1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: My guest today is Bishop Marvin Sapp. He's a multiplatinum 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: gospel icon, songwriter, pastor, and executive producer of the new 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: TV one original film Never Would Have Made It, The 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Marvin Staff Story. We also been discussing his fifteenth album, Substance, 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: released in June, Mark Marvin Stapp's seventh number one album, Debate. 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: The album was released on his own label, Elevate Entertainment, 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: which is distributed through thirty Tigers. We'll talk about his 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: move from his hometown of Grand Rappers Mission to my 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: home state. What worth tax. We're gonna talk about that 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: that day right now. Is that he changed? Is that 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: he changed? But most importantly we're talking about his family, 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: faith and since a humor from a person who has 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: delivered such incredible gospel songs like Never would Have Made 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: It and the best to me, please work with the 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: money making conversation masterclass, the one and only Bishop Marvin Sapp. 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: How are you doing certain? I am great, I'm on 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: top and rising high. How are you doing well? Great? 18 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's get to the big move first. Okay, 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: because I've been up in Michigan like it's a shape 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: like your hand and then you moved out of my state. Now, 21 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: first of all, why did you move? And then we're 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: gonna talk about the elements. Well, you know, you know, honestly, 23 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: you know, we can always use this. You know, people 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: would say it's a cliche, but honestly, I moved because 25 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: it was. It was God it was it was a 26 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: god tymed move for me. And UM, I needed change 27 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: and I didn't know how bad I needed to change 28 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: until I got here. UM And strangely enough, I waited 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: till I was fifty two years old to decide to 30 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: pack my bags and move to another state. UM, and 31 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: took a church here. To the church here, I I 32 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: learned the mortgage on the church and the city knowledge 33 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: and had a successful church in Grand Mischigan, five earning 34 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: plus members. Actively we're worshiping with us every week. And 35 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: UH moved down here to start from scratched in essence, 36 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: and I still have three UH storage units of furniture 37 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: in Michigan. And you know, I just came here just 38 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: to start over, start fresh, and it's it's been a great, 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: great blessing to me. You talked about how I left 40 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: the state that was shaped like a hand, and I'm 41 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: thinking about I moved to a state that shaped like 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: a frying pangs amazingly, but it was good for me 43 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: and it has been good to me. Well you know, 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: I I love that because y'all, I was born to 45 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: rade in Houston. And then people think because you're up 46 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: in Dallas for Worth, it's cooler. It's actually it's hotter 47 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: in Dallas than it is in in Houston. It's more 48 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: humid in Houston is of course it's by the ocean. 49 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: But no, I mean, like we this they said, this 50 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: summer has been unseasonable. Yes, um, we've averaged a hundred 51 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: degrees and no rain for the last sixty plus days. 52 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: Every day it's been a hundred plus degrees. And this 53 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: is something that I'm absolutely not used to. So I 54 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 1: don't leave the house much. I don't leave the house much. 55 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: And uh, but but you know, I have a I 56 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 1: have a great church in Fort Worth, Texas and uh, 57 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: the Chosen Vessel Church. And if you get a chance 58 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: to come see us, absolutely or you can watch this 59 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: every Sunday at eleven am Central Standard Time or any 60 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: of our social media platforms and and and it's it's 61 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: a great situation. It was a great movie. Cool. I 62 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: always feel, you know, because one of my my minutes 63 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: of inspiration runs into your syndicated UH platforms that runs 64 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: on the national So I always know, hey, that's my part. 65 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: Appreciate being a part of that powerful network. Our relationship 66 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: goes back to Steve Harvey and uh, you know when 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: we used to play your music uh in l A 68 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: before anybody's allowed gospel. I remember you stopped as an 69 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: airport said thank you, Mr Harvey. I appreciate those checks 70 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: every time you played my song, absolutely absolutely. But as 71 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: you as you grow into talent, as you grow. It 72 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: was why when I was watching the movie and the 73 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: movie I'm talking about is that the Mofice app story 74 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: that's gonna be airing on TV once the TV one 75 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: of original. You know, it was kind of like interesting 76 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: because I started saying how our relationship was being played 77 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: out by some of these of course it didn't extend 78 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: beyond for the movie, but our relationship has extended off 79 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: beyond that because he's the only ghost gospel artist in 80 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: the history of When he was doing the Neighborhood Wards, 81 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: we did it for sixty years. Open the show, you 82 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: were the only gospel artist I ever asked to open 83 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: the show, and Steve Harving I sat down and thought 84 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: about that, you know, because we always opened a servir Sid, 85 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: I just think it was time and it was in 86 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: Las Vegas. It was sold out in the eighteen thousand 87 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: people out there, and it was it was it was 88 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: a blessing. So you have a gift, sir that we 89 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: talked about that gift, your your your wife who's passed away. 90 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: We talked about her in the movie a lot. We're 91 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: gonna talk about her more in a minute. Sometimes you 92 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: ran away from that gift. And so many people in 93 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: life run from gifts. I don't understand those gifts that 94 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: Gods gives him. Talk about yours and the journey and 95 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: how you try to make sure your children and people 96 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: around him understand the you have gifts. Well, I think 97 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: you know what people really need to understand is that 98 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: where there is gift, there's major responsibility. And I think 99 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: you know that the reason why people run away from 100 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: their gifts is because of the simple fact that the 101 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: responsibility that goes along with them can be way, it 102 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: can be happy. And you know, yeah, when you consider 103 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: you know the responsibility of what you carry. Uh, sometimes 104 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: you just don't want the responsibility. So I understand why 105 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: people run away from their gifts. I did, you know, 106 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: as a child, I knew what what my calling was 107 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: on my life, you know, early, early, early on. UM. 108 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: But even though I knew what my call was early on, 109 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: I still was like, you know what, I don't want 110 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: this because I looked at what other people have to 111 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: go through with it, and I don't know if it's 112 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: necessarily something that I wanted to be bothered with. UM. 113 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: But when you have a gift, when you have a call, 114 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: no matter how hard you try to run from it, 115 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: some strange reason, it always catches up with you. And Uh, 116 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: you can give in easily or you can do like 117 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: I did and give it the hard way, but ultimately 118 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: you're gonna get into it. So you know, I'm grateful that, 119 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: you know, I've been able to embrace what's all my life, 120 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: and not only just embrace what's all my life, but 121 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: by the grace of God, be able to carry it 122 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: and use it, or rather parlay it into doing some 123 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: amazing things. I mean, you know, UM, I'm for the first, 124 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: as you already said a few moments ago, the first 125 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: a male gospel artist UM to ever have a biopic 126 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: of his own. Um. You know, of course, the Clock 127 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: Sisters did it as a group UM years ago they 128 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: did it wasn't called a biopic, but it was a 129 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: docuseries on you know, James Cleveland, the Bear Sisters on 130 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: so forth. But to have a movie being done your life, 131 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: especially something that you didn't ask for, it kind of 132 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: found you right. And to be able to share, you know, 133 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: your ups and your downs and what you had to 134 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: come through to get where you are. It's just a 135 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: major blessing and I absolutely appreciate it. We'll be right 136 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, 137 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. 138 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: That never would have made it film. That's an original film, 139 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: The Marvin shap Story written and directed by Syndicated a 140 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: radio producer and host Russ Paul as well as he 141 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: is a co writer on the project. I co wrote 142 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: on it. Russ co wrote on it, and a couple 143 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: of other fellas. We all came together and we just 144 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: put our our hands together and try to make sure 145 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: that we gave people a story that was real. Um, 146 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: that was authentic. But most importantly, that was encouraging to 147 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: let people know that, yeah, you know, everybody, no matter 148 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: how successful they may seem to be to your natural eye, 149 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: everybody has a story that they had to come through 150 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: something to get to it got to and and and 151 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: that coming through it is possible that you don't have 152 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: to remain where you are, but but there is in 153 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: the end to whatever challenge you packed. And then you 154 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: had my good friend Uh on the show producing what 155 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: you Feel, Thought you Phil Me and Feel executive produced 156 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: as well. And um, my relationship with Field goes way 157 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: back because he was my record comedy executive for many 158 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: many years at r C Inspiration And honestly he left 159 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: r C Inspirational at the same time I left our 160 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: c A Inspiration. My contract was up after thirty years. 