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Speaker 4: Get that invite down so the office, Hey, after the show,
Speaker 4: if you're not too busy, come on. And it's always
Speaker 4: so nice, like it's always never like me me in
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Speaker 1: Hey.
Speaker 5: So I was like, hey, what are you doing after
Speaker 5: the show?
Speaker 4: After the show, you got a few minutes, come on
Speaker 4: office right quick.
Speaker 6: He was like, God, I've been because you ain't gonna
Speaker 6: get to that next show.
Speaker 5: I've been fortunate enough in my uh my time back
Speaker 5: to not have to visit upstairs. I've gotten a couple,
Speaker 5: you got a couple of text messages, you got a call.
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Speaker 6: be called we will be every Well.
Speaker 5: We got football tonight. Yes, who's the game tonight?
Speaker 7: Jets against the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Patriots have beat the Jets fifteen in a row.
Speaker 5: Could that change tonight? Possibly? I'm not really interested in
Speaker 5: that game.
Speaker 4: But what I do want to see what Aaron rod
Speaker 4: is like. I want to see I want to see
Speaker 4: if he still got a little left of the tank.
Speaker 5: It'll be interesting. Uh, let's talk about and.
Speaker 4: Then we can watch the running back on their team
Speaker 4: that we.
Speaker 5: But something I do want to talk about, well later,
Speaker 5: let's talk about the new Hall of Fame class that
Speaker 5: was announced yesterday that that is up for nomination.
Speaker 4: That's if we're not putting darry Woodson in there.
Speaker 5: I was going to bring that up. Yeah, sorry, I
Speaker 5: know it's good. I agree with you though. There's some
Speaker 5: interesting there's some interesting folks that are up that will
Speaker 5: probably get in that don't necessarily need to be in,
Speaker 5: and someone that may not get in that maybe should being.
Speaker 5: We'll talk about all that later, but right now, something
Speaker 5: that's very interesting. The injury report popped up a couple
Speaker 5: of names that we weren't aware of. Ceedee lamb ankle,
Speaker 5: Digg's foot, Hooker's shoulder, Mazzi back all popped up yesterday.
Speaker 8: Ye, Diggs and Lamb are back of practice, so it
Speaker 8: was probably kind of a rest day for them. I'm
Speaker 8: not sure about the others, hopefully.
Speaker 7: McCarthy said that Mazzie Smith, who's also on there, you
Speaker 7: probably can talk about him, will get evaluated before he
Speaker 7: can get back to practice, meaning like they have a
Speaker 7: they have mri.
Speaker 1: I, So okay, mri I, well not much.
Speaker 4: It's a back, so I don't know if it's.
Speaker 1: Every well a back.
Speaker 8: That can't be good getting MRIs in your back. I mean,
Speaker 8: that's how does that get better?
Speaker 7: They're evaluating the test, So I'm assuming you have something
Speaker 7: in my MRI.
Speaker 1: Biet a little.
Speaker 5: How you guys doing with the uh I?
Speaker 4: Like the double Star?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's the best.
Speaker 4: That's a little Giants one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the best jersey in history in the Cowboys.
Speaker 8: Color coordinated Well today, Yeah.
Speaker 5: We called each other.
Speaker 1: We had uh Tyrone Crawford on the show last.
Speaker 4: Night, The Great Canadian, right a Canadian?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: Yeah, God, I love that guy.
Speaker 4: Did you play with him, Jesse did not?
Speaker 5: You were before him?
Speaker 1: Right? Yes? Four daughters? Yeah? Four girls? Is he done?
Speaker 6: No? That's one is seven months old is gonna try
Speaker 6: for I didn't even ask seven months I'm like, bro,
Speaker 6: I wanted to tap him, like, hey, you need to
Speaker 6: stop something.
Speaker 4: He got some snaps left, You got some snaps left
Speaker 4: them play a few downs.
Speaker 5: Underappreciated players. Everybody on the defense, according to Kurt Daniels,
Speaker 5: is saying that they just didn't do their job last Sunday.
Speaker 1: So everyone said that does.
Speaker 5: That Do you know that during the game or is
Speaker 5: that something that you have to watch film to figure out.
Speaker 5: If it is something you know during the game, why
Speaker 5: can't you correct it mid game? This would be the question.
Speaker 4: There are moments in games where things begin to spiral
Speaker 4: out of control and it's oh, like politically, let's use
Speaker 4: for example, right, let's let's let's use the eleven side game.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: We knew that was happening, and we was like what
Speaker 6: we knew that was happening?
Speaker 4: Couldn't stop it, That's what I'm saying, Like it started
Speaker 4: to happen, and before you knew it, it had spiraled
Speaker 4: out of control. You know, like, what the hell is
Speaker 4: going on?
Speaker 1: So good?
Speaker 5: That's a good point. Right during that game, you knew it,
Speaker 5: you couldn't stop it, Like what was going on on
Speaker 5: the sidelines, Like what like, are you panicking or you
Speaker 5: just like God, are you just.
Speaker 1: Like try batter your position. Coach is just coaching.
Speaker 6: They never stopped coaching it try you know, does due
Speaker 6: this make sure your technique is go to battle, battle,
Speaker 6: fight fight.
