WEBVTT - "YouTube Celebrities & Controversies" w/ Ali Macofsky

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everybody, it's say I'm here with a quick little announcement,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is that we are doing Stridia Lab live

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<v Speaker 1>podcast starts now.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi George, Oh my god, I'm loving it here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well not quite, it is. Okay. First of all, I

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<v Speaker 2>would I'm I'm vowing not to say anything negative about

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles for a full calendar year because because of

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<v Speaker 2>because yes, because of everything Angelina's have been through. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I have so much effects. It's very kind of thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I have so much affection for the city of Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles despite all my negative associations with it. Okay, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>that said, What's the plan.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to what you Aubredy have said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>which is you know you have all these issues with

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, and yet if you push tho aside, you

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<v Speaker 1>love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's such an amazing way to view the world,

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<v Speaker 1>because pretty much anyone I have issue with, if you

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<v Speaker 1>take away all the issues I share them, I love

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<v Speaker 1>them to death. I have no problems with them at all,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as the problems are taken away.

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<v Speaker 2>Where's my thing with Los Angeles? Is? I actually like,

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<v Speaker 2>I genuinely love reading like cultural histories of Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>and I like in the I think it's like one

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<v Speaker 2>of those things that I actually love in theory and

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<v Speaker 2>struggle with in practice. I genuinely like I am the

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<v Speaker 2>King of Didion, Eve bad Bets. Give me like Lana

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<v Speaker 2>like sure music about Los Ange's, films about Los Angers

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<v Speaker 2>like I am, I will eat it up. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I arrive and suddenly I'm like, wait, why am I

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<v Speaker 2>meeting like a music executive who is wearing like weird

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<v Speaker 2>designer birkenstocks And suddenly we're out to lunch and I

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<v Speaker 2>have to impress him.

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<v Speaker 1>No. I think all those media sort of aggrandizings of

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<v Speaker 1>L A R. L. I no disrespect everything disrespected Jodon

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<v Speaker 1>John Didion. She was making stuff up.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start knowing. Well, she was quite literally telling herself

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<v Speaker 2>stories to live.

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<v Speaker 1>But she was fully lying. She was living in malle

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<v Speaker 1>She was not chilling in East Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 2>She was something no one talks about. And she was

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<v Speaker 2>fully in Malibu, just.

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<v Speaker 1>Hanging out and being like, God, I love La. She

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<v Speaker 1>was like, no, you love Malibu.

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<v Speaker 2>Boki Cigrettes, not eating for five days out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the drinking fully starting at noon and she's like, God,

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<v Speaker 1>this city is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like and they're like, God, she's so.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, she's so smart. I mean there, I literally have

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<v Speaker 1>not had a meal out in public that wasn't next

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<v Speaker 1>to someone talking about their like aspiring modeling, acting, music

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<v Speaker 1>career in a full calendar year. That can That can

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot to someone. I feared leaving my home

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<v Speaker 1>because you have to find a parking spot wherever you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Everywhere I go, I'm stranded there. There's there's no free fun.

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<v Speaker 1>You are just you are everywhere you go. You are

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<v Speaker 1>stuck and you are scared. And I think all these

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<v Speaker 1>people there needs to be new media about la you.

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<v Speaker 1>I need someone to romanticize, you know, the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you have to go home because you couldn't find parking.

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<v Speaker 1>I need someone to romanticize, like you actually ubered to

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<v Speaker 1>get drinks with a friend where they drove, so you

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<v Speaker 1>wasted your uber money because you were actually planning on

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<v Speaker 1>getting four drinks where they were planning on getting one

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<v Speaker 1>and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>What's that?

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<v Speaker 2>You know that show with Adam Brody.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just supposed to know every show.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Oh my god, this is Adam Brody, Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>why he's having a resurgence. Two podcasting sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I haven't heard of this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's I'm going to just keep describing it. This is

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<v Speaker 2>not this is not good footage.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep going well anyway about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying it's about two sisters that have a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast in the year twenty twenty four. So it's maybe

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what you're what the doctor ordered for you. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>it romanticizes Los Angeles in a way where you're actually

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, maybe none of these people deserve to

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<v Speaker 2>have careers or jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just that I want to people need to

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<v Speaker 1>say whether or not we're ubering or driving.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we bring in our guest away in I think.

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<v Speaker 1>We should, And because it's also starting to sound so

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<v Speaker 1>stereotypical podcasting that I think we need a new energy

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<v Speaker 1>in here.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, and we're we've never been stereotypical in our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything we do is unique, and everything we do is

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<v Speaker 2>unique and has never been done before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So with that being said, please on the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>Alan Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>The one really is you can't say anything on original? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>are you from California?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm from Long Beach. Yeah. Oh yeah, So I feel

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<v Speaker 3>slightly disrespectful.

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<v Speaker 2>About romanticizing California and romanticizing Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, Yeah, Lala Land did a pretty good job.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say I would agree. You know, they had

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<v Speaker 3>a full dance break musical number in the Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 3>traffic true?

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<v Speaker 2>True? Ready do we claim lo lo Land? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember at the time when it was like Lala Land,

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<v Speaker 2>what you might be a Trump supporter if you like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember this, and some people were like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you like Lola Land, trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Supporter, My gosh, I don't remember that discourse of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an amazing time.

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<v Speaker 3>I have rewatched Lala Land somewhat recently and it's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's actually good.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like I have a boyfriend. Sorry, I just need

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<v Speaker 3>to certify this great this before discussing. But I like,

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<v Speaker 3>I want him to cry. I think that's every woman's

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<v Speaker 3>goal in a heterosexual relationship. Yes, I need to see

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<v Speaker 3>him cry. I want to know that there's emotions and depth.

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<v Speaker 3>And so when we first got together, I had him

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<v Speaker 3>watch Marley and Me because I'm like, that's like, that's sort.

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<v Speaker 2>Of basically emotional.

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<v Speaker 3>Not a good movie, but like you will cry. And

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<v Speaker 3>then you know, it had been some time since that.

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<v Speaker 3>So we put on Lalla Land and he did get

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<v Speaker 3>choked up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I'm like, Okay, Lala Land is a great

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<v Speaker 3>movie for many reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that is such a big part of

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<v Speaker 2>straight relationships. Is women once a month being like, let's

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<v Speaker 2>check a few his feelings again. Yeah, totally, because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>starting to get suspicious that he might not anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's almost like a scab like they over time,

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<v Speaker 1>they just do scab up and you have to like

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<v Speaker 1>break it off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to like remind them. Yeah, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to show them some pain in the world and be

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<v Speaker 2>like how does this make you feel?

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<v Speaker 3>This is a test that because I feel like guys

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<v Speaker 3>are always like oh when women, you know, when you're

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<v Speaker 3>in a relationship, and women are are like, it's fine,

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<v Speaker 3>we know it's not fun. You just got to tell us.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I'll be like how is your day and

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<v Speaker 3>they're like good. So I'm like you don't give anything either.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's come on, let's do a little deeper.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the comfort with like you know, it's this is

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<v Speaker 2>a cliche, but like guys will have friends that they

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<v Speaker 2>know nothing about and they are lifelong friends, or like

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<v Speaker 2>I would die for him, like I'm giving a speech

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<v Speaker 2>at his wedding, do not know a single thing about him?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm starting to get into this territory with some people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>where now it's like like going out friends. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I have people that I know simply from like

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<v Speaker 1>we go to the same bar on Friday, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>like see them on Friday and it's like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'll live in forget the name. If it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a month, yeah, I'll be like oh and hi, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like at what point do we I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I want to take to the next level and

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<v Speaker 1>at what point should I.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's fine. I talked to my therapist about this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's like you can have little friend circles. So there's

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<v Speaker 3>like the really close circle, and then there's like the

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<v Speaker 3>acquaintin circle, and then there's maybe bar friend circle. Like

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<v Speaker 3>there's different circles. Not everyone needs to be at the

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<v Speaker 3>same level.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think what you're saying is, yes, not everyone

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be the same level. And then the issue

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<v Speaker 2>with the strake I think is that then, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>their closest friends. Oh that's a good Yeah, She'll be

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<v Speaker 2>like that's my best friend.

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<v Speaker 3>My well, my my boyfriend, one of his closest friends

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<v Speaker 3>from growing up is getting married having a wedding. My

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<v Speaker 3>boyfriend has been asked to be one of the best groomsmen,

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<v Speaker 3>best men, whatever it's called. And my boyfriend's like, so

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<v Speaker 3>he he couldn't be. He's like, I don't want to go.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, that's your one of your closest friends.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think guys just don't have that connection to

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<v Speaker 3>friendships where it's like, oh, this is an important thing.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, and now I have to go to this wedding,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's just an errand like, you know, is it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It an inconvenient wedding especially.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah, it's it's a nation wedding. It's it's

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of an inconvenience. But it's like he's getting married.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta go, you gotta suck it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's funny because the stereotype, it's like, okay, man

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<v Speaker 2>won't see the point of it. But then the stereotype

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<v Speaker 2>of the sexist stereotype of course of a woman is

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<v Speaker 2>like she's excited to go and also do emotional warfare

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<v Speaker 2>at the destination wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I won't be able to make the wedding, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's inconvenient, No, we're not going to go without him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, he's going to go.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going.

