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Speaker 4: We started this show and we said we wanted to
Speaker 4: interview legends, people that came before us, people that paved
Speaker 4: the way for us.
Speaker 1: I said this to everyone that was here earlier.
Speaker 4: I said, if I had an artist, I would put
Speaker 4: him through his school of being an MC. I watched
Speaker 4: this man rock a party like no one else could
Speaker 4: rock a party. I've watched this man. This, this, This
Speaker 4: is when we when you say an icon, you say
Speaker 4: a legend, you say a person that has been in
Speaker 4: this game, monkey footing, this motherfucker going through it and
Speaker 4: doing it and continue.
Speaker 1: To do it. He came late two minutes later to
Speaker 1: me that.
Speaker 4: No, it's not, but we have the privilege of interviewing
Speaker 4: and gotten young motherfucker. All right, Now, here's what's crazy.
Speaker 4: His what's crazy? When I think of you, I think
Speaker 4: of West Coast. But when you google you, yes, they.
Speaker 1: Say you're from Queens. Got some in Queens.
Speaker 5: Hollis into eleven or one on night, one on one,
Speaker 5: or ninth and two eleventh together. One ninth is here,
Speaker 5: two eleventh is here, Hollis is here.
Speaker 6: Okay, so it's really the coast of Queens Village because
Speaker 6: after Francis Lewis, it's it's Queens Village and then the
Speaker 6: other side of Hollis.
Speaker 1: But that's what's crazy.
Speaker 4: Is one of the one of one of my favorite
Speaker 4: moments in hip hop period was was was a record
Speaker 4: called All in the Same Game right where that West
Speaker 4: Coast unity.
Speaker 1: Recently I just seen Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 4: He had put the West Coast together on stage. Now
Speaker 4: his what's crazy about that? I'm such of a to
Speaker 4: these young guys, I'm such an old to them that
Speaker 4: I looked and I didn't know that that was actually rappers.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. So when I put it together, I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't see this since all in the same game.
Speaker 6: Well, the funny thing what Kendrick did on stage, and
Speaker 6: this is just me watching it and having a visceral reaction.
Speaker 6: It's the culmination of what we were trying to do
Speaker 6: with All in the same gang. Because he had different sets.
Speaker 5: He had made a big deal of saying, oh, you know,
Speaker 5: it's not it's more than records. Now, it's bigger than me.
Speaker 5: Now we have sets from.
Speaker 6: All over the place or whatever, because that was the
Speaker 6: goal because dude, I mean, dude's still dying, but dude
Speaker 6: was really dying at that point, and just to shine
Speaker 6: a light on it. And the funny thing was that
Speaker 6: the man that put it together my conception and put
Speaker 6: it together for him in.
Speaker 1: The same game. Yes, okay, Wheelchair. Now.
Speaker 6: The interesting thing about that, and I relate some of
Speaker 6: that to even even Shug's experience, is that you got
Speaker 6: people that are outside of the music business and they
Speaker 6: were able to you know, cultivate that into something really
Speaker 6: powerful inside of the music busins. I want to say
Speaker 6: it was Grand Jury records that Mike had, oh wow,
Speaker 6: and so we put out all in the same gang.
Speaker 1: But he did stuff after that as well, so.
Speaker 6: Circling back, including someone like me from the East Coast.
Speaker 6: I don't know a lot about the West Coast, not involved.
Speaker 5: In any gangs.
Speaker 6: But to get my perspective on a record like that
Speaker 6: shows some foresight, because I could easily see somebody putting
Speaker 6: something like that to get to sell here from out here,
Speaker 6: you don't nothing about out here. People know who he is,
Speaker 6: but why do we want to hear what he has
Speaker 6: to say? And I still got eight bars on the single.
Speaker 6: I got sixteen bars on the long I.
Speaker 1: Went.
Speaker 6: I've been touring a lot, you know, the whole time.
Speaker 6: My stage muscles are strong. So did you say stage
Speaker 6: stage like that? I was telling them people, how good
Speaker 6: your show is? Continue, Well, no, I mean no offense,
Speaker 6: no DJ, no heip man I open. So I have
Speaker 6: to literally just carry my tracks and just go and
Speaker 6: try and get the best show I can. But I
Speaker 6: had not done my same gang verse for years and
Speaker 6: years and years, and then I saw an artist do it,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, you know, an artist I was on
Speaker 6: the record do it, And I'm like, okay, I should
Speaker 6: get on, And I started doing it into my show,
Speaker 6: my longer shows. Now I got new music out, so
Speaker 6: it'll just be my thirty or whatever that I do
Speaker 6: that in. But for several years on this nineties two,
Speaker 6: I've been doing my all in the same gang verse
Speaker 6: and it just fits in, especially people having shorter attention spans.
Speaker 5: Whatever sixteen bars, there's a whole record to them, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Was Bus the Move had four.
Speaker 5: Sixteen's and all that other stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's just.
Speaker 6: As the years go by, I see the power of
Speaker 6: that record, and as the years go by, I'm more
Speaker 6: proud of.
Speaker 1: My involvement in it.
Speaker 6: It wasn't just a call and get on And to
Speaker 6: even go further, Me and Tone are the only two
Speaker 6: people that were in both the self destruction video and
Speaker 6: all in the same gang video.
Speaker 1: I did not notice that in the video.
Speaker 6: In the video, and well, here's the thing. We both
Speaker 6: had Multiplatinum Records, I remember they had. They had a
Speaker 6: short scene with us in there. Interesting interestingly enough, they
Speaker 6: wanted to put both They did put both of us
Speaker 6: behind a cell and had us saying the hook from
Speaker 6: behind the cell and then somebody from BACKSTD. Now we
Speaker 6: can't have them looking like that. So if there's a
Speaker 6: cut you've seen where I'm not in it or we're
Speaker 6: not in it, and maybe because.
Speaker 1: They took that out, because that so far was with
Speaker 1: just Dice, I think.
Speaker 5: I don't even know.
Speaker 6: I don't even But the interesting thing is this is
Speaker 6: a short period of time. I'm a New York kid,
Speaker 6: went out to l a come back, and all my
Speaker 6: heroes in the room.
Speaker 5: So I'm taking pictures. Dude, I'm literally in where.
Speaker 1: You should take the back then, please, I'm with you.
Speaker 5: We barely had CDs back while these were new on
Speaker 5: my phone.
Speaker 6: Exactly, So I'm there taking pictures like a fan, annoying
Speaker 6: people whatever.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 6: I come out for saying gang and I'm a peer.
Speaker 6: They're like, all right, well, you know where do we
Speaker 6: need young to be blah blah blah. Make sure his
Speaker 6: verse goes here, doctor dre producing me. It's a total
Speaker 6: different experience. So I culminate that by saying, if I
Speaker 6: stayed in New York, no offense in New York. But
Speaker 6: if I stayed in New York, you never would have
Speaker 6: heard of me.
Speaker 1: You never.
Speaker 5: I couldn't have wrote while thing there. I couldn't, but
Speaker 5: I want to.
Speaker 3: We started with this record, I want to stay on
Speaker 3: here in this second. Is there any awkwardness because think
Speaker 3: about the type of record it is. It's about LA culture,
Speaker 3: It's about actually territory in a sense, and MCS could
Speaker 3: be territorial. Was there any awkwardness you not being maybe
Speaker 3: from their perspective of the culture being on that record
Speaker 3: talking about the culture.
Speaker 6: Okay, pretty much everybody on that record, I'd played with.
Speaker 6: Every everybody on that record I'd shared a stage with,
Speaker 6: so even nw A, d OC.
Speaker 3: Cube.
Speaker 6: I mean I know Cube from nw A, I knew
Speaker 6: Pak from Digital, Like I'm knowing these people at the
Speaker 6: beginnings of their career and I'm at the beginning of mine.
Speaker 6: It just turned out at the time that when Bust
Speaker 6: to Move hit, I'm you know, I've got my penthouse
Speaker 6: in West Hollywood and I'm just there. I'm not coming,
Speaker 6: you know. But I always got respected for what I
Speaker 6: did on the mic. So to answer your question, when
Speaker 6: I came on, they wanted to see not only my perspective,
Speaker 6: but how I would do it, and that I wasn't
Speaker 6: just mailing it in. That it wasn't just like, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm young MC and I'm saying my name a bunch
Speaker 6: of times. I'm saying bust to move a bunch of times,
Speaker 6: and I'm showing how famous I am on this record.
Speaker 5: No, I saw brothers killing other brothers, because that's what I'm.
Speaker 1: Seeing everyone recording together, oh separately.
Speaker 5: See you ask the good questions. I show up to
Speaker 5: the studio and it's dre one other dude.
Speaker 1: They let me in the door. My man is looking
Speaker 1: behind me.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because there were dudes on that record.
Speaker 6: To your point what happened with Kendrick, there were dudes
Speaker 6: on that record that you didn't want in the same room.
Speaker 3: That's a territorial literally territorial.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even the video shoot.
Speaker 6: The part of the reason why the video shoot was
Speaker 6: cool is because Conception had security.
Speaker 1: All over wow.
Speaker 3: FOI.
Speaker 5: I don't know about Foy, but some of it was
Speaker 5: hood security.
Speaker 3: Remember they breed in another color. They didn't use blue
Speaker 3: and red in the in the video. These green and
Speaker 3: something else in yellow I think, or.
Speaker 5: Something probably because Yeah, dude, dudes get triggered by seeing colors.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I remember.
Speaker 1: I hate to even bring this up.
Speaker 6: I remember when I was younger, I was I was
Speaker 6: a woman I was seeing had talked me into wearing
Speaker 6: a red suit a red jumpsuit to one of my shows,
Speaker 6: and it was.
Speaker 1: At the concept what was thinking? She wasn't thinking, and
Speaker 1: I don't know any better.
Speaker 6: So I'm literally getting ready to do my show when
Speaker 6: some ship breaks out and dudes is standing in front
Speaker 6: of me so they don't see my suit before I
Speaker 6: go on stage. And then from that experience and other experiences,
Speaker 6: I'm like, Okay, you shouldn't wear this here, you shouldn't
Speaker 6: wear that there.
Speaker 5: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I'm literally I got.
Speaker 6: My my entrance to LA was on usc campus, So
Speaker 6: I'm only finding this out as I went. As I
Speaker 6: went on, having said that, I know that dudes have
Speaker 6: been looking out for me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: And I want to give them a shout out.
Speaker 1: Just just you know, just on just on GP.
Speaker 6: I've had a pretty good experience in this business, seeing
Speaker 6: all that I've seen and being around all the people
Speaker 6: that I've been around. But but like same gang, like
Speaker 6: I said, as the time goes on, I've really cherished
Speaker 6: that experience like that's.
Speaker 5: A once in a lifetime thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an incredible Yeah, it.
Speaker 4: Definitely what I want to tell you A funny story
Speaker 4: I consider him my friend Jamie Leftrack. Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 4: Jamie left Rack right, and I'm in his house and
Speaker 4: I didn't realize how rich he was until I got
Speaker 4: to his house, right, and then I realized.
Speaker 1: I said, this motherfucker is really rich, rich, rich, rich, right.
Speaker 1: But so he's telling me the whole time.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm gonna blow your mind out with these performances.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay. So he's like, you don't want
Speaker 4: me to tell you. I'm like, nah, I'm more of
Speaker 4: an organic guy. Just let me just go over there
Speaker 4: and let me just see it. I seen him when
Speaker 4: you got on stage sing every word for what. I
Speaker 4: was so impressed. And then he says to me, this
Speaker 4: is my high school. I had a couple of drinks.
Speaker 4: I thought he said he went to high school with you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've been running around saying, Jamie that record
Speaker 1: you see went the school together, mother fuckers. What he
Speaker 1: was saying was he was saying, this is my high school,
Speaker 1: this experience, this is my whole experience.
Speaker 4: And I thought that that was so dope for me
Speaker 4: to see a person of that caliber fan out. And
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you who else was fanning out. I
Speaker 4: don't know if you've seen it. You said high to him?
Speaker 1: Was DJ Collin? DJ College? When you got on stage,
Speaker 1: I was mad that DJ Collin knew just as much
Speaker 1: as words I knew. I was like, man, you better
Speaker 1: stop it.
Speaker 4: But do you understand that these kids nowadays, records go away.
Speaker 4: It's a disposable and you have a record that's.
Speaker 1: Thirty over, thirty years, thirty five year, thirty five years.
Speaker 4: To me, I just watched you that day, and I've
Speaker 4: been a couple of year shows, you know, I snuck
Speaker 4: in a couple of times, and I just see that,
Speaker 4: And that's what that's. If I was listening to young artists,
Speaker 4: was to come up to me right now, I would say,
Speaker 4: this is this is who you should follow, This is
Speaker 4: how it should be. Because but then you got these
Speaker 4: people who got records right now, it just go away.
Speaker 1: When you hear records like that that just go away,
Speaker 1: what do you think.
Speaker 5: It's the industry?
Speaker 6: I mean it went from a physical product like you
Speaker 6: have where you see a picture and you see liner
Speaker 6: notes and you see all these things that it's it's
Speaker 6: something that you own of the artist, to streaming and
Speaker 6: downloads and it's.
Speaker 1: Air you just connected, right, So what is it? What
Speaker 1: is the artist?
Speaker 5: What is the fan commitment or what is the listener's
Speaker 5: commitment to the artists?
Speaker 1: Today? Right?
Speaker 5: Two minutes so you can get the stream.
Speaker 6: Money but minute and a half and they listen to
Speaker 6: what seventy eighty one hundred songs a day? So how
Speaker 6: do you expect them to commit to you enough to say, Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna come out to a show. Then the real
Speaker 6: money's in the shows, and then you got But the
Speaker 6: shows aren't necessarily as important to the labels unless they
Speaker 6: have a three to sixty deal, So you got the
Speaker 6: artist for whatever reason not putting the emphasis on show
Speaker 6: performance as they should, because the record's become disposable. Who
Speaker 6: gets it on it? Who did the track? Where's the
Speaker 6: sample from? It's like for me, I'm looking at like
Speaker 6: every record I make, if it's the last, if it's
Speaker 6: the last song I ever make.
Speaker 5: I wanted to be the best song I ever make.
Speaker 6: Every show that I do, for the most part, every
Speaker 6: show that I do, especially publicly, I want it to
Speaker 6: be the best, the best show that I can physically do,
Speaker 6: because I don't want somebody seeing it saying, oh you
Speaker 6: know what I mean, this is this is my analogy.
Speaker 3: Is this.
Speaker 6: I got new music out, so I'm a fifty seven
Speaker 6: year old rapper. That's what the song I now is
Speaker 6: called loose fun pause following behind it. But I'm a
Speaker 6: fifty seven year old rapper. I equate that to driving
Speaker 6: on the highway and you getting some traffic and you
Speaker 6: see that there's an accident on the side of the
Speaker 6: road and people are slowing down. It's slowing down to
Speaker 6: look over see if they see a leg sticking out.
Speaker 6: That's how they look at a fifty seven year old
Speaker 6: rapper's career, because I would look at it like that,
Speaker 6: like what is he doing making records like that? But
Speaker 6: I've been on stage so much that I love it.
Speaker 6: I mean, I love it the idea. It's the first
Speaker 6: time I've made music with the stage in mind. Like,
Speaker 6: how is this going to translate to.
Speaker 7: The correct I mean, you made the record for the stage? Absolutely, okay,
Speaker 7: that's deep. Absolutely.
Speaker 6: Usually you make the record saying, oh, well, what i'll
Speaker 6: it do for radio? And what's the genre and is
Speaker 6: it you know, just all those things, and you got
Speaker 6: to worry about the short attention span. So the set
Speaker 6: that I did probably is a twenty minute set, and
Speaker 6: I probably had eight songs in it, you know the
Speaker 6: one that you saw because it went from three verses
Speaker 6: to two verses on some to one verse on some records. Well,
Speaker 6: I'm just a bang bang bang bang bang, so that
Speaker 6: if there's a record you don't like, just wait a minute.
Speaker 6: It'll be like Miami Weather, just wait a minute.
Speaker 1: It'll know.
Speaker 5: That'll change something, that changes something that you like.
Speaker 6: So I went into making these new songs with that
Speaker 6: in mind, like, Okay, you know three sixteens are out,
Speaker 6: so let's go sixteen twelve. Eight, Let's go sixteen, you know,
Speaker 6: sixteen twelve, and then repeat something from the first verse
Speaker 6: just to reinforce things. But also then I know I
Speaker 6: can do the whole record on stage, as opposed to saying, Okay,
Speaker 6: what verse am I going to cut out.
Speaker 1: To do this on stage?
Speaker 6: So yeah, man, I mean that if I was in
Speaker 6: any other business, i'd be behind a desk, CEO or
Speaker 6: see something. Oh, knowing so much in my experience and
Speaker 6: all that, in this business, they want to dispose of
Speaker 6: you in your late thirties, to be honest, So I'm
Speaker 6: just looking at it, you know, in a different way.
Speaker 7: Approaching it, but his was all about your show. Like
Speaker 7: I said, I've been to others.
Speaker 4: I have a limo when it comes to me doing music,
Speaker 4: Like my DJ literally has to go and we'll look
Speaker 4: at the crowd, right and my DJ has to say, Okay,
Speaker 4: we're gonna be Latino tonight. Oh we're gonna be you know,
Speaker 4: we're gonna be hard call. He has to look at
Speaker 4: the crowd. You are one of them artists that I
Speaker 4: don't think you have to do that at all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, not from the stage. I try and do
Speaker 6: my do my homework before I get on stage. But
Speaker 6: I have a little player that I that I use that.
Speaker 5: And it's a it.
Speaker 6: It literally has about thirty to forty different show versions
Speaker 6: and links in there. Oh so so literally I can
Speaker 6: look and say, Okay, this is more of a dance crowd.
Speaker 6: This is more of a you know, not even an
Speaker 6: urban crowd. But you know, I'll do more mid tempos
Speaker 6: and these are people that are more in this kind
Speaker 6: of thing, and I'll have a set and a set
Speaker 6: link that will appeal to Now man.
Speaker 1: That's professional. Yeah, so well, season the stage hurt, dude.
Speaker 6: This this nineties tour I've been on this nineties tour
Speaker 6: since twenty fifteen, and we're probably you know, even even
Speaker 6: with COVID, we're talking between four and five hundred shows.
Speaker 6: Twenty sixteen, I did one hundred and like one hundred
Speaker 6: and ten shows myself. Julio God Wrestling did like one
Speaker 6: point fifty in a year because they were going Thursday,
Speaker 6: Thursday to Sunday every week, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So I would do three three days a week and
Speaker 6: four days a week sometimes, but I was still was
Speaker 6: well over one hundred for that year. So in doing that,
Speaker 6: I started on I started with CDs.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah.
Speaker 6: Then somebody put the CD player close to too close
Speaker 6: to the speakers. It shit started jumping and got to
Speaker 6: find something. I find my digital player and just if
Speaker 6: I can do it, I went in the studio, massed
Speaker 6: all the shows, did all the show links, put them in,
Speaker 6: name them so literally I know, Okay, how much are
Speaker 6: we doing tonight?
Speaker 5: What's the crowd like?
Speaker 6: Blah blah blah, and picked the show and go and
Speaker 6: that way I know what I'm doing. I literally have
Speaker 6: this thing where when I'm driving to the airport, I
Speaker 6: rehearsed the show that I'm doing that night. I've done
Speaker 6: Busting New thousands of times, still going to rehearse it
Speaker 6: on the way to the airport, you know, just to
Speaker 6: have it in my short term memory.
Speaker 5: But when I get on stage in.
Speaker 7: The time, and it's crazy because for some reason, it's
Speaker 7: like bust to Move is like it's like a white
Speaker 7: boy anthem too, like the white people love that shit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I guess, I mean, I just I
Speaker 6: just saw it in a in a prescription drug commercial
Speaker 6: the other day. Really yeah, my boy has sent me
Speaker 6: a video of it, and I was like, okay, I
Speaker 6: mean I think it was like for an eye, it
Speaker 6: was literally like irritable bowel syndrome drug like bust to Move.
Speaker 3: No, no, you got that.
Speaker 1: Place.
Speaker 6: But the funny thing is if you know what pharmaceutical
Speaker 6: companies go through in terms of what they picked so
Speaker 6: that it doesn't affect their brand. You know, I'm not
Speaker 6: even thinking about my brand as much as like to
Speaker 6: get to that point. You know, with all the all
Speaker 6: the places that the records men, I can tell you
Speaker 6: stories about different people that have said it and used
Speaker 6: it and stories that I've seen and all that just
Speaker 6: adds to it as opposed to you know, one placement
Speaker 6: being a representation of everything I do.
Speaker 3: So please tell me that all your business was correct
Speaker 3: when you created that record, so that the publishing that
Speaker 3: you've that's been generated as yours.
Speaker 1: Listen in a moment that that was. That was the
Speaker 1: number one question.
Speaker 3: Okay, plus the records that you've written. But let's just
Speaker 3: stick move right now.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 6: Literally, when I wrote Bust to Move, my original record
Speaker 6: deal gave away my publishing.
Speaker 5: So but I knew this, right, I knew this. Well,
Speaker 5: hold on, I knew this as I.
Speaker 6: Was making the record, So you didn't have you published.
Speaker 6: I knew I didn't have that. I mean, that's just
Speaker 6: what it was, you know what I mean. You signed,
Speaker 6: You signed a deal that the people knew, a deal
Speaker 6: you were saying, right, right. But I'm learning more as
Speaker 6: time goes on. So Bust to Move was the last
Speaker 6: record I make. So I write Bust to Move, and
Speaker 6: I read it to the label owners over the phone
Speaker 6: and they say they like it. And they said, good, Well,
Speaker 6: I'm going to sell it to this person over at
Speaker 6: RCA unless you give me by publishing on this in
Speaker 6: the next two or two records I got published on
Speaker 6: the first three singles.
Speaker 1: Just for doing that.
Speaker 6: So and it's and I'm in college at the time.
Speaker 6: I'm doing this from a dorm room, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean. But I looked at it like, this is mine.
Speaker 6: I knew what it was going to be. And and
Speaker 6: and at that point Tones Records had come out, or
Speaker 6: at least wild Thing had come out, and obviously I
Speaker 6: didn't have publishing on that.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm here wild I wrote, let's let's we
Speaker 1: got we got plenty of time. We gotta talk to
Speaker 1: these things through. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Everything intertwined so it seems like I'm all over the place.
Speaker 1: No worry, Okay, So hold up a drink, because that's
Speaker 1: because when if it rolls up if and has that
Speaker 1: kid on that tone, and I'm like, why do you
Speaker 1: have tone?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: I didn't know?
Speaker 7: He goes you didn't know, and I go no, He
Speaker 7: goes here he wrote, well, all right, so you gotta
Speaker 7: bring it down please, thank you. Tone was a delicious
Speaker 7: with me.
Speaker 1: I had made. I think I had made Principles.
Speaker 6: Office already, and ironically that was supposed to be my
Speaker 6: first single, and I'm glad. I'm glad that it wasn't.
Speaker 6: But they gave Tone the track to wild Thing, and
Speaker 6: they had him write some stuff and they didn't feel
Speaker 6: it was you know, it was a little too raunchy
Speaker 6: for what they wanted to do, especially with a rock
Speaker 6: track China, you know, cross.
Speaker 1: Off on radio.
Speaker 6: So they come to me and I am like, full
Speaker 6: on New York MC, like nobody writes for anybody else.
Speaker 5: What are you talking about?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 5: And especially because I've seen wild Thing blow up, I'm like,
Speaker 5: when am I coming out?
Speaker 1: What am I gonna? You know what I mean? Or
Speaker 1: rather no, because this is really in the.
Speaker 5: Writing of wild Thing, I just felt that I was
Speaker 5: waiting a long time.
Speaker 1: Had you already written and recording? No move Bus The
Speaker 1: move was written.
Speaker 6: And recorded after wand Thing and Funky Comadina were not
Speaker 6: only made, but it come out. So that's why I'm
Speaker 6: confusing a little bit. But basically, I'm like, why am
Speaker 6: I waiting so long? I get signed in eighty seven,
Speaker 6: my record doesn't drop, you know til almost two years later.
Speaker 6: Now you're you're at me, you know, in eighty eight,
Speaker 6: know how barely come out? They just got on Island
Speaker 6: and they want me to They want me to.
Speaker 1: Write for Tone and this is delicious. Vinyl is yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a delicious vinyl.
Speaker 6: So I say, okay, I said, fine, give me half hour,
Speaker 6: I'll give you a record. Literally talk to him on
Speaker 6: the phone. Thirty five minutes later. I gave him four verses,
Speaker 6: and three of the verses are verbatim and wild Thing.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: Now, me and Tone have always been cool, but at
Speaker 6: the time, the label of told Tone that they had
Speaker 6: wrote it right because they felt that he wouldn't take
Speaker 6: it if he knew that I was.
Speaker 1: Label said they wrote it like literally the guys that
Speaker 1: are on the label. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they said that.
