1
00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:11,400
Speaker 1: This is every Thursday from to Welcome into the huddle

2
00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,560
Speaker 1: with Dave Wyman, Jake Keep, Stacy Ross, and Tom Wossle

3
00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,040
Speaker 1: here to get you guys ready for Seattle's game against

4
00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,000
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. We're starting NFC West play this week.

5
00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,800
Speaker 1: Before we get to that, though, let's recap what we

6
00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,880
Speaker 1: learned over the bye week. Now, we had some guys

7
00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,680
Speaker 1: that could potentially come back in this game. Jamal Adams

8
00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,519
Speaker 1: one of those guys, Jordan Brooks potentially. We also had

9
00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,920
Speaker 1: some news, Dave, I would say the biggest story might

10
00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,960
Speaker 1: be that the Seahawks once again one of the teams

11
00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,320
Speaker 1: potentially even a frontrunner looking at Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown

12
00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,960
Speaker 1: eligible to return from his suspension after week eight. Dave,

13
00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,320
Speaker 1: would you make of that news yesterday that the Seahawks

14
00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,240
Speaker 1: are right back in there? Well, they're in every deal

15
00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,800
Speaker 1: and we've keep saying that they were in the Clowney deal.

16
00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,520
Speaker 1: They were obviously in the Jamal Adams deal, as Jake

17
00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,840
Speaker 1: found out early, and you know, they're never going to

18
00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,760
Speaker 1: be out of a deal. I mean, if it's within

19
00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,959
Speaker 1: the realm of Hey, look, this is a guy that

20
00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,960
Speaker 1: will probably sign with a team in the NFL. Yes, yes,

21
00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,800
Speaker 1: he'll be part of it. But I mean, how how

22
00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,400
Speaker 1: serious are they about it? And you know that that's

23
00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,959
Speaker 1: a different thing. I wonder, you know, maybe are we

24
00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,360
Speaker 1: overestimating how disruptive he would be. We're looking at his

25
00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,160
Speaker 1: past obviously, but you know, or maybe you're you're under

26
00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:32,039
Speaker 1: you know, estimating it. But I'll say this, the look,

27
00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,679
Speaker 1: there's some things off the field about Antonio Brown that

28
00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,520
Speaker 1: that people have questions about and everything. But the one

29
00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,800
Speaker 1: thing is I was never late for a meeting in

30
00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,240
Speaker 1: nine years, so you know, and that's one of the

31
00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,440
Speaker 1: things that maybe could be a problem, you know, And

32
00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,520
Speaker 1: so we'll see. But I just think that you always

33
00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,320
Speaker 1: answer the question that way. And right here and cut

34
00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,200
Speaker 1: number one, here's Pete Carroll. Win asked about whether or

35
00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,920
Speaker 1: not the Seahawks are keeping tabs on Brown to be

36
00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,080
Speaker 1: in on everything that's going on. And John has done

37
00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,840
Speaker 1: a marvelous job of always being tuned into what's happening

38
00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,240
Speaker 1: and and this is no exception, you know. So we'll

39
00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,720
Speaker 1: see what happens, you know, as we go forward, but

40
00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,360
Speaker 1: we're tuned into what's happening there now, Jake. I know,

41
00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,640
Speaker 1: we always talk about parsing Pete. But how seriously should

42
00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,560
Speaker 1: we be taking Seattle's interest in Brown? Well, if this

43
00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,880
Speaker 1: was something that just popped up, I don't know how

44
00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,640
Speaker 1: seriously you would take it other than kind of what

45
00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,760
Speaker 1: Dave said. They're in every scenario, every situation, they're going

46
00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,040
Speaker 1: to look into it investigated. But this has been a

47
00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,919
Speaker 1: conversation that has gone on all offseason as well, So

48
00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,840
Speaker 1: this is not the first time that you've heard Seahawks

49
00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,640
Speaker 1: potentially being interested, Russell Wilson being interested, and those things.

50
00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,320
Speaker 1: And the conversation that I had, or the thought that

51
00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,120
Speaker 1: I had yesterday still holds true in my mind, is

52
00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,920
Speaker 1: that I have to put my faith in the leadership

53
00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,640
Speaker 1: group that is the Seahawks organization that they have looked

54
00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,160
Speaker 1: into the situation and have investigated it seriously on two fronts.

55
00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,600
Speaker 1: One the off the field issues and two as Dave

56
00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,880
Speaker 1: was pointing out, how Antonio Brown would be a member

57
00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,239
Speaker 1: of the Seattle Seahawks, and you have to be very

58
00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:20,000
Speaker 1: clear of your expectations for this player. And much like

59
00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,240
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon last year when he walked into the building,

60
00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,560
Speaker 1: he was on a zero tolerance policy. The off the

61
00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,160
Speaker 1: field issues are not the same. But when they walked

62
00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,760
Speaker 1: into When Josh Gordon was in the building, he was

63
00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,560
Speaker 1: on a zero tolerance policy. Antonio Brown would be on

64
00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,120
Speaker 1: a zero tolerance policy, meaning that if he misstepped in

65
00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,040
Speaker 1: any which way or form, as Dave pointed out, whether

66
00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,000
Speaker 1: it's missing meetings or anything detrimental to the team, they

67
00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,360
Speaker 1: would cut him in. His contract would be of such

68
00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,480
Speaker 1: that it would be of no consequence to the organization.

69
00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,080
Speaker 1: So you look at it and you have I put

70
00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,280
Speaker 1: my trust in the organization as they make that decision

71
00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,800
Speaker 1: and their investigation, and also with the understanding that they feel,

72
00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,080
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, if they made this choice, that they

73
00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,880
Speaker 1: could make it work and they could do it where

74
00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,920
Speaker 1: it would not be detrimental to the team. Obviously it's

75
00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,960
Speaker 1: a big risk, but they would in that situation also

76
00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:21,240
Speaker 1: feel it could be a big reward. Dave, do you

77
00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,880
Speaker 1: think that they really need Antonio Brown out there? I mean,

78
00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,560
Speaker 1: there is a point where you know, there's only so

79
00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,320
Speaker 1: many possessions in the game. How much more offense could

80
00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,480
Speaker 1: they actually generate? Where do you stand on that issue? Yeah,

81
00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,839
Speaker 1: I guess from listening to Pete talk for over the years,

82
00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,520
Speaker 1: it's just that you can't have enough good players and

83
00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,919
Speaker 1: you can't have enough competition, and they always say this,

84
00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,960
Speaker 1: you can't have enough pass rushers is one thing I

85
00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,160
Speaker 1: know that is big with Schneider. But yeah, think about this.

86
00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,760
Speaker 1: Remember the catch and look, I know it's one catch,

87
00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,240
Speaker 1: but remember the catch that Josh Gordon made in Carolina

88
00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,400
Speaker 1: last year. I think it's the best catch I've ever seen.

89
00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it was an amazing I think. So. The

90
00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,000
Speaker 1: reason why because he was he was going full speed

91
00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,520
Speaker 1: and he was looking back in the sun and he

92
00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,360
Speaker 1: caught the back half of that football and he still

93
00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,279
Speaker 1: kept it off the ground and he didn't fumble it.

94
00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,000
Speaker 1: So those are the kinds of things you could see

95
00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,320
Speaker 1: from Antonio Brown on the field. Now you get mesmerized

96
00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,279
Speaker 1: by his talent and just watching him run it's like

97
00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,040
Speaker 1: watching a deer prance around out on the field. He's

98
00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,960
Speaker 1: so it's like the like the size of a quarter

99
00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,280
Speaker 1: on the bottom of his foot is that's how much

100
00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,040
Speaker 1: of his foot touches the ground. It's like he's literally

101
00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,919
Speaker 1: flying almost and you get enamored by that. So yeah,

102
00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,720
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's why. But you know the zero

103
00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,600
Speaker 1: tolerance thing that you mentioned, Jake, and also making it

104
00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,640
Speaker 1: so it's not punitive to the team financially, you don't

105
00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,839
Speaker 1: commit a whole bunch. You say, hey, here's a chance,

106
00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,159
Speaker 1: and if you produce, then you'll get this. So yeah,

107
00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,240
Speaker 1: I think it's it's something that you always look to do.

108
00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,080
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, you know, with Pete, He's always gotten

109
00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,280
Speaker 1: a lot of good out of players. I mean, they

110
00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,200
Speaker 1: shipped Marshawn Lanch out of out of Buffalo, you know,

111
00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,119
Speaker 1: and didn't and there were lots of teams that didn't

112
00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,640
Speaker 1: want him, and I think he got traded for like

113
00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,440
Speaker 1: a fifth and maybe maybe a little bit higher. But

114
00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,720
Speaker 1: I mean that was look at what you got out

115
00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,760
Speaker 1: of him. I think Pete Carroll has always been really

116
00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,840
Speaker 1: good at getting the most value out of guys like

117
00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,159
Speaker 1: that that are seen to be you know, malcontents or whatever.

118
00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,120
Speaker 1: Now maybe this is entirely different. So they'll have to

119
00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,359
Speaker 1: do their own due diligence and investigate of you know how,

120
00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,160
Speaker 1: because look, this is you know, you don't want somebody

121
00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,839
Speaker 1: on your team that's, you know, gonna misrepresent what you

122
00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,960
Speaker 1: guys are all about. I always talk think about, you know,

123
00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,159
Speaker 1: and obviously there's Russ and Bobby and everything. I always

124
00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,680
Speaker 1: thinking about kJ. We interviewed kJ the other day. He's

125
00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,240
Speaker 1: just such a good man, and he's such a good

126
00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,200
Speaker 1: teammate and family guy, and just you know, that's the

127
00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,200
Speaker 1: guy that you hold up and say, this is the

128
00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,680
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawk franchise here, this guy right here. So you

129
00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,120
Speaker 1: know that was that's part of it. That it has

130
00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,480
Speaker 1: to be something that you can be proud of. And again,

131
00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,480
Speaker 1: they'll do their due diligence and see you know how

132
00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,280
Speaker 1: much they're willing to put up with. But I'll say

133
00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,200
Speaker 1: that Pete has gotten a lot out of those kinds

134
00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,200
Speaker 1: of players that have been sort of questionable and you know,

135
00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,320
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit on the edge, but he's been

136
00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,440
Speaker 1: able to bring them in and make him part of

137
00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,000
Speaker 1: a team. So but yeah, I mean, I think Seahawk

138
00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,600
Speaker 1: fans are just gonna have to get used to the

139
00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,480
Speaker 1: fact that every time there's somebody like that, whether you

140
00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,520
Speaker 1: like him or not, that they're going to at least

141
00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,160
Speaker 1: be partly in on the deal. Now, there is another

142
00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,800
Speaker 1: player that's officially back in Seattle. That would be linebacker

143
00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,680
Speaker 1: Michael Kendricks got number three. Here's Pete. Carroll asked about

144
00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,600
Speaker 1: his return. Well, Michael's a really good ballplayer, and we

145
00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,600
Speaker 1: thought he did great stuff for us in the past,

146
00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,720
Speaker 1: had a huge injury, has done a marvelous job of

147
00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,000
Speaker 1: returning right now. You know, this is the first day

148
00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,600
Speaker 1: that he's practiced, you know, since he got hurt. So

149
00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna take it slow and make sure that, you know,

150
00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,960
Speaker 1: Mike's gets enough time to get going again. Then we'll

151
00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,960
Speaker 1: see where he fits in now, Dave, I know that

152
00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,080
Speaker 1: Pete also said he'd be getting that start opportunity at

153
00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,320
Speaker 1: the Will spot, which Pete thinks this his best spot

154
00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,239
Speaker 1: obviously with kJ at Sam, how interchangeable are those two guys.

