WEBVTT - #649 Packers Unscripted: Back in the saddle 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:12.120 Hi, everybody. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:15.520 I am Mike Spofford, joined once again by my trusted 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.920 colleague Weston Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:22.520 studios at Lambo Field West. It's been a while since 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:24.880 we sat in these chairs. How are you doing, my friend, 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.680 I'm doing all right. What would you like to talk about? Well, 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.800 where do we start with with this offseason? Right? It's 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.479 been a newsy offseason for the Green Bay Packers. So 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.600 here's what we're going to do. We are nine days 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:41.960 away from the first round of the NFL Draft at 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.640 the time that we are taping this show, so we 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:46.879 have two episodes this week. I think what we'll do 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.800 is we'll focus this episode on all of the off 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.920 season news on the offensive side of the ball for 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.200 the Packers, recap all of that. Our next episode will 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.040 recap all the off season news on the defensive side 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.880 and on special teams, and then we get into next 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.760 week we can preview the draft, and then we get 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.360 into the draft, and then in the month of May 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:10.360 will be reviewing the draft and all the pics the 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:14.040 Packers making all of that good stuff. So to try 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.680 to keep things on a certain track the offensive offseason. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:22.319 Here for the Green Bay Packers, the two biggest items. 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.600 Quarterback Aaron Rodgers, two time reigning m v P four 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:31.000 time m v P overall is back with a new contract, 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:35.480 signing a contract extension, returning to Green Bay. But All 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.880 Pro wide receiver Davante Adams is not back. He has 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:43.800 been traded to the Las Vegas Raiders. And of all 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.880 everything that has swirled around this team for the last 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.840 year to year and a half, if you had told 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.720 me going into two that Aaron Rodgers would be a 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.000 green Bay Packer and Davantae Adams would not be a 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.880 green Bay Packer, that would have struck me as the 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:03.279 least like of the scenarios to play out. But yet 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.960 that is exactly what played out. And here we are. Yeah, 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:08.280 you never know what what turned you know the NFL 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.040 is going to take And you know, as much as 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.320 I was stunned when it all went down with Davante, 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.120 now we're a month out from this thing. Now of 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.240 this trade with the Raiders, you start it starts to 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.960 make more sense, and when you really remove the emotion 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:26.040 from it, you start to understand exactly why it played 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.679 out the way it did. Certainly, Davante wanted to be 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.400 the end of game's highest receiver, highest paid receiver. He 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.720 was that for a week before Tyreek Kille came in, 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.760 but you know, he wanted to get that accolade rightfully, 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.000 so with everything he's accomplished. Certainly, there's the connection with 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.640 Derek Carr, a guy that's one of his best friends. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.520 They had so much success together during their time at 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.800 Fresno State. But also when you start to factor in 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.000 the family side of things, that there was a big 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.760 push there as well for Davante with his family on 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.360 the West Coast. It makes a lot of sense. But 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.120 for the Green Packers, you can't sit there and you know, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.480 and cry over your tears here. I mean, you have 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.960 to be able to move on to the next step. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.200 They were able to get a first round pick in 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.360 a second round pick from Las Vegas. They now have 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.600 four picks in the top sixty, the first time that 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.400 has happened for them since nine seven. If they choose 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.920 to pick in those four spots, you look at how 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.960 they've been able to build around this offense and kind 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:26.040 of start to chart out this next chapter for Aaron 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.520 Rodgers as talented as Davante is, and he's one of 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:33.560 the game's very best. The kingpin here is number twelve, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.920 the two time reigning NFL m v P. To have 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.480 him back in the fold, it's going to be very 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.080 different this year, Don't get me wrong. This offense will 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.720 probably even look a lot different. But it starts with Rogers. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.720 He's the straw that stirs this drink. So being able 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.880 to retain him build for two, two and beyond a 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.720 lot out there for the Packers. Yeah, well, Aaron Rodgers, 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.920 obviously he's he's not happy with the act that Davante 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.600 Adams is no longer here, but by all accounts he was. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.840 He was aware of the potential for this trade, that 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.960 Davante Adams had had asked to get out of Green Bay, 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:15.280 that he wanted to to put himself in a different situation. Um, 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:19.920 so the Packers, with Rogers deciding deciding to come back, 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.640 fully aware of the possibility, if not likelihood, that Davante 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.920 Adams would not be back with him. So he's he's 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.440 accepted that challenge. On the Adams side of things, the 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.400 Packers didn't, you know, throw up a sign and say 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.120 Davanta Adams is available and make it like this bidding 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:40.640 war across the league. Adams had expressed what he wanted, 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.719 which was to which was to go to the Raiders 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.479 and be with Derek Carr. The Packers were able to 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.880 facilitate trade with that one suitor. So to speak, Um, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.680 get the first and second round draft picks, as you said, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:58.200 to give Brian goodakunst what what will be for? For sure? 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.800 The most active first two days is of a draft 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.120 in his uh um in his handful of of drafts 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:08.599 in in the catbird seat here as as the Packers GM. 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:13.080 But now moving forward the wide receiver room not only 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.400 will will not have Davante Adams, but Mark was Valdes 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.360 Scantling assigned a free agent deal with the Kansas City Chiefs. 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.479 Ecuanamius st Brown has also departed in free agency, and 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.960 then just last week, with a lot of angst amongst 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:28.880 the fan base as to what is going to happen 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.200 here at wide receiver because all these guys are leaving, 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:37.800 the Packers sign Sammy Watkins. Um former number four overall 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:42.200 pick in the draft, played for a few different teams now, 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.640 most recently with the Baltimore Ravens last year and with 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.840 the free agent prices for wide receivers kind of going crazy. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:54.000 The Packers get Watkins at a very palatable price and 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.599 a veteran to join Al Lazard and Randall Cobb as 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:03.280 veteran leaders in a receiver room. Uh. Moving forward here 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.479 in two in a move that Aaron Rodgers even voiced 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.400 his approval of, and Pat McAfee, I should say the 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.320 sources that Pat McAfee talks to saying that they were 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:16.880 excited about that edition, and you can see why. I mean, certainly, 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.760 Sammy Watkins is a different type of receiver. He's not 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.400 going to be the MBS. He's not going to be 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.560 the Davante Adams. The Packers aren't going to ask him 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.160 to be. But when both of those guys departed, I 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.200 really felt like they needed to be able to add 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.120 a veteran there. You just there's gonna be. You're probably 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.880 gonna add some young guys in this draft, maybe even 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.600 as early as the first two rounds, maybe multiple guys 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.919 in those first two rounds, But to ask them to 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:40.919 come into training camp and be the guy good to 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.279 go right away, that's a big ask. So to be 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.560 able to bring in the Watkins with his experience a 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.760 guy that really came out of the gates is rookie 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.200 year and kind of let the world on fire. Well, 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.960 now he's going to come into this situation. The past 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.760 history with Matt Lafleur, being able to actually share that 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.039 time with him in two thousand seventeen, he knows what 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.839 this offense looks like. And if you look at some 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.800 of the reports last year and what some people were 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:07.840 saying about him in Baltimore, the bunch formations, the slot concepts, 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.480 he was really successful in those when he was healthy. 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.000 Unfortunately the thigh injury and the knee injury crypt up. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.000 But the Packers, it just gives them another option here 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:17.920 as they try to build this thing out and being 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.760 able to find this next step without Davante Adams in 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.520 that room. Yeah, and and it's as I had mentioned 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.560 an insider inbox last week, it's a it's a very smart, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.800 sensible move for both sides. I mentioned obviously the palatable 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.560 price for Sammy Watkins when the wide receiver market is 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.680 kind of going crazy, and from Watkins point of view, 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.680 you mentioned his age, he still feels like he has 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.440 plenty left to offer in this league. He signs a 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:45.360 one year deal, gets a chance to catch passes for 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.600 one season from Aaron Rodgers and hit the free agent 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.480 market again next year. So from from his point of view, 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.400 it makes a lot of sense. And and that's how 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.720 that's how these type of deals come together, because because 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.400 both sides feel good about what they're getting in, both 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.840 sides want to maximize. And I was saying this right 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.720 after the season ended, Mike, whatever happened with Devondre Campbell 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.480 was sold Douglass. These guys, the Packers now have a 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.360 blueprint here where they can point to, Hey, this guy 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.800 came in and played under this deal. Devandra Cambell played 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.120 for two million dollars last year. I mean, that's remarkable. Right. 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.560 They're gonna be able to say, not only we're going 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.800 to give you the opportunity to showcase your talent, we 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.720 believe our scheme is going to fit what you do well. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.400 And when you build up that kind of track record, 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.119 I have to imagine that's something in these agents minds 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.280 and these players mind that's going to hold value in 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.679 addition to the fact that you have the ace up 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:37.000 to sleeve in Aaron Rodgers, yeah, absolutely. And also from 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:41.600 a pass catching perspective. The Packers have resigned tight end 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.320 Robert Tonyan. Now the timeline for him for two is 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.920 very much up in the air because of the Week 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.960 eight at Arizona last season, the torn a c L 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:55.640 that ended Tony in one season. Early. By all accounts, 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.280 everything is going fine with his rehab and his recovery. 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.800 We will see, we will see what the timeline is. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.720 But that's another guy, another guy that the Packers have 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.200 brought back into the fold to go along with. Obviously 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.400 you have the veteran in Marcedes Lewis, but then these 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:16.520 young developing guys Josiah Deguara, Tyler Davis, Dominique Daffney, and 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.480 we'll see what the Packers do in the draft with 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.920 regard to the tight end position um, but still there 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.880 behind Marcedes Lewis. It's just it feels like the Packers 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.440 have a lot of developmental pieces that you don't know 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:30.960 exactly where this is going to go with some of 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.640 these guys, but they've all shown they've all shown those flashes, 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.440 and certainly Tony season was off the charts remarkable. They've 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:43.480 shown flashes of being potentially solid contributors, consistent contributors week 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.160 to week, and that's what the Packers will be looking 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.000 for at tight end as this as the passing game 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:52.480 adjust to this new you know, without Davante Adams reality. Yeah, 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:56.840 and and they need Robert Tony. When the season ended 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.959 and we saw how things played out, and especially after 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.560 you saw VS leave in in in Adam's leave, you 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.480 needed to be able to find a way to keep 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.760 Tonyan because what they need from Robert Tonyan in two 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.199 thousand twenty two is what they didn't have last season, 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.320 him during the second half of the season. And the 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.839 earlier he gets back, the better for this offense, no 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.160 doubt about it. But I really look at this as 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.480 the type of signing that if it even if it 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.839 takes to October or November to get him back, that 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:28.040 type of playmaker, with the comfortability he has with Aaron Rodgers, 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:29.920 that's something that could put you over the top as 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.160 some of those young receivers get comfortable and so you 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.240 start to find yourself and your identity a little bit 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.640 more offensively. And on top of that, they do have 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.320 a returning nucleus here at tight end to stem the 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.280 tight until he is back. Mercedes Lewis is still your 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.640 traditional in line tight end. He's going into year seventeen. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:48.440 He's going to be thirty eight here in a couple 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.360 of days. He's he's on the older side of this thing, 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.800 but he knows the offense and they're gonna be able 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:55.920 to run some of the schematic things they want to 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.520 do with those running backs because of his presence. I 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.960 thought Josiah Deguire showed things last year. Yes, he is 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.280 more of that f tight end. Same thing with Dominique Daphne. 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:09.200 They're not the traditional type of, you know, inline guys 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.400 that you would look for at that position, but there's 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.120 that ability there. And then certainly I thought Tyler Davis 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.280 had some moments as well for coming in late. He 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.520 is a little bit more of that projected traditional tight ends. 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.640 So a lot of options there for Green Bay in 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.800 addition to the fact, as you said, undrafted, free agency, 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:26.600 the draft, there's a lot of different ways that they 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.440 could augment that roster. Still well, there are also some 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.200 moving parts on the offensive line for the Packers here 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.199 in two and I will get to those in a minute. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.200 I just don't want to lose track of sponsor business. 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So the Packers lose two 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:27.720 guys that started a bunch of games on the offensive 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.960 line over the past couple of years. But as you 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.520 look now at the offensive line, the Packers are planning 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.520 to have David Bactieri back at left tackle after all 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:42.160 the the the false starts pardon the pun with regard 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.400 to his return um to the field last year that 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:50.720 didn't work out. You have two young guards in John 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.240 Runyon and Royce Newman, both of whom who started the 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.760 bulk of the season last year. Josh Myers to be 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.200 back as the starting center after a rookie season that 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.320 started with a lot promise, then got derailed by injuries, 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.640 and then he was back at the end of the year. 