161 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: Amazingly Uh in the Sony system and um, he just 162 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: decided he wanted to move on and do some different 163 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: things too. But we remain friends. He's my frat brother, 164 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: so that makes it easy for both of us. Ka 165 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: side of the day, we die by you by and 166 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: like I tell Phil, sometimes these conversations be going good 167 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: spec you know, and then you know, want to start 168 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: talking to a cute about them now see what I'm saying, 169 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: and if you tim me all, y'all, ohther than around 170 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: talking pretty about left pretty. But but it's a blessing 171 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: man to be able to to be able to you know, 172 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: share and people to you know, be able to see 173 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: and and and and allow them to have some you know, 174 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: insight into your life so they get a clearer understanding 175 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: of who you are as a person. So I'm honored, 176 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: I really am. I'm I'm honored, and I want people 177 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: to watch it on twenty one of August. I believe 178 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great blessing to them, and I 179 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: belong to some of them are gonna be challenging and encouraged. No, yeah, yeah, 180 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: I get it. No matter how bad my child may 181 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: be right now, there's still an opportunity for a turnaround. 182 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: No matter how bad sick I am, there's still an 183 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: opportunity for a turnaround and to teach people to remain 184 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: in faith in the midst of it all. I think 185 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. And it's really a beautiful movie. 186 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: Um you know we're talking about never would have made 187 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: it as we will be premiered on the TV one network. 188 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: The Marvin staff story. UM, I want not asked you 189 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: this question. Is the movie a celebration of your overcoming 190 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: the odds in your life or a tribute to your 191 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: late wife. I think it's a little bit of both. 192 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: It's it's a celebration of me overcoming the odds of 193 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: life and my children overcoming some very very challenging moments 194 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: and still being able to rise above them and succeed 195 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: in spite of my kids. I'm so proud of them. 196 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: My son works for Amazon Web Services. Um, he's doing 197 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: very well. Just got engaged to a very lovely young lady. 198 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: My daughters and her master's program in psychology. Um, just 199 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: like her mom, appearing to get her c I d um. 200 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: My baby girl is finishing her dual bachelor's in psychology 201 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: and biology with the goal of going to medical school. 202 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: You know, because of the trauma that they went through, 203 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: they could have went a whole another direction, right, because 204 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,479 Speaker 1: we taught them faith, Because we taught them the importance 205 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: of trust in God even when you can't trace him. 206 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: Even though that's definitely uh, you know a church colloquialism, um, 207 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: trusting God when you can't trace him. I believe that 208 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: that's the reason why they yet and still have been 209 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: as successful and even moving forward in the levels of 210 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: success that they have been here. And I'm a proud 211 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: dad because of that. Um, I know that I had 212 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: them from eleven, thirteen, and sixteen till now, but their 213 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: mom and still such foundational morals in them, you know, 214 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: while she was here. It it it speaks to who 215 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: they are as young adults. But also I did I 216 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: did wanted to pay a manage to my wife, I 217 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: mean my late wife, Melinda. Um. She was an amazing gift. 218 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: She was an individual who in spite of her short 219 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: life and her struggle that she had to deal with 220 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: with their health. UM, she did some magnificent things. Because 221 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: it's a bio pick, because't got ninety minutes when they 222 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: able to really put all the things in there that 223 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: she did. But one of the things I wanted to 224 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: make sure that everyone knew is is that the only 225 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: reason why they heard never would have made it is 226 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: because pushed me to do it. And that is omage 227 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: to her. That is me paying it forward and letting 228 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: people know that the reason why they heard that song 229 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: is because that. But I mean, like Melinda College professor 230 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: in our city. Uh, she was a director of psychometry, 231 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: had a mental hospital. She was on the board of 232 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: that same mental hospital foundation board at the same mental hospital, 233 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: pie Rest Mental Health Services. UM. She was executive pastor 234 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: of my church. She was had many different foundations and 235 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: things that she was brought up. And she was a 236 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: community activist to the point that the Grand Rapid Symphony 237 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: Orchestra named an award after the doctor man to be 238 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: sad Legacy awards that they give away every year to uh, 239 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: some deserving young person or deserving community activists in our 240 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: community of Grand Rapids, Michigan. And to me that's important 241 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: because they've never done that before. And Esten done and 242 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: named by the Grand Rappi Symphony Foundation. So you know, 243 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: it's more to her than just what she did musically. 