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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt Noel is on an adventure and

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Speaker 1: that guy is doing something interesting. They called me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission

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Speaker 1: Control decons. Most importantly, you are you, you are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 1: to know. Matt, Yeah, you caught me. Sorry, you know

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Speaker 1: the song calls are we're we're recording remotely today and

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Speaker 1: one of the funniest things for any of our fellow

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Speaker 1: conspiracy realists who have been, you know, meeting on video platforms.

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Speaker 1: I strongly suspect that the majority of people on those

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Speaker 1: calls are kind of staring at their own thumbnail of

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Speaker 1: their face and like self adjusting. But but I want

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Speaker 1: everyone to know, writer or die, Matt Frederick here is

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Speaker 1: that this guy pays attention and like, to be fair,

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Speaker 1: I was looking at myself and I caught you out

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Speaker 1: of the corner of my eye. But you know, okay, sure, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: I believe it. I believe it. But uh, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is uh, this is pretty uh wild day for us,

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Speaker 1: wild week really here in Atlanta, and with all the

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Speaker 1: stuff that's happening, of course, Uh, the our favorite, our

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Speaker 1: mutual favorite time of day is when we can get

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Speaker 1: our favorite segments because listener mail is where you can

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Speaker 1: speak directly to your fellow listeners. And we've got some

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Speaker 1: We've got some strange stuff here today, Matt, and I'm

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Speaker 1: really trying not to derail us with banter. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're going to Turkey, We're learning some very strange stuff

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Speaker 1: about a university that will be familiar to a lot

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Speaker 1: of people. But also, you know, I was thinking of recently, Man,

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Speaker 1: the Grinch he or I mean one that one Mr Grinch? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that song is amazing. I was thinking about how well

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Speaker 1: what does that mean? I touch you? Right? If someone

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you, but you just got

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Speaker 1: garlic in your soul, right, right? And Zen, what's happened?

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Speaker 1: She left? And that was that And now I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just here trying to add more things to my

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Speaker 1: you tell me some roseberry that goes well, Uh, this

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Speaker 1: let's see if we could do it. So So that's

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Speaker 1: what listen mail is. We're taking this different ingredients from

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Speaker 1: it's surprising you think there would be more bites, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Listen off, Mike, everybody. Ben showed up today and said, Matt,

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Speaker 1: the structure that has put in place to ensure their safety. Um,

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Speaker 1: it feels like an absolute subversion for that same power

427
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Speaker 1: structure to appear to be persecuting you, you know what

428
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Speaker 1: I mean. And because of because of that, because of

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Speaker 1: the trauma that many survivors of assaults especially experience, there's

430
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Speaker 1: already often going to be some internal pressure, some familial

431
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: pressure not to pursue justice, as sad as that is

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00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: to say, as heartbreaking as it is to say, and

433
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: then coupled with secular pressure, coupled with religious pressure, coupled

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Speaker 1: with campus pressure, it stacks the odds against these victims.

435
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Speaker 1: I I think you and I are on the same

436
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Speaker 1: page with Darth and a lot of our listeners. This

437
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: is a horrific thing. So really we're just talking. It

438
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Speaker 1: feels like overstepped and and it is overstepped because there

439
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: was a whole investigation into this one police officers use

440
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Speaker 1: of these records. It was one lieutenant right who was

441
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Speaker 1: accessing records for a long time over the course of

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Speaker 1: those years. His name is Aaron Rhodes, and there was

443
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Speaker 1: a criminal investigation that was looking into him, and at

444
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Speaker 1: least when this report was written by the Salt Lake Tribune.