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<v Speaker 2>He just doesn't want to, yes, yea, yeah, but you

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<v Speaker 2>can't go.

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<v Speaker 3>But now I can't go, which I was like, i

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<v Speaker 3>was happy. I don't even know this guy very well,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, come on, babe, it's a trip. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>make it, you know a thing. But yeah, yeah, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>guys friendships straight man's friendships are very disconnected.

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<v Speaker 2>There is something it's a very specific experience to be

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<v Speaker 2>a plus one at a wedding where you're hearing all

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<v Speaker 2>these people say such emotional and intimate things and you

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<v Speaker 2>just have to nod along and it means nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>For you, but it kind of means everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Because because you're sort of like watching them, because.

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<v Speaker 3>It is so like loving. It's like I'm watching a

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<v Speaker 3>movie and I'm still invested in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I actually need to go to a wedding where

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<v Speaker 1>I know the people even less. I think that would

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<v Speaker 1>be really helpful because I want to test this theory

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<v Speaker 1>because I've been to weddings where I'm like, yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 1>like seeing you like twice a year over eight years,

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<v Speaker 1>but like we're never really close, but I still like

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<v Speaker 1>know a little too much to lose myself. Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like being friends with an actor and you like

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<v Speaker 1>see their movie and you're like, well, I still know

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<v Speaker 1>it's John, Yeah. Whereas I want to almost see a

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<v Speaker 1>full stranger's wedding and see if I can lose myself

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<v Speaker 1>in it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think for sure, because I think even more so

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<v Speaker 3>than someone you know, because if I if one of

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<v Speaker 3>my friends was getting married, I'd be like she'd be

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<v Speaker 3>saying her vows and they'd be beautiful and I'd be

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<v Speaker 3>like she was talking about him last month. I know

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<v Speaker 3>what the real tea is.

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<v Speaker 1>That is really complicated because and I hate when weddings

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<v Speaker 1>they lean too much into the deprecation and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>and Todd is such a fucking loser and he's lucky

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<v Speaker 1>he got me because I hate but there needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be a balance, and it's really hard to hit that balance.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a comic in New York so if Hiphelton, and

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<v Speaker 2>they have a joke about how the premises that you

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<v Speaker 2>should be able to buy tickets to any wedding, like

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<v Speaker 2>it should just be on Live Nation, and like if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go, you should go, and it can

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<v Speaker 2>be expensive, but like, if you want to you should go.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's one of the most brilliant premises

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever heard, because it's like it really is so true,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I actually it is meant to be an entertaining

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<v Speaker 2>theater piece, and I should be able to go to

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<v Speaker 2>like someone I sort of stalk online's wedding if I

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<v Speaker 2>want to, I don't have to make myself known, like

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<v Speaker 2>I could be very sort of way in the back.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, and obviously the family would get like a

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<v Speaker 1>VIP section maybe exactly, maybe open bar for them.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, you recoup the funds. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>weddings are expended. If you sell tickets, then you can

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<v Speaker 2>even make a profit.

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<v Speaker 1>I meant that's get that social media numbers up, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can the.

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<v Speaker 2>Social media numbers up. We have people we can introduce

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<v Speaker 2>you to for short form video content. They do great,

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<v Speaker 2>great stuff over at iHeart. I just think, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't have to, like, if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be sort of like a let I you can do

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<v Speaker 2>a non social media, non ticketed wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you like hate the public, yeah, total hiding something.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you getting married?

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<v Speaker 3>No? No, I think if I were to get married,

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<v Speaker 3>I would do like a little elopement. Yeah, I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like a little elopement is cute. My grandma got eloped,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like so fierce.

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<v Speaker 2>I love got eloped.

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<v Speaker 3>She eloped. I mean it is kind of one of

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<v Speaker 3>those old school loves where all of a sudden you

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<v Speaker 3>just got eloped. Yeah, but she eloped in Vegas, which

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<v Speaker 3>is like because now she's like ninety somethings, just when

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<v Speaker 3>she was.

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<v Speaker 2>Young, Yes, okay, yeah, I was like, maybe she's like

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<v Speaker 2>has like this third act where she like fell in

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<v Speaker 2>love in her eighties.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but I just love that, like back in the

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<v Speaker 3>day when everyone's kind I feel like back in the day,

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<v Speaker 3>everything was way more traditional. So the fact that she

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<v Speaker 3>eloped in Vegas is real fierce pretty punk rock. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My grandmother, when we were younger, would sometimes let

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<v Speaker 2>it slip that she was like very I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>say this in respectful way, that in her village in

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<v Speaker 2>Greece she was very popular as a woman. Yeah, go

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<v Speaker 2>with my grandfather.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, And then we were also like, okay, like what

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<v Speaker 2>is what is the most progressive and way to respond

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<v Speaker 2>to this?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Can I ask what type of language does she

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<v Speaker 1>used to say this?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's more like I think it's literally like

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<v Speaker 2>along the lines of what I'm saying, like I was

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<v Speaker 2>very popular with the boys or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my grandma aged about having giant boobs, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>why my grandpa really loved her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that'll do it. Yeah, giant boobs, Vegas elopement.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's kind of a queen.

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<v Speaker 3>I know. I'm like kind of sad that I only

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<v Speaker 3>know her as an old woman, because I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to go out with you, girl, you seem fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It is crazy that we're now full fledged adults and

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<v Speaker 2>we're still like figuring out that our parents and grandparents

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<v Speaker 2>used to be young.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally well, and it's even worse now that I've

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<v Speaker 1>like nieces and nephews. I'm like, oh, no, you're only

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<v Speaker 1>gonna know me as like the old guy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I am trying to do this joke right now about

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<v Speaker 3>how frustrating frustrating it is to become an aunt or

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<v Speaker 3>an uncle or something, because no one asks you if

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<v Speaker 3>you're ready. You don't, like, Yeah, when my sisters were like,

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<v Speaker 3>we're having a baby, I'm like, you weren't going to

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<v Speaker 3>ask me, Like, I'm not ready to become an aunt.

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<v Speaker 3>Like now I have to watch my life go by

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<v Speaker 3>through the lens of your children growing up. It's horrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it is horrifying because even like now, my like

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<v Speaker 1>nephew is like three, and I'm like, whoa, but I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't changed much in the last three years. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's not fair. And there's no shouldn't that shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be reflected.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And there's no like, like parents have so many

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<v Speaker 3>books on how to be a good parent, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I need a book. I don't know how to be

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<v Speaker 3>an aunt. I feel like a deadbe aunt. Am I

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to get them gifts? Every time I see them?

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<v Speaker 3>How often do I talk to them? Do they even

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<v Speaker 3>registered to me on FaceTime? Like, what's the best way

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<v Speaker 3>to like be an active aunt in their life?

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<v Speaker 1>The way that you can make it your own does

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<v Speaker 1>actually stress me out. I wish there was a set

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<v Speaker 1>of rules, yeah, because I'm even like, do you like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm almost like waiting to be told, like I want

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<v Speaker 1>my sister to be like, no, get them presents, because

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<v Speaker 1>right now I'm like, well that would be I would

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<v Speaker 1>be annoyed if I if you guys like had a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of junk now, because every time I saw you, you

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<v Speaker 1>got a toy.

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<v Speaker 3>But then when I show up empty handed, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys hate me, You guys hate me. I'm being

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<v Speaker 3>a bad job.

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<v Speaker 1>Really.

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<v Speaker 2>The way we live truly at hebnute walk from our

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<v Speaker 2>niece and so we see her all the time. But

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<v Speaker 2>every time I walk in empty handed, I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>in my head, but I can almost see my sister

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<v Speaker 2>in law being like, oh so you just sort of

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<v Speaker 2>can't shut up, not even like a little onesie or

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like a little a little toy or stuffed animal.

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<v Speaker 2>There is an expectation that you should be which if

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<v Speaker 2>she's listening, I don't actually think that, but there's an

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<v Speaker 2>expectation that like every that like your job as uncle

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<v Speaker 2>or aunt is like to produce presents.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and speaking of the if you're listening, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mean any of this. I actually do want to address this.

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<v Speaker 1>I texted you about this. Yeah, we're not a place

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<v Speaker 1>where you want to be critiqued. This new thing, this

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<v Speaker 1>is my new thing that I actually think is really smart.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the same way that no one asks

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<v Speaker 1>for consent whether you want to be an aunt or uncle.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's no one's asking me if I'm ready to

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<v Speaker 1>be critiqued, And I'm not always ready to be critiqued.

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<v Speaker 3>Like in what sense I can comment on.

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<v Speaker 2>When there is a video that was boasted of us

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<v Speaker 2>where we say something about how off and lesbians we

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<v Speaker 2>know fall into mask and femme dynamics. Yeah, and so,

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<v Speaker 2>as you might imagine in the comments, there is an army,

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<v Speaker 2>a militaristic army of lesbians that are telling us to

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<v Speaker 2>read queer history.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, literally just being like it's called a book, read one,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like enough, Like and then I've seen this

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<v Speaker 1>comment like at least twelve times now, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>how many more people are going to say, read a

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<v Speaker 1>book on queer history? Like, first of all, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to. Second of all, like that's not a note

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<v Speaker 1>you can just give someone on Instagram. Like it's also

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm just like be mad like but like just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, find a private place to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not in a place where I want to be critiqued.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you feel? What is your relationship to critique?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I used to be really bothered by it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't know when or how it happened, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>I sort of been the same way. I've reached to

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<v Speaker 2>point of zen about it where I almost see it

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<v Speaker 2>as like I'm watching a reality show in the comments section,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, ooh, there's a new character, and like

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<v Speaker 2>her thing is that she's actually commenting like this to

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<v Speaker 2>every existing comment. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I've looked up all these people, every single one.