244 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: Executive produced Thirsty the record. She executive here, I am 245 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: the record. She actually did the video where she was 246 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: executive producer and did all the editing and all god stuff. 247 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I could go on and on 248 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: and on about what she did do. However, you know, 249 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: I want everybody to know that this is this is 250 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: me saying, you know, she was a great woman and 251 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: my kids need to see that right. They need to 252 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: say thank you and we'll be right back with more 253 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return 254 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashan McDonald. You know, 255 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: the beauty of watching a biopick like this is that 256 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: you know you can sing, and you're so you gotta 257 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: get an actor in here. You gotta get an actor 258 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: in here, thinking hold some notes, you know, thinking hold 259 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: some notes. You know the actor you know you brought 260 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: in a good old friend, played the child on Steve 261 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: Harvey's first sitcom way back in ninety four ABC Me 262 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: and the Board, chas Lamar Ship. Yeah, man, Chads is 263 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: an amazing yef. He's an amazing sing amazing actor. You 264 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: know for those people. Everybody's like, well he don't look 265 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: like people. I don't. I didn't even care. I was like, 266 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: he can sing, he can act. I mean, we talked, 267 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: we communicated. He tapped into the emotions the things that 268 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: I was dealing with. Strong in his face too. I'm 269 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: just thinking, absolutely, he's a big family man, and uh, 270 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just honored man that when we contacted 271 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: him and asked him to be a part of this 272 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: and he said, yes, it was really amazing. A lot 273 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: of people don't know. I met Chaz in the parking 274 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: lot of West Angeles Church of God in Christ maybe 275 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: twenty five years ago, right, okay, I know exactly what 276 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: that Chris, y'all, and we were just talking. I was 277 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: there preaching and he in the parking line. He had 278 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: on some necklace and I liked it. I told him 279 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: and we out and we talked and laughed and uh. 280 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: I went to see him one time when he was 281 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: on Broadway, right. He was our pole for uh, you know, 282 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: on the Broadway version of Color Purple. Uh. I saw 283 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: him there and he's like, what are you doing here? 284 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I just I'm in town 285 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: doing business. And they told me you were forming and 286 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: he's like, why did you not that somebody that get 287 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: a ticket? I said, no, no no, no, no my ticket 288 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: because we're doing everything that you were doing. So when 289 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: when the opportunity came to be able to positively work 290 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: with him, I was like, absolutely, absolutely, he's the perfect person. 291 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: And he did an amazing job and amazing job and 292 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: reach I just bringing it up when I said, you 293 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: know that he's strong in his faith is that it's 294 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: not something he had to find. That he knows you 295 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: to find the rationale and it's natural. Uh, and his 296 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: approach to his life. And I'm not saying you gotta 297 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: go there and they have to have that that that 298 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: that deeply immerged values of faith. But I'm just saying, 299 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: is that that's that what you saw on that movie, 300 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: we'll see on this movie. That is chass Lamar Shepherd 301 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: for reading that word. My only thing. I will just 302 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: tell you how somebody Bishops said one of the most 303 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: entertaining funny naturally off stage. You see he's laughing a 304 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: little bit and he's showing me a little person out 305 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: the year because he preaches and he seems he's amazing 306 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: gospel song. At the Neighborhood Awards, I always have on 307 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: the front row, and Steve would ask for them be 308 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: on front row because he has a laugh. I mean, 309 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 1: he's one of those people who laugh. He give up 310 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: the body when he laughs, he gives up the body. 311 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: And if you're if you're a comedian, that's what you want. 312 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: You want somebody you can see the last start up 313 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: in the in the in the brow and go all 314 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: the way down to his feet and that's you laugh 315 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: for real, Bishop South. Because I enjoyed. I mean, like 