1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined once again by my trusted 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: colleague Weston Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: studios at Lambo Field West. It's been a while since 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: we sat in these chairs. How are you doing, my friend, 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. What would you like to talk about? Well, 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: where do we start with with this offseason? Right? It's 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: been a newsy offseason for the Green Bay Packers. So 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: here's what we're going to do. We are nine days 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: away from the first round of the NFL Draft at 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: the time that we are taping this show, so we 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: have two episodes this week. I think what we'll do 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: is we'll focus this episode on all of the off 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: season news on the offensive side of the ball for 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: the Packers, recap all of that. Our next episode will 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: recap all the off season news on the defensive side 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: and on special teams, and then we get into next 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: week we can preview the draft, and then we get 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: into the draft, and then in the month of May 20 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: will be reviewing the draft and all the pics the 21 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: Packers making all of that good stuff. So to try 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: to keep things on a certain track the offensive offseason. 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: Here for the Green Bay Packers, the two biggest items. 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: Quarterback Aaron Rodgers, two time reigning m v P four 25 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: time m v P overall is back with a new contract, 26 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: signing a contract extension, returning to Green Bay. But All 27 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: Pro wide receiver Davante Adams is not back. He has 28 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: been traded to the Las Vegas Raiders. And of all 29 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: everything that has swirled around this team for the last 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: year to year and a half, if you had told 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: me going into two that Aaron Rodgers would be a 32 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: green Bay Packer and Davantae Adams would not be a 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: green Bay Packer, that would have struck me as the 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 1: least like of the scenarios to play out. But yet 35 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: that is exactly what played out. And here we are. Yeah, 36 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: you never know what what turned you know the NFL 37 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: is going to take And you know, as much as 38 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: I was stunned when it all went down with Davante, 39 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: now we're a month out from this thing. Now of 40 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: this trade with the Raiders, you start it starts to 41 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: make more sense, and when you really remove the emotion 42 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: from it, you start to understand exactly why it played 43 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: out the way it did. Certainly, Davante wanted to be 44 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: the end of game's highest receiver, highest paid receiver. He 45 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: was that for a week before Tyreek Kille came in, 46 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: but you know, he wanted to get that accolade rightfully, 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: so with everything he's accomplished. Certainly, there's the connection with 48 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: Derek Carr, a guy that's one of his best friends. 49 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: They had so much success together during their time at 50 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: Fresno State. But also when you start to factor in 51 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: the family side of things, that there was a big 52 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: push there as well for Davante with his family on 53 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: the West Coast. It makes a lot of sense. But 54 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: for the Green Packers, you can't sit there and you know, 55 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: and cry over your tears here. I mean, you have 56 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: to be able to move on to the next step. 57 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: They were able to get a first round pick in 58 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: a second round pick from Las Vegas. They now have 59 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: four picks in the top sixty, the first time that 60 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: has happened for them since nine seven. If they choose 61 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: to pick in those four spots, you look at how 62 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: they've been able to build around this offense and kind 63 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: of start to chart out this next chapter for Aaron 64 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: Rodgers as talented as Davante is, and he's one of 65 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: the game's very best. The kingpin here is number twelve, 66 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: the two time reigning NFL m v P. To have 67 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: him back in the fold, it's going to be very 68 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: different this year, Don't get me wrong. This offense will 69 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: probably even look a lot different. But it starts with Rogers. 70 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: He's the straw that stirs this drink. So being able 71 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: to retain him build for two, two and beyond a 72 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: lot out there for the Packers. Yeah, well, Aaron Rodgers, 73 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: obviously he's he's not happy with the act that Davante 74 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: Adams is no longer here, but by all accounts he was. 75 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: He was aware of the potential for this trade, that 76 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: Davante Adams had had asked to get out of Green Bay, 77 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: that he wanted to to put himself in a different situation. Um, 78 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: so the Packers, with Rogers deciding deciding to come back, 79 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: fully aware of the possibility, if not likelihood, that Davante 80 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: Adams would not be back with him. So he's he's 81 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: accepted that challenge. On the Adams side of things, the 82 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: Packers didn't, you know, throw up a sign and say 83 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: Davanta Adams is available and make it like this bidding 84 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: war across the league. Adams had expressed what he wanted, 85 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: which was to which was to go to the Raiders 86 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: and be with Derek Carr. The Packers were able to 87 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: facilitate trade with that one suitor. So to speak, Um, 88 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: get the first and second round draft picks, as you said, 89 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: to give Brian goodakunst what what will be for? For sure? 90 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: The most active first two days is of a draft 91 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: in his uh um in his handful of of drafts 92 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: in in the catbird seat here as as the Packers GM. 93 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: But now moving forward the wide receiver room not only 94 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: will will not have Davante Adams, but Mark was Valdes 95 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: Scantling assigned a free agent deal with the Kansas City Chiefs. 