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 8: Then mentally though, they're just like bruh done.
Speaker 6: When certain when a team is on top of you
Speaker 6: like that, you are looking at the you looking.
Speaker 4: At I was going there. Next you start clockwatching, You're like, boy,
Speaker 4: don't do anything to stop this clock. I want to
Speaker 4: get because it begins to spiral to a point where
Speaker 4: it seems like no matter what you do, you can't
Speaker 4: try harder. You can't technique harder, you can't scheme harder.
Speaker 4: It's nothing. You just It's one of those things where
Speaker 4: you just say, man, how can we get this? Can
Speaker 4: we go to the ref and go, hey, don't stop
Speaker 4: this clock for nothing. Let's just get out of here
Speaker 4: and be done with this.
Speaker 6: You check your body, I mean you you literally be
Speaker 6: walking off the field making sure that nothing get hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, I remember that level set game. That's why
Speaker 6: I started laughing. The only difference was we had another
Speaker 6: shot at them. These guys don't have another shot at
Speaker 6: that team, So no matter what you do, we can say,
Speaker 6: hey boy, they really shined against the Ravens.
Speaker 5: That game is still with you, Brian, that that's a whooping.
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna nevill That'll be here at the end
Speaker 1: of the season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe Chris or Kurt, you guys can pull
Speaker 4: the stat up. Did you guys lose the next game
Speaker 4: like you had the Love and Sat game.
Speaker 1: I don't think we lost the next game. Check it out.
Speaker 1: Check it out.
Speaker 4: And I asked that question because I said this earlier
Speaker 4: in the week. Excuse me that that loss felt like
Speaker 4: more than just one loss, right, like it felt like, yeah,
Speaker 4: like it felt like on the next four okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: we resolve, but it just felt like that win. And
Speaker 4: you see how this week has been going. You hear
Speaker 4: what coaches are saying in the media, You hear what
Speaker 4: players are saying in the media. You know, you see
Speaker 4: you're seeing guys you know pop up on the injury report,
Speaker 4: like things don't things don't feel settled right like things
Speaker 4: feel like we're and even though yeah we three weeks in,
Speaker 4: but this feels more desperate, chaotic, like it feels like,
Speaker 4: you know, s O Wes, the alarms are going off
Speaker 4: and and and a lost Sunday would really rock the
Speaker 4: boat in this building. I just felt like that that
Speaker 4: loss felt terrible. It did. It felt really bad. So
Speaker 4: to answer your question, yeah, man, sometimes I think just
Speaker 4: spiral out of control and there's nothing that you can do.
Speaker 4: You're looking at that clock.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, in each position.
Speaker 6: For our guys, I don't know if these young bloods
Speaker 6: can take. But you have a boisterous guy like Michael
Speaker 6: Irving who can't get that ball. He can't get that
Speaker 6: ball and it ain't troy fault and it ain't his fault.
Speaker 1: That the people that's keeping him from that ball. And
Speaker 1: I mean, we just did not It was just total chaos. Bro.
Speaker 8: They was at us, other guys on the field, like
Speaker 8: Kendrick should be like, I'm getting my ass kicked here
Speaker 8: because you guys aren't holding up the front.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: I think he would say something to him.
Speaker 6: They're in it together, you know, like Emmett was in
Speaker 6: it with us. Now we got we were the ones
Speaker 6: offensive mine, but emmittt was in it with us.
Speaker 1: But all up.
Speaker 6: Defense, they're like they're looking at it like wow, you know,
Speaker 6: turning to something like big fellow, roomy, roomy, big roommate, roomy,
Speaker 6: what's up? And it went from a nice into cussing.
Speaker 6: We were more vocal, man like the fourth and short,
Speaker 6: you know, the fourth and whatever.
Speaker 1: We didn't get man, we we had to take.
Speaker 6: That all the way to I was so happy to
Speaker 6: get on the off the plane, into my car and
Speaker 6: going home to my.
Speaker 1: Wife because it just didn't stop.
Speaker 6: People walked by you to the point where you thought
Speaker 6: the stewardess were staring at you left ye left leaven
Speaker 6: The Steward's like not so good of the day.
Speaker 4: And that had to be a pretty difficult film to
Speaker 4: watch because when you when you put fourth effort or
Speaker 4: lack thereof effort like that, and I'm you're supposed to
Speaker 4: be accountable to the men that you're in this room with,
Speaker 4: because there's one there's there's a difference between you losing
Speaker 4: because I can lose, like if Darrel Revis was defending
Speaker 4: me and I didn't get to catch that game, probably
Speaker 4: a bad game for me. But you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: right Like, in the same respective, if you're the real
Speaker 4: Revis and Jesse Holly goes off of five for one
Speaker 4: o two in a touchdown. Not a good look, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like you just so it's one
Speaker 4: thing to lose, and it's another thing to go. Man, Man,
Speaker 4: shoot man. That looked they were just man, they were
Speaker 4: just better than you know, and there's another thing to
Speaker 4: get whooped. And then you turn on the film and
Speaker 4: you looking and you saying, oh no, you ain't even
Speaker 4: give effort. Dog, You ain't even you ain't even try,
Speaker 4: like it ain't any just better than us. Brother, They
Speaker 4: blocked you off the ball for nine yards.