316 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: you know, I enjoyed. I mean, Steve has always been 317 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: great to me. I mean when I say he's been 318 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: great to me, I mean, like anything musically I've ever had, 319 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: Steve make sure everybody Mama knew about it. I mean, 320 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: he really has been I don't want to say it 321 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: like this, but he has been like a real chill leader, 322 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: and you know with all of my music and alway 323 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: has been transparent, having very very serious conversations with me 324 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: about his face and things of that nature. And I mean, 325 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: I just I'm appreciative, but I mean, I just but 326 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: I also feel like just because you're a preacher, you 327 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: don't have to be stiff, you know, you gotta be 328 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: that dude that uh, you know, don't have no sense 329 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: of humor. It's just funny that Crawford and that dog on. 330 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: I never get that day on the veil and uh, 331 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: David Mann was going back and forth. That was that 332 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: that was in Atlanta and Atlanta you almost had to 333 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: carry me about it. And and then of course, you know, 334 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, whenever I was on stage, they would always 335 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: put me with with my girl would be on me 336 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: the whole time. And the funniest thing, Uh sit there 337 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: and and then for us to just you know, you 338 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: know that banter piece. So I mean, like you gotta 339 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: have a sense of humor in life after its like 340 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: a medicine. So's when I laughed like I laughed because 341 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: I believe that this heating in it. So I'm just 342 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: breaking all right, I love it, don't give that was 343 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: the only thing that was missing in the biopic. You 344 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: really don't see that humorous sip. But like he says, 345 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: nay minutes, all you can do is put so much 346 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: in nathing minutes. But I'm just telling y'all, in real life, 347 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: he's special because he lives life. He shows life, and 348 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: he's an everyday guy. He walks in faith, but he 349 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: also walks into quality where life brings to him. The 350 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: table I'm talking about Bishop Marvin Staff. His movie is 351 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: going to be premiering on TV one August twenty one. 352 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: The Marvin Staff story never would have made it now 353 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: Elevate eight, Elevate entertaining. Now Substance came back in June. 354 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: You know what made it different and what made it 355 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: so unique? Substance, Well, Substance is different this simply because 356 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: it's on my own label, and reality is that being 357 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: on a record label for thirty years a major label, 358 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: being on Sony thirty years, Um, it's different because now 359 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: you run it, you own it. It is your responsibility 360 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: to take care everything. Before you know, the record coming 361 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: to give you a budget. You take that budget. Um, 362 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: you're going to studio or you go do a live record, 363 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: and then act you get to do that live record, 364 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: you turn it in. Once you turn it in, that's it, 365 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, and then they tell you when you gotta 366 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: take pictures. They find the art person to do the 367 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: album covers and all this kind of stuff. So it's 368 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: real easy. Uh, it's like that when you go over right, 369 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: you know. So I had to do all of that myself. 370 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: Had to make sure everything was done mixing, mastering, um, 371 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: photo shoots, Uh, find the art director. Uh, make sure 372 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: all of the songs are uh coded. Uh. It's just 373 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of things that go along with me 374 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: and an owner that I didn't have to do just 375 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: being an artist. Um. But at the same token, the 376 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: blessing of it is that me an opportunity to learn 377 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: the whole other aspect, even I knew already, but to 378 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: learn the whole different area of the business that I 379 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: never had to do before, and it gave him in appreciation. 380 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 1: But those working behind the scenes at the record company, right, 381 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: you know things that they do because it's it's a 382 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: lot of work, but it's exciting because Uh, I'm my 383 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: own master now, right, what I mean, I'm not owned 384 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: by anyone. You know, I take care of me and um, 385 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: that's a great, great feeling. Man. So Substance is the 386 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: first of hopefully many on my own personal label. Um, 387 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: this is my fifteenth record. Man. Do you know that's 388 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: a lot of music. You know what I'm saying, That's 389 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: a lot of music. So you know, um, I'm excited 390 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: and looking forward the bigger, better, and grater. As we 391 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: close out the interviews, two things I want to bring up. 392 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: I could always talk about fear in this show, Overcoming fear. 393 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: You know, people tend to stay at the same job, 394 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: standing the same relation ship, fear of losing weight, fear 395 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: what their children might think of them. And you in 396 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: this interview, you talked about two things that fear could 397 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: have stopped you. Okay, fear could have stopped you from 398 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: starting your own company, leaving the record label you've been 399 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: over over thirty years, and fear could have stopped you 400 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: from moving from Grand Rapids to Fort Worth, Texas. Those 401 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 1: are two prominent things in this interview. I want to 402 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: remind people that they heard come out of this interview. 