're saying it, I'm like, it's
Speaker 3: a bad word, Like it doesn't but it doesn't singer singer.
Speaker 2: Be a Yeah, it's a bad word, as in it's
Speaker 2: a slur or it's a bad word.
Speaker 3: Like depending on who's singing, who's.
Speaker 2: Singing, If you yourself are a singer, you can say singer, but.
Speaker 3: I think it's just a weird word.
Speaker 2: But it's a bad word.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, singer, it's not right, No, it doesn't. There's
Speaker 3: no flow.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of. Okay, so like bringer, like I'm.
Speaker 3: Anything with the g is that it's not got to
Speaker 3: flow or I guess you.
Speaker 1: Know, it does work though, finger finger.
Speaker 2: Kind of finger finger, because you would never say finger finger.
Speaker 3: No, finger finger. Yeah, that actually that's so true.
Speaker 2: It was one of those words that's like that is
Speaker 2: exactly what that is meant to be finger finger, which
Speaker 2: growth finger already kind of gross and witchy. And then
Speaker 2: of course the disgusting term fingering, like of.
Speaker 3: Course that term it's got a ring to ring.
Speaker 2: There's there's no way to be elegant while saying the
Speaker 2: term fingering it.
Speaker 1: Because it's always juvenile. If you were getting fingered, you're
Speaker 1: like in my like everyone's getting fingers, getting fingered.
Speaker 2: But you can't be like you know, Julie Andrews and
Speaker 2: be like, oh I.
Speaker 3: Was fingered, but it's not for her.
Speaker 2: It's not for her. She's British.
Speaker 1: People have a different word for fingering. Oh, I'm sure
Speaker 1: they need one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like I was digitized. Oh, actually, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: start saying digitized and I was digitized.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that jacking off is a
Speaker 3: horrible I agree.
Speaker 2: Here's a question for you. Yeah, did you grow up
Speaker 2: with jacking off or jerking off?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. I feel like I
Speaker 3: wasn't doing much of that growing up, and I'm and
Speaker 3: I wasn't part of the dialogue around.
Speaker 1: You remove yourself from that conversation.
Speaker 3: I feel like, though, like if I'm trying to remember
Speaker 3: being a teen, I feel like everyone was probably jerking off.
Speaker 3: I feel like jerking was more.
Speaker 1: I'm like trying to like go back to childhood remember
Speaker 1: up with jacking.
Speaker 2: But then I actually think after I came out, jerking
Speaker 2: became more among the guys. Next year. Oh but I
Speaker 2: think even even like it's like, you know, it's like
Speaker 2: the difference between dick and cock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: Cok has a more like sexy connotation, and I think
Speaker 2: jerk versus jack also has that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, jack and cock both just sound more aggressive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard of jack and coke, but jack and
Speaker 1: cock and cock? Yeah we should Okay, okay, So what
Speaker 1: is your topic today? And you know what is roughly
Speaker 1: straight about it to you?
Speaker 3: Okay, so so many crossed my mind, but I guess
Speaker 3: something that I feel like is a very straight concept
Speaker 3: is like YouTube celebrities and YouTube controversies. Yeah, so, I
Speaker 3: mean the main one being anything surrounding Breonna Chicken Fry,
Speaker 3: I E. Zach Bryan, I E. Barstool, I E. Dave Portnoy.
Speaker 3: I feel like that universe, in the kind of mainstream
Speaker 3: YouTube universe is pretty straight.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have to agree. It's even when you
Speaker 1: first suggested this topic, I was like Brianna Chicken Fry Like,
Speaker 1: I was like, what does that mean? I've never heard
Speaker 1: of this? And then I had to go back and
Speaker 1: be like, wait, I did hear about this on the
Speaker 1: only straight podcast I listened to, And even still I
Speaker 1: didn't understand it. And they talk about it all the time,
Speaker 1: and I don't get it.
Speaker 2: The thing with so, I'm the same way with a
Speaker 2: uneekly they talk about Brianna Chicken Fry a lot and
Speaker 2: the way I quite literally love those both of those
Speaker 2: girls to death, But I as soon as the name
Speaker 2: is mentioned, I ton it. I cannot physically pay.
Speaker 3: Atten because I think the name in it of itself. Yes,
Speaker 3: chicken fry. It's not her real last name for anyone
Speaker 3: who doesn't know, it's a name that she gave herself.
Speaker 3: And even that is like, what's something that guys will
Speaker 3: get into, Like, my name's Brianna. I'm a girl, but
Speaker 3: if I say chicken fry, then guys might open their
Speaker 3: ears a little.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, I'm a girl.