Speaker 1: I tell your story, man, get larger and larger.
Speaker 6: Tell you something. We were playing New York Giants. I
Speaker 6: think it was coach Johnson's first year and we were
Speaker 6: up there in the old Stadium and this when we
Speaker 6: had the outside waits and coach Ward was our strength
Speaker 6: coach and uh, you know Jimmy always kind of skeptical,
Speaker 6: but about all of that, you know, he wanted you know,
Speaker 6: you know, solid things, and you know we boxing and
Speaker 6: you know all this new stuff they doing today, we
Speaker 6: was doing it back then and it was it was
Speaker 6: first in gold and Coach Johns said, run it every time.
Speaker 6: Harry Carson's and the young Banks and a young uh
Speaker 6: Lawrence Taylor, And I can't thank of the other guy
Speaker 6: that they learn Marshall, they they boy, they stopped cold
Speaker 6: blooded four times in a row. Jimmy say that. I
Speaker 6: can't say it exactly. Just would never ever happen again.
Speaker 6: Some his's gonna roll. As soon as you see was over,
Speaker 6: coach Ward was gone. They redid the whole way.
Speaker 1: He was not joking.
Speaker 6: Wow, and uh we had to hear that and we couldn't.
Speaker 6: It was like we was two and a half hours
Speaker 6: into the flight. We was thirty minutes from landing before
Speaker 6: he even served us some food.
Speaker 5: Well, y'all just terrified on the plane after a long.
Speaker 1: No, you weren't terrified because he was a man and
Speaker 1: you want scatter that. But he controlled your destiny right.
Speaker 1: It wasn't no guarantee money. You know, you got cut
Speaker 1: into checks.
Speaker 5: Well, y'all like a bunch of kids in the back
Speaker 5: of the.
Speaker 1: Plane and come back there like we just passing them around.
Speaker 6: No, we just paying it ain't gonna feed it. We
Speaker 6: just drink ourselves. Well, he'll come back to the man
Speaker 6: just and see the thing about it, Now, this is
Speaker 6: what made coach John's Special Michael, Everyone's gonna be talking
Speaker 6: to you, Troy Aigman wont be all that studs they and.
Speaker 4: That is you, bro.
Speaker 1: There is your difference.
Speaker 4: Okay, you you. I probably shouldn't say, but I want
Speaker 4: to say this.
Speaker 1: Don't say it, don't say it.
Speaker 5: Should we take a break and let.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. Let's take a break. Let's talking
Speaker 1: about it. Take a break. We're bak whenever we like
Speaker 1: you on the.
Speaker 5: Show, the dynamic.
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Speaker 5: Let's talk about the running game. But first, so Jesse.
Speaker 5: Jesse talked about something that I think is I think
Speaker 5: it's it's important, and Tom Brady talked talked a little
Speaker 5: hit on it in the broadcast, and we talked about
Speaker 5: on the show this week how the game has changed
Speaker 5: behind closed doors and socially. And Tom said in the
Speaker 5: broadcast when they were talking about Jalen Croppers slipping and
Speaker 5: do you go back to him? To Brooks, I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: Jayalen Brooks, do you go back to him? And Tom said,
Speaker 5: not today, right, And that was and guess what that was,
Speaker 5: y'all's mentality?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Not not today? Not today? Maybe maybe tomorrow, maybe the
Speaker 5: day after, but not today. I'm not talking to you.
Speaker 5: So I may have told this story on the air before,
Speaker 5: but my buddy went to college with Tom Brady and
Speaker 5: he was like a seventh or eighth eight string wide receiver.
Speaker 5: He played on he played on kick coverage and he
Speaker 5: was like a fifth or sixth string dB, but it
Speaker 5: was really fast. He ran like a four four forty
Speaker 5: And they were out practicing doing like he was white. Yeah,
Speaker 5: real fast. Yeah, and uh, he'll let you know that
Speaker 5: he played for Michigan, but you know, you have to
Speaker 5: dig a little fine out. He played special, but he
Speaker 5: did get he did He got in on one defensive
Speaker 5: series against Michigan State and got a got an I
Speaker 5: n T like last game of the year of senior season.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so he's got a little cred. But he
Speaker 5: was really good friends with Drew Henson and whenever Drew
Speaker 5: was there and Tom took over and all that. But
Speaker 5: they were out running offensive drills in the off season
Speaker 5: spring and they were running routes and everything, and Tom
Speaker 5: was out there and he was lined up and he
Speaker 5: ran like a go route and Tom laid it out perfect,
Speaker 5: but he had to step to get that last catch,
Speaker 5: and he stepped on a storm drain and his foot
Speaker 5: slipped and his cleak caught and his knee buckled and
Speaker 5: he dropped the ball. And he said, Tom, in a
Speaker 5: dead sprint, ran forty yards till dog cussing him the
Speaker 5: whole way, and he's like, Tom, I almost dislocated my knee.
