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Speaker 1: From the RAMS facility at Cal Lutheran. Welcome to a

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Speaker 1: new episode of Between the Horns. It is May thirty. First,

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Speaker 1: I'm Miles Simmons. I am joined by DeMarco far So

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Speaker 1: we are out here on the practice fields at Cal

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Speaker 1: lou You can kind of hear probably some jugs machine

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Speaker 1: action going on in the background, but you know, we

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Speaker 1: just completed day five of OTA practices and defar Just

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Speaker 1: what have been your impressions of this stuff. You know,

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Speaker 1: everybody's on the hop, everybody is. They seem pretty excited

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Speaker 1: to be out here. I mean every football team is

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Speaker 1: going to be excited to get back on the grass

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Speaker 1: at this time of year. I mean, you're getting closer

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Speaker 1: to actual training camps. So but I like what I

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Speaker 1: see out here as far as the freshness. I like

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Speaker 1: the way Sean McVay runs his OTAs his camps very efficient,

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Speaker 1: especially on the offensive side of the football. They get

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Speaker 1: a lot of work done in a short period of time.

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Speaker 1: So it's been fun to watch for me, you know,

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Speaker 1: for me too. And maybe it's just the new energy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's because of how much like I

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Speaker 1: love football, you know, and anytime you're just kind of

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Speaker 1: around the game and you're seeing these guys and they're

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Speaker 1: excited and all these things. It's fun to watch. But

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Speaker 1: I think we've seen a little bit of the way

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Speaker 1: this team is going to play. And I mean that

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Speaker 1: in the sense that you see, as you just said,

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Speaker 1: you know mcvay's practices. They're pretty up tempo. You see

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Speaker 1: all the work that they're gonna get done and not

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Speaker 1: necessarily saying that, Oh my gosh, all we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: is see the Rams go no huddle all the time.

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Speaker 1: But there's a sense of urgency I think to pretty

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Speaker 1: much everything that they've been doing. And I like that well.

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Speaker 1: I like coaching changes for that reason because it kind

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Speaker 1: of resets everything. I mean, all jobs are up for grabs,

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Speaker 1: everybody's in competition, and that's I think that's what you're

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Speaker 1: seeing with everybody hustling around to two different drills and

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Speaker 1: you know, trying to get their reps and you're trying

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Speaker 1: to impress your new coaches and vice versus. So it's

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Speaker 1: it's been a lot of fun. I've had more fun

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Speaker 1: watching this offense just to try to get a feel

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Speaker 1: for what they're going to try to do and who

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Speaker 1: they're going to try to feature. Now. You can't tell

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Speaker 1: an OTAs right now, thank god you can't, Yes, but

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Speaker 1: you kind of have an idea of there's an actual

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Speaker 1: structure being implemented right now, and that in itself is

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Speaker 1: a great thing that can help you in December. These

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Speaker 1: little base things that you're doing right now are bread

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Speaker 1: and butter stuff that you're working on. So that stuff's

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Speaker 1: been cool. It's been fun for me to watch the defense,

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Speaker 1: no doubt the three four. Now, I wish ninety nine

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Speaker 1: was here, you do. I wish Aaron Donald was here

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Speaker 1: so I can see what the defense would really look like.

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Speaker 1: But it's been fun watching Wade Phillips and this defense

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Speaker 1: kind of install what they're gonna do. Absolutely, So let's

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that, because once Aaron Donald

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Speaker 1: didn't get here, you and I were, you know, app practice,

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Speaker 1: and we say where is ninety nine? You know, because

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Speaker 1: I knew he wasn't in jail, right, But the thing

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Speaker 1: about it was, and we woth for saying this, that

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Speaker 1: it just it felt a little bit maybe out of

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Speaker 1: character for Aaron Donald not to be at football practice,

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Speaker 1: because we know how much he loves football, right, But

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Speaker 1: at some point, I mean with the way he's been

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Speaker 1: playing since he came into the National Football League. It's

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Speaker 1: about time for stuff like this to happen. It has

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Speaker 1: team and what he showed the National Football League, you

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Speaker 1: knew some sort of contract talk was gonna take place

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Speaker 1: this season. So if you didn't get it done before

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Speaker 1: OTAs or before minicamp, there's a good chance you might

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Speaker 1: not see him. So but you still expect to see

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Speaker 1: ninety nine on the field because you know he loves

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Speaker 1: it so much, right, And I think that was sort

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Speaker 1: of the reason why it was like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: at this time, and because it is voluntary, because it's

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Speaker 1: not costing Aaron Donald anything, I think it's fine that

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Speaker 1: it means a lot to him. He's just not here

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Speaker 1: you can actually absolutely trust away from the facility to

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Speaker 1: stay in shape. Now, you'd rather him be here with

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Speaker 1: the rest of the guys to build that camaraderie, to

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Speaker 1: be in on the jokes. And that's the funny thing, man,

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Speaker 1: I mean, all the pranks and jokes and bets. They

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Speaker 1: So I mean, you don't want to be away from

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Speaker 1: carry over. Now, as soon as he gets here, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be like he never left. We all know that.