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<v Speaker 1>I know where they live, I know what their deal is.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not so you know how Like we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about how people don't have like internet media literacy especially

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll post something really.

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<v Speaker 2>Stupid like only people that do actually, And.

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<v Speaker 1>So when people people post something like share this to say,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Zuckerberg, you can't have my data. Yeah, Like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>ready to make a if any graphic designers are out there,

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<v Speaker 1>I want a blurry graphic that says share this if

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<v Speaker 1>you are not in a place to be critiqued. If

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<v Speaker 1>you share this photo, you are not allowed to be.

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<v Speaker 3>No comments, no questions concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also something it does about me to where it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the same. The way that it's the same comment

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<v Speaker 1>is like you have to look at what's already been

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<v Speaker 1>said and be like, oh, that's that's been taking.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you need to I think you need to

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<v Speaker 3>lean into it and start posting more controversial clips. So

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<v Speaker 3>then that way, there's just so many critiques that you

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<v Speaker 3>are like, well, I just I personally cannot take critique, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. But Sam doesn't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But then when we do it, you get married. I

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<v Speaker 2>like literally wants to Sam is like I liked it

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<v Speaker 2>at first.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked like four when there were four comments I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm in heaven, but there were twenty comments.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, no, no, can I say.

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<v Speaker 3>Is better than exactly, there's way more personal twenty It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>they're just repeating each other.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when and also to feel like bots.

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<v Speaker 1>It just start to feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>And someone sees that there's already a bunch of comments,

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<v Speaker 2>it feels less personal for them too. They're like, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is I mean, I hate to say, but we

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<v Speaker 2>are also I mean, not that you and I are

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<v Speaker 2>commenting on I never commented, I know, but like when

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<v Speaker 2>something is suddenly, when something has more traction, it feels

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<v Speaker 2>more faceless, and it's it might as well be like

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<v Speaker 2>a clip from local news or something that's like going viral.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, okay, here's what I think is happening. We

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<v Speaker 2>are so obsessed with telling other people they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>internet literacy, but then when things like this happened to us,

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<v Speaker 2>that happened to everyone, were suddenly like, I'm sorry, why

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<v Speaker 2>am I being a dad? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>There is something where I'm like, we've always stayed in

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<v Speaker 1>our general pool, like everyone that likes our podcast like to.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a guest and be like talking at you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's almost like a therapist sort of witnessing

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<v Speaker 1>and being able to Yeah. But I think like before

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<v Speaker 1>we've been in and this is what I said was

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<v Speaker 1>good before, where I said like this. With this clip,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're letting go of the wall in

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<v Speaker 1>the pool and we're kind of going into the defense.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's good because say, for every if you're opening

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<v Speaker 3>the pool or whatever, more people are saying this that

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<v Speaker 3>aren't in the group. That means like for everyone shady comment,

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<v Speaker 3>that's like maybe at least one to one ratio of

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<v Speaker 3>one new person being like, oh, I kind of like this,

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<v Speaker 3>But they're not going to because because no one comments

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<v Speaker 3>anything normal or boring, no one's gonna comment I like this.

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<v Speaker 2>They're gonna be like yes, We're like fuck, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the silent, the silent normal majority.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is across the board. This is actually, this

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<v Speaker 2>is all the listeners out there. I am issuing the

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<v Speaker 2>spread love challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>You watch a video and you say this is good

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to spread some love, comment this is

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<v Speaker 1>good period.

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<v Speaker 3>See, but then you have to reverse psychology. This is

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<v Speaker 3>what you have to You have to reverse psychology and

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<v Speaker 3>be like no, bring it, give me your harshest thing,

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<v Speaker 3>because when you allow people to say me and stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>then they're going to go so easy because now it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>this isn't fun anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, Okay, lesbians hit us with everything you've got,

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<v Speaker 1>recommend that literature in a way that we could never

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<v Speaker 1>ever imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>We are not in a fight with lesbians with this post.

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<v Speaker 2>We are, I mean, we can't. My final word personally

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<v Speaker 2>on this is just like we amplify queer women's voices

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<v Speaker 2>so often, and are they It's like the people we

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<v Speaker 2>love the most are queer women and it hurts so

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<v Speaker 2>much to say them turned on us.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh this is a good clip.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, Oh my god, you're thinking you want you

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<v Speaker 2>want this to happen again.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, but what was the original clip? Just that there's

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<v Speaker 3>mask and fem and then people Definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>We're definitely being like flippant with our judgments and we

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<v Speaker 2>know that we're being very much like, oh god, we

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<v Speaker 2>can't go into it again. We're being just like we

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<v Speaker 2>had Lisa Trey Rond and Lisa was like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know many lesbian couples had fall into mask fem norms.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we are being like, yeah, it's crazy that

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<v Speaker 2>many lesbians we know fall into mask feminoids, which, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, so do like gay guys do too. They're

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<v Speaker 2>just like sort of gi guys are just like dumber

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<v Speaker 2>than Lesbiant.

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<v Speaker 3>Said this, I have a couple's therapists. Is that straight culture?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to tell.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to tell, but my my couple's therapists because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, you know the norms blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 3>male female and she's like, no, this comes up a

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<v Speaker 3>lot in my time sex couple. So shout out to

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<v Speaker 3>Laura for confirming this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, shout out to Laura.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, shout out to And that's actually the final word

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<v Speaker 2>on this is shout out to Laura.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we do it for a segment?

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should do it for a segment.

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<v Speaker 2>Our first segment is called Straight Shooters, and in this segment,

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<v Speaker 2>we test your familiarity with and complicity and straight culture

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<v Speaker 2>by asking you a series of rapid fire questions where

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<v Speaker 2>you have to choose one thing or another thing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of our shack test to see how your mind's

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<v Speaker 2>are working. Okay, and the one rule is you can't

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<v Speaker 2>ask any follow up questions about how the game works,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you do, We're going to be really mad

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<v Speaker 2>at you. Don't try to look for logic.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So I just said that's a question.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a question. Okay, Okay, hold on, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>find them, Okay. Ally, a cloudy day or a poudy day.

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<v Speaker 2>A cloudy day, Rylo Kylie or Riley Keo.

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<v Speaker 3>Riley Keo?

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa a new season of White Lotus or a new

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<v Speaker 1>reason to fight potus.

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<v Speaker 3>A new reason to fight yay?

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<v Speaker 2>The Woke Mind virus or the folk music Resurgence, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>the yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Totally mm, because I don't know if I'm liking these

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<v Speaker 3>or not, like the Woke Mind virus went the ya?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Okay, Recommending a book or complimenting a cook, complimenting

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<v Speaker 1>a cook.

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<v Speaker 2>Skipping leg day or dipping to Beyonce.

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<v Speaker 1>Dipping, skipping leg Day, subscribing to a sub stack, or

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<v Speaker 1>whining after a.

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<v Speaker 3>Nut tap, whining after a nut tap.

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<v Speaker 2>A professionally trained ballerina, or a suspiciously blood stained pashmina.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh, suspiciously blood stained pashmina. Wow, what do you guys

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<v Speaker 3>think about?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we let's rank our guest performance on a

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<v Speaker 2>scale of zero to one thousand doves, and I actually

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<v Speaker 2>think that was a really good performance.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was an amazing performance. There was there

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<v Speaker 1>was wonder, there was natural curiosity, there was confidence, but

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<v Speaker 1>not arrogance.

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<v Speaker 2>You were a woman in the beginning of a rom

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<v Speaker 2>com who is like, everything is going really well in

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<v Speaker 2>her life, but there's one thing missing. Like you had

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<v Speaker 2>a natural air of curiosity about you. You there was

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<v Speaker 2>so much happening behind your eyes. It was you were

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<v Speaker 2>giving a really great, grounded performance and it made me think, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know what makes this girl tick?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>So i'd say eight hundred and twenty three three doves.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I love being talked about just like I'm like, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>keep going. What else?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know I told you this before we were recording,

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<v Speaker 2>but your hair is like so like beautiful and like

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually very Los Angeles woman.

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<v Speaker 1>You know now that you're saying that, it makes so

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<v Speaker 1>much sense. But I had no idea you were a

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<v Speaker 1>West Coast.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. People think I'm like maybe some sometimes people say Midwest,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes people say Southern. But I think it's because I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of mumble.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are handsome a California accents. Now I'm hearing

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<v Speaker 2>not like, not super intense. It's not like Valley Girl.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a California cadence that I am familiar with.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I guess here's here's the weird thing that doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>make sense. How Okay, I'm gonna spell a word. You

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<v Speaker 3>say it, okay, f O U N t A I

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<v Speaker 3>N fountain fountain, I say fountain, fountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Fountain, mountain, fountain fountain. Hmmm.

