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Speaker 1: Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Jesus Lizardo, it's time for an emergency pod. Unfortunately, guys,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a siren, so I have a I

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Speaker 2: got this. I could do one of these. That's about

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Speaker 2: as close to an emergency pod sound as we've got

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Speaker 2: on The Philly Show right now. But it's Ruben Tomorrow Junior,

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Speaker 2: Jim Salisbury, Todd's lucky. We're coming to you Monday night,

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Speaker 2: March eighth, March ninth, twenty twenty six. And we're here

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Speaker 2: because Jesus Zardo has agreed to a five year, one

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five million dollar contract extension with the Phillies.

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Speaker 2: And gotta give some love here to my buddy, Jim,

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Speaker 2: our buddy, Jim first, with the details on the terms

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Speaker 2: of the DNI de Niro.

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Speaker 3: Give me that information, Jim.

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Speaker 1: I'm moving a cup of tea.

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Speaker 2: Build a t Jim's build the tea. All right, Reuben,

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Speaker 2: let's go.

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Speaker 3: Five years, one hundred and thirty five million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Jesus Sozarto your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: I'm all about pitching. I'm all about starting pitching all

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Speaker 4: the time. I don't think that they were necessarily negotiating

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Speaker 4: from a position of leverage where the Phillies, But I

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Speaker 4: think it's really important. I think that they see the

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Speaker 4: ability in the young man. I see the type of

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Speaker 4: person he is. I'd see'd you know, they feel like

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Speaker 4: he was super super healthy all year last year and

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Speaker 4: he's gotten over some of those issues. Always a risk

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Speaker 4: when you go more than two or three years with

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Speaker 3: It is what it is. But the fact that they

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Speaker 3: got him done it's.

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Speaker 4: Huge, and uh, they're keeping the quality pitching that they have.

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Speaker 3: He's one of the better.

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Speaker 4: Take away those couple of starts where you know, he

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Speaker 4: got lit up for twenty earned runs or whatever in

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Speaker 1: So in fact, Ruben, if you take away those two starts,

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Speaker 1: twenty ernies in five and two thirds, he finished his

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Speaker 1: season with a three point nine to two ERA if

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Speaker 1: you take away those two starts, and you can do

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Speaker 1: it because they were back to back. Clearly he had

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Speaker 1: Take out those two two starts and he might be

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Speaker 1: more like fourth or fifth. So you know, the big

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Speaker 1: thing to me was last year, you know, the year

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Speaker 1: what thirty two starts last year, And you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean I like the term at five years when I know,

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Speaker 1: you know, Frober only got three Ranger GT five this year.

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Speaker 1: It's in line with those but you know, just a

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Speaker 1: few years ago they gave Nola seven, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I remember the times when Ruben and Pat Gillick were

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Speaker 1: nothing over a three year deal for a pitcher. So

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Speaker 1: the game has changed a lot. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: think this is a potential win for the Phillies. Five

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Speaker 1: years reasonable term in my mind in today's game, twenty

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Speaker 1: you know, with good health. I think at age twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: what we've seen. He just seems to be getting better.

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Speaker 1: And Phillies had to do it, had to do it.

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Speaker 1: You know, they got Painter in the rotation this year.

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Speaker 2: Say, yeah, and they have, so they have. You said,

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Speaker 2: the five starters, you have Wheeler, Nola, Sanchez, Lozardo, Painter

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Speaker 2: locked up through twenty twenty seven. Wheeler's a free agent

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Speaker 2: to be a comforting feeling knowing that you have Lizardo

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Speaker 2: much like immediately coming down the pike, you know, in

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Speaker 1: And when they made this trade around Christmas in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, all of us were like, we all thought

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Speaker 1: Ranger was going to go to free agency. We all

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Speaker 1: kind of looked at this as you know, maybe Rangers'

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Speaker 4: So the real question then becomes why did they do

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Speaker 4: it for Ranger and why would they do it for Lizardo?

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Speaker 4: And I will tell you why, because they feel like

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Speaker 4: Lozardo is going to be a more durable pitcher. Rangers

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Speaker 4: had some issues with his back, with his legs and stuff.

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Speaker 4: He's had some issues being able to stay healthy and

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Speaker 4: to be able to pitch consistently. Now Lozardo's got a

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Speaker 4: little bit of a speckled pass with that too, But

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Speaker 4: based on what they saw, I mean recency bias, based

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Speaker 4: on what they saw last year, they feel like this

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Speaker 4: going to be more durable, and he's going to be

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Speaker 4: able to handle the rigors of throwing thirty two you know,

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Speaker 4: thirty two games started hopefully, you know, one hundred and

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Speaker 3: I don't. I think he's only done it once. So

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Speaker 3: I think they feel like Lizardo could be that guy.