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Speaker 1: But you want your guys around you and with you

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Speaker 1: twenty four to seven when they should be. So when

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Speaker 1: it's a situation like this, you understand it. Sure. But

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Speaker 1: but you know, having played yourself, what kind of things

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Speaker 1: do you think he's really missing by not being here

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Speaker 1: this point but just being with Robert, being with borrowing,

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Speaker 1: understanding what Michael Brockers is going to do in this situation,

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Speaker 1: in this front and coverage that Wade Phillips is called,

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Speaker 1: what the meeting room is going to be, like, what

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Speaker 1: the adjustments are going to be, you know, what the

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Speaker 1: But like I said, I mean everyone in that locker room,

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Speaker 1: it's not like this is he was joking when he

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Speaker 1: And you know, from what Sean mcfah has said, from

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Speaker 1: back on the field and learning this. Absolutely, if we

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Speaker 1: to OTAs right, yeah, I mean, and he would probably

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Speaker 1: try to fight us over I want to go play football.

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Speaker 1: But hey, look this is what you hired us for.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get you the best deal possible. And look,

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Speaker 1: I know you don't like to talk about yourself in

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Speaker 1: this light, but you are one of the best defensive

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Speaker 1: don't foresee your problem. Well, and the other thing about

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Speaker 1: once it starts costing a guy something, yeah, then that

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Speaker 1: I think serves as a little bit more motivation, even

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Speaker 1: if it is, you know, some chump change only for

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Speaker 1: the play or whatever. That's funny. Voluntary only all pros?

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Speaker 1: It's only for all pros? Is it voluntary for everyone else?

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Speaker 1: the NFL. We're working. Where else would you rather be sure?

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Speaker 1: If you're a football player, if you have designs on

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Speaker 1: or being a superstar, at some point when football stuff happens,

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Speaker 1: you want to be there. Well. The other aspect of

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Speaker 1: two days anymore in training camps, so this does it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it sucks because I went two days. So you think

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Speaker 1: That's so ridiculous. That's too bad. No, it's it's pretty ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: So what that's that's sometimes tradition you should have super

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Speaker 1: like everyone. No, traditions are meant to be stopping. You

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Speaker 1: When I was in high school, we used to do

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Speaker 1: this thing called to eat Off, right, so the what

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Speaker 1: to eat Off? The eat Off? Yeah, yes, this sounds

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Speaker 1: so we would get and it was the family we

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Speaker 1: it didn't just go my names on the podcast I did. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that was that was crazy? But get one on one

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Speaker 1: it's fine, we haven't been on the podcast. But so

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Speaker 1: So people would have to eat like fifty chicken nuggets,

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Speaker 1: And so basically at a certain point, it's like, all right,

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Speaker 1: because my point is that some traditions need to be

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Speaker 1: stopped because they're ridiculous. Two days aren't ridiculous. I know

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Speaker 1: that's yes, there are hall of famers that hold the

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Speaker 1: that oh their whole careers to two a day. I

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Speaker 1: guess like I sort of reversed my own point. You like,

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Speaker 1: think that's one of the most interesting things though. But

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Speaker 1: to the point of, okay, who is the number one guy?

427
00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,679
Speaker 1: Maybe it is Robert Woods, But I don't necessarily know

428
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Speaker 1: that you have to classify somebody as the number one guy,

429
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,000
Speaker 1: because when you're with the names you just brought up,

430
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 1: the Julio Jones, the aj Greens that even the Antonio

431
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 1: Browns of the world. Yeah they have they have pet

432
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,960
Speaker 1: that means they go to the Pro Bowl a lot.

433
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,200
Speaker 1: It's not in Hawaiian I know, that's what that's the

434
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 1: best to say. They're they're wearing Mickey Mouse ears on

435
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,479
Speaker 1: their helmets. Can we say that? Now I have attended

436
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. But yes, I'm said

437
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 1: that there are only so many of those guys that

438
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 1: are in the league right now, right, you know, and

439
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 1: there are only so many of those guys that didn't give.

440
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 1: But I do know that there's only so many of

441
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,400
Speaker 1: those guys in the league. But there's only so many

442
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks too, exactly, the actually I could make

443
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,440
Speaker 1: those guys. So look, the better golf gets, the better

444
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 1: these receivers are going to get. Exactly. So the thing

445
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,880
Speaker 1: I think about golf right now, should I say whatever

446
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 1: quarterback it is, Well, I don't know. I mean, you

447
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 1: know what's funny? Okay, So we can get into this too.

448
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean, yesterday of a headline what happened yesterday, I

449
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,880
Speaker 1: mean people were saying, like, oh, Sean McVay didn't give

450
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 1: such a roumi endorsement to Jared Goff, and like, I

451
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 1: don't know if you the way, It didn't come off

452
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 1: like that to me. I think he was just kind

453
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Speaker 1: of politely. Sports talk radio probably would take it that

454
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 1: way because they need to fill four hours, sure, of course,

455
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 1: and there's not that necessarily much going on in the

456
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 1: world of sports, right I bet Belichick would say the

457
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 1: same thing about Brady. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's the way

458
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 1: you should that's the way you should speak. Exactly. You know,

459
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: you see good things from different quarterbacks, You're going to

460
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Speaker 1: play the one and gives you the best chance to win.

461
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Speaker 1: And I think if you look at the end of

462
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Speaker 1: that quote, he said that guy's clearly Jared right now.