Speaker 5: Tom goes, I don't give up. F If the ball
Speaker 5: hits your hands, I don't care if your leg falls off,
Speaker 5: you catch the ball. You catch the ball. If I
Speaker 5: throw it to you and it touches your hand, you
Speaker 5: catch it. And he didn't talk to him the rest
Speaker 5: of the day.
Speaker 1: He said.
Speaker 5: The very next day he went to the training room.
Speaker 5: Tom's there before any of the trainers. The doors are locked,
Speaker 5: sitting in the hall is when they have books. They
Speaker 5: didn't have iPads, and he's reading his playbook and he
Speaker 5: looks up and they're the only ones in the building
Speaker 5: and he looks up and he goes, he goes, what's up, Tom?
Speaker 5: You see, looked up, He looked back down. He never
Speaker 5: spoke to my buddy again the whole time they were
Speaker 5: at Michigan because of that one instance. And we were
Speaker 5: just talking about in the break, how the social dynamic
Speaker 5: has changed now to where when you were a winner,
Speaker 5: you didn't associate with people you didn't deem as winners,
Speaker 5: right like that, Like y'all right, Nate. Back in the day,
Speaker 5: it was and that's the way, you know, and Brady
Speaker 5: blow and behold becomes the best quarterback in the But
Speaker 5: that's the mentality he had every single day. And this
Speaker 5: is you know, he could have just blown it off
Speaker 5: at spring, they're just out, no coaches around, They're just
Speaker 5: throwing the ball around. This guy almost breaks his kneecap
Speaker 5: and okay, I get it. No he that was it
Speaker 5: and he didn't have anything to do with him, and
Speaker 5: that was you know, And just wondering where that that changed,
Speaker 5: because it seems like Eve and your leaders now aren't
Speaker 5: aren't geared that way. The leadership is on any team,
Speaker 5: not just this team, but you know, and in sports,
Speaker 5: and I mean Kobe had that mentality, right, he was
Speaker 5: a MIC's like still like that, right, But at some
Speaker 5: point between then and you know, Jesse, we were talking
Speaker 5: to Break, it was still there when when you were playing.
Speaker 5: So somewhere between there and here, it's gotten to where
Speaker 5: it's you know, it's okay to enforced mediocrity. And I'm
Speaker 5: not listening, I'm not labeling this team and not talking
Speaker 5: about what happened this week. I'm just talking about sports
Speaker 5: in general. But at some point it's become okay in
Speaker 5: team sports to be okay at a high level.
Speaker 1: And I like that man, you I mean, he had
Speaker 1: some conversation.
Speaker 6: I just you know, suggests. Can you answer that long
Speaker 6: winded eight hour question?
Speaker 4: Was still like I'm always we always laugh and say
Speaker 4: that some of the things that we say in the
Speaker 4: break should be in pay per view and make y'all
Speaker 4: paid twenty nine.
Speaker 5: That was a good one.
Speaker 4: I'm still a little bit human from that because that
Speaker 4: like I just I don't know, man, and I don't
Speaker 4: I don't want to.
Speaker 5: You don't want to step in it, leadership, don't gagem
Speaker 5: on Curt. He's trying to say, I too worked up
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 1: Because I.
Speaker 5: Jump jump, get you off side.
Speaker 6: The thing that is is we're saying, I think this
Speaker 6: started because we started laughing when we say we're supposed
Speaker 6: to talk about our defense today.
Speaker 1: That's where you started it. In the back.
Speaker 9: That's where it all started, before we even came in here,
Speaker 9: that's where it started. We won't tell everybody what happened.
Speaker 6: I told him, y'all can do to show without me
Speaker 6: today because we talked about defense.
Speaker 1: I have nothing to say.
Speaker 6: Come on, man, The bottom line is this, And I
Speaker 6: don't know who started this rumor that if overshown would
Speaker 6: have played more snaps, it would have been a different outcome.
Speaker 6: And for you, I'm going to use a Jesse deal.
Speaker 6: All of you who have all twenty two. Don't know
Speaker 6: what you're looking at, because if you couldn't see, our
Speaker 6: linebackers did not have any space to maneuver on the
Speaker 6: most important place.
Speaker 1: You don't know what you're looking at.
Speaker 6: It don't matter I was overshown, whether it was Jack Lambert,
Speaker 6: it don't matter. When you push guys back into the
Speaker 6: laps of the linebackers, that's not right, and the linebackers
Speaker 6: have no room to maneuver.
Speaker 1: But I will tell you.
Speaker 6: How our defense have to beat this team. You know,
Speaker 6: just my opinion. You may disagree. We have to somehow
Speaker 6: someone let them know they can't run the ball.
Speaker 1: And more importantly, lamar.
Speaker 6: Jackson, because if he feels he can't run the ball,
Speaker 6: then he gonna scream to his coach and he can
Speaker 6: at least thus throw him out of there. This is
Speaker 6: how you get them, This is how everybody beat him
Speaker 6: in the playoffs. You start with a soft rush. You
Speaker 6: never get up past him, You never rush around him,
Speaker 6: you never take four steps past him. You rush right
Speaker 6: up to him as a wall. Your two tackles about
Speaker 6: even your defensive ends a live it far the end,
Speaker 6: and you have an umbrella. And your umbrella the guy
Speaker 6: that spying him, whoever it may be. Y'all can decide.