Speaker 2: But it's also there is something so transcendent about it
Speaker 2: because to me, Brianna chicken Fry is quite literally like
Speaker 2: what a drag name would be if there were no
Speaker 2: gay people ever, Like it's like it is a it
Speaker 2: is a completely It's like if a bunch of straight
Speaker 2: men and straight women got together and they were like,
Speaker 2: let's think of a drag name. No gay people are
Speaker 2: allowed to weigh in, they will come up with, specifically Brianna,
Speaker 2: like that would be the first name, Brianna chicken Fry.
Speaker 2: And there is something actually so beautiful about that, Like
Speaker 2: it's almost like you know, when you watch something so
Speaker 2: like aggressively kind of browie like the Hangover movies or something,
Speaker 2: you have to really respect how amazing of a document
Speaker 2: it is, like it is so beautiful that we live
Speaker 2: in a world with Brianna chicken fry. Yeah, I could
Speaker 2: have never thought of that.
Speaker 3: And it's balanced. You know, you need Brionna chicken fry
Speaker 3: so you can get you know, a Tricia paid us
Speaker 3: like a balance.
Speaker 1: Well, what is the chicken fry controversies?
Speaker 3: So, I don't know. I mean it goes deep. I mean,
Speaker 3: first of all, you're a stool. You know, your boss
Speaker 3: is Dave Portnoy. He's gonna kind of puppeteer the way
Speaker 3: he does. And so Brianna chicken Fry. The initial main
Speaker 3: controversy was she got into a relationship with this country boy,
Speaker 3: Zach Bryan, and Zach Bryan was in a relationship, so
Speaker 3: their relationship started off with this like what's the timeline
Speaker 3: did they get together before?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is there any cheating whatever? So the relationship was already
Speaker 3: kind of doomed from the beginning, and then throughout the
Speaker 3: course of the relationship, Brian is like becoming a roadie
Speaker 3: for her man. She is going on tour, she is,
Speaker 3: you know, supportive at all the venues. It's never a
Speaker 3: good sign when she's like making TikTok videos being like
Speaker 3: you want to come to the show, like you're so sweet,
Speaker 3: it's like, don't be promoted, like you're not the promoter. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then she kind of started dressing and acting like
Speaker 3: his ex girlfriend. Yeah. So there were kind of some
Speaker 3: like you know videos side by side being like she's
Speaker 3: wearing the same hat that the ex girlfriend would always wear.
Speaker 2: Oh, and that was perceived as shade.
Speaker 3: No, it was like it was like it was like
Speaker 3: she's trying to she's trying to like be the ex
Speaker 3: like something. Maybe maybe it's like it's like girlfriend, sorrya
Speaker 3: sent sorry, talk about the brown and chicken fry.
Speaker 2: Of of her time. It's like how she is Kim Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean the difference, of course is that she's not
Speaker 2: really in control, but go on.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So then the relationship comes to a screeching halt,
Speaker 3: and once again Zach Brian has maybe moved on during
Speaker 3: the relationship, but also it comes out that he is
Speaker 3: potentially kind of abusive a little bit, and not I
Speaker 3: don't think physically, but I think emotionally and all the
Speaker 3: other non physical thing ways that you can be abusive psychologically.
Speaker 3: And so everyone's kind of back on team Brianna because
Speaker 3: for a while everyone was like she's doing too much,
Speaker 3: she's you know, losing herself and then you know, she
Speaker 3: comes out, she says these things about Zach. One of
Speaker 3: her best friends who she does her podcast with, Grace O'Malley,
Speaker 3: is defending her. She's like, you know, helping her out,
Speaker 3: being a good friend. So everyone's in Brionna's Everyone's like
Speaker 3: team Brianna at this point because they're like, she went
Speaker 3: through a lot, we don't know what it was like,
Speaker 3: all past is forgiven. But then Brianna turns her back
Speaker 3: on her best friend Grace, and so now everyone's like,
Speaker 3: F Brianna. We're team Grace and F Zach, Bryan and Brianna.
Speaker 3: Because Brianna, the stuff that she was saying about Zach,
Speaker 3: all the bad stuff she was saying about Zach, she
Speaker 3: was doing the exact same thing to her best friend Greg.
Speaker 2: She was gaslighting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's like, I brought Grace out to New York
Speaker 3: to do this podcast with me, and she's not thankful,
Speaker 3: and it's like, that's exactly what you were saying about Zach.
Speaker 2: There's something so beautiful about the crowd sort of at
Speaker 2: the end of the day finding the truth. It's like,
Speaker 2: first they didn't like him, then they didn't like her.
Speaker 2: Then they had the swim where they were like, oh right,
Speaker 2: they both suck.
Speaker 1: It's a nice narrative, it's.
Speaker 2: An end, and in fact we support the woman, the
Speaker 2: supporting actress in the scenario, which is Grace O'Malley.
Speaker 3: Yes, everyone is lifting her up.