463
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 1: You know, so I'm not I don't think that there

464
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: is necessarily an open quarterback competition. But if something were

465
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 1: to happen and Sean Manyon is showing more than Jared

466
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: Goffer even don't Dobson, you know it would be showing it.

467
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: You know what's going to be Jared Goff. Yes, I

468
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 1: just don't see that happening because Jared Goff, I think

469
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,959
Speaker 1: has done a nice job so far. That's almost as

470
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Speaker 1: fun as like trying to compare Lebron to Michael Jordan. Stop.

471
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Speaker 1: I mean, really, you're I know why you're saying you

472
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 1: got feel like eight out world? Why? Why why am

473
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 1: I saying that? Because because you know I'm a Lebron

474
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Speaker 1: I know, I know Slash Cavs fan. Yes, we can talk.

475
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that later. We don't need to

476
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Speaker 1: talk about that. That's really the end of the post.

477
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Speaker 1: Don't ruin my run, just trying to end it. You're

478
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Speaker 1: an assaulted me twice. No, But I think what we've

479
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Speaker 1: seen out of Jared Goff is just the sense of accuracy.

480
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Speaker 1: Talking to Matt Laflour, a couple of weeks ago, he's

481
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Speaker 1: something um rookie mini camp. He said that he actually

482
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Speaker 1: has been a little bit pleasantly surprised by just how

483
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Speaker 1: accurate Jared Goff has been in practices, and I think

484
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Speaker 1: he has kind of translated that throughout the off season

485
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Speaker 1: program now into OTAs, which we're we're able to see. Well,

486
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Speaker 1: you know, if you go back and look at what

487
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins did and how he matured as a quarterback,

488
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: you can look right to his accuracy, his completion percentage

489
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Speaker 1: and how it went up and up and up, and

490
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 1: now the guy's worth what the twenty million dollars quarterback

491
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 1: at least, yeah, at least that much. So, I mean,

492
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Speaker 1: I think that might be the first thing you can

493
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Speaker 1: point and say that could be a function of the

494
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Speaker 1: offense or how he's being coached. Your accuracy is there,

495
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: knowing where to go with the football and trusting the

496
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: guys in the pattern will make your completion percentage automatically

497
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: go up. So maybe maybe it's a function of that.

498
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Speaker 1: But I've, like you said, I've been impressed with his

499
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Speaker 1: arm strength more those accuracy in OTAs. I mean, he's

500
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Speaker 1: really getting the ball out and he's getting it out

501
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: quick and it's getting there in a blank. So you

502
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: saw shades and signs of that last year, but to

503
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Speaker 1: see it when he's the starter from day one in

504
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: OTAs and he's in the huddle every single time with

505
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Speaker 1: the starting unit, you can really see what could be

506
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Speaker 1: if you actually get protection for him. Yes, And I

507
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: think that makes a significant difference, just the mentality of

508
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Speaker 1: coming in not necessarily just being the number one overall pick.

509
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Speaker 1: You know, the rams went up and they traded for you,

510
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: and then you still have to learn the offense. You

511
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: have to learn where you're going to live, you know

512
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: what life is going to be like in the NFL.

513
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: Having that one year of it and then beat out

514
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: a gay right, Yeah, not having that one year of

515
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: experience coming in knowing that you're going to be the starter.

516
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Speaker 1: I think that probably makes world of difference mentally. But

517
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Speaker 1: also I think you got to you got to talk

518
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Speaker 1: about who is around Jared Goff Now just from a

519
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: coaching standpoint, right, I mean with Sean McVeagh as the

520
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: head coach, with Matt Lafleur as the offensive coordinator, with

521
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: Greg Olson as the quarterbacks coach, they have created a

522
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Speaker 1: unit that can help Jared Goff get to the next

523
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: level as an NFL quarterback. And Andrew Whitworth is now

524
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: your left tackle. That helps. That would definitely help. We

525
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: should call him Eclipse. That guy blocks a lot of sun.

526
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Speaker 1: That's funny. I mean he is huge. Yeah, that would

527
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: definitely help my confidence as a quarterback, having that guy,

528
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, protecting my blindside. But you know, having a

529
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: good coaching staff, having a good plan offensively, and having

530
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: a young quarterback that's you know, like a clay to

531
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Speaker 1: be molded that you can mold in in the image

532
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: that you want. I mean, that's that's all good stuff.

533
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean, all the stuff that Goff had to worry

534
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Speaker 1: about last year, he doesn't have to worry about this year.

535
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: All he has to worry about is being the best

536
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Speaker 1: quarterback he can possibly be. And the guys, the other

537
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: ten guys in the huddle are looking at him as

538
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: the guy, not when and where or whatever. And it's

539
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: not a split locker room. It's just Jared Goff is

540
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: our quarterback and we're going to support him the best

541
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Speaker 1: way we can. Yeah, So you brought up the left tackle,

542
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: but let's talk about what's going on at right tackle.

