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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're demanding

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Speaker 1: the stead Buds do a live stream of the whole

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Speaker 1: unrivaled season, get a body cam for in game content,

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Speaker 1: whatever it takes, Truman show a twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: You won't. It's Tuesday, January sixth, and on today's show

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Speaker 1: will be announcing the winners of the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: slices the second annual Good Game with Sarah Spain Awards

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Speaker 1: for Excellence, Eminence, and Embarrassment in Women's Sports. Also, some

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Speaker 1: friends of the show returned to put a button on

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Speaker 1: our New Year's ponderings, discussing a big theme for us

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Speaker 1: this year, openness and willingness to change, plus shuffling up

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Speaker 1: and down the leaderboard, sliding to victory, and an Italian

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Speaker 1: athlete we're finding it impossible not to love. It's all

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Speaker 1: coming up right after this welcome back slices. Here's what

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Speaker 1: you need to know today. A few college hoop storylines

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Speaker 1: to tie up from the weekend, including Number twelve Vanderbilt

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Speaker 1: upsetting Number five l LSU sixty five to sixty one

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Speaker 1: With the win the Vanderbilt Commodores remained undefeated with a

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Speaker 1: fifteen to zero record to start the season. Oh and

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Speaker 1: by the way, those number twelve and number five rankings

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Speaker 1: I just mentioned they don't mean jack anymore because there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of movement following a handful of big

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Speaker 1: upsets this weekend. While the top four teams Yukon, Texas,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina, and UCLA all stayed put, pretty much everyone

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Speaker 1: else moved up or down with their two losses to

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Speaker 1: number twelve, while Vanderbilt climbed to number seven in the poll.

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Speaker 2: We'll link to the full top twenty five in the

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Speaker 1: Looking ahead. One big game on the schedule tonight, with

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Speaker 1: number twenty one USC hosting Oregon Trojans looking to bounce

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Speaker 1: back after getting thrashed by UCLA eighty to forty six

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Speaker 1: over the weekend. More hoops News Unrivaled tipped off yesterday

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Speaker 1: with a perfectly scripted finish to the opening game, co

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Speaker 1: founder Brianna Stewart hitting the game winner to lead her

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Speaker 1: miss team over the Hives seventy two to fifty six.

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Speaker 1: Alisha Gray led five Missed players and double digits She

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Speaker 1: There's one PWHL game on the schedule tonight, with the

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Speaker 1: for the first time this season with her sixth ranks

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Speaker 1: Seattle Torrent taken on the Boston Fleet at Aganis Arena

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Speaker 1: to the World of Sliding aka bob sleds, skeleton and luge.

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Speaker 1: All three sports had World Cup stops over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: with US athletes showing up in a big way first.

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Speaker 1: The Skeleton World Cup continued over the weekend with the

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Speaker 1: finished second to Austrias Janine Flock for her first podium

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Speaker 1: It's the seventh World Cup singles win for Britcher, who

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Speaker 1: already owns the record for most World Cup wins for

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Speaker 1: when we come back, honoring everything from fits to chips,

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Speaker 1: we unveil the winners of the twenty twenty five slices.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back slices, Alex, get in.

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Speaker 3: Here, Hello again Hello.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of votes for the slices, nearly

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Speaker 1: the Good Game election. I guess we'll call it very

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Speaker 1: good to see everyone taking their civic duty seriously.

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Speaker 3: I just hope that they have the same seriousness for

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Speaker 3: the midterms later this.