96 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: Ecuanamius st Brown has also departed in free agency, and 97 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: then just last week, with a lot of angst amongst 98 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: the fan base as to what is going to happen 99 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: here at wide receiver because all these guys are leaving, 100 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: the Packers sign Sammy Watkins. Um former number four overall 101 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: pick in the draft, played for a few different teams now, 102 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: most recently with the Baltimore Ravens last year and with 103 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: the free agent prices for wide receivers kind of going crazy. 104 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: The Packers get Watkins at a very palatable price and 105 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: a veteran to join Al Lazard and Randall Cobb as 106 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: veteran leaders in a receiver room. Uh. Moving forward here 107 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: in two in a move that Aaron Rodgers even voiced 108 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: his approval of, and Pat McAfee, I should say the 109 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: sources that Pat McAfee talks to saying that they were 110 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: excited about that edition, and you can see why. I mean, certainly, 111 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins is a different type of receiver. He's not 112 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: going to be the MBS. He's not going to be 113 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: the Davante Adams. The Packers aren't going to ask him 114 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: to be. But when both of those guys departed, I 115 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: really felt like they needed to be able to add 116 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: a veteran there. You just there's gonna be. You're probably 117 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: gonna add some young guys in this draft, maybe even 118 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: as early as the first two rounds, maybe multiple guys 119 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: in those first two rounds, But to ask them to 120 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: come into training camp and be the guy good to 121 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: go right away, that's a big ask. So to be 122 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: able to bring in the Watkins with his experience a 123 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: guy that really came out of the gates is rookie 124 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: year and kind of let the world on fire. Well, 125 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: now he's going to come into this situation. The past 126 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: history with Matt Lafleur, being able to actually share that 127 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: time with him in two thousand seventeen, he knows what 128 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: this offense looks like. And if you look at some 129 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: of the reports last year and what some people were 130 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: saying about him in Baltimore, the bunch formations, the slot concepts, 131 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: he was really successful in those when he was healthy. 132 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: Unfortunately the thigh injury and the knee injury crypt up. 133 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: But the Packers, it just gives them another option here 134 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: as they try to build this thing out and being 135 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: able to find this next step without Davante Adams in 136 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: that room. Yeah, and and it's as I had mentioned 137 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: an insider inbox last week, it's a it's a very smart, 138 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: sensible move for both sides. I mentioned obviously the palatable 139 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: price for Sammy Watkins when the wide receiver market is 140 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: kind of going crazy, and from Watkins point of view, 141 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: you mentioned his age, he still feels like he has 142 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: plenty left to offer in this league. He signs a 143 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: one year deal, gets a chance to catch passes for 144 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: one season from Aaron Rodgers and hit the free agent 145 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: market again next year. So from from his point of view, 146 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense. And and that's how 147 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: that's how these type of deals come together, because because 148 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: both sides feel good about what they're getting in, both 149 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: sides want to maximize. And I was saying this right 150 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: after the season ended, Mike, whatever happened with Devondre Campbell 151 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: was sold Douglass. These guys, the Packers now have a 152 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: blueprint here where they can point to, Hey, this guy 153 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: came in and played under this deal. Devandra Cambell played 154 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: for two million dollars last year. I mean, that's remarkable. Right. 155 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: They're gonna be able to say, not only we're going 156 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: to give you the opportunity to showcase your talent, we 157 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: believe our scheme is going to fit what you do well. 158 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: And when you build up that kind of track record, 159 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,119 Speaker 1: I have to imagine that's something in these agents minds 160 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: and these players mind that's going to hold value in 161 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: addition to the fact that you have the ace up 162 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: to sleeve in Aaron Rodgers, yeah, absolutely. And also from 163 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: a pass catching perspective. The Packers have resigned tight end 164 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: Robert Tonyan. Now the timeline for him for two is 165 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: very much up in the air because of the Week 166 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: eight at Arizona last season, the torn a c L 167 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: that ended Tony in one season. Early. By all accounts, 168 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: everything is going fine with his rehab and his recovery. 