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Speaker 1: And he's this guy is two years younger than Ranger.

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Speaker 1: And we all respect the hell out of Ranger. He

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Speaker 2: any concerns about Lozardo's health moving forward? Like if we

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Speaker 2: I think we all in agreement, we all seem to

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Speaker 2: kind of sounds like we all kind of like this deal.

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Speaker 2: But what would maybe, you know, Ruben as a GM

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Speaker 2: kind of keep you up at night right now about this?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's obvious, I mean you had some

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Speaker 4: But it's one of the things I've been saying a

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Speaker 4: lot is that the Phillies really do a great job

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Speaker 4: a full year, you know a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: Great point a year's worth of intel on the body

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Speaker 1: there's always a risk, especially with pictures. You never know

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Speaker 1: when you're gonna throw your last pitch. But I think

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Speaker 1: this is a sound risk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And the other the other part of that, this

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Speaker 3: He's a great kid. I mean, go ahead time.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I I was a agree with you,

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Speaker 2: rubin the community aspect of him. I was going to

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Speaker 2: add on to that exactly reading my thoughts, Ruben, is

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Speaker 2: knowing that you know he is a high makeup guy.

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Speaker 2: Like you said in the clubhouse, super upbeat, super upbeat,

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Speaker 2: gets along with everybody, you know, great competitive Todd.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine tomorrow down there will be a press

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Speaker 1: conference and if you remember, maybe I should tell you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm gonna tell you great, my brother.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I'm gonna give you I'm gonna When we

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Speaker 1: had we had lazarro on the podcast last was it May?

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Speaker 1: He was really good. Yeah, good time to dial that

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Speaker 1: one up, folks and go listen to that one. But

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Speaker 2: He can probably buy one of those honorary degrees now

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Speaker 4: Right, But great, great family and obviously the family the

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Speaker 3: As you talked about, Todd. I mean, this is a

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Speaker 4: And uh, my only fear is that I hope he

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Speaker 3: And he and you know when he doesn't do well,

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Speaker 4: To care, but you also don't want to to care

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Speaker 2: And now guess what he can do. Guys, if Venezuela

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Speaker 1: If I were the Phillies, I would I would say, uh, hubble,

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Speaker 4: Right, it's a.

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Speaker 3: Little I might have been part of the discussion. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm enjoying the heck out of the w b C.

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Speaker 2: Right here, Okay. So I want to I want to close.

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Speaker 2: I want to close this emergency pod. Emergency pod. I

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Speaker 2: gotta get a new sir, and that's more like a.

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Speaker 1: I want you to get like a British ambulance.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm to work on that. So I want to

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Speaker 3: Nob. Yeah, I don't think that agent's could allow him

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Speaker 4: I just don't think that that that's gonna that agents

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Speaker 1: Yea, it depends on how they perform. You kind of

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Speaker 3: Many years, my brethren, many years, not since Shane Victorino

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Speaker 2: That's a great point, Roere. But it's been a long

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Speaker 1: Correct, what's about ricky Otaro doesn't do it for you?

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Speaker 3: Bet, exactly exactly, All kay?

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Speaker 2: What about I mean Duran Doran is a guy you

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Speaker 3: That, you're right, you got it.

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Speaker 2: Torn's a free agent after twenty twenty seven, he'd be

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Speaker 3: I would like to lock up. Yeah, you got you

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Speaker 2: But there's no rush on. There's no rush on that one.

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Speaker 2: That might be next spring or you know, mid seat you.

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Speaker 1: Know, yeah, durn Toron's the guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so they got they got some time. They

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Speaker 2: that money. Jyzus was he could have he could have

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Speaker 5: Obviously, very happy in Philadelphia, very happy with the way

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Speaker 3: Got to give a lot of credit to a lot

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Speaker 4: Guys, and and uh, the Phillies have made a made

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Speaker 2: Good place for pitchers. Man. They've you know, like you

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Speaker 1: Just like John Smoltz said. John smolt said, they'll never

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Speaker 1: Oh it's a good copy.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, Thanks for Thanks to everybody for joining

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Speaker 2: the Emergency Pod.

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Speaker 2: We got another show coming later.

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