Speaker 6: All you great fans can decide. You all twenty twos
Speaker 6: can decide. But don't step towards that line. Almost drop
Speaker 6: back into a soft, soft middle. Just drop back two
Speaker 6: or three yards into the middle. So when he come
Speaker 6: out of one of those holes, you can get him.
Speaker 6: But if you step up two or three yards behind
Speaker 6: your defensive line with that soft umbrella, you automatically lose
Speaker 6: the angle. I don't care if it's overshown Marathile. You
Speaker 6: can go get Dion Sanders. I don't care who you get.
Speaker 6: You automatically lose your angles. So now, if you want
Speaker 6: to beat them, hold them under one hundred and forty
Speaker 6: yards rushing SERIOI, because you one hundred and forty keep
Speaker 6: them up onder one hundred and not including including him
Speaker 6: Lamar Henry Big henryep because you're gonna have to let
Speaker 6: him run a liveit. So you do slow him down.
Speaker 6: You may not stop him, but you slow him down,
Speaker 6: but you want him to have to pass you. Now,
Speaker 6: I could be wrong, but that that's the only way
Speaker 6: I think we can beat them, because if they have
Speaker 6: a two way go, if they running for one hundred
Speaker 6: and ninety yards and this boy thrown for two hundred
Speaker 6: yards the game over.
Speaker 8: So is it better in some ways? Instead of concentrating
Speaker 8: on the pressure and the trying to sack him, you're
Speaker 8: just trying to contain him.
Speaker 6: Some guys, why would you you let Tink come screaming
Speaker 6: down in a three or four times and leave an
Speaker 6: opening hold.
Speaker 1: Of his dogs?
Speaker 5: He gone, Man, you.
Speaker 6: Can't take liberties with this guy. Uh, and I and
Speaker 6: I overdid it. You gotta hold them around about one
Speaker 6: hundred and ten yards rushing because that that forty yard
Speaker 6: maybe a strength that yeah, but that's how I look
Speaker 6: at beating them.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: But if if you let Henry come straight downhill, you're
Speaker 6: gonna have to your middle linebacker and your two tackles
Speaker 6: gonna have their hands full.
Speaker 1: Okay, he go down and he reading the defensive end.
Speaker 6: Defense end can't mess around, and like Jesse said, that's
Speaker 6: when you have a replacement, right, because they ain't.
Speaker 1: Gonna let that that.
Speaker 6: They ain't gonna let that linebacker scrape off of them,
Speaker 6: So they gonna have the guard tackle deucing down to
Speaker 6: the linebacker. Now the defensive end is sitting there now,
Speaker 6: either safety or a corner.
Speaker 1: Gotta make this move, and if you.
Speaker 6: Move too quick, he'll he'll he'll pull up and go
Speaker 6: straight down the line and dump that thing off.
Speaker 1: They got a nice tight end and lively.
Speaker 6: This kid hadn't grown over the last two years, from
Speaker 6: being tired on national TV a couple of years ago,
Speaker 6: to blocking folks in the ground and then to catching
Speaker 6: that rock.
Speaker 1: So he allowed Andrews to take his time to come back.
Speaker 1: But I still.
Speaker 6: Believe I saw some throws where he was hitting people.
Speaker 6: You're like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Then you'll see some throws where he miss guys wide open.
Speaker 8: So what scares you more the speed of Lamar getting
Speaker 8: loose or the bulk of Henry just barreling at you.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna take my chance with Henry Lamar. This dude
Speaker 6: is man. He is truly video style man. He I
Speaker 6: don't even want to talk.
Speaker 5: So you're more scared of Lamar.
Speaker 1: You're more scared of la Lamar, Lamar Lamar.
Speaker 5: You're more scared of Henry Lamar, both of you because
Speaker 5: even though Henry Lamar right up the middle, Lamar just
Speaker 5: because of their looseness and the big play capability.
Speaker 4: Because when he gets loose, he gets loose, and like
Speaker 4: I said, I said in a tweet, you can't let
Speaker 4: Lamar is the big jackpop winner. You got to give
Speaker 4: up penny slot wins. You can't give up the bigs jacket.
Speaker 4: And Lamar is a home run hitter like he's the
Speaker 4: big because what happens is when you don't get him
Speaker 4: but the first guy, no one else has accounted for him.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying. And that's why when you
Speaker 4: have to play eleven on eleven football because normally, to
Speaker 4: be honest with you, most of the time you're playing
Speaker 4: eleven on because people don't account for the count for
Speaker 4: the quarterback to do that style of running.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So now I have to take a dedicated man who
Speaker 4: won't rush, who won't be in coverage, who will strictly
Speaker 4: be on him, which means in other areas I'm going
Speaker 4: to be light right, I either got to zone it up,
Speaker 4: man it up, or zone in some areas of man
Speaker 4: in some other areas well, what happens if he what
Speaker 4: happens when he breaks containment and he gets to that
Speaker 4: man's side and he beats the guy that was scheduled
Speaker 4: for him, Nobody gets nobody to get him. That turns
Speaker 4: into a forty forty yard run right, and he ain't
Speaker 4: he ain't mobile. He fast. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: there's a difference. Patrick Mahons is mobile this joke of fast.