169 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: We will see, we will see what the timeline is. 170 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: But that's another guy, another guy that the Packers have 171 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: brought back into the fold to go along with. Obviously 172 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: you have the veteran in Marcedes Lewis, but then these 173 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: young developing guys Josiah Deguara, Tyler Davis, Dominique Daffney, and 174 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: we'll see what the Packers do in the draft with 175 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: regard to the tight end position um, but still there 176 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: behind Marcedes Lewis. It's just it feels like the Packers 177 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: have a lot of developmental pieces that you don't know 178 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: exactly where this is going to go with some of 179 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: these guys, but they've all shown they've all shown those flashes, 180 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: and certainly Tony season was off the charts remarkable. They've 181 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: shown flashes of being potentially solid contributors, consistent contributors week 182 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: to week, and that's what the Packers will be looking 183 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: for at tight end as this as the passing game 184 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: adjust to this new you know, without Davante Adams reality. Yeah, 185 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: and and they need Robert Tony. When the season ended 186 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: and we saw how things played out, and especially after 187 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: you saw VS leave in in in Adam's leave, you 188 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: needed to be able to find a way to keep 189 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: Tonyan because what they need from Robert Tonyan in two 190 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: thousand twenty two is what they didn't have last season, 191 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: him during the second half of the season. And the 192 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: earlier he gets back, the better for this offense, no 193 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: doubt about it. But I really look at this as 194 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: the type of signing that if it even if it 195 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: takes to October or November to get him back, that 196 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: type of playmaker, with the comfortability he has with Aaron Rodgers, 197 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: that's something that could put you over the top as 198 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: some of those young receivers get comfortable and so you 199 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: start to find yourself and your identity a little bit 200 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: more offensively. And on top of that, they do have 201 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: a returning nucleus here at tight end to stem the 202 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: tight until he is back. Mercedes Lewis is still your 203 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: traditional in line tight end. He's going into year seventeen. 204 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: He's going to be thirty eight here in a couple 205 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: of days. He's he's on the older side of this thing, 206 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: but he knows the offense and they're gonna be able 207 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: to run some of the schematic things they want to 208 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: do with those running backs because of his presence. I 209 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: thought Josiah Deguire showed things last year. Yes, he is 210 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: more of that f tight end. Same thing with Dominique Daphne. 211 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: They're not the traditional type of, you know, inline guys 212 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: that you would look for at that position, but there's 213 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: that ability there. And then certainly I thought Tyler Davis 214 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: had some moments as well for coming in late. He 215 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: is a little bit more of that projected traditional tight ends. 216 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: So a lot of options there for Green Bay in 217 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: addition to the fact, as you said, undrafted, free agency, 218 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: the draft, there's a lot of different ways that they 219 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: could augment that roster. Still well, there are also some 220 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: moving parts on the offensive line for the Packers here 221 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: in two and I will get to those in a minute. 222 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: I just don't want to lose track of sponsor business. Yes, 223 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: Serious x M NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and 224 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: up to the NFL News that true football fanatics need 225 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: seven three six and at Cousin Subs, we have something 226 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: for everyone like our Wisconsin Cheese curds, mac and Cheese, 227 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: golden fries, and creamy shakes, all paired with your favorite 228 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: sub or sub in a bowl. Cousin Subs, we believe 229 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: in her all right. On the offensive line, Billy Turner 230 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: was released in what essentially was a salary cap move 231 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: by the Packers. Lucas Patrick signed as a free agent 232 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: with the Chicago Bears to become their starting center. After 233 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: his release, Turner Um signed with the Denver Broncos, a 234 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: team he's played with previously. So the Packers lose two 235 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: guys that started a bunch of games on the offensive 236 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: line over the past couple of years. But as you 237 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: look now at the offensive line, the Packers are planning 238 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: to have David Bactieri back at left tackle after all 239 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: the the the false starts pardon the pun with regard 240 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: to his return um to the field last year that 241 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: didn't work out. You have two young guards in John 242 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: Runyon and Royce Newman, both of whom who started the 243 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: bulk of the season last year. Josh Myers to be 244 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: back as the starting center after a rookie season that 245 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: started with a lot promise, then got derailed by injuries, 246 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: and then he was back at the end of the year. 247 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: The big question mark though with Elton Jenkins on the 248 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: men from his a c L which happened in November 249 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,359 Speaker 1: at Minnesota last year, and we don't know the timeline 250 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: much the same way with Tony and we don't know 251 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: the timeline exactly for when Elton Jenkins will be back 252 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: in the lineup. But the biggest question mark as of 253 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: right now for the Packers is who's going to play 254 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: right tackle, which is the position that Billy Turner held 255 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: down for the most part. Other than being shifted around 256 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: a few times himself, Turner held that down for the 257 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,119 Speaker 1: last couple of years. It would seem the top candidate 258 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: would be Yash Naiman, that the Packers would flip him 259 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: from left tackle, where he filled in for about half 260 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: the season. All told for Box tr that they would 261 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: flip Niman to right tackle and give him a chance 262 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: to compete and win that starting job. And then of 263 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: course we'll see what happens with the draft again with 264 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: the Packer is having having those four picks in the 265 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: first two rounds. You could certainly see them selecting an 266 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: offensive tackle early in the draft who would potentially also 267 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: compete for a starting job from day one, just as 268 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: Josh Meyers walked in and started from day one at 269 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: center last year. That's how the Packers have built this program. 270 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: They've had it so many times, Mike, you can talk 271 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: about it's so many different positions where they had a 272 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: returning vet competing for a job, but then they brought 273 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: in sometimes even a high draft pick to compete with them. 274 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: I think of Micah Hyde and Ha Ha Clinton Dicks 275 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: in two thousand four at the safety position, and I 276 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: think that's a perfect candidate for it here too. And 277 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: depending on the guy type of guy you get, maybe 278 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: that's somebody that's also competing for right guard or who knows, 279 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: you know. I mean last year Royce Newman was a 280 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: guy that was projected to be able to play both 281 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: of those positions, and four a time did uh during 282 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: the off season program. What I'm curious to see here 283 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: is not necessarily you know, how this offensive line looks 284 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: or how the dominoes fall, but really how they rebuild 285 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: their depth there, because that's been one of the hallmarks 286 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: of this thing under Adam Stanovich, that room now being 287 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: passed on to Luke Bucks as as Stenovitch graduates into 288 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator job. But seeing how they are able 289 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: to make up for you know, not having a John 290 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: Runyon just sitting on the bench now, a guy that 291 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: you know basically played in three or four big situations 292 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: as a rookie but never started a game. Well, then 293 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: last year he starts sixteen games and by in my opinion, 294 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: you're you're the one that pointed out the stat on 295 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: him that he wasn't penalized last year or I didn't 296 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: have an accepted penalty against him. This guy, in so 297 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: many ways reminds me of Lane Taylor and just a steady, 298 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: consistent presence there and into my eye, a guy that 299 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: could potentially hold down that job for seven eight years 300 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: just because of what he brings in the transition he's 301 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: been able to achieve there from an all big tent 302 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: tackle to play in that left guard spot. Royce Newman. 303 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: Certainly there were the ups and downs there in the 304 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: rookie year, but a fourth round pedigree, you saw some 305 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: of the athleticism there. I'll be interested to see where 306 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: they want to slot him go on into this camp, 307 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: David Botr As long as the kn's good, you're good there. 308 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: And I think Josh Meyers is going to continue on 309 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: that trajectory that they've had with the center position of 310 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: just having one solid guy after another. Right tackles the 311 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: question mark because when you have somebody like Turner who 312 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: was brought in, he played right guard that first year, 313 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: but I think everybody kind of saw the way the 314 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: contracts looked. You're paying him money to start it right guard, 315 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: but it also could be placed over at right tackle, 316 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: and that's how it worked out. Guy played a lot 317 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: of football, started a lot of games. Can Nineman make 318 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: the switch? I think he can. Six ft seven three 319 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: and fourteen pounds. He opened my eyes and I think 320 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways we saw throughout the course 321 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: of those eight spots starts what Adam Stanovich saw in 322 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: this young man and what they wanted to do there. 