403 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: Can you in and say, how are we able to 404 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: overcome those dramatic moments in your life? And it was 405 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: never seamless, but much thought and much fate faith was 406 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: put into that process. So people who are listening watching 407 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: can use that same nuggets of information to mostly get 408 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: them over the hum Well. I think that that's what 409 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: they need to understand. You said it, you said it profuly. 410 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: You said, you know, fear it's a faith and and 411 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: and fear is literally the opposite of faith. Yes, you know, 412 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: and and and I just had enough faith. I've been 413 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: trusting God all these years and pretty much know the pushing, 414 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: the urging, um, the voice, the unctioning of God. And 415 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: once I made a decision to transition, and it took 416 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: some time. Trust me, it didn't just I didn't just 417 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: wake up in the morning say you know, I'm moving 418 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: to text right in a few years. And because it 419 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: was a struggle, because I was thinking about here this 420 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: this is key. I was thinking about all that I 421 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: was leaving, but I never thought about all that I 422 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: was going to receive in the future. And See, that's 423 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: why we stay stuck, because we're so busy looking at 424 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: what we have that we never think about what we 425 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: could have. Wow, and uh, I'm doing better now that 426 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: I was doing in Michigan. I'm happier now than I 427 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: ever was in Michigan, at least since the passing of 428 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: my life. Um. And I mean like it was just 429 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: it was a great decision. The church and Grand Rapids 430 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: is better now because they have a new pastor and 431 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: they're moving forward. This church is better because they have 432 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: a new pastor and they're moving forward. So it's just 433 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: man all the way around. It was a leap of faith. 434 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: And I came by myself. I didn't bring nobody with me. 435 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: I literally moved like by myself. Um, and when I 436 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: got here, I didn't know anybody. Uh. Now you know, 437 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: we're growing, we're establishing relationships with people. Um. We were 438 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: here six months and COVID hit. So then we was 439 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: in the house by ourselves, just me and the three 440 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: kids because they were afraid. They moved here and stayed 441 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: with me for three, uh maybe six months before they 442 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: all decided to venture back to the places that they 443 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: were at. So I mean, like, you know, you just 444 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta, you gotta jump. Absolutely, absolutely, he's Bishop. 445 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: Marvin Sapp never would have made it the best of me. 446 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: It's own independent record label. Now more importantly, August, that's 447 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: a Sunday one of this Mark never would have made 448 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: it the Marvel's app story. You gotta watch it. You 449 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: gotta watch it because I learned. And also it's it's 450 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: a moments, it's fine active, but he appears in there. 451 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you how, but he drops in 452 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: there dropping those nuggets. And I loved it because I 453 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: came from the hood of community just like him, and 454 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: my family with the McDonald family, and somehow my mom, man, 455 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: she just held it down like your mom. You know. 456 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: It was all kind of activity that wasn't good around us. 457 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: And we had she had six daughters and two boys 458 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: including me. That was nine kids. So but when we 459 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: moved out of the neighborhood, the neighborhood seemed like it 460 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: just collapsed. So I know what story you're telling about 461 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: your mom her strength in respect can cause other people 462 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: who are not on that path to stay there just 463 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: long enough, just to keep the evil out of the house. 464 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: And that's what she did. And I really appreciated the 465 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: story you was able to tell about her, But more importantly, 466 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing your story August one on TV one, 467 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: the Marvis Staff story. Appreciate your Bishop. Thank you. We 468 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: talked soon, all right. If you want to hear or 469 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: see any of these interviews, please go to Money Making 470 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: Conversation dot com. I'm with Sean McDonald. I am your host. 471 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: Keep winning.