Speaker 5: Explain and unless you and I've had the privilege of
Speaker 5: being on the sideline during the game when there's somebody
Speaker 5: that's fast on the feet, it's different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he out to nature points outruns your angles.
Speaker 1: It's different.
Speaker 4: It is. It's completely different from being a mobile dude
Speaker 4: and being fast. And when you think you got an
Speaker 4: angle on him, excuse screwed?
Speaker 1: He gone.
Speaker 6: Michael Vig, Steve Young. Back when I played and when
Speaker 6: you played, those were those type guys, Michael Vig, Steve Young,
Speaker 6: you know, especially Steve, you know, bigger, you know, left
Speaker 6: handed cat. He already on the wrong side. Vick too,
Speaker 6: was already on the wrong side. But you was scared
Speaker 6: of his past the way you was scared of Steve's.
Speaker 6: You know, they pumping and you jump up at you.
Speaker 5: It's like tomorrow he's he's shifty and quick. And then
Speaker 5: Darren Sprolls is fast, like maybe it's because he's so
Speaker 5: low to the ground. It just is like he's moving quicker,
Speaker 5: But dude, he I mean, it's different fastest on the
Speaker 5: football field.
Speaker 1: It's the thing about Camara.
Speaker 6: He turned twenty six pounds. So when you think you
Speaker 6: Finn bust him up, that's best. That best the cats up.
Speaker 6: I'm serious. The majority of them cats when they hit him.
Speaker 5: Didn't know how strong you were.
Speaker 1: Like, wow, this is something.
Speaker 6: Sit this dude, and then we taste someone and see
Speaker 6: see how you're right, Jess.
Speaker 1: That was a double beating because look at it's Thursday
Speaker 1: and we still talk about the Saints. That's a double beating. Man.
Speaker 1: Some beatings are hard to come up off of.
Speaker 8: They're worried about getting hit by Kamara, and hell, what
Speaker 8: are they gonna do when Henry comes out real quick?
Speaker 5: Before we go to break U great stat here by
Speaker 5: Kurt Jackson leads the NFL and average rushing yards before
Speaker 5: contact with six, Henry's tied for ninth and yards after
Speaker 5: contact with two point seven.
Speaker 1: He falls forward.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and who are you more scared of the quickness Jackson?
Speaker 6: The thing that hurts is they both helped one another.
Speaker 6: You're gonna have to be very, very disciplined, and you're
Speaker 6: gonna have to in this case we're playing here, right,
Speaker 6: you're gonna have to grab turf and a lot of
Speaker 6: times when they deuce block you, especially that tackle because
Speaker 6: that tackle has full back responsibilities. But they're gonna douce
Speaker 6: you going to that middle linebacker of going.
Speaker 1: To that place.
Speaker 6: You mean, what do you mean by do guys getting
Speaker 6: hip to help and moving you? I thought you meant yeah, No, Nah,
Speaker 6: they ain't gonna They ain't gonna douce. You're trying to
Speaker 6: get that vun right, You're trying to get that deuce.
Speaker 4: One grabbing turf.
Speaker 8: They just need to fall down.
Speaker 1: Turf man and crab back at them.
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Speaker 1: Back to Hang in with the Bulls.
Speaker 5: Welcome back to the final segment of Hanging with the Boys,
Speaker 5: brought you each and every day by Jigsaw, the proud
Speaker 5: dating partner of Cowboys. Do you want to talk Uh,
Speaker 5: we didn't get to a whole lot of the run sheet.
Speaker 5: You want to talk about that?
Speaker 8: Or actually got a lot to.
Speaker 5: Talk about the Hall of Fame nominees real quick?
Speaker 8: Sure?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 5: Tell me your thoughts on these. Tell me if you're
Speaker 5: do we want to say in or out? Or do
Speaker 5: we just want to go through the list? What do
Speaker 5: you guys want to do?
Speaker 4: I'll just go through and we'll just say in or out.
Speaker 5: All right, let's start with one interesting name that I'll
Speaker 5: just say off the top of the bat that I
Speaker 5: didn't even know h was going to be nominated. Travis Frederick,
Speaker 5: which I don't think he played long enough to to Yeah,
Speaker 5: you think if maybe he had like a fourteen to
Speaker 5: fifteen year career, he would have he'd been in pretty Yeah,
Speaker 5: some more Pro Bowls. And did they change? Do you
Speaker 5: think that the criteria it used to be you had
Speaker 5: to have a pretty long career ten plus years? It
Speaker 5: was pretty good.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: When Terrell Davis got in that kind of reset that bar.
Speaker 4: I'll say this for even for Terrell Davis, like and
Speaker 4: I think Deonna said it. I forgot who said it,
Speaker 4: but it was always talking about could you tell the
Speaker 4: story of the league and leave out that person? And
Speaker 4: I think Terrell Davis had a it wasn't a long
Speaker 4: It wasn't When I say season, I mean like a
Speaker 4: moment in time like Terrell had like a three four year.