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<v Speaker 3>And then like my boyfriend makes fun of me because

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<v Speaker 3>me and my mom and my sister say, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>we say milk.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's such a Yeah, that's the very But I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that's like mid Atlantic. That's like marill into

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<v Speaker 1>my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know so that. But everyone

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<v Speaker 3>in my family, like my parents, that everyone's like California.

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<v Speaker 2>I recently realized I've been saying scars instead of scarce whoa,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one has ever corrected me whoa, even though

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<v Speaker 2>I obviously have heard other people say that way.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a great sign of who you are

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<v Speaker 3>that people just go he knows what, Yeah, he knows.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm surely I'm the wrong one here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe or maybe they're like, really fucking goes against

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<v Speaker 2>scars Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I've never heard you say that word. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what what was the moment they clicked?

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<v Speaker 2>My husband corrected me. Really, he said, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to stay in this marriage, better learn how to say

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<v Speaker 2>now that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that it's locked down, I can finally be honest. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you say this wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I also do struggle with saying the word singer, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>singer that I think that's how I'm supposed to say it,

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<v Speaker 2>But I get really kind of like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, singer, singer. I love when people say singer. Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>I sing Saying singer is so like you are like

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<v Speaker 1>a mother of two, but you still think you've like

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<v Speaker 1>got a shot at making it. Yeah, America's got talent,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like being interviewed and you're like, I've just

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<v Speaker 1>always wanted to be a singer.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like now you're saying it, I'm like, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a bad word, Like it doesn't but it doesn't singer singer.

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<v Speaker 2>Be a Yeah, it's a bad word, as in it's

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<v Speaker 2>a slur or it's a bad word.

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<v Speaker 3>Like depending on who's singing, who's.

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<v Speaker 2>Singing, If you yourself are a singer, you can say singer, but.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's just a weird word.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a bad word.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, singer, it's not right, No, it doesn't. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no flow.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of. Okay, so like bringer, like I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything with the g is that it's not got to

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<v Speaker 3>flow or I guess you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, it does work though, finger finger.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of finger finger, because you would never say finger finger.

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<v Speaker 3>No, finger finger. Yeah, that actually that's so true.

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<v Speaker 2>It was one of those words that's like that is

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what that is meant to be finger finger, which

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 2>growth finger already kind of gross and witchy. And then

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<v Speaker 2>of course the disgusting term fingering, like of.

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<v Speaker 3>Course that term it's got a ring to ring.

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<v Speaker 2>There's there's no way to be elegant while saying the

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<v Speaker 2>term fingering it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's always juvenile. If you were getting fingered, you're

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<v Speaker 1>like in my like everyone's getting fingers, getting fingered.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can't be like you know, Julie Andrews and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, oh I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was fingered, but it's not for her.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not for her. She's British.

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<v Speaker 1>People have a different word for fingering. Oh, I'm sure

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 1>they need one.

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're like I was digitized. Oh, actually, I'm gonna

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 2>start saying digitized and I was digitized.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I think that jacking off is a

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<v Speaker 3>horrible I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a question for you. Yeah, did you grow up

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<v Speaker 2>with jacking off or jerking off?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I don't know. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't doing much of that growing up, and I'm and

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't part of the dialogue around.

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<v Speaker 1>You remove yourself from that conversation.

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, though, like if I'm trying to remember

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 3>being a teen, I feel like everyone was probably jerking off.

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 3>I feel like jerking was more.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like trying to like go back to childhood remember

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<v Speaker 1>up with jacking.

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 2>But then I actually think after I came out, jerking

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 2>became more among the guys. Next year. Oh but I

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<v Speaker 2>think even even like it's like, you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between dick and cock.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Cok has a more like sexy connotation, and I think

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 2>jerk versus jack also has that. Yeah.

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, jack and cock both just sound more aggressive.

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've heard of jack and coke, but jack and

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 1>cock and cock? Yeah we should Okay, okay, So what

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>is your topic today? And you know what is roughly

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 1>straight about it to you?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so so many crossed my mind, but I guess

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:36.320
<v Speaker 3>something that I feel like is a very straight concept

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 3>is like YouTube celebrities and YouTube controversies. Yeah, so, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean the main one being anything surrounding Breonna Chicken Fry,

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:52.480
<v Speaker 3>I E. Zach Bryan, I E. Barstool, I E. Dave Portnoy.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that universe, in the kind of mainstream

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 3>YouTube universe is pretty straight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would have to agree. It's even when you

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>first suggested this topic, I was like Brianna Chicken Fry Like,

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what does that mean? I've never heard

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<v Speaker 1>of this? And then I had to go back and

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>be like, wait, I did hear about this on the

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>only straight podcast I listened to, And even still I

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't understand it. And they talk about it all the time,

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and I don't get it.

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 2>The thing with so, I'm the same way with a

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 2>uneekly they talk about Brianna Chicken Fry a lot and

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 2>the way I quite literally love those both of those

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 2>girls to death, But I as soon as the name

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 2>is mentioned, I ton it. I cannot physically pay.

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<v Speaker 3>Atten because I think the name in it of itself. Yes,

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 3>chicken fry. It's not her real last name for anyone

0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 3>who doesn't know, it's a name that she gave herself.

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 3>And even that is like, what's something that guys will

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 3>get into, Like, my name's Brianna. I'm a girl, but

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 3>if I say chicken fry, then guys might open their

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 3>ears a little.

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing, I'm a girl.

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 2>But it's also there is something so transcendent about it

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 2>because to me, Brianna chicken Fry is quite literally like

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.719
<v Speaker 2>what a drag name would be if there were no

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 2>gay people ever, Like it's like it is a it

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 2>is a completely It's like if a bunch of straight

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 2>men and straight women got together and they were like,

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 2>let's think of a drag name. No gay people are

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 2>allowed to weigh in, they will come up with, specifically Brianna,

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 2>like that would be the first name, Brianna chicken Fry.

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 2>And there is something actually so beautiful about that, Like

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 2>it's almost like you know, when you watch something so

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 2>like aggressively kind of browie like the Hangover movies or something,

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 2>you have to really respect how amazing of a document

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:37.239
<v Speaker 2>it is, like it is so beautiful that we live

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>in a world with Brianna chicken fry. Yeah, I could

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 2>have never thought of that.

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 3>And it's balanced. You know, you need Brionna chicken fry

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 3>so you can get you know, a Tricia paid us

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 3>like a balance.

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, what is the chicken fry controversies?

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 3>So, I don't know. I mean it goes deep. I mean,

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 3>first of all, you're a stool. You know, your boss

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 3>is Dave Portnoy. He's gonna kind of puppeteer the way

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:10.879
<v Speaker 3>he does. And so Brianna chicken Fry. The initial main

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 3>controversy was she got into a relationship with this country boy,

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 3>Zach Bryan, and Zach Bryan was in a relationship, so

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 3>their relationship started off with this like what's the timeline

0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:25.400
<v Speaker 3>did they get together before?

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 3>Is there any cheating whatever? So the relationship was already

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 3>kind of doomed from the beginning, and then throughout the

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 3>course of the relationship, Brian is like becoming a roadie

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:40.480
<v Speaker 3>for her man. She is going on tour, she is,

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, supportive at all the venues. It's never a

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 3>good sign when she's like making TikTok videos being like

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 3>you want to come to the show, like you're so sweet,

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 3>it's like, don't be promoted, like you're not the promoter. Yeah.

0:34:55.200 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 3>And then she kind of started dressing and acting like

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 3>his ex girlfriend. Yeah. So there were kind of some

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 3>like you know videos side by side being like she's

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 3>wearing the same hat that the ex girlfriend would always wear.

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh, and that was perceived as shade.

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 3>No, it was like it was like it was like

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 3>she's trying to she's trying to like be the ex

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 3>like something. Maybe maybe it's like it's like girlfriend, sorrya

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:31.160
<v Speaker 3>sent sorry, talk about the brown and chicken fry.

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Of of her time. It's like how she is Kim Yeah. Yeah,

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean the difference, of course is that she's not

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 2>really in control, but go on.

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So then the relationship comes to a screeching halt,

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:51.320
<v Speaker 3>and once again Zach Brian has maybe moved on during

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 3>the relationship, but also it comes out that he is

0:35:56.160 --> 0:36:00.080
<v Speaker 3>potentially kind of abusive a little bit, and not I

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 3>don't think physically, but I think emotionally and all the

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:08.720
<v Speaker 3>other non physical thing ways that you can be abusive psychologically.

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 3>And so everyone's kind of back on team Brianna because

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:16.400
<v Speaker 3>for a while everyone was like she's doing too much,

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:20.360
<v Speaker 3>she's you know, losing herself and then you know, she

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 3>comes out, she says these things about Zach. One of

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 3>her best friends who she does her podcast with, Grace O'Malley,

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:30.919
<v Speaker 3>is defending her. She's like, you know, helping her out,

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:35.120
<v Speaker 3>being a good friend. So everyone's in Brionna's Everyone's like

0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 3>team Brianna at this point because they're like, she went

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 3>through a lot, we don't know what it was like,

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:44.360
<v Speaker 3>all past is forgiven. But then Brianna turns her back

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 3>on her best friend Grace, and so now everyone's like,

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:54.880
<v Speaker 3>F Brianna. We're team Grace and F Zach, Bryan and Brianna.