543
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: We have to. Yes, Okay, you definitely have to, because

544
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's one of the biggest stories this week,

545
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: and it's something that you know, you don't necessarily want

546
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: to see if you like Greg Robinson and you like

547
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: his athletic ability, But Jamon Brown has been taking snaps

548
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: at first team right tackle, and so coming into this thing,

549
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: we all were sort of anticipating, from left to right,

550
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: the offensive line to be Andrew Whitworth, Roger Saffold, John

551
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: Sullivan at center, Rob Havenstein at right guard, and then

552
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: Greg Robinson at right tackle. Now that's not it's not

553
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: to say that this has not worked out already, but

554
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, Jamon Brown and I think it's actually

555
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: a credit to Jamon Brown. He has elevated himself to

556
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: the level where they want him taking those first team

557
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: snaps at right tackle. And it's a real competition right

558
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: now between Greg Robinson and Jamon Brown. Well, you know,

559
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner was a teammate, so I know that story

560
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: of a guy who gets an opportunity and doesn't give

561
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: it back. Yes, so I'm all for Jamon Brown going

562
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: out there and playing his guts out to keep that job.

563
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: But I'm hoping that Greg Robinson responds because right now

564
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: now he's had reps at tackle in the National Football League,

565
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,239
Speaker 1: reps a guard in the National Football League, and on

566
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Speaker 1: the right side is a converted right tackles playing guard

567
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: and a converted guard who's playing tackle, and you're backing

568
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: both of them up or backing one guy up. Right now,

569
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: you better respond to that. Being behind watching that should

570
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: almost kill you. It should almost make you want to

571
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: be better. So look, this is this is a tough

572
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: situation for Greg to be in, and the only one

573
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: that could help him out of the situation is Greg Robinson,

574
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Speaker 1: right It's all up to him. So look, if that

575
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: doesn't motivate you, I don't know what's going to well.

576
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: I think it's something I feel like we've been saying

577
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Speaker 1: for the last year, if not longer. The only person

578
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: that can really help Greg Robinson out of where he

579
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: is is Greg Robinson right right now. Okay, And this

580
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: is I mean, because that's something you said during when

581
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: Greg Robinson got deactivated during the season last year. You

582
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: have to be able to somehow elevate yourself and do

583
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: whatever it is that you need to do in order

584
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: to get your play to where it needs to be

585
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: said that you're on the field. Right. When I was

586
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: a rookie, Tank Younger told me a lot of things,

587
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: and I swear the longer I go on in this life,

588
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: the smarter he becomes. And he also said, he said

589
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: something when I signed my first contract. He said, remember

590
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: the playgrounds full of great athletes, guys that just don't

591
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: have jobs. Great athletes, they just don't have jobs. And

592
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: as you go on, you start to figure out what

593
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: he means. Gregg's had a lot of talent, but the

594
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: clock is ticking. I mean the clock is ticking definitely.

595
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: So you've got the ability and you've got the the

596
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: body to be a ten year player, ten plus year player. Yeah,

597
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: but you can shorten that considerably if you don't fight

598
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: back from where you are right now, right, And I

599
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: think that's sort of the spot where he's in. I mean,

600
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: we already know that the Rams have declined his fifth

601
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: year option being a first round pick, so it's a

602
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: contract of year form. And so that's where four or

603
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: five of those guys, right, they had their fifth year

604
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: option to decline. Yeah, and one guy was already cut right. Yeah,

605
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: that's a that's a short list to be on it.

606
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: That's the bad list to be on. It is, I

607
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: mean to be blunt about it. Yeah, it's a very

608
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: bad list to be on because it means that you

609
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: have not performed up to the expectations that are set

610
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: from where you got drafted. So at this point, you're right,

611
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to figure out a way to

612
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: get yourself out of that and make yourself where you

613
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: need to be. Yeah. Just look, you're gonna have to,

614
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, double redouble your efforts and get back out there.

615
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: And look, look, I think the Rams would be better

616
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: with him on the starting offensive line. That's just me

617
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: with his athletic ability. But you can't tolerate the mistakes, right,

618
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: You just can't go backwards in that regard. You can't.

619
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: And that's the issue. I mean, if you're going to

620
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: have those mistakes, then they're not better with him out there,

621
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: and that's why he's not out there. I had the

622
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: same argument years ago with Richie Incognito. Really, yeah, Richie

623
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: couldn't control himself. He was a personal foul machine just

624
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: waiting to happen. But he was also your best lineman. Yeah,

625
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: so people wanted him bench I said, well, who you

626
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: got that's better. Well, but then okay, this is the

627
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: same conversation, right, But is the only one that can

628
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: help Richie out of that? Right? And I mean in

629
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: a lot of ways he's done that. I mean, this

630
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: has become you know, one of the better offensive guards

631
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: in the league still for the Buffalo Bills right now,

632
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: right And I thought his career was done even Saint Louis.

633
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: So look, there's still time for Greg to turn this

634
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: thing around. There is. But he's got to start doing it,

635
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, he's got to start showing it on the field.

636
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: So I thought I want to talk about Jamon Brown

637
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: though a little bit, because I, like I said, I

638
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: think it's a credit to him in the way he

639
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: has been preparing that he has now got himself in

640
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: position to make this move because of the way he's practiced.