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:10.080 The big question mark though with Elton Jenkins on the 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.840 men from his a c L which happened in November 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.359 at Minnesota last year, and we don't know the timeline 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.440 much the same way with Tony and we don't know 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.600 the timeline exactly for when Elton Jenkins will be back 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.840 in the lineup. But the biggest question mark as of 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.040 right now for the Packers is who's going to play 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.760 right tackle, which is the position that Billy Turner held 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.400 down for the most part. Other than being shifted around 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.079 a few times himself, Turner held that down for the 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.119 last couple of years. It would seem the top candidate 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.679 would be Yash Naiman, that the Packers would flip him 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.000 from left tackle, where he filled in for about half 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.720 the season. All told for Box tr that they would 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.800 flip Niman to right tackle and give him a chance 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.360 to compete and win that starting job. And then of 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.520 course we'll see what happens with the draft again with 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.960 the Packer is having having those four picks in the 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:06.000 first two rounds. You could certainly see them selecting an 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:10.160 offensive tackle early in the draft who would potentially also 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.920 compete for a starting job from day one, just as 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.960 Josh Meyers walked in and started from day one at 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.000 center last year. That's how the Packers have built this program. 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.200 They've had it so many times, Mike, you can talk 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.080 about it's so many different positions where they had a 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.760 returning vet competing for a job, but then they brought 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.840 in sometimes even a high draft pick to compete with them. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.880 I think of Micah Hyde and Ha Ha Clinton Dicks 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:35.240 in two thousand four at the safety position, and I 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.160 think that's a perfect candidate for it here too. And 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.120 depending on the guy type of guy you get, maybe 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.560 that's somebody that's also competing for right guard or who knows, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.840 you know. I mean last year Royce Newman was a 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.680 guy that was projected to be able to play both 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.440 of those positions, and four a time did uh during 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.720 the off season program. What I'm curious to see here 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.160 is not necessarily you know, how this offensive line looks 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.520 or how the dominoes fall, but really how they rebuild 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.120 their depth there, because that's been one of the hallmarks 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.360 of this thing under Adam Stanovich, that room now being 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:07.280 passed on to Luke Bucks as as Stenovitch graduates into 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:11.360 the offensive coordinator job. But seeing how they are able 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.920 to make up for you know, not having a John 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.000 Runyon just sitting on the bench now, a guy that 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.440 you know basically played in three or four big situations 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.640 as a rookie but never started a game. Well, then 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.240 last year he starts sixteen games and by in my opinion, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.600 you're you're the one that pointed out the stat on 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.200 him that he wasn't penalized last year or I didn't 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.760 have an accepted penalty against him. This guy, in so 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.120 many ways reminds me of Lane Taylor and just a steady, 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.720 consistent presence there and into my eye, a guy that 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.360 could potentially hold down that job for seven eight years 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.200 just because of what he brings in the transition he's 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.080 been able to achieve there from an all big tent 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.320 tackle to play in that left guard spot. Royce Newman. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:53.440 Certainly there were the ups and downs there in the 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.200 rookie year, but a fourth round pedigree, you saw some 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.000 of the athleticism there. I'll be interested to see where 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:00.800 they want to slot him go on into this camp, 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.600 David Botr As long as the kn's good, you're good there. 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:05.560 And I think Josh Meyers is going to continue on 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.920 that trajectory that they've had with the center position of 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.160 just having one solid guy after another. Right tackles the 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.000 question mark because when you have somebody like Turner who 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.760 was brought in, he played right guard that first year, 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:18.560 but I think everybody kind of saw the way the 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.200 contracts looked. You're paying him money to start it right guard, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.560 but it also could be placed over at right tackle, 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:26.720 and that's how it worked out. Guy played a lot 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.600 of football, started a lot of games. Can Nineman make 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.720 the switch? I think he can. Six ft seven three 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.240 and fourteen pounds. He opened my eyes and I think 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.840 in a lot of ways we saw throughout the course 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.240 of those eight spots starts what Adam Stanovich saw in 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.480 this young man and what they wanted to do there. 