155
00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, what does Michael Kendricks bring at either Will

156
00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,040
Speaker 1: or Sam spot. Well, it seems like kJ is really

157
00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,560
Speaker 1: comfortable right now. I mean they're playing up a little

158
00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,960
Speaker 1: bit on the line. Fine, yeah, so, I mean, and

159
00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird because I don't know, you're still

160
00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,560
Speaker 1: playing linebacker. But sometimes you know, it's kind of how

161
00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,679
Speaker 1: you look at the line and where you line up

162
00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,000
Speaker 1: that you're just comfortable and you're you're good at dropping

163
00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,400
Speaker 1: to the flat if you're the outside guy. You know,

164
00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,520
Speaker 1: maybe Kj's a little bit better flat dropper, which is

165
00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,440
Speaker 1: how we saw him get his interception and get his

166
00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,960
Speaker 1: hand on the ball at least a few times in Miami,

167
00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,320
Speaker 1: So you know, since he's comfortable there, I feel like Kendricks,

168
00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:57,960
Speaker 1: you can plug in and put him anywhere. That guy

169
00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000
Speaker 1: is the best. I don't know if this makes sense.

170
00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,120
Speaker 1: He has the best connection to the ground. I've ever

171
00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,640
Speaker 1: seen it from a linebacker that he's always low. He's

172
00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,960
Speaker 1: always gonna say, you gotta explain that to us non

173
00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,160
Speaker 1: football players. Jake's over here like, no, I'm picking up

174
00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,000
Speaker 1: what you're putting. Well. Yeah, well, like you know, when

175
00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,559
Speaker 1: he turns the edge like trying to get it's almost

176
00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,840
Speaker 1: like his body's at like a forty five degree angle,

177
00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,679
Speaker 1: and yet he's still able to go great balance, full speed. Yeah, exactly,

178
00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,400
Speaker 1: pad level everything. The other thing about Michael Kendricks is

179
00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,160
Speaker 1: that he's one of those guys I don't think needs

180
00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of practice. He doesn't need to get up

181
00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,480
Speaker 1: to speed. He doesn't need two three games. I mean,

182
00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,000
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, he'll go out there and play it.

183
00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,600
Speaker 1: And I mean just look at his stats. I mean

184
00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,840
Speaker 1: him and his brother both boy, you look at as

185
00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,400
Speaker 1: far as breaking up passes, I mean in his career,

186
00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,559
Speaker 1: you know, he's defense like thirty passes he's got four interceptions,

187
00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,360
Speaker 1: he's got nineteen sacks. I mean, he's just all over

188
00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,280
Speaker 1: the field. He played really well for the Seahawks last

189
00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,880
Speaker 1: year and the year before that, and again we're gonna

190
00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,160
Speaker 1: wait and see whether or not he can get into

191
00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,439
Speaker 1: football shape by this week. Pete Carroll did note it's

192
00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,160
Speaker 1: Michael kendricks first time practicing essentially since offering that ACL tear,

193
00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,880
Speaker 1: at least with the team. So Seahawks fans, I know

194
00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,800
Speaker 1: that a lot of you guys are excited to see

195
00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,920
Speaker 1: what he could potentially look like, just like you're excited

196
00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,600
Speaker 1: to see what Snacks Harrison is going to look like.

197
00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,199
Speaker 1: But we're gonna wait a couple more days on that. Actually,

198
00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,360
Speaker 1: we're also going to be joined by Seahawks dot Com

199
00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,520
Speaker 1: reporter John Boyle, so we'll ask him about both of

200
00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,040
Speaker 1: these guys, as well as injuries to Jamal Adams and

201
00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,040
Speaker 1: another Seahawks starter that miss practice yesterday. That's next on

202
00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,840
Speaker 1: the huddle. This is the Huddle every Thursday from noon

203
00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,880
Speaker 1: to two on seven ten ESPN Seattle. Welcome back into

204
00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,440
Speaker 1: the huddle with Dave Wyman, Jake Keeps, Tom Wassele, and

205
00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,959
Speaker 1: Stacy Ross. We're gonna be joined here by Seahawks dot

206
00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,920
Speaker 1: Com reporter John Boyle. We'll ask him for some injury updates.

207
00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,520
Speaker 1: Just to go over Wednesday's practice report with all of

208
00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,000
Speaker 1: you guys. You had four non participants in practice, safety

209
00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,520
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams with a groin injury, cornerback Quentin Dunbar with

210
00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,000
Speaker 1: a knee He was also arresting VET guard Damian Lewis

211
00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,160
Speaker 1: with an ankle injury, and tackle Brandon Shell with an illness.

212
00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,440
Speaker 1: John Boyle if Seahawks dot Com joining us right now, John,

213
00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,199
Speaker 1: are any of these especially concerning? I mean, is Jamal

214
00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,640
Speaker 1: Adams There wasn't a setback or anything there was there.

215
00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,760
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll says, no setback. I think they're just being

216
00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,520
Speaker 1: cautious and kind of wait and see, you know. I'm

217
00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,199
Speaker 1: sure it's going to be a situation where they want

218
00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,560
Speaker 1: to see what he can do this week and then

219
00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,600
Speaker 1: make a decision either Friday or maybe even not until Sunday.

220
00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,160
Speaker 1: So as always with these injuries, they're not going to risk,

221
00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, long term problems to get a guy back

222
00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,319
Speaker 1: for one week. So I think pretty much everyone you

223
00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,120
Speaker 1: listed is going to be a decision. We got to

224
00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,560
Speaker 1: wait and see get you know, a couple of those

225
00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,280
Speaker 1: guys are dealing with older injuries like Quinn Dunbar and

226
00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,320
Speaker 1: Damian Lewis, where it might just be a case of

227
00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,040
Speaker 1: rescuing them to make sure those don't flare up worse

228
00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,280
Speaker 1: and they're they're not really too big a concern. But again,

229
00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,960
Speaker 1: like I always tell you, we gotta wait till we

230
00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,960
Speaker 1: get through the week and get from Pete on Friday. Yeah, hey, John,

231
00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,240
Speaker 1: you know help. I'm sorry, No, we should know better.

232
00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,960
Speaker 1: We've been asking him give us the details on injuries

233
00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,840
Speaker 1: for what eight ten years now, and we know we

234
00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,600
Speaker 1: know the routine. But let let me ask you this, John,

235
00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,440
Speaker 1: going into the bye week and then coming out of it,

236
00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,800
Speaker 1: what was the sense that you got from the coaches

237
00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,000
Speaker 1: as far as things that they really worked on, as

238
00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,280
Speaker 1: far as you know, you know, the rest the schedule.

239
00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,240
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting to hear Pete Carroll talking

240
00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,719
Speaker 1: about how, you know, how productive he selected buy was

241
00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,760
Speaker 1: because no one could go anywhere. I mean everyone was

242
00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,080
Speaker 1: still around and yeah, players got some time off, but

243
00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,280
Speaker 1: everyone was here. You know. Understanding Lee Carroll's not going

244
00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,120
Speaker 1: to get into specifics of what they focused on, but

245
00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,480
Speaker 1: you got to think a lot of it was you know,

246
00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,040
Speaker 1: just cleaning up some of the defensive issues that there's

247
00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,240
Speaker 1: not a lot to worry about on offense. I mean,

248
00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,000
Speaker 1: you can always try to get better, but when you

249
00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,599
Speaker 1: lead the league in scoring and your quarterback looks like

250
00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,560
Speaker 1: DAMDP of the league, I don't think you worry too

251
00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,680
Speaker 1: much about how those first five game goes. But defensively,

252
00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, we've already seen them start to cut back

253
00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,120
Speaker 1: some of those big plays, but there's a lot they

254
00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,600
Speaker 1: want to clean up there and get to be, you know,

255
00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,840
Speaker 1: more of the defense they think they should be. To me,

256
00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,680
Speaker 1: a big part of it's going to be, you know,

257
00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,880
Speaker 1: if Jamal's returns this week or next week, will never

258
00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,440
Speaker 1: do when they finally get this secondary plan together. I mean,

259
00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:07,040
Speaker 1: between injuries in the Quandary, Dicks ejection and week two,

260
00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,960
Speaker 1: we really haven't seen their starting secondary play together other

261
00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,760
Speaker 1: than the season opener, and that can take some time

262
00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,960
Speaker 1: for those guys to sort of find their rhythm. So

263
00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,320
Speaker 1: that'll make a big difference when that happens. John, One

264
00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,760
Speaker 1: thing that was unclear to me about you mentioned everybody

265
00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,079
Speaker 1: staying in Seattle for the bye week. Was this an

266
00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,080
Speaker 1: NFL mandated thing or was this the Seattle Seahawks organization

267
00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,680
Speaker 1: trying to make sure that their guys, they handle it

268
00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,880
Speaker 1: a different way from everybody else, and they keep their

269
00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,280
Speaker 1: guys in town. I believe it was league mandated that

270
00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,320
Speaker 1: players could not travel during the bye at least not fly,

271
00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,280
Speaker 1: and whether they actually specifically said you cannot travel, they

272
00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,160
Speaker 1: sort of made that a moot point by requiring daily

273
00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,880
Speaker 1: testing drout the bye week. So, I mean, you can't

274
00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,480
Speaker 1: really go anywhere if you've got to be home for

275
00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,840
Speaker 1: a test every single morning. So the fact that they

276
00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,240
Speaker 1: kept guys around kept them testing. I mean, it's you've

277
00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,559
Speaker 1: seen all around the country that there's been some flare

278
00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,600
Speaker 1: ups and they're doing everything they can to keep players

279
00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,480
Speaker 1: safe and keep that him safe and keep games going. John,

280
00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:15,720
Speaker 1: do you think that there's any urgency whatsoever to get

281
00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,080
Speaker 1: Darryl Taylor on the field or are they just going

282
00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,280
Speaker 1: to be as cautious with him as they possibly can,

283
00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:26,400
Speaker 1: even as they think his progress or even as they

284
00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,680
Speaker 1: think he's making progress. Yeah, I mean, I think you

285
00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,640
Speaker 1: have to air on the side of caution with the

286
00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,160
Speaker 1: guy he I mean, it's one thing if you're talking

287
00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,440
Speaker 1: about a short term injury where he built up all

288
00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,640
Speaker 1: the strength and conditioning through training camp and to start

289
00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,720
Speaker 1: of the season. This guy has not had a football

290
00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,760
Speaker 1: practice since whatever. His last game at Tennessee was, So yeah,

291
00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,120
Speaker 1: they'd love to have him. We know pass rush has

292
00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,200
Speaker 1: been a bit of a concern this season, and he's

293
00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,880
Speaker 1: a guy you hope can make a big difference there.

294
00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,000
Speaker 1: But you can't rush a guy back and risk losing

295
00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,600
Speaker 1: him long term again. So I you know, Pete Carroll

296
00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,600
Speaker 1: has kind of been called obsciously optimistic every time he

297
00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,720
Speaker 1: talks about him that he's improving, he's running, and they're

298
00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,120
Speaker 1: they're encouraged with what they've seen so far. But I

299
00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,080
Speaker 1: just don't see them rushing him back. You'd rather maybe

300
00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,400
Speaker 1: get him down the stretch late in the year versus

301
00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,840
Speaker 1: bring him back too soon and lose him again. John

302
00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,200
Speaker 1: speaking of the pass rush, Ken Norton Junior was asked

303
00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,360
Speaker 1: the other day about tight end rookie tight end wide

304
00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,520
Speaker 1: receiver Stefan Sullivan kind of taking up, you know, double

305
00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,040
Speaker 1: duty as a pass rusher. Also, what did he have

306
00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,840
Speaker 1: to say about that? I mean, is this just kind

307
00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,680
Speaker 1: of an experiment or is this something they're seriously looking

308
00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,960
Speaker 1: at moving forward? Yeah, I mean, you know, I think

309
00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,880
Speaker 1: it's an experiment and you see how it goes and

310
00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,320
Speaker 1: then maybe you move more seriously forward with it. But

311
00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,960
Speaker 1: you got a guy in your practice squad, so there's

312
00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to worry about him being

313
00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,560
Speaker 1: game ready at one position or another, and you might

314
00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,160
Speaker 1: as well look at it. I mean, he's a guy,

315
00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,120
Speaker 1: he's got great speed and length for that position, and

316
00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,640
Speaker 1: you've got a ton of depth at tight end right now,

317
00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,000
Speaker 1: You're you're bringing Kolbe Parkinson back. You've got a bunch

318
00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,680
Speaker 1: of guys that you know that's not really a position

319
00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,240
Speaker 1: where you look at you're like, oh, you could need

320
00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,600
Speaker 1: solive in any day now to step in new games.