641
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you see it out there. Sean mcfay said

642
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: this yesterday that one of the things he's like the

643
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: most about Jamon Brown is his ability and willingness to

644
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: be coached. Well, you're not seeing Jamal Brown make sort

645
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: of the same mistake twice when he's out there. You know,

646
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: even if he's having trouble with something, then the next play,

647
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: he's going to get it right. And I like that

648
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: about him. I like his nastiness. I mean, he plays

649
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: for keeps. That's the fun stuff to me is watching

650
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: him play. So look, I wish him the best, I

651
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: really do. I hope he can hang on to that

652
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: starting job because you know, that stuff doesn't come around often, right,

653
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: And I wish that the NFL, you know, celebrated a

654
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: six man the NBA does, because I thought he was

655
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: your best six man last year. Anyway. He was a

656
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: guy you can plug in at pretty much any spot

657
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: and you didn't lose a step offensively, you didn't have

658
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: to change much. So if he's in the starting lineup,

659
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: then he's earned it. In my opinion. The thing I

660
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: like about him is, you know, his approach to playing

661
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: on the offensive line is somewhat similar to Roger Saffolds

662
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: in that it's all right, wherever they need me, that's

663
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna play, you know, And we saw the

664
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: same thing out of Roger, you know, think about I

665
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: think the last three games, Roger was at three different spots,

666
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: left tackle, left guard, and then over at right tackles.

667
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: So you don't want that to be the case because

668
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: it means you're kind of shuffling things all over the place.

669
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you have the ability

670
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: to play in different spots on the line and people

671
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: can plug and play you wherever and they're not losing anything,

672
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's really value. Versatility is huge. It'll keep

673
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: it'll keep keep you in the NFL for a longer

674
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: period of time. But you want to get to the

675
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: spot that you like to play. Yeah, yeah, I want

676
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: to play here. So I can play anywhere you want,

677
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: but this is where I want to play. So the

678
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: only way to do that is become great at that spot. Yeah,

679
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: and talking to Jamonic, I think I think Roger's at

680
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: home and left guard I think so too. Yeah, don't

681
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: fight it anymore. Yeah, you could be a good left guard. Well,

682
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: the thing about him Cibar here, you know, he's now

683
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: playing between two veterans, and that he's been saying has

684
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: been pretty helpful for him because of all the experience

685
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: that the three of them have together. I'm talking about

686
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: Andrew Witworth, Roger Staffeld and then John Sullivan at center.

687
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: So when you have that kind of combination and they

688
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: played in different places, they've all seen different things. They've

689
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: all seen a lot. There's a lot of experience that

690
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: all three of those guys can draw on and then

691
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: be a much better offensive line unit than we've seen

692
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: that game. Within the game, it's like, you know the

693
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: play we're trying to run, and then those veteran guys

694
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: can tell you, Okay, this is what they're going to

695
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: try to do when we give them this look. So

696
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: it just it helps you become better. And once you

697
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: get on the same page, when you have three veteran

698
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: guys from the center left, I mean, like I said,

699
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: it's only going to help the run game. It's only

700
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: going to help your quarterback. Yeah, exactly so. Um, But

701
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: for the right side of the line, I mean right now,

702
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: It's what's interesting is that you've got Jamon Brown at

703
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: right tackle and then Rob Havenstein at right guard. I mean,

704
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: you remember two years ago we were thinking about them

705
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: being flipped right for you know, the next five, six,

706
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: seven eight. It is a huge guard. It's interesting the

707
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: tallest guy in your football team is your guard. Well,

708
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 1: that's Andrew Whitworth. I thought, I thought Havenstein has n't

709
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: buy an inch, does he? I think he has n't

710
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: buy an inch. I don't know. Maybe it's just that

711
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: that Whitworth is so massive and not that Rob Havenstein

712
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: is not massive. It would be a great tag team.

713
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: They would be a great tag team. I mean they

714
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: look good coming off the bus. I bet they do. Yeah,

715
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: they're not You're not going to do much there. But

716
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: um with Havenstein though, at right guard, it's this interesting

717
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: dynamic for him. I mean I was talking to him

718
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: today after practice and he's said that he's trying to

719
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: watch some different guys in order to pick up some

720
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: things on the technique that you know, you might not

721
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: necessarily know just because you've been tackled. And it's it's

722
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: the differences between playing tackle and guard. You're in that

723
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: phone booth and things happen a little bit quicker. So

724
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: he said that there are some tackle tendencies that he's

725
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: trying to shed a little bit, and I mean, this

726
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: is the time to do it. Well, yeah, I remember.

727
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: And this is funny because Jonathan Ogden is now in

728
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, but when he came in as

729
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: a rookie, I actually faced him when he was a guard.

730
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he was a little bit late on

731
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: his punch. Uh, you know, he was still punching like

732
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: a tackle. With punch like tackles have an extra second

733
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: or two to get those hands out on those defensive

734
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: ends or outside linebackers. When you're in that phone booth,

735
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: you better get your hands on that guy right now

736
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: or he's gonna be by it. So you know, gave him,

737
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: gave him some trouble inside and outside a little bit.

738
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean, but once he bumped back to tackle, the

739
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: guy became a Hall of Famer. But it's the same thing.

740
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: Every tackle that bumps down, they always have that same

741
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: learning curve. It's gonna happen quicker on the inside. A

742
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: lot of things can happen on the inside. So the

743
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: best thing that's gonna happen to a guy like Rob

744
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: Havenstein is when Aaron Donald gets bad. It's just because look,

745
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: if you can get your hands on him, I mean,

746
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: just even touch him, then every other tackle you play

747
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: is going to be a little bit easier. Yes, and

748
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: trying to catch that speeding bullet. Well, the other thing

749
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: right now is that the offensive line is at a

750
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: total disadvantage because they're not wearing pads right. I mean,

751
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 1: it's so much harder for an offensive lineman to try

752
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: to do anything to combat with a defense. He's always

753
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: thinking it's always like bad for them not to have pads.