Speaker 2: Yes we are, and I want to join them in
Speaker 2: lifting up Grace O'Malley.
Speaker 1: You know, George, nothing's ever over, and who knows what
Speaker 1: manipulative things has come out as having done.
Speaker 2: As a wise woman doesn't mean it's really over and
Speaker 2: it's never okay. So I have many thoughts about this.
Speaker 2: To me, something that is very straight about almost like
Speaker 2: either YouTuber or creator drama is that I I think,
Speaker 2: in my experience the drama stems from very like almost
Speaker 2: conservative heteronormative values. It's always about like it's about cheating,
Speaker 2: it's about marriage, it's about like this very sort of
Speaker 2: antiquated idea of like properness, like was this a proper
Speaker 2: thing to do? You know what I mean? Like it's
Speaker 2: never that someone you know, what's like a gay scandal,
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's like.
Speaker 1: Okay, scandal is like someone's tumbler from twenty years ago
Speaker 1: came out and they were like crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, sure, it's because Okay, of course the exception
Speaker 2: to all of this.
Speaker 1: That we have is that someone stole someone's dancers.
Speaker 2: Yes exactly, which that has nothing to do with Okay,
Speaker 2: So here's what it is. I actually think loyalty related things.
Speaker 2: I think on the one side you have faith, like
Speaker 2: being faithful, monogamy, gender dynamics probably, and on the other
Speaker 2: side you have non gendered loyalty. Non gender loyalty is gay,
Speaker 2: and then like marriage and cheating and stuff is straight. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I which is why I think. Of course, the
Speaker 2: big exception everything we're saying is the James Charles and
Speaker 2: Tati drama, because that was all about loyalty between a
Speaker 2: straight woman and a gay man.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: But that sort of is like the exception that proves
Speaker 2: a rule. It's like, we had one big gay scandal
Speaker 2: and they actually crushed it so hard that we never
Speaker 2: need to have another one again. And since then, people
Speaker 2: like Briann and Chicken Fry have been trying to capture
Speaker 2: that magic well.
Speaker 3: And I feel like maybe with like Tati and James,
Speaker 3: there's like so many layers to it, with Tati being
Speaker 3: an older woman, James being a young young man at
Speaker 3: the time, and then like James's own controversies, whereas I
Speaker 3: feel like with a Brionna Chicken Fry, everything's just very
Speaker 3: much like this in this like it's all very chronological. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and like yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, there's something about it too that feels straight where
Speaker 1: it's about that's like a small town drama, like it's
Speaker 1: something yeah you like looking in on, like oh that
Speaker 1: that family actually they actually have trouble and they well
Speaker 1: they're getting divorced actually, and whisper whisper, And there's something
Speaker 1: where it's like, we don't have towns anymore, there's no
Speaker 1: community anymore, so we have to find our small town
Speaker 1: drama in the weird YouTube celebrity.
Speaker 2: Our small villages are like YouTube communities that are like
Speaker 2: the beauty community, the barstool sports community, and then we
Speaker 2: all get to be bell in Beauty and the Beast,
Speaker 2: like prancing around with our book.
Speaker 3: I wonder too if it's like because people like Brown
Speaker 3: and Chicken Fry, who are like very public facing, like
Speaker 3: influencer and not celebrities, we knows we're seeing so much
Speaker 3: of them and we are invited to be a part
Speaker 3: of their lives, and so we analyze it. We're analyzing
Speaker 3: it so much deeper because it's almost like a close
Speaker 3: friend or family member, whereas like someone like you know,
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift and Katy Perry's dancers, we don't know very
Speaker 3: much about them personally, so we're like, and that's the
Speaker 3: dramas the dancers. Yeah, but if Katy Perry were to
Speaker 3: post all the time, we'd have so much more to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's There are sort of like three types
Speaker 2: of dramas one can follow in this day and age.
Speaker 2: H One is traditional celebrity news it's like Taylor Swift whatever.
Speaker 2: One is reality show where it's like one step below,
Speaker 2: where yes they're not real celebrities, but they are on television.
Speaker 2: They're like fully in traditional media. And then the third
Speaker 2: is this what we're talking about here, which is like
Speaker 2: creator drama.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think you would think creators all will
Speaker 1: be gay. I know.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm struggling with.
Speaker 1: It's like, but I think we underestimate how popular this
Speaker 1: stuff is in straight culture.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's a big part of it, which is
Speaker 1: something that we are struggling with in general. Like, I
Speaker 1: genuinely like someone like Joe Rogan, who is like the
Speaker 1: biggest podcaster ever. Like I'm like, I don't know a
Speaker 1: single person who listens to him, and that is like bizarre.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like how Stranger Things is the biggest television
Speaker 2: show ever and I don't know anyone who watches it,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I really want to believe my own worldview,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't reflect what the world actually is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that. I think gay people. I think gay
Speaker 2: people clip this regardless of who is numbers wise most popular.