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Speaker 1: Year, one would hope. Yes. I also loved the writ ins.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps fewer of those for the midterms. I think we

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Speaker 1: in sports, but also to see which ones of our

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Speaker 1: up with the winner of the Brandy chest Ain Sports

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Speaker 1: Runner up was the Las Vegas Aces, battling back to

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Speaker 1: NCAA Volleyball tournament that was a really good one. Gotham

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Speaker 1: That will only happen if the organizers change the schedule,

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Speaker 1: got some writ ins for figure skater Alyssa Lews come

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Speaker 3: And watching the Stud Buds just has those same vibes,

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Speaker 1: They obviously made a name for themselves and for that

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Speaker 1: Eleven point eight percent went to kids going Wild whenever

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Speaker 1: One of the write ends, of course, was Asia posting

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Speaker 1: but nobody tapped Sid Colson. She honestly could have won

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Speaker 1: next award, the Justine Brown Everyone Watches Women's Sports Award

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Speaker 1: for our favorite marketing campaign of the year, and Nike's

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Speaker 2: They just nailed every every single second of each.

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Speaker 1: People also liked Angel Reese copywriting me bounds. That was

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Speaker 1: which was pretty cool. Everything about Unrivaled season one, that's

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Speaker 1: a very good vote. They really nailed every piece of

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Speaker 1: Not exactly a marketing campaign, but kind of everything Alona

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Speaker 3: Back to that self promotion that we discussed yesterday, but

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Speaker 1: Necessary Clark Award for Kaitlin Clarking given to a breakout star.

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Speaker 1: Forty seven point three percent said the debut leagues love

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Speaker 1: they win this one. Lindsey Vaughn coming back after five

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Speaker 1: a huge part of the Valkyrie's success. That is a

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Speaker 1: Another one that got a lot of votes that made

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Speaker 1: me so happy was the Unrival Draft with Er fight

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Speaker 1: Master and Aaron Foley, because I loved that so much

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Speaker 1: and it was so unhinged and off the cuff and

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Speaker 1: weird that I wasn't sure if everyone else loved it

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Speaker 1: as much as we did, but it got so many

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Speaker 1: votes and that made me really happy because I want

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Speaker 1: to do some more unhinged, silly, funny shows, and so

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Speaker 1: we appreciate the slices being all in on that with us.

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Speaker 1: So thank you to all of you, you guys, seriously,

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Speaker 1: just all the different answers and votes and write ins.

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Speaker 2: We just have the best listeners. They know they're shit,

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Speaker 2: al they do.

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Speaker 3: We have very smart listeners and they tell us when

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Speaker 3: we get stuff wrong, which scares me a little bit,

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Speaker 3: but we can be wrong Sarah.

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Speaker 1: That's right. That's an interesting point you're making. Maybe we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that later in today's show, Alex. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: we should probably be thoughtful this year and when things

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Speaker 1: are happening that might qualify for the slices, we should

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Speaker 1: like write them down somewhere. Do you think we'll remember that?

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Speaker 3: I literally have. I'm going to show it to you

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Speaker 3: right now and you can describe it to our listeners.

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Speaker 3: I have a bulletin board in front of my list.

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Speaker 3: I put this up probably in July of last year,

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Speaker 3: to remind myself to write stuff down. Sarah, what does

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Speaker 3: it say?

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Speaker 1: The list that was attached to her bulletin board says

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Speaker 1: slices and big letters and nothing else.

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Speaker 3: It's entirely blank, entirely blank. I'm setting an intention to

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Speaker 3: do better in twenty twenty six and write down things

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Speaker 3: as they happen.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, Alex, I like that you were

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Speaker 1: keeping an open mind about the slices. You didn't make

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Speaker 1: any opinions, you didn't make any decisions. You just stayed

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Speaker 1: wide open. Speaking of how does one stay open to

467
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Speaker 1: changing their mind and what does it mean to change

468
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Speaker 1: your mind, we'll get into it.

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Speaker 4: Next Welcome Back slices.

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Speaker 1: So I want to preface this by telling you about

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Speaker 1: something that happened back in December. I got this message

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Speaker 1: that frankly made my grinch heart grow three sizes. This

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Speaker 1: guy on social media messaged me directly and he said, quote, Hey, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: I know you probably won't see this, but I wanted

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Speaker 1: to reach out and apologize. I used to be a

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Speaker 1: fan of barstool, and I remember tweeting at you when

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Speaker 1: there was an argument between you two. I used to

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Speaker 1: be young, stupid, and angry, but I've grown up and

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Speaker 1: I'm really embarrassed about the person I used to be.

