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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: from houseff works dot com? Whoa, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles Cheek Bryant Chee. Yeah, man, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to start this one out like a twelve

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Speaker 1: c I A. Oh, they just kids. They just a

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Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of the town. Funny, but well, no,

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Speaker 1: lot of it was funny in that, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: all these nineteen fifties French chees are losing their stuff

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Speaker 1: suicides that resulted from that not very funny. Before we

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Speaker 1: get started, I think we should do like an official

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Speaker 1: I guess this could be a follow up to our

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Speaker 1: it's an epilogue and a prologue. Yes, yeah, very nice

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Speaker 1: they will give you be very low dose. So I

425
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Speaker 1: don't I get the feeling that it's not like this

426
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Speaker 1: huge mushroom trip that a lot of these patients are

427
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Speaker 1: going through. Because it said of the people recognized when

428
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Speaker 1: they did not have the placebo. So if it wasn't,

429
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: then it was probably a pretty low dose. Yes, would

430
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Speaker 1: be my guess. Um, would you if if everything was

431
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Speaker 1: legalized UM and m d m A came to be

432
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: prescribed for just happiness, right, would you take it? Would

433
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Speaker 1: you take a happy pill that was legal and didn't

434
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Speaker 1: have side effects? Not to say m d m A

435
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: doesn't have side effects, there's a UM like basically the

436
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: three days after a depression that follows when you're serotonin

437
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: levels are repleting themselves. I don't think I would because

438
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Speaker 1: there are quote unquote happy pills now, and I mean

439
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm against any depressants. Or things like that,

440
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: because people definitely benefit from those who need them. But

441
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: I just I don't need that kind of thing, so

442
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Speaker 1: I would not Uh, I would not serve you are

443
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Speaker 1: not alone, Chuck. There was a survey conducted for this

444
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: BBC series on Britain of British people that found that

445
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: seventy of them said that they would not take a

446
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: happy pill it was legal and had no side effects.

447
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: It's interesting, yeah, because it kind of I think that

448
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: for a large segment of the population, there's just the

449
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: idea of synthesizing happiness is untoward. Yeah, you know, yeah,

450
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: it's it's a little weird. I mean, that's not to

451
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: say I'm a square and I don't like to get

452
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: down another aspect, Josh. I mean, we're we're talking right

453
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: now about literally the effect it has on your brain

454
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: and your serotonin levels and your moods. They've also found

455
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Speaker 1: that UH patients, cancer patients in particular, who consume hallucinogens,

456
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: or people with just um traumatic events from earlier in

457
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: their life, they have the ability to relive some of

458
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: these memories and events from their past. They can unlock

459
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: buried traumatic episodes, deal with them psychologically, put them to

460
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Speaker 1: rest and come out the other side with a new understanding,

461
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Speaker 1: free from these demons. UM. You remember in the hypnosis

462
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Speaker 1: episode where we were talking about how the way it's

463
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Speaker 1: viewed now is that you you are you're accessing the

464
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: subconscious scies. Yeah, more easily. It's like popping open a

465
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Speaker 1: control panel. That's what this. This is what they're seeing

466
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Speaker 1: with M D M A. Apparently, Uh, you are able

467
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Speaker 1: to access things UM from a very empathetic way. I

468
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: think the term I've heard for it is called UM

469
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: a psychotherapeutic catalyst like kick starts things. And I think

470
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: one researcher called it it's psychotherapy sped up. The psychiatrist

471
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: called it it's like psychotherapy on acid. So this hasn't

472
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: LSD specifically hasn't been the greatest friend to everybody who's

473
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: ever taken it. And what's funny in this article that

474
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: UM that's on the site, can we treat mental illness

475
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: with hallucinogens? Tom Schif has to go to the sixties

476
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: psychedelic rock scene to find examples of people who have

477
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: had a bad, bad time on acid. Uh. And apparently,

478
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: what what the conventional wisdom is is if you are

479
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: predisposed to mental illness. LSD can exacerbate that. Yeah, if

480
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: you have a bad trip, you're going to have a really,

481
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: really bad trip because you're already predisposed to mental illness. Yeah,

482
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: he's Brian Wilson and Sid Barrett as the two examples,

483
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: and those are stellar examples, they really got to say.