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 3>Because Brianna, the stuff that she was saying about Zach,

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 3>all the bad stuff she was saying about Zach, she

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 3>was doing the exact same thing to her best friend Greg.

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 2>She was gaslighting.

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, She's like, I brought Grace out to New York

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 3>to do this podcast with me, and she's not thankful,

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 3>and it's like, that's exactly what you were saying about Zach.

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 2>There's something so beautiful about the crowd sort of at

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day finding the truth. It's like,

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:21.879
<v Speaker 2>first they didn't like him, then they didn't like her.

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Then they had the swim where they were like, oh right,

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 2>they both suck.

0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 1>It's a nice narrative, it's.

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 2>An end, and in fact we support the woman, the

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:33.280
<v Speaker 2>supporting actress in the scenario, which is Grace O'Malley.

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 3>Yes, everyone is lifting her up.

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes we are, and I want to join them in

0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:39.840
<v Speaker 2>lifting up Grace O'Malley.

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, George, nothing's ever over, and who knows what

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 1>manipulative things has come out as having done.

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 2>As a wise woman doesn't mean it's really over and

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 2>it's never okay. So I have many thoughts about this.

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 2>To me, something that is very straight about almost like

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 2>either YouTuber or creator drama is that I I think,

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 2>in my experience the drama stems from very like almost

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:16.000
<v Speaker 2>conservative heteronormative values. It's always about like it's about cheating,

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 2>it's about marriage, it's about like this very sort of

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 2>antiquated idea of like properness, like was this a proper

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 2>thing to do? You know what I mean? Like it's

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 2>never that someone you know, what's like a gay scandal,

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Like it's like it's like.

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay, scandal is like someone's tumbler from twenty years ago

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 1>came out and they were like crazy.

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, sure, it's because Okay, of course the exception

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 2>to all of this.

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 1>That we have is that someone stole someone's dancers.

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes exactly, which that has nothing to do with Okay,

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:57.400
<v Speaker 2>So here's what it is. I actually think loyalty related things.

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I think on the one side you have faith, like

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 2>being faithful, monogamy, gender dynamics probably, and on the other

0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 2>side you have non gendered loyalty. Non gender loyalty is gay,

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 2>and then like marriage and cheating and stuff is straight. Yeah,

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:17.480
<v Speaker 2>so I which is why I think. Of course, the

0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:19.840
<v Speaker 2>big exception everything we're saying is the James Charles and

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Tati drama, because that was all about loyalty between a

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.320
<v Speaker 2>straight woman and a gay man.

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I think so.

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 2>But that sort of is like the exception that proves

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 2>a rule. It's like, we had one big gay scandal

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 2>and they actually crushed it so hard that we never

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:38.800
<v Speaker 2>need to have another one again. And since then, people

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:40.800
<v Speaker 2>like Briann and Chicken Fry have been trying to capture

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:41.839
<v Speaker 2>that magic well.

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:44.280
<v Speaker 3>And I feel like maybe with like Tati and James,

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:46.839
<v Speaker 3>there's like so many layers to it, with Tati being

0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 3>an older woman, James being a young young man at

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 3>the time, and then like James's own controversies, whereas I

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:58.359
<v Speaker 3>feel like with a Brionna Chicken Fry, everything's just very

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:03.279
<v Speaker 3>much like this in this like it's all very chronological. Yeah,

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 3>and like yeah, I don't.

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Know, there's something about it too that feels straight where

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 1>it's about that's like a small town drama, like it's

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 1>something yeah you like looking in on, like oh that

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 1>that family actually they actually have trouble and they well

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 1>they're getting divorced actually, and whisper whisper, And there's something

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 1>where it's like, we don't have towns anymore, there's no

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 1>community anymore, so we have to find our small town

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:30.360
<v Speaker 1>drama in the weird YouTube celebrity.

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Our small villages are like YouTube communities that are like

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:38.560
<v Speaker 2>the beauty community, the barstool sports community, and then we

0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 2>all get to be bell in Beauty and the Beast,

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:42.280
<v Speaker 2>like prancing around with our book.

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 3>I wonder too if it's like because people like Brown

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.600
<v Speaker 3>and Chicken Fry, who are like very public facing, like

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 3>influencer and not celebrities, we knows we're seeing so much

0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 3>of them and we are invited to be a part

0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 3>of their lives, and so we analyze it. We're analyzing

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:05.800
<v Speaker 3>it so much deeper because it's almost like a close

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:09.839
<v Speaker 3>friend or family member, whereas like someone like you know,

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:13.359
<v Speaker 3>Taylor Swift and Katy Perry's dancers, we don't know very

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:16.799
<v Speaker 3>much about them personally, so we're like, and that's the

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:20.880
<v Speaker 3>dramas the dancers. Yeah, but if Katy Perry were to

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.720
<v Speaker 3>post all the time, we'd have so much more to say.

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:29.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's There are sort of like three types

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 2>of dramas one can follow in this day and age.

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:35.080
<v Speaker 2>H One is traditional celebrity news it's like Taylor Swift whatever.

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 2>One is reality show where it's like one step below,

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 2>where yes they're not real celebrities, but they are on television.

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 2>They're like fully in traditional media. And then the third

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:45.360
<v Speaker 2>is this what we're talking about here, which is like

0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 2>creator drama.

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:50.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you would think you would think creators all will

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:51.520
<v Speaker 1>be gay. I know.

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm struggling with.

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 1>It's like, but I think we underestimate how popular this

0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 1>stuff is in straight culture.

0:41:58.440 --> 0:41:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a big part of it, which is

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 1>something that we are struggling with in general. Like, I

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 1>genuinely like someone like Joe Rogan, who is like the

0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 1>biggest podcaster ever. Like I'm like, I don't know a

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 1>single person who listens to him, and that is like bizarre.

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, It's like how Stranger Things is the biggest television

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 2>show ever and I don't know anyone who watches it,

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.719
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, I really want to believe my own worldview,

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't reflect what the world actually is. Yeah,

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:31.799
<v Speaker 2>I think that. I think gay people. I think gay

0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:37.400
<v Speaker 2>people clip this regardless of who is numbers wise most popular.

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I think gay people are drawn to glamour, like they

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 2>want the A list celebrity they want, they want the

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 2>pop star, they want like the diva, whereas I think

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:50.760
<v Speaker 2>straight people are attracted to the more like everyday village

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 2>type thing. Wow, don't you think like that's really interesting? Actually,

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Like I think I think it is gayer to care

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:01.959
<v Speaker 2>more about people that are less reachable, people that are

0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:07.319
<v Speaker 2>more glamorous and distant, because you want the mythology and

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:11.799
<v Speaker 2>you want the like the sort of like magic of it.

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 2>And when you when I see some random creator, I

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:16.480
<v Speaker 2>actually actually sort of makes me sad. I'm like, ugh,

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:20.160
<v Speaker 2>they're like trying so hard to be famous unlike Lady Gaga,

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:21.880
<v Speaker 2>who was born famous. Yeah.

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:24.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, and I feel like I don't know if

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:28.800
<v Speaker 3>this has crossed over into any sort of gay TikTok culture,

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 3>but like the rise of tradwives, it's like, I feel

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:36.239
<v Speaker 3>like straight culture is like lifting something up and then

0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 3>tearing it down because it's like all of us we

0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 3>are watching these tradwives being like, oh my god, I

0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:44.880
<v Speaker 3>love she makes pies from scratch and has eggs and

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 3>chickens and whatever. But then it's like, but she, but

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:53.360
<v Speaker 3>her husband is she she actually is doing this, and

0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 3>it's like, yeah, she's showing us what she's doing. It's

0:43:56.520 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 3>like we fall very easily for things where it's like

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:03.200
<v Speaker 3>we'll see a trodwife and be like, oh, this is

0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:07.319
<v Speaker 3>a performance, whereas gay people see Beyonce and they're like

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 3>that's a performance. We see a trodwife and we're like,

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 3>she's putting on a show, and then we realized, no.

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, she's just genius, because I think you're also okay.

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Another great difference between gay straight is like the gay

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 2>weight to view something is as a performance and the

0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:25.640
<v Speaker 2>straight way to view it is literal, so you are

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:28.880
<v Speaker 2>more likely to get invested in Brianna Chicken Fry's literal

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:32.839
<v Speaker 2>day to day life, whereas a gay person sees that

0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:38.520
<v Speaker 2>and is like, oh, she's being sort of like cheeky

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:41.319
<v Speaker 2>and funny because she's like getting on a podcast and

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 2>talking about her life in this like meta way or whatever.

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Waiting that actually makes so much sense in terms of

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 3>like when Lady Gaga was first like coming up and like,

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 3>you know, my parents are just like straight people in

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:57.919
<v Speaker 3>general are like why is she wearing meat? Like like, oh,

0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:01.000
<v Speaker 3>does she have a penis or whatever it is? She's

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 3>satan Like she's bleeding out of her stomach at the VMA.

0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:06.719
<v Speaker 3>So it's like, yeah, it's like everything is very well as.

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Gay people are like, first of all, pause up.

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 3>Monstrous.

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it's like gay people are. When she's showing

0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 2>up wearing a meat dress made of literal meat, nob

0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 2>a person is like what kind of meat is that?

0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 2>And where did you get it?