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Speaker 2: I'm really sorry. This message kind of blew my mind.

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Speaker 1: And you know, as they say in the headlines for

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Speaker 1: videos of like a fox who's friends with a deer,

483
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Speaker 1: or like a kid who gives his friend his ice

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Speaker 1: cream cone, I would say it restored my faith in humanity. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's probably not true. I think that ship has sailed

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Speaker 1: until we make some pretty wholesale changes on this doomed planet.

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Speaker 1: But it did feel good, and it did feel novel,

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Speaker 1: and I did feel hopeful after I got it. It

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Speaker 1: reminded me that some folks are actually willing to grow

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Speaker 1: and evolve and learn and take in new information and

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Speaker 1: change their minds. And this guy went on to say

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Speaker 1: that he was a big fan of me and my

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Speaker 1: coverage and the show, and I was kind of shocked

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Speaker 1: to imagine the ven diagram of the person who was

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Speaker 1: formerly a big barstool fan and now a big Good

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Speaker 1: Game fan. And it got me in producer Alex, thinking

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Speaker 1: about change and what does it take for someone to

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Speaker 1: change their mind and could a goal for us and

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Speaker 1: for everyone else in twenty six be the idea of

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Speaker 1: being willing and open to change. So I was listening

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Speaker 1: to the Happiness Lab podcast recently and there was a

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Speaker 1: psychologist on, doctor Diana Hill, and she said that curiosity

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Speaker 1: and openness is the new mindfulness, in fact, so much

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Speaker 1: so that a lab at UCSB is literally changing its

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Speaker 1: name from the Center of my mind fulness to the

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Speaker 1: Center of Openness.

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Speaker 2: And it kind of makes sense. I think that was such.

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Speaker 1: Very clear dividing lines right now in politics and social

509
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Speaker 1: issues these days, and the way the Internet sort of

510
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Speaker 1: rejects connection and discussion in favor of angry engagement and

511
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Speaker 1: sort of digging in our heels on an opinion that

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Speaker 1: the idea of openness and curiosity could actually be really

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Speaker 1: really key to all of us right now and in

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Speaker 1: sort of protecting ourselves from becoming the kind of people

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Speaker 1: who just dig in and argue on the internet. So

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Speaker 1: when we reached out to all those friends of the

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Speaker 1: show to ask them for their twenty twenty five memories

518
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Speaker 1: and twenty twenty six intentions, we decided to also ask

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Speaker 1: them for a time that they changed their mind. Now,

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Speaker 1: we did not demand depth or profundity. We just asked

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Speaker 1: for a real life example for their life. So we

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Speaker 1: got a little bit of lightness and a little bit

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Speaker 1: of depth. Here are a few of the responses that

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Speaker 1: we got. First. They are Laville, managing director at the Collective,

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Speaker 1: which is the women's division of the Wasserman Talent Agency,

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Speaker 1: and she shared one that I've actually been challenging myself

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Speaker 1: to stay open to learn about and better understand.

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Speaker 5: Your mind comes really with the ability and the humility

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Speaker 5: maybe to say that you might be wrong on something.

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Speaker 5: And so for me that really centered around in the

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Speaker 5: past two years, around my views on the Middle East,

532
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Speaker 5: which were really shaped by this kind of distance, headlines, noise,

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Speaker 5: a lot of different actions coming out of the region

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Speaker 5: as well, but when it came to women and women's sports,

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Speaker 5: I really wanted to lean in and ensure that my

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Speaker 5: assumptions weren't things that I was just carrying around, but

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Speaker 5: really that to dive in and try to understand it,

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Speaker 5: and so I did. I've explored the region several times,

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Speaker 5: I've been over many times, I've been to different parts

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Speaker 5: of the region.

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Speaker 3: I have really been able to stop kind of.

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Speaker 5: Defending what I thought I knew and started listening and learning.

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Speaker 1: And it turns out.