321
00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,120
Speaker 1: So if he's willing and they see traits they like,

322
00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,800
Speaker 1: I saw a story from his ls YOU days that

323
00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,240
Speaker 1: they considered making that move coach order and considered making

324
00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,760
Speaker 1: that move with him at ellis You early in his

325
00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,720
Speaker 1: career there. So other people have seen this out of him.

326
00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,800
Speaker 1: We know Pete Carroll and Coacho are a good friend,

327
00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,160
Speaker 1: so who knows, maybe even put a bug in his

328
00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,520
Speaker 1: ear about that, but why not try it. If it works, great,

329
00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,200
Speaker 1: you might have uncovered something, and if not, you still

330
00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,560
Speaker 1: know he can be a valuable ascid as a pass catcher.

331
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,080
Speaker 1: All right, John, I saw the last time I saw

332
00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,920
Speaker 1: Snacks Harrison anyway, he was sitting in a suite in

333
00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,280
Speaker 1: playing clothes. What's what's the update on him and what

334
00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,720
Speaker 1: are they thinking about him? Yeah, you know, obviously he'd

335
00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,280
Speaker 1: love to get him back when you can. He didn't

336
00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,880
Speaker 1: get to do a lot last week as a lighter

337
00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,520
Speaker 1: week of practice heading into that last game before the bye.

338
00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,280
Speaker 1: This is going to be a much more you know,

339
00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,320
Speaker 1: high speed, tempo, physical week. They're gonna put pads on

340
00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,320
Speaker 1: at least one day this week, Pete Carroll said, So,

341
00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, again it's one of those you got to

342
00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,760
Speaker 1: see how he gets through the week. This is a obviously,

343
00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,040
Speaker 1: he's a big guy and he hasn't played football since

344
00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,919
Speaker 1: last winter, so you want to make sure that you

345
00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,879
Speaker 1: don't throw him out there and pull a muscle or

346
00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,119
Speaker 1: something in his first game back. So they'd love to

347
00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,680
Speaker 1: have him. Arizona's got a great rushing him and to

348
00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,800
Speaker 1: have him in the middle of the line for twenty

349
00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,159
Speaker 1: snaps or whatever, that'd be helpful. But as we've been

350
00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,320
Speaker 1: saying that everybody else, you don't rush it if he's

351
00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,280
Speaker 1: not ready. So I think they really need to see

352
00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,239
Speaker 1: a full week to him looking good and see how

353
00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,639
Speaker 1: he comes along. John. Obviously, there's not going to be

354
00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,040
Speaker 1: a rush with Michael Kendricks if they don't feel like

355
00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,400
Speaker 1: he's ready to go coming back from his ACL injury.

356
00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,840
Speaker 1: But it is an interesting signing in the sense that

357
00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:44,600
Speaker 1: you wonder where he gets placed in the in the

358
00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,120
Speaker 1: rotation here in terms of will linebacker versus strong side linebacker.

359
00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,040
Speaker 1: And the only reason why it's a question is because

360
00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,880
Speaker 1: how well kJ has played in that strong side linebacker role. Yeah,

361
00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,800
Speaker 1: it's funny. I was just thinking about this earlier of

362
00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,600
Speaker 1: last year. You know, they wanted to go all three

363
00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,320
Speaker 1: of those guys on the field last year, and it

364
00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,439
Speaker 1: was Kendricks who switched from his natural position and they

365
00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,159
Speaker 1: kept kJ a week side. But you know, again, as

366
00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,480
Speaker 1: you said, it's gonna be a while. I think they

367
00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,439
Speaker 1: want to eat him along coming off that injury. But

368
00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,840
Speaker 1: let's say he's playing for you down the road, then yeah,

369
00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,040
Speaker 1: you switch it up from what you did last year.

370
00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,840
Speaker 1: Because kJ Wrights played so well on that strong side role.

371
00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,320
Speaker 1: They you know, I really like the way they've taken

372
00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,399
Speaker 1: advantage of this new practice squad rule. If you can

373
00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,280
Speaker 1: bring guy in even if he's not quite ready and

374
00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,760
Speaker 1: ease him along. And you know they're doing with Harrison,

375
00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,600
Speaker 1: they did it with Damarius Randall, and now you can

376
00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,920
Speaker 1: do with Kendricks. Where in years past, if you wanted

377
00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,400
Speaker 1: the guy in the building, you're gonna have to find

378
00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,840
Speaker 1: room for him on your fifty three. But teams are

379
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,240
Speaker 1: allowed more veterans. You can ease a guy along, see

380
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,680
Speaker 1: you always doing, and then when the time comes, you

381
00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,720
Speaker 1: bring them up. So it's just a it's just a chance.

382
00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they know how they'll use them again.

383
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a chance to add another really talented

384
00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,520
Speaker 1: guy who gives versatility, knows your defense, and if and

385
00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,560
Speaker 1: when you need him, it's be a nice addition to make.

386
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,960
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett's numbers have been down just a little bit

387
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,240
Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks. Maybe that's just a question

388
00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,199
Speaker 1: of you know, the over the course of a season,

389
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,400
Speaker 1: you don't you don't have a big game every game,

390
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,159
Speaker 1: and maybe he's drawing attention away from a guy like

391
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,400
Speaker 1: Metcalf or do you think there's something else at worked there? Yeah,

392
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,919
Speaker 1: I don't think it's anything concerning. It's just you know,

393
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 1: when you have two really good receivers, Teams might focus

394
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,879
Speaker 1: on one or the other and there's more opportunity for

395
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,840
Speaker 1: the other guy. You know, I haven't gone back and

396
00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,159
Speaker 1: studied it two in detail, but I do know Minnesota

397
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,040
Speaker 1: over the last couple of games against the Seahawks has

398
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,119
Speaker 1: done a pretty good job with Tyr Lockett. They've kind

399
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 1: of made it a priority to take him away, and

400
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,920
Speaker 1: we saw a dk Metcalf have another big game, So

401
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure they'd love to get Tyler more involved,

402
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 1: and he'd love to be more involved. But ultimately, if

403
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,280
Speaker 1: if the team's taken one of your weapons away to

404
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 1: various degree and you're making big plays with other guys,

405
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 1: you live with that. If it's if you're winning games.

406
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,199
Speaker 1: He is John Boyle. He'll join us every Thursday for

407
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:55,920
Speaker 1: the Huddle. You can also read all of his work

408
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,640
Speaker 1: on Seahawks dot Com. Thanks so much, John, of course,

409
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 1: thanks have me all right. Wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins was

410
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,439
Speaker 1: listed on the cards injury report. Is he in danger

411
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 1: of missing this Sunday's game. We'll take an opponent preview

412
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 1: with Josh Josh Winefuss. Next. This is the Huddle every

413
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 1: Thursday from noon to two on seven ten ESPN Seattle.

414
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 1: Joining us right now for an opponent preview on the

415
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 1: Huddle is Josh Winefuss, who covers the Cardinals for ESPN. Josh,

416
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 1: We've just got news from the NFL that the Seahawks

417
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 1: Cards game will be flexed to Sunday Night Football. All

418
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 1: eyes now on this NFC matchup. It's the first one

419
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 1: for Seattle. Where are the Cards right now? Healthwise? They

420
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,119
Speaker 1: are mostly healthy. You know, I think that that DeAndre

421
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 1: Hopkins showed up on the injury report yesterday even though

422
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 1: they didn't have a full m a full practice. They

423
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: just did the scrimmage or they had to walk through.

424
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 1: But um, you know, he's been on the injury report

425
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 1: before and has played. So I'm not too concerned about

426
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,400
Speaker 1: Drey Hopkins ankle. But it seems for the most part

427
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 1: that they're that they're doing pretty healthy. A couple of

428
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 1: the guys that show up in the injury report yesterday

429
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips he has a foot injury. One other guy

430
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 1: who showed up. But so yeah, oh bro, I'm not

431
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 1: too concerned about about where this team is right now

432
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: health wise, But locking changed in a few days. Josh,

433
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 1: let me ask you about Isaiah Simmons, and it's kind

434
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 1: of funny because kind of in the same boat here

435
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: with the Seahawks, Jordan Brooks the first rounder and Isaiah

436
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 1: Simmon just a fantastically gifted guy. And then you know,

437
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 1: you've got this Patrick queen Kidden who's out in Baltimore

438
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: and he's just tearing it up, and it's kind of

439
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: a similar thing for Jordan Brooks. I see Isaiah, you know,

440
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: he has eleven tackles and a past broken up, but

441
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 1: he's kind of maybe going at a little bit slower pace.

442
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: Everybody goes at a different pace. But I'm just curious

443
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: if is there pressure on him being such a high

444
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 1: draft choice, how do they feel about his development? The

445
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: pressure is coming from outside. I think a lot of people,

446
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 1: especially fans, are questioning why he's not playing um And

447
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, Steve kind the Cardinals GM has had a

448
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: checkered history with first round pick. So now everyone's looking

449
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: at this as is Isaiah tim is going to be

450
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: another bust Um. But internally they're they're they're they're okay

451
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: with where he's at, the bringing him on slowly. I

452
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: think obviously he showed Week one when where he monstered

453
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: crossed him over essentially went for I think at seventy

454
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: six yard touchdown run with the Niners. That the kid

455
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: still has a lot to learn. So they um, they're

456
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: they're they're letting him adjust to this game little by little,

457
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,959
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's it's a massive jump going from college,

458
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: even high level of college to the NFL, especially at

459
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: the speed of the game. And granted, yeah, I mean

460
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: he was a very very talented college player. He paid

461
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, five positions regularly, but just that learning curve,

462
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 1: that that jump an adjustment and going and playing at

463
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: the NFL level, it takes some time for some guys,

464
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 1: and he's just he's just one of those players. Now,

465
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: if we're at this point next year and we're talking

466
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 1: about him not playing and then this is an entirely

467
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 1: different conversation. But six teams into his NFL career. The

468
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: one thing I haven't mentioned is he did have a

469
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: preseason that's husure rookie. You know, like those four games

470
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: are critical to rookies learning the speed of the game,

471
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: getting their eyes adjusted to how the games played. So

472
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: really he's you know, I look at it, this is

473
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: his third week, right, he said he's going into week

474
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: three of his NFL season because those first four games

475
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,959
Speaker 1: were technically, you know, his preseason trying to figure this

476
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: all out. So I don't think we're we should hit

477
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: the panic button just yet. M van Shosa the deep

478
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: Cardinals deep and the coordinator said the expectation of that

479
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: that Isaiah's going to play a little bit more against Seattle.

480
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I'm not. I'm not talking up to

481
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: him being a bust just yet. I think it's a

482
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: matter of learning how to play at this level. Josh,

483
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: you talk about year to year improvement with Isaiah Simmons,

484
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: but one thing has been clear is is that Vance

485
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: Joseph defensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals, he's really turned

486
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: this thing around for this group defensively, and talk about

487
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: how he's been able to do that with such a

488
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: complicated defensive scheme. It's really impressive what they've been able

489
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: to do. And I think it's just, you know, you

490
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: couldn't hit on the head year to year improvement, right

491
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: this is their second year in it. Guys had a

492
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: whole offseason to dive into the playbook, to watch film.