Speaker 2: I think gay people are drawn to glamour, like they
Speaker 2: want the A list celebrity they want, they want the
Speaker 2: pop star, they want like the diva, whereas I think
Speaker 2: straight people are attracted to the more like everyday village
Speaker 2: type thing. Wow, don't you think like that's really interesting? Actually,
Speaker 2: Like I think I think it is gayer to care
Speaker 2: more about people that are less reachable, people that are
Speaker 2: more glamorous and distant, because you want the mythology and
Speaker 2: you want the like the sort of like magic of it.
Speaker 2: And when you when I see some random creator, I
Speaker 2: actually actually sort of makes me sad. I'm like, ugh,
Speaker 2: they're like trying so hard to be famous unlike Lady Gaga,
Speaker 2: who was born famous. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and I feel like I don't know if
Speaker 3: this has crossed over into any sort of gay TikTok culture,
Speaker 3: but like the rise of tradwives, it's like, I feel
Speaker 3: like straight culture is like lifting something up and then
Speaker 3: tearing it down because it's like all of us we
Speaker 3: are watching these tradwives being like, oh my god, I
Speaker 3: love she makes pies from scratch and has eggs and
Speaker 3: chickens and whatever. But then it's like, but she, but
Speaker 3: her husband is she she actually is doing this, and
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, she's showing us what she's doing. It's
Speaker 3: like we fall very easily for things where it's like
Speaker 3: we'll see a trodwife and be like, oh, this is
Speaker 3: a performance, whereas gay people see Beyonce and they're like
Speaker 3: that's a performance. We see a trodwife and we're like,
Speaker 3: she's putting on a show, and then we realized, no.
Speaker 2: Okay, she's just genius, because I think you're also okay.
Speaker 2: Another great difference between gay straight is like the gay
Speaker 2: weight to view something is as a performance and the
Speaker 2: straight way to view it is literal, so you are
Speaker 2: more likely to get invested in Brianna Chicken Fry's literal
Speaker 2: day to day life, whereas a gay person sees that
Speaker 2: and is like, oh, she's being sort of like cheeky
Speaker 2: and funny because she's like getting on a podcast and
Speaker 2: talking about her life in this like meta way or whatever.
Speaker 3: Waiting that actually makes so much sense in terms of
Speaker 3: like when Lady Gaga was first like coming up and like,
Speaker 3: you know, my parents are just like straight people in
Speaker 3: general are like why is she wearing meat? Like like, oh,
Speaker 3: does she have a penis or whatever it is? She's
Speaker 3: satan Like she's bleeding out of her stomach at the VMA.
Speaker 3: So it's like, yeah, it's like everything is very well as.
Speaker 2: Gay people are like, first of all, pause up.
Speaker 3: Monstrous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's like gay people are. When she's showing
Speaker 2: up wearing a meat dress made of literal meat, nob
Speaker 2: a person is like what kind of meat is that?
Speaker 2: And where did you get it?
Speaker 1: There's something So I was, you know, listening to our
Speaker 1: dear friend Sophie Bottle on Mark Marin and she talked
Speaker 1: about tall poppy syndrome, which I had never heard of
Speaker 1: me neither. I love so tall poppy syndrome. She said,
Speaker 1: it's like a Canadian thing where like if you aren't
Speaker 1: you should they discourage you from being a tall poppy.
Speaker 1: They want you to be the same height as all
Speaker 1: the other poppies. So if you're a tall poppy, they'll
Speaker 1: cut you. And so she's like, I went to America
Speaker 1: because I wanted to be a tall poppy and like
Speaker 1: in Canadian, in Canada, they would cut you down. And
Speaker 1: so like there's something here where straight people still have
Speaker 1: like tall poppy syndrome, like they like their celebs to
Speaker 1: match them, like that's a normal person, whereas like when
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga wants to be crazy, gay people are like
Speaker 1: that's good. Finally that tall poppy.
Speaker 2: I mean, all of this relates back to like the
Speaker 2: concept of relatability. For example, like the the idea the
Speaker 2: appeal of a quote unquote girl next door is a
Speaker 2: very straight thing. It's like very straight to be like
Speaker 2: I'm turning on my TV and what I want is
Speaker 2: someone that looks like the girl next door to me,
Speaker 2: or is the caper is turning on the TV and
Speaker 2: is like, if she doesn't have literally five breasts and
Speaker 2: she's breastfeeding a guinea pig on each one, I'm turning
Speaker 2: this off, and I.
Speaker 3: Wonder if this, like, I mean, maybe this goes, but okay,
Speaker 3: I'm putting on my smart hat or maybe my.