Speaker 1: Now mind you.
Speaker 6: I mean yeah yeah, I mean the liner notes all
Speaker 6: that doesn't out, so he can't tell him. See, So
Speaker 6: we spoken and he, you know, found out that I
Speaker 6: did it. He was cool with it, and once again,
Speaker 6: it's years are going on. We see how incredible that
Speaker 6: relationship is and what we mean to each other's lives.
Speaker 6: Because he credits me, obviously for writing some of his
Speaker 6: biggest hits, but I credit him for showing me the blueprint.
Speaker 6: Because if Buster Move is coming out and there's no
Speaker 6: Wild Thing and no Funky Comadina, I don't know what.
Speaker 3: The ceiling is, right, because those are huge records.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get to be at that point. I'm like
Speaker 1: going in circles.
Speaker 6: When me and Tone whin wild Thing was finished, we
Speaker 6: hoped they would sell fifty two, one hundred thousand records.
Speaker 6: He's like he wanted to buy a car, and I
Speaker 6: wanted to pay off my student loans. That was That
Speaker 6: was literally the conversation that we have goal Yeah, four million.
Speaker 5: One million, saving I'm mind you four million singles, to
Speaker 5: the point where the labels like, h maybe we should
Speaker 5: stop pressing singles, maybe we should start pressing out album.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: The only thing that could even come closer it was
Speaker 6: We're the World. That was the only thing that was
Speaker 6: that was close to it. So that's that's wild Thing.
Speaker 6: Buster and Move stayed on the Billboard two hundred charts
Speaker 6: for forty weeks. Forty weeks outlasted my second single, outlasted
Speaker 6: my third single.
Speaker 5: It's it's like when you have success like that.
Speaker 6: I would not trade that period from mid eighty eight
Speaker 6: to mid ninety I would not trade that period for
Speaker 6: anybody else in the world in terms of the experience
Speaker 6: of what the impact we had on hip hop, the
Speaker 6: music business.
Speaker 5: You know, my Grammy was.
Speaker 6: The first televised Grammy. All of that stuff happening in
Speaker 6: that period of time. It's like, dude, I can't be
Speaker 6: mad or bitter about anything. Havn't experienced that. And when
Speaker 6: me and Tone get together and we talk is great,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 5: And on that note, I'm gonna lead the conversations a
Speaker 5: little bit.
Speaker 6: I got a shout out Kyle Eustace because Kyle is
Speaker 6: a writer that knows that fing really well and helped
Speaker 6: make this happen. But she did an interview with me
Speaker 6: and Tone where some of the stuff started coming out
Speaker 6: and she gets stuff all online and it was just
Speaker 6: it just really made it really opened my eyes because
Speaker 6: how I just throw the names around. These are my friends,
Speaker 6: these are my life experiences. But other people react because people,
Speaker 6: you know, people are legends. I don't consider myself a legend,
Speaker 6: but of people are you know that I've been around
Speaker 6: the legends. One last thing i'mnna blow your mind. Guess
Speaker 6: who my first DJ was? Battle Cat? Oh shit, battle
Speaker 6: Cat battle Cat Yeah, the battle Cat.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: He was out with me and then we couldn't find him.
Speaker 6: And and when I heard I've not discussed this with him,
Speaker 6: but when I heard, he got locked up, but it
Speaker 6: was something something we got jammed up in and three
Speaker 6: weeks went by and I had to hire somebody else,
Speaker 6: So hied I want to say at that time, Julio
Speaker 6: G another mixed master, right, God the mixed master is
Speaker 6: when when we were coming out in Delicious, m Walk
Speaker 6: who was a mixed master. That's tones DJ to this day.
Speaker 6: And then Tony G, who was like the godfather all
Speaker 6: of them. He was the DJ for the majority of
Speaker 6: the time, you know what I mean. So and when
Speaker 6: Tony and when Tony G it was too much on
Speaker 6: the road for Tony G. So we literally had an audition.
Speaker 6: My man Eric you know, won the audition. He was
Speaker 6: my DJ till I stopp having DJs, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean. But it goes back to that much. If
Speaker 6: you saw the shirt that I was wearing in here,
Speaker 6: it's it's the little bird record player, like that's how
Speaker 6: I look at my old school. It comes from the vinyl.
Speaker 6: For me, it comes from That's the essence. It doesn't
Speaker 6: come from instruments as much as it comes from I mean,
Speaker 6: he I want to say he was a mixed master.
Speaker 6: So if I'm going to KD you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: they literally had a statement. Yeah, a stable of the
Speaker 6: best DJs and the best known DJs in l A.
Speaker 6: And for a lot of these cats, it's the first
Speaker 6: time to really get out and travel, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, with all the places we're going.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, who is that on your shirt? Okay?
Speaker 5: This is an AI representation of me on stage? No, no, no,
Speaker 5: this one is this go Teresa.
Speaker 6: This is my AI character. I know you guys have discussed.
Speaker 6: So it's an AI character. It's like she's like the
Speaker 6: label mascot. She's on all my new records. So I'll
Speaker 6: picture like this, you got you d Okay, if you
Speaker 6: look at a label tag or a producer tag, you
Speaker 6: knows me well you know, uh yeah, okay, maybe that
Speaker 6: music me, especially during COVID have a lot of downtime.
Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, if you took this first thing, I
Speaker 6: didn't even know, like the Mayback music was actually a
Speaker 6: person I thought it was a you know, voice program
Speaker 6: like series. Yeah, So I said, okay, if you took
Speaker 6: that and you fully animated it where it was literally
Speaker 6: an element in.
Speaker 5: The track that could answer you what would that be like?
Speaker 6: So I created it on the audio side, and then
Speaker 6: we got a video that's pretty much all AI for
Speaker 6: loose that that creates it on the video side, and
Speaker 6: I literally, as the singles go on, I'm having an
Speaker 6: AI character kind.
Speaker 1: Of like like cod with me on the records.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, when you hear it as Zoe and I
Speaker 5: won't even lie like that.
Speaker 6: That's the thing that's motivated me to make records at
Speaker 6: this age because I could be like whatever, especially if
Speaker 6: you're doing the same thing over and over again. If
Speaker 6: I want to get through through sixteens, I'm like, I
Speaker 6: got to do something that's interesting.
Speaker 5: So for me, that's interesting. Disco theory districts all that.
Speaker 4: We had will I am on here and he was
Speaker 4: describing this AI ship and then he had his AI
Speaker 4: turned British on us.
Speaker 1: It was spooky.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: For me, I just wanted I'm very rudimentary, just I
Speaker 6: don't want it to imitate anybody. I don't want it
Speaker 6: to be anybody. I wanted to be an element in
Speaker 6: my music. That's all I wanted. That's that's all I
Speaker 6: wanted to be.
Speaker 1: So it's an old school artists. You're accepting AI.
Speaker 4: That is you're saying yeah, because a lot of people
Speaker 4: don't except like, especially what's going on right now, you
Speaker 4: know Drake.
Speaker 3: Actually it depends on how you accept it, and then
Speaker 3: you expect you don't want AI to start just generating music.
Speaker 1: In South Art, I had people come to me like, yo, yo,
Speaker 1: make a hundred songs a day. You want to make
Speaker 1: a song?
Speaker 6: I'm like, no, well, you know I'm using it for
Speaker 6: a specific purpose, for a specific reason.
Speaker 5: No, you know in ways that someone hasn't used it before.
Speaker 6: But all that stuff would imitating voices and and and
Speaker 6: without the estate's permission online, I'm not with that, and
Speaker 6: that's not something I would I would use it for.
Speaker 6: I use the technology in my mind to make the
Speaker 6: music better. And it's kind of interesting because I'm One
Speaker 6: of my weird quirks that I have is that when
Speaker 6: we were working on twenty four track tape, I literally
Speaker 6: can have all the tracks memorized and know that we
Speaker 6: had enough or didn't have enough before we even laid
Speaker 6: a single beat down. So now I'm thinking in three
Speaker 6: dimensions when I'm making a record, like, Okay, if I
Speaker 6: leave a space here, I can have the A I
Speaker 6: say this if I leave a space there, or if
Speaker 6: I could have the AI say this, and lead me
Speaker 6: blah blah blah. So being able to think it's kind
Speaker 6: of spurred me on in terms of how I'm writing.
Speaker 1: So it's like being in a group and the AI
Speaker 1: kind of kind of but but but it's not.
Speaker 6: It's funny I got when I put the record out,
Speaker 6: I got a comment online like, oh, you signed disco Teresa.
Speaker 6: What other artists you're gonna sign. I'm like, she's not
Speaker 6: an artist.
Speaker 5: She's not even a she's not even a she.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's just like, it's just it's.
Speaker 6: An it, it's an It's an element that I wanted
Speaker 6: to put in music. Like I said, like, I haven't
Speaker 6: seen people use before, but I still want to have
Speaker 6: my artistry be the forefront of all of it.
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you because my engineer peeped it
Speaker 4: when I walked in. When I walked in and I
Speaker 4: was telling everybody, and I was like, yo, I bet
Speaker 4: he has a different version of Tupac.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because one of the things that I love is people.
Speaker 4: That met Pak prior to him going to death role
Speaker 4: because I mean me being I know Geminis.
Speaker 1: Jesus relax, but I know Gemini.
Speaker 4: What I'm trying to say, is like it's two different people, right,
Speaker 4: but you h you W. I like to say, probably
Speaker 4: know the original version of pac.
Speaker 6: I knew Park as a member of Digital Okay, and
Speaker 6: and if you don't mind, I'm gonna take.
Speaker 1: You on a little trip. We got off We got
Speaker 1: off board and passed, let's go.
Speaker 6: This goes to something to one of the main reasons
Speaker 6: I don't drink today. Okay, when I was when I
Speaker 6: was a kid eleven, I'm twelve years old, I had
Speaker 6: a liver disorder, went to the hospital, lost a bunch
Speaker 6: of weight. They told me not to drink in my teens.
Speaker 6: So by the time I was able to drink in
Speaker 6: my early twenties, I drank a little bit. Didn't like
Speaker 6: the feeling of not being in control of my body
Speaker 6: and just where my mind was, so I stayed away
Speaker 6: from it. So years went by, and normally, if I
Speaker 6: was in a situation and I was offered a drink,
Speaker 6: I just wouldn't take it. Then one time I was
Speaker 6: in a circle where I just couldn't turn it down.
Speaker 6: Bottle was being passed and I think this is the
Speaker 6: only time in my life that I've taken a bottle
Speaker 6: from somebody. Gentlemen passed a bottle to me and said,
Speaker 6: we're gonna toast this person, right, and it's the same person,
Speaker 6: by the way that I saw due to all in
Speaker 6: the same gang verse. So I take the drink and
Speaker 6: it's Hennessy something sweet, so it may maybe Hennessy, but
Speaker 6: there's a bottle passed.
Speaker 4: Run claiming on Hendessy. Now alcohol period, we continue.
Speaker 6: The person who passed me the bottle was Shocked G.
Speaker 6: The person that I was toasting was Tupac. And that's
Speaker 6: probably twenty years ago. And that's the last drink that
Speaker 6: I've taken.
Speaker 1: So your last drink you ever had is with shock
Speaker 1: G and Tupac. That's kind of drink, proper drink.
Speaker 5: But that's what I'm saying. It's like it's a personal choice.
Speaker 6: First it was health, then a personal choice, and now
Speaker 6: I'm not going to start drinking now. If you know
Speaker 6: I put it in that perspective, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: And these and once again my heart hurts. Man knowing Tupac.
Speaker 5: I knew Tupac as a member of Digital so so
Speaker 5: you know Eli and money B and you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 1: I knew him as a member there.
Speaker 6: He had told an interesting story and and because Tupac
Speaker 6: would after his passing, you know, they would come back
Speaker 6: to me. I was performing a new a newer record
Speaker 6: at an elementary school and some kids had come up
Speaker 6: to me and they said, we saw Tupac and and
Speaker 6: we asked him about this new fast style of rhyming
Speaker 6: that we're hearing.
Speaker 1: All over the radio. And he said, it's cool. I
Speaker 1: like these artists.
Speaker 6: I like, you know those people, but you know, young
Speaker 6: MC created that' stuf and these and these are little
Speaker 6: kids coming and telling me this. So I was like, wow, man,
Speaker 6: it's like I didn't know because I wasn't terribly close
Speaker 6: to him. We didn't hang out, but I would see
Speaker 6: him at the shows like you know, like I like
Speaker 6: i'd see other people. He was always cool. It was
Speaker 6: always cool, but.
Speaker 5: You knew that there was something there when when when
Speaker 5: he could break free Shock. Shock was a was a
Speaker 5: great guy. Artistically, he was dominating.
Speaker 6: So there was a lot that other other artists in
Speaker 6: digital you know, may have wanted to do, but the
Speaker 6: vision of Shock kind of.
Speaker 1: Controlled digital and it was very successful.
Speaker 6: So when Tupac went and did his thing, I was like, Yo,
Speaker 6: that I've never been in a group, but I can
Speaker 6: only imagine having stuff in me that I can't get
Speaker 6: out in his group that I can get out.
Speaker 1: On my own.
Speaker 6: So my whole vision of Tupac was his ability to
Speaker 6: express himself, you know, musically, politically, all those things you know,
Speaker 6: and and then and to see that you know, come
Speaker 6: to fruition.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, from some of that, I knew that there was.
Speaker 1: In a group.
Speaker 3: Did you guys interact after he broke free from digital?
Speaker 3: And like, how were those interactions?
Speaker 5: I mean when I saw him with when I saw
Speaker 5: him it was cool.
Speaker 6: I think I seen him with with Sugar a couple
Speaker 6: of times, and it was it was always cool, it
Speaker 6: was always loved. I'm like Switzerland, dude, I just you see, yes,
Speaker 6: you don got no drama, well no drama. And also
Speaker 6: my aggression is on the mic, so like anybody can
Speaker 6: say whatever they want about me, but they'll never at
Speaker 6: least honestly question what I do on the microphone, even
Speaker 6: in my fifties. So like that's always been my approach.
Speaker 6: I could have done something else. I have a college degree.
Speaker 6: I easily could have done something else. But I not
Speaker 6: only I love for this, but I know I'm good
Speaker 6: at this. So one of the big things when I
Speaker 6: first came out to LA, there were other guys that
Speaker 6: came from New York and they get up on stage.
Speaker 6: Yeah new York, this's New York down and thinking these
Speaker 6: people are paying these people, you know, they want to
Speaker 6: big up their own plate. This is before LA hip
Speaker 6: hop got really big. This is in the you know
Speaker 6: Toddy te iced tea batter Ram.
Speaker 4: This when people go on stage and stays Booklyn in
Speaker 4: the house and everybody go crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so this is this is eighty seven.
Speaker 6: And my thing was these people accepted me, so I'm
Speaker 6: not going to go up here and say what my neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: I'm not in my neighborhood right now. I'm in LA.
Speaker 6: So part of the reason I think I got accepted
Speaker 6: for you know, being being part of all in the
Speaker 6: same gang, because they knew that I that if I
Speaker 6: was going to claim anywhere, I was going to claim LA,
Speaker 6: right you know what I mean, even if I wasn't
Speaker 6: in the streets and wasn't doing any thug shit or whatever.
Speaker 6: I would you know if you said, just like you thought,
Speaker 6: I'm West Coast artists people, I never get up and say, yo,
Speaker 6: I'm from the East Coast.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'll tell people what my background is, but
Speaker 6: I'm not. I'm not going to bang the table and
Speaker 6: disrespect the place that that's basically, you know, created my career.
Speaker 6: If like, once again, if I stayed in New York,
Speaker 6: you never would have heard of me, just wouldn't. Now
Speaker 6: you know how New York is all to do. I
Speaker 6: would do block parties and I try and break into
Speaker 6: a new new cadence and like, no, you don't rhyme
Speaker 6: like that, You're gonna run.
Speaker 2: Just like this.
Speaker 6: It's like, come on, man, and I'm coming up at
Speaker 6: a time where you literally have all of hip hop.
Speaker 6: If you take a subway map and just extend the
Speaker 6: right side out to Long Island, every artist you know
Speaker 6: is on that subway map.
Speaker 3: That's how was there anybody on on Self Destruction that
Speaker 3: wasn't from New York?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No or from the tri Stated area.
Speaker 5: If they were, they didn't claim it.
Speaker 1: But on on on same gang you and Deaf Jeff
Speaker 1: that I could think of, Yeah, yeah, Deaf jefs in
Speaker 1: New York. Yeah, because he's not Yeah, he wasn't from
Speaker 1: La yeah, really, Yeah, I didn't keep that in youhood.
Speaker 6: But that but see that, to me, that's the brilliance
Speaker 6: of conception that he was like, I want everybody on that.
Speaker 6: I want all these you know, all these viewpoints so
Speaker 6: that anybody who's listening who isn't familiar can have something
Speaker 6: to hold on to or something that they can identify
Speaker 6: with in terms of a path of looking at it.
Speaker 6: So I'm I'm in front of the you know, most
Speaker 6: lily white crowds in the last you know, a couple
Speaker 6: of years doing same gang, and I gotta do same gang,
Speaker 6: and there'll be some places and people pull me to
Speaker 6: the side. You I'm glad you did that verse. We
Speaker 6: don't hear that that you know that you know that
Speaker 6: record too often.
Speaker 3: So it's like, yeah, and I was gonna say, did
Speaker 3: you ever feel because it seemed like the era that
Speaker 3: you're coming out in this is kind of like the
Speaker 3: beginning of what's some people might say is the Golden
Speaker 3: Era late eighties going into the nineties, right.
Speaker 1: I would say most people will say that, some people
Speaker 1: put it more into the nineties.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna stop both for you right there, looking offense,
Speaker 6: have no problem the Golden era. What considers what someone
Speaker 6: considers a golden era depends on where they're from. True,
Speaker 6: if you're in New York, your Golden Ever starts earlier.
Speaker 6: If you're in the West, it starts a little later.
Speaker 6: If you're in the South, it saus even later than that.
Speaker 1: I'm in the South. Damn, I'm in the South.
Speaker 5: But it can't be in the South saying that your
Speaker 5: Golden Ever started in eighty five.
Speaker 1: You can't. No, no, no, not mine from me, No no, no,
Speaker 1: not you personal.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying a person in the South is not
Speaker 6: going to say that that Golden Ever started in eighty
Speaker 6: five eighty six. Whereas if you're in New York and
Speaker 6: run DMC is out, that could be part of your
Speaker 6: Golden Night.
Speaker 4: That's part of your Golden ere. If you're from the South,
Speaker 4: its body starts.
Speaker 3: With Uncle Luke, right or I mean, I don't think
Speaker 3: it should be region. I think if you're talking about
Speaker 3: the consensus of hip hop, a lot of people put
Speaker 3: it like eighty eight to like ninety three, ninety four
Speaker 3: or something like that. Happen, yes, but it's.
Speaker 1: Influenced by regions.
Speaker 6: So you go earlier than eighty eight from East coast,
Speaker 6: you go later than ninety three from the south and
Speaker 6: from the west.
Speaker 5: That's my point is that.
Speaker 6: People throw around this term Golden Era, and that is
Speaker 6: a regional I honestly think that's a regional distinction. That's
Speaker 6: not something you can say all of him because all
Speaker 6: of hip hop. Hip hop has been regional. It's becoming
Speaker 6: less regional now, but during then, no Internet, it was,
Speaker 6: it was regional. Well, it depends because you could have
Speaker 6: been only.
Speaker 3: Looking at hip hop through the scope of what you got,
Speaker 3: which mainly was coming out of.
Speaker 1: New York at right.
Speaker 6: So so a regional artist outside of New York is
Speaker 6: not going to say, oh, you know, when Eric be
Speaker 6: as president came out that I considered that the Golden era.
Speaker 6: You know what Eric be as president influenced in that region,
Speaker 6: that's where the Golden Era starts.
Speaker 5: That's that's that's that's what I think.
Speaker 1: Great point, that's that's what that's is. I think it
Speaker 1: could be debatable. I think it could be debatable, but
Speaker 1: I can see where you can't understand where you can.
Speaker 3: But my point being is that and again this might
Speaker 3: be debatable as well because I'm young at the time,
Speaker 3: but the perspective was that hard hip hop heads looked
Speaker 3: at anybody that went commercially, you know, on the radio
Speaker 3: as like selling out the Hammer thing. Did you get
Speaker 3: any of that bass that Hammer got?
Speaker 1: I got some of it.
Speaker 6: And and and to even go before Tone came before me,
Speaker 6: And I remember people saying that Tone sounded like a
Speaker 6: broke rock hymn.
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 6: And this is before, this is before, and that's my man, dude,
Speaker 6: that's like but he's like blood to me. So I'm
Speaker 6: hearing that only but this is before he sells four
Speaker 6: million records and.
Speaker 1: It wasn't broke out that four million.
Speaker 5: Not only that, but I was saying people usually people
Speaker 5: that talk shit ain't done shit.
Speaker 1: I want to make some lawyers for that, saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So a lot of this stuff I would hear
Speaker 5: wouldn't be coming from artists like I could.
Speaker 6: They could be an artist whose music I don't like.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to say something to disrespect him, because
Speaker 6: I know the struggle. So seeing someone sell as many
Speaker 6: records as Tone did, and seeing you know what what
Speaker 6: other artists from other reads when when records were coming
Speaker 6: up after mine, I wasn't hating on the saying it
Speaker 6: wasn't me, I'm like, good for hip hop. The day
Speaker 6: after I want my grammy. I wake up in the morning,
Speaker 6: I gotta come down to do press. I'm literally wearing
Speaker 6: a still wearing a suit jacket. I come in front
Speaker 6: of this British report I think she was of Indian descent,
Speaker 6: and she looks at me. She says, Oh, I'm surprised
Speaker 6: you don't have your Grammy around your neck on a chain.
Speaker 7: I love your impression. By the way, Jan that's why
Speaker 7: they keep calling you your cousin.
Speaker 1: The island is so small it could be.
Speaker 6: But the thing is, I'm coming down and I'm trying
Speaker 6: to represent and and I get that.
Speaker 1: And this is me.
Speaker 5: I'm standing next to Bruce Hornsby, I'm standing next to
Speaker 5: all these.
Speaker 6: Other people, and they treat me as a peer, especially
Speaker 6: the people that know that I wrote Fotona.
Speaker 1: They're like, Yo, this is a real artist.
Speaker 6: This may be a different genre, may not be singing whatever,
Speaker 6: but he's selling real records and this is real stuff.
Speaker 6: So it's like more media and more you know, hoofla
Speaker 6: in terms of the stuff that you get backlash from.
Speaker 6: I didn't really pay it any mind, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, because once again it's especially now with social media.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 6: You can just sit Cheetos mom's basement type type type
Speaker 6: and you're supposed to be on the same platform as
Speaker 6: someone's out there doing stuff.
Speaker 4: Right, Come on, man, now now, because you came from
Speaker 4: the era where people were still calling hip hop a
Speaker 4: fat people were still saying that, I remember the bigg
Speaker 4: the smallest lines. Did you ever hear that hip hop
Speaker 4: will make it this far? And it's like, I've noticed
Speaker 4: that it's a cliche type of a thing, but you
Speaker 4: now got to see a turn into business. Like it
Speaker 4: went from being about true school to now it's all
Speaker 4: about money. Everyone wants to be you know, be rich
Speaker 4: or whatever, but now it's a business. Did you ever
Speaker 4: think that hip hop would turn into like a business
Speaker 4: and less about the culture.
Speaker 6: I always knew that the business side of it would
Speaker 6: would evolve, but I always felt the culture would remain.
Speaker 6: So just because it's not the biggest selling record doesn't
Speaker 6: mean that it's not something that keeps the culture going.
Speaker 6: So that that's always been my approach. It's like I
Speaker 6: have certain records before Bust and Move came out. You know,
Speaker 6: dudes would tell me that, you know, let them know
Speaker 6: and my name is Young and know how and you know,
Speaker 6: there's certain records that did that were more culture focused
Speaker 6: than he had. It resonated more with the culture. Bust
Speaker 6: and move came out, did this thing, you know, and
Speaker 6: I'm changed my life. So I'm never going to say
Speaker 6: anything negative about it, but I try and make a
Speaker 6: point of showing that I took part in the development
Speaker 6: of the culture, especially of West Coast hip hop. You know,
Speaker 6: I've had really influential artists after me come up to
Speaker 6: me and say that, you know, the impact that I've
Speaker 6: had on them because I was a good rapper and
Speaker 6: I was saying that I was from LA. So there
Speaker 6: was a lot of guys that they were a good rapper.
Speaker 6: They wouldn't you know, they would claim any place by LA.
Speaker 6: But they're La making money.
Speaker 1: How it was for a lot of regions at that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but for me, that was disrespectful.
Speaker 6: If I'm here and you guys are paying me and
Speaker 6: I'm living, you know, I'm doing the cost of skate
Speaker 6: Land World on wheels, billboard.