493
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: They had more time to study obviously because of the pandemic.

494
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: But that's also kind of what makes an impressive because

495
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: they weren't on the field for ots or mini camp,

496
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 1: you know, So the fact that they're playing at this

497
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: level and a second year of a scheme without an

498
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: off season on the field, I think also said something.

499
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: But they also improved the personnel that this defensive front

500
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: was not very good last year. You know, they lost

501
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: two key defensive tackles of the training camp twenty nineteen

502
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: and never replace them. So when you don't get that

503
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: type of push up front, there's the pass rushes going

504
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: to suffer as a result. This off season they went

505
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: and basically rebuilt that whole entire front seven. Obviously Chandler

506
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: Jones until recently he was obviously an elite pass rusher,

507
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: but they went out and signed guys like Devon Knard,

508
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: Jordan's Phillips, they drafted Simmons, they moved to Son Reddick

509
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: back to his natural position of outside linebacker. So just

510
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: a combination of all of that, all that extra time

511
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: in the system, a new personnel, it's just it's just

512
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: everything seems to be clicking right now. Josh. What's their

513
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: expectation for success this year? Right now is opposed to

514
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season. Do you think it's

515
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: changed at all based on their record? Yeah, I think

516
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: right now they're looking I think except right now would

517
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: be a playoff berth and with the seven playoff teams now,

518
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: I think that that's definitely a possibility. I think when

519
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: you look back at the at the end of twenty

520
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: and twenty when when we start doing our retrospect, but

521
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna look at the cardinal losses to the Panthers

522
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: and to the Lions and say that could have been

523
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: the difference between a division championship and and playing the

524
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: the wild card weekend or not are missing the playoffs possibly?

525
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: You know, those are two games that they should have won.

526
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: They should be six now. There should be a battle

527
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: of undefeated right now, but it's not. So here we

528
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: are four and two against what's the five and six note,

529
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: So we're looking at we're looking at a team that

530
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: right now still has a chance to make the playoffs,

531
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: but they need to start winning games that they're not

532
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: expected to win and keep winning the games that they

533
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: are expected to win. Josh, just looking at the numbers

534
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: of Arizona's passing offense, I need you to help me

535
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: make sense of it. So Arizona passing offense tied for

536
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: eighteenth overall, but DeAndre Hopkins leading all receivers in receiving yards.

537
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: I mean, what are the strengths and what's the weakness

538
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: of that part of their game right now? Well, the

539
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: strength of DeAndre Hoppings. The weakness is kind of just

540
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: the flip side of the defense not having that time

541
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: to gel, right. They when you add in a piece

542
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: like DeAndre Hoppings, he changes the entire complexion of your

543
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: passing game. And it's not just between the relationship between

544
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: him and Kyler Murray. It's how defensives now play Learcy Fitzgerald,

545
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: how they now play Christian Kirk, how they're playing you know,

546
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: the tight ends, and Kenyan Drake the running back when

547
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: he lines up as a receiver. So there's more to

548
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: it than obviously there than just a one player, and

549
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: then how he fits in individually. It's the entire scheme

550
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: is essentially changed because of how talented and dynamics DeAndre

551
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: Hopkins is. And they're still trying to figure that out, right,

552
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: They're still trying to figure out what happens when the

553
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: safety keeps rolling over to Hopkins, how open are the

554
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: other guys and that happens regularly now, So this is

555
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: I think this is one of the most interesting aspects

556
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: of the Cardinal season to will keep an eye off

557
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: because eventually it's going to click. And we know how

558
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: potent this offense can be when it gets going, because

559
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: they're so up tempo and defenses cannot keep up with

560
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: it on a regular basis. It doesn't matter when it's

561
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: going to get there, and whenever that happens, this is

562
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: going to be a crazy season for them from an

563
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: explosively offensive standpoint. But it's it's a matter of time

564
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: until he gets there. He is ESPN's Josh wein fust. Josh,

565
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. Yeah, thanks for having me.

566
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: All right, guys, we're gonna make talking about the offensive

567
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: line fun. They've had a pretty solid season for Seattle.

568
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: It's been really impressive. We're gonna go in the trenches

569
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: with Ray Roberts to look at both sides of the

570
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage for Seattle. That's next on the huddle.

571
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: This is the huddle every Thursday from noon to two

572
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: on seven ten ESPN. Seattle, Welcome back into the huddle.

573
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: With Dave Wyman, Tom Wasastle, Jake Keeps, and Stacy Ross.

574
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna get Ray Roberts here to talk to us

575
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: about the growth on the Seahawks offensive line. They've taken

576
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: a big step forward this year, Dave, when you watch

577
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: them play, Here's what I've been noticing. When you look

578
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 1: at just the stats for this offensive line. I'm actually

579
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: gonna go to Ray first for this one. Ray, when

580
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: you look at the stats on this offensive line, this

581
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: is me asking as someone who shocker has not played

582
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: offensive line before. It looks like, you know, on paper,

583
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: the run blocking way so much better than it was

584
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: last year. Pass protection still iffy, but it feels like

585
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: it's so much better. When I actually sit and watch it,

586
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: I notice so much time in the pocket for Russell Wilson.

587
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: What are you seeing as far as pass protection goes,

588
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: specifically for this offensive line? Yeah, I think sometimes you know,

589
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm a firm believer that you know,

590
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: the numbers and things like that can only tell you

591
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: part of the story. It doesn't tell the whole story.

592
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: And so I'm like you, I like matching the data

593
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: with what I'm saying, But what I see is a

594
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: more consistent offensive line when it comes to pass block,

595
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: and there are moments in the game where or it

596
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be as steady, but then there's longer

597
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: periods of time where the past protection is really good,

598
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: where you see Russell Wilson standing in the pocket with

599
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: a lot of time to go through all of his reads,

600
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: decide if he wants to run and throw it without

601
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: any pressure. And so I think you know that visual

602
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: piece of it where you see like these these long

603
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: stretches or series of plays where there's a lot of time,

604
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: I think Russell getting the ball out a lot faster

605
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: Denny Denny has in the past. I think that all

606
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: contributes to what we see where it feels like the

607
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: past protections is a lot better than last year. And

608
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: I genuinely feel like it is because I think there's

609
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: more consistent players up front, especially on the right side

610
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: of the ball with davidan Lewis and with Shell over there.

611
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: They just seem to be a little bit more consistent

612
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: on that side than they were last year. How good

613
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: can this run game be? Do you think one hundred

614
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: and fifteen yards they're number seventeen. You know you're playing

615
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: against the team Arizona one hundred and sixty one. You

616
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: heards a game which the Seahawks were a couple of

617
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: years ago, I think when they were number one over

618
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty. But how good can they be?

619
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Are we going to see them commit to that? Or

620
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: do they need to? I don't you know, you know me, Dave,

621
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: if it was up to me, it would be and

622
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: I hate I'm not gonna say let Russ do that

623
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: other thing, but I would say that lets the offensive

624
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: line eat. Uh So that's the That's the way I

625
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: always look at things. But I was a little skeptical

626
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: of the you know, been a little bit more aggressive,

627
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, with Russells throwing the ball this year. I

628
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: felt like the way the team has always been constructed

629
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: and has success was really relying on the running game.

630
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: But all I've been proven wrong about that they can

631
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: they can survive and win games and being tight close

632
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: games throwing the ball, and I don't think that we've seen,

633
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: uh all that the running game can be yet. They

634
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: haven't really committed to the run in the way that

635
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: we can really see what this what the run game

636
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: can be. If you take out of take out of

637
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: Russell's runs, which I know that you know Jake likes

638
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: to do because he doesn't like counting the quarterback runs

639
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: as Russian tempts. Uh, if you take those out only

640
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: only when I'm taking a bet with Jim Moore, they're

641
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: ray only when it counts against me. I thought i'd

642
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: catch you on that. But Uh, But if I think,

643
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: if you seriously just take out the unscripted runs that

644
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: Russell have and you just look at what Carson and

645
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: Hide and Homer and those guys have been able to do,

646
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: I still think that you just you don't know yet,

647
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: You don't know how good it can be or or

648
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: if it's just kind of middle of the road. I

649
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: think with Chris Carson been healthy, with the way the

650
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: offensive one it's been more consistent and and and better

651
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: with their techniques and the running game, that it can

652
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: be better than we've seen in the last couple of years.

653
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: And if you attach that to the to this passing game,

654
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: then the offense is even more explosive the way I'd

655
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: like to see them use the running game. And I've

656
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: said this for the last couple of weeks, it's just

657
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: kind of marrying it to the passing game a little more.

658
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: It always it feels like they get into a rhythm

659
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 1: of throwing the ball, then they go like, oh, that's right,

660
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: we need to run the ball a little bit, versus

661
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: it been a like a full, you know, four course

662
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: meal where all everything feels connected. And then I also

663
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: think that they can maybe help themselves a little bit

664
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: taking some of the air out of the ball by

665
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: running the ball a little bit. So you look at

666
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: Arizona and they're coming in pretty explosive. They just had

667
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: an explosive game last week. They have a you know,

668
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: like the Russell you know, two point zero if you

669
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: want to call it that. I'm not saying he's better

670
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: than Russell, but I'm just saying he's another version of

671
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: Russell that can he can be explosive and throw the

672
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: ball down the field, run the ball. I think he

673
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: had send me four yards rushing uh last week and

674
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: uh Murray, I think the way you played good defense

675
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: against him is keeping the ball. So I think you're

676
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: gonna have to run the ball to do that. And

677
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: so but you know, Ben Ben the run, you know,

678
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: run the ball advocate that I am. I'm I'm been

679
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: won over by this ability of Russell Wilson that's controlled

680
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: the game, throwing the ball. Ray. I'm curious to get

681
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: your perspective on this in terms of the Seahawk they

682
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: signed Damon snacks Harrison and what does somebody like him

683
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: bring to the table. What is his value? What is

684
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: his worth? Especially after you watched this run defense for

685
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: the Seahawks really struggle against a strong running attack in

686
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. From an offensive line perspective, what is

687
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: somebody like Damon snacks Harrison what can he bring to

688
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: help bolster this group? Yeah? Well, first of all, I'll

689
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: just say this because I just love seeing good offensive

690
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: line play. Uh. The the the Vikings run blocking was

691
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: on a whole different level. They were really good, uh

692
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: with their run block and finishing blocks, getting into blogs,

693
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: staying connected to their to their to the defensive lineman,

694
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: and really getting pushed. Even when it looks like you

695
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: had the running back stop for a couple of yard game,

696
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: just to push from the offensive line picked up another

697
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: three or four yards, so two yard game turned into

698
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: like a four or five yard game. So they did

699
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: a really good job at at their blocks to get

700
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: into the second level finishing blocks. Now, the thing that

701
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: snack Harrison can bring to the table is first of all,

702
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: you just have another veteran player has kind of been

703
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: there and done that, So there's not he's not gonna

704
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: be surprised by anything. There's nothing you know, really new

705
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: that someone's gonna bring to the table that he hasn't

706
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: seen before. Uh. The other thing he'll do, though, is

707
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: he'll just eat up blockers. To dude, is gigantic and

708
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: uh and so and and he's and he can, uh

709
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: just eat up a couple of blockers, give those and

710
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: Davils know this, Like, if you have a defense linement

711
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: in front of you that can eat up a double

712
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: team and you get room to room, then you're gonna

713
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: have You're gonna have to be a much more impactful

714
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: run stopper as a linebacker. So for a guy like uh,

715
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: like Bobby Wagner, you know, he has to be looking

716
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: at shops and excited to see that. You know, here's

717
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: a guy who can eat up a double team, keep

718
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: that guard a tackle or center from getting to the

719
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: second level to get in front of him, or make

720
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: it hard for him to do that so that he

721
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: can break down the play, pursue the ball, get to

722
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, get to the ball without having uh too

723
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: much of an offensive line to get through. So as

724
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: an offensive line, then you have to really you have

725
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: to really pay attention to him. You have to really

726
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: work on those double teams. You gotta really work on

727
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: finishing blocks. If you if you're manned up against him,

728
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: you know, good luck. That's all I gotta say. It's

729
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be a dog fight. But I

730
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing he can bring to the team

731
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: is just eating just been a space eater. He may not,

732
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: He's like Dave says all the time that sometimes you

733
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: can't judge the defensive lines played by what their stats are,

734
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: because they impact the game in other ways. And I

735
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: think he is the epitome of that. And I think

736
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: if he's playing the way you expect him to play,

737
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: I think you'll see better play out of Bobby Wagner Ray.