323 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: You bring him in, you let him compete for that job, 324 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: maybe you draft somebody. If you don't, you still got 325 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: Dennis Kelly out there that could potentially come back in 326 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: this thing as well. A lot of options for what 327 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: Green Bay wants to do. But to me, it's not 328 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: about the starting five. It's about those top seven eight guys, 329 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: and who you have is potentially those next men up. 330 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: Because we out Turner. Without Patrick, you're losing a lot 331 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: of versatility with that group. Yeah, the Packers that the 332 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: Packers have lost versatility and they've lost some depth with 333 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: how this offseason has unfolded to this point, and that's 334 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: where again, Brian Gudukuns has never shied away from drafting 335 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. We've seen him draft several of them over 336 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: his his few years as the GM, and some of 337 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: them are still here, some of them have not worked out. 338 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: But the the refortifying of the depth in that unit 339 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: I think is going to is going to come from 340 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: this draft, whether it's with with the high picks, you know, 341 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: those picks in the first or second round, or whether 342 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: it's whether it's with with picks in the in the 343 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: middle rounds, where then you have you have guys who 344 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: maybe a guy comes in like Roy Snwman a fourth 345 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: rounder last year, or you have these other guys who 346 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: are gonna going to compete with Cole van Landon and 347 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: other young draft picks who are who yeah, Jake Hansen, 348 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: those young draft picks from recent years who are making 349 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: their way and are filling in some of those depth 350 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: spots as well. The really interesting thing I think, and 351 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: again this is this is projecting. This is projecting way 352 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: down the road. But you can humor me for a 353 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: minute here. If we say, if we say, right now, 354 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: the Packers offensive line left to right is going to 355 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: be bak tr Runyon, Myers, Newman and Nyman, Newman and Nyman. 356 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: That we'll have to get used to that. But if 357 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: that say, say that is the Packers starting five on 358 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: the offensive line for for week one of at some point, 359 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: maybe it's going to be six weeks into the year, 360 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: eight weeks, nine weeks into the season, whatever, at some 361 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: point the Packers are hoping and planning to get Elton 362 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: Jenkins back. And this is a guy who can play 363 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: anywhere across the offensive line and basically has I think 364 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: the one spot maybe that he hasn't played in the 365 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: NFL is right guards. He played all of them. He 366 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: never started it right, he hasn't started it right. But yeah, 367 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: so the question is then when Jenkins comes back, like 368 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: what do you do? What do you do? Where do 369 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: you put him? And and to me, when you're talking 370 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: about a player like that, of of of his caliber. 371 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: But yet he's not going to have an entire training camp. 372 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: He doesn't get an offseason program, a training camp and 373 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: all this to get ready. When he's ready to go, 374 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: he's going to have a couple three weeks of practice 375 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 1: and then and when he's ready, then they they'll want 376 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: to put him into a game. I think very I 377 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: think what might play out here in a sense is 378 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: that if everything's good with box Trri at left tackle 379 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: and there are no more issues with his knee, those 380 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: other four guys across the front they might be just 381 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: playing to keep their job until Elton Jenkins come comes back. 382 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is whichever guy is 383 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: maybe not playing not quite as well as the other 384 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: guys of those four spots from left guard all the 385 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: way over to right tackle, that might be the guy 386 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: who gets replaced. That maybe where you put in Elton Jenkins, 387 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl guard, but a guy who plays at 388 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: or near a Pro Bowl level pretty much anywhere across 389 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: that Yeah, And I mean I go back to two 390 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: years ago and who could have ever foreseen him having 391 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: to make those three starts for Corey Lensley. When Corey 392 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: had knee injury, the m cl thing, right, and that 393 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: was that was his position in college for the for 394 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: the most part, was a center, and he and he 395 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: stepped right in, but but he hadn't even really practiced 396 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: there in the NFL, and and he filled in for 397 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: Lindsley for three weeks. And then last year, I mean, 398 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: would you have and when you and I were talking 399 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: in week one, would you've ever forguessed that it would 400 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: been Lucas Patrick starting the most games at center, for 401 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: eleven games at center last season. Right, There's so many 402 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: different dominoes that happened, and unfortunately all of them happened 403 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: last year for Green Bay. I mean, there really wasn't 404 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: any situation. There wasn't any position that wasn't affected by it. 405 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: So that's where I think you look at the versatility 406 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: of this group. You look at the depth of the group, because, hey, 407 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: as much as that would be the best case scenario 408 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: for Green Bay is that Elton Jenkins comes back and 409 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: they got to make a tough decision somewhere on the 410 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: offensive line, but unfortunately, you go back to last year, 411 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: a lot of it ended up being, hey, we got 412 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: this player back. This is great because these read guys 413 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: are unavailable right now, right that that's going to be 414 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: sort of the the thing I think you have to 415 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: watch this year, and certainly you would hope for the 416 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: Packer's sake, you give Jenkins back. Um, because the thing 417 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: is Mike I've never seen anything like him in terms 418 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: of a guy that the Packers have had, guys who 419 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: can play multiple positions. I'm now at this point, I'm 420 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: fully convinced if you start him at any of the 421 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: five positions for all sixteen seventeen regular season games. Guy's 422 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: a pro bowler. Yeah, I mean, it's just his footwork, 423 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: his power, his athleticism, and he does it in such 424 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: a mild manner too. I mean he's Yeah, he's like 425 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: the most unassuming guy. Pound for palm. People talk about 426 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: Gire Alexander, they talk about Rashawn Gary rightfully so, but 427 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: I mean pound for pound, to find that guy in 428 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: the second round three years ago, I mean, that's to me, 429 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: that's still Brian Goodkin's best pick, just because you typically 430 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: can't find those offensive linemen at that spot. Versatile. Yeah. 431 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: One other topic on the offensive side of the ball 432 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: to get to before we go, and that is you 433 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: touched on it a little bit the changes with the 434 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: coaching staff because offensive coordinator former offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett 435 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: is now the head coach for the Denver Broncos. He 436 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: took tight ends coach Justin out and with him to 437 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: be his offensive coordinator out in Denver, and then the 438 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: Packers quarterbacks coach and passing game coordinator Luke Getsy has 439 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: now taken the offensive coordinator job for the NFC North 440 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: rivals Chicago Bears. We're working for a defensive head coach 441 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: in Matt Eberflus gets gets He excuse me, will be 442 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: uh calling the plays. He will be the offensive play 443 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: caller for Justin fields and uh and that Chicago Bears offense. 444 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: So what that means is Adam Stanovich, offensive line coach, 445 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: has now moved up to offensive coordinator. Luke Butkus. Stenovich 446 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: is assistant on the offensive line, is now the lead 447 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: coach at that position. Jason Vrabel, the wide receiver's coach, 448 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: has has gotten the passing game coordinator title um added 449 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: to his duties. John Dunne, who as a senior analyst 450 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: on the offensive staff, has now been internally promoted to 451 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: be the tight ends coach to replace justin outon and 452 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: then Tom Clements, a familiar face and old friend, UM 453 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: worked on Mike McCarthy staff as quarterbacks coach, as offensive coordinator, 454 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: as associate head coach from the span of I believe 455 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: it was two thousand and six through two thousand and sixteen, 456 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: so he was on McCarthy staff for eleven years. Tom 457 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: Clements is back as the quarterbacks coach and UH and 458 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: obviously Aaron Rodgers UM who has spoken um glowingly over 459 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: the years and very gratefully about the impact that Tom 460 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: Clements had on his development and on this road now 461 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: that has that has included four m v P awards 462 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers. Rogers had a lot to do with 463 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: Tom Clements essentially coming out of a one year retirement 464 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: to return to the to the coaching ranks and to 465 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: his old job as quarterbacks coaching Green Bay. And it 466 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: was refreshing to hear his perspective on things too write 467 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: because he was talking about retirement life in California and 468 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: his glamorous it sounded especially for guys like you and me, 469 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: who I think our gray hairs are popping up by 470 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: the day, just based on the way that the business works. 471 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: Um he's taking it easy and and rightfully. So. The 472 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 1: guys played a lot of football, He's coached a lot 473 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: of football. He mentioned how difficult those two years were 474 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: on his family. They were back in California. He's down 475 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: in Arizona mentoring Kyler Murray right after they drafted him. 476 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: Um on Cliff Kingsbury staff and ultimately just society know what, 477 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm good And it sounds like he was good last year. 478 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: But Rogers is the one that reached out. He kind 479 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: of wanted to see after gets he had moved down 480 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: to Chicago. Hey, what are you thinking? Would this be something? 481 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: He is interesting? You interesting to you? And I loved 482 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: Clements's line with what was basically, well what are you thinking? 