Speaker 1: Live, Florentine Gardens.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, whiskey Roxy, I mean, I'm
Speaker 5: doing those are the places.
Speaker 6: I'm playing one of those clubs I wish, but that's
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. Those those are the places that I
Speaker 6: kind of cut my teeth. So I can't, you know,
Speaker 6: go from there to saying, oh, but I started wrapping
Speaker 6: in a crew in New York. You know, there was
Speaker 6: there was an evolution that took place, and I saw
Speaker 6: my growth and I really learned the business being in
Speaker 6: LA you know. So you say it turned into a business.
Speaker 6: It did turn into a business because the money was
Speaker 6: there at that point. I have an economics degree, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm I'm not going to have somebody count my money
Speaker 6: for me.
Speaker 3: I mean, it seems like you came in at business
Speaker 3: already because you were already writing records for somebody else.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like you came in as your own MBC. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, well I signed as my own MC. I
Speaker 5: didn't sign as a writer.
Speaker 6: Writing stuff came because they saw how I wrote for
Speaker 6: myself as an MC, and so O Marvel would be
Speaker 6: good to tell the story on on on Wild Thing.
Speaker 6: A lot of times rappers, now I guess it's expected. Oh,
Speaker 6: I you know, this producer has a beat.
Speaker 1: This beat is so hot.
Speaker 6: I'm an run and do this. I literally never asked
Speaker 6: for a beat change on any record. Okay, this is
Speaker 6: the beat, this is the title.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm talking wild thing, funky Cole Medina. There's
Speaker 6: a third record called Showtown that's supposed to be about
Speaker 6: Lakers that never came out, by the way, that was
Speaker 6: supposed to be the third single, but that never came.
Speaker 1: Out and didn't make the album.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it didn't make.
Speaker 6: But I remember because i'd written the first I think
Speaker 6: I may have I have. I still have my rhyme
Speaker 6: book written a pencil because it, you know, wouldn't fade.
Speaker 6: But just sitting down making those seeing what they did,
Speaker 6: it's like I can't look back on that and hate it,
Speaker 6: you know. I look, I look back on that and
Speaker 6: say that that's an amazing time. That that won't won't
Speaker 6: come that won't come back, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So my background and and you know, the kind of
Speaker 6: the batteries in my back to keep me going now
Speaker 6: is looking back then and knowing you know, I'm capable
Speaker 6: of that, or I'm capable of being you know, in
Speaker 6: that space, I try and find a level of reality, know,
Speaker 6: and it's like kind of like having a first girlfriend
Speaker 6: that it doesn't really matter, you know, down down the
Speaker 6: line how.
Speaker 5: She looked, it's that she was your first girlfriend.
Speaker 6: So like bust and moved, wild thing, some of these
Speaker 6: records were the first girlfriend for a lot of people
Speaker 6: in hip hop.
Speaker 5: They just were parents.
Speaker 6: Parents didn't know shit, parents wouldn't let them listen to
Speaker 6: the stuff for curses and oh but we you know,
Speaker 6: we were able to listen to your record, right, So
Speaker 6: you know, it's like, do.
Speaker 1: You feel you've got enough credit for it?
Speaker 3: Because you obviously broke down a lot of barriers for
Speaker 3: hip hop at the time, Like, I'm what records? Do
Speaker 3: you remember any of the records? There had to be
Speaker 3: MTV records for your video? Oh yeah, yeah, no in
Speaker 3: terms of hip hop.
Speaker 5: The reason, well, all right, I think I had started
Speaker 5: before MTV raps.
Speaker 1: Don't get me do you know.
Speaker 5: Don't get me wrong with that, but I could look back.
Speaker 6: But I want to say that I know I was
Speaker 6: putting out some records before MTV rap start.
Speaker 1: I know, let them know.
Speaker 5: It was my first single and I was hyper and
Speaker 5: red alert played it so I know he was there.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: But in terms of getting credit, it was it was
Speaker 5: a dynamic thing.
Speaker 1: It was growing and there.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to be acknowledged that I was there,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like whatever credit I'm gonna get,
Speaker 6: you know, like.
Speaker 1: History is told by the winners, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So so people, you know, I see, you saw your
Speaker 6: interview with DC and and with other folks, you know,
Speaker 6: the dog Pound and a lot of the stuff they're
Speaker 6: talking about. I know a lot of the people that
Speaker 6: talk about I know. So I'm happy knowing that I
Speaker 6: was there. And if my name ever comes up, you know,
Speaker 6: then then then I'm hoping something positive will be said.
Speaker 6: But I was there, and I felt that I gave
Speaker 6: a good crowd contribution to it.
Speaker 4: Well, our show is well giving people flowers while they're
Speaker 4: alive where they could smell them, or the trees where
Speaker 4: they can hell them, They thoughts while they could think them,
Speaker 4: and they drinks where they can drink them.
Speaker 1: We always, we always quote Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 4: Snoop Dogg says it's better than the Grammy because it
Speaker 4: comes for his people.
Speaker 1: And this is what we want to do.
Speaker 4: So many times in our culture, you know, people they
Speaker 4: don't appreciate each other, and we want to break that
Speaker 4: mold and we want to say how great you are
Speaker 4: because it is real.
Speaker 1: It's really an honor to honor you.
Speaker 5: Thank you man.
Speaker 1: Well, I was all right, so we wanted to do
Speaker 1: this so bad. I will say that.
Speaker 6: I've won a Grammy. But on a lot of levels
Speaker 6: I appreciate this. Yeah, yea, I'm bad, all right, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I know, on a lot of levels I appreciate this
Speaker 6: more because this is for a lifelong you know, this
Speaker 6: is thirty seven years of work, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So to be recognized, I'm telling my friends you don't
Speaker 6: going on drink.
Speaker 4: Chance for going yo yo yo, shut me out, So
Speaker 4: big up your friends, man, I think it's time a
Speaker 4: quick time Slyne.
Speaker 1: Let's go all right.
Speaker 4: Now you're not drinking, so but we're gonna give you
Speaker 4: the honor designated drink of having a designated drinker so
Speaker 4: you can actually look at probably anybody in the audience.
Speaker 1: He's always the designated drinkery.
Speaker 3: Wants.
Speaker 1: Does anybody want it? Yeah? Okay, okay, he just went
Speaker 1: over there. We got tough over there. Okay, alright, let's
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 4: Cool cool, cool, he gonna drink for you, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 4: All right, So you got you know, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: I explaining these rules. Your friend is gonna explain it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: get him a chair, Yeah, I got.
Speaker 5: You got cranberry juice. Cranberry juice over over ice, and
Speaker 5: I'll mixed this with thank you or whatever.
Speaker 1: He's drinking though for his shots. Yeah, So you explaining
Speaker 1: him the rules, I'll explained to him.
Speaker 6: Ye.
Speaker 3: Okay, We're going to give you two choices. Yes, you
Speaker 3: pick one, nobody drinks. If you say both or neither,
Speaker 3: we're drinking.
Speaker 1: Okay. So, but and any stories you got with any
Speaker 1: names mentioned.
Speaker 6: I will much They're all going to have stories because
Speaker 6: if I know them, they're coming from a place of
Speaker 6: a relationship as opposed to what I regard somebody as
Speaker 6: a fan, you know what I'm saying. So so there
Speaker 6: may be some that to people that don't know and
Speaker 6: would be obvious and to me, like I would pick
Speaker 6: to Loko over everybody, I'll put pres over mostly everybody.
Speaker 1: So go ahead. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: But by the way, by the way, I want to
Speaker 4: take a time out to actually really really really big
Speaker 4: you up.
Speaker 1: Because I'm actually.
Speaker 4: Looking at your drink selection and I'm really realizing you
Speaker 4: drink four different things.
Speaker 1: I don't know what this is. That's this is the
Speaker 1: Haitian version of and then you got Mama Wana. You
Speaker 1: got by the way, pit Bull. He's so loyal to you, man,
Speaker 1: because I can tell he doesn't enjoy this at all.
Speaker 1: I don't know you want, oh, Mama, don't do it.
Speaker 1: They make that in the to and they make that.
Speaker 4: And a back job, and kidd I'm telling you be
Speaker 4: careful that it's fantastic. I'm just I'll be playing around.
Speaker 1: You. So I just want to before we get into this.
Speaker 1: This is a different Mama wanna no, no, this is
Speaker 1: this is Haitian. I don't know what will we consider this, Guys,
Speaker 1: he's not really We've established that he's not really Haitian.
Speaker 3: We can't go to the Sunday d Haitian. I'm looking
Speaker 3: at mother friend. We can't go to Sunny d fund.
Speaker 1: For the Haitian delegation. We cannot go to sunn Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you some funny ship. Real great.
Speaker 2: This is this is like.
Speaker 1: It's like Haiti Yeah, summer morn. So he got you
Speaker 1: got Haitian moonshine.
Speaker 4: You got wan I say it wrong. Then you got
Speaker 4: pit Bull vodka. Yep, which which you had for like
Speaker 4: two years. It ain't going nowhere on.
Speaker 3: The thirtieth last year, and and then you got there
Speaker 3: and I got beer as well.
Speaker 1: That's why that's why he's in CrossFit every day, because
Speaker 1: that gangster right there. I've been doing this with him
Speaker 1: eight years and I'm still realizing every more day like
Speaker 1: he might be.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm gonna do my best to be decisive, but
Speaker 6: even some of them that I say both, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: probably give stories behind it because and by the way.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry to change the subject a little bit.
Speaker 4: I met Kirk Franklin. Oh boy, I felt like he
Speaker 4: was bad.
Speaker 1: Did you remind him about militiaman crazy already?
Speaker 3: What? No?
Speaker 8: I did not.
Speaker 1: I did not, but he said he's he won't come
Speaker 1: on the show. I would tell our found. I told
Speaker 1: him my mom truck to get you high.
Speaker 3: Kirk look up radio and Kirk Franklin, and we did.
Speaker 1: We did with frank called him, yeah, Frank call him. Yes.
Speaker 1: If you want to drink this, you got to sit here,
Speaker 1: bro be a part of this. Yeah, you got to
Speaker 1: designated drinkers. It's okay, you, Charlie, you can have some
Speaker 1: of this because he wants to drink this. By the way, Charlie,
Speaker 1: Charlie got glass what I call him glass like that?
Speaker 1: You know, Charlie strong for no reason, get yourself a
Speaker 1: shot glass, not mine? All right? All right, by the way, already,
Speaker 1: how you're going to answer this?
Speaker 4: Yes, So I like to let people know when we
Speaker 4: do this that these questions come from a Dominican and
Speaker 4: Columbia and they're.
Speaker 1: Right over there, right over there. Yeah, we don't make
Speaker 1: these questions.
Speaker 4: They come from them, Okay, to own local or mc
Speaker 4: hammers load, dude.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I just got married, like we believe it.
Speaker 3: Not ahead.
Speaker 5: What what I'll give give him, I'll give him and
Speaker 5: his crops to what he did.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 6: We need have selling selling that many records and the
Speaker 6: and the impact he had tous like blood to me,
Speaker 6: like walking literally walking down.
Speaker 5: The aisle to marry my wife. Montell Jordan, did my
Speaker 5: ceremony nice?
Speaker 1: We respect that Motel walks.
Speaker 5: In front of me. I'm walking behind Montel.
Speaker 6: The time that I was close to getting choked up
Speaker 6: before I was holding my wife during our vows is
Speaker 6: when I saw Tone.
Speaker 5: Lok in a suit and Rob Base in a suit
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Two three.
Speaker 5: So March, yeah, March March twenty fourth.
Speaker 1: Rob Base was there, Yeah together, okay, Freedom Freedom. Williams
Speaker 1: is there okay.
Speaker 5: Well also seeing you know, seeing some music factory Montane Left.
Speaker 6: Yeah, freedom, Freedom from Left. We have so many discuss
Speaker 6: Freedom has so many stories.
Speaker 1: Due.
Speaker 5: I don't know where he's from because the story is.
Speaker 1: In different places. Ye people to Earth.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then the rounded out All of One, all
Speaker 6: the members of Off of One came out for my wedding.
Speaker 5: Flew had a show the night before, all brought suits.
Speaker 1: It was Due.
Speaker 6: It was just so hard woman, because these are my friends.
Speaker 6: These are people I see, you know, thirty years, twenty
Speaker 6: five years, twenty years. Even on this nineties tour, I'm
Speaker 6: doing two hundred, three hundred shows with people. They become like,
Speaker 6: you know, like family, that's what you see. I see
Speaker 6: them more than the friends. I'm within Arizona.
Speaker 1: So I tell people that all the time. It's three
Speaker 1: ways you go. You can kind of really really really
Speaker 1: know a person, get locked up with them that's fucked up,
Speaker 1: and go on.
Speaker 5: Tour, which is kind of similar.
Speaker 1: It's similar because you're in jail free, you're in jail traveling.
Speaker 1: Like I'm being honest with you.
Speaker 4: I've always used this description that heaven could be hell
Speaker 4: if you don't want to be there. Y'all understand what
Speaker 4: I just said. If you don't want to be there,
Speaker 4: that's it could be. Like I used to go to
Speaker 4: Paris and hate that ship.
Speaker 1: What the fuck is one croissant? Want chocolates in Switzerland?
Speaker 1: And then I started to realize.
Speaker 4: Because my my, my pilot didn't lead Queens, your pilot
Speaker 4: or your pilot you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Pilot didn't Queens.
Speaker 5: He has some of the most like creative pronunciations.
Speaker 1: Could have worked.
Speaker 3: It works.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that you know so well
Speaker 1: that you knew hold on, we're gonna move on, hold
Speaker 1: on on plot Queens. This one, I don't know. He
Speaker 1: go to flight school.
Speaker 4: This one, I don't know what you're gonna say. Time
Speaker 4: and this is a good one. I respect, y'all. Tupac
Speaker 4: or shot g.
Speaker 6: Oh God, I have to say, shock g dude, I
Speaker 6: have to say and once again, I'm going for I
Speaker 6: knew both of them, but I'm going.
Speaker 1: For my relationships.
Speaker 5: Like shock, God rest him. If he was alive, it
Speaker 5: had been at my wedding.
Speaker 6: Shock is somebody I learned so much, even like even
Speaker 6: the all in the same gang, the whole experience. Shak
Speaker 6: had asked me about being in the record, like should
Speaker 6: should should.
Speaker 1: Digital be part of this?
Speaker 6: This is when everybody was deciding whatever and and and
Speaker 6: before it was all finalized.
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, man, I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: You were on it before they were even considered or I.
Speaker 6: Had said that I'd approved it. Where what the legal
Speaker 6: documents data? How long it took? Because the delicious are
Speaker 6: trying to get money out of him, which wasn't smart.
Speaker 6: All I knew was I had approved it at the time,
Speaker 6: and they had known that, right. So Shack had asked
Speaker 6: me my opinion, and I said, you know, you should
Speaker 6: do it. Interesting thing before he passed, we had a discussion.
Speaker 6: I had done a Pepsi commercial and a Taco bell commercial, and.
Speaker 5: Oh god, I think for both of them.
Speaker 6: I want to say, maybe I got two hundred grand
Speaker 6: something like that for both commercials together. They come to Shock,
Speaker 6: they offer him more than that, but he had heard
Speaker 6: in rumors that I got a million.
Speaker 1: Dollars for those two commercials. So I'm not sure.
Speaker 6: So I'm not even sure it's the same companies, but
Speaker 6: it's the same type of deal, like a fast food,
Speaker 6: soft drink kind of thing.
Speaker 5: And he had turned down.
Speaker 6: Like three hundred something like that, saying, well, if young
Speaker 6: got a million, I should get close to that, And
Speaker 6: he never took the deal. When I told him how
Speaker 6: much I had gotten, He's like, man, I wish I
Speaker 6: had spoken to you instead of taking the rumors. So
Speaker 6: that's why, like, even seeing that from him, it opened
Speaker 6: my eyes in terms of what the streets say or
Speaker 6: what someone says, you know, because once again, if I'm
Speaker 6: hearing someone talk about money, figure said they've never come
Speaker 6: in contact to with themselves. I have to take that
Speaker 6: with a grain of salt. Unless they're the lawyer or
Speaker 6: the business affairs or something that's gonna have access to
Speaker 6: the deal. I can't if someone says a million of
Speaker 6: me and they never seen a mill, then come on, man,
Speaker 6: really nah. So so Shock taught me.
Speaker 3: That fun fact. For Shock he's originally from Tampa.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here, this is a fun fact. I know you're
Speaker 4: gonna laugh at me. You know, I really didn't know
Speaker 4: that that was the same.
Speaker 1: He did a great.
Speaker 3: When he did the Arsenio appearance, and he and they
Speaker 3: came out like I think they came out together.
Speaker 1: I think, yes, brother, yes, let me tell you how
Speaker 1: everybody but the nose. The nose makes you know the.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you how bad I was fooled, like
Speaker 4: people told me. And I met him and I still
Speaker 4: asked him. I was like, so, w is homie gonna
Speaker 4: come out?
Speaker 3: He would be like, henna be.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 7: He literally looked at me and was like, you'll know,
Speaker 7: you know that's a joke, right, like it's it's like
Speaker 7: the same person.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, you don't believe. I just
Speaker 1: really is. I really didn't. I really did. So that's
Speaker 1: that's the fun fact for me. Let's move on. D
Speaker 1: O C or m C.
Speaker 5: Wren oh man, I have to say d O C.
Speaker 5: And I say d O C because.
Speaker 6: Before his accident I would see him and I'm I'm
Speaker 6: very lyrically focused. So the dopest line he hasn't funky
Speaker 6: enough to me. He says something that rhyns with G
Speaker 6: or whatever, and he says when I'm p E R
Speaker 6: F O R M I N G N Right. So
Speaker 6: the first time I saw him, at one of the
Speaker 6: times I saw him after the record came out. I
Speaker 6: said p E R F O R M I N
Speaker 6: G N, and d O C looks at me and says,
Speaker 6: you're the only person that got that, because I don't
Speaker 6: get it.
Speaker 1: He spelled his pilot never left. His problem was in Queen.
Speaker 6: He's spelled performing and that's that's That's a ten letter
Speaker 6: word that he fits into a line. And ironically, this
Speaker 6: is once again how much of a lyric nerd I am, oh,
Speaker 6: one syllable so you can get away with it, but
Speaker 6: ten letter word he spells out in a rhyme and
Speaker 6: it just sounds like because he doesn't, so they just
Speaker 6: think that it's more babbling. I'm like, no, he's spelled
Speaker 6: performing right there, and I gave him prompts for it.
Speaker 5: He's like, you're the only person that got that.
Speaker 6: Then I saw him, as you know, with the accident
Speaker 6: the DRUP and I opened I opened for him and
Speaker 6: Snoop a couple of years ago and well not open.
Speaker 6: I opened for Snoop and he was there and it
Speaker 6: was my profile before my wedding picture. Actually my profile
Speaker 6: picture on my on my Facebook was was me DC
Speaker 6: and Snoop.
Speaker 4: So that's that's why it's DC okay, that's hard. That
Speaker 4: was a hard explanation. He tried to get you drunk.
Speaker 4: He's looking out for you.
Speaker 3: I like he's looking at I'm trying man e PMD
Speaker 3: or Digital Underground man.
Speaker 5: Because I know Eric and Parish.
Speaker 1: I have to say, see y'all want to drink. You
Speaker 1: could say both, you know, because you love.
Speaker 6: Them both, dude, but it can't be both. I knew,
Speaker 6: I knew Eric, I knew Eric, you know met Parish.
Speaker 6: But it's it's got to be Digital Underground. Like my
Speaker 6: my booking agent, Bobby Beissan, love him to death. I've
Speaker 6: had the same booking agent since nineteen ninety eight. He
Speaker 6: one of the last road things he did was being
Speaker 6: on the road road managing Digital Underground.
Speaker 5: So him and him in Shakra like this.
Speaker 6: And then I would see shack a lot touring in
Speaker 6: the whole bit we would have Shock was capable of
Speaker 6: amazing deep conversation. So it's like, this is a man
Speaker 6: who I learned so much from just talking to. So
Speaker 6: it's like, you know, maybe you give me two people
Speaker 6: that I don't have a story with it.
Speaker 1: You're doing five, you're doing five that this is a
Speaker 1: good one. I'm saving money. Uber N w a oh
Speaker 1: public enemy, and we want the stories. Let's go.
Speaker 6: Okay, I will say boats you could drink, but I'm
Speaker 6: gonna give the stories on boat.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 6: He wants, yeah, he wants. He wants you to fill
Speaker 6: you want give us So first Republic enemy could And
Speaker 6: I told him this. I did a podcast God, probably
Speaker 6: a year ago or so and me talking about No, No,
Speaker 6: I'm talking about Chuck and they see you bring up
Speaker 6: Flavor Me and Flavor real cool, like, oh god, you
Speaker 6: saw a flavor go with Flavor. We did a private
Speaker 6: event similar to the one you saw with left right
Speaker 6: me Tone Lok, Rob Bass, Sugarhill Gang, Flavor, Flav hosting.
Speaker 5: Wow, So I'm sitting Master g.
Speaker 3: Is on.
Speaker 1: Everything. So I've done hosting with Flayed before.
Speaker 6: So we're and this, by the way, this is on
Speaker 6: a yacht leaving from them whether inter Con Leonard con
Speaker 6: New of the Miami and we and we went.
Speaker 5: We went in a circle for a corporate event.
Speaker 6: So the yacht was big enough where we could be
Speaker 6: on the lower levels this corporate rent or whatever, but
Speaker 6: we could be on the lower levels listening to what
Speaker 6: was happening on stage.
Speaker 5: So I do mine.
Speaker 6: Tone goes, Rob goes, sugar Hill goes. So I'm sitting
Speaker 6: with Master G. I don't know if there was a headliner,
Speaker 6: but for some reason, Flay was still on on stage
Speaker 6: where Master G was down downstairs, changed clothes. We started
Speaker 6: talking and we're listening to what happens on stage. Flay
Speaker 6: goes into a medley. And I've known this man at
Speaker 6: this point thirty years, never seen him do a medley
Speaker 6: by himself. But I'm only listening through the ship speakers
Speaker 6: every record he had a verse in Bam bam bam
Speaker 6: bam band both of us, like Messa g is an
Speaker 6: is a is you know, an idol of mine is
Speaker 6: something some of our mentor.
Speaker 1: So we're having deep conversation.
Speaker 5: We both stop, let's go, and Flavor's just bam bam
Speaker 5: bam bam going through going through stuff like that. So
Speaker 5: I just have a personal love for Flay.
Speaker 6: Flavor's always been good with me, you know, friends of friends,
Speaker 6: short circle, and he's a person, you know, you have
Speaker 6: highs and lows in his business. When the records ain't
Speaker 6: hitting and all that, Flavor's always treated me well. And
Speaker 6: when it comes to Chuck once again, I considered Chuck
Speaker 6: a mentor like if things were were to if things
Speaker 6: would have blow up to a certain place, or I
Speaker 6: was exposed to things that I didn't know about this business,
Speaker 6: I would go to Chuck to get advice. That's the
Speaker 6: person if you said, who would be the first person
Speaker 6: you go to is Chuck d okay nwa.
Speaker 5: Seeing Cbe do what he did in terms of being
Speaker 5: a writer.
Speaker 6: I think me and him, I had not seen Cube
Speaker 6: in twenty some ideas open for him last year. Took
Speaker 6: my now wife with me, and the first thing Cube
Speaker 6: says to me is like, yo, I hope he was
Speaker 6: cool with the drive by because he played Bust to
Speaker 6: Move in the background of.
Speaker 1: The drive by on was it was it destinate certificate?
Speaker 1: Was America's despertivity?
Speaker 5: See that's I should know this.
Speaker 6: I'm so, I'm sorry, but okay, so I've said, of
Speaker 6: course that that that gave me some of the best
Speaker 6: street credit I ever had. You know, but I mentioned him.
Speaker 6: I mentioned him like, yeah, I'm thinking of going back
Speaker 6: in and making some records. He don't even look at me.
Speaker 6: He looks at my wife and he's like, you need
Speaker 6: to get him back in the studio. You know you
Speaker 6: can be He's kind of for my wife got scared,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. But he but he respects
Speaker 6: me so much as an artist and writer from back then,
Speaker 6: and because once again it's all of them on stage.
Speaker 6: But I respect him because I didn't know all he
Speaker 6: wrote for them. I did not know literally until the stuff.
Speaker 1: I didn't see him.
Speaker 4: Yeah so well Easy actually said it on the record. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Easy Easy said ice, Q writes the rhymes that I say.
Speaker 4: And I heard that and I was like, I knew
Speaker 4: this rhyme and I didn't know that they were witten
Speaker 4: the ghost writing back then.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that shit. So you have Q.
Speaker 6: Easy Easy did a big played a big part of
Speaker 6: me being accepted on the West Coast, Easy Wow, because
Speaker 6: I shared stages with them so so and I'm watching
Speaker 6: straight out of Compton and I remember playing those places
Speaker 6: like some of those places represented Skateland World on wheels,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. And that's where I came up.