445
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Speaker 1: In t there was discussion about removing the police force

446
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Speaker 1: from b y U entirely because of the essentially abuse

447
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Speaker 1: of power here or misuse of these records. It says

448
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Speaker 1: that he was looking at reports for from the Oram Police,

449
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: the Utah County Sheriff's Office, and the Provo Police, so

450
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: like like we said, or like Darth said, all the

451
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: surrounding areas basically all of those law enforcement offices. He

452
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: took information from the report and shared them with the

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Speaker 1: Dean of Students office, the Title nine office, and the

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Speaker 1: honor code office. So he's literally taking that information and

455
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Speaker 1: just funneling it through the entire university system. And because

456
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: that honor code exists, because there are direct consequences related

457
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Speaker 1: to that honor code. Not only would somebody who's you know,

458
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: maybe did do something wrong and had a police report

459
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: written about them or at least violated some you know

460
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: statute in one of these places, Um, they are now

461
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: not only going to get punished by that law enforcement agency,

462
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: they're going to get punished by their school, which does

463
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Speaker 1: feel very weird. Yes, yeah, hard degree there. The issue

464
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: is that while those solutions may seem apparent to people

465
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Speaker 1: on the outside. Uh, they don't they. I guess they're

466
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: not as apparent for the people who are participating in

467
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: these power structures, you know. And the most like the

468
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: most extreme Hollywood version of this is also unfortunately a

469
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Speaker 1: true story at times. And this extreme version is a

470
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: narrative something like this, A student, you know, whatever, whatever

471
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Speaker 1: gender they are identify as, is uh, sexually assaulted by

472
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Speaker 1: a another student who is a legacy student, right, or

473
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Speaker 1: perhaps a very prominent instructor or professor of some sort

474
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Speaker 1: um or you know, a very promising athlete or something.

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Speaker 1: And then let's take like the most Hollywood version of

476
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Speaker 1: the villain in this case would be the very wealthy

477
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Speaker 1: legacy student. And by legacy student we mean someone who

478
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Speaker 1: primarily got into an academic institution because of their parents

479
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: financial contributions and because their parents had gone there in

480
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Speaker 1: the past, you know what I mean. It's like the kid,

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00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: the kid who has the same last name as the

482
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Speaker 1: library or whatever. Yeah, is someone where it would where

483
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: just the fact that this person had got into trouble

484
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: could be a public relations issue for the school itself, right,

485
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: I think I think that's where we're going exactly. So

486
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: then a class argument would enter in there, and they

487
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: would say, hey, we need to resolve this quietly for

488
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Speaker 1: the good name of the school. And also part of

489
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Speaker 1: the motivation that's implied there is we would really like

490
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Speaker 1: the far fig Nugan family or whomever von far fig Nugan,

491
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: Let's make them fancier. They would like the von Farfignugen

492
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Speaker 1: family to continue donating to our OBOE program or whatever.

493
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: And this the reason I'm picking these kind of ridiculous

494
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: and specific examples is because I do think it is

495
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 1: specifically ridiculous, indeed in human to put somebody's physical and

496
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: mental well being beneath something, as in the long run,

497
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Speaker 1: inconsequential as a building or a donation, especially in these

498
00:32:54,080 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: very renowned institutions whose endowments are mind boggling. They're not

499
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: hurting for money, they want the prestige. But I don't

500
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: think you should sacrifice human beings to do it. I

501
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: want a pivot here, just quickly to hear a quote

502
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Speaker 1: from this article from S. Daniel Carter, who's the president

503
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Speaker 1: of Safety Advisors for Educational Campuses LLC. Again, it's from

504
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: that Salt Lake Tribune article from UM. S. Daniel Carter

505
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: says it is common for institutions to use their campus

506
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Speaker 1: police to also serve as security and enforce institutional policies,

507
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: but use of police access to effectively spy on students

508
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: to enforce non criminal codes of conduct in this manner

509
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: is unconscionable. In doing so, here, a private entity would

510
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: be using the power of the state to affect their

511
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: own religious rules, something with potentially significant ramifications. That's definitely

512
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: the way I'm feeling about it personally when I think

513
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: about this, especially in that one assault case where the

514
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: lieutenant that we mentioned earlier immediately went and looked up

515
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: looked up in like full details on a rape case

516
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: and sent it to the Honor Code office. And it

517
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: was about the victim, like very intimate details about it.

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00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: That's really wrong. Um, well, hey, this is something we

519
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: can definitely look more into. If you've ever been to

520
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: Brigham Young University, if you've been on the police force there,

521
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: a student there, faculty, maybe you've been on that board.