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<v Speaker 1>There's something So I was, you know, listening to our

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:28.360
<v Speaker 1>dear friend Sophie Bottle on Mark Marin and she talked

0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:31.279
<v Speaker 1>about tall poppy syndrome, which I had never heard of

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 1>me neither. I love so tall poppy syndrome. She said,

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 1>it's like a Canadian thing where like if you aren't

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you should they discourage you from being a tall poppy.

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:41.480
<v Speaker 1>They want you to be the same height as all

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:43.440
<v Speaker 1>the other poppies. So if you're a tall poppy, they'll

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 1>cut you. And so she's like, I went to America

0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:48.799
<v Speaker 1>because I wanted to be a tall poppy and like

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:51.960
<v Speaker 1>in Canadian, in Canada, they would cut you down. And

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:55.680
<v Speaker 1>so like there's something here where straight people still have

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 1>like tall poppy syndrome, like they like their celebs to

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 1>match them, like that's a normal person, whereas like when

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Lady Gaga wants to be crazy, gay people are like

0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:06.760
<v Speaker 1>that's good. Finally that tall poppy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, all of this relates back to like the

0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:12.840
<v Speaker 2>concept of relatability. For example, like the the idea the

0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.319
<v Speaker 2>appeal of a quote unquote girl next door is a

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.960
<v Speaker 2>very straight thing. It's like very straight to be like

0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:21.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm turning on my TV and what I want is

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.960
<v Speaker 2>someone that looks like the girl next door to me,

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 2>or is the caper is turning on the TV and

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:29.360
<v Speaker 2>is like, if she doesn't have literally five breasts and

0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 2>she's breastfeeding a guinea pig on each one, I'm turning

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:33.120
<v Speaker 2>this off, and I.

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Wonder if this, like, I mean, maybe this goes, but okay,

0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm putting on my smart hat or maybe my.

0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:43.439
<v Speaker 2>Stupid hat when you're getting dressed.

0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and I feel the same in both, But I

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:52.600
<v Speaker 3>think I wonder if because societally, it's safer as a gay, queer,

0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:57.359
<v Speaker 3>whatever person to blend in, stay safe, don't break the mold,

0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:00.279
<v Speaker 3>don't be a tall poppy, just fit in, level out.

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:02.800
<v Speaker 3>So then when you see someone like like Lady Gaga,

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.600
<v Speaker 3>you're like, she represents all of us. It's safe for

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 3>her to be big and bold, and I get to

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:11.480
<v Speaker 3>stay here and support that, whereas like a straight person,

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.440
<v Speaker 3>it's like everyone can be the tallest spotpy ever, like

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 3>who cares whatever, Like you know what I mean, Like,

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:20.880
<v Speaker 3>it's not dangerous for me to wear a meat dress.

0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:24.799
<v Speaker 2>I see, yes, So it's not empowering. When you see

0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 2>someone in a meat dress, you're you're not empowered by

0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:30.760
<v Speaker 2>it because you're like, yeah, I could do that any day.

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Girl. Me just a little uncomfortable.

0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 2>All It's like.

0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 3>There's already enough judgments from society about just existing as

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:42.600
<v Speaker 3>a gay person, so when you see someone existing in

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:49.680
<v Speaker 3>this crazy loud big way like defiant. Yeah, it's it's

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 3>better than a Brionn a Chicken Fry who's just wearing like,

0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:55.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, dunem short shorts and going to country concerts.

0:47:55.400 --> 0:48:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Right because Brianna Chicken Fry could potentially bully you.

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:03.640
<v Speaker 1>She is she could.

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 2>You never know where you stand with her, whereas someone

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:07.640
<v Speaker 2>in a meat dress. You're like, well, you're even weirder

0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 2>than I am.

0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm like curious. I'm because the world is so vast.

0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Of course, I'm like, there is there are gay people

0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:17.359
<v Speaker 1>that are like I listened to Brianna Chicken Fry every

0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:19.759
<v Speaker 1>single week, and I would love to know what those

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:20.400
<v Speaker 1>people are like.

0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:22.919
<v Speaker 3>See, but that's what I was Any topic I thought

0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:26.360
<v Speaker 3>of bringing in, I'm like, okay, but definitely there's like

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:30.839
<v Speaker 3>a gay audience for this. But with brown and chicken Fry,

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:31.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm like.

0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Where No, I mean I think you literally count them

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>on one hand.

0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I mean they're all going to write in

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:37.879
<v Speaker 2>now they.

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Want I want this clip. I want you to comment

0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:43.200
<v Speaker 1>read a book.

0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I would love a round table of

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:48.799
<v Speaker 2>gay barstool listeners, like gay guys specifically.

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:52.840
<v Speaker 3>Well, so there is a podcast on barstool with two

0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:54.520
<v Speaker 3>gay men as the host.

0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:55.279
<v Speaker 2>So that's why.

0:48:55.920 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 3>But but even still, because it's at barstool, Well, I'm like,

0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:03.359
<v Speaker 3>they're just filling a quota. It doesn't feel like they

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:07.040
<v Speaker 3>genuinely wanted that at barstool. But they're like, oh, these

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:11.920
<v Speaker 3>are the most inoffensive gay men. I've done their podcast.

0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:15.880
<v Speaker 3>They're great, But I'm like, do they feel welcomed in

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:19.399
<v Speaker 3>this environment? I'm glad that they have it, but do

0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:20.359
<v Speaker 3>they like being there?

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Like when that was announced, was there like shit

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:24.920
<v Speaker 1>talking comments?

0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 3>I wonder.

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:32.680
<v Speaker 1>If I know anything stupid smart? How looks so similar?

0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Wow? What if we got acquired by barstool?

0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:38.360
<v Speaker 1>That would be so iconic?

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 2>That would be iconic. Okay, I'm trying to think of

0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 2>other Well.

0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna I'm gonna rattle offs of like YouTube ish

0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:53.719
<v Speaker 3>like not famous but famous straight things. Okay, So we

0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:56.520
<v Speaker 3>have brown and chicken fry, obviously, we have Barstool as

0:49:56.520 --> 0:50:00.880
<v Speaker 3>an umbrella. We have I to Alex.

0:50:00.680 --> 0:50:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Cooper of course, call your daddy.

0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh everyone's yelling at me.

0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually i have to say, I'm still shocked about

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:16.719
<v Speaker 2>your Nobody wants this ignorance. And now now God is

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:17.120
<v Speaker 2>telling me to.

0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Read a book.

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:21.720
<v Speaker 2>That I'm like, you don't support female podcasts.

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, what's your favorite Call Your Daddy episode?

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:30.839
<v Speaker 3>The one with Kamala Woke Mind?

0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Virus Virus.

0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 3>Also The Paul Brothers, Yes, Paul, Yeah, the streamer Sinnat.

0:50:42.000 --> 0:50:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, The Paul Brothers is a big one. And

0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:49.640
<v Speaker 2>actually I feel there was a moment so I watched

0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight. Yeah, And there was

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.640
<v Speaker 2>a moment when I was watching that where I was

0:50:56.680 --> 0:50:59.960
<v Speaker 2>like I almost like left my body. Trump had just

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:02.279
<v Speaker 2>got elected like a week earlier, and I almost left

0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:05.880
<v Speaker 2>my body and was like, this is a actual shift

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:11.319
<v Speaker 2>in culture, Like there is something about the fact that

0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:18.279
<v Speaker 2>suddenly literally everyone is on Netflix watching this like extremely

0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:23.680
<v Speaker 2>depressing and dark event that was started because a like

0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:32.920
<v Speaker 2>YouTuber turned whatever. Boxer is like challenging someone who was

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:36.120
<v Speaker 2>like a part of pop culture forty years ago and

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:40.080
<v Speaker 2>now is like sort of washed up and blah blah blah.

0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:42.880
<v Speaker 2>And then Jake Paul One in his speech was like

0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:45.960
<v Speaker 2>America's back, y'all. I can feel it. Yeah, I just

0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:48.600
<v Speaker 2>felt such a It's like every thought left my mind

0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, we have to reinvent the playbook

0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:53.080
<v Speaker 2>because what we're doing is not working.

0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Here, folks. Damn, that's a bummer.

0:51:55.000 --> 0:51:56.800
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. Like, and I almost think,

0:51:56.880 --> 0:52:00.520
<v Speaker 2>actually I almost think that that fight was like the

0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:06.400
<v Speaker 2>epitheosis of YouTuber drama. It's like we took it to

0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:09.240
<v Speaker 2>the farthest level we could take it to. Was a

0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Netflix streamed boxing match between Mike Tyson and Jake Paul.

0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. It's almost like that's like

0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:21.560
<v Speaker 2>the oscars of this world.

0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, speaking of oscars, I think Hawktuition have her own movie.

0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Talk. Well, she's actually not doing her podcast anymore because

0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:29.240
<v Speaker 2>there was so much.

0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Big quin scincin. I love it, and it's not her fault.

0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:39.800
<v Speaker 3>She's working with the goddamn Paul brothers. Talk to innocent, innocent,

0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:42.840
<v Speaker 3>and you know what, I think she's just around the

0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:45.600
<v Speaker 3>wrong people. I think she's got a good, big heart.

0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think she's got a great big heart.

0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:49.720
<v Speaker 2>You guys are insane.