484
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: But they're also counterintuitive to what we're seeing with UM.

485
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: Like PTSD, you are already suffering from a mental illness.

486
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: So here's some m D m A. Probably LSD would

487
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: be horrible to give to a PTSD survivor. Yeah, right,

488
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: I would say, so, UM, and what else can we

489
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: talk about? Pamela Secuda, Sure, Yeah, it's a very interesting story.

490
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: This was a woman UM aged fifty seven at the

491
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Speaker 1: time of this article, who was in the final stages

492
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Speaker 1: of colon cancer. She had outlived her prognosis. She was

493
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: anxious and depressed. She was worried about her family, her

494
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: husband and what they were gonna do without her. It

495
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: was not a good life. She was living here at

496
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Speaker 1: the end and she was prescribed any depressants. Of course,

497
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: it didn't work, didn't do a thing for so she

498
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: volunteered for an experiment at u c l A in

499
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: two thousand five and started taking psilocybin, the magic mushroom

500
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: pill in pill form. She had a lot of breakthroughs.

501
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: They brought her husband in at the end of one

502
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: of the sessions and he said, there's my Pammi. She

503
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 1: was just beaming with light and I haven't seen her

504
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: that joyous and so long. She was totally alive and happy.

505
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 1: And she continued to take it until she didn't need

506
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: it anymore. She had these breakthroughs and then all of

507
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, her husband and uh, Pamela were going to concerts,

508
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: They went hiking at the Grand Canyon, they went on vacations,

509
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: They did all these things that she hadn't been doing

510
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: in a long time because of these epiphanies she had

511
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: under the influence of psilocybin, and sadly she died well, yeah,

512
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: she died. Yeah, that's what she died from in two

513
00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: thousand six, and her husband said she died in his arms.

514
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: But her husband was very appreciative and they actually did

515
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: a benefit about a week before she died for the

516
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: institute that was doing this work at U c l A.

517
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: So it's pretty interesting. Yeah, the definitely and one of

518
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: the applications that they're finding is end of life care

519
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: for UM using m D, m A or LSD. You're psilocybin. Sure,

520
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: we're special k. Apparently what about this eyebo gain. They're

521
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: finding that iba game works really well. I be gain

522
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: is a m it's from a hallucinatory root plant in Africa,

523
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: I believe UM. And they're finding that you go on

524
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: a thirty six hour trip. That's a long time, but

525
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: they're finding that it's really effective in breaking UM addiction

526
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: and like serious addictions to like heroin, yeah, cocaine. So

527
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: being on this stuff just for thirty six hours creates

528
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: a break in the addiction cycle itself. But what they're

529
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: finding this most notable about it is it there's a

530
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: lack of withdrawal symptoms that you see in every other

531
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: type of addiction removal, especially with heroin. Like heroin, you're

532
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: supposed to have physical withdraw stom withdrawal symptoms, and people

533
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: who are taking eyeba gain are not experiencing that like

534
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: they would if if they tried to kick the habit

535
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: without it. It's pretty remarkable. It is very remarkable. It's

536
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: very interesting. We should probably say, I don't know if

537
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: we have yet that This podcast is in no way

538
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: an endorsement of going out and buying yourself some street

539
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: drugs and you know, seeing what happens. It's a study

540
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: of what we findly be very fascinating. The fact that

541
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: this is there's been a resurgence in this and these

542
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, qualified doctors U. C. L. A. Johns Hopkins,

543
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: they're saying we should look into this stuff. Yeah, and

544
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: they definitely are, and they're getting some very interesting results.