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Speaker 5: That's where the picture really got clearer for me, and

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Speaker 5: I was able to be more of a student of

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Speaker 5: what was happening not only in that region but around

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Speaker 5: the world for women and women's sports, which was very

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Speaker 5: interesting and cool to see different regions at different places,

549
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Speaker 5: but specific to the Middle East, really I see a

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Speaker 5: region making like real, intentional and serious bets on women

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Speaker 5: and women's sports, not just as this kind of symbolic gesture,

552
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Speaker 5: but really an investment and infrastructure and regional and ground

553
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Speaker 5: youth sports and programs that really come up through different regions,

554
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Speaker 5: really looking leaning in to make investment and influence shaped

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Speaker 5: by women there, from my senior leaders to young girls

556
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Speaker 5: getting into the game for the first time, So very

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Speaker 5: exciting way to change my mind and to feel kind

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Speaker 5: of surprised by that journey, I guess would be the

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Speaker 5: word I would use next.

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Speaker 1: Here's Nicole Hosey, hockey writer for the usc Cho and

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Speaker 1: the Victory Press.

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Speaker 6: A thing that I've changed my mind about is carrying

563
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Speaker 6: the reason somebody is at a sporting event, whether they

564
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Speaker 6: are interested in the sport, whether they got a free ticket,

565
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Speaker 6: whether they just want to take pictures for the Graham, whatever,

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Speaker 6: the reason is that somebody came through the door is

567
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Speaker 6: both irrelevant and none of my business. If they are

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Speaker 6: at that sporting event, that is an opportunity for me

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Speaker 6: to make a friend and also to introduce something that

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Speaker 6: I love. And so I think there used to be

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Speaker 6: a bit more pitting women against each other or proving that,

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Speaker 6: you know, I'm not like other girls and I belong here.

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Speaker 6: It's very early two thousands, having graduated and attempting to

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Speaker 6: break into sports journalism mindset, you know, being anti pink

575
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Speaker 6: hat and all those silly little things. Some of it's

576
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Speaker 6: getting older and some of it is just understanding that

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Speaker 6: like we need as women need to be together and

578
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Speaker 6: not fighting with each other. There's enough people that stand

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Speaker 6: in our way. So I think that's a big thing

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Speaker 6: that I changed in my mind about was caring what

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Speaker 6: got somebody into sports or what got them through the door,

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Speaker 6: and instead just being interested in learning people's story and hopefully,

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Speaker 6: you know, introducing them to something that I'm so passionate about.

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Speaker 1: Here's Andrea Yack, co founder of Minnesota Aurora and chair

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Speaker 1: of the Aurora FC Board.

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Speaker 7: A time I changed my mind about something is cheerleaders.

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Speaker 7: When I was younger, I thought the cheerleaders were just

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Speaker 7: in it to meet the athletes. And only later, as

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Speaker 7: I became an adult and started to get to know

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Speaker 7: the cheerleaders did I realize that they loved the sports

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Speaker 7: as much as I did, that they worked incredibly hard,

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Speaker 7: really long days, and that they were every bit as

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Speaker 7: dedicated to their profession as I was. We were just

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Speaker 7: supporting sports in a different way.

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Speaker 1: Next Aaron Foley, comedian, TV writer and the co host

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Speaker 1: and producer of the podcast Origin Story the eighty five RS.

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Speaker 1: I love this one.

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Speaker 8: So I was doing stand up comedy in New York

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Speaker 8: City for about five years, and my mind was set

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Speaker 8: that I was not going to talk about my personal

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Speaker 8: life because it was too scary and vulnerable, and it

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Speaker 8: was too it was just too much to even think about.

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Speaker 8: But then I started watching you know, all my favorites

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Speaker 8: in New York, and why I love them so much

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Speaker 8: is because, like they talked about their personal life, and

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Speaker 8: so I changed my mind and I was like, I've

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Speaker 8: got to try this because also talking about my personal

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Speaker 8: life was talking about.

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Speaker 3: Being gay and dating and all of it.