Speaker 1: Joint.
Speaker 6: He was the back, was nobody touching him, Him and
Speaker 6: his offensive line coach created the stretch play.
Speaker 1: It was did it really? This is what they used
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 4: And take a take a while, guess what coach was
Speaker 4: of that under.
Speaker 6: Coolby shot shot shot, original shot and the second half
Speaker 6: of that was who Gibbs Shanahan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Shanahan was originated Shanahan and Gibbs was his offensive line coach.
Speaker 6: He had undersized guys and he said, how could I
Speaker 6: make this work? And he started to stretch play or
Speaker 6: what people call the zone, the zone inside outside.
Speaker 5: That's the zone that you talk about.
Speaker 6: You take it to the outside rear of the tackle
Speaker 6: and take one cut.
Speaker 1: We don't want you jermming around. Take it all the
Speaker 1: way there. One cut.
Speaker 6: You can make that cut outside that tackle all the
Speaker 6: way back to the backside of the backside guard.
Speaker 4: Hans run the ball now.
Speaker 6: They said that the way you get into the Hall
Speaker 6: of Fame is when I was coming through. You either
Speaker 6: have a long, lustorous career, are you impact the league?
Speaker 1: And I think that's.
Speaker 4: Where two thousand yards they want back to back super Bowls.
Speaker 4: She was MVP of the league.
Speaker 1: He gave always something he couldn't get by him.
Speaker 4: Like he had he had a moment in time when
Speaker 4: you looked up you were like, we couldn't tell that
Speaker 4: period of time without talking about that Broncos team and
Speaker 4: that player on that Broncos.
Speaker 1: Team and that system.
Speaker 5: Stretch play I don't remember a I say that on
Speaker 5: here a lot trash memory. It's a bad memory.
Speaker 6: And I also and I'm talking about my boy, and
Speaker 6: I'm still hot over here.
Speaker 4: Y'all know I'm simmering over here.
Speaker 5: You don't say that because like I don't ever want
Speaker 5: to say something, and y'all go, no, that's wrong. And
Speaker 5: I'm like, if I say I can't remember, then it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I forgot about that, So that way, I'm not wrong.
Speaker 5: But I don't in my memory, I don't remember a
Speaker 5: group with this many really solid players that could or
Speaker 5: could not be first time ballot guys. So let's just
Speaker 5: go through it.
Speaker 4: And before you start there, like I think we're getting
Speaker 4: to that point now where we're talking about the criteria
Speaker 4: is changing. It's like you had you had this grouping
Speaker 4: of just man twenty thirty years of just hell of
Speaker 4: five players, studs, steads, studs, and so now we're getting
Speaker 4: to the point where it's spaced out a little bit
Speaker 4: more like all those guys are in right, So now
Speaker 4: you're looking at it differently than when you're looking like
Speaker 4: those dudes told the story of the National Football League
Speaker 4: in the seventies and the eighties and the nineties and
Speaker 4: now you're getting to where it's more spaced out, you know,
Speaker 4: and so go ahead.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, No, this is this is an interesting one. Adam,
Speaker 5: Vinnie and I think he's got to be in.
Speaker 1: And these are the up to date guys.
Speaker 5: These are these are the first time, Yes, sir Adam Vivneitier.
Speaker 5: What do you think, Kurt?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we vote for Kurt, me and Jesse.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is an interesting one. Earl Thomas, part of
Speaker 5: one of the best defenses in recent recent history, was
Speaker 5: a key player.
Speaker 4: His off the field stuff is going to make him
Speaker 4: have to wait.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: I think you get in eventually, eventually, but not first
Speaker 5: not the first ballot. We think that, yeah, yeah, first time.
Speaker 1: No, you have to wait.
Speaker 5: I have to wait. Keep to leave his.
Speaker 4: Off the field stuff. I don't think he's good enough
Speaker 4: player and his off the field stuff ain't. Definitely he
Speaker 4: ain't getting it.
Speaker 5: For his ballot Antoine, but THEEA.
Speaker 4: No, he's nice, but antn't even getting in. He had
Speaker 4: to wait here getting in. Here's a really good play.
Speaker 4: Here's an interesting one. Terrell sugs, he's in. You're talking
Speaker 4: about the raven Ravens he's.
Speaker 6: You're talking about played with great, great players, right, Yes,
Speaker 6: he's in to be in right, one of those.
Speaker 4: Great that defense will have four or five.
Speaker 1: He should without a doubt.
Speaker 5: Uh luke Keikley short career, got to be in there,
Speaker 5: one of the best to do it right, he'll be
Speaker 5: in th Panthers.
Speaker 4: Not he won't be first ballot though, No, no, not
Speaker 4: first ballot.
Speaker 1: No he won't.
Speaker 5: Sugs yes, first sug yes.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 5: Marshall jan the offensive lineman.
Speaker 4: Also team not first ballot, no curse.
Speaker 6: No, but the eventually eventually, uh maybe a while, not
Speaker 6: a while in at three three three tries.
Speaker 5: Joe Staley, Now, who did he play for the Browns?
Speaker 5: The Browns long time?