545
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: What about the A A guy. We should mention that

546
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: really quickly. That was pretty funny. Oh yeah, Bill Wilson, Yeah,

547
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: one of the co founders of A A. Yeah. He uh.

548
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: He apparently took LSD in the fifties, wasn't. Yeah, And

549
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: this is after he was long after he was sober

550
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: from alcohol since the thirties. I think, um so, he

551
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: takes LSD in the fifties and is like, this is

552
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: really helpful. Um So, I think everybody who comes into

553
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: a should take LSD. Uh. And they were like, Nick,

554
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: you should probably not do that. So they talked him

555
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: out of it. But the reason why he found it

556
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: helpful when is that Hallucinogen's part of a twelve step

557
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: program is to really reflect on past wrongdoings and then

558
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: elucidate them to another human being. And apparently lsd M,

559
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: d M a UM these other drugs help. They serve

560
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: as a catalyst for that process. So that's why Bill

561
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: Wilson I thought this, This is really helpful because again

562
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: it's like a therapy sped up. Fascinating, very fascinating. I

563
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: will say this though, I'm gonna go out on a

564
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: limb and say, even though we're not saying, oh, you

565
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: should go out and do these things, I will say

566
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: that some chemically created in a lab pill called an antidepressant,

567
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: isn't I mean, what's the difference the differences I think,

568
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: in my opinion from what I've seen, Uh, one's marketed

569
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: and legal and the other is illegal. Yeah, it's as

570
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: simple as that one is made by murk and one

571
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: is not made by murk but used to make this,

572
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: which is ironic. Public sentiment counts for everything. Yeah, you know,

573
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: it's the same reason the alcohol. You can go into

574
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: a bar and get completely wasted out of your mind

575
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: and get in a car, but you can't walk into

576
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: a bar and smoke a joint or shoot heroin or

577
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: shoot heroin. And we're not labbying for anything. It's just

578
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: interesting that the things that society has deemed acceptable. Alcoholism

579
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: is just fine. Well it's not just fine, but it's

580
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: it's legal and you can do it, even though it

581
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: kills all these people, and this is not acceptable. It's

582
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: just it's funny how we've evolved to think some things

583
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: are evil and some things are just great. I wonder

584
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: what the future holds, Josh. I wonder myself. We'll find out, Yes,

585
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: we will, if we lived that long. That is about

586
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: it for this one. You should probably check out Can

587
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: we Treat Mental Illness with Hallucinogens on the site. Be

588
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: sure to check out Carrying the Sky with Diamonds Vanity

589
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: Fair article type in George Rick Quarte R I C

590
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: U A R T e uh into Reasons website that

591
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: will bring up some cool stuff. There's a killer Time

592
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: magazine article from I think two thousand or two thousand

593
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: one UM on ecstasy on M D M A uh

594
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: it was. That's really It's called the Happiness and a

595
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: Pill something like that, Josh from the future. We are

596
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: in New York right now, but tonight Thursday, the twenty

597
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: one October. I know that our producer and comfitan and

598
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: den mother. Jerry will be at a fundraiser for the

599
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: co ED, the Cooperative Cooperative for Education right today, Yeah, tonight.

600
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: If you're in Atlanta and you are about to pop

601
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: another chef lonely Hearts frozen dinner for one and drink

602
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: a bottle of wine for two by yourself, and you're

603
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: looking for love in the Atlanta area, stop what you're doing,

604
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: Grab twenty bucks and go to the Metropolitan Club in

605
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Speaker 1: Alpharetta from seven to ten pm tonight, Thursday, October twenty one.

606
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Speaker 1: Co ED is holding their Fall Fiesta, a t L fundraiser.