Speaker 2: Stupid hat when you're getting dressed.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I feel the same in both, But I
Speaker 3: think I wonder if because societally, it's safer as a gay, queer,
Speaker 3: whatever person to blend in, stay safe, don't break the mold,
Speaker 3: don't be a tall poppy, just fit in, level out.
Speaker 3: So then when you see someone like like Lady Gaga,
Speaker 3: you're like, she represents all of us. It's safe for
Speaker 3: her to be big and bold, and I get to
Speaker 3: stay here and support that, whereas like a straight person,
Speaker 3: it's like everyone can be the tallest spotpy ever, like
Speaker 3: who cares whatever, Like you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: it's not dangerous for me to wear a meat dress.
Speaker 2: I see, yes, So it's not empowering. When you see
Speaker 2: someone in a meat dress, you're you're not empowered by
Speaker 2: it because you're like, yeah, I could do that any day.
Speaker 1: Girl. Me just a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: All It's like.
Speaker 3: There's already enough judgments from society about just existing as
Speaker 3: a gay person, so when you see someone existing in
Speaker 3: this crazy loud big way like defiant. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 3: better than a Brionn a Chicken Fry who's just wearing like,
Speaker 3: you know, dunem short shorts and going to country concerts.
Speaker 2: Right because Brianna Chicken Fry could potentially bully you.
Speaker 1: She is she could.
Speaker 2: You never know where you stand with her, whereas someone
Speaker 2: in a meat dress. You're like, well, you're even weirder
Speaker 2: than I am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like curious. I'm because the world is so vast.
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm like, there is there are gay people
Speaker 1: that are like I listened to Brianna Chicken Fry every
Speaker 1: single week, and I would love to know what those
Speaker 1: people are like.
Speaker 3: See, but that's what I was Any topic I thought
Speaker 3: of bringing in, I'm like, okay, but definitely there's like
Speaker 3: a gay audience for this. But with brown and chicken Fry,
Speaker 3: I'm like.
Speaker 1: Where No, I mean I think you literally count them
Speaker 1: on one hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean they're all going to write in
Speaker 2: now they.
Speaker 1: Want I want this clip. I want you to comment
Speaker 1: read a book.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I would love a round table of
Speaker 2: gay barstool listeners, like gay guys specifically.
Speaker 3: Well, so there is a podcast on barstool with two
Speaker 3: gay men as the host.
Speaker 2: So that's why.
Speaker 3: But but even still, because it's at barstool, Well, I'm like,
Speaker 3: they're just filling a quota. It doesn't feel like they
Speaker 3: genuinely wanted that at barstool. But they're like, oh, these
Speaker 3: are the most inoffensive gay men. I've done their podcast.
Speaker 3: They're great, But I'm like, do they feel welcomed in
Speaker 3: this environment? I'm glad that they have it, but do
Speaker 3: they like being there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like when that was announced, was there like shit
Speaker 1: talking comments?
Speaker 3: I wonder.
Speaker 1: If I know anything stupid smart? How looks so similar?
Speaker 2: Wow? What if we got acquired by barstool?
Speaker 1: That would be so iconic?
Speaker 2: That would be iconic. Okay, I'm trying to think of
Speaker 2: other Well.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna rattle offs of like YouTube ish
Speaker 3: like not famous but famous straight things. Okay, So we
Speaker 3: have brown and chicken fry, obviously, we have Barstool as
Speaker 3: an umbrella. We have I to Alex.
Speaker 2: Cooper of course, call your daddy.
Speaker 1: Oh everyone's yelling at me.
Speaker 2: I'm actually i have to say, I'm still shocked about
Speaker 2: your Nobody wants this ignorance. And now now God is
Speaker 2: telling me to.
Speaker 1: Read a book.
Speaker 2: That I'm like, you don't support female podcasts.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what's your favorite Call Your Daddy episode?
Speaker 3: The one with Kamala Woke Mind?
Speaker 2: Virus Virus.
Speaker 3: Also The Paul Brothers, Yes, Paul, Yeah, the streamer Sinnat.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, The Paul Brothers is a big one. And
Speaker 2: actually I feel there was a moment so I watched
Speaker 2: the Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight. Yeah, And there was
Speaker 2: a moment when I was watching that where I was
Speaker 2: like I almost like left my body. Trump had just
Speaker 2: got elected like a week earlier, and I almost left
Speaker 2: my body and was like, this is a actual shift
Speaker 2: in culture, Like there is something about the fact that
Speaker 2: suddenly literally everyone is on Netflix watching this like extremely
Speaker 2: depressing and dark event that was started because a like
Speaker 2: YouTuber turned whatever. Boxer is like challenging someone who was
Speaker 2: like a part of pop culture forty years ago and
Speaker 2: now is like sort of washed up and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And then Jake Paul One in his speech was like
Speaker 2: America's back, y'all. I can feel it. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: felt such a It's like every thought left my mind
Speaker 2: and I was like, we have to reinvent the playbook
Speaker 2: because what we're doing is not working.