0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:52.520
<v Speaker 3>She loves animals. She's from a small little town.

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Actually this has been forced upon her, as if you know,

0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:58.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, say say straight.

0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:02.400
<v Speaker 3>Pature got to her because she made a very funny, silly,

0:53:02.560 --> 0:53:07.880
<v Speaker 3>little blow job joke and guys grow The Rise of

0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:12.919
<v Speaker 3>Hawktua is a straight male event. Watching that as a woman,

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:16.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh ha ha, like funny guys are like, oh.

0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cool, Yeah, this is what you're saying. Is another

0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:24.080
<v Speaker 2>example of like performance versus like interpreting something as a

0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:28.879
<v Speaker 2>performance versus interpreting it as literal reality. It's like Hawktua,

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.080
<v Speaker 2>if things were right in the world, we would all

0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:34.400
<v Speaker 2>just be like, you go, girl, Like what a funny

0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:37.680
<v Speaker 2>thing to say, and like, you know, okay, let's make

0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:40.040
<v Speaker 2>some merch and let's get you you know, there's a

0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 2>hawk to a Halloween cost and bab blind and then

0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:44.120
<v Speaker 2>we can all move on. But then the literal way

0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:48.719
<v Speaker 2>is then people debating like what that looks, like how

0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 2>do you actually spit on a spit on it? And

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:54.759
<v Speaker 2>like does that mean that she's like slutty? And like

0:53:54.880 --> 0:53:57.319
<v Speaker 2>what is her? How do you feel about like hawk

0:53:57.400 --> 0:54:01.080
<v Speaker 2>to It's it's like, immediately take any fun out of it.

0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:04.000
<v Speaker 3>I knew it was over when both of my brother

0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:06.719
<v Speaker 3>in law's had referenced it and I was like, this

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:11.760
<v Speaker 3>shouldn't have gotten to you. Yeah, I do. I also

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:16.840
<v Speaker 3>think that Street interviews, aside from Billy Eichner and like

0:54:17.080 --> 0:54:20.840
<v Speaker 3>that guy Chris Clement. I think in general, just people

0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.360
<v Speaker 3>being like gay sun her thought daughter, that's very strict.

0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:27.040
<v Speaker 1>No, it's so I'm actually frustrated with it because like

0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Billy Eikner did it so well and it was like

0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:33.120
<v Speaker 1>comedic and good, and then like now it's like literally

0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 1>everyone is doing it and no one is trying to

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:37.960
<v Speaker 1>do anything comedic with it at all. They're just like

0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I just want to be on a camera holding a

0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:40.560
<v Speaker 1>little bit.

0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Because Billy is the funny person in the Man on

0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:46.920
<v Speaker 3>the Street, whereas these people like the Hawk Toua, she

0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:49.400
<v Speaker 3>was the funny person, not the guy. I said, no

0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:52.600
<v Speaker 3>one knows the person who put the microphone in her face,

0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:57.320
<v Speaker 3>because there there's no brain behind that. It's the people talking.

0:54:57.440 --> 0:54:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Everyone's just relying on other people for their content.

0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:02.560
<v Speaker 1>But did you guys see the clip where she was

0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:03.760
<v Speaker 1>like talking to people.

0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 4>I gotta go, I love that so much, so funny,

0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:13.920
<v Speaker 4>and then they didn't hear from her for weeks.

0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:15.560
<v Speaker 3>That's what you got to say in the comments when

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:17.040
<v Speaker 3>people like read a book like.

0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:21.440
<v Speaker 1>In the morning, Okay, so funny.

0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's like this interview thing. It's almost like on

0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:26.880
<v Speaker 2>one end of the spectrum we have girls gone wild

0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:30.640
<v Speaker 2>literally predatory men asking drunk women to take their clothes off,

0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:32.319
<v Speaker 2>and then on the other side of it, we have

0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:36.640
<v Speaker 2>like Jimmy what's his name, Oh my god, Martin Schwartz

0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:41.080
<v Speaker 2>k oh yeah, yeah, Jimmy Click, which is like he's

0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:44.600
<v Speaker 2>he's the butt of the joke and you got it,

0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:49.040
<v Speaker 2>like Jimminy Glick. Gay girls gone wild straight, Yeah, the

0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:51.400
<v Speaker 2>interviewer has to There has to be talent in the interviewer,

0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:53.040
<v Speaker 2>and it has to be rooted in performance rather than

0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:54.160
<v Speaker 2>going around making fun of people.

0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I fully agree. I think we've solved it pretty much.

0:55:57.680 --> 0:56:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Interesting. Any final thoughts on YouTuber dramas and or sorry?

0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:02.839
<v Speaker 2>Is it no?

0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:06.600
<v Speaker 1>No, We're good, Okay. I guess like I'm just like

0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:10.800
<v Speaker 1>the problem that I'm struggling with is that it won't

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:12.759
<v Speaker 1>It's only going to get bigger. No, I know, I know,

0:56:12.840 --> 0:56:16.680
<v Speaker 1>this like type of culture is so deeply popular among

0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:19.080
<v Speaker 1>people I've never met in my life and will keep

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:23.239
<v Speaker 1>getting more and more popular, and I'm like bummed out

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:23.520
<v Speaker 1>by it.

0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:26.360
<v Speaker 3>Actually, I think what needs to happen the shift is

0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:31.759
<v Speaker 3>that gay people need to make more boring content. With

0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:35.080
<v Speaker 3>the way that straight people have dominated the boring content.

0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Market so much thought into overwriting.

0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:42.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, don't need much thought. Turn it down.

0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:43.600
<v Speaker 2>I want to say, all, I think a lot of

0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:46.839
<v Speaker 2>people are already heeding her advice. That's not what I'm

0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:49.839
<v Speaker 2>seeing on some of my suggested content out there.

0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Or have just like like have more boring drama that

0:56:53.800 --> 0:56:59.360
<v Speaker 3>people can get upset over, like relationship drama. Mess it

0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:00.680
<v Speaker 3>like mess see stuff.

0:57:01.120 --> 0:57:04.359
<v Speaker 1>When when gay people eradicated the concept of cheating, that's

0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:06.000
<v Speaker 1>when things got That's.

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:07.160
<v Speaker 2>When things got difficult.

0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Because that's such an easy generator of drama. And it's like,

0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:12.919
<v Speaker 1>first of all, gonna happen no matter what. So it's

0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:15.560
<v Speaker 1>like if we just kept that as like the big

0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:18.240
<v Speaker 1>dramatic event, God, we'd be fine.

0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:20.560
<v Speaker 3>Because Jeffrey Star, I feel like, does a good job

0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:24.040
<v Speaker 3>of being controversial in mainstream right.

0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:28.080
<v Speaker 2>But that's because Jeffrey he literally will like murder.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well he also is like like like I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>the vibe with him is like he could murder at

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<v Speaker 2>any moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Successful there's also always a threat with him that he'll

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<v Speaker 1>like release the names of like the people.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how people will keep watching. We need more threats

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<v Speaker 3>in our content, like some sort of mystery that we're

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<v Speaker 3>trying to crack.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know what the equivalent of cheating is

0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:56.520
<v Speaker 2>with gay creators is like closetedness. It's like it's like

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<v Speaker 2>so and so like this big male celebrity, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Is true true? Who?

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, like I get such a pit

0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 2>nic stomach when I think of these like creator dramas

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<v Speaker 2>just because it really is, like not to sound like

0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:13.320
<v Speaker 2>elitist or something, but it really does feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>death knell of all culture. Like it really is like

0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:20.439
<v Speaker 2>you're just sort of like how much lower can it get?

0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Like literally, how much lower can entertainment get than Brianna

0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Chicken fry Well and even I guess it could be

0:58:26.000 --> 0:58:28.720
<v Speaker 2>like literally how much like what else? How can you

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<v Speaker 2>like take away any more?

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<v Speaker 1>Like production? Yeah, Like like we used to like read stories,

0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:37.600
<v Speaker 1>we used to watch plays, and then it was like okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now we're watching TV. Okay, now we're watching reality TV. Okay,

0:58:40.200 --> 0:58:42.000
<v Speaker 1>now we're watching It's like how.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we're literally just gonna start staring at people on

0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:46.360
<v Speaker 2>the street and like yelling at exactly. Everyone is just

0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:48.840
<v Speaker 2>gonna have like a police camera on their chest and

0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:50.280
<v Speaker 2>then you're gonna be like looll keep passed by that

0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 2>woman and her hair sucks, and.

0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Then it'll be like, actually when in her hair sucks,

0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:55.640
<v Speaker 1>that was radical.