738
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: One trade proposal I saw out there was forum or

739
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: involved Falcon Center Alex Mack to try to maybe bolster

740
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: or upgrade the center position here even though I think

741
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: Postics actually played. Okay, can you just talk about the

742
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: difference between upgrading and a position and maybe disrupting the

743
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: familiarity between the center and the quarterback and like and

744
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: what results that might yield. Well, you know, I think

745
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: Jake could probably speak to that that thinner quarterback relationship

746
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: a little bit better than I can, but I can.

747
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: I already asked him. I didn't like the answer he

748
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: gave you. That's right. But the thing that I think

749
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: you have to be careful of is that this offensive

750
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: line seems to be uh getting getting into a really

751
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: good rhythm together with the what the five you have

752
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: out there. So if you're thinking to upgrade in the

753
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: sense of we're gonna bring someone in and hopes that

754
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: they're going to take over for posting, then I think

755
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: you risked the chance of messing up the chemistry among

756
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: the offensive line and that unity that you're you're starting

757
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: to create. Uh, Of all the positions on the on

758
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: the field, Uh, there is no no group that needs

759
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: that type of chemistry more than the offensive line because

760
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: you have to do so many things together. You have

761
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: to be five dudes operating as one. And the example

762
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: I can give is my fourth year in Seattle. I

763
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: was coming off of an ankle injury, so I missed

764
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: like the first six or seven games because I had

765
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: to have surgery. I actually had the same injury that

766
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott had, and so I was coming off of

767
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: that injury. And the dude for placing me, James Atkins

768
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: was a undrafted defensive lineman that they converted to offensive line,

769
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: and he was planning pretty good. The offensive line was

770
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: kind of doing played him pretty good. But I was

771
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: ready to go. After about six or seven games, I

772
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: was healthy. I was ready to go. But the chemistry

773
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: was so good and they were planning so well. It

774
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: just did It was hard for me to get on

775
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: the field because they didn't want to disrupt the chemistry.

776
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: For me. It was frustrating, but I understood from a

777
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: coaching perspective and from a team perspective, you know what

778
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: they were trying to do because things were going well,

779
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: and so the thing I wouldn't want to see is

780
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: for them to try to, in a sense, upgrade by

781
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: tinkering with things and then mess up the chemistry of stuff.

782
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: When I've seen posted play, I think he's obviously playing

783
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: better than he's ever played. You haven't heard his name

784
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: a lot, you haven't seen a whole lot of pressure

785
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: up the middle, So that's a good thing. For him.

786
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: I think he orchestrates the offensive line really well. I

787
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: like his size and the athleticism in the middle there.

788
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: So if anything, if they're upgrading as a sense of,

789
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: you know, having more backups and things for injuries, maybe

790
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: there's something with saying that they don't like or they

791
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: don't like who they have in the room is backups

792
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: to the center, and post It gets hurt because of

793
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: his history, then I get that. But if they're trying

794
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: to just bring in someone to say, hey, we need

795
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: someone better than post It, but the offensive line is

796
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: playing well, that's a little bit shaky to me because

797
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: the offensive line is doing so well. All right, he

798
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: is Ray Roberts, former offensive lineman himself, here to teach

799
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: us about what goes on in the trenches every single

800
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: Thursday for the huddle. You can go follow him at

801
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: Big Ray Roberts and of course hear him on every

802
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: game day for the Seahawks pre and postgame show. Ray,

803
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: think so much for joining us. Oh thanks for having

804
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: me and go home, bye. Ray. Thanks right, all right,

805
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: if you guys missed it, the Seahawks Cardinals game has

806
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: been flexed to Sunday night football. So what makes the

807
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: Seahawks so special in primetime. I can guarantee you there's

808
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: a lot of fans pretty happy to hear that that

809
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: game is now going to be played Sunday night. We'll

810
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: ask Steve Rabel next on the Huddle. This is every

811
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: Thursday from noon to two. Welcome back into the Huddle

812
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: with Tom Wasssele Dave Wyman, Jake Keats, and Stacy Ross.

813
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: We're joined now by the voice of the Seahawks, Steve Rabel. Steve,

814
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: I have a question for you that's difficult to answer,

815
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: but it's kind of a fun one to talk about.

816
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: As you know, the Seahawks Cards game has been pushed

817
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: flex into Sunday night football. What makes the Seahawks so

818
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: special in primetime? I don't know, Stacy. I mean, I've

819
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: talked about this before, and I think one of the

820
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: things is because being the only game in town in

821
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: the evening. We used to think about it that way

822
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: when we played on Monday nights. Now it seems like

823
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: almost every night of the week there's a quote special game.

824
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: But because you know everybody else in the league is

825
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: watching you, That's one of the reasons that Pete Carroll

826
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: has gone out of his way to say, this is

827
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: just another game. It's no more, no less. It's equal

828
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: to every other game we play. It's a championship opportunity.

829
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: And I don't think that the Seahawks look any different

830
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: at a Sunday night game than they do the rest

831
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: of the games, or whether it's a ten am start

832
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: back East or what they're just now. They all understand

833
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: the importance of every single game and every play inside

834
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: that game. Yeah, it's a weird one, Raves, And I

835
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: guess that's why I kind of categorize it as like

836
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: a fun fact, because I mean, what could it possibly be.

837
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: It's like going into the bye or coming out of

838
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: the bye. I think it just generally indicates that they

839
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: win a lot around here when Pete Carroll's the head coach.

840
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: But but it's kind of funny that you treat it

841
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: like a normal thing. Did you ever get like two

842
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: excited for a game where you needed to loosen up

843
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: a little bit as a players ago? Yeah, and that

844
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: and those were the ones that generally right before kickoff,

845
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: I'd have a couple of shots Jack that would relax.

846
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: Oh you're talking about your game day experience now, is

847
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: what you're describing no um and you know, you know

848
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: this day is just the sitting around waiting. Yes, I

849
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: know we feel that when we're broadcasting a game, and

850
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: it's especially back East if it's an eight o'clock start

851
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: at eight ten, uh, you know, Monday nights start or

852
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: Sunday nights start back East, you're sitting all day. You've

853
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: got a lot of time to think if you're a player,

854
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: and especially these days with COVID and nobody leaves the hotel,

855
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: nobody leaves the hotel room. I mean that that's that

856
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: part's kind of tough, just because you're you know, you're

857
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: kind of that caged animal. You're bouncing around. You want

858
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: to get out there and play, get with it. So

859
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: I think that part it makes it a little more

860
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: difficult than a normal routine get up on Sunday morning.

861
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: You know, you know what you got to do, you have,

862
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: your body is kind of set for that time. And

863
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: now you throw in a Sunday night or a Monday night,

864
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: and that makes it a little a little more interesting,

865
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: and I think gives especially the young guys, it's a

866
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: little more difficult for them because they probably still do

867
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: get pretty nervous. Steve as you're heading into this week,

868
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: you're looking at the Arizona Cardinals. I got to ask you,

869
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: you're watching this group offense, defense, getting prepared for the broadcasts,

870
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: are what are the big keys to the game here? Well,

871
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: obviously everybody talks about Kyler Murray and and well they should.

872
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a terrific athlete and he just makes

873
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: a lot of things happen. He may not be a

874
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson when it comes to throwing the ball, but

875
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean he's a pinball machine out there with the

876
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: way he can move. He is so quick and so fast,

877
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: and he'll be in the secondary in a heartbeat. So

878
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: you gotta you know that's your first Your number one

879
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: thing is keep your eye on him. And of course

880
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake he's the same way. I mean, he killed

881
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: us last year here in Seattle. He had one hundred

882
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: and sixty six yards rushing. One of them was an

883
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: eighty yard touchdown run and he just literally ran away

884
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: from the defense. So they got guys who were game

885
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: breakers all over the place. Hopkins is another one, But

886
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: I don't think they get enough credit for their defense.

887
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: And we saw that defense on display the other night Monday, night,

888
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: they can play. Buddha Baker helps lead that group. They

889
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: are good against the run. They keep teams from scoring

890
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: a lot of points, and that's what of course the Seahawks,

891
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: that's how they've won these games. They haven't won them

892
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: on defense, They've won them by scoring a lot of points.

893
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: And that's playing right into the wheelhouse of the Cardinals.

894
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of things about this Cardinal team.

895
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: And maybe the other thing is they're unpredictable. They'll play

896
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: up to their opponent one week, and they'll play down

897
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: to it the next and get beat in a game

898
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't have thought they'd lost. So I think

899
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: that's maybe the biggest thing about them is they're still

900
00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: not terribly consistent. Steve, every team in this NFC West

901
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: presents its own unique challenge, Like it feels like every

902
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: team is pretty good, and then you look at a

903
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: division like the NFC East and all the teams there

904
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: are struggling. I'm just wondering, how much do you think

905
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: that the competition within each of these divisions determines how

906
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: good the teams are? Right? Pete always talks about competition

907
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: making us better. Do you think that the competition in

908
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: the NFC West has led to all four of these

909
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: teams being as good as they are. You know, Tom,

910
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I do think. I think that

911
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: because of teams like let's just use the Rams for instance,

912
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: because they were the ones under McVeigh the last couple

913
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: of years who really came on offensively and we're doing

914
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: some things that were just you know, I mean, not unfound,

915
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: but they had great athletes doing it. I continue to

916
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: talk about Robert Woods, even though he doesn't get enough

917
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: compliments around me. NFL teams know opposition knows what a

918
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: good receiver he is and how dynamite he is once

919
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 1: he gets the ball in his hands. And so what

920
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: you do, I think is you start, you start building

921
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: your team to make sure we can we can play

922
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: with these guys. You know, if somebody has if there

923
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: are three yards in a cloud of dust back in

924
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: the day, then you load up on the defensive front.

925
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: You make sure you can stop the run. You got

926
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: some big outside linebackers that can put some pressure on

927
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I'm thinking of the Giants right now, how

928
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: they were built and when they won Super Bowls under

929
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels. I think that what you do is you

930
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: build to your opposition in your division, and you know

931
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: the rest of the league then will eventually catch up.

932
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure the NFC East will at some point catch up.

933
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: But you know, those guys have drafted high for the

934
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: last few years now. All those teams in that division

935
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: virtually have gotten good first round draft choices, and at

936
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: some point they're going to turn the corner with all

937
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: those good athletes, unless, of course, they've just made lousy choices.

938
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: I guess we'll find that out too, But they'll be

939
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: competitive at some point, but they're just not there yet.

940
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: And right now, it's it's in the wheelhouse of the

941
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: NFC West. I think we're talking with Seahawks play by

942
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: play man Steve Rabel. Steve the Seahawks defense. Obviously, they're

943
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: achilles heel right now, specifically the passing defense, although the

944
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: run defense was tested last week against Minnesota. When you

945
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: look at the I don't want to say second half,

946
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: since we still have so much to play, but heading

947
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: out of the bye week, when you look at the

948
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: quote second half of this schedule, is there anything about

949
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: the defense that gives you hope they can take a

950
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: step forward? Well, I just I think They've got a

951
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of good football players on that defense.