522
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: You probably wouldn't write to us if you've been on

523
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: the Code of Conduct board, but you know, we'd love

524
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: to hear your experience what this is like. If you're

525
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: a member of the more In Church, we'd love to

526
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: hear what you think about that code of conduct. Is

527
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: it a great thing, a terrible thing? Is it just standard?

528
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you. So please contact us

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00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: in between the moment where we leave right now and

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00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: get back you ready, We'll be right back with some

531
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: more listener mail, and we've returned. As as I've noted

532
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: off air, it is in a way always Halloween in

533
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: America means that it is never it is never too

534
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: soon to celebrate, and because we all wear masks man

535
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: all the time. Before the pandemic, I wrote a poem

536
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: about this. I feel so embarrassed saying this. I'm I'm

537
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: not ready to share it, but maybe one day. I'm

538
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: talking metaphysical man like who are you right now? Even

539
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: you know? Mask off? Yeah? Yes, well terrible poetry aside. Uh,

540
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 1: And you can always message me if you want to

541
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: subject yourself to reading some of it. Uh. One thing

542
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: that I think Matt, you and I have both really

543
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: been enjoying were the various stories we've been receiving from

544
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: our fellow listeners about haunted objects. And so what we

545
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: thought we would do today is share and share a

546
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: story that really captured us that we both super enjoyed,

547
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: and we thought you would like to hear it too,

548
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: so we're going to We're gonna read this as a

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00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: letter pretty much in full, and Matt and I are

550
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: gonna trade off at certain times. So here we go.

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Speaker 1: This is from Tabitha h. Tabitha says, Hi, guys, gals

552
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: and any non binary pals who may be interested. Uh sorry, guys,

553
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: gals and non binary pals. Love the rhyming scheme already

554
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: it rhymes Yes, this is a very talented writer. We

555
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: should be honest about that from the get go. Tabitha,

556
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: you say so. I heard you give another call for

557
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: writing in about haunted objects while catching up on my

558
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: pod list today, and I decided I might as well

559
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: tell you about my experience not necessarily haunted question mark.

560
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to classify it as, but it's

561
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: definitely something I have yet to find an explanation for.

562
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: So interesting. Nonetheless, as the pandemic was really starting to

563
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: ramp up last year, I bought a few different handmade

564
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: cotton masks just to have a few on hand. One

565
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: of them was a print of lady scientists doing science

566
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: e things. And I love science, and especially science of ladies.

567
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: So it was my favorite one. One day I went

568
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: to look for it and it wasn't there. I had

569
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: a dedicated basket by the door for a few different

570
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: masks I like variety, so I knew where it ought

571
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: to be. But it wasn't. It hadn't fallen to the floor,

572
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: checked by purse, empted it completely, nothing. Maybe I left

573
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: it in a jeans pocket, nope, dropped it in the

574
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: car nowhere. I looked for two weeks, as did my partner,

575
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: before giving up, deciding it must just have gone. It

576
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 1: had fallen out into a parking space or something. Who knew.

577
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: I ordered a new one because I loved the print,

578
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: so I still wanted it. It came, I worried. Everything

579
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: proceeded as normal, though I was still kind of bummed.

580
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: I have to admit. About a month or so after

581
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: getting the new one, I was visiting my mom to

582
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: drop something off for her. So I took my new

583
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: Lady Scientists mask and put it in my purse to

584
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: wear for that. Dropped off the thing, headed back toward home,

585
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: decided to get a coffee, put the Lady Scientists mask

586
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: back on, went in to get my coffee and came

587
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: back out. I went to take off my mask and

588
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: put it in my purse, like I literally always do,

589
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: which is why I didn't know how I could have

590
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: lost the first one, except it's already in my purse,

591
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: right on top of everything, not hidden in the depths

592
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: or whatever, but extremely visible. I'm like, wait, did I

593
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: wear a different mask to go in and get coffee?

594
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: So I look at the and in my hand, it's

595
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: the same mask. There are two, one just removes my

596
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: new one, and one sitting on top of everything in

597
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: my purse the old one. They did have a slightly

598
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: different fit, so I could distinguish them, but it doesn't

599
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: really matter, just the fact that there were suddenly two.