483 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: You know? Together? Okay, am I gonna come back? And 484 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: are you gonna be here? I mean, as much as 485 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's he enjoys mentoring young quarterbacks that the 486 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: draws there with Rodgers and in reuniting with the guy 487 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: that he was with in his first four years in 488 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: that specific role as a starting quarterback. So uh, Rogers 489 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: has talked so many times past present about what the 490 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: impact was of Tom Clements. I think Clements has had 491 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: a mightas touch for his approach to Rogers and his 492 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: understanding of the game and what his rules are for 493 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: that position. And certainly I think it makes a lot 494 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: of sense for him to come back, if I may, 495 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: Before I hand the baton back over to you, I 496 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: do think Matt Lafleur deserves a mighty tip of the 497 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: cat this offseason because one of the things that coaches, 498 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: especially when they have success early on, our want to 499 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: do is to start, you know, not allowing those young 500 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: guys to maybe necessarily come off of their staff. They 501 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: have some system in place, they're scared to change. Matt 502 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: Lafleur is not afraid of change, and I think that 503 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: speaks volumes of him as terms of his confidence as 504 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: a coach and also his ability to identify talent and 505 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: to bring up talent. You mentioned all those coaches there 506 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: early on, right. You had Buck Kiss who was an 507 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: assistant offensive line coach. Adam Stanovich was an assistant offensive 508 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: line coach with the forty niners. Jason Rabel got here 509 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,239 Speaker 1: as an offensive assistant. These guys were basically in just 510 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: elevated roles from quality control ultimately, and now they are 511 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: his next the next guy's up, and I'm telling you, Mike, 512 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: in the coaching world, that goes a long way, because 513 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: coaches are gonna look around and they're gonna see the 514 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: ladder that has kind of developed in Green Bay, the 515 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: coaching tree that has sprouted. That's going to attract more 516 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: young talent when it comes to quality control, when it 517 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: comes to senior analysts, when it comes to guys that 518 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: are like, you know what that system in Green Bay works. 519 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: I think that's the ultimate testament to Matt lafloor And 520 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: also the communication that he had with Nathaniel Hackett. Hackett 521 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: said they were talking about it a year earlier when 522 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: he was interviewing for the Atlanta Falcons job. He didn't 523 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: want to be a guy that just rated Matt Lafleur's staff, 524 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: but they wanted to be in communication with each other. 525 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: If there were opportunities for some of the guys like 526 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: a justin outon to develop, I think that's the best 527 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: part of this game him. When you can make things 528 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: like that happen. Yeah, when you've when you've had the success, 529 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: especially early in your head coaching career that Matt la 530 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: Fleur has had, it's going to create opportunities for guys 531 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: on your staff who are deserving of those opportunities, but 532 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: you may not have those openings available on your own staff. 533 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: You can, you can only have so many coordinators, right. 534 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: So Matt, Matt Lafleur has I'm sure, I'm sure mentally, 535 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: if not on paper in a file somewhere, had been 536 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: preparing for an off season like this where guys were 537 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: gonna move on, guys were going to leave. Things we're 538 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: gonna need to be shifted around, and he had some 539 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: very very solid ideas as to as to how he 540 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: wanted to navigate through this situation. And now here we 541 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: are in two it's a it's it's very much a 542 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: new look. It's it's a new look coaching staff. But 543 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: yet it's not a complete overhaul either. There's a there's 544 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: a there's a blend there in terms of how Matt 545 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: Lafleur was able to navigate to navigate the situation. And 546 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: now pretty soon, well in about a month or so, 547 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: I guess O t a s when they actually start 548 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: practicing um full time on the field, than than these guys, 549 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: these these coaches will get back to doing what they 550 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: do best, which and what they what they like to do. Best, 551 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: which is to run practice and to see where this 552 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: season is headed. And I'm telling you, Mike, you don't 553 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: need to be a head coach in the National Football 554 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: that you can be a manager at a grocery store, 555 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: you can be a principal at a school, you can 556 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: work at a tire shop. If you inhibit opportunities of 557 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: your employees, that is going to build up contempt. And 558 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur gets it. He gets it in a way 559 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: that not just NFL coaches typically don't get it. Human 560 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: beings don't get You have to allow people to spread 561 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: their wings sometimes and trust that you're going to find 562 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: more talented people to replace them. And I just I 563 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: I thought this offseason and how the floor handle it 564 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: was a masterclass and how you go about doing it 565 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: because you can't be afraid of change, adapt or die. Yeah. Absolutely, 566 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: well with that, we'll call it a wrap on this 567 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: edition and of Packers Unscripted, you should have follow all 568 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: of our coverage of the team, lots of draft preview, 569 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: roster roster position by position examination of the Packers, everything 570 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: heading into the into this upcoming draft. We've got it 571 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: all for you on Packers dot Com for West I'm Mike. 572 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in. 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