Speaker 1: Here, folks. Damn, that's a bummer.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Like, and I almost think,
Speaker 2: actually I almost think that that fight was like the
Speaker 2: epitheosis of YouTuber drama. It's like we took it to
Speaker 2: the farthest level we could take it to. Was a
Speaker 2: Netflix streamed boxing match between Mike Tyson and Jake Paul.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's almost like that's like
Speaker 2: the oscars of this world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of oscars, I think Hawktuition have her own movie.
Speaker 2: Talk. Well, she's actually not doing her podcast anymore because
Speaker 2: there was so much.
Speaker 3: Big quin scincin. I love it, and it's not her fault.
Speaker 3: She's working with the goddamn Paul brothers. Talk to innocent, innocent,
Speaker 3: and you know what, I think she's just around the
Speaker 3: wrong people. I think she's got a good, big heart.
Speaker 1: Well, I think she's got a great big heart.
Speaker 2: You guys are insane.
Speaker 3: She loves animals. She's from a small little town.
Speaker 1: Actually this has been forced upon her, as if you know,
Speaker 1: you know, say say straight.
Speaker 3: Pature got to her because she made a very funny, silly,
Speaker 3: little blow job joke and guys grow The Rise of
Speaker 3: Hawktua is a straight male event. Watching that as a woman,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh ha ha, like funny guys are like, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, Yeah, this is what you're saying. Is another
Speaker 2: example of like performance versus like interpreting something as a
Speaker 2: performance versus interpreting it as literal reality. It's like Hawktua,
Speaker 2: if things were right in the world, we would all
Speaker 2: just be like, you go, girl, Like what a funny
Speaker 2: thing to say, and like, you know, okay, let's make
Speaker 2: some merch and let's get you you know, there's a
Speaker 2: hawk to a Halloween cost and bab blind and then
Speaker 2: we can all move on. But then the literal way
Speaker 2: is then people debating like what that looks, like how
Speaker 2: do you actually spit on a spit on it? And
Speaker 2: like does that mean that she's like slutty? And like
Speaker 2: what is her? How do you feel about like hawk
Speaker 2: to It's it's like, immediately take any fun out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I knew it was over when both of my brother
Speaker 3: in law's had referenced it and I was like, this
Speaker 3: shouldn't have gotten to you. Yeah, I do. I also
Speaker 3: think that Street interviews, aside from Billy Eichner and like
Speaker 3: that guy Chris Clement. I think in general, just people
Speaker 3: being like gay sun her thought daughter, that's very strict.
Speaker 1: No, it's so I'm actually frustrated with it because like
Speaker 1: Billy Eikner did it so well and it was like
Speaker 1: comedic and good, and then like now it's like literally
Speaker 1: everyone is doing it and no one is trying to
Speaker 1: do anything comedic with it at all. They're just like
Speaker 1: I just want to be on a camera holding a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 3: Because Billy is the funny person in the Man on
Speaker 3: the Street, whereas these people like the Hawk Toua, she
Speaker 3: was the funny person, not the guy. I said, no
Speaker 3: one knows the person who put the microphone in her face,
Speaker 3: because there there's no brain behind that. It's the people talking.
Speaker 3: Everyone's just relying on other people for their content.
Speaker 1: But did you guys see the clip where she was
Speaker 1: like talking to people.
Speaker 4: I gotta go, I love that so much, so funny,
Speaker 4: and then they didn't hear from her for weeks.
Speaker 3: That's what you got to say in the comments when
Speaker 3: people like read a book like.
Speaker 1: In the morning, Okay, so funny.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like this interview thing. It's almost like on
Speaker 2: one end of the spectrum we have girls gone wild
Speaker 2: literally predatory men asking drunk women to take their clothes off,
Speaker 2: and then on the other side of it, we have
Speaker 2: like Jimmy what's his name, Oh my god, Martin Schwartz
Speaker 2: k oh yeah, yeah, Jimmy Click, which is like he's
Speaker 2: he's the butt of the joke and you got it,
Speaker 2: like Jimminy Glick. Gay girls gone wild straight, Yeah, the
Speaker 2: interviewer has to There has to be talent in the interviewer,
Speaker 2: and it has to be rooted in performance rather than
Speaker 2: going around making fun of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I fully agree. I think we've solved it pretty much.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Any final thoughts on YouTuber dramas and or sorry?
Speaker 2: Is it no?