600
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: The first one literally appeared out of absolutely nowhere. I had,

601
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: in fact worn the second one in to get coffee

602
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: and to my mom's I had gotten in and out

603
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: of my purse several times over the course of the

604
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: trip to get my keys, my phone, mask in out, etcetera.

605
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: I had carried my purse in to get coffee with me.

606
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: I put my phone in my purse before I got

607
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: out of the car, so I certainly would have seen

608
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: the first mask sitting in the way had it been

609
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: there when I did that. Obviously it was not, and

610
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: then it was. I'm a huge skeptic. Even if you

611
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: guys sounded like you might be getting into a theory,

612
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: I scoff and I explained it away, especially when it

613
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: comes to haunted objects or in sence exactly like this.

614
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm of the mind that there is always a rational

615
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: explanation if you look at something hard enough, but I

616
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: have yet to find one for this several months later.

617
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: Even my partner, a bigger skeptic than me, can't find one.

618
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: I have no idea what happened, and it doesn't particularly

619
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: seem haunted. There was nothing nefarious about it, and I

620
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: was pleased to have my mask back then. Yes, I

621
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: did watch it immediately, so I don't know if I

622
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: caught the eye of a benevolent deity or if the

623
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: fathe somehow trapped me with it or what. But I

624
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: honestly have zero rational explanation for this even now. Anyway,

625
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: after hearing about this blue ball thing, it seemed like

626
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: it was time to share. I hope you guys enjoyed.

627
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: I doubt this is interesting enough to talk about on air,

628
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: but if you do, please just use my first name. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Love the show. Tabitha. So first I've think of indulge ourselves.

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00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: It's dramatic eatings, Matt. I think we both have a

631
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: lot of fun with that. I think it's more interesting

632
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: we have it back and forth and just listening to

633
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: one person, you know what I mean. Yeah, But the

634
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: thing that I thought was, um that the only thing

635
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: I disagree with you about, Tabitha, and I think, Matt,

636
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: you might back me up here, is that this is

637
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: interesting enough to read on air because I don't know

638
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: about you all, but I've always, I have often had

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Speaker 1: those situations where things seem to disappear and reappear, and ah,

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Speaker 1: I lose things that aren't tied to me. But there

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Speaker 1: are things that I you know, I can't. I can't

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Speaker 1: explain how something has disappeared or resurface. And in a way,

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Speaker 1: it's it's similar to that story about the allegedly haunted

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Speaker 1: blue ball. And I wanted to ask you, Matt, have

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Speaker 1: where you you've you've had a thing and your thing

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Speaker 1: always goes you know, everything in its right place kind

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Speaker 1: of style. Your thing always goes in that spot. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of people do that with wallets, keys, phones,

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Speaker 1: have it resurface. I I don't know, how would you

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Speaker 1: explain it. Maybe it's a little different for you because

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Speaker 1: you have a kid, right, who might you know, take

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Speaker 1: something and play with it and then put it back

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Speaker 1: later something like that. Put it back later? Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: sneak in here while I'm recording. Sometimes you can't see

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Speaker 1: everything that's going on in the shelf. And for a

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Speaker 1: had some other magic cards. There's most of them up there.

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Speaker 1: But he would sneak in here sometimes I'm not even noticing.

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Speaker 1: He'll take something, but he won't put it back. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: he stores it away like some dragon in his horde

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Speaker 1: But but no, that's not what we're talking about. I

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Speaker 1: shades guy. Those are still the ones I'm rocking because

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Speaker 1: they've stuck around for the longest time. All the other

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Speaker 1: ones leave for a while, and I would say, forty

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Speaker 1: of them come back somehow, and I'll just rediscover them. Um. Also,

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Speaker 1: my son could be a fault here because he loves sunglasses.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I catch him wearing mine. Solved at least this

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Speaker 1: example of this mystery. You know, I think one thing

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Speaker 1: this leads us to, like one of the big psychological

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Speaker 1: aspects is we're all unreliable narrators of our own lives

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Speaker 1: and our own past, you know, so, uh, the human

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Speaker 1: mind is fallible. But I was talking to people, um

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Speaker 1: I was startled to find that almost everybody had maybe

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Speaker 1: or some kind of weird teleportation or something like that.