Speaker 6: So I would often open for them, and you know,
Speaker 6: they were always cool with me, always great and easy
Speaker 6: you know, accepted me, and and Delicious and Ruthless were
Speaker 6: kind of parallel, you know, at least at least for
Speaker 6: at least for a minute, and they had to. They
Speaker 6: had to acknowledge what we were doing on the pop side,
Speaker 6: and we had to acknowledge what they were doing on
Speaker 6: the on the gangster side.
Speaker 5: But it was all LA and I'm coming from a point.
Speaker 6: Where people were saying La La rappers were whack and
Speaker 6: all that other ship, and I just wasn't hearing it, Like,
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna go up here and change my style
Speaker 6: or try and sound a certain way so that y'all
Speaker 6: I can fit into what you think in LA rappers
Speaker 6: like no, No, I'm from LA and I round like this,
Speaker 6: And I think he's.
Speaker 5: He appreciated that, and I think Cube appreciated that.
Speaker 6: So you take those two just in terms of being
Speaker 6: front men, and then you know Ren and Yellow in
Speaker 6: terms of what they represented for the group.
Speaker 5: And Dre has changed the music from everything from his
Speaker 5: production to.
Speaker 6: To to what you know to death Row to the
Speaker 6: stuff with Interscope, the economics to Beast by Dre.
Speaker 5: Come on, man, it's like I just wanted to see
Speaker 5: y'all drink. I would have picked them up.
Speaker 1: Next question, Yeah, Ice Cube or Biggie Small.
Speaker 6: I gotta say Cube. I gotta say Cube. I never
Speaker 6: met Biggie a lot of respect for Biggie. To me,
Speaker 6: Partying Bullshit is his best record. Like if if if
Speaker 6: you say, okay, who's the man? Yeah, I didn't know
Speaker 6: who that was. That to me shows how good of
Speaker 6: a record is. Like I go into that record with
Speaker 6: no preconceived notions. I was a sister public school. Ever
Speaker 6: bathroom passes and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I hear that, I'm like, oh my god, who's that.
Speaker 6: It's only like what two years later that you you
Speaker 6: actually see ready to die and you see you know
Speaker 6: who that actually is?
Speaker 5: So for you know, and even going back listening to everything,
Speaker 5: you hear the hunger in that record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a hip hop history. He breaks it down.
Speaker 1: I want to go to a school that you could
Speaker 1: teach like you you got to be teacher. Build it
Speaker 1: damnit literally literally.
Speaker 4: Literally just speak to you all day because and and
Speaker 4: the knowledge, thank you knowledge, that's that's that's real impressive
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 5: And to finish, to finish the question, Matt, it was
Speaker 5: what ice Cube or Biggie?
Speaker 1: I just say that up.
Speaker 5: Because he likes yeah exactly, but but ice.
Speaker 6: Cube is just it's just it's just another level, not
Speaker 6: only in a personal level, what I've what I saw
Speaker 6: him do with Nwa, sharing those stages, all the shit
Speaker 6: that they went through, what he was able to do
Speaker 6: as a solo artist, what he's been able to do
Speaker 6: as a businessman. And that's my friend, dude, Like, like,
Speaker 6: I consider Ice Cube a friend and and just to
Speaker 6: be I hadn't seen him, Like when Busting Move happened,
Speaker 6: I left. I'm not doing the hood the hook places anymore,
Speaker 6: and I'm not coming back each record. I'm a pop
Speaker 6: artist at that point. The got the penthouse in West Hollywood.
Speaker 6: That's what's happening. But I always had love for it.
Speaker 6: So when I see him, I'm like, Okay, I hope
Speaker 6: he ain't salty for the fact that I, you know what,
Speaker 6: haven't been around or whatever. And he asked me about
Speaker 6: to drive by it, so I'm like, Okay, he's feeling
Speaker 6: some of what I'm feeling that we haven't been around
Speaker 6: each other.
Speaker 1: COOLi old God rest him.
Speaker 6: After after I had after I had opened for Cube,
Speaker 6: we get to talk in and he said he had
Speaker 6: never shared a stage with Cube, or at least had
Speaker 6: it in twenty years, Like, how does that happen?
Speaker 5: Different agencies, different.
Speaker 6: Approaches, you have a record that crosses over pop Cube
Speaker 6: haddingto it for a while. Also, some of the you know,
Speaker 6: some of the harder ship was harder. It's more difficult
Speaker 6: to get on stage in front of people. Now he
Speaker 6: can to a headline, do whatever he wants. So seeing
Speaker 6: that and you know, just the conversations, conversations we had,
Speaker 6: it makes it makes the two times come together like
Speaker 6: it doesn't feel like there was a gap, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that's that's how I feel about Q.
Speaker 7: So let me ask you, Yes, sir, this is off
Speaker 7: drink Chaps, this is not quick Thomas slid moment because
Speaker 7: you just hit me.
Speaker 4: God comes down, God says to you, young and see
Speaker 4: one person can tell your story. Make a movie. Oh boy,
Speaker 4: my choices. Huh, Quentin Tarantino, I don't know why I
Speaker 4: thought that. Yeah, Ice Cube, Bike Lee or Robert de Niro,
Speaker 4: they're going to be a director.
Speaker 5: I would I would say Cube, I would take cue.
Speaker 1: I set you up.
Speaker 6: You know what I thought you were going to ask
Speaker 6: me about the DJ and the or the producer and
Speaker 6: the feature for the record to Save the World.
Speaker 5: That's what I thought You're gonna ask me.
Speaker 1: Then okay, I'm asking now, now, let's have one for
Speaker 1: that one. Wait wait, what are we talking about now?
Speaker 5: No, No, if you said you you had you have
Speaker 5: to make one record to save the world, world, I want.
Speaker 1: To say the world.
Speaker 4: Get back to that saying you say you said you're
Speaker 4: gonna you would let ice Cube because of your relationship
Speaker 4: with ice Cube or that's the perfect person for the job.
Speaker 1: I mean fit for you.
Speaker 6: I think perfect fit because he would he's from the era,
Speaker 6: from the time, from the region, and he.
Speaker 1: Lived through it but understand the material. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So so if you had asked me, you.
Speaker 1: Know, if Yellow was.
Speaker 6: Directed movies, so if Wren was directed movies, I don't
Speaker 6: know them as well, but I would pick them because
Speaker 6: they know the time and the era and everything. I
Speaker 6: wouldn't have to explain it, and their memories you will
Speaker 6: coincide with mine.
Speaker 1: So because that's like, what's crazy, what it's called biopics. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so biopics. Yeah, everyone always like relates it to the
Speaker 1: people that's alive, Like n w A, they say that that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, if you I mean and I'd hate
Speaker 6: to say anything negative about any art on this on
Speaker 6: this platform, but that Amy Winehouse Jointmie one.
Speaker 5: House movie this. I mean I saw it. I saw
Speaker 5: it early.
Speaker 6: It was so obvious that it was her family that
Speaker 6: had you know, they throwed a husband under the bus,
Speaker 6: and she wasn't really in the you know, into any
Speaker 6: substances until he came along, and that kind of thing.
Speaker 6: It just when it's so skewed and then and then
Speaker 6: you have somebody like what Mark ronson and produces biggest produce,
Speaker 6: our biggest record and basically changed their life.
Speaker 5: And he barely gets like two seconds in the movie.
Speaker 1: In the movie.
Speaker 5: I believe, So, I believe, but it would be brief, like.
Speaker 6: It had to do more with her home life, family, friends,
Speaker 6: and that just came from you know, them having the
Speaker 6: background of it. But to me, having lived, you know,
Speaker 6: somewhat of an artist's life, there's so many elements to it, dude,
Speaker 6: So I look at that and it just disappoints me
Speaker 6: when you talk about biopictures, like they have to talk
Speaker 6: to everybody and they can't just take it from one side,
Speaker 6: and they can't let one person, especially if the artist
Speaker 6: is dead, you can't just let one person have say
Speaker 6: over everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be unbiased.
Speaker 6: So if the artist did something that the family necessarily
Speaker 6: doesn't like you can't just eliminate it from the story.
Speaker 1: Like it never happened. It's retailing history, especially if there's
Speaker 1: millions of witnesses. What happened to this?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So yeah, go ahead, Yes, that's real. That's real. So
Speaker 1: you were going with ice Q Okay, okay, But what's
Speaker 1: the record that saves the world? What is the record
Speaker 1: the record save the world?
Speaker 6: I'm gonna bow your mind because you'll heard NEI of
Speaker 6: these Scott's stories should be producing it.
Speaker 3: Have not.
Speaker 6: I'm just I just I just I'm not working either
Speaker 6: of these people. The Scott Scott's US would produce it.
Speaker 6: And the rapper, Yes, Strang Wonder from o GC. That's
Speaker 6: that when I say, when I say, that's an influence.
Speaker 1: And I met them. I met Sean Price.
Speaker 5: Before he died, walking through a crowd and he looks
Speaker 5: Russe and he looks at me.
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, you don't give. See I don't give.
Speaker 6: But nobody say about you, you know so. But but yes,
Speaker 6: they would be Scott Stars and strang Wonder.
Speaker 4: I stand on that put the world on that hold on,
Speaker 4: hold on to save the world. By the way, I'm
Speaker 4: sitting this to clip the Scott stor meet.
Speaker 1: But by the way, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4: So if you had any producer in the world, God
Speaker 4: coming to you with any producer, and you would pick
Speaker 4: Scott's stores.
Speaker 1: That is such a no, no no. But because the
Speaker 1: thing is, I'm asking in in terms of what moved.
Speaker 6: Me when I heard it, Like Dayman considered him the
Speaker 6: best producer, but but what God, why we thugs with Cube?
Speaker 6: The stuff, the stuff he did, Gosh, the stuff he
Speaker 6: did with method Man, Like that four to twenty one
Speaker 6: album is so underrated. It seemed like a downpoint down
Speaker 6: downtime and hip hop. I listen to that record again.
Speaker 5: I can inspired lyrically and musically to this day.
Speaker 1: Really, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I listen to Why We Don's and I'm like, that's
Speaker 5: not something.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 6: I was happy that when I open a Cube, but
Speaker 6: literally the twenty seven records, I like snuck a picture
Speaker 6: of the playlist, But I was happy that he did
Speaker 6: that because he could easily do a whole show and
Speaker 6: not do that record.
Speaker 5: But part of what makes both of those so strong
Speaker 5: for me, it's got storage.
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, that's so.
Speaker 5: And then strange Lafleur lafly Scot that's one of the.
Speaker 1: Unted record in hip hop. Is one of the best
Speaker 1: coffee And.
Speaker 6: If you listen, if from an MC standpoint, invariably when
Speaker 6: I'm listening to those records and then I go back
Speaker 6: and listen to like the OGC records, his verses are
Speaker 6: the ones that stand down, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: How many corner MC want to try when straight shit
Speaker 6: hit up like that? For you kidding me and I'm
Speaker 6: in LA So I'm like, what is gonna tie me
Speaker 6: to New York?
Speaker 1: His lyrics.
Speaker 5: Like we're a linked to me to say, Okay, this
Speaker 5: is what This is the evolution of New York rap.
Speaker 1: This is the evolution of New.
Speaker 5: York kit pop's the range.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, though you fucked me up, you officially hooked me up.
Speaker 1: Definitely come with the cookie cutter on that one coolio
Speaker 1: or easy. Oh god man, we could drink rest in
Speaker 1: Peace today.
Speaker 5: I mean all right, so y'all could drink I'm gonna
Speaker 5: say both.
Speaker 3: Cheers, so look, you can get the good stuff.
Speaker 6: Tone Lok is my closest friend in the music business.
Speaker 6: Like I said, like blood to me.
Speaker 5: Over the last.
Speaker 6: Seven eight years, until he passed. Coolio was right there.
Speaker 6: I opened for him. We spend time together, travel with
Speaker 6: his crew, met his family, went to Vegas for his birthday.
Speaker 6: I mean we would we talk about music, he you know,
Speaker 6: I would, and and the thing is he understood what
Speaker 6: it was like to be making West Coast music and
Speaker 6: then have a massive hit record that kind of overshadows everything,
Speaker 6: but then you still.
Speaker 5: Want to be the artist and that kind of thing.
Speaker 5: So me and him related and just on so many levels.
Speaker 5: It broke my heart in he past.
Speaker 6: Easy, As I told you before, Easy was someone who
Speaker 6: made my acceptance by the West Coast a lot smoother
Speaker 6: because I would be around them and it would be
Speaker 6: and honestly, this is before a busting.
Speaker 5: Move, you know, you know pop.
Speaker 6: But from the records I had made, he saw my
Speaker 6: skill and you know, acknowledged me for it and was
Speaker 6: good to me, you know what I mean. So I've
Speaker 6: reasoned and the love both men. Would you have wrote
Speaker 6: for Easy if you to act? Yeah, yeah, absolutely I wouldn't.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say no at that point.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people to ask you to like
Speaker 1: write like a drive by record, like a gangster record.
Speaker 6: Well, there's only I mean, there's only so much. I mean, look,
Speaker 6: it's funny because I looked over all my albums and
Speaker 6: the album that I kind of went furthest away from
Speaker 6: myself is my ninety three What's the Flavor album? Ali
Speaker 6: Shahid Mohammad produced some, but the single was one that
Speaker 6: I produced. But you know, they had me wearing calm.
Speaker 6: You know, they had me wearing fatigues and then you know,
Speaker 6: just just trying to look like something I wasn't necessarily
Speaker 6: because everybody was. There was such a backlash and they
Speaker 6: wanted stuff to be gangster. But I wasn't going to
Speaker 6: change my name when I wasn't going to start cursing
Speaker 6: on the record, just wasn't going to happen. So you know,
Speaker 6: if Easy had asked me, I'd have done it. If
Speaker 6: I had to curse in it for him, I would,
Speaker 6: I'd have done it. Yeah, I mean, it's it's worked.
Speaker 6: And also I'm the kind of person where I like
Speaker 6: to see the people around me experience some of what
Speaker 6: I experienced.
Speaker 5: Part of what part of why I'm so high to.
Speaker 6: I putting on new music now is that I have
Speaker 6: friends that have been my friends for twenty five years
Speaker 6: that have never gone on the ride with me, never
Speaker 6: see me with a hit record, and just to know
Speaker 6: that I have someone with that level of commitment to
Speaker 6: me when records aren't hot, I'd love to have a
Speaker 6: record that's hot and be able to you know, text
Speaker 6: my man that you know absolutely?
Speaker 1: Do you think he was the first young Yeah? That's
Speaker 1: what I like. How a hell of your time? Were
Speaker 1: you a young name?
Speaker 5: And it's my last name? But you know, oh, you
Speaker 5: didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think of it either.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Young is my Marvin Young. Young is my
Speaker 5: last name.
Speaker 1: So he wasn't even thinking.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm the twelve year old hanging around the
Speaker 6: eighteen year olds at the block party. You know, but
Speaker 6: I can rhyme as good or better than them that
Speaker 6: they're not happy about.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was.
Speaker 5: I was the first young with an oh spelled correctly
Speaker 5: and I and I have to trademark.
Speaker 3: Why you and did you ever think at that time
Speaker 3: that there would be a plethora of young MC's literally you.
Speaker 6: Know, it's just dude, and you go online, there's people imitating,
Speaker 6: you know, impersonating trying to I mean, it is what
Speaker 6: it is.
Speaker 1: I mean the imitation being a form of flattery. All good.
Speaker 4: That was dope, Okay, self destructure, all in the same game,
Speaker 4: all on the same We know that I told you
Speaker 4: just comes from Columbias and Dominicans.
Speaker 8: Big Daddy came j Wow, oh man, all right, both
Speaker 8: we got our shots lined up, me and Kane.
Speaker 5: It's funny because because when Nohow came out, I know,
Speaker 5: me and Kane had a discussion because he had what
Speaker 5: was it? What was the fast when he had was it?
Speaker 5: I get raw?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So we had a discussion about fastest wrapping, rapping
Speaker 6: and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: And I've always respected him and.
Speaker 6: I was a fan of his before I came out
Speaker 6: l L to see what what that record did from
Speaker 6: radio on what he's doesn't you know has done as
Speaker 6: an actor, rock the bells all that. It's impressive, dude,
Speaker 6: It's just it's just really impressive. So on both levels,
Speaker 6: I got you know, I would get both of them
Speaker 6: their flowers.
Speaker 1: That's dope. That's dope. You got the next one? D
Speaker 1: or a tribe called quest Oh man.
Speaker 6: I love pasta news due, but I gotta say tribe.
Speaker 6: I gotta say tribe. Ali produced Produce produced a record
Speaker 6: on me. Q Tip has always been good fife and
Speaker 6: I get so inspired. There's no record that moves me
Speaker 6: like check them rhyme. No record, oh god, yeah, no,
Speaker 6: no record that moves me like that Heavy D or
Speaker 6: chub rock I would say, I would say heavy D.
Speaker 6: I would say I had done a few shows a
Speaker 6: heavy D. And I still remember when when when not
Speaker 6: only when he passed, but if you remember his dancer
Speaker 6: passed on tour, and that was that was heartbreaking for
Speaker 6: all of us that we're doing because we're all doing
Speaker 6: it at the same time, but to see what what
Speaker 6: he did, how the how the records crossed. He was
Speaker 6: one of He's really one of the first to have
Speaker 6: rap records that that consistently crossed in the urban radio,
Speaker 6: so they wouldn't go all the way Papa.
Speaker 5: Do you see the R and B stations playing a
Speaker 5: lot of heavy D. Yeah, So that was a big deal.
Speaker 6: That was a big because once again, it just it
Speaker 6: just kind of spread the scope of where hip hop
Speaker 6: could go.
Speaker 1: That's real. You got this, Yeah, it's gonna hurt group
Speaker 1: chat l A or New York.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I know you ain't gonna like this. I
Speaker 5: gotta say l A.
Speaker 6: That it's been the last ten to fifteen years. It's
Speaker 6: been the last ten to fifteen years. But like I said,
Speaker 6: if I stayed in New York, you wouldn't have heard
Speaker 6: of me. You be in a New York MC, if
Speaker 6: you're around a lot of older New York MC's, they
Speaker 6: don't want to hear about you having a new style.
Speaker 5: They don't want to hear about you having a new
Speaker 5: It just was like we own all this blah blah
Speaker 5: blah la.
Speaker 4: There's so many New York artists that get put on
Speaker 4: from other places.
Speaker 5: So yeah, because because like it's not a big area,
Speaker 5: so you could easily have someone that's in control of
Speaker 5: a whole lot.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of gatekeepers where there wasn't There wasn't
Speaker 6: that much of a of a gate to.
Speaker 1: Keep in LA.
Speaker 5: A couple of artists that were out.
Speaker 6: But I played all these places and open up for
Speaker 6: all these acts, and especially you know, the ability to
Speaker 6: cross over, you know what I mean, There was no
Speaker 6: resentment in LA. If I crossed over from New York,
Speaker 6: that would have been resentment.
Speaker 8: Mmmm.
Speaker 1: That's interesting that you say it that way.
Speaker 3: So that's how that whole thing that I said about
Speaker 3: in Hip hop they would have frowned upon I'm going
Speaker 3: commercial in LA or the West Coast, you were going
Speaker 3: to feel that.
Speaker 1: Where did they make commercials?
Speaker 5: Do?
Speaker 6: Where did they make commercials? They make more commercials in LA.
Speaker 6: There were so many examples. I mean, Ice team makes
Speaker 6: colors and now and now he's an actors So it's
Speaker 6: like what you know, you're going, Oh, he's on you
Speaker 6: know SV, he's in long order.
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna whatever, know whereas New.
Speaker 6: York at least not once again, this is my experience
Speaker 6: as a child not being able to get into clubs,
Speaker 6: and you know what I mean, So it's a little
Speaker 6: bit different. I wasn't able to get indoors, but just
Speaker 6: from what I had seen and what I was able
Speaker 6: to access when I got to l A, Yeah, it's
Speaker 6: just different in LA.
Speaker 1: So big of l A. It's okay. It's okay, buddy,
Speaker 1: Yeah you got this one.
Speaker 5: I got it.
Speaker 4: Ad Gang Star or nicest move, whatever story we want
Speaker 4: to say.
Speaker 1: I would say gang Star, Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: Premiere Premiere is a producer Guru rest in Peace Guru,
Speaker 6: but Guru is an EMC. Just how groundbreaking it was
Speaker 6: in terms of going over like straight samples and hip
Speaker 6: hops like like Gang Star made anthems like Nice and
Speaker 6: Smooth has has some good records. I won't I won't lie,
Speaker 6: but Gangstar to me, at least in my experience, I
Speaker 6: saw anthems, you know several coming out of gangs.
Speaker 4: Ices Moove has one of the best best rhymes I
Speaker 4: ever think I heard in hip hop collaborative.
Speaker 1: Anybody want to ask me? Anybody want to ask me?
Speaker 1: What's the rhyme?
Speaker 4: Is that, no matter how many times the ball bounces,
Speaker 4: there's still no bones in ice cream?
Speaker 3: I love?
Speaker 1: Are you sure that's the rhyme? You never heard that
Speaker 1: no matter how many times the ball balances, there's still
Speaker 1: no bones in ice cream? Why would he make that up? Well?
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 5: On my Piland and queens iPod.
Speaker 1: Oh, that line is always like the dope there's the
Speaker 1: dopeest shit to me because I still don't know what
Speaker 1: technically what it means.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I want the lady to be in a drink. Yes, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm going to the next one.
Speaker 3: Fresh Prince, well Jesse, just on the Fresh Prince, Rob
Speaker 3: bass and easy rock.
Speaker 5: Oh man, all right, I have to say rob based
Speaker 5: and easy rock. I know you're grabbing the dress, but
Speaker 5: I can't. I mean, I've done hundreds of shows.
Speaker 1: It Takes Two is probably one of the most iconic
Speaker 1: hip hop bric. Here's the thing.
Speaker 6: On some levels, some people were saying that Bust to
Speaker 6: Move was based on It Takes Too. There wasn't a
Speaker 6: lady singing in a hook until It Takes Too and
Speaker 6: that came out before Busting Move, you know what I mean. Now,
Speaker 6: I know the difference of it. It's a different style
Speaker 6: different but in terms of single rapper rapping over a
Speaker 6: break beat, you know, somewhat melodic female singing over one
Speaker 6: hundred and ten beats a minute, there wasn't that much
Speaker 6: of that then if you're talking eighty eight eighty nine,
Speaker 6: So there was definitely some influence.
Speaker 1: Just straight feel good record. Yeah, well that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's what it is.
Speaker 6: And just to go off on a little tangent when
Speaker 6: people talk about keeping it real, if I was to
Speaker 6: change my name, start cursing and records whatever, that wouldn't
Speaker 6: be keeping it real to me. I have thirty five
Speaker 6: thirty seven years. I'm not cussing in records. Make it
Speaker 6: feel good party records, that's my real.
Speaker 1: You're rock kill.
Speaker 6: So that's the thing when you and the doc joint,
Speaker 6: when you brought up that he didn't swear. I didn't
Speaker 6: realize he didn't swear.
Speaker 1: He's so good.
Speaker 3: I realized it either, I did.
Speaker 6: I didn't realize it isn't cursing his records. I'm like, man,
Speaker 6: if I could be, if I could get it like
Speaker 6: that where people didn't notice, that's dope, Okay. Beastie Boys
Speaker 6: are the fat Boys.
Speaker 1: Oh, Beastie Boys, dude, and the Beastie Boys.
Speaker 6: For several reasons, the Dust Brothers produced No how So,
Speaker 6: before the Dust Brothers produced a beast Boys, I had
Speaker 6: a couple of records on with them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so there was a link there.
Speaker 6: I want to say Tamra Davis and if I'm messing
Speaker 6: up names, she she was affiliated with the with with
Speaker 6: the Beastie Boys, and she directed I want to I
Speaker 6: think she did the Principal's Office video. So, and and
Speaker 6: there would be clubs in La and plays in La.
Speaker 6: What I see I see them running around and this
Speaker 6: is right after they.
Speaker 1: Moved right love Boutique. I feel that, well, they'd have to.
Speaker 6: To work with the Dust Brothers, right, so, and and
Speaker 6: that that that's like a sample heaven hell record. There's
Speaker 6: so many samples on her. It's a groundbreaking record in
Speaker 6: terms of production. So that's why I would say Beastie
Speaker 6: Boys because there were so many things they did as
Speaker 6: a group, but in terms of my own personal experience,
Speaker 6: what they were able to do in that hip hop
Speaker 6: space with guys that i'd work with, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean?
Speaker 1: It was it was Special Battlecat or DJ Quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Oh, I haven't thought this long in a minute.
Speaker 1: What's the name of his drink, Cousin Francis, Cousin Francis.
Speaker 4: And you could get a Cousin Norri when you get
Speaker 4: when you added a little bit of baka, it's called
Speaker 4: a Cousin Norri.