Speaker 1: No, We're good, Okay. I guess like I'm just like
Speaker 1: the problem that I'm struggling with is that it won't
Speaker 1: It's only going to get bigger. No, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: this like type of culture is so deeply popular among
Speaker 1: people I've never met in my life and will keep
Speaker 1: getting more and more popular, and I'm like bummed out
Speaker 1: by it.
Speaker 3: Actually, I think what needs to happen the shift is
Speaker 3: that gay people need to make more boring content. With
Speaker 3: the way that straight people have dominated the boring content.
Speaker 1: Market so much thought into overwriting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't need much thought. Turn it down.
Speaker 2: I want to say, all, I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people are already heeding her advice. That's not what I'm
Speaker 2: seeing on some of my suggested content out there.
Speaker 3: Or have just like like have more boring drama that
Speaker 3: people can get upset over, like relationship drama. Mess it
Speaker 3: like mess see stuff.
Speaker 1: When when gay people eradicated the concept of cheating, that's
Speaker 1: when things got That's.
Speaker 2: When things got difficult.
Speaker 1: Because that's such an easy generator of drama. And it's like,
Speaker 1: first of all, gonna happen no matter what. So it's
Speaker 1: like if we just kept that as like the big
Speaker 1: dramatic event, God, we'd be fine.
Speaker 3: Because Jeffrey Star, I feel like, does a good job
Speaker 3: of being controversial in mainstream right.
Speaker 2: But that's because Jeffrey he literally will like murder.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Well he also is like like like I feel like
Speaker 2: the vibe with him is like he could murder at
Speaker 2: any moment.
Speaker 1: Successful there's also always a threat with him that he'll
Speaker 1: like release the names of like the people.
Speaker 3: That's how people will keep watching. We need more threats
Speaker 3: in our content, like some sort of mystery that we're
Speaker 3: trying to crack.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know what the equivalent of cheating is
Speaker 2: with gay creators is like closetedness. It's like it's like
Speaker 2: so and so like this big male celebrity, like.
Speaker 1: Is true true? Who?
Speaker 2: I have to say, like I get such a pit
Speaker 2: nic stomach when I think of these like creator dramas
Speaker 2: just because it really is, like not to sound like
Speaker 2: elitist or something, but it really does feel like the
Speaker 2: death knell of all culture. Like it really is like
Speaker 2: you're just sort of like how much lower can it get?
Speaker 2: Like literally, how much lower can entertainment get than Brianna
Speaker 2: Chicken fry Well and even I guess it could be
Speaker 2: like literally how much like what else? How can you
Speaker 2: like take away any more?
Speaker 1: Like production? Yeah, Like like we used to like read stories,
Speaker 1: we used to watch plays, and then it was like okay,
Speaker 1: now we're watching TV. Okay, now we're watching reality TV. Okay,
Speaker 1: now we're watching It's like how.
Speaker 2: Like we're literally just gonna start staring at people on
Speaker 2: the street and like yelling at exactly. Everyone is just
Speaker 2: gonna have like a police camera on their chest and
Speaker 2: then you're gonna be like looll keep passed by that
Speaker 2: woman and her hair sucks, and.
Speaker 1: Then it'll be like, actually when in her hair sucks,
Speaker 1: that was radical.
Speaker 2: And then there's gonna be merched that's like my hair
Speaker 2: sucks too. And then she's gonna have a podcast, and
Speaker 2: then she's gonna have her own cryptocurrency and then a
Speaker 2: signature catchphrase, and then she's gonna be president, and that's
Speaker 2: gonna be our first woman president.
Speaker 3: I would love that Majo for president, do you guys? Okay,
Speaker 3: she has been a YouTuber for a very long time.
Speaker 3: She spam Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, we don't have that.
Speaker 2: I do want to bring this up because something that
Speaker 2: we just like fully haven't mentioned is a big part
Speaker 2: of this is also quote unquote scammer scandals like TanaCon
Speaker 2: is a great example of this. It's like she charged
Speaker 2: her fans this much money, then they showed up and
Speaker 2: the convention was a scam or like Carolina is a classic,
Speaker 2: like Creator drama that has to do with is more queer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I think it's like scamming, all right, Scamming and
Speaker 2: loyalty are queer, and then like heating and what else,
Speaker 2: what's the marriage and marriage?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like it's like like presenting a different version hypocrisy.
Speaker 2: Yeah totally because I okay, So hypocrisy and cheating, which
Speaker 2: I guess are the same things like morals. Morals, Yeah, morals,
Speaker 2: hypocrisy and cheating are straight, and loyalty and scamming are
Speaker 2: queer when it comes to scandals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm glad we got there.
Speaker 1: Wow, we'll should we do our final segment? Okay. Our
Speaker 1: final segment is called shout Outs, And in the segment
Speaker 1: we pay homage. Is the Grand Street tradition of the
Speaker 1: radio shout out. Shout out to anything that we are enjoying, people, places, things, ideas,
Speaker 1: whatever you want in the whole wide world, and we
Speaker 1: think of it on the spot, and we'll go first.