0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:59.360
<v Speaker 2>And then there's gonna be merched that's like my hair

0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:02.960
<v Speaker 2>sucks too. And then she's gonna have a podcast, and

0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:06.040
<v Speaker 2>then she's gonna have her own cryptocurrency and then a

0:59:06.080 --> 0:59:09.440
<v Speaker 2>signature catchphrase, and then she's gonna be president, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be our first woman president.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love that Majo for president, do you guys? Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>she has been a YouTuber for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 3>She spam Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, we don't have that.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to bring this up because something that

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<v Speaker 2>we just like fully haven't mentioned is a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of this is also quote unquote scammer scandals like TanaCon

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<v Speaker 2>is a great example of this. It's like she charged

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<v Speaker 2>her fans this much money, then they showed up and

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<v Speaker 2>the convention was a scam or like Carolina is a classic,

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<v Speaker 2>like Creator drama that has to do with is more queer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think it's like scamming, all right, Scamming and

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<v Speaker 2>loyalty are queer, and then like heating and what else,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the marriage and marriage?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's like like presenting a different version hypocrisy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah totally because I okay, So hypocrisy and cheating, which

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<v Speaker 2>I guess are the same things like morals. Morals, Yeah, morals,

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<v Speaker 2>hypocrisy and cheating are straight, and loyalty and scamming are

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<v Speaker 2>queer when it comes to scandals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad we got there.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, we'll should we do our final segment? Okay. Our

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<v Speaker 1>final segment is called shout Outs, And in the segment

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<v Speaker 1>we pay homage. Is the Grand Street tradition of the

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<v Speaker 1>radio shout out. Shout out to anything that we are enjoying, people, places, things, ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want in the whole wide world, and we

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<v Speaker 1>think of it on the spot, and we'll go first.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm trying to do you have one?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Okay, I do. Okay, what's up, freaks and perverts

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<v Speaker 1>around the globe. I want to give a huge shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to cloudy days in Los Angeles. As we all know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have had my issues with the city. But when,

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<v Speaker 1>except when we take those issues away, then I have

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<v Speaker 1>no issues with it. But when I'm loving it, the

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<v Speaker 1>most recently is on those cloudy days, And I say

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<v Speaker 1>Finally I can be moody. I when I was living

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<v Speaker 1>in New York, of course, anytime it was cloudy, I

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<v Speaker 1>was on I needed a check in. I was on

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<v Speaker 1>a watch list. The clouds could break me. But here

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually a little bit sick of sun. And when

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<v Speaker 1>it is cloudy, I say, finally I can listen to slow,

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<v Speaker 1>sad music. Finally there's not pressure to go outside and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, do a CrossFit class every day. Here

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's saying, why aren't you having the most fun of

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<v Speaker 1>your entire life? And I say, because that's unsustainable. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>on a cloudy day, I can be just mean and

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<v Speaker 1>that is enough. Xoxo Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up? Breaks the losers? I want to give a

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to the book Amusing Ourselves to Death by

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<v Speaker 2>Neil Postman Publishing. I want to say nineteen eighty four. Now, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this very scary year, and it's only gotten scarier since then, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a book that has been recommended to

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<v Speaker 2>me many times, and it's about how television is bad.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about how television is like ruining a literas of

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<v Speaker 2>like a society that was based on text and reading,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's making everyone stupider, and there is something so

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<v Speaker 2>wonderfully nostalgic about remembering when that was the issue everyone

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<v Speaker 2>cared about, and now everyone is quite literally illiterate and

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<v Speaker 2>can only speak in sort of brunting noises. And so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you want to remember just like the

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<v Speaker 2>real sense of hope that we had in the Reagan eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>I really highly suggest picking up Amusing Ourselves to Death.

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<v Speaker 2>It really still holds up, and a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>arguments makes about television could also make about social media.

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<v Speaker 2>The book literally starts out with him being very dramatically

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<v Speaker 2>being like, as I'm writing this, a Hollywood actor is

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in the White House, and I was like, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>still true. So it's very short. It's a truly less

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<v Speaker 2>than two hundred pages. I'm sure there's an audiobook of it,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully it's read by Brown a chicken for I for Lucky,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I got to say, really is hitting the spot.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want to feel smart without honestly putting

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<v Speaker 2>out with there for them reading something, I highly recommend

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<v Speaker 2>that's huge.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes those types of books bump me out because they're

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<v Speaker 1>so because nothing has changed and actually worse. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also like it's fun to be like, how quaint

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're like, oh, but he was right.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he was fully right. It's it's funny to think

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<v Speaker 2>back to there's always some moral panic, and you like

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<v Speaker 2>want to reassure yourself by being like, well, there's always

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<v Speaker 2>been moral panics. There was one about television, there was

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<v Speaker 2>one about phones, and then it's like right, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were all right and things kept getting worse, So what now?

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<v Speaker 1>So what now?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Ali, whenever you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Ready, do I look into cam.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you can?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you feel comfortable looking?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? Hi? I want to make a shout out to

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<v Speaker 3>one of the craziest products I've ever took a chance on,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm so glad I did. I if I were

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<v Speaker 3>an influencer, this is the only thing I would try

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<v Speaker 3>and influence people on, and that is the two in

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<v Speaker 3>one hair care product from Trader Joe's five dollars. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a shampoo and conditioner, it's hydrating, it's the best product ever.

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<v Speaker 3>You can buy it anywhere any Trader Joe's five dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>And it sounds sketchy because obviously when you say two

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<v Speaker 3>in one, there's a lot of preconceived ideas about that

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<v Speaker 3>but I took a chance on it. A hairstylist recommended it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, it's five dollars. What do I

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<v Speaker 3>have to lose my hair? Maybe, but let's try it.

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<v Speaker 3>I tried it. It's never felt better. It's like a

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<v Speaker 3>blue bottle. It's grape fruitmentt. It smells good. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>too strong of a cent. But I leave it on.

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<v Speaker 3>I soak it in my wet hair. I rub it in,

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<v Speaker 3>I rub it in, I leave it in. I brush

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<v Speaker 3>it out in the shower. When I get out of

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<v Speaker 3>the shower, I put in just a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>leaving conditioner and then I use my Trusted which I

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<v Speaker 3>think is burning my hair. I don't recommend this, but

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<v Speaker 3>the dry bar, a little curling blow dryer two in

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<v Speaker 3>one to both two and one products. It might be

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<v Speaker 3>the way of the future. But I love it. I've

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<v Speaker 3>never I loved my hair more. I've no It's never

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<v Speaker 3>felt as good. And that's what I'm shouting out today.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa woah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's really powerful and about time we stopped

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<v Speaker 1>the stigma.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're not all the same, not all the same,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm not using it to white my butt in

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<v Speaker 3>the shower. It's for my head. Sure it works on

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<v Speaker 3>my head.

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<v Speaker 2>That is shocking to me, because I really, do you

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<v Speaker 2>think she's using it to white he butt. No, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just because I've literally I'm on record as saying

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<v Speaker 2>you have beautiful hair. The fact that it is because

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<v Speaker 2>of Trader Joe's two in one is really rocking my

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<v Speaker 2>world to night.

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<v Speaker 3>You know you, I would go try and get all

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<v Speaker 3>these fancy products, being like this is going to change

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<v Speaker 3>my life. It's a tiny bottle for sixty dollars. It

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<v Speaker 3>runs out so fast. I'm using the entire bottle just

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<v Speaker 3>in one shower, because why not. It's five dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. I want everyone to try it.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see the guys, girl of you to

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<v Speaker 2>be like, yeah, I just used Trader. It's good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good.

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<v Speaker 3>This is girls, girl, because the girls judge. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>need to convince a guy to get it to it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the girls who I have to convince. I I

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<v Speaker 3>beg them. I don't just try it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow wow, no one does.

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<v Speaker 3>No one tries it and it kills me. I'm devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody's gonna try it, I hope.

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<v Speaker 3>So just it's five dollars. If you hate it, throw

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<v Speaker 3>it away.

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<v Speaker 2>God Trader Joe's, you know it still hits after all

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<v Speaker 2>these years. Shout out to the Tamalis.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't know what to do in there.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in a strangers one time in my whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, yeah, no.

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<v Speaker 3>Once you got to get used to it, you gotta.

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<v Speaker 2>Get to know what it does well and what it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't do well. Don't buy produce.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't buy produce. But they're frozen to get the soup dumplings.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, the soup dumplings, rosen.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff anything sort of in the realm of like protein

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<v Speaker 2>bars and powder.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, and they always have a fun bread. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how they make them. I don't know what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're making them.

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<v Speaker 2>They're backstage, they're making the bread fresh morning bagel chabata,

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<v Speaker 2>like a oh everything bagel Trader Joe's. It's like they

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<v Speaker 2>are snorting lines of everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Ali, this has been a real delight. Thanks so

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<v Speaker 1>much for doing the podcast, for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>And please tell people we're trying to actually let people

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<v Speaker 2>promote themselves. Please tell people what you are up to

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<v Speaker 2>where they can find you where they can see you,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>You can go to Ali mukofsky dot com. I have

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<v Speaker 3>some tour dates coming up. You can see me do

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<v Speaker 3>a comedy on the road, maybe in a city near you.

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<v Speaker 3>You can go to my YouTube to check out Ali's

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<v Speaker 3>interview show. You can get in on the ground floor

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<v Speaker 3>of this. You can get it on the ground floor.

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<v Speaker 3>I only have two episodes out at this moment. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>starting to record more episodes. One of my guests is

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<v Speaker 3>Sam Vincente and then my other guests just to balance

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<v Speaker 3>very straight Dylan Francis. So there's one episode for everyone

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<v Speaker 3>at least right now. More to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cool, great, and you've got to introduce us to

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Vincent I would love to.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, bye podcast and now want more.

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<v Speaker 1>Stradio Lab is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money

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<v Speaker 2>Created and hosted by George Severis and Sam Taggart.

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<v Speaker 1>Theme music by Ben Kling.