Speaker 6: Now all right, I gotta say quick, I gotta say
Speaker 6: I gotta say DJ Quick. He he is such an
Speaker 6: inspiration to me, and also he has let me know
Speaker 6: you know how he's been inspired by me.
Speaker 5: Amg is A is a close friend in his crew.
Speaker 6: I saw them at at at a couple at a
Speaker 6: couple of shows recently, and that that whole crew is
Speaker 6: just a great representation of West Coast hip hop to me,
Speaker 6: and I feel a lot of the same journey, even
Speaker 6: though battle Cat did DJ for me way way back
Speaker 6: in the day. A lot of battle Cat's more recent success,
Speaker 6: I haven't been Party two as much as I have
Speaker 6: Quick and just his journey as an artist, him as
Speaker 6: a lyricist, like this part of me that will put
Speaker 6: Quick in my top five in turn, because he's so
Speaker 6: underrated artist and producer or just artists. As an MC,
Speaker 6: he's so underrated. I can go off on another tangent
Speaker 6: if you want, but the change. Okay, you're a Jet fan. Continue,
Speaker 6: you're you're a Jet fan. It's horrible, that hard, it's hardy. Yes,
Speaker 6: I am a Jet fan. Last year, me and my
Speaker 6: wife were taken to and we did my fiance at
Speaker 6: the time, but my wife. Now, we were invited to
Speaker 6: go see the Jets play the Raiders in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: Okay it sounds horrible. Yeah.
Speaker 6: One of my good friends, uh, Brad, Brad Armstrong owns
Speaker 6: it owns a bunch of roller rinks, has season tickets.
Speaker 6: If you ever wants a Raiders game. You see the
Speaker 6: guy that holds up the fist, that's my man, Brad.
Speaker 6: So he had he has season tickets. Can you get
Speaker 6: us in? I go wearing a Quincy Williams jersey. My
Speaker 6: wife goes in an Xavier Gibson jersey to show you
Speaker 6: how current. If you know the squad, you know that
Speaker 6: those are those are high players from the last like
Speaker 6: year or two.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out where the story going.
Speaker 6: He takes us to the tailgating in Raider Alley in Vegas.
Speaker 6: All they're banging is Bay shit. You're hearing like like
Speaker 6: we're still in Oakland. DJ's had the best tackles of
Speaker 6: my life.
Speaker 5: But people look at me because we're the only ones
Speaker 5: in jet jerseys walking out later Alley.
Speaker 6: Superper every no, everybody was respectful. But the bottom line
Speaker 6: was I heard a whole bunch of West Coast I
Speaker 6: mean a whole bunch of bass stuff, to the point
Speaker 6: where the new records that I'm putting out, people have said,
Speaker 6: why do you have such a Bay influence on your music?
Speaker 5: Because that experienced this so much for me.
Speaker 6: But the only artist that I heard that I recognized
Speaker 6: was Quick Over something that sounded like down down down
Speaker 6: but wasn't down down down, but it was our see
Speaker 6: an older record, but it was able to just go
Speaker 6: with all the base stuff and quicks not from the bay.
Speaker 6: But there's such a respect for him and his stuff
Speaker 6: blends so well and keeps a vibe going that always
Speaker 6: stuck with me. Like what he can do in terms
Speaker 6: of opening doors and and and and getting into places
Speaker 6: with his music.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's really impressive.
Speaker 1: No, production wise, he's incredible. Yeah. Is that story?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Is that story true? That he locked himself And I
Speaker 5: never asked him this, I should have, but.
Speaker 6: That he had locked that he had locked himself in
Speaker 6: the studio or locked himself, you know, down with his
Speaker 6: equipment for two years to learn how to play.
Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna take this clip and we're gonna show
Speaker 3: you're gonna ask you a question.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, no, because because it's obvious that he's an
Speaker 6: amazing player. But I know some guys that were classically
Speaker 6: trained and alight, and and that was.
Speaker 1: That was the story.
Speaker 6: That was the story that that he was literally you know,
Speaker 6: put himself in front of his equipment for over a year,
Speaker 6: not if not two years to learn how to get
Speaker 6: better as a producer and then just came out came
Speaker 6: out with you know, with with his sound.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's that's dope, that's dope. Okay, got it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: got the next one? You m TV raps or Music
Speaker 1: Video Box all y'all could drink both, Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: Video Video Music Box, Ralph McDaniels, vig Kid influenced me
Speaker 6: while I was still in New York, before I even
Speaker 6: went to college. Your MTV Raps was more of an
Speaker 6: influence once I got to LA and was able to
Speaker 6: come back with a hit record. So it's really two
Speaker 6: different parts of my life that you're asking me to to,
Speaker 6: you know. So, I'm not gonna say, oh, the later
Speaker 6: part when when the record blew up, is better than
Speaker 6: the early part because I was influenced by Video Music Box,
Speaker 6: Oh Channel forty seven, you know what I'm saying that
Speaker 6: that was my that was my thing. But then MTV now,
Speaker 6: MTV jams everybody and that cable. I'm on a road
Speaker 6: for a lot of it, but I saw the influence
Speaker 6: of it, and then when they allowed them to get
Speaker 6: everybody in hip hop on there, that was serious. That's
Speaker 6: when MTV was at their peak and hip hop was
Speaker 6: really getting established. So if you talk about hip hop
Speaker 6: on a global scale, and I'm sorry, your TV Raps
Speaker 6: did a lot more from that. Yeah, Okay, Soul Trained
Speaker 6: or Apollo m I'd say soul trained. I'd say soul
Speaker 6: trained because in terms of exposing you know, the joke
Speaker 6: I have is like people like like black people can
Speaker 6: tell a space and time if you say, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's right. Around the year It's soul people started, Soul
Speaker 6: Train started letting white people on. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 6: like every every every person who watched Soul Train be like,
Speaker 6: I remember that. So Soul Train did more for me
Speaker 6: in terms of exposing more people to more music.
Speaker 5: The Apollo.
Speaker 6: It was like you went into an arena, you did
Speaker 6: your stuff, But in terms of exposing people to music,
Speaker 6: it was less about that as it was about just
Speaker 6: the personality of the Apollo to me, Yeah, yeah, intimidating place.
Speaker 1: Paying your dues, like paying your dues.
Speaker 6: The story I'll tell my second album, This is during
Speaker 6: the time when we have dancers. So I think I
Speaker 6: had either four or six dancers at the time, and
Speaker 6: I'm doing my song. I want to say is that's
Speaker 6: that's the way that goes, And there's a little break
Speaker 6: in there, so I get the crowd hype during my
Speaker 6: break and realize that I've gotten so hyped that my
Speaker 6: next verses started and yeah, throw your hand, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, try not to show that you made
Speaker 6: a mistake. I picked up my verse from the choreography,
Speaker 6: fifth line, they walk back, I say this boom jump
Speaker 6: right in. Nobody ever missed it. But it was my
Speaker 6: nerves of being on the Apollo. But then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm capable of doing that. So they was pulling people
Speaker 6: back then, they wasn't gonna pull me. Oh you said
Speaker 6: boot I thought what she meant, pole like literally like,
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, they've always wow people.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I got booze.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't think I did, but I would have if
Speaker 6: I had just stopped then. But I literally was able
Speaker 6: to pick up the verse from the choreography. So that's
Speaker 6: my apollo story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, boom boom Queen Latifa or MC light.
Speaker 6: Oh man, I gotta say, Queen Latifa, me and me
Speaker 6: and me and down go back, dude.
Speaker 1: This is my mark.
Speaker 6: The forty five King marked. The forty five King was
Speaker 6: my inspiration when I was still in Queen's So we're talking,
Speaker 6: you know, fifteen sixteen, seventeen years old, before I went
Speaker 6: to college before any record deals, before anything, and I
Speaker 6: can tell you that the thing about the record deal too,
Speaker 6: that says another New York to La thing. But Mark
Speaker 6: the forty five King was my was a big inspiration
Speaker 6: to me. And to see what he did with Queen
Speaker 6: Latifa at the at the Jump, and I knew her
Speaker 6: his Dana, you know what I mean. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: empty Light, I met emc Light, I want to say,
Speaker 6: as I was coming up, and to this day she's
Speaker 6: still really good friends with good friends of mine. But
Speaker 6: but in terms of my personal influence, i'd have to
Speaker 6: say Latifa.
Speaker 1: So you knew her personally, I just called a Dana man.
Speaker 5: But but I knew her as that, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. I knew her as that.
Speaker 6: So it's like whether it be I don't know if
Speaker 6: it was parties or you know, functions events, whatever, but
Speaker 6: we would you know, we ran into each other, you know,
Speaker 6: from back then.
Speaker 3: They just had an incredible show at the Hollywood Bowl
Speaker 3: with the Roots. Okay, yeah, it looked incredible. Lats it
Speaker 3: was I think the Roots Picnic on the road.
Speaker 1: Oh real, Latifa. I believe Light was.
Speaker 3: There, Ammonie was there the far side was there dress
Speaker 3: black sheep, it was.
Speaker 1: It looked incredible just real quick.
Speaker 6: You guys had Cassidy on and when I saw Cassie
Speaker 6: J Cassidy along with Steve Rifkin.
Speaker 1: So when I saw DJ.
Speaker 6: Cassidy's episode, I texted him because he mentioned a record
Speaker 6: store called Rock and Soul and he would have been
Speaker 6: going there mid nineties, I guess something like that early
Speaker 6: in that era.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to that record store.
Speaker 6: In nineteen eighty three, nineteen eighty three, nineteen eighty fourth,
Speaker 6: the worst I DJ my own prom in eighty five.
Speaker 6: So I was DJ and getting records from there, buying
Speaker 6: everything on def jam like, oh.
Speaker 1: It's got that, this got, this got the you know,
Speaker 1: the the Burgundy label Boom give it to me.
Speaker 6: And the dude that introduced me to the guys that
Speaker 6: delicious worked at Rock and Soul, guy named er So.
Speaker 1: And it goes that far back.
Speaker 6: And I'm going to school at ninety fourth and Park
Speaker 6: detoured my way to go to thirty six and seventh
Speaker 6: before I got on it, before.
Speaker 5: Before I went home.
Speaker 1: Now I'm good. Why you gonna try? I gotta try
Speaker 1: sometimes there. Now you think I'm getting enough of a content.
Speaker 1: You see something. He said. I know this is indicative
Speaker 1: of an era.
Speaker 3: There was an era of MC's that were DJs before
Speaker 3: there were MC oh, yeah, yes, and yes he did.
Speaker 1: From a certain era.
Speaker 3: Where DJ's first, and I don't know it made a
Speaker 3: certain kind of MC being DJs.
Speaker 1: Well see, And that's the thing.
Speaker 6: That's why I don't get why today everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 6: you hear a beat and you just jump on and
Speaker 6: it's like, no, like I hear the whole record, So
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna hear somebody's beat and be like, oh,
Speaker 6: I got to write something. I gotta get inspired. The
Speaker 6: whole way through while thing was like, here's the beat.
Speaker 6: You need to write a record, call this to this.
Speaker 5: Go none of this.
Speaker 6: I can't rhyme over this, or I can't write to this,
Speaker 6: or I can't get an idea. Can you slow it down?
Speaker 6: Can you change the sample? Can you know that's the beat?
Speaker 6: Go do it four times platinum? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: Like bust to move here here It is the only
Speaker 6: thing I did. I called it make that move when
Speaker 6: I wrote it down, and they changed the bust to
Speaker 6: move ninety minutes. All four verses don't change the word
Speaker 6: double platinum, Grammy, you know what I'm saying. I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna be like, oh I heard this beat, now I'm
Speaker 6: gonna come up with this. No, I gotta hear the
Speaker 6: whole thing. I have to hear the whole record going on.
Speaker 1: Please don't hate me, but I just want to go back.
Speaker 1: You didn't get published on.
Speaker 6: Those records, not on why I thing bust the move
Speaker 6: I published. Okay, yeah, so you can sleep good at night.
Speaker 3: I just I'm killing I'm like, man, if the published
Speaker 3: tem you would have had it intact.
Speaker 1: All those records.
Speaker 6: Even though I'm gonna say this, but I can't go
Speaker 6: deep into NDAs and all that.
Speaker 5: Y'all know where reversion is. Yeah, thirty five.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so so I only did half, but my
Speaker 6: thirty five year was in May, so it includes those.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, let's make some noise for that. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: legends on here waiting for that thirty fifty Yeah I know, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: trust me to.
Speaker 6: I feel so fortunate that I'm I still have my
Speaker 6: wits about me, that I can still go on stage
Speaker 6: and rocket crowd and experience it.
Speaker 5: That's why that happened. I'm like, oh, I can make
Speaker 5: new music.
Speaker 6: Now, not that I couldn't before, but it's not I
Speaker 6: don't have the pressure of like make the music, got
Speaker 6: to sell this amount, got to make this. You know,
Speaker 6: I can actually plan something, especially in this era where
Speaker 6: it's a wild West out there in terms of records. Yes,
Speaker 6: but I'm definitely you know, I'm gonna keep in touch
Speaker 6: with all.
Speaker 4: Because literally you could literally now give your music to
Speaker 4: your family, like as like a trust funds.
Speaker 1: It is like actually ill, yeah, I mean well.
Speaker 6: And the funny thing is the reversion is different than
Speaker 6: than than than selling catalogs with the real big numbers.
Speaker 6: So in terms of catalog ownership, I still have, you know,
Speaker 6: my portions of my catalog that I but my thought
Speaker 6: in making new music is that that not only increases
Speaker 6: the value of the new music obviously, but increases the value.
Speaker 1: Of the whole catalog.
Speaker 6: My one of my biggest strengths in the music business
Speaker 6: has been licensing, and part of the reason of that
Speaker 6: is that it's just me. I don't sample, but my
Speaker 6: voice is almost like a sample. Like I can get
Speaker 6: the voice, same voice that was on Bust to Move,
Speaker 6: but I don't have to pay six figures for the
Speaker 6: license from the big company, I can get a new record,
Speaker 6: a different record, a record that even sounds more like
Speaker 6: what I want my movie to sound like, and have
Speaker 6: that voice on it.
Speaker 5: All of my albums, really all all all of my subsequent.
Speaker 6: Albums, because even and even Relentless, I've gotten licenses on
Speaker 6: but all of my albums were able to be paid
Speaker 6: for by licenses without any shows. If I never did
Speaker 6: a show, I would have still made money on the
Speaker 6: album just from licenses. And this is this is going
Speaker 6: through like six seven albums outside of Stone Karaman, Brainstorm,
Speaker 6: what's the flavor? Six seven albums that I've made since then,
Speaker 6: since ninety three, everything is paid for itself from getting licenses,
Speaker 6: everything from Honorage on down.
Speaker 4: So were you saying, when they played your music and
Speaker 4: do where's my car? They have to negotiate with you.
Speaker 5: No, that's the point. Okay, if they, if they, if they,
Speaker 5: if they put us to move and do where's my car?
Speaker 5: They negotiating with the label, okay?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: And and the even though I have my publishing, the
Speaker 6: administrative administrator of the publishing, so I don't have much
Speaker 6: of a say. I'm more of a say now post reversion,
Speaker 6: I over say. But up to that point, I don't
Speaker 6: have much of a say.
Speaker 1: My thing is those.
Speaker 6: Negotiations because you have so many people at the table,
Speaker 6: those costs a lot of money. But if I can
Speaker 6: give you something newer and it still has my voice
Speaker 6: on it, I can. You know, all you got to
Speaker 6: do is either call me and my representative. Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 6: Let's you know, let's do it. We'll do it for
Speaker 6: this money. That money, maybe maybe just performance rights cool,
Speaker 6: Just get the record out there, just get And I
Speaker 6: was able to do that literally for half a dozen
Speaker 6: albums and make the money do.
Speaker 1: Because he's the part. I don't understand.
Speaker 4: These these record labels that got dissolved and they don't
Speaker 4: exist no more. Right, why brought up? So the next
Speaker 4: person that buys that, Yeah, oh if.
Speaker 6: If your Rose Wars gets repoted, it's not gonna stay
Speaker 6: on the street, damn.
Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying, Like somebody or somebody with
Speaker 5: some money is going to be like either I'm gonna
Speaker 5: fix it up for myself, I'm gonna sell it, or
Speaker 5: it's gonna just be.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be.
Speaker 6: Part of my garage when the cameras go buy even
Speaker 6: though I can't drive it somebody's gonna do something with it.
Speaker 1: Damn. I never looked at it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I never looked at it, because you know, it's
Speaker 4: crazy with my records. When the labels get sold, what
Speaker 4: happens is one of my most sampled records in the movies.
Speaker 4: For Rell produced them, so for real would negotiate for
Speaker 4: me instead of the labels.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know, Like you just taught me that.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't even know that.
Speaker 4: That's a little a little scary. Well maybe you said
Speaker 4: entourage to they got me too. Oh yeah, but they
Speaker 4: got me.
Speaker 5: But big up to, big up to Mark on that
Speaker 5: because no, he he put in a record called Feel
Speaker 5: the Love, which is a record that I produced, I
Speaker 5: have one hundred percent of and it just literally went
Speaker 5: to my my, my publishing rep. And you know, ye,
Speaker 5: I'll give you this.
Speaker 1: You knew, you knew, would you know? When he was
Speaker 1: Mark Mark? When he heard my play, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, they ain't negotiate with me at all?
Speaker 5: And in all finished, that's that's happened with me before, Like.
Speaker 1: What was it? Uh?
Speaker 6: Blindside? I have I have connections with a lot of
Speaker 6: pr companies that work with the movie studios.
Speaker 5: So I had a rep.
Speaker 6: They said, oh, you need to come to this blind
Speaker 6: Side preview. I didn't know that the song was in
Speaker 6: the movie. Hasn't really integral scene before they get in
Speaker 6: the car accident of the little little white kid and
Speaker 6: and and the football player going back and forth doing
Speaker 6: my lyrics.
Speaker 5: Just really if you look at it, it's really amazing.
Speaker 7: And they didn't tell you that prior to No. Well,
Speaker 7: it's not that they don't have to negotiate with me.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 6: They don't have to ask me releast pre reversion. Yeah,
Speaker 6: having said that, you might get a little worried and
Speaker 6: be like, oh, what if they put you in something
Speaker 6: racist whatever whatever they were on the ride with me,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So they put it in
Speaker 6: something stupid that's costing them more money too. So I've
Speaker 6: just been cool with that. And now, like I said,
Speaker 6: things are, things are shifting and I and you know,
Speaker 6: I'm good.
Speaker 4: Let's make some noise for that. Thank We're still on
Speaker 4: quick chop of slat no no, because we learned a lot, right,
Speaker 4: Uh you got it? Run DMC or the treacherous three
Speaker 4: Run DMC, Dude, run DMC. I can't even treachers three
Speaker 4: inspired me when I was when I was younger, but
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you where they were from. I couldn't
Speaker 4: tell you all the you know, I mean coolm ol
Speaker 4: D obviously a friend run DMC just changed so much,
Speaker 4: especially me as an artist that had a big record
Speaker 4: that crossed over and the like. Plus I grew up
Speaker 4: on once again one hundred ninth and two eleventh so
Speaker 4: I could walk a few But jm Aster J got
Speaker 4: his haircut at the barbershop down the street from my
Speaker 4: house Addison to eleventh.
Speaker 6: There was a barbershop. Jamster Jay got his haircut there.
Speaker 6: So that's that's childhood that's influenced.
Speaker 1: I did it.
Speaker 5: I did it a private with DMC last year. Amazing, dude,
Speaker 5: just I mean, just you want to do.
Speaker 1: In a story.
Speaker 6: Mark Mark from Sugar Ray it was one of his
Speaker 6: good friends. So Mark McGrath, sorry, the must be getting
Speaker 6: a contact. Mark McGrath put on a show with me
Speaker 6: Tone Loak. He was playing and then DMC was playing.
Speaker 6: Mark McGrath and d m C did fight for your
Speaker 6: right to party. And when I say, and this is
Speaker 6: maybe maybe two hundred people, I don't even know. It's
Speaker 6: in a restaurant McGee. If you know the movie movie director,
Speaker 6: it is his restaurant in Huntington Beach or something like that.
Speaker 6: But I taped it all and I chose, I'm like,
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna post any of this. This is just
Speaker 6: I literally was standing three three people back from the
Speaker 6: stage taping and saying, I'm just going to be a
Speaker 6: fan of night. So to go from Hollis to seeing
Speaker 6: something like that, it's like, dmc is. You know, he's
Speaker 6: an economy.
Speaker 1: All of us. D excuse me, he's a dream. Cancelone night.
Speaker 7: Oh okay, biz Marky or odb oh, biz Marquis, dude,
Speaker 7: bis a man.
Speaker 6: This is once again you talk about the rest in
Speaker 6: peace Bismarqui. We did it, yes, rest in peace both.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: Biz Marquis did probably one hundred hundred and fifty nineties
Speaker 6: shows with me, so in Biz Marquis, I don't Me
Speaker 6: and m Walk had this discussion. We didn't realize that
Speaker 6: we both were in the New Music Seminar in nineteen
Speaker 6: eighty eight. I think KD has sent him and Delicious
Speaker 6: Vinyl has sent me and I went up I forget
Speaker 6: who I went up against, but I know it was
Speaker 6: better than him, but I still lost. Biz marquis out
Speaker 6: of all and he's an idol of mine. At the time,
Speaker 6: bis Marque came up to me and say, you know
Speaker 6: you won that battle. I'm just letting you know I
Speaker 6: saw that you won that battle. Thank you, Biz, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. And we get to talking and
Speaker 6: watching one of the greatest experiences I had. It did
Speaker 6: a halftime for the Carolina Panthers, myself, Rob based Bismarcky.
Speaker 6: I want to say, Rob went first and I went second,
Speaker 6: and they broke into you got what I need? And
Speaker 6: the loudest response from the crowd, regardless of how much
Speaker 6: bust to Move and the other records we're sold, people
Speaker 6: responding to you got what I need?
Speaker 5: With Bismarkey up there at a halftime.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. So it's rest and peace of both.
Speaker 6: Yes, Sir Trench or red Man Tretch, Tretch for God
Speaker 6: for so many reasons, like once again, like I said,
Speaker 6: you go through highs and lows in the business and
Speaker 6: the like. Tretch has always been kind, supportive, positive with me,
Speaker 6: like he appreciates what I do. You know what I do,
Speaker 6: what I've been through as an artist, Naughty isn't going
Speaker 6: out together anymore, right, so Tretch is going out himself.
Speaker 6: When Trench was was gonna go solo and start doing
Speaker 6: this thing, it almost makes me tear up. He can
Speaker 6: to me and was asking me questions about being a
Speaker 6: solo artist on stage, being the only one without anybody
Speaker 6: passing on and you know whatever, passing back and forth
Speaker 6: and whatever. And we had a legit discussion about that,
Speaker 6: and I'm hoping that I helped him with that. He's
Speaker 6: he's amazing solo now. But Tretch is a dude that
Speaker 6: it's like, whenever I see him, it's good.
Speaker 1: He's a top TIERMC. Oh yeah, no, if you hear.
Speaker 6: Because I'm an Eminem fan, when you hear what Eminem
Speaker 6: says about Tretch that even with my eyes more where
Speaker 6: I go back and listen and say, because Eminem has
Speaker 6: done stuff that has inspired me in terms of what's
Speaker 6: possible lyrically, but he Eminem says a lot about about
Speaker 6: Tretch doing that for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think tretches Overloo because he's in a group,
Speaker 3: but he's an LMC by himself.
Speaker 7: Well that's the thing I mean, and he wrote so
Speaker 7: much of it. Yeah, yeah, definitely Okay kress or Coolgi
Speaker 7: rap O.
Speaker 6: Krs krus I actually did Sli and Robbie the Jamaican duo.
Speaker 6: Jamaica's not tonight. We've been waiting for it.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 5: I did, Yeah, Ponder River.
Speaker 6: I did two records which line Robbie called Living a
Speaker 6: Lion under Arrest, to the point where when I went
Speaker 6: overseas and I was doing Bust to Move, people were
Speaker 6: calling for those records in Germany. Both of those records
Speaker 6: were produced by kr S one and and and and
Speaker 6: those songs almost didn't happen because there was there was
Speaker 6: legal stuff with Delicious not wanting me to do it,
Speaker 6: but I was fighting for it. They knew my Jamaican background,
Speaker 6: krs knew my Jamaican background, and I had done nothing
Speaker 6: in terms of outside other than maybe same gang. I
Speaker 6: don't even know what came first, but I just had
Speaker 6: that not done much outside of Delicious and Yeah, Living
Speaker 6: a Line under Arrest Island records produced by Terrists one
Speaker 6: Slam Robbie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to I love this history.
Speaker 6: I'm thankful for this because I never get to discuss
Speaker 6: a lot of this stuff like you have.
Speaker 5: You bring it up and I'm like, oh, yeah, you
Speaker 5: didn't do that, like thirty seven years didn't go for nothing.