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Speaker 8: So anyway, it changed my mind, and it changed everything

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Speaker 8: because stand up became so much more fun and such

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Speaker 8: a better connection with the audience, and yeah, it just, yeah,

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Speaker 8: it changed everything. But it was very hard to get there.

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Speaker 1: It was very hard to get there. It's very hard

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Speaker 1: to change my change my mind. Yeah, about six years

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Speaker 1: finally Shimmy Miller broadcast in studio Analysts, and she's got

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Speaker 1: one of the more fascinating sliding doors career stories I've

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Speaker 1: ever heard. I did not know this about her.

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Speaker 4: A time I changed my mind about something, it actually

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Speaker 4: changed the total trajectory of my life.

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Speaker 1: Little known fact.

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Speaker 4: I was a police officer right out of college, and

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Speaker 4: two years into the career, I changed my mind. I

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Speaker 4: didn't want to do it anymore, and in very dramatic fashion.

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Speaker 4: I walked into my chief's office and slid my badge

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Speaker 4: and gun across this desk and said, I changed my mind.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to do this anymore. I don't like

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Speaker 4: who I'm becoming. I don't like what I see every day.

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Speaker 4: It's stealing my joy. I'm out and changing my mind

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Speaker 4: about being a cop. It changed my whole life because

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Speaker 4: it drove me back into sports, first as a professional athlete,

632
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Speaker 4: then a college basketball coach for twenty five years, and

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Speaker 4: now as a broadcaster. But everything that I have of

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Speaker 4: any significance, my friends, my wife, where I live is

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Speaker 4: because I changed my mind on that day.

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Speaker 1: So thanks to all of them for sending And I

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Speaker 1: sort of considered these answers from our friends just a little,

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Speaker 1: tiny dipped toe into the change waters, a really good start.

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Speaker 1: But in the future I might force folks to dig

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Speaker 1: a little deeper for a profound change, like really meaningful

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Speaker 1: examples of perspective that shifted, Alex, do you have one

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Speaker 1: of those that you're willing to share about changing your

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Speaker 1: mind about something?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I changed my mind on abortion. Wow, And like

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Speaker 3: in some ways, it was like, I guess, a coming

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Speaker 3: of age type of thing, like because it happened when

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Speaker 3: I was in college, but I'd say that, like, when

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Speaker 3: I started college, I was pro life, although I now

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00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: hate that term, but yeah, I distinctly remember having a

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Speaker 3: conversation with a friend of mine in college and being like,

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Speaker 3: I think people should live with the choices that they make,

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Speaker 3: and I very much support abortion rights. Now, I still

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Speaker 3: feel like I have a little bit more of a

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Speaker 3: gray area than what I think a lot of like

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Speaker 3: abortion activists portray in that. There was a really fantastic

656
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Speaker 3: two part series a couple of years ago from the

657
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Speaker 3: More Perfect podcast about like the original Roe v. Wade

658
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Speaker 3: decision and how the viability line was initially defined. And

659
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Speaker 3: one of the things they discussed though, is how the

660
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Speaker 3: term baby has been totally nixed by the pro abortion

661
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Speaker 3: movement and yet for a lot of people who experience

662
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Speaker 3: pregnancy loss like they have lost their baby, and how

663
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Speaker 3: it creates this really tough division where somebody who is

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Speaker 3: supportive of abortion rights isn't allowed to consider their baby

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Speaker 3: their baby because they don't want it to be harmful

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Speaker 3: to the overall goal R and I. And that just

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Speaker 3: really resonated with me because I'm like, I struggle with

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Speaker 3: it a little bit still, but like also very much

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Speaker 3: want people to have access to healthcare.

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Speaker 1: I feel like language without context and weaponized language is

671
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Speaker 1: problematic in so many instances that are similar to that one,

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Speaker 1: whether it be trans inclusion or other major hot button topics.