754
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: It's not great for us either, not great for defensive

755
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: lineman either. We're talking about offensive line. Yeah, there's some

756
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: offensive line. There's some moves I'd like to do on

757
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: you that I can't because I don't have shoulder pads. Yeah, exactly,

758
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: you can't at a disadvantage, right, but it knows favor

759
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: in the offense. I think the offensive line is that

760
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: a bit more of a disadvantage because you can't shoot

761
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: your hands and put him in and use the use

762
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: the shoulder pad, you know, the chess plate whatever is

763
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: as your steering wheel, that's what you got there. It's

764
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: just on camera. Yes, this is on camera, and some

765
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: people are not going to see a gift of me

766
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: doing this. What is he doing? I'm using the shoulder

767
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: pads to move. This is really bad radio. Go ahead,

768
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: so let's move on. Go ahead. I'm just gonna let

769
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: you do it. Go ahead. No, but I think that's

770
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: one of the things that you can't necessarily practice right

771
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: now because if you're a guy like Rob haven Senning,

772
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: you're trying to get this timing down. That's gonna have

773
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: to come and try. The only thing you can't do

774
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: right now is drill a guy with your helmet. What

775
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: that's the only thing you can't do on the old line.

776
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: You can shoot your hands, you can punch for the chest,

777
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: you can grab, punch for the chest. But it's actually

778
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: the same. It's actually easier to grab guys when you

779
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: don't have jerseys tape down. Okay, but you but my

780
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: point is that you can't do the technique as you

781
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: would actually do it in the game. You can't finish

782
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: a guy, but you can do the technique. You can do.

783
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: You just can't finish the guy. Okay. Defense, Yes, you

784
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: can't make contact like you want to, but you can

785
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: still work the technique. You can work the technique. But

786
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: it's not I'm saying that it's you watch today. Yes,

787
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: those guys were going at it. Yes there was technique

788
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: out there. There's plenty of technique. And I think the

789
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: thing you can see is the feet. So the thing

790
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: you can see is the feet. Okay, the feet, the

791
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: feet make uh you made me lose my point because

792
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: you were imitating me with the arms. You're making a

793
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: bad radio again. Can I can I go share that

794
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: with the share that with the offensive coaches. That please

795
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: keep that from I mean, I think that might help

796
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: laugh by saying it's not gonna help idiot that. Yeah, well,

797
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: it's more of the it's the staring line. I get you,

798
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: all right, yes, but announced this yeah, I don't know.

799
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: Never mind, I know it's really bad. Please go ahead.

800
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: The feet are the important thing when we're talking about technique.

801
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's important for a quarterback, it's important for

802
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: offensive line, it's important for defensive line. But I think

803
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: that's where you can kind of tell where things are

804
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: going when you've got a guy's pass setting, right. Yeah,

805
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: no matter whether you've got it on pads or not,

806
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: your feet need to be the same when you're past

807
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: set because that is a part of the technique. So

808
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: if you can get that right, then that's what you

809
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: need to do. I think it was Dan Dierdorf would

810
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: Jim Haniffin would cover his feet with paint, white paint,

811
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: and they would have him do a pass set really

812
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: and then at the end of the day there wouldn't

813
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: be two sets of prints because every pass set was

814
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: the same. Huh. I like that, Yeah, same thing. So

815
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: that's that's what you're striving to get. So, I mean,

816
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: it always changes in a game. The looks you get

817
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: are going to be different. In practice, looks are gonna

818
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,959
Speaker 1: get are gonna be different. But if you can keep

819
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: that same sort of pattern as you're backing up, it's

820
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: only going to make you better, exactly. And that's what

821
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: you need to do, because your technique is the most important.

822
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about footwork for quarterbacks all the time,

823
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: but I think that footwork for an offensive lineman is

824
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: just as important. That's why it's good to have a

825
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: veteran left tackle like Andrew Whitworth, because everything looks the same,

826
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: see that, right, no matter what he's doing. Rob Havenstun

827
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: just walked by. Yes, that's six foot eight. Yeah, well

828
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: he looks every bit of it. I didn't say he

829
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: wasn't massive. If it's gonna reign in California, he's going

830
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: to know it before anybody. Trust me on that. Okay, yeah,

831
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: I believe it. So who else has maybe stood out

832
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: to you during the course of these there too? You know?

833
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: I like watching LaMarcus Joiner at safety. I like his

834
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: activity back there. Um, he gets to the ball in

835
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: a blink and that's what you want from your safety.

836
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: He's a ballhawk. I remember when they drafted him, they

837
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: called him the frisbee dog. He'll go up and get

838
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: it from anywhere you throw it, he's gonna catch it.

839
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: So now he's like a shot at his height, but

840
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: that's what they called him. But now at free safety,

841
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: a center field safety, you have a chance to make

842
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: plays on the football. So that's maybe a side of

843
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: LaMarcus that we didn't get to see that you're going

844
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: to get to see this year. So that's that's something

845
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: that's up the right side of the old line. I mean,

846
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna draw a lot of your attention because of

847
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: it's in flux right now. Cooper Cup the receiving corps.