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, really good this new criteria. When is the
Speaker 6: last time a Brown got in?
Speaker 4: What's the Browns? Somebody recent?
Speaker 1: Was he?
Speaker 5: Joe Thomas was the last one? Joe Thomas two years ago,
Speaker 5: two or three years ago?
Speaker 1: He won't get in first bat.
Speaker 8: He was forty nine?
Speaker 4: Or I'm thinking of Joe Thomas jet oh no, no, no.
Speaker 1: No no no no no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4: I think I'm think of Joe Thomas.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Brian Khalil, who is he offensive lineman? Or who did
Speaker 5: he play for? Ryan?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 8: Saints Carolina?
Speaker 1: Mainly Carolina? Oh, come on now, come on now.
Speaker 5: Travis fredan El said, no, the Lady Walker. No, Ernie
Speaker 5: Davis is interesting.
Speaker 1: No, I can't win with it.
Speaker 5: The Marius Thomas No, speaking of Darren Sprolls too much
Speaker 5: of a gadget guy. Here's a really interesting one, because
Speaker 5: I think he was talented later in his career, but
Speaker 5: his his celebrity as far exceeded what I think he
Speaker 5: did on the field.
Speaker 6: Marshawn Lynch, I'm gonna tell you what you boy spoke
Speaker 6: on him last night. Your boy at Tyrone. They say, Tyrone,
Speaker 6: who is the toughest back you ever went against? Tyrone
Speaker 6: mentioned two other guys, he said, but the guy the
Speaker 6: hardest guy I ever tried to hit, and I didn't.
Speaker 6: When I hit him, I got ran over. He said,
Speaker 6: he ran over me. He said, he cleared the block
Speaker 6: so quick. He said, here's the back and the next
Speaker 6: thing he said, was on his back and just tracked
Speaker 6: right up. I said, for real, He said, for real,
Speaker 6: I don't know if he'll get in man, not for
Speaker 6: he won't get in man.
Speaker 8: Ten thousand rushing yard.
Speaker 6: He won't get in unless they put him in because
Speaker 6: he's a celebrity. He won't get in because you remember,
Speaker 6: this dude did not talk to the media, He did
Speaker 6: not get along with him, and media holes grudges, they
Speaker 6: hold grudges. Now, he won't get in. Thro If he do,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna crap my hands for not for him, but
Speaker 6: for the media. I'm not saying he's not good enough
Speaker 6: to be a Hall of Famer, but if they let
Speaker 6: him in on the first battle, media, my hat's off you.
Speaker 5: All right, here's the most interesting one of all, Eli Manning.
Speaker 1: What's his name? How many commercials as he made?
Speaker 5: I think the two Super Bowls?
Speaker 6: Does it?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 5: You can't you can't keep again, man, he'll he's a man.
Speaker 5: The only playoff game he ever won is when he
Speaker 5: wanted when he won.
Speaker 4: Super Bowls and ten.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like that's it, that's it.
Speaker 4: But he got to super Bowl and not only to
Speaker 4: get to Super Bowls. It's who he beat to get.
Speaker 5: Mister Brady on both of them, right, So he's got
Speaker 5: to he's got to.
Speaker 1: Be in, right.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, he'll be in.
Speaker 5: What a class though, that's a hell of a and
Speaker 5: I don't remember them usually putting up that many people
Speaker 5: do they.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah that first time. They'll throw a big list
Speaker 6: of them first time.
Speaker 5: And then you brought up Wood. He's still up m
Speaker 5: s yep.
Speaker 8: So he's not I don't think he's singing.
Speaker 5: He's still modern era.
Speaker 4: To get him in this this this list isn't good
Speaker 4: enough to where you're like, like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like I think, I think this is this might be
Speaker 4: the moment.
Speaker 1: All right, I hope you join me in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. Baby, what are you holding up there? Jesse?
Speaker 5: What we got here?
Speaker 4: We got we got some T shirts for my boy
Speaker 4: g from Jersey. That's how I got Jersey. Stand up.
Speaker 4: The reason you see that, you see you want to
Speaker 4: you want to know what winning looks like. You want
Speaker 4: to know what standard, what standard looks like.
Speaker 1: You want to see you want to see.
Speaker 4: Who wasn't going who wasn't gonna just take getting pushed around?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Right here?
Speaker 4: When when when when there was a standard, you couldn't
Speaker 4: you couldn't go out there and get trashed and be
Speaker 4: welcome back?
Speaker 6: Is he in the back of the man he's still
Speaker 6: almost I was just showing as one man's step. We
Speaker 6: was always close and you were.
Speaker 4: Able to get in and everybody shout out the chief
Speaker 4: from Jersey.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, it's a good week for our show. We got
Speaker 5: free wings yesterday, we got T shirts. Today, we're going
Speaker 5: to have dinner. Most of us we're going to go
Speaker 5: have dinner.
Speaker 1: So your boy, I know, my boy sold me up.
Speaker 1: But you know what, computer, I ain't giving up on
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Speaker 5: Good seeing your great show.
Speaker 9: Kurt, Jesse, Nate, Chris, thanks for keeping us on their Joesiejosh,
Speaker 9: thanks for keeping him company.
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