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Speaker 1: Is this idea of turning the intent of something into

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Speaker 1: something that you can use as a sort of cudgel

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Speaker 1: instead of the intent behind it. I've been ruminating on

676
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Speaker 1: something kind of similar lately, so as someone who has

677
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Speaker 1: chosen not to have children, and I'm very happy with

678
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Speaker 1: that decision. I really hate when people say start a family,

679
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Speaker 1: because I have a family, and I don't think when

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Speaker 1: you have kids you're starting a family. You could say

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Speaker 1: growing a family. But I also am not going to

682
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Speaker 1: hold it against people who use that terminology. I'm not

683
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Speaker 1: like mad at them for that. I just think it

684
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Speaker 1: feels limiting to people who can't have kids or choose

685
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Speaker 1: not to have them, and the same thing applies to that.

686
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Speaker 1: It's like, yes, you can call that thing, even the

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Speaker 1: idea of that thing your baby. Right Like, let's say

688
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Speaker 1: you find out you can't have kids, the idea of

689
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Speaker 1: having them can still be baby that you feel like

690
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Speaker 1: you lost. But Also I understand how specificity of language

691
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Speaker 1: can be used and really damaging in dangerous ways that

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Speaker 1: prevent rights and access for people. I'm really glad you

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Speaker 1: offered up one that's pretty serious, because I have two

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Speaker 1: that are a little bit serious, and I'll I'll just

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Speaker 1: do them quickly.

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Speaker 2: But it sort of makes me cringe and like feel.

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Speaker 1: Bad that I used to feel differently. But I think

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Speaker 1: that's the point is you're supposed to be able to

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Speaker 1: look back and be like, I didn't have enough information

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Speaker 1: or lived experience, and now I change my mind, and

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Speaker 1: like that's what we want from people. So one is

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Speaker 1: I remember in college thinking that like being bisexual was

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Speaker 1: like made up, I like not really like if someone

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Speaker 1: I knew was actually telling me about it, I'd be

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Speaker 1: like okay.

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Speaker 2: But I kind of just thought, how do you like everyone?

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Speaker 1: Don't you have to be like, I'm attracted to men,

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Speaker 1: So isn't that like you're either attracted to men or women?

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Speaker 1: Like that's how it is. And then very soon after,

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Speaker 1: like within five years or so, I remember being like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I get it. They're just like attracted to a person.

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Speaker 1: And that's not to say that bisexual people don't care

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Speaker 1: about the body parts. It's that for me personally, I

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Speaker 1: was like, don't you have to like one or the other?

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Speaker 1: Isn't it the natural instinct to be into one set

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Speaker 1: of body parts or the other set of body parts?

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Speaker 1: And now I realized that absolutely not, that's not it

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Speaker 1: at all. But having been very straight and surrounded entirely

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Speaker 1: pretty much by straight people for my entire life up

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Speaker 1: until after college, it just didn't really feel accessible to

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Speaker 1: me to understand the nuances of sexuality in that way.

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Speaker 1: We weren't having the same conversations because I'm again quite

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Speaker 1: old back in the day, and there weren't any openly

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Speaker 1: gay people around me in college, which is pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: Now my teammates and people I know are now openly gay,

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Speaker 1: but they weren't in high school or college.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I'm a little bit younger than you, and that

728
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Speaker 3: was true for many of my teammates in college. And

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Speaker 3: I went to women's college.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, all mices. They should have just been

731
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Speaker 1: getting after it.

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Speaker 3: But that's so interesting, Sarah, because I also maybe, even

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Speaker 3: as you're saying this, I realize, like I think I

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Speaker 3: sometimes maybe still personally struggle a little bit, like I

735
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Speaker 3: can understand very much somebody who's bisexual, like as they're dating,

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Speaker 3: and then I find it interesting, right when they get

737
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Speaker 3: married commit like it feels really hard to not then

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Speaker 3: associate their like quote unquote final destination, like they made

739
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Speaker 3: a choice, Like, no, they're still bisexual, They're just in

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Speaker 3: a relationship. And I think that feels a little bit

741
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Speaker 3: like a stuck point in just like my own brain

742
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Speaker 3: a little bit. Yeah, to work on that one.