952
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: And we know that the defense that Pete Carroll has

953
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: taught over the years and that Kenny Norton Junior has

954
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: been the coordinator of and coach linebackers in for the

955
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: last decade is a good one. We know that it works.

956
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: We know how Pete likes to structure his defense, we

957
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: know how he likes to play. He's playing a little

958
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: differently than he did last year. Remember last year we

959
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: stayed on the field with three linebackers the majority of

960
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 1: the time, in large measure because the third linebacker, either

961
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: kJ or Michael Kendricks last year was better than the

962
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: nickelback or dinback that the Seahawks would be putting in.

963
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: And it's in his place that has sort of flipped

964
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: a little bit. We've got some good guys now in

965
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: the secondary. We've got some depth back there, so we

966
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: can match up I think a little better in the secondary.

967
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, the run game and Dave talks about it

968
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: every week is as much a matter of want too

969
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: as it is anything. And it's a matter of doing

970
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: your job as being where you're supposed to be, and

971
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: if that means stepping up and filling the gap, if

972
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: that means scraping and going to this particular gap, if

973
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: it means holding the edge and turning everything back inside,

974
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: you got to do that. And when one guy doesn't

975
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: out of eleven with a guy like Drake or the

976
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: kid last week, Madison for the Vikings who came in,

977
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: you're off to the races and you just got a

978
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: guard against that. You can't take one playoff. You can't

979
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: decide I'm going to do my own thing this play

980
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: because I think I can get there, Because that's exactly

981
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: the time that you're going to get beat. He is

982
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: the voice of the Seahawks, Steve Rabel. You can hear

983
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: him every Thursday right here on the huddle and obviously

984
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: on the call for this now Sunday night game against

985
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Steve, thanks so much. All right, guys, thank you.

986
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: I say it every week, you guys, but sometimes it

987
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: feels weird calling Steve Steve and not Rabes. It's just

988
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: it throws me off every time I say it. I'm like,

989
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: who are you? Why don't you just call him Rapes

990
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: that I know I really mess that up. Hope, I

991
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: hope he doesn't think differently of me. Really, we'll try

992
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: again next Thursday. I'm disappointed in myself. All right, we're

993
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: stepping across enemy lines once again. This time we'll take

994
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: a listen to what Cliff Kingsbury had to say. That's

995
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: next on the Huddle. This is the Huddle every Thursday

996
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: from noon to two on seven ten ESPN Seattle. Welcome

997
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: back into the Huddle with Tom Wastle, Dave Whyman, Jake Keeps,

998
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: and Stacy Ross. We're gonna take a listen to Arizona

999
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: Cardinals head coach Cliff Kingbury. He had a conference call

1000
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: earlier today with Seattle media, answered questions about Buddha Baker,

1001
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, the loss of Chandler Jones, all kinds of stuff.

1002
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: So we're going to take you guys through some of

1003
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: the biggest notes, biggest bits of information from his press conference.

1004
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna get started right here with cut number five.

1005
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: He's talking about Kyler Murray's growth in year two. Definitely,

1006
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: it has a been understanding of our scheme where we're

1007
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: trying to accomplish. I think the number one thing I've

1008
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: seen is how he's reduced the negative plays. We took

1009
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: quite a few unnecessary sacs last year, just trying to

1010
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: do too much, trying to extend plays, which is part

1011
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: of his game. But you gotta know one when the

1012
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: parties that were on wint to throw it away and

1013
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 1: not take that negative plan on first and second down,

1014
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: and that's really helped us offensively. Two questions for you, Dave.

1015
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: Number one, do you think Cliff Kingsbury answered this phone

1016
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: call with reporters wearing loafers without socks? Number two? What

1017
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: have you personally seen from Kyler Murray in year two?

1018
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: Because I walked in this morning into the sports bit

1019
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: and you were watching some tape from Arizona Cardinals tape. Yeah.

1020
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: You know. By the way, do you remember in the

1021
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: draft of King Well in that place that he had,

1022
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: It was just so simple, stone, no furniture. I took

1023
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: that picture to my wife and I said, I want

1024
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: to live like this. What do you think, Well, we

1025
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: got three cats and a dog and lots of stuff,

1026
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: but um, yeah. The one thing he said at the

1027
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: end I think is interesting. Tom. You said, what do

1028
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: you say when the party? You got to know when

1029
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: the party? Yeah, I've not heard it put that way,

1030
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: but that that's a good way to put it. I

1031
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: think when you're blessed with that kind of skill, it's

1032
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: a real problem. And I think that, you know, he

1033
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: can kind of look up to Russell because to me,

1034
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: when Russ holds it too long or he gets sacked

1035
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: trying to spin out of something or whatever, that's just

1036
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: the cost of doing business. Because he is able to

1037
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 1: make those plays and once you know that you can.

1038
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: And I don't know about you guys, but Kyler Murray

1039
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: looks really fast. I mean, I think he's a lot

1040
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: faster than Russ ever was. But Russ be more elusive,

1041
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: I think because remember Rashim Green tracked him down in

1042
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: the open field last year down in Arizona. It was

1043
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: one of the more impressive things I've seen on a

1044
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: football field from a defensive lineman anyway. But I think,

1045
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: you know, it's going to be interesting to see how

1046
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: he is able to, you know, develop that way. You know,

1047
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: does he extend the play too far as he's taken

1048
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: unnecessary sacks and then I don't know. At one point

1049
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: I had him like three for thirteen in the Cowboy

1050
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: game when he when he first started off and he

1051
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: was missing really bad. I mean, there were some wide

1052
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: open receivers some bad throws there. So, but I'll tell

1053
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: you what I think, he's really surprised me. He's developed

1054
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: into a much much better quarterback and leader than I

1055
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: than I thought he would. And I fully agree with

1056
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: you on that. I you talk about the cost of

1057
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: doing business, and it's such a difficult thing because traditionally,

1058
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: for traditional quarterback play, you do need to know when

1059
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: the party's over. You do need to be able to

1060
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: get the ball out. And I think that when you

1061
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: look at the way that Kyler and Russell play business

1062
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: or play the position, it's unique, it's diverse, and as

1063
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: long as they're not scrambling and turning the ball over,

1064
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: it's more of a calculated risk, right that they're taking Dave,

1065
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: as you described there, if they get sacked, is it

1066
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: detrimental to the team and is it detrimental to the offense?

1067
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: Oftentimes with Russell the answer is no. Rarely have you

1068
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: seen him turned the ball over in those situations or

1069
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 1: get them out of field goal situations where they could

1070
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: be scoring points. So it is really much the cost

1071
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: of doing business. And I think with Kyler there are

1072
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: times where he has forced the issue where it has

1073
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: led to some turnovers and I think that that's the

1074
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: part that he has to improve in that area. But yes,

1075
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: very very similar game. Kyler Murray being a shorter quarterback

1076
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: has obviously been compared to Russell Wilson before. Here's Kingsbury

1077
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 1: and cut number six. Talking about those two players, Yeah,

1078
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: definitely two of the most talented athletes in the league.

1079
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: Watching Russell, the game is just slowed down for him

1080
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: so much. I don't know if I've ever seen a

1081
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: player who's able to survey the field, midplay, survey the rush,

1082
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: and we get his eyes back on the field and

1083
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: find people uncovering. I mean, it's phenomenal. His accuracy on

1084
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: the move from the pocket to touch it. I mean,

1085
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: he's playing it as high levels I've ever seen in

1086
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: the league. And you know, Kyler has some of those

1087
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: same traits being able to plays and make things happen.

1088
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: But you can just see that he's kind of mastered

1089
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: their system and his style of play at this point

1090
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: in his career. Yeah, clearly there are similarities in their

1091
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: skill sets. Kyler, naturally at a younger age, is going

1092
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: to have more speed. It's it's actually, as I'm hearing

1093
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: him talk there, it's making me think about whether or

1094
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: not Russell would have been more impressive early in his

1095
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: career had he played in a system like Cliff Kingsbury's.

1096
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Kyler Murray has naturally suited towards that. I

1097
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: think Russell probably could have done the same thing, though,

1098
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean the offense would have been or the team

1099
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: would have been more reliant on him, But that would

1100
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: have made the comparison that much more interesting because basically

1101
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: what Kingsbury is doing is letting Kyler cook like his system,

1102
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: and the drafting of Kyler Murray and letting him go

1103
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: and play in that system is letting Kyler cook. And

1104
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: we'll see what the results end up being. But so far,

1105
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it couldn't be working any better. Yeah, good point, Tom.

1106
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: You know we're gonna be talking about the challenges of

1107
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: facing Kyler Murray. Next, we have quotes from Bobby Wagner

1108
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: Quandrie Diggs. Both of them were asked about that yesterday.

1109
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 1: So I want to take a look at the Cardinals

1110
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball. They lost Chandler Jones.

1111
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: He's been replaced with us Son Reddick, who already has

1112
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: four sacks. A good performance from him, So far. Also

1113
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: you have Buddha Baker looking like a star in the secondary.

1114
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: He was named team captain now with the loss of

1115
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones kind of mid season, looking every bit the

1116
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: leader side. Note go dogs cutting number four right. Here's

1117
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: here's Kingsbury talking about his secondary star. He's a phenomenal talent.

1118
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: I mean it looks like there's three of them out

1119
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: there playing every week. Such a great leader, so physical.

1120
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: You mentioned he's sound a big contract and then comes

1121
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: back hungary and more motivated than ever, which is what

1122
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: you hope for as an organization. But can't sand nose

1123
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: two playlatives about type of person he is and the

1124
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: type of player and what he brings to our entire team.

1125
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: His style of players inspiring, you know to all three

1126
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: phases and everybody in this organization. Dave, when you're watching

1127
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball for Arizona, are your

1128
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: eyes on him most of the time. Yeah, He's a

1129
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: lot like Jamal Adams and that you know, He's just

1130
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: flies around the field and you see he makes plays everywhere.

1131
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 1: He's got a couple of sacks, he's got a forced fumble,

1132
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: he's got a couple of passes. Defense so yeah, he's

1133
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: very much like and I think safety position is really important.

1134
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: It's funny, you know, safeties were kind of undervalued for

1135
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: a while. I think we see how it is to

1136
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: the Seahawk defense that your safety plays. You know, you

1137
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: went from Cam and Earle for a while there too.

1138
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: You know, well, I won't name names, but anyway, um,

1139
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, now we've got Quandre Diggs and Jamal Adams

1140
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, well, I just you're very nice, Dave,

1141
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: very nice. Well I just always picture like what would

1142
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: people have said about me, and like, yeah, the linebackers

1143
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: were suffering back in the early nineties. So the man, yes, stop,

1144
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm not fishing for compliments, I promise you so. But

1145
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean he just flies around the field. Their defense really,

1146
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, improved. And you know, I asked about the

1147
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons kid from Josh Weinfuss, and he's right. I mean,

1148
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: everybody develops at a different rate, like that Patrick Queen kid,

1149
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: the linebacker that was drafted right after Jordan Brooks. He's

1150
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: just he has a touchdown and he's a player of

1151
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: the Week and all this stuff. But you know, it'll

1152
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 1: take a while for him. It looks like but once

1153
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: he gets going, this is going to be a really

1154
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: good defense, you know. And they're they're pretty aggressive. They

1155
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: some big tackles that are you know, Jordan Phillips, I

1156
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: know he's on the injury list, but Angelo blockson. Those

1157
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: kids really active, big tough guys. So they're playing a

1158
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: lot better on defense too. What do they number? I

1159
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: think they're number four defensively as far as you know,

1160
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: as as far as points go, there number two. Yeah,

1161
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: eighteen point seven points a game. So it's makes them

1162
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: really dangerous. And you know, we're just looking at the

1163
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: Rams the same thing. The Rams have like a top

1164
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: five defense. So now all of a sudden, you know,

1165
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: you look at how well maybe you get a breather

1166
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: when you play the forty nine ers. You would have

1167
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: never thought that last year. Never in Week one would

1168
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: you have thought, like, get ready for the Cardinals. Here

1169
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: we go. Open it up, NFC West play. All right,

1170
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna get back to talking about Kyler Murray. Bobby

1171
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,479
Speaker 1: Wagner has a very sixth sense of what he thinks

1172
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: is fun, you guys, because he said it'll be fun

1173
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: going up against Kyler Murray. That's not my definition of fun.