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to do you have one?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, I do. Okay, what's up, freaks and perverts
Speaker 1: around the globe. I want to give a huge shout
Speaker 1: out to cloudy days in Los Angeles. As we all know,
Speaker 1: I have had my issues with the city. But when,
Speaker 1: except when we take those issues away, then I have
Speaker 1: no issues with it. But when I'm loving it, the
Speaker 1: most recently is on those cloudy days, And I say
Speaker 1: Finally I can be moody. I when I was living
Speaker 1: in New York, of course, anytime it was cloudy, I
Speaker 1: was on I needed a check in. I was on
Speaker 1: a watch list. The clouds could break me. But here
Speaker 1: I'm actually a little bit sick of sun. And when
Speaker 1: it is cloudy, I say, finally I can listen to slow,
Speaker 1: sad music. Finally there's not pressure to go outside and
Speaker 1: I don't know, do a CrossFit class every day. Here
Speaker 1: everyone's saying, why aren't you having the most fun of
Speaker 1: your entire life? And I say, because that's unsustainable. Well,
Speaker 1: on a cloudy day, I can be just mean and
Speaker 1: that is enough. Xoxo Sam.
Speaker 2: What's up? Breaks the losers? I want to give a
Speaker 2: shout out to the book Amusing Ourselves to Death by
Speaker 2: Neil Postman Publishing. I want to say nineteen eighty four. Now, yeah,
Speaker 2: this very scary year, and it's only gotten scarier since then, folks.
Speaker 2: So this is a book that has been recommended to
Speaker 2: me many times, and it's about how television is bad.
Speaker 2: It's about how television is like ruining a literas of
Speaker 2: like a society that was based on text and reading,
Speaker 2: and it's making everyone stupider, and there is something so
Speaker 2: wonderfully nostalgic about remembering when that was the issue everyone
Speaker 2: cared about, and now everyone is quite literally illiterate and
Speaker 2: can only speak in sort of brunting noises. And so
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to remember just like the
Speaker 2: real sense of hope that we had in the Reagan eighties,
Speaker 2: I really highly suggest picking up Amusing Ourselves to Death.
Speaker 2: It really still holds up, and a lot of the
Speaker 2: arguments makes about television could also make about social media.
Speaker 2: The book literally starts out with him being very dramatically
Speaker 2: being like, as I'm writing this, a Hollywood actor is
Speaker 2: sitting in the White House, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: still true. So it's very short. It's a truly less
Speaker 2: than two hundred pages. I'm sure there's an audiobook of it,
Speaker 2: hopefully it's read by Brown a chicken for I for Lucky,
Speaker 2: And so I got to say, really is hitting the spot.
Speaker 2: And if you want to feel smart without honestly putting
Speaker 2: out with there for them reading something, I highly recommend
Speaker 2: that's huge.
Speaker 1: Sometimes those types of books bump me out because they're
Speaker 1: so because nothing has changed and actually worse. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I'm also like it's fun to be like, how quaint
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, but he was right.
Speaker 2: No, he was fully right. It's it's funny to think
Speaker 2: back to there's always some moral panic, and you like
Speaker 2: want to reassure yourself by being like, well, there's always
Speaker 2: been moral panics. There was one about television, there was
Speaker 2: one about phones, and then it's like right, and they
Speaker 2: were all right and things kept getting worse, So what now?
Speaker 1: So what now?
Speaker 2: Well, Ali, whenever you're.
Speaker 3: Ready, do I look into cam.
Speaker 2: Oh you can?
Speaker 1: Can you feel comfortable looking?
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know what to do in there.
Speaker 2: No, that's fair.
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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, no.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Ali, this has been a real delight. Thanks so
Speaker 1: much for doing the podcast, for having me.
Speaker 2: And please tell people we're trying to actually let people
Speaker 2: promote themselves. Please tell people what you are up to
Speaker 2: where they can find you where they can see you,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 3: You can go to Ali mukofsky dot com. I have
Speaker 3: some tour dates coming up. You can see me do
Speaker 3: a comedy on the road, maybe in a city near you.
Speaker 3: You can go to my YouTube to check out Ali's
Speaker 3: interview show. You can get in on the ground floor
Speaker 3: of this. You can get it on the ground floor.
Speaker 3: I only have two episodes out at this moment. I'm
Speaker 3: starting to record more episodes. One of my guests is
Speaker 3: Sam Vincente and then my other guests just to balance
Speaker 3: very straight Dylan Francis. So there's one episode for everyone
Speaker 3: at least right now. More to come.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, great, and you've got to introduce us to
Speaker 2: Saint Vincent I would love to.
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