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Speaker 1: That's a good one to work on. I feel like

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Speaker 1: anyone having been married for almost ten years now, your

745
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: final destination doesn't mean that that's the only one you

746
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Speaker 1: ever could have ended up with. It just means it's

747
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Speaker 1: the best choice or the best choice for now. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I h the other one I have is more embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: But again the results of a very sheltered, sort of

750
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Speaker 1: limited life existence. I grew up in a very privileged

751
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Speaker 1: area that was predominantly white. Then I went to an

752
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Speaker 1: ivy League school that had more diversity but was still

753
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Speaker 1: very specific kind of space, and my own opinions of

754
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Speaker 1: myself and the decisions I made it kind of sound

755
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Speaker 1: a little bit like yours, Like, well, everyone should just

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Speaker 1: live with their decisions, And I guess that's how it goes.

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Speaker 1: I was like the kind of person that was like, well,

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Speaker 1: if you're getting stopped by the police, then you probably

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Speaker 1: did something wrong. Or if you hate the police, or

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Speaker 1: if you're afraid of the police, or if you're worried

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Speaker 1: about the police not helping you, it's probably because you

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Speaker 1: have a reason to which means like you're a problem,

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Speaker 1: or you've done something wrong, or you're worried because you

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Speaker 1: do That is so untrue, and the mountain of evidence

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Speaker 1: continues to grow with each day. And yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: I think at the time I was like, well, I

767
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Speaker 1: don't do anything illegal, so I don't worry about the police,

768
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Speaker 1: and neither should anyone else if they're a good person.

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Speaker 1: And it's just so privileged. And I remember reading glennam

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Speaker 1: Doyle's book. She has a chapter in Untamed that's about

771
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Speaker 1: the impact of media and what we sort of digest

772
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Speaker 1: without even paying attention and knowing that we're being propagandized.

773
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Speaker 1: And she speaks specifically to the show Cops.

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Speaker 2: And that we all grew up with a show where it.

775
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Speaker 1: Was entertainment to watch people, predominantly people of color, be

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Speaker 1: arrested and made an example of for their choices. And

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Speaker 1: like with zero context or nuance or understanding of what

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Speaker 1: was going on, but also being presented to us. And

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Speaker 1: there's a really great Howard Bryant piece about the role

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Speaker 1: of media in propagandizing America about police in America and

781
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Speaker 1: how many shows lionize police officers and teach us that

782
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Speaker 1: they're the saviors and all this other stuff.

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Speaker 2: And I just paw patrol, even Paw Patrol.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think part of growing up is recognizing

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Speaker 1: how many things you've internalized subconsciously as a result of

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00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: intention and not accident, and then deciding that you want

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Speaker 1: to unlearn it and move forward with a different perspective.

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Speaker 1: And that's how I feel about those things that I

789
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Speaker 1: change my mind about. Yeah, we did not give us

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Speaker 1: a prompt to our friends of the show to be

791
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Speaker 1: quite so deep as Alex and I went, but I

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Speaker 1: think we are really fascinated in how you change your minds,

793
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Speaker 1: particularly when there's such a giant percentage of our country

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Speaker 1: right now that we wish would change their minds.

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Speaker 3: But I want to encourage more people to be able

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Speaker 3: to engage with topics that allow them to take a

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Speaker 3: stance based in their morals and their ethics. And the

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Speaker 3: way that they want the world to look, while still

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Speaker 3: acknowledging that maybe they have some doubts or reservations and

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Speaker 3: those are fine as well, and that if you don't

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Speaker 3: allow people to have some grace in seeing things as

802
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: more complicated, that it's really, really then hard to convince

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Speaker 3: somebody to change their opinion on something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just respecting people's gray areas as potentially

805
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Speaker 1: the result of their experiences and perspective as a host

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Speaker 1: to them being under educated or flat out wrong would

807
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Speaker 1: allow for better conversations and discussion than what we do now,

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00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: which is to presume that that person knows nothing and

809
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: that they're believing something or the other because they've been misinformed.