848
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: I like these guys. Yeah, now you're out here in pajamas.

849
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean, no one's getting hit right now. But I

850
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: like the three receiver combos they're thrown out there, plus

851
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: the tight ends. Yeah, everybody's athletic. Everybody's athletic. Everybody can run.

852
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: And the one thing we did comment on last year

853
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: was yesterday yesterday's practice, was you see a lot of

854
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: throws and catches, Yes, not a lot of balls hit

855
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: the ground. Yes, yeah, that's gonna win for you. It is.

856
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: And the thing, no, you're right. I mean, we've seen

857
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: so many drops since I've been doing this over the

858
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: last three seasons, I mean, and it's been in an

859
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: ordinate amount of drops, especially when you talk about things

860
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: that happened last year. So you want to be able

861
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: to see them catch the ball. And one of the

862
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: things I really like is that they catch with their hands.

863
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: They're always catching with their hands. I mean Cooper Cup

864
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: the way he can snatch a ball and coverage down

865
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: and he's got big hands, he uses them. You know.

866
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: You see the same kind of thing from Josh Reynolds.

867
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: He's using his really big six foot three frame. He's

868
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: going up, he's catching the ball with his hands, same

869
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: thing from Robert Woods. If there's something I think you

870
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: can kind of take away from the new guys that

871
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: the Rams have brought in, it's that these guys are

872
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: gonna catch with their hands, and that's gonna be very

873
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: That's only going to help your quarterback. That is definitely

874
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: gonna help your quarterback, yeah, no doubt. And also watching

875
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: the defense, just you know, watching what the possibilities are

876
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: with these book ends, these outside linebackers Barbn the way

877
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: he plays and how smart he is, and Robert Quinn

878
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: on the right side or wherever they line him up,

879
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: and the worry about Mark Barron in the three four

880
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 1: completely gone. Now you don't have pads on, No one's

881
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: getting hit just yet, but you can start to see

882
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: the structure of the defense and how that speed could

883
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: help this defense, Yes, become better even in the three four.

884
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: So three fours usually denote big guys and two gapping. Yeah,

885
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: not anymore, right, Yeah, you're just starting in the three four,

886
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: but you're gonna be running all over hell. So I

887
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: mean that definitely fits a guy like Mark Barren. Yeah. Well,

888
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: what about Robert quin Because I know you get a

889
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: chance to talk to him last week and I think

890
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: everybody probably saw it. But what sort of things do

891
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: you think you've seen from him? What did you glean

892
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: from talking to him? You know, look, all Robert quinneys

893
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: is just to stay healthy, stay on the football field,

894
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: and he'll take care of the rest. We had this

895
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: discussion the other day. You don't see guys turn the

896
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: corner as fast as Robert Quinn. That is so true. Yeah,

897
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like you talk about a handful of elite

898
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: guy is a handful of elite quarterbacks. There's only a

899
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: handful of elite rushers that can turn on two steps.

900
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: That is true. Yeah, I mean your second step, you're

901
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: actually turning towards the quarterback and he can see it

902
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: and feel it. That's going to help everybody else on

903
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: the defense, especially you're left end. Look, if you're a

904
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: left end guy, build a wall, cast your net and wait,

905
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: the quarterback's gonna flush to you. Yeah. All. By the way,

906
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: ninety nines in the middle too, there's nowhere to step right. Yeah.

907
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: So for Robert, just stay on the field, stay healthy,

908
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: and he'll take care of the rest. Yeah, And I

909
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: think that's the I mean, you gotta stay healthy. That's

910
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: obviously the key for anybody on defense. But the thing

911
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: I like too right now about this scheme is alec Ogletree,

912
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: you know, making this transition to the three four. It's

913
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: not been too difficult for him. Talk to him last week,

914
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: talked to a linebackers coach Joe Barry last week, and

915
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: both of them said it's not necessarily too different from

916
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: what he was doing before. It's more or less just

917
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: getting the terminology down, you know what you're calling Apple's

918
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: now you're calling oranges, right, And so even though you

919
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: know you might think, oh my gosh, there's this big

920
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: kind of difference in scheme, it's not too much for

921
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: him to handle. I think he's in a good job.

922
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: So no, he's he's a brilliant middle linebacker. Yeah, he's

923
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: your quarterback on defense. A new scheme, a new system,

924
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: a new terminology package is not going to ruffle his

925
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: feathers or rattle him at all. So, I mean, he's

926
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: a leader out there, and I just wonder what does

927
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: he have to do to get in the conversation of

928
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: the better middle linebackers in the National football or the

929
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: best middle linebackers. When they start talking about the guys

930
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: that are the best, Luke Keickley his name comes up.

931
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: When does alec Ogletree's name start being mentioned with those guys?

932
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: What do you have to do? It might be twas

933
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: Maybe I mean he was closer. I mean he got

934
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: over one hundred and seventy this past year, which is

935
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: top five all time in rams single season history. So

936
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: it's not like he has not been a consistent performer.

937
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: But I think when you look at team performance, I

938
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: mean last year the Rams went four and twelve. I

939
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: mean they basically lost for the last three months of

940
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: the season, so that might have something to do with it.