1174
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: But we'll take a listen to what Bobby had to

1175
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: say next on the Huddle. This is the Huddle every

1176
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: Thursday from noon to two one seven ten ESPN Seattle.

1177
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: Welcome back into the Huddle with Dave Wyman, Tom Wasassele,

1178
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: Jay Keeps, and Stacy Ross. Talking now about facing Kyler Murray.

1179
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: That'll be the biggest challenge against the Arizona Cardinal, Seattle's

1180
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: next opponent. As an important note for all of you

1181
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: guys if you're just tuning in, that game has been

1182
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: flexed from one oh five pm in Arizona to Sunday

1183
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: night football. Kyler Murray, you guys, sixty five point nine

1184
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: percent completion rate on the season, just over fourteen hundred yards,

1185
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: ten touchdowns to six interceptions. But he's also got fifty

1186
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: one carries for another three hundred and seventy yards. Still

1187
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: very much a dual threat. Bobby Wagner was talking about

1188
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: the challenges of facing him. He said that, you know,

1189
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: in the red zone, you can't forget that he's a

1190
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: weapon that can be used there. They have DeAndre Hopkins,

1191
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: they have Larry fitzerial, but you also got Kyler Murray

1192
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray's legs even then, though Bobby Wagner and

1193
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: cut number nine says it's gonna be fun, I would

1194
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: say he's fun to playing. I think he challenges I

1195
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: think the offense as a whole challenges your eyes, challenges

1196
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: your discipline because they got poolers going, you know, every

1197
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: which direction. But you throw him in the mixing. You know,

1198
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: watch him trying to run away from defenders. Is fun

1199
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: to watch him. Is gonna be fun to track down.

1200
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: It's not fun, Bobby, It's not fun. It's like maybe

1201
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: just nothing that an athlete would think is fun. I

1202
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: think I would think is fun. Running not fun? Working

1203
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: out not fun. Well, how about a guy juking you

1204
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: in the open field and making you look bad? Yeah,

1205
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: but although that would be my career, not Bobby's, so

1206
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it's gonna be very challenging. The

1207
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: way he's running the offense, it's so much better. I'll

1208
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: say this that so far. Just looking at you know,

1209
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: I looked at Detroit and especially Carolina. The one thing

1210
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: I thought Carolina did really well against Kyler Murray and

1211
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: this and this offense is they controlled the perimeter. Some

1212
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: of the plays going, you know, the fly sweeps and

1213
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: that stuff. That goes outside. They did a pretty good

1214
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: job with but you know, they're pretty creative. I remember

1215
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: last year they threw like a middle screen to a

1216
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: tight end. I see, you know what looks like like

1217
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: screens way down field, like ten yards down field with

1218
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: a run, a couple of receivers off and very creative.

1219
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: Kingsbury is him and last year I was calling him

1220
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: Zoolander and Hansel, who's the guy that stands next to him,

1221
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: was a receiver coach. Well, they both have like these

1222
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: black turtlenets, right, and they both got their Harris slipped back.

1223
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: Remember just being absolutely blown away by their receiver coach. Yeah,

1224
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: we had to do some digging on this. Yeah, and

1225
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: I sent pictures to everybody. Hey, Hansel, what place should

1226
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: we run? I don't know, Derek, what do you think?

1227
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: But they had all kinds of some good stuff going

1228
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: and I thought he handled it well as a as

1229
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: a rookie. So he looks even better. But just every

1230
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: once in a while where you see and I remember

1231
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: Russ getting charged up, like in Super Bowl forty eight.

1232
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: That's the one we won, right, is that right? Yeah,

1233
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: we don't even want to talk about the mind didn't

1234
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: happen in my mind forty eight, the good one, remember

1235
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: the first like three four passes rushed through In that one,

1236
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: he was a little charged up when over Zach Miller's head.

1237
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: I think he threw one in the dirt or something

1238
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: and then he settled in. But you see Kyler Murray

1239
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: do that every once in a while, like in the

1240
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: second quarter or the third quarter, where ball sails on

1241
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: him or something. But I have to say, you know,

1242
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: the rumor on him coming out, at least that I heard,

1243
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: was that he wasn't very much of a team guy

1244
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: and then he'd be better off playing baseball because you know,

1245
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't a great leader and kind of one of

1246
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: those guys. It was aloof to you know, his teammates

1247
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: and things like that. But he's been very surprising to me.

1248
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: And I didn't have anything against him, my man. I

1249
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: thought he was a good kid. He's not like he

1250
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: was Josh Rosen who said all kinds of stupid things.

1251
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't say anything that was that was wrong,

1252
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: but he just really surprised me that he's become such

1253
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: a great leader in this offense and how good he's gotten.

1254
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 1: It is one of those things that I think as

1255
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: you develop and as you into this plan. I mean,

1256
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: what we were, you know, talking about also last year

1257
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: was how fortunate Tyler Murray was to walk into a

1258
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: system that was geared and centered around him and centered

1259
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: around what he did in college. But there also is

1260
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: that learning curve at the NFL level, and there's that

1261
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: learning curve also, Dave and Tom and Stacy. For Cliff Kingsbury,

1262
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 1: if you remember the first half of the season last year,

1263
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: there there were you know, some unique dynamic plays, but

1264
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: he was very committed to running a full spread air

1265
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: raid system. He gets Kenyan Drake in a trade the

1266
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: second half of the year, and my goodness, they really

1267
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: turned things around by establishing that run game and and

1268
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: letting everything else come from that. And I think that

1269
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: that's why this offense has been able to be successful

1270
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: this year, and that's why you're starting to see some

1271
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 1: of this progression. But certainly, you know, Dave, I don't

1272
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: know what you've seen from watching film, but Kyler is

1273
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: going to give you opportunities as a defense. He's gonna

1274
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: get he's gonna make some throws and did some tight windows,

1275
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: and he's he's apt to make some mistakes, and I

1276
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: think that the Seahawks defense that, I mean, they've got

1277
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: to capitalize on those moments. Yeah, you also have Quandre

1278
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: Diggs talking about Kyler Murray. He said, don't forget he

1279
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: can also beat you with his arm and cut number

1280
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: ten right here. I think a lot of people overlooked

1281
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: that he actually can throw the ball really well, you

1282
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think I've been watching Kyler

1283
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: for so long, you know, I mean, he's a Texas guy.

1284
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: He's never lost a high school game, you know what

1285
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean, So I've always kind of knew. I knew

1286
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: of who he was. I always watched him, and you

1287
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean, He's always throwing the ball extremely well.

1288
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: He's a baseball player. He's quick, he's fast, he can

1289
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: do everything, you know what I mean. So I never

1290
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: sleep on him throwing the ball because you know, I mean,

1291
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: everybody's so going over the top about how crazy of

1292
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: an athlete he is, how fast he is, you know

1293
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. But like, he can throw the ball

1294
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: really really well, and he can throw it really accurate.

1295
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: So um, I'll never overlooked at him. Dave, do you

1296
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: think that in terms of defensive game plan when you're

1297
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: dealing with a guy who can run and who can throw,

1298
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: and by the way, they have a running game of

1299
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: their own, that it's best to focus on defending one

1300
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: or two of those things as opposed to all three.

1301
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: Because I wonder if the Seahawks defense, this one in particular,

1302
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: is capable of defending all three. So do you think

1303
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: that they should just like stack it against maybe one

1304
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: or two of those things? Uh? No, I mean, I

1305
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 1: guess the mentality going in is like, we want to

1306
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: stop everything. You know, we want to we want to

1307
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: do but you look, he's an extra meeting guy, and

1308
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: the problem is is if you do do that, then

1309
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: you've got Kenyan Drake, who, by the way, we haven't

1310
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: even really talked about. He's number four in the NFL,

1311
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: and you know, Kyler Murray's number thirteen as far as yardage. So,

1312
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean, those two guys are probably the best running

1313
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: back duo well they are in the NFL. So you know,

1314
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: if you dedicate too much there, you get beat that way.

1315
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: And that's what concerns me, Tom, is that, yeah, you're

1316
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to take a lot of attention and put

1317
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: a lot of assets into you know, controlling Kyler Murray.

1318
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: But you know we saw last week against Minnesota, I

1319
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: mean Madison, even the kid Boone came in. I think

1320
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: he had two carries for eighteen yards. You know, I

1321
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: thought it was all about Dalvin Cook and he was,

1322
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, beating this defense running and then the Madison

1323
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: kid comes in after the Alvin Cook got hurt and

1324
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: he was running. So I mean, it's it's a problem.

1325
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: You know, they've got a they've got a big challenge

1326
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: this week with those two guys, and then you've got

1327
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. I mean, it's, uh, it's it's interesting to

1328
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: see how how much better they've gotten, not only on

1329
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: I guess defense is the biggest surprise, but Kenyan Drake boy,

1330
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: I've just been very impressed with that kid ever since

1331
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: they got him last year in the mid season trade.

1332
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: All Right, we are going to see if we can

1333
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: get Shaquille Griffin coming up here. Seahawks practice gonna go

1334
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: a little bit late today, so TBD on that. We're

1335
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: going to try to get your starting cornerback Shaquille Griffin

1336
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: off the field for a quick interview. We're also going

1337
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: to do one final preview of this upcoming Sunday night

1338
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: game between the Seahawks and Cardinals. That's next on the huddle.

1339
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,919
Speaker 1: This is the huddle every Thursday from noon to two

1340
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: on seven ten ESPN Seattle. Welcome back into the Huddle

1341
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: with Tom Wasssele, Dave Wyman, Jay Keeps, and Stacy Ross.

1342
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: We're looking at this upcoming matchup between the Seattle Seahawks

1343
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: and Arizona Cardinals flexed into Sunday night football. These two

1344
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: teams match up pretty well together. We had Josh Winefuss

1345
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: of ESPN join us and say, hey, the Arizona Cardinals

1346
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: were pretty close to looking like an undefeated team. You

1347
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: could potentially have, you know, two, five and OO in

1348
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: Arizona's case, it would be six and OZ teams facing

1349
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: off here. But that's not the case. You've got a

1350
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: four and two Arizona Cardinals squad facing off against the

1351
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: undefeated Seattle Seahawks. Arizona's offense, though pretty solid, passing offense

1352
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: is a little more inconsistent, but they've got right now

1353
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: the top receiver in the game, defense obviously better than

1354
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:03,479
Speaker 1: Seattle's right now. Dave Jake already asked Steve Rabel about

1355
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: his keys of the game. When you look at this

1356
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: upcoming matchup, which player on either side of the ball

1357
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: for Arizona? Are you really really keeping your attention on, well,

1358
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. I mean I'll go opposite or the other guy,

1359
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake, just because I've always been really impressed with him.

1360
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: And look until further notice. I mean, this team is

1361
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,759
Speaker 1: going to have to thrive on I'm talking about the defense.

1362
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to thrive on the takeaways and the

1363
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: big plays. So and they do have ten takeaways, which

1364
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: makes them third in the NFL, and that's always been good.