Speaker 4: Because you know why these young dudes they put everything
Speaker 4: on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, but that makes you nothing at all. Everything.
Speaker 4: But I said, I always say that, I say, yo,
Speaker 4: I love interviewing people that didn't have Instagram, Like I love.
Speaker 1: That, Okay, DMX a big pun rest and peace of both.
Speaker 5: I didn't.
Speaker 6: I never met either one of them. My man wants
Speaker 6: to drink too, Larry. I will say DMX, and I
Speaker 6: say DMX for this reason. Of every MC that has
Speaker 6: ever picked up a microphone, nobody improves the quantity of
Speaker 6: a beat like DMX DMX. DMX could could run over
Speaker 6: a finger snap and it slaps. That's DMX, never met
Speaker 6: him whatever, you know, all the stuff around.
Speaker 5: That's what I try and do.
Speaker 6: It's so amazing to me how many of my friends
Speaker 6: or people go, oh, I make tracks for it because
Speaker 6: everybody wants to run over my tracks. Is I have
Speaker 6: an ability to at least take your track to a
Speaker 6: certain level. DMX could take any track to the highest
Speaker 6: level from an MC.
Speaker 1: Here in that his style, his approach, the passion he
Speaker 1: brings to the.
Speaker 5: Unparalleled no one else could do it, so it's got
Speaker 5: got to be.
Speaker 1: You. You know, that's probably the only thing.
Speaker 4: He said it just now, like and I know we're
Speaker 4: going to try to get Scott Storch for in a second,
Speaker 4: but but he said it just now. I really literally
Speaker 4: looked at my phone, caught the your max and I
Speaker 4: just forgot you know what I'm saying that.
Speaker 5: You know, you know what you know, it's hard to
Speaker 5: be honest. Do you want to erase?
Speaker 3: And then?
Speaker 4: And then so I'll type let you finish, because the
Speaker 4: fans is going to say, I don't erase my dad
Speaker 4: at homies numbers. I don't know why. I have a
Speaker 4: cousin I don't And it was crazy my bathroot you.
Speaker 4: But you know, it's crazy sometimes if you know, you know,
Speaker 4: your ghost dial or hate somebody by mistake, and then
Speaker 4: they'll start talking.
Speaker 1: You realize that this.
Speaker 4: Person that's that's they took your homies number, that's not
Speaker 4: even who you're talking to.
Speaker 1: So that's it is scary. I have a cousin about
Speaker 1: how we got here.
Speaker 6: I have a cousin named Colin who lives in Baltimore.
Speaker 6: So we touch, you know, touch base text, you know,
Speaker 6: holidays whatever. But I'll type CEO and I'll see Coolio
Speaker 6: come up, and I'm like, you know what I mean, I'm.
Speaker 5: Not gonna take it out. It hurts me to see it.
Speaker 5: But that's my man in my phone.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But yeah, you ever ever like did what I just said,
Speaker 1: like ghost Texas somebody? Dude? You know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of in my phone like like like you know, like
Speaker 1: it down.
Speaker 4: That's how I said ghost bad it's plucking out. And
Speaker 4: when I was looking, I look and I'll see somebody
Speaker 4: like usually I know, been dead for ten years. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and the answer because you got to you gotta remember
Speaker 4: that number, like you said, but the Rose voice that number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone else policies up and and uses it. Sure
Speaker 1: so that it is.
Speaker 5: Luckily luckily that hasn't Luckily that hasn't happened to me.
Speaker 1: God bless, God bless. You want the next one? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And by the way, what was Charlie's drinking juice? Note
Speaker 1: you're to drink it. He's running through that bottle. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Man. You can
Speaker 1: try it.
Speaker 3: Man, it's good. Actually, this is a good batch. Actually,
Speaker 3: Marvin Gay or Al Green.
Speaker 5: Wow, y'all could drink.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that he's loud and joining us. I
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 5: Marvin Gay, you know, let's get it on with it
Speaker 5: in terms of the hits.
Speaker 6: But Al Green, with me growing as a producer and
Speaker 6: seeing what some of those records were and what they did,
Speaker 6: I wasn't as big of an Al Green fan when
Speaker 6: he was out, But the more I've learned about music,
Speaker 6: I've become more of an Al Green fan.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I will say both. I love how he
Speaker 1: answers everything so musically correct. I love it, Thank you man.
Speaker 1: He is very accurately.
Speaker 5: I'm fighting for the drink champ guts that don't drink.
Speaker 4: We have to put that out of that. The people
Speaker 4: who don't drink on drink. Money Love or Rock sand Chante.
Speaker 1: Money Love.
Speaker 5: Money Love had a cadence and I think she still
Speaker 5: goes out because I.
Speaker 6: Mean, up until this current crop of female rappers, for decades,
Speaker 6: money Love was the most intricate speed rapper as a female,
Speaker 6: and it was like boom boom, boom boom. They mean
Speaker 6: there's certain you know, there's certain levels to it, and
Speaker 6: I try and prod myself on it that regardless of
Speaker 6: how how fast I rhyme that you can understand me.
Speaker 6: But money love, money love, money lover is right there.
Speaker 6: By the way, since we talked about fast rapper, shout
Speaker 6: out to Twister, Twisted with Twister would be in my
Speaker 6: top five.
Speaker 1: But guns but twist a followed duty. Huh when we
Speaker 1: come to speedwat twist was after you correct.
Speaker 3: But twisted chip food from the fus niggens.
Speaker 6: I won't even lie. Twister does stuff with consonants that
Speaker 6: I've never heard. I mean, there's other guys that come close.
Speaker 6: But the way he hits some of his syllables.
Speaker 7: Console nanse like vowels, the opposite of those.
Speaker 1: Know what that means. It's the opposite of vowel, opposite
Speaker 1: of vowels.
Speaker 5: Ask your protot in Queens, you know.
Speaker 6: But but I will say when I'm when I want
Speaker 6: to see if my my my rap scale is still
Speaker 6: on I.
Speaker 1: Due to pope en verse.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, well, the motherfucker might be brocused and they
Speaker 5: can let the no broken this.
Speaker 6: But I spin Madgate like I'm out for the Pokas
Speaker 6: just to get the hose with the open list of
Speaker 6: the provoking hips.
Speaker 5: And that said, like when I when I do that
Speaker 5: when when when I hear that, that.
Speaker 6: Is such a level of artistry and like not just
Speaker 6: rhyming fast and say I'm rhyming fast, but what he
Speaker 6: does with cadence, it's like, oh man, it's like just
Speaker 6: to grab a little of that. And like, like you said,
Speaker 6: if I wasn't to write to for easy when I'm
Speaker 6: quoting something like that on mine cursing, Now, Young MC
Speaker 6: is not gonna curse in his records, you know. But
Speaker 6: Young MC and Marvin the raft Fann are two different people,
Speaker 6: that's at times.
Speaker 7: But go ahead, Big Ei or Big L, Big Eie,
Speaker 7: Biggie Man, Biggie just and I love Big L, you know,
Speaker 7: but Biggie, it's just you talk about level of influence,
Speaker 7: and especially Biggie was blowing up at a time when
Speaker 7: when other regions were dominating you you would know, being
Speaker 7: being from the East Coast, So there was a time
Speaker 7: when Biggie was representing the East Coast, especially in records
Speaker 7: that crossing.
Speaker 6: I mean, he was, you know, flagwaving for bad Boy
Speaker 6: and all that that. You know, they I gotta respect that.
Speaker 1: That's real, that's real.
Speaker 3: This is a good one right here.
Speaker 1: You ticket there, drink champs, uh favorite Prince or MJ.
Speaker 1: If you've got stories, we want them.
Speaker 6: Okay, before I give the answer, I'll give you the
Speaker 6: stories and I'll i'll say I love that.
Speaker 1: Let's get it to it.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna pick one.
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: If y'all want to drink now just to drink, y'all can,
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna pick one drink.
Speaker 1: We'll get a regular drink. Jamie.
Speaker 6: Right when Heavy Heavy D had guested on a Michael
Speaker 6: jack track, and around that time, I don't think it
Speaker 6: was the same track, but around that time I had
Speaker 6: gotten you know, I had heard that there was some
Speaker 6: interest in me guesting on a Michael Jackson track, and
Speaker 6: my manager at the time was trying to get money.
Speaker 1: Out of him, out of Michael Jackson, out.
Speaker 6: Of Michael Jackson's camp, because I was getting paid for everything, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 6: and I never was able to get into it where
Speaker 6: I could say, y'all all do it for free, just
Speaker 6: for the look or whatever. That's one of our biggest regrets,
Speaker 6: because I'm not big on guesting, but there's certain things
Speaker 6: that where if you're gonna guess, you just do it. Michael, Yeah,
Speaker 6: so and obviously I mean, thriller off the Wall, just musically,
Speaker 6: just amazing. So you're saying front Michael Jackson just like, well,
Speaker 6: that's part of the reason. I don't know, that's part
Speaker 6: of the reason I reap myself.
Speaker 5: Now they won't be me.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing.
Speaker 5: By the way, you would know it was an artist
Speaker 5: if you said this so nicely.
Speaker 1: But it's like if you if you're manager, Michael.
Speaker 6: If you're manager, somebody in your camp, okay, makes a
Speaker 6: decision you don't agree with. Then it comes back and
Speaker 6: people are pointing at you because you're the.
Speaker 5: Face of it.
Speaker 1: That is a fact, you know what I'm saying. That
Speaker 1: is a fact.
Speaker 5: That's what I wanted to kind of avoid.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me Mike called management.
Speaker 5: I don't know if Mike co management, but there was
Speaker 5: Mike's team.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well, yes, Mike's teams called and what did
Speaker 1: they like?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: No, No, it all got to me later. Okay, it
Speaker 6: all got to me. I'm out touring, I'm out, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. Oh got to me later that
Speaker 6: it didn't happen, but it could have happened.
Speaker 3: To be fair to your team, they probably like Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: There's money here, there's a Michael's not gonna do.
Speaker 3: Something for free for somebody else, right, So let's just
Speaker 3: make a business for any young artist or any artists
Speaker 3: listening right now. Evaluate the artist that's asking, and this
Speaker 3: is for the team the artist, because.
Speaker 1: For you, you would have made that money one hundred
Speaker 1: folds over the shine. The shine is a shine.
Speaker 3: Or if you had the publishing on whatever you did
Speaker 3: on or or performing the record or whatever, you would
Speaker 3: have made that money.
Speaker 6: That's the thing, especially looking back now, there was a
Speaker 6: time when people had longer attention spans where if you
Speaker 6: just did your guest spots, you know, your your get
Speaker 6: your guest verses on records, it would seem like a
Speaker 6: choppy show. Now, if you were to just go do
Speaker 6: your guest verses and they were all known, that'd be
Speaker 6: a that'd be a banging show, especially the younger people.
Speaker 6: So to think that like I could I could pull
Speaker 6: a verse out from Michael Jackson record the same way
Speaker 6: I could pull out my verse from all.
Speaker 5: In the same gang and just throw it up and
Speaker 5: people would know it. Come on, man, come on.
Speaker 6: So that's Michael Jackson Prince playing all the instruments Prince.
Speaker 5: I met him, met him, he.
Speaker 1: Knew who I was. Dude tuned in though both of
Speaker 1: them were. Problem is this ass out prince or this
Speaker 1: regular prince?
Speaker 5: He didn't. He didn't have his ass out when I.
Speaker 1: Saw let's let's continue. That's right.
Speaker 6: I'm in Larrby West b off of I think Santa
Speaker 6: Monica and he's in Larrby West A. So I saw
Speaker 6: him in the studio I see I think it was
Speaker 6: bar one. I see him in I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: If he made it to Roxbury. I was in Roxbury
Speaker 5: four nights.
Speaker 1: A week when.
Speaker 6: But yeah, and it just just inspiration. Actually I did
Speaker 6: see him in roxs Yeah, I did see him in Roxbury.
Speaker 4: Okay, So now when you're say in Roxbury you took
Speaker 4: him about the club that's iconic club.
Speaker 5: Now here's the funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Live, I live.
Speaker 1: I lived less than a mile away.
Speaker 6: Maybe, I mean I was at Santa Monica and Roxbury
Speaker 6: was at sunset. So part of the reason I never
Speaker 6: got in any crazy trouble was that one I would,
Speaker 6: you know, leave early, you.
Speaker 5: Know, because home was close.
Speaker 6: But if someone said, oh we're going to this person's house,
Speaker 6: most times that person's house was further away from Roxbury
Speaker 6: than my house was, so me going to my house
Speaker 6: would be closer than going deep into Beverly Hills and
Speaker 6: getting into whatever trouble.
Speaker 5: So I just went home. But e Lee was a
Speaker 5: good friend. Tia Carrera.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I would be in Roxbury a lot, and they
Speaker 6: would you know, when when certain public events happened, and
Speaker 6: all lot of just to see the reactions that people
Speaker 6: I'd see in there, I mean Our Sinio would be
Speaker 6: you know, up and there, and they formed a relationship
Speaker 6: with him and be on his show. The All in
Speaker 6: the Same Gang appearance on Our Sinio. That to me
Speaker 6: is an iconic moment, you know what I mean. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Back to that.
Speaker 1: All good. I feel like you shouldmash a lot of
Speaker 1: white girls, you know what. Listen what he didn't say
Speaker 1: about like it was time.
Speaker 2: You know you know what.
Speaker 6: I'll say this out of respect, no right, I respect
Speaker 6: my Early on in my career, I had one wild week. Okay,
Speaker 6: I need to hear, well, we're basically in a while
Speaker 6: week was I didn't say no, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: You give yeah, you said you're a lot sing I'm single,
Speaker 6: the records cracking, you know what I mean, for one week,
Speaker 6: six and six and six cities and seven days. And
Speaker 6: I this is pre internet, pre cell phone. I'm at
Speaker 6: the end of it, like this ain't fun. I'm losing
Speaker 6: phone numbers, you know. And I'm like, that's somebody's daughter,
Speaker 6: that's somebody's sister, you know what I'm saying. So so like,
Speaker 6: and I'm having I'm having these starts at twenty two,
Speaker 6: I'm having these stores.
Speaker 5: So so the next next pretty thing that says something
Speaker 5: to me, it's like I've been through this.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't enjoy that week, so I didn't game.
Speaker 1: He was looking in the mirror like I'm doing number.
Speaker 1: So that's that's that's maybe, you know.
Speaker 6: And and the interesting thing is like my wife now
Speaker 6: chantalas the first time I've been married married, the first
Speaker 6: time I don't gett married at you know, fifty fifty six,
Speaker 6: got married. And I said this in my vows because
Speaker 6: I felt this from the first time I met her.
Speaker 6: And that's how I know she's my you know, know
Speaker 6: that she's my wife, meant to be my wife. I
Speaker 6: look at her and I said, your face looks like
Speaker 6: home to me.
Speaker 1: Like I see pretty one, two three.
Speaker 3: Her.
Speaker 5: I tell her, my face looks like home to me.
Speaker 5: And it's interesting. I said that in my vows and
Speaker 5: Montell said, you should have told me.
Speaker 1: That before the winning I could have wrote a song.
Speaker 6: But it's like, it's that kind of emotional attachment that
Speaker 6: you know that I want to have. It's like even
Speaker 6: leaving her and being away from her for a couple
Speaker 6: of days, I got to go to West Virginia to
Speaker 6: do a show out to this, but I.
Speaker 5: Can't wait to get back and be around her.
Speaker 6: So to me, me knowing that I've waited this long
Speaker 6: to be in a relationship like this, I'm not going
Speaker 6: to see something at a show and be like, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna have those feelings for some random
Speaker 6: person I meet, you know what I mean. So that's
Speaker 6: why it's one while week and I learned. I'm part
Speaker 6: of the reason I'm here is because I learned. I
Speaker 6: wouldn't say for my mistakes, but I learned from my.
Speaker 1: Experiences before your mistakes. Thankfully. Yeah, but I learned.
Speaker 6: I learned before a mistake, but before experience has become
Speaker 6: mistakes exactly.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna keep it be, honey, only one week happens.
Speaker 1: You've been out, You've been out time I've been out,
Speaker 1: I've been out.
Speaker 3: But he would.
Speaker 1: Happened with a record with a big hugs huge. I
Speaker 1: know how trifling your ask. So I do that question,
Speaker 1: but that that that's that's dope, man, because you know
Speaker 1: what I am. I love love.
Speaker 4: So I don't know we're gonna because if he don't
Speaker 4: drink his shot, he will drink it when he comes
Speaker 4: back out.
Speaker 1: Okay. Aretha Franklin or Patti LaBelle m hm.
Speaker 5: Orething dude, Aretha rock Steady, rock Steady is like.
Speaker 6: I put that up as one of the one of
Speaker 6: the best records in terms of the hype, her singing
Speaker 6: the track the chance, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 6: there's the breakbeat in it, just that one record and
Speaker 6: then I mean, you know there's other obviously other big
Speaker 6: things that she's done and the like, but from from
Speaker 6: my hip hop heart Aretha Franklin.
Speaker 1: Okay, I respect that iced tea or ice cube cases
Speaker 1: of the ice.
Speaker 5: Man, both go ahead and drink.
Speaker 1: Me and tea.
Speaker 5: I mean, I haven't seen.
Speaker 1: Tea in ages.
Speaker 4: I like, I like how you call people like you
Speaker 4: got special names to other people.
Speaker 1: But I'm called.
Speaker 5: You know, I just I haven't seen him in a
Speaker 5: long time. But we.
Speaker 1: You gotta take yeah, continue the whole ship.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen him in a long time. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: see in a long time.
Speaker 6: But the influence, the influence that that Colors had, and
Speaker 6: to take that and and and you know that that
Speaker 6: was a massive, massive record on the West Coast, influential,
Speaker 6: eye opening to people that were outside the culture outside
Speaker 6: of l A, didn't know about gang culture.
Speaker 7: There was so much you know that that went with
Speaker 7: that recording that video.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, right.
Speaker 6: And then Cube obviously my experience with him in then
Speaker 6: the w A. What he's been able to do as
Speaker 6: a solo artist is Cuba's Icedy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So it's it's almost although they do overlap, it's almost
Speaker 6: like asking me about two different uh sections of my life.
Speaker 6: Because I knew Iced Tea when he would is an
Speaker 6: established solo artist in l A when I was first
Speaker 6: starting out, and I knew Q at the same time
Speaker 6: as a member of n w A.
Speaker 5: To see him grow to that, so that's why I
Speaker 5: say bo he said both.
Speaker 6: He just took homie shot because you want to keep
Speaker 6: drinking that orange ship.
Speaker 1: Ye, I don't know that that orange don't look good
Speaker 1: at all. That's good, It's really good. It's really good. Good.
Speaker 1: All right, cool, go to the next one. Here we go.
Speaker 1: Did you say, hold one on the ball?
Speaker 3: What up?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: It's young right there, Hey, young MC. When's the last
Speaker 5: time I saw it? When?
Speaker 1: When's the last time I saw you? Through the screens?
Speaker 5: Turn the screen? You're still that?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 5: I'm I'm I'm at drink Champs now I'm doing my episode.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 5: I just can't believe how long it's been since I've
Speaker 5: seen you, since I got out of l A.
Speaker 1: It's been ages.
Speaker 6: Wonderful. Man, Thank you man, Well you get you get
Speaker 6: the same for me. Man, I'm so proud of you
Speaker 6: to see what has developed, you know, with with you
Speaker 6: and your career. And like I was just telling them,
Speaker 6: Colors is one of the most influential records still to
Speaker 6: this day, and I think started the path to what
Speaker 6: we did on all in the same game, culminating with
Speaker 6: what happened with Kendrick get the pop up m.
Speaker 5: But but that that's what all of us were trying
Speaker 5: to do. I know, that's what all in the same
Speaker 5: gang was trying to do.
Speaker 6: Was what Ken Kendrick accomplished in terms of having people
Speaker 6: from different places all up on the same stage like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why it happened.
Speaker 1: But you know it's kind of like West Coast the
Speaker 1: AMA with the enemy, but he was the opponent, right and.
Speaker 2: When the West Coast feels their attack in any kind
Speaker 2: of way, they join up, they lock in, right and
Speaker 2: U you know, the first the first truth happened behind the.
Speaker 1: Police, right right. That happened when the cops, you know.
Speaker 3: With the with the riots and all that, so we
Speaker 3: true stuff.
Speaker 2: But then you know when Kendrick sounded that alarm, says,
Speaker 2: yeah we not he not liked us uh la joined forces,
Speaker 2: which hopefully, you know, we can make that a real thing, not.
Speaker 1: Just a video.
Speaker 5: You know, I think I think it felt so good
Speaker 5: that I think there's more that's gonna come.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you know, and then it has It
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be about anybody or an opponent or
Speaker 2: average It just needs to happen.
Speaker 5: For l a period exactly. I'm gonna give you back
Speaker 5: to nor Yeah, yeah, yeah, ye, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I don't appreciate you man. Thank you so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's loud.
Speaker 4: My brother always I know, yo yo yo, nah, that's
Speaker 4: a legend, you know, you know, skipping around like how
Speaker 4: you said earlier. It was kind of like a moment
Speaker 4: like like like he just said, he was like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's unfortunate because you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: we don't want to see to.
Speaker 1: Do black people beefing, right, we don't.
Speaker 4: We don't want that, right, But now that we've got
Speaker 4: to also look at the good with the bat saw goes.
Speaker 1: Up and there support it without being against.
Speaker 4: But like like I said, it was so crazy that
Speaker 4: when I seen that picture again, I did not know
Speaker 4: that that was rappers.
Speaker 3: I thought it was just people, you mean the group picture,
Speaker 3: the group picture, all the artists, everybody.
Speaker 1: But when I seen that, I was like, that's all
Speaker 1: in the same gang. That's the first thing.
Speaker 4: Maybe my soul is old or maybe I don't care,
Speaker 4: like I was, just like I saw that, and then
Speaker 4: it was like, yo, we got, we got you can
Speaker 4: see and I was like, this is so perfect.
Speaker 1: It's a perfect time.
Speaker 4: And because again you're originally from the East Coast in
Speaker 4: New York, like how we established but you made your
Speaker 4: bones and how you said, you can cut your teeth
Speaker 4: in la.
Speaker 1: So you seeing that.
Speaker 4: I know I asked you something like that earlier, but
Speaker 4: to reiterate it, like when you saw that, what was
Speaker 4: you thinking?
Speaker 5: No, it warmed my heart because that was the whole thing.
Speaker 6: Like I said, like when we recorded all in the
Speaker 6: same gang, there were certain people. You couldn't have all
Speaker 6: the artists in the same studio recorded. You have to
Speaker 6: book appointments. I don't even I don't think I drove myself.
Speaker 6: I think I was picked up, my ship picked up
Speaker 6: taking home. Nobody else there.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I mean. You not gang affiliating.
Speaker 3: People said that, storry. But people said that about the
Speaker 3: artists that were at the pop up. They said the
Speaker 3: same thing, that a lot of those artists and their entourages,
Speaker 3: those sections could not be together. And this is the
Speaker 3: first time that a lot of these people could be together.
Speaker 4: But you know, I did hear that, But I also
Speaker 4: heard that they actually went to rehearsals together.
Speaker 1: The whole the whole vibe, the way it came together.
Speaker 1: Everybody had to be with it, right, they had to
Speaker 1: be with it. He had to unify, right, crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I put I put their west Coat ship together too, bigger,
Speaker 4: bigger man. I see he was Beijing up to.
Speaker 1: Listen, don't talk, buddy, I mean Boys in the Hood.
Speaker 6: Boys in the Hood I went. I went to college
Speaker 6: with John Singles and John. John was one year younger
Speaker 6: than me. So I I remember walking out of Boys
Speaker 6: in the Hood speechless, not only because it's my friend,
Speaker 6: you know, but just to see the drama of it
Speaker 6: coming up, you know, learning about l a uh.
Speaker 1: Through cinema, no, through through living there.
Speaker 3: It was there. Yeah, I was there, so but seeing
Speaker 3: now being depicted as we're saying, walked and.
Speaker 1: Like I said, yeah, I miss I miss John.
Speaker 6: I you know, going to school with John two just
Speaker 6: to see what what he became as a director, it
Speaker 6: was like amazing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, that was simple. Last Banali's Oh that's
Speaker 1: where we're at. Yep. Loyalty or respect.
Speaker 6: Sorry, y'all don't have to drink, but I'm gonna say loyalty.
Speaker 6: And the reason is there's a lot of people that
Speaker 6: can respect you. But you can respect somebody who don't know.
Speaker 6: You can even respect somebody you don't like. But if
Speaker 6: I know somebody is loyal to me, I'm gonna bust
Speaker 6: my ass to make sure they respect me. Because the
Speaker 6: worst position you could be in is someone being loyal
Speaker 6: to you who doesn't respect you Like that's that's that
Speaker 6: is like to me, that is almost like slavery, like
Speaker 6: for servitude, Like I can't leave, like you know, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna show you my loyalty, but I really don't respect you.