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.960 You bring him in, you let him compete for that job, 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.560 maybe you draft somebody. If you don't, you still got 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.920 Dennis Kelly out there that could potentially come back in 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.120 this thing as well. A lot of options for what 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.000 Green Bay wants to do. But to me, it's not 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.160 about the starting five. It's about those top seven eight guys, 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.640 and who you have is potentially those next men up. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.600 Because we out Turner. Without Patrick, you're losing a lot 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.919 of versatility with that group. Yeah, the Packers that the 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.560 Packers have lost versatility and they've lost some depth with 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.920 how this offseason has unfolded to this point, and that's 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.840 where again, Brian Gudukuns has never shied away from drafting 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.080 offensive lineman. We've seen him draft several of them over 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.480 his his few years as the GM, and some of 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:24.520 them are still here, some of them have not worked out. 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:29.400 But the the refortifying of the depth in that unit 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.560 I think is going to is going to come from 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.399 this draft, whether it's with with the high picks, you know, 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.960 those picks in the first or second round, or whether 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.480 it's whether it's with with picks in the in the 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:44.440 middle rounds, where then you have you have guys who 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.720 maybe a guy comes in like Roy Snwman a fourth 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:48.760 rounder last year, or you have these other guys who 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.840 are gonna going to compete with Cole van Landon and 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.399 other young draft picks who are who yeah, Jake Hansen, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.359 those young draft picks from recent years who are making 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.920 their way and are filling in some of those depth 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.760 spots as well. The really interesting thing I think, and 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.800 again this is this is projecting. This is projecting way 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:10.679 down the road. But you can humor me for a 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.640 minute here. If we say, if we say, right now, 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.879 the Packers offensive line left to right is going to 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:20.240 be bak tr Runyon, Myers, Newman and Nyman, Newman and Nyman. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.720 That we'll have to get used to that. But if 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.119 that say, say that is the Packers starting five on 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:31.040 the offensive line for for week one of at some point, 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.240 maybe it's going to be six weeks into the year, 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.639 eight weeks, nine weeks into the season, whatever, at some 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:38.960 point the Packers are hoping and planning to get Elton 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:42.800 Jenkins back. And this is a guy who can play 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:46.280 anywhere across the offensive line and basically has I think 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.760 the one spot maybe that he hasn't played in the 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.480 NFL is right guards. He played all of them. He 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.760 never started it right, he hasn't started it right. But yeah, 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.720 so the question is then when Jenkins comes back, like 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:00.320 what do you do? What do you do? Where do 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.240 you put him? And and to me, when you're talking 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.000 about a player like that, of of of his caliber. 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.520 But yet he's not going to have an entire training camp. 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.440 He doesn't get an offseason program, a training camp and 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.280 all this to get ready. When he's ready to go, 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.120 he's going to have a couple three weeks of practice 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.959 and then and when he's ready, then they they'll want 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.119 to put him into a game. I think very I 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:25.919 think what might play out here in a sense is 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.960 that if everything's good with box Trri at left tackle 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.080 and there are no more issues with his knee, those 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.040 other four guys across the front they might be just 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.400 playing to keep their job until Elton Jenkins come comes back. 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.359 And what I mean by that is whichever guy is 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.400 maybe not playing not quite as well as the other 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.480 guys of those four spots from left guard all the 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.160 way over to right tackle, that might be the guy 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.920 who gets replaced. That maybe where you put in Elton Jenkins, 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.480 a Pro Bowl guard, but a guy who plays at 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.720 or near a Pro Bowl level pretty much anywhere across 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:00.359 that Yeah, And I mean I go back to two 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.040 years ago and who could have ever foreseen him having 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.400 to make those three starts for Corey Lensley. When Corey 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:07.639 had knee injury, the m cl thing, right, and that 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.480 was that was his position in college for the for 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.159 the most part, was a center, and he and he 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.639 stepped right in, but but he hadn't even really practiced 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.199 there in the NFL, and and he filled in for 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.160 Lindsley for three weeks. And then last year, I mean, 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.320 would you have and when you and I were talking 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:24.480 in week one, would you've ever forguessed that it would 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.879 been Lucas Patrick starting the most games at center, for 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.320