1365
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: They've always been good at it. Turnover ratio, they're what

1366
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: plus six now I think they're tied for first, so

1367
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: and they've only given away And that's the other part

1368
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 1: of it, where you know, Murray dat doesn't take as

1369
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: good a care of the balls as Russell does. So

1370
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: and one of those still shouldn't be an interception, one

1371
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: through Greg Olson's hands, but they do a really good

1372
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: job with that, so they're gonna have to rely on that.

1373
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: And then for whatever reason, this team has a knack

1374
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: making big plays in key moments. I mean, think about

1375
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: just Benson Mayoa himself. I mean, the one play that

1376
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: sets up the fourth down where he sprints all the

1377
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: way you know, in the backfield, all the way back

1378
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: out to the sidelines and tackles the receiver who came

1379
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: around on the on the pitch feeling. So you know,

1380
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: that's those are things. Remember the fourth down plays that

1381
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: he made in Atlanta, and they made a couple of

1382
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: different ones. I mean, they're just for whatever reason, they

1383
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: come up with big plays at big times. They're just

1384
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna have to feed off of that right now because

1385
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: right now they're just they're giving up lots of yards

1386
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: and I feel like they're simple things that can get

1387
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: fixed and maybe we'll see something come out of out

1388
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: of the bye week if it's not going to be

1389
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: the turnovers, which is I think I totally agree with you,

1390
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: Dave that it is a huge key to this team

1391
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: and the way and the reason why they've been able

1392
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: to be five and l and the why and the

1393
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: reason why they're winning. There's something else that really stands

1394
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: out to me as well, that Stacy pointed out a

1395
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, is the fact that this team

1396
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: so far defensively has been bend and break when it taught.

1397
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: When you talk about red zone defense and red zone

1398
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: scoring percentages. The only output that they had a successful

1399
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 1: game in so far as the Miami Dolphins game where

1400
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: they only gave up thirty three percent or rendered. They

1401
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: scored on thirty three percent of their red zone opportunities,

1402
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: which is fantastic. And if they could play to that

1403
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 1: level and find a way to keep Kyler Murray and

1404
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake and DeAndre Hopkins in this group out of

1405
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: the end zone, that's another factor that comes together for

1406
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: this team. And I know that that's more of the

1407
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: strategy of what Pete Carroll Kin Norton Junior have for

1408
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: this defense as of right now, and if they can

1409
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: hold to that, it will certainly help this group while

1410
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and this offense are scoring touchdowns trying to

1411
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: limit the Cardinals to just fuel goals. Dave, you were

1412
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: talking about the big play thing, you know, and those

1413
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: things coming at opportune times, and I asked you about that,

1414
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: I think earlier in the week or maybe last week.

1415
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: But do you think that that has to do with

1416
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, I mean, obviously they prove

1417
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: that they can make the plays, so why can't they

1418
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: do it just a little bit more frequently? Than when

1419
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: they absolutely have to. I guess that's the strange part

1420
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: of that. It Like the guy we're trying to interview

1421
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: here in a minute, Shack Griffin. I mean, he makes

1422
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: big plays too, but if he could make even a

1423
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: small percentage more, I think that would make a big

1424
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: difference in terms of the number of yards and points

1425
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: they're allowing. What do you think about that? Yeah, it's

1426
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: it's interesting because it's not really a skill, right, Like

1427
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna and they're all just downs, you know, I

1428
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: mean that's third down? Is that different than second down?

1429
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: For I mean, I don't remember. Yeah, we gotta get

1430
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 1: off the field, but I mean you're still on every play,

1431
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: gonna try theoretically as hard as you can. Unless you

1432
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: ask the cornerback from the Dallas Cowboys, I can't remember

1433
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: his name, but he was talking about where you think

1434
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: I run one hundred percent all the time, But I mean,

1435
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you should be doing those things all

1436
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: the time. So yeah, I was just watching like Tampa

1437
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: Bay's run defense over the weekend. That was one of

1438
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: the few games I watched where you know, they pretty

1439
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: much shut down the Packers and they just looked really physical.

1440
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: They were just fundamental things. They were just very simple,

1441
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, things that need to get done. Maybe they're

1442
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: just not playing together, you know, the way that they should.

1443
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't, like I said, they're gonna have

1444
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: to learn to live off of you know. And I'm

1445
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 1: just saying, I hope that they make those kinds of plays.

1446
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: But they have had a tendency too, and I don't

1447
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: know what goes wrong on those other ones where all

1448
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden there's a thirty yard run or you know,

1449
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: a fifty yard pass. But you know, for the most part,

1450
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 1: it's been this is how they survived last year, you know,

1451
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: and I've said it for the last three four weeks

1452
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: that I mean, they were near the bottom and nearly

1453
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: every category except for takeaways, so they were number three.

1454
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: It's thirty two of them, so you know, and thinking

1455
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: about it, you know, that's that's thirty two possessions you're

1456
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: giving your offense, and especially with this offense, now you know,

1457
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: this is uh, this is huge, and so you know

1458
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: they're they're really good. So that that's kind of how

1459
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: they're thriving until like I said, until further notice. But

1460
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: the things that I've seen them do really well, are

1461
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: You know. I was talking about Cody Barton and how

1462
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: you know the way he takes on blockers. I mean,

1463
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: you can live with that. That's good stuff. You're turning

1464
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: it back to the other guy, you know, uh, kJ

1465
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: the way he's dropping underneath those routes and making the

1466
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: quarterback have to put some air under the ball. That

1467
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: gives those gays opportunities to get picks. I mean, those

1468
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: are simple little things that hopefully we'll start to see

1469
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: more consistently out of this defense. But you know, in

1470
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: the meantime, maybe it's that they take chances. I don't know,

1471
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: but they sure have come up with It's a tough

1472
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 1: question to answer, Tom because why did they come up

1473
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: in those situations? And maybe they're making those plays like

1474
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: that all the time, but I don't think so. I mean,

1475
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: it just seems like all of a sudden, you see

1476
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: them come out of nowhere. Like, did anybody think that

1477
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: they were going to be able to stop Cam Newton

1478
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,759
Speaker 1: from the one yard line? No, I'll be really honest,

1479
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: I did not. I think twice, yeah, they and then

1480
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: they one time it didn't work and then he threw

1481
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 1: a pass to the guy who was fake and I thought,

1482
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, he's just gonna fall forward. That's Cam Newton.

1483
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: And then they come up with this huge play, you know,

1484
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 1: so and Bobby was a huge part of that. He

1485
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: slanted them the right way and then he got behind

1486
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: the pulling guard and disrupted the whole thing. So, yeah,

1487
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: it's it's been an odd year defensively, and I thought

1488
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: that they were going to be so much more improved.

1489
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: I think we all as far as their numbers go. Yeah,

1490
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: but but they're they're really good in a in a

1491
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: couple of areas, and so that's that's how they're living

1492
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: right now. And when you're giving the ball back to

1493
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: this offense, it's a little bit different than it was

1494
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: last year. I was gonna say, you're seeing that reflected

1495
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: immediately with point differential too, that that's just a completely

1496
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: different story. They're throwing it more often, they're moving down

1497
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: the field when the off defense does get the ball.

1498
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: There right now, the top scoring team in the league

1499
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: when you look at it defensively, I don't want to

1500
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: frame it this way, Dave, but doesn't it feel like

1501
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: they almost like can't keep playing as poorly as they

1502
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: have defensively, Not just because they have the talent to

1503
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: be better, but because no, I'm serious, not just because

1504
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: they have the talent to be better, but because giving

1505
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: up four hundred and seventy one yards per game just

1506
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: doesn't match up with being an undefeated team. Yeah, I

1507
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 1: mean again, till further notice, you better make plays. You'd

1508
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: better come up with some big plays and get the

1509
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 1: ball back for your offense. Because yeah, those those kinds

1510
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: of things. And it's kind of weird how it's working

1511
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,440
Speaker 1: out this year that the offenses are ahead of the defenses.

1512
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: And there's been all kinds of explanations for that. I

1513
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: think a lot of it has to do with the

1514
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: penalties that they call or don't call. So you know,

1515
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: I was saying this on the broadcast. I saw like

1516
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: a linebacker get blocked in. He was in his deep

1517
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: hook drop like twelve yards down field and there's a

1518
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: lineman down there blocking him. I mean, come on, guys,

1519
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: let's throw some flags on behalf of the defense. But

1520
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: it's it's really hard to explain, but I feel like

1521
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: they're fixable things and we'll see how they come out

1522
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: of it. But this is gonna be a tough test, man,

1523
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Kyler Murray and like I said, then you've

1524
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: got Hopkins, You've got you know, in the kid Christian

1525
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: Kirk is really good as well. But yeah, Kenyan Drake,

1526
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's gonna really test them. Dave, We're

1527
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: talking about this and it just keeps coming to mind.

1528
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 1: I said this after week four, but it still continues,

1529
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: whether it's injuries or whether it's just this group has

1530
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: defensively has not played together as a group yet and consistently. Right,

1531
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,719
Speaker 1: it's still even now you're adding new pieces like Snax Harrison,

1532
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: you're adding Michael Kendricks to the equation as well. It's

1533
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: gonna be multiple weeks. It's gonna be almost you know,

1534
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: four or five weeks from and even now until this

1535
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 1: group has fully played together as a unit. And that's

1536
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: that's tough to do. Yeah, well, think about it. Like

1537
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: Quandre Diggs, you know he missed the because of the

1538
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: getting kicked out of the game, so that piece was gone.

1539
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 1: Dunbar I thought played. It was really fun to watch

1540
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 1: him in that first game against Atlanta. Some of the

1541
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: things he's did, especially in the run game that we're

1542
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,759
Speaker 1: just phenomenal. And then you know he gets the knee

1543
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 1: thing and then that gets him set back. So I mean,

1544
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: once you can get all of those guys out there

1545
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: together consistently, then Jamal Adams goes down. So yeah, I

1546
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 1: think there's there's more to it. But you know, I

1547
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: guess we always think, well, they got Bobby and KG,

1548
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: so you know they'll they'll keep it together. But really

1549
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,719
Speaker 1: they don't have that many players that have played together,

1550
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, and so that's that's maybe the biggest problem

1551
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: going for this this team anyway, And you know every

1552
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: team is different, you know, but apparently the personality of

1553
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: this of this defense right now is that these guys

1554
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 1: do you need a little bit more time to play

1555
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: together kind of know where everybody's going to be. And

1556
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:53,799
Speaker 1: I felt like they had that kind of going. Remember

1557
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 1: after the first game where Bobby and Jamal Adams like

1558
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: we're Batman and Robin Yeh're so good? Yeah yeah and

1559
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: best players on the field. Yeah, and then you know

1560
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 1: there's the injury and then things happen, So it'll be

1561
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 1: I think that there's a chance for this. I was

1562
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: comparing a couple of weeks ago because something I think

1563
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: one of you guys said on this show. But remember

1564
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: Kansas City, they're horrible in the first ten nine ten

1565
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: games last year, and then they got really good at

1566
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: the end. They were only given up like ten points

1567
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: a game down the stretch in the last five games.

1568
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: So you know, there's always a chance. And you know,

1569
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the personnel on that Kansas City

1570
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: defense last year, is it better than what the Seahawks have?

1571
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: Not necessarily. I mean, there's a couple of guys there

1572
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 1: that are good, but I think, especially now, they definitely

1573
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: have the talent to do it, So I think they

1574
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 1: can pull it off. It's just maybe it is about

1575
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: it's just a group that really needs to play together.

1576
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna be having a Seahawks cornerbacks Shaquille

1577
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: Griffin joining us here sometime in the next ten or

1578
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. That'll be on Tom, Jake and Stacy. That'll

1579
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: do it for the huddle today with Dave Wyman, Jake keeps,

1580
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: Tom Wastle and Stacy Ross. You can hear Dave again

1581
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 1: in an hour. I'm Bob Dave, and so don't go anywhere.

1582
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 1: Tom Jake and Stacy is next on seven ten ESPN

1583
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: Seattle