Speaker 6: That's that's a mixture of feelings that I can't even
Speaker 6: relate to. So if someone expresses loyalty to me, my
Speaker 6: actions are gonna dictate that hopefully they'll respect me. But
Speaker 6: if someone respects me, I don't know what it's gonna
Speaker 6: take for them to be loyal to me, and I
Speaker 6: probably don't care. But if I know that loyalty is there,
Speaker 6: that's gonna be you know, nourished and cherished, you know,
Speaker 6: with respect.
Speaker 1: He personally give you all the reason to dress.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get the boy, all right, Guys, don't break
Speaker 3: the chair, Charles.
Speaker 1: Make sure.
Speaker 4: I know I actually somewhat of this. Yeah no, because
Speaker 4: you know why we didn't because hip hop changed so much. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like I said, like I said it earlier, like I
Speaker 4: sincerely believe that I would have done hip hop if
Speaker 4: I didn't get paid.
Speaker 1: But then it became a.
Speaker 4: Business and people forced me to think like that forced
Speaker 4: me to want to be in big business as opposed
Speaker 4: to being a big artistry, and I didn't care. This
Speaker 4: is a question that we didn't ask you on Quick
Speaker 4: Time with Slim, And this is me and Efn's question.
Speaker 4: We always you know, part ways on, but we agreed
Speaker 4: to a certain extent. But if you had a chance
Speaker 4: to choose, which you would say independent or you go
Speaker 4: with a major label?
Speaker 5: Today, I would go with an independent, Okay, twenty five
Speaker 5: years ago, I'd go with a major.
Speaker 1: Can't explain that.
Speaker 6: Independence only had so much sway and the the big
Speaker 6: advantage of a majors that they had the money and
Speaker 6: the access to pressing plants, the monopoly. So so if
Speaker 6: if you wanted to sell a million records in a month,
Speaker 6: you couldn't really do that as an inded. You'd have
Speaker 6: to front the money to a pressing plant that didn't
Speaker 6: have something else going on that could make that many records,
Speaker 6: get it out to the stores, and you don't have
Speaker 6: a stick to hit those record stores over the head
Speaker 6: with you and universal you put out a record, they
Speaker 6: don't pay you like yo. You want the next M
Speaker 6: and M. You better pay me on this last one.
Speaker 6: You were an independent and you put a record out
Speaker 6: to the record store and they owe you for couple
Speaker 6: hundred thousand records and you don't have another artist.
Speaker 5: You're waiting on them. So that's why I'd want to
Speaker 5: be with a major. Then now with the.
Speaker 6: Streaming whatever, I'd rather be with an independent. But you
Speaker 6: talk about the business. I make the first record, get
Speaker 6: into a lawsuit with Delicious Vinyl, find out about publishing,
Speaker 6: all this other stuff, make a publishing deal outside with
Speaker 6: Almo Irving. Delicious wanted me, but I took less money
Speaker 6: to go outside. I make a record call. That's the
Speaker 6: will of goes. That was for an artist named Johnny C.
Speaker 5: Johnny C was.
Speaker 6: Either a de facto member or affiliated closely with the
Speaker 6: Ghetto Boys. So I fly to Houston. He's the one
Speaker 6: that they thought would would would crossover, you know, wrap
Speaker 6: a lot I believes I met, I met Yeah, and
Speaker 6: Bush Waken Yeah. So that record ends up not happening.
Speaker 6: But I'm I have a six figure publishing deal that
Speaker 6: I have to fulfill. So that's the way it goes.
Speaker 6: All of a sudden becomes my record even though I
Speaker 6: didn't write it for me. So that's a decision that
Speaker 6: was spurred by business, because I wanted to make sure
Speaker 6: the publishing company that backed.
Speaker 5: Me for you know, ten full songs was made whole.
Speaker 6: When when when the biggest song that I was trying
Speaker 6: to do for the publishing deal didn't happen, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I got I'll put it out.
Speaker 5: It's fine.
Speaker 6: But I know if I had the ability to approach it,
Speaker 6: just as making a record for me, that probably wouldn't
Speaker 6: have been the record. It was a record by necessity
Speaker 6: for business as opposed to being a record for artistry.
Speaker 5: To move Young MC forward. I was just moving the
Speaker 5: business forward.
Speaker 1: So I get it. That was great. That was great.
Speaker 6: I'm so impressed that I'm impressing you, even high and
Speaker 6: drunk impressed.
Speaker 5: That means so much.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you another one, Yes, sir, what is
Speaker 4: your favorite making the record or performing record?
Speaker 5: See we end in the quick Thomas line, I know
Speaker 5: you would. You know what I have to say, both.
Speaker 6: Before he finished the bottle dude, he did before I
Speaker 6: would make the record, saying this sounds good. Let me
Speaker 6: see what it's like on stage. Now I make the
Speaker 6: record excuse me. Now, I make the record knowing what
Speaker 6: the stage is going to be like, this will be
Speaker 6: the part that people call the response that you know
Speaker 6: the bottom end. Literally I was taking I was taking
Speaker 6: my new record to my shows and sound checking it
Speaker 6: and then looking at the monitors that the sunman had
Speaker 6: to see what frequencies needed to be raised or lower,
Speaker 6: putting that in my phone, and then going back and
Speaker 6: doing a session.
Speaker 5: And I would do that two and three times. Tell
Speaker 5: you the song is called loose. This is the cover
Speaker 5: for it. I worked on it for two years, no like,
Speaker 5: no bullshit, and that experience.
Speaker 1: One record, one song, one song and two years.
Speaker 6: But it wasn't like every day whatever whatever. But I'm
Speaker 6: thinking the records done, Oh what if I do this?
Speaker 6: And then the AI component like.
Speaker 5: Oh what if I took the disco theory and I
Speaker 5: made it a character. So all of that stuff was
Speaker 5: over that time, putting all that together.
Speaker 6: But the culmination of that is that I performed that
Speaker 6: record as well or better than anything else that I do.
Speaker 1: And did you have a clear huh? Do I have
Speaker 1: a what? Can we hear this record? Yes? You can?
Speaker 1: You play it on your phone?
Speaker 5: I have a dude, I'm a computer if I mean
Speaker 5: either on I like, he.
Speaker 1: Called you dude all night. I'm what was his name,
Speaker 1: yellow dude? You never nobody ever called you dude. I
Speaker 1: like being due cold nigga. My whole life being cold,
Speaker 1: dude is okay.
Speaker 3: I just want to hear this record, okay, ended master.
Speaker 1: But we can't put into the system like I have
Speaker 1: my computer. I could send somebody there. You got a
Speaker 1: little budget. I don't put it in the system. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I was playing email it to whom the
Speaker 1: first time earlier they were playing, No, he was playing
Speaker 1: from his phone. He was playing from his phone. He got.
Speaker 5: Email it to somebody?
Speaker 1: Right now, what's the what's the copy of paste too?
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 5: If it's if it's.
Speaker 6: A sauce or a garnish. I think it's a good
Speaker 6: thing if you try, and if you're trying to make
Speaker 6: music from screen, you know there's supposedly on on the
Speaker 6: streaming services there there are thousands of records made general
Speaker 6: artists and all that.
Speaker 1: I'm not with that, dude.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at as a tool to enhance.
Speaker 3: What I write, Like auto tunes was a tool that people.
Speaker 5: Use the way I look at it is like this.
Speaker 5: In two thousand and eight, I.
Speaker 6: Finally, after after twenty some odds, you know, twenty eight
Speaker 6: years of rapping, I decided to really look into rhymen
Speaker 6: dictionaries because my thought process was, it's not that the
Speaker 6: words are not in my vocabulary.
Speaker 5: They're just not in my head at the moment I'm
Speaker 5: writing that line.
Speaker 6: But if I was to see someone, I have a
Speaker 6: line of mind and I see a word that rhymes
Speaker 6: with it, that'll spark other lines.
Speaker 5: So I said, let me use that as a tool.
Speaker 5: And I've already written I mean, I've written.
Speaker 6: Multiplanting records in like three different decades at that point.
Speaker 6: So I'm like, okay, let me try and make the
Speaker 6: best of it. Let me, let me, let me, let
Speaker 6: me see what I can do. And I fell in
Speaker 6: love with like the four and eight line couplets in terms.
Speaker 5: Of rhyme and A and then aabb I almost don't
Speaker 5: do that anymore.
Speaker 6: You get to the third line. I want to bring
Speaker 6: back the rhyme again. I have a record called Nocturnal
Speaker 6: made that in O wait has to me the best
Speaker 6: verse that I've ever written in my life. And I
Speaker 6: still for it, at least at my longer shows to
Speaker 6: this day, and it just falls into the same thing of.
Speaker 5: Continuing the rhyme scheme.
Speaker 6: I'm I was doing a nineties show and I'm sound
Speaker 6: checking and I see this dude setting up chairs, young kid,
Speaker 6: maybe twenty, So I start my third verse of Nocturnal.
Speaker 6: I get through four lines. He's bobbing his head. I
Speaker 6: get to the fifth line, continue the rhyme scheme. He
Speaker 6: starts smiling. I get to the ninth line, continue to
Speaker 6: rhyme scheme. He's like almost laughing. I get to the
Speaker 6: thirteenth line. He's looking at me to change it, and
Speaker 6: I don't change it, and he's like, he's dancing now.
Speaker 6: And then I finished the whole verse, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: that's what I want.
Speaker 5: This kid was working. He's like, I was just background
Speaker 5: until I became more than background, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So you want me to spit, I'll spit if you want. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 6: I'm setting the tone for those that were sweating alone.
Speaker 6: You were thinking that your life would just setting the
Speaker 6: stone if it worry about your sins, you better atone,
Speaker 6: because I'd be creeping through the night just like a
Speaker 6: predator drone.
Speaker 1: Let it be known.
Speaker 5: Call your people, get on the phone. Calm your homegirl
Speaker 5: down like you're ready to bone.
Speaker 6: Someone got to lick it up and gave her steady
Speaker 6: patron I can smell it on her body like some
Speaker 6: heavy coloone.
Speaker 5: Let her go home, Put her in the bed on
Speaker 5: her own.
Speaker 6: If she feels sick, let her put her head on
Speaker 6: the throne, because it's better than a stranger trying to
Speaker 6: get her. The moan thought he had a green light.
Speaker 6: That's some redd in the zone. Never be known. Things
Speaker 6: that can never be shown. In the cover of the
Speaker 6: night or the cover was blown. There's a happy ending.
Speaker 6: He had tragedy postponed, but tomorrow night is still unknown.
Speaker 6: It's nocturnal.
Speaker 1: Wo bro, I did that.
Speaker 6: I did that in the show that you Saw Me do. Okay,
Speaker 6: that's one of the records I did in the show
Speaker 6: and show you saw Me do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Let me ask you, yes, sir, have you ever fell
Speaker 7: out of love with hip hop?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 6: Never, nothing, because hip hop has not never been one thing,
Speaker 6: like no one could ever change hip hop for me.
Speaker 1: Hip hop is going to be what it's going to be.
Speaker 6: When I was ten and first winning the Jeff Taylor
Speaker 6: aka grad Master Key's basement on two tenth Street and
Speaker 6: Hollis You.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 6: And I'm rapping over two good times or to bounced
Speaker 6: rock skates, or to walk this ways or two big beats.
Speaker 1: That feeling right?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you have to be disappointed in what and
Speaker 5: what and what they're asking? What am I going to
Speaker 5: be disappointed in? I mean, when my record was out,
Speaker 5: I didn't want everybody sounding like me.
Speaker 6: So when other people's records are out, why should I
Speaker 6: feel I need to sound like them do exactly what
Speaker 6: they do. I took some of the heat, you know,
Speaker 6: for the time when hip hop was trying to get established.
Speaker 6: By the time I stopped having hit records, hip hop
Speaker 6: was established. So if someone else is out there fucking up,
Speaker 6: it's not on me.
Speaker 3: It's not on me.
Speaker 6: I still got mine, I'm still doing mine, I'm still performing,
Speaker 6: still doing all that. It's like, oh man, I really
Speaker 6: hate what they did to what I love. No, it's
Speaker 6: too much of a dynamic, you know, and to say
Speaker 6: that someone has changed it to the point where I'm
Speaker 6: going to general Yeah, And dude, I could have done
Speaker 6: something else. I have a bachelor's degree. I could have
Speaker 6: gone to grad school I could easily do something else.
Speaker 6: I choose to do this, so nothing is going to
Speaker 6: keep me. Nothing's going to keep me from doing this, dude.
Speaker 6: So regardless of what I see out there, I would
Speaker 6: you know, I wish certain things wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Happen and things wouldn't get.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm here about the scene down here in Miami,
Speaker 6: how violent it gets, and that kind of thing. I
Speaker 6: wish those things wouldn't happen. But in terms of my
Speaker 6: love for hip hop, nah, that's that's something.
Speaker 1: Right, blessing that you could make a living doing this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've written musician on my tax return for thirty
Speaker 6: seven years.
Speaker 5: God damn you know what I'm saying. It's like, what
Speaker 5: else would I do?
Speaker 6: Even people say, oh man, you hate having a record
Speaker 6: like Bust and Move. If you say that, there's what
Speaker 6: three hundred and sixty three hundred and seventy million people
Speaker 6: in this country that's around there. If I said two
Speaker 6: hundred to two hundred and fifty million of those people,
Speaker 6: no bust to Move.
Speaker 1: If I would say.
Speaker 6: My call process is regardless of what school I went
Speaker 6: to and all that, what what what else would I
Speaker 6: do to touch that many people?
Speaker 5: One hit wonder or not. I know I'm not on
Speaker 5: one hit wonder, but I'm saying, if that's all you.
Speaker 1: Know me for, you know me cool. Most people are
Speaker 1: just trying to get know That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: But let let's let's hit that. Let's hit that first
Speaker 7: verse of Bust to Move, Let's hit it really, let's
Speaker 7: hit it.
Speaker 1: Let's go that's what you want to hear, because I'm
Speaker 1: ryming you want to go? I never do you got me?
Speaker 3: You got me?
Speaker 1: My man taping me? I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you do a camera that's fair enough.
Speaker 6: Really all right, I would tell I'll tell you something
Speaker 6: real quick. Like a lot of times, like some of
Speaker 6: them want to get up on stage and say they
Speaker 6: know the hook and sing the hook invariably. And I've
Speaker 6: had this talk with Master G where you get to
Speaker 6: a certain place in the record and they think they
Speaker 6: know what's coming. Like after the first verse, you don't
Speaker 6: say you want it.
Speaker 1: You got it, it's huh huh.
Speaker 6: But girls will start singing you want it, you got
Speaker 6: it where it doesn't belong. And like in Rapper's Delight,
Speaker 6: when the first time you say hotel, motel, it's not
Speaker 6: holiday inn it's what you're gonna do today. But the
Speaker 6: first time they say hotel, motel, invariably somebody's like halladayen like, no, nigga,
Speaker 6: that's not it. You know, my first, my first hook
Speaker 6: I get to and like somebody say yeah, just to
Speaker 6: drown out the people singing singing you want it, you
Speaker 6: got it because they don't know it, and I need
Speaker 6: to know where I am to kind of you know,
Speaker 6: I mean go forward. So anyway, okay, this here is
Speaker 6: the jam for all the fellas. Try to do what
Speaker 6: those ladies tell us. Get shut down because you're over zepp.
Speaker 6: Let's play hard to get Females get jealous. Okay, somebody
Speaker 6: go to a party. Girls just can't they cloud and
Speaker 6: showing body. She walks by the witch shake us out
Speaker 6: up the standing on the wall like you is pointing
Speaker 6: that shot. Next day's function, high class watch it. Food
Speaker 6: is soup in your stone, cold bultive.
Speaker 1: It comes off.
Speaker 5: People start to dance, but you a so much nearly
Speaker 5: split your pants.
Speaker 6: Girl starts walking God start going sits down seeing you
Speaker 6: and starts talking since you want to dance because she
Speaker 6: likes the group, come on that so.
Speaker 1: And just bunts the move.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, don't don't put false information out
Speaker 5: there that don't go there.
Speaker 3: Wait, can we do one more request? Do you know
Speaker 3: your verse off of this?
Speaker 1: We still? Do you know my verse of that?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you've been you've been, Uh, I've been performed.
Speaker 1: I think this verse is so ill man.
Speaker 3: Okay, can you do it?
Speaker 5: Yes, I can do it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to you. It's written. This was the
Speaker 1: yeah that I didn't that's fire. Yeah, but you just
Speaker 1: let him get his verse.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, no, nobody was supposed to remember
Speaker 7: it looking No, I've been performing it.
Speaker 6: No, but it's interesting and above the lad Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 6: shout out, yeah, shout out to hutch Man. Gotta leave
Speaker 6: ice team. Michele A miche A Oaktown three five to
Speaker 6: seven Hammer Digital, Hey, jj fad Come on man, And
Speaker 6: that's a single version.
Speaker 5: I only got eight.
Speaker 6: I only got eight in the Uh could you do
Speaker 6: in the single version? Yeah, brothers kill another brothers. I
Speaker 6: thought the idea was to love one another, open up
Speaker 6: the paper to one more death. If y'all keep this up,
Speaker 6: then there'd be no one left. I try my best
Speaker 6: to send an example, say in hype lyrics over hip
Speaker 6: hop samples, not just to brag up the boats, but
Speaker 6: to inform because we're living in the carn before the storm.
Speaker 1: You see.
Speaker 6: I believe that the children of the future. But what's
Speaker 6: it all about if in the future they shoot you.
Speaker 6: We're all human beings. If a cut would bleed that.
Speaker 6: I want to see all young people succeed. Do nine
Speaker 6: to five, not five to ten. Just go to work
Speaker 6: and not the state, penn because you live better when
Speaker 6: you're out here free. That's coming straight to you from
Speaker 6: the young MC.
Speaker 5: Come on, I will classic with that.
Speaker 6: I perform it better now than I wrote it. But
Speaker 6: just the cadence to have that on a West Coast
Speaker 6: record in nineteen ninety was not done the way you
Speaker 6: came into It's just like, yeah, they have been walking.
Speaker 1: It was in the white Yeah.
Speaker 4: But you know what's the crazy thing about that message.
Speaker 4: It's like we still have to have that same message now.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 5: But that's the thing. The brilliance of my conception is
Speaker 5: knowing that I could give that message.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk.
Speaker 5: About sets and places and things I don't know about.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 6: And we didn't even have to have a discussion I'm
Speaker 6: on here. People are listening, They're expecting one thing. Let
Speaker 6: me give them, you know what I'm feeling, and even
Speaker 6: getting on stage that like, there's some places I don't
Speaker 6: do it where the record doesn't resonate as much now,
Speaker 6: but I want to do that verse and it's you know, yeah, man,
Speaker 6: it's good.
Speaker 4: No, But I mean, in general for the black people
Speaker 4: on hip podcast, the fact that that record is still
Speaker 4: relevant because we're still going through that type of can
Speaker 4: additions in the communities.
Speaker 1: What do you think that's destruction as well? Like self
Speaker 1: destruction is same thing. Like these records were actually dope.
Speaker 3: They were dope records with great messages that resonated, and
Speaker 3: now it's like it feels like we can't do those records.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 6: You remember this as both of you probably remember this
Speaker 6: as kids. You know, when some crazy shit would happen
Speaker 6: in the hood or crazy stuff would happen and it
Speaker 6: didn't make the news and nobody talked about it except
Speaker 6: in the neighborhood people that saw it.
Speaker 1: Story to story.
Speaker 6: With the Internet, that doesn't happen any little thing, crazy
Speaker 6: thing that someone does, it's worldwide. So not saying that
Speaker 6: there's less going on now, but what there is going
Speaker 6: on now is amplified so much in a way that
Speaker 6: wasn't before. So there's no sweeping under the rug, there's
Speaker 6: no keeping it on the low. Everything's just blasted out there.
Speaker 6: So you see the need for it, but you're seeing
Speaker 6: the need for it a record like that in the
Speaker 6: context of every little piece of news being amplified like
Speaker 6: it's you know, on the six o'clock.
Speaker 1: News amplified without context as well, Yes, yes, because because
Speaker 1: everybody has short attentions. So who, why, where or now?
Speaker 1: Now what happened?
Speaker 3: Oh? You know, once again, everybody's polarized as to what's
Speaker 3: going on right right?
Speaker 5: So if I go on your iPod right now, I
Speaker 5: don't know, no an iPod, but I hate you?
Speaker 1: But your music select? Yeah you did yourself? Yeah my bad.
Speaker 1: Who is the young MC to you?
Speaker 7: Wow?
Speaker 1: Who is a young MC that reminds you of young MC?
Speaker 1: To you? I don't you know? Yeah, man, I mean
Speaker 1: leading the witness? I mean, who are you back there
Speaker 1: with your baby blue outfit? Well that's the thing I mean.
Speaker 6: I I have love for Jake Cole because the idea
Speaker 6: of and and and even you know, Drake to a
Speaker 6: certain extent, the idea of singing and rapping with two
Speaker 6: different things. In my day, like you couldn't become melodic
Speaker 6: in a song without being considered a different type of artry.
Speaker 1: Eric Simon was one of the earliest people I remember
Speaker 1: trying to do that right and Jake Cole got out
Speaker 1: of that beef immediately and he did the right thing.
Speaker 6: So I listened to a lot of people just to
Speaker 6: see where they're taking the music, you know, I mean,
Speaker 6: like what they're doing, what they're doing with the music.
Speaker 6: So there's not one specific MC that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 6: waving a flight. Drake's done a lot. Drake has done
Speaker 6: a lot in terms of establishing fan base, in terms
Speaker 6: of the different types of records he makes.
Speaker 5: And Kendrick is a lyricist, you know, he's a lot
Speaker 5: for lyricism.
Speaker 1: Now, well, here's the thing.
Speaker 6: Now, I'm coming from a time when lyricism and West
Speaker 6: Coast were never set in the same sentence. So if
Speaker 6: you are going to somebody who lives on the East Coast,
Speaker 6: now they could literally say Kendrick Lamar is the best lyricist.
Speaker 6: I never thought I would ever hear anyone outside of
Speaker 6: the West Coast saying that a West Coast artist was
Speaker 6: the best lyricist or represented lyricism in a way that
Speaker 6: Kendrick is. Now, So like all of those things, all
Speaker 6: of those artists, I look and I can, I can
Speaker 6: appreciate different elements of you know, what they do battles.
Speaker 6: Notwithstanding Kendrick being known as the consummate lyricists and being
Speaker 6: from the West Coast, shows an evolution of hip hop
Speaker 6: that I did not think I would see in my lifetime.
Speaker 1: Just did not think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the perception of the coast, of the perception,
Speaker 3: the perception of the Cube, I think was respected as
Speaker 3: the lyrics.
Speaker 6: No, Cube was respected as a lyricist. But the thing
Speaker 6: was is that Cube was such a figure with n
Speaker 6: w A with what he said.
Speaker 5: It's just different now in terms of you know, a
Speaker 5: backpacker will look at at Kendrick and Kendrick's lyrics, and
Speaker 5: Kendrick's lyrics are pro lyrical like Kendrick happens because he's
Speaker 5: influenced by so many things and people. You know, So
Speaker 5: someone like Kendrick on the West Coast on.
Speaker 1: A different stage, a different stage. Yeah, So so no,
Speaker 1: all respected c all respected Cube.
Speaker 6: I'm looking at it that this was a lyrical exercise,
Speaker 6: and and you know, all kinds of subject matters all
Speaker 6: over the place.
Speaker 5: And and Kendrick is regarded as the.
Speaker 3: Lyricist because because I think LA did have a hub
Speaker 3: for lyricism.
Speaker 1: You had like the exhibits, the alcoholics. Yeah, game is
Speaker 1: a lyricist, the loonies like no, no, even quick.
Speaker 6: But I'm saying in terms of but you, if you
Speaker 6: went out of the West Coast sphere, influence a lot
Speaker 6: of those names exactly.
Speaker 1: Now it translates.
Speaker 6: Now it translates, there's somebody in Brooklyn, there's somebody in
Speaker 6: the Bronx that will say Kendrick living no more the
Speaker 6: best lyricists that.
Speaker 3: Nobody on the West Coast is ever considered potentially the
Speaker 3: king hip hop, right, the top tier, right, But now
Speaker 3: it does.
Speaker 1: Lyricists lyrics.
Speaker 4: I mean that Carcert, when I seen that Kindred concert,
Speaker 4: it did seem like that he was being crowned the king.
Speaker 3: Like you have like the jay Z's, the Nods, the
Speaker 3: biggest liked.
Speaker 4: Even though it was a West Coast or collaboration and
Speaker 4: all that, But it didn't that night when I watched
Speaker 4: that Carcert, it seemed like he was being crowned king
Speaker 4: of hip hop.
Speaker 3: That's what I think, That's what I think people need
Speaker 3: to understand. Like it's a it's a it's a pro
Speaker 3: for hip hop, it's a positive for hip hop. You
Speaker 3: could love what's happening there and not have to be
Speaker 3: against Drake.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be a Drake.