941
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: Was it really that long? It was really that long

942
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: three months. I went day to day, So yeah, that

943
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: was long. Yeah, it was long. Yeah. But my point

944
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: is simply this that with Wade Phillips, now you have

945
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: somebody who is known for creating elite defenses. So if

946
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: the question is what is it going to take, well,

947
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: maybe it's this. Maybe now we sort of start to

948
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: see alec Ogletree appear in those conversations, provided he stays healthy,

949
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, and he's surrounded with some good players or

950
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 1: guys in front of him. They're really good. So there's

951
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: not a lot of assisted tackles in this defense. I mean,

952
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: guys get to the football and the ball goes down.

953
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: So look, Tree has been playing great football. I think

954
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: this three four could really help him. I'd be a

955
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: more sideline the sideline guy. You might see a close

956
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: to two hundred tackle performance out of him this year.

957
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: Maybe so. And the one thing, one more thing I'll

958
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: bring up about Tree is what Joe Barry was saying

959
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: last week is that every day he comes into the building,

960
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, start walking through the linebackers room, and could

961
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: go get coffee in the cafeteria. And he sees alec Ogletree.

962
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: He's always there, six thirty in the morning. He's there

963
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: watching films. Good ogle Tree is putting in the time.

964
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: He's putting in the work. He shouldn't have a house.

965
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: You shouldn't. You shouldn't be able to live. You shouldn't.

966
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: You shouldn't live off campus. You should just live here.

967
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: That's rude. Just put a cot in the weight room.

968
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: Come on, you're gonna go back and see his baby.

969
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: Don't you want a baby? Babies in here? No, no, no,

970
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: there's a kitchen, right, No kids in dacare. There's a

971
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: kitchen here. No kids in daycare. I don't like that

972
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: hold of the kids. His kid I think is just

973
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: about about a year old. Okay, put a diaper Genie

974
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: in the corner of the room. Good, you're god. You

975
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: don't need to leave. No, stop that man, You're only

976
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: going home for four hours a day anyway, what's the point.

977
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: Just stay here, all right. We'll end on this. So

978
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, obviously they start tomorrow. You can guess

979
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: you're in my loyalties, Like, do you have any predictions

980
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: Warriors in five? Wow? Man, how there's just too much

981
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: coming the other way? Man? No, I don't think there's

982
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: too much coming here. Like you know what, you're one

983
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: of these people who like really likes to sell Lebron

984
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: James style. I love Lebron James. He's the Kyrie Irving. Yeah,

985
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: I do. And kind of one game you think, thinking

986
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: in one game in this series, you tell me who

987
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: you leave open for Golden State because you're gonna have

988
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: to leave somebody. Well, yeah, you're gonna leave open. No,

989
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: it's gonna be about it's gonna be this kind of

990
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: attrition thing again. I mean that's what it was last year.

991
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: That's why the Cavs were able to win Game seven

992
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: because they'd had that Raymond. Yes, okay, I said seven. Oh,

993
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: I said game seven. Look, the Draymond suspension happened. That

994
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: definitely affected things. Steph Curry's health definitely affected things. But

995
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, Calves are still twenty

996
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: sixteen NBA champions. So that's the way it has to be.

997
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: What do you mean five? What is this five? Five?

998
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: What five games is all you're gonna get? No, it's

999
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: gonna take at least six, at least six, yes, and

1000
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: I believe it for the Cavs to do what. I

1001
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: think that the Cavs win, oh in six, Yeah, they're

1002
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: gonna be Golden State six. Yeah, Calves in six. I

1003
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: said it. Finally they're betting that hat. All right, I

1004
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: want that my gray under armor head's right. It is

1005
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: really not like this. He's going to defile it. No,

1006
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: we will see what happens. But I also want to

1007
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that in May thirty, first, it is

1008
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: the ten year anniversary of Game five in the two

1009
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: thousand and seven Eastern Conference Finals, where Lebron James scored

1010
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: the Cavalier's last twenty five points to beat the Detroit

1011
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: Pistons in overtime. Only you would know that. Everybody in

1012
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: Cleveland knows that. Only you would know that. Yeah, no

1013
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 1: one here cares. Well, my friend, my friend and colleague,

1014
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: Corey Beffort, you get a shout out for that, because

1015
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: your Pistons Spanish scored the last past twenty five points.

1016
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: I was in its great, but my mom was working

1017
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: that night. You know, I've up being at the hospital

1018
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: on call whatever, and so I was watching this like

1019
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: alone in our living room going crazy on was on

1020
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: the floor for the Calves. Yeah, Eric Snow, Larry Hughes, Galsquez, uh,

1021
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: Sasha Pavlovic. How do you let one guy score all

1022
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: the points? Drew Gooden? Oh my god. Yeah, well the

1023
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: only he was the only guy who could really could play.

1024
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: He could play a little bit of play. Isn't he

1025
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: still in the league. I don't think so. Yeah, well,

1026
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: yeah he is. He's on somebody's bench. Yeah yeah. And

1027
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: Lebron James is still taking teams to the finals. There

1028
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: is all right, everybody. Thanks so much for tuning into

1029
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: this edition of Between the Horns. From my producer, Matt

1030
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: fer DeMarco Farr, I'm Miles Simmons or review may be

1031
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Speaker 1: in football. We'll see you next step