607
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome, right. The twenty bucks buys you

608
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Speaker 1: that wine that you're going to drink by yourself, better wine,

609
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: probably asked, and you get to drink it amongst friends,

610
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Speaker 1: meet Jerry. There's also going to be food, better food, entertainment,

611
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: and all sorts of chances to win or auction bid. Right,

612
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: that's the that's the proper verb. Yeah, they're auctioning off

613
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: cool prizes like African safaris and uh signed sports memorabilia

614
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and you never know, you could

615
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: find love there. We're making zero guarantees whatsoever, but It's

616
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: worth a shot, isn't it. Yes, And if we weren't

617
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: out of town right now, we would be there tonight,

618
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: Yes we would. So. Um again, if you don't remember

619
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: who co ed is. Co ed are the is the

620
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: great nonprofit that took us to Guatemala and we did

621
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: a two part podcast on it which is awesome. Um.

622
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: And they pull money together to buy books for schools

623
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Speaker 1: in Guatemala, which then in turn rent the books. Uh.

624
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: And that that rental fee is is put into an

625
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: escrow account which after five years is substantial enough to

626
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: buy all new textbooks. So what they start as a

627
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: self sustaining system um of ownership of textbooks, and it

628
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: has a huge effect. It's not just textbooks. They do

629
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Speaker 1: computer labs too, So um, if you want more information

630
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Speaker 1: on coed or the Fall Fiesta a t L tonight,

631
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Speaker 1: go to their website www dot c o E d

632
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Speaker 1: UC dot org. Right, that's right, all right, let's do this.

633
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Speaker 1: So that that's it man, Nice job, buddy. I guess

634
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Speaker 1: it's time now for listener mail, right, Yes, I have

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Speaker 1: a listener mail, Josh from Rhea and this was about

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Speaker 1: Octopus or OCTOPI. We were corrected the octopis not right,

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Speaker 1: but she says it she worked at high is so right. Well,

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Speaker 1: we have these people seeing actually the Latin thing the

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Speaker 1: Jerry just left at that. Hi, guys, your podcast on

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Speaker 1: OCTOPI made my day to day. Thank you. I work

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Speaker 1: as an aquarist at a San Francisco aquarium and one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite responsibilities is our cephalopod gallery. Nice. I

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Speaker 1: get to do enrichment with giant Pacific octopods, make sure

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Speaker 1: all of our eight legged friends stay out of trouble.

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Speaker 1: And I'm currently teaching a two spot octopus how to

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Speaker 1: open a jar to get his favorite food, which live crabs.

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Speaker 1: I'm right there with you fromstr octopus. Uh. It was

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Speaker 1: great to hear someone besides myself get a little too

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Speaker 1: excited about these critters. And you know, we've got great

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Speaker 1: feedback on this. People love the octopus because are so freaky. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The story about Lucratia mke evil especially cracked me up.

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Speaker 1: I work with the g p O. That's the giant

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Speaker 1: Pacific octopod that might give her a run for money.

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Speaker 1: For the past few weeks, I've been walking around with

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Speaker 1: what my colleagues call octopus kisses up the length of

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Speaker 1: my arms. But I'm afraid my husband is getting a

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Speaker 1: little suspicious about the number of hickys I've been acquiring.

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Speaker 1: So that's from the little suckers. These little suckers clearly, Uh,

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Speaker 1: these were given to me while I tried to remove

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Speaker 1: the individual from blocking the flow to his tank and

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Speaker 1: stop his flooding of the entire aquarium. It's never a

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Speaker 1: boring day with cephalopods in your life. Guys, thanks for

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Speaker 1: all the great podcast. If you're ever in San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite places, Josh, let me know and

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Speaker 1: I'll see if I can't work out some behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes cephalopod goodness. And that is from Rhea, and she says,

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Speaker 1: and don't worry, by the way, I have trouble pronouncing

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Speaker 1: hecto caudles as well and have taken the calling in

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Speaker 1: the sperm tentacle. Sperm tentacle works. The spermacle is what

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Speaker 1: she says. She says, it's time to rename that organ. Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: thanks Ria, right, thank you. My dad always said life

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Speaker 1: is better with steffalo pods in it. Really. Yeah, Uh,

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