Speaker 6: Drake has done things that Drake has done things that
Speaker 6: no one has done in hip hop, and he's he's
Speaker 6: been able to he's been able to open open things
Speaker 6: up to a new.
Speaker 5: Audience and just his approach and come nationally.
Speaker 6: And there's been so many rappers that have come from
Speaker 6: mixtapes that weren't able to translate it into albums and
Speaker 6: he has.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, there's usually guys that he comes from the mixtape.
Speaker 6: There's there's dudes that that there's dudes that did mixtapes
Speaker 6: okay at it and become amazing artists. And the dudes
Speaker 6: that were amazing on mixtapes and you don't hear much
Speaker 6: about it, or the first album comes out and it's not,
Speaker 6: you know, cohesive enough for people to really digest it
Speaker 6: as an album. He seamlessly went into that that that's
Speaker 6: impressive to me.
Speaker 4: And what's dope is like you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: you know the world is probably trying to say that
Speaker 4: like that was a loss for him, But.
Speaker 1: The fact is, if he.
Speaker 4: Doesn't seem damaged, he'll be Okay, this, this, this, he's
Speaker 4: not He's not going away.
Speaker 6: I look at it because it's like how I said
Speaker 6: that that I get different inspirations from different artists.
Speaker 1: I see it as a different lane for him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just see it as a different lane.
Speaker 6: There's there's places that he goes and audiences he plays
Speaker 6: in front of that other people don't so you know,
Speaker 6: and and and same for Kendrick Sant for Jake Hole,
Speaker 6: Like they have their their their niches. So I don't
Speaker 6: necessarily see it. I see it really.
Speaker 3: What I see.
Speaker 6: The upshot of it is is that the record company
Speaker 6: are getting scared because you had guys making records in
Speaker 6: a week.
Speaker 7: Putting it up there it's the same record label, no no, no,
Speaker 7: no no. But but my thing is this that the
Speaker 7: scope on Universe was the same people.
Speaker 5: But here's the point.
Speaker 6: These records were conceived of in a week, put up,
Speaker 6: and then they take down the top artists that you've
Speaker 6: been planning with all.
Speaker 1: Your stop putting it without that record, because.
Speaker 6: So regardless of what label, all right there in one lane,
Speaker 6: but one artist or two artists can get into a
Speaker 6: beef and be putting out records to the point where
Speaker 6: major labels are like your.
Speaker 1: Pop artists to show up as well.
Speaker 6: Two hip hop artists can get into a beef be
Speaker 6: putting out records to the where the major label says
Speaker 6: you rock, act, you popack, You're gonna have to.
Speaker 5: Wait until he's dues. Feud is old true because everything
Speaker 5: we do with all other problems, can't fuck with this
Speaker 5: right now. That's crazy, dude. That's to me, that's the
Speaker 5: shot of all of it.
Speaker 6: It's like, I'm it's like it's it's literally like a
Speaker 6: speedboat stopping a tanker.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh no, we got to let the speedboat
Speaker 1: go by.
Speaker 5: We got to let these two speedboats race it out,
Speaker 5: and we're.
Speaker 6: Going to stop this ocean line until they're done because
Speaker 6: they have the water right now, we don't have the water.
Speaker 5: That dude, that's the way you need to look at it.
Speaker 4: So Drake and Kendrick, I like to personally thank y'all.
Speaker 1: I have been fully entertained, and even I liked J Coles.
Speaker 1: I ain't like they just left so fast.
Speaker 6: But to me, no, And I'll defend you. I've never
Speaker 6: met him, but I'll defend him. That was a mature
Speaker 6: move on his part of that.
Speaker 1: That's how you feel, That's how you feel what he did.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: You know, I saw that.
Speaker 2: I saw.
Speaker 6: I saw an interview with DJ Head, who was the
Speaker 6: DJ that never never met him, but he was a
Speaker 6: big boy who I met nothing. You know.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching an interview.
Speaker 6: And he said that he's only listening to meet the
Speaker 6: Grahams only four or five times because it affected you know,
Speaker 6: it affected his spirit listening to it. I respect him.
Speaker 6: He's in Kendrick Lamar's crew, you mean, he's he's in
Speaker 6: that circle, and he felt the comfort to be able
Speaker 6: to you know, to say that, to say that that's
Speaker 6: what you know, what's what's in his heart. To me,
Speaker 6: that's shows such a growth that everybody doesn't have to
Speaker 6: be like, you know, like okay, you know whatever happens
Speaker 6: with blindly following that.
Speaker 5: That's show such a level of maturity.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like once again, my day wouldn't see that you
Speaker 6: with me or you against me. You can't say anything
Speaker 6: that you can't. Then It's like there's so much of
Speaker 6: that that made me feel so good that I was
Speaker 6: even involved back in the day.
Speaker 4: If if back then you would have had Twitter, you
Speaker 4: think you would have been out here in d ms.
Speaker 1: Out here in d you know what what does that mean?
Speaker 1: You know what it means. I know what it means.
Speaker 6: I may have been even if I didn't want to be,
Speaker 6: even if I didn't type the d MS. You know,
Speaker 6: somebody would type something to me and then then then
Speaker 6: post that, you know what I mean. So there's a
Speaker 6: there's a lot of us that are thankful that social
Speaker 6: media wasn't you know, it wasn't what it was. It's
Speaker 6: some of the stories that I know, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, and something just oh yeah, absolutely, because y'all
Speaker 6: was a living wild back then.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah one week. No, it's true, you
Speaker 1: had one year and it looked like one week. Dude,
Speaker 1: it was it was one weement. I had enough.
Speaker 5: I had enough.
Speaker 1: It was crazy.
Speaker 5: But but but but but but yeah.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing, dude, it's like.
Speaker 3: I learned.
Speaker 6: I learned from my experiences. That's that's why I'm still here.
Speaker 6: That's why I'm you know. That's why I'm still good.
Speaker 4: What's your favorite part of the culture, Like, if you
Speaker 4: could praise one thing about the culture, it's this dude.
Speaker 6: You know, it's it's funny because I'm here with you whatever.
Speaker 6: It's the camaraderie. You and I don't know each other
Speaker 6: very well. We've only met each other, you know, a
Speaker 6: couple of times.
Speaker 5: But like we could hang, we could have discussions.
Speaker 1: We could you know, we could look we love hip hop.
Speaker 5: I love hip hop. So it's like it's like us
Speaker 5: playing a sport.
Speaker 1: This part of my family, I'm a part of yours.
Speaker 5: It's like us playing the same sport in two different leagues.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 6: We haven't played each other, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So that that kind of camaraderie. When I hit athletes
Speaker 6: that retire and say that that's what they meant. That's
Speaker 6: why I like all them questions you asked if you
Speaker 6: had anybody that was on the nineties tour, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: pick them because.
Speaker 5: They're like family.
Speaker 6: You know, a couple of hundred shows in the middle
Speaker 6: of nowhere, all the jokes sitting around there was there
Speaker 6: was one Since COVID it's been very difficult to find
Speaker 6: people to clean hotel rooms. So invariably we'll be sitting
Speaker 6: a bunch of us for hours in hotel lobbies, in
Speaker 6: the smallest places.
Speaker 5: So me tone Montel Jordan sitting.
Speaker 6: In the lobby talking at least a couple of hours,
Speaker 6: stories coming do it man, Just fun, just just just
Speaker 6: just fun.
Speaker 5: Yes, we caught.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. I kept talking like I yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know what, you are very correct man.
Speaker 4: You know, like I said I was saying earlier, like
Speaker 4: how going on the road with somebody like you get
Speaker 4: to learn that people, You get to understand that certain
Speaker 4: people feastink and you be like, damn man, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't want to be around him and this hotelbum.
Speaker 4: But I realized that I would do this show in
Speaker 4: ninety seven and it was called a Hot Night Jamaica, right,
Speaker 4: and we would go there and everybody who I went
Speaker 4: there with always formed the relationship with.
Speaker 1: Like, and it's because of what you just said.
Speaker 7: It's just like, you know, we we we're a fraternity
Speaker 7: without calling ourselves on a fraternity, what is it?
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
Speaker 6: I've not seen mix a lot. I had not seen
Speaker 6: mix a lot in a couple of years and we
Speaker 6: just had a show. I want to say it was
Speaker 6: Was it outside of Sir mix a lot? Yeah, Sir
Speaker 6: mix a lot. Oh Man, I want to say, no,
Speaker 6: it wasn't Memphis, outside of Tulsa, ok Mogi Oklahoma. I
Speaker 6: want to say me Tone Lo, Rob Bass, Tretch from
Speaker 6: Naughty by Nature, Sir mix a lot, and and I
Speaker 6: think and I think one, I think one other act.
Speaker 6: But we have not seen each other in a long time.
Speaker 6: And to get the picture and to sit and talk
Speaker 6: and whatever, it's like we never you know, we've never
Speaker 6: spent any time apart. I hadn't seen Tretch in a
Speaker 6: hot minute. He's supposed to come my wedding. He couldn't come,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. It was just that feeling
Speaker 6: and being known to be a you know, to be
Speaker 6: a part of it, especially when guys can go out
Speaker 6: and see other guys sets like that new song. I
Speaker 6: can't wait to do that new song in front of Tratch.
Speaker 6: I think, I think, I think he's going to be
Speaker 6: with me tomorrow West Virginia. But I know over the
Speaker 6: next over the next two weeks to three weeks, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna do a show with him while I'll do that
Speaker 6: in front of him and just to get his reaction
Speaker 6: to it, and and you know, talk to him about
Speaker 6: what I'm doing and that kind of thing.
Speaker 5: It's great. You see them more than you see your
Speaker 5: your friends.
Speaker 6: You see them more than you see a lot of
Speaker 6: your family and and but there's a mutual respect. So
Speaker 6: that's why I'm still going at it, you know, at
Speaker 6: this age.
Speaker 1: God damn it. Man.
Speaker 4: I just want to thank you man for everything you
Speaker 4: do for hip hop. Man, Thank you man for being
Speaker 4: here on drink Champs.
Speaker 1: Man. I want to shout out. I got a shout
Speaker 1: out one person, absolutely continue my.
Speaker 6: Best friend, best man at my wedding, Antonio Knox, young
Speaker 6: rapper that I did a meta mass came out of Baltimore.
Speaker 6: But he has been such an inspiration to me and
Speaker 6: just kind of keeping me grounded and being a good
Speaker 6: sounding board. So when I told him I was doing this,
Speaker 6: He's like, yo, man, this is you know, he knew
Speaker 6: how big this was for me. And after all the discussions,
Speaker 6: like a lot of the answers I gave, I've discussed
Speaker 6: with him. But I'm not throwing names out and whatever,
Speaker 6: but that Antonio Knox is my man.
Speaker 1: Well, big him up.
Speaker 4: But let us tell you man like, you know when
Speaker 4: we give these people flowers, when we y'are heroes, man like,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying to me everybody, And I
Speaker 4: know how it feels, man, I know how it feels
Speaker 4: to walk in those shoes.
Speaker 1: I know how it feels to be in those locker rooms?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 4: And you know what I'm saying. So what we do
Speaker 4: is so much, you know, sometimes underrated. You know what
Speaker 4: I mean that you just I just I just I
Speaker 4: love I love this man. I was so excited to
Speaker 4: have you come through. We were betting on you. I
Speaker 4: lost the bet.
Speaker 1: I lost the bet. Now when you think you think
Speaker 1: I got you, like, no, no, no, we bet on time,
Speaker 1: this guy. We bet on time. I said you be
Speaker 1: here three forty five.
Speaker 6: Me and me and Jason went out and we had
Speaker 6: sushi down the street. That's the only reason it's too many.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're talking about, man, artists. But
Speaker 1: you know what's crazy. As an artist, I always can't relate.
Speaker 4: But then as a businessman, I never I always did
Speaker 4: so early, but I always understand.
Speaker 1: But we got him. We got him. Look this is
Speaker 1: he said that if he had the pickup beat between
Speaker 1: anybody in the world to save the world. He would
Speaker 1: steel great to meet you, man, he said, if he
Speaker 1: can saved the world, he will think you to make
Speaker 1: the beat.
Speaker 5: He's got where's the volume on this, oh ship?
Speaker 1: Who's whose phone? Is it?
Speaker 3: Make the beat?
Speaker 7: Bro?
Speaker 1: You can tell he don't spend no money on his phone.
Speaker 1: My back, he knows, he knows. That's what you said.
Speaker 5: No, I'm down, dude. You know, feature whatever you want,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm down. I'm a big.
Speaker 6: Fan of your work, from what you did with you,
Speaker 6: from what you did with Cube and what you did
Speaker 6: with Methad. Man, I'm a big fan of your work
Speaker 6: and you inspired me as an artist and a producer. Dude,
Speaker 6: because because I've watched several episodes and nobody drops your name,
Speaker 6: I'm like, no, it would be you, and then the
Speaker 6: MC would be stirring wonder from boot Camp click.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Him down, so so absolutely man, So wonderful to meet you, dude. Likewise, likewise,
Speaker 5: my man, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: You got an upgreat your phone man, Yeah, man, it's
Speaker 1: just like a metro you got. What's what's the ship,
Speaker 1: what's the what's the next tail?
Speaker 4: It's not like you got the next tail? It's your phone, man,
Speaker 4: it's you. No, that was that was dope, man. I
Speaker 4: love that man, look to step off.
Speaker 1: You go. You donna come and take a shot for
Speaker 1: no reason. Let's go.
Speaker 4: This is the way it works. He's gonna take a
Speaker 4: shot for no reasons because you take it for young Yeah,
Speaker 4: just give him any shot.
Speaker 1: So this is anything. Let me let me ask you
Speaker 1: this sure. Is there anything you ever passed on that
Speaker 1: you regret?
Speaker 5: Specifically?
Speaker 6: I was such a I saw how bad sampling could
Speaker 6: get people in trouble. After what happened with three feet
Speaker 6: high and rising, and then and then uh yeah, and
Speaker 6: then and then the thank you, and then the uh gosh,
Speaker 6: what record?
Speaker 3: What record? What record?
Speaker 5: The bismarcky before all samples clear? The one they pulled.
Speaker 6: So I'm watching this and I'm saying, it's so much
Speaker 6: going on, And even even even some of my records,
Speaker 6: you know that weren't clear. They you know, stuff had
Speaker 6: to come back and be dealt with. So the record
Speaker 6: that would have been a single for me, I had
Speaker 6: a huge sample in it, and I chose not to
Speaker 6: go that route. Changed it around, And I didn't really
Speaker 6: realize at the time that a lot of what people
Speaker 6: liked about those records was the.
Speaker 4: Sample itself because they were familiar. What right, subconscious I
Speaker 4: just saw and.
Speaker 6: Bust and Move had samples in it, but they weren't
Speaker 6: well known. So my thought was, if you can get
Speaker 6: it to sound like a sample or sound like without
Speaker 6: it being something obvious, do you can win like that?
Speaker 6: Because I've had life experience doing that. But in hindsight,
Speaker 6: looking back, if I was more open to putting samples
Speaker 6: in my stuff back then, then I think I would
Speaker 6: have been able.
Speaker 5: To continue my career on a on a certain level
Speaker 5: a little bit longer.
Speaker 4: Okay, let me let me extend that question just a
Speaker 4: little bit, yes, sir, Let me relate it to an artist.
Speaker 4: Is there any artists that you had an opportunity to
Speaker 4: work with and you didn't have to do that?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I would, I would say no, I mean.
Speaker 1: Prince, no, no.
Speaker 6: But if Prince reached out to me, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, like no one knowing on we said Michael Jackson.
Speaker 6: So yeah, if someone had reached out to me, you know,
Speaker 6: I've never really been in a position where I'm saying
Speaker 6: no to a big artist or whatever.
Speaker 5: It's just never come to me. I wasn't in those circles.
Speaker 1: I went home too early. So okay, so I'm actually
Speaker 1: one you ask me ten.
Speaker 5: Dude, I'm here, actually flew here to be with y'all.
Speaker 1: We actually spoke about it earlier, yes, sir, but let's
Speaker 1: let'st's speak about it again. Now.
Speaker 4: We said the one record to save the world. Right,
Speaker 4: you didn't even pick yourself. You picked Scott Stars and
Speaker 4: you picked a homeboy from og Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you said I thought you said it as
Speaker 5: a feature.
Speaker 1: Now, okay, you got.
Speaker 4: For you one record dead alllive. What artists would you.
Speaker 1: Like to work with?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Wow, that you feature on that you they feature? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that all live.
Speaker 5: I would say Prince, Prince, I would say, I would
Speaker 5: say Prince just I could see it just.
Speaker 6: Because just just because I'd want the challenge of whatever
Speaker 6: he would do musically.
Speaker 5: And I pride myself on being able to rhyme over anything. Right,
Speaker 5: So if if if Prince.
Speaker 6: And it's like like if Prince were, you know, were
Speaker 6: to come up with something that it was a theme
Speaker 6: or whatever, I.
Speaker 5: Love the challenge. You will want him to come up
Speaker 5: with it, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, i'd be.
Speaker 6: Guessing on his record. I'm not gonna ask Prince the feature.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm guessing on.
Speaker 1: That, so I'm asking you. I'm asking you, this is
Speaker 1: your feature.
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, I don't know, dude. There's so
Speaker 6: many people that you know that I love and respect
Speaker 6: and and it's I wouldn't I wouldn't know. I really,
Speaker 6: I really wouldn't know, because because it's not you know,
Speaker 6: out of my circle. I would say trench, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean? Like like, I like my my dream
Speaker 6: record would be me tretching quick. That would be if
Speaker 6: you said features and say each guy a verse meet
Speaker 6: me treaching quick.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a mean record.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I'm pretty sure. But I'd want I
Speaker 5: want one of mine.
Speaker 1: That's my whole thing. Man. It's like dam chance compilations.
Speaker 1: I want.
Speaker 6: I want the opportunity to have a record crack and
Speaker 6: then be able to pull in who I want to
Speaker 6: pull in, as opposed to putting the pressure of trying
Speaker 6: to get a current record to do something on the three.
Speaker 6: I just want I want to make that record for
Speaker 6: fun on on an up on an upswing, you know,
Speaker 6: or at least being at a certain plateau, as opposed
Speaker 6: to saying, oh, these artists that haven't whose biggest records
Speaker 6: were X amount of years old, you know.
Speaker 5: Trying to do something now. I'd want to kind of
Speaker 5: be beyond that, you know.
Speaker 1: In terms of doing that. Jeez, Louise, Papa cheeze. You
Speaker 1: ever met James Brown? Never? No, never met James Brown. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just feel like you his cousin.
Speaker 3: I know, I know people.
Speaker 6: I want to say, some people that at UH at
Speaker 6: the agency had worked at work with him touring and
Speaker 6: you know, I've heard stories and that kind of thing,
Speaker 6: but never never met him person.
Speaker 5: That's a that's a bit before my time.
Speaker 1: But also in the in the.
Speaker 6: Eighties we could of cross paths. But yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 6: it just it just didn't come to fruition like.
Speaker 4: That because I thought, I swear to God when I
Speaker 4: asked you that question, I said that alive. I thought
Speaker 4: he was gonna say James Brown, but you said, Prince,
Speaker 4: that's just like that's in the same league.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean just in terms of his artistry
Speaker 6: and just I wouldn't know what I was gonna get,
Speaker 6: and that that's what I want. There's so many different
Speaker 6: sounds that worked so well that whatever he came with,
Speaker 6: I know there'd be a level of genius behind that
Speaker 6: that I wouldn't necessarily see coming, and I'd have to
Speaker 6: step up to that game.
Speaker 7: So that's why I'd say, Prince forgot, he's supposed to
Speaker 7: take your shot. You behead bullshit all right? Let him
Speaker 7: get away with that.
Speaker 1: Jamie Niggas some ice please, Yeah, man, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 4: I want to pick you up once again, man, and
Speaker 4: just tell you how much you mean. It's a hip
Speaker 4: hop not just me, not just uh. Like I said,
Speaker 4: I know, I know this job. I know this job.
Speaker 4: I know what it takes. You can never take off
Speaker 4: your uniform. Yeah, being a rapper, you could never take
Speaker 4: off your uniform. Sometimes I admire people that work in
Speaker 4: McDonald's because when they get off at work, they could
Speaker 4: take their shit off. We can't never take our Wherever
Speaker 4: we go, we have to be. It's either you could
Speaker 4: be a target. You can be somebody they love, you
Speaker 4: can be somebody off, somebody they bother.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So I know this job, and this job is, and
Speaker 4: to be doing it for thirty five years and to
Speaker 4: have a smile on your face.
Speaker 6: I'm what MC eight would call the happy rapper. Then
Speaker 6: when he said I want to be the happy rapper.
Speaker 6: When he said when he said that, I'm like at
Speaker 6: this age, at this time, that resonates with me, Like
Speaker 6: I'm that guy that's.
Speaker 4: Dope being a happy rapper, I think so, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: because there's not a lot of happys.
Speaker 1: No, just I know, dog, But thank you man.
Speaker 4: We appreciate it, man sitting down with us doing drink checks.
Speaker 4: But also I'm not saying this just to say this.
Speaker 1: This is your house.
Speaker 4: So many people if you can't be used, you're useless.
Speaker 4: So many people don't understand that, and so many people
Speaker 4: think that you know, but this is your house when
Speaker 4: you want to go and you perform, and you want
Speaker 4: to you want to talk about you know, your toys.
Speaker 1: This is it.
Speaker 4: Man, like you, we come and we're gonna support it, man,
Speaker 4: because what you did and what you've done for our
Speaker 4: community is something that we always going to salute.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 6: Now there's a question you didn't ask me. Let's force
Speaker 6: it and answer force it. Let's go you as you'd
Speaker 6: ask radio or podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: I like that you're gonna point ahead radio podcast.
Speaker 6: Podcasts, I would say, I would say radio for now,
Speaker 6: but podcasts in terms of how you view them evolving.
Speaker 6: When you said you want to make a podcast for
Speaker 6: somebody to break a record and put it out and
Speaker 6: go right to the audience and direct to consumer.
Speaker 5: That that's the way it could be if it was
Speaker 5: regarded as such.
Speaker 6: Radio still has its sway, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: But if podcasts could get to whereas that organized and
Speaker 6: it wasn't so because there's no such thing as a
Speaker 6: regional podcast. There's only a podcast. There could be a
Speaker 6: podcast that's said in a reason, but it's competing worldwide.
Speaker 1: Try by some mere distribution of right.
Speaker 6: So that makes it difficult because you're literally picking one
Speaker 6: because guarantee, whatever your nearest competition is will say, well,
Speaker 6: if you go on drink champs, you can't come here.
Speaker 6: Whereas if I go to the you know, if I
Speaker 6: go to the biggest station in LA I can still
Speaker 6: go to the biggest station in Dallas, even if they're
Speaker 6: you know, family relate whatever, I can still do that.
Speaker 6: That that's the power of radio. Podcast needs to get
Speaker 6: to that point. So that because young people would say
Speaker 6: podcasts because they don't see what radio did. I remember
Speaker 6: having to go to Houston and I got to go
Speaker 6: to five stations. If I if I go to four,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna lose all of them, right, So I better
Speaker 6: go to five stations in Houston. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That's the power of radio, right, So yeah.
Speaker 4: Damn, I remember we can't even get our records, like
Speaker 4: I remember I had to physically go to London. Yeah,
Speaker 4: to like have London play my record, like, and we
Speaker 4: speak about your England.
Speaker 1: You England a little too right? I was wing man.
Speaker 6: I was born in England nineteen sixty seven, went to
Speaker 6: New York in nineteen seventy, and then left New York
Speaker 6: in eighty five to go to college. So no, you know,
Speaker 6: no British accent, no Jamaican accent. I sound like I'm
Speaker 6: from the mid from the Midwest.
Speaker 1: You could turn on your pats when you want. That's
Speaker 1: what That's what Drane does. Did dreams he'd be like
Speaker 1: Jamaican anything.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, like when he went to I see his
Speaker 4: accent jump out. Some Jamaican's coming, right, But yeah, he
Speaker 4: starts sucking the stee He decided London, I see somebody
Speaker 4: from England come around to him, act like he was English.
Speaker 1: Being sophisticated. You don't do that, you don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm just yeah, it's just me, okay, except when I
Speaker 6: was imitating that lady at the Grammys, because that that
Speaker 6: that was very good.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Yes, it was very natural. Thank you well,
Speaker 1: Thank you once again. Man.
Speaker 4: I want you to know that everyone here wants to
Speaker 4: be here to salute what you've done, which continue to
Speaker 4: do and keep doing this ship man like your inspiration
Speaker 4: to us.
Speaker 1: All man, like you know what I'm saying. We got
Speaker 1: love for you. I have to signed a couple of
Speaker 1: these things. You got a pen by the way, that's
Speaker 1: his real CD. Yeah, he be going live.
Speaker 5: He'll sign tones, but I'll leave a space for him
Speaker 5: to sign because you should have him on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need him on too.
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