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Speaker 1: There's a podcast called You Are Not So Smart, and

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Speaker 1: the host had an author on who wrote a book

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Speaker 1: about changing minds, and there was this wild statistic about

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Speaker 1: like how rare it is for someone to change their

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Speaker 1: mind because you just give them information like there, if

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Speaker 1: it's something serious that they've dug their heels in on,

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Speaker 1: they're less likely to change their mind because you give

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Speaker 1: them information about how they're wrong, And they're more likely

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Speaker 1: to change them if you ask them questions about why

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Speaker 1: they have that opinion, and they talk themselves out of

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Speaker 1: their own opinion. Why did you vote for that person?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: What percentage would you say voted? Oh, seventy five percent?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, seventy five percent? Why would you not say

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Speaker 1: one hundred? Then they start listing the things wrong with

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Speaker 1: the person they voted for and start to have a

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Speaker 1: conversation about what's wrong, instead of you yelling at them

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Speaker 1: for being a moron for making that decision, them getting

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Speaker 1: defensive and bearing their head in the sand. Anyway, this

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Speaker 1: is a conversation for another time in full, but I

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Speaker 1: wanted to bring it up because you and I both

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Speaker 1: think in this show and in general, having those nuanced

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Speaker 1: and tough conversations is really important. And giving people grace

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00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: for having differing opinions on these things and welcoming them

834
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Speaker 1: in instead of calling them out might be more useful

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Speaker 1: in the future. And so we're going to check back

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Speaker 1: in with this. I was listening to yet another podcast.

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Speaker 1: Gretchen Rubin, who's a habit change expert author of The

838
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Speaker 1: Happiness Project, was on NPR's Life Kit podcast, and she

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Speaker 1: suggested marking a dan your calendar in late February is

840
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Speaker 1: sort of like your accountability day to see if you've

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Speaker 1: stuck to your resolutions or your intentions, and then also

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Speaker 1: marking July second as the halfway point to the year

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Speaker 1: to check in with yourself again. So I think we'll

844
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Speaker 1: take that advice here will mark a point near the

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Speaker 1: end of February or early March to see how we're

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Speaker 1: all doing, not just with the intentions that we set

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Speaker 1: in yesterday's show, but also sort of the idea of

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Speaker 1: being open to change, changing ourselves if desired, changing our

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Speaker 1: you have a really memorable change of mind to share,

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Speaker 1: we would love to hear it and add you to

852
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Speaker 1: Italian skeleton athlete Alessandro Fumagali has a headshot that pops

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Speaker 1: up next to her name when she's about to race,

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Speaker 1: and it's not just the usual smiling, floating head. Alessandra

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Speaker 1: brought a full plate of spaghetti to the media center

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Speaker 1: for her photos, and so her headshot shows her holding

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Speaker 1: a giant played of spaghetti and the other hand lifting

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Speaker 1: this overflowing fork full of pasta into her mouth like

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Speaker 1: she's literally eating this giant mouthful of spaghetti in her photo,

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Speaker 1: which absolute legend. And in his headshot, her Italian teammate

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Speaker 1: Mattia Gaspari is sipping an espresso like the most Italian

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Speaker 1: things ever, no notes the Italians win. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: link to a behind the scenes video of Alessandra shooting

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Speaker 1: that headshot and bringing the spaghetti to the green screen.

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Speaker 1: It's so good. Also got a shout out Ken Childs

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Speaker 1: of sliding on ice dot Com for sharing those headshots

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Speaker 1: he was covering the event where they popped up, and

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Speaker 1: his sight sliding on ice dot com and Ken himself.

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Speaker 1: They're just must follows if you're into the sliding sports.

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Speaker 1: He's at the Kenchild's dot com on Blue Sky. We'll

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Speaker 1: link to both of those in the show notes. All right,

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Speaker 1: now it's your turn slices, rate and review. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 1: See you tomorrow. Good game, housing spaghetti in your headshot,

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Speaker 1: You to the people who claim they've never been wrong

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