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Speaker 1: They seemed more inclined to even the most skeptical just

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Speaker 1: say Huh, my keys were there, they weren't They're back.

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Speaker 1: Do my keys have a secret life? You know? I

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Speaker 1: like vacation. Did my keys take vacation? Right? It's definitely

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Speaker 1: And a lot of our skeptics in the crowd would say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: people are just people are just maybe not giving their

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Speaker 1: But with that in mind, I would love to hear

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Speaker 1: other people's stories of objects that have inexplicably disappeared and reappeared.

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Speaker 1: Especially this is something it doesn't happen all the time,

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Speaker 1: but there have been people that I've heard from who

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Speaker 1: are correlating this with some important event in their life,

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Speaker 1: this the day they find this significant object that they

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Speaker 1: had treasured. Things like that, um and how much of

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Speaker 1: that is the human mind creating patterns where they do

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Speaker 1: not necessarily exist or is there something more to the story.

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Speaker 1: Last note, apologies to everybody. It's go Beckley Tepa. Nope,

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Speaker 1: it's go back Gilbert Godfa. That's how it's pronounced. He

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Speaker 1: is named after that site. Uh, and we will confirm

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Speaker 1: it with him. I I I can't get Dannekin Von

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Speaker 1: Dannekin out of my head. You'll just have to watch

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Speaker 1: a clip online if you don't know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: Fontanakin and always says h quickly, tippy. And there's an

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Speaker 1: interesting study about how people in the Anglo sphere tend

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Speaker 1: to assume someone is more authoritative if they have specific,

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Speaker 1: not all, but specific types of European accents and British accents.

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Speaker 1: Especially so if you're ever watching one of those shows

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Speaker 1: and you're wondering, why did they pick somebody with this

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Speaker 1: accent to do this, then just pay extra special attention

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Speaker 1: to what they're actually saying. Don't let me fool you.

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Speaker 1: Don't let Daniel Radcliffe get one over on you just

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Speaker 1: because he's got that awesome accent. Yeah, or Michael Caine,

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Speaker 1: I mean that guy would kill it solid uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: man Idris Idris Elba. That's another one, And what better

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Speaker 1: way to end the show. Please let us know what

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Speaker 1: you think about go back they tap up ak pronounced

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Speaker 1: Gilbert Godfried. Please let us know. Please let us know

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Speaker 1: if you have had experiences with the problems we're talking

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Speaker 1: about about campus prosecutions and sometimes how those forces may

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Speaker 1: be used to cover up crimes and please let us

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Speaker 1: know your stories of objects that appear to go missing

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Speaker 1: and reappear of their own volition. You think there's anything

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Speaker 1: to it. I think people are just forgetting what they've done.

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Speaker 1: How do you explain it? We want to know, and

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Speaker 1: you search for. So, because it was because it was

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Speaker 1: the dynamic duo today, we had planned on see if

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Speaker 1: we can make a shorter episod own and and make

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Speaker 1: two episodes so we'd have more episodes for you and uh,

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Speaker 1: Paul mission control decond, being far nicer than he has

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Speaker 1: any right to be, said, well, you know, guys, in

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Speaker 1: the past, you've tried you would make something short, and

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Speaker 1: so I just had to send a message to Mission control.

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Speaker 1: You're right, Look man, you get us to talking and

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Speaker 1: if we haven't seen each other in like twenty four hours,

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Speaker 1: Mission control Decond, controller of all things on this show.

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Speaker 1: So uh we we we did our best, but we

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Speaker 1: paranormal encounters. If you would like to hear more of

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Speaker 1: can be Darth Decond. Hey, that'd be fun. Uh we'd

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Speaker 1: read that on air for sure. Paul would love it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: end of it. If you want to get a lady

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Speaker 1: Scientist mask, which is described on Etsy as a science

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Speaker 1: as always appreciate, really just appreciates Etsy and all that

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Speaker 1: maybe that's it. I think it's more of a hey, Matt, Matt, Matt,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing? I hear you're talking, Matt. This

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Speaker 1: getting barked at what was that? Okay that was my

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Speaker 1: wife says that was accurate. Okay, we're gonna end this now.

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