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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Seahawks insiders.

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Speaker 2: Gino looks go way it up over the top. Gott

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Speaker 2: a man out there.

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Speaker 3: It is Locker, He's got a touchdown.

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Speaker 4: Sey Hawks getting you ready for Seahawks football every Sunday,

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Speaker 4: first and ten.

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Speaker 3: At the Seattle forty play fake the staffer gonna stop,

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Speaker 3: gonna look, gets hit, goes down back a midfield getting

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Speaker 3: to him in the backfield is Darryl Taylor.

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Speaker 4: Presented by Delta, the official airline of the Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: Now here's your host, Jen Mueller.

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Speaker 1: Hello, twelves. It's good to be talking to you again.

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Speaker 5: It is a little bit weird to talk to you

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Speaker 5: this much during the off season because it hasn't really

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Speaker 5: been an off season yet. I know John Boyle has

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Speaker 5: been furiously writing articles for Seahawks dot Com. It feels

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Speaker 5: like the season actually hasn't ended. But it did, yeah,

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Speaker 5: because I was watching football on the couch.

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Speaker 4: It's a very different offseason than past years for us

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Speaker 4: because changing head coaches is a big deal and it

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Speaker 4: leads to a lot of stuff we haven't dealt with

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Speaker 4: in the last decade and a half.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of change, there's a lot of energy

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of conversation, there's a lot coming up

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Speaker 5: for the organization, and look, every week we try to

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Speaker 5: add context, perspective and insight on what's happening with a team,

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Speaker 5: whether we're talking about an upcoming game or a matchup

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Speaker 5: or some stats that we saw, Because John, you and

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Speaker 5: I have worked around this team in various ways for

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Speaker 5: decades now. Right, we've been employed by the team, but

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Speaker 5: we have also worked with a team as employees of

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Speaker 5: other departments, So we've engaged with these folks for a

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Speaker 5: number of years. And I think today it's helpful, after

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Speaker 5: hearing from John Schneider, I think it's helpful to pull

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Speaker 5: back the curtain a little bit and maybe share some

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Speaker 5: of the personality because you and I get a chance

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Speaker 5: regular basis, and I think I think we've got some

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Speaker 5: different stories about him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, I'm excited to see him stepping in

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Speaker 4: the limelight a little bit more because, as you said,

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Speaker 4: we've gotten to see that personality. Really fun guy, great

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Speaker 4: sense of humor. And you know, Pete Carroll is such

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Speaker 4: a massive personality, such a well known figure in football,

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Speaker 4: that he was always sort of the dominant figure in

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Speaker 5: I think we're gonna share a couple of personal insights.

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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna start with this. I think one of

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Speaker 5: the most telling things about John Schneider is the way

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Speaker 5: that we travel and how he greets people getting off

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Speaker 5: the bus. So when we travel, anytime you're going to

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Speaker 5: charter buses. There are assigned seats the front. The rest

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Speaker 5: of us sit at the back. John Schneider is always

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Speaker 5: sitting in the very front row. He is always one

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Speaker 2: He's gone for everybody getting us.

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Speaker 5: Single person who leaves the bus every single time. It

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Speaker 5: does not matter if we have won, if we have lost,

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Speaker 5: if it is raining, if it is sunny.

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Speaker 1: His disposition, Yeah, it's exactly.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to say it's pete, but this culture

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Speaker 5: doesn't exist without both of them. And John is that positive, optimistic,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure he wouldn't mind us sharing this. One thing

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Speaker 4: you know, when we're in California and being escorted by

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Speaker 1: Like it's a tour guy, Yeah, tour over here.

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Speaker 2: You'll see.

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Speaker 4: He threw in some personal things about you know, I

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Speaker 2: He's a hoot to be around.

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Speaker 4: And again I think he's again the organization isn't gonna

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he has got some great one liners. In fact,

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Speaker 5: I don't have the same crowd as Pete Carroll. I mean,

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Speaker 1: What those numbers and what that overall record said.

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Speaker 3: Hey, however, you look at this. We are all here

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Speaker 3: today because we underachieved in twenty twenty three. We all did.

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Speaker 3: Now we're in a situation where, you know, we all

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Speaker 3: the community, Jody, everybody in this building deserves better. We

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Speaker 3: overachieved in twenty twenty two, and quite frankly, we underachieved

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Speaker 3: it's the time for all of us to look in

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Speaker 4: I did find that point he made about twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: Outside of this building, the expectations were not high for

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Speaker 4: this wasn't just like outside unrealistic expectations. The coaching staff,

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Speaker 4: big things last year in twenty twenty three, I should say,

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Speaker 4: ultimately it wasn't enough.

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Speaker 5: Well, and you look at that twenty twenty two team.

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Speaker 5: First of all, those are two huge draft classes in

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Speaker 1: You had to choose from.

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Speaker 5: And I think you look across the board at all

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's as much as we're disappointed about the

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Speaker 4: very bright future for this organization. And John Enyer touched

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Speaker 4: on that, like why this this is an attractive job

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Speaker 4: you have, you know, I think it was. They started

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Speaker 3: With here, you know.

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Speaker 5: And it was funny because you talk about being in

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Speaker 5: a new position. John and his staff were in a

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Speaker 5: new position two years ago. Yeah, you hadn't had that

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Speaker 5: You know, this last year you have two first round picks.

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Speaker 5: It's a new experience. So for all of the.

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Speaker 1: Talk about man, this is new, this is new, this

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Speaker 5: They've had new experiences, significantly new experiences in each of

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Speaker 5: not something that they are afraid of. Or unaccustomed to.

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Speaker 5: Also the longevity that he had with Pete Carroll, It

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Speaker 5: truly is amazing. And if you go back to what

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Speaker 5: Pete said of look, just thought I'd take a run

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Speaker 3: Again, just very very blessed to have worked with Pete

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Speaker 3: to explain to you, you know, pretty emotional press conference

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Speaker 3: a very very historic partnership and amazing, amazing level of

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Speaker 3: I look forward to being able to call it Pete

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Speaker 4: Obviously you hear the emotion there from John. I mean

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Speaker 4: this is these guys were as close about as any

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Speaker 4: Let's get two guys in here at the same time,

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Speaker 4: just nail that where we had more than a decade

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Speaker 2: You know, they talked about it. Both those guys.

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Speaker 4: Talked about like a marriage and this friendship they had

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Speaker 4: and it's going to be kind of really interesting to

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Speaker 2: But man, they both did some awesome work together.

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Speaker 5: And it was so unconventional the way that they hired

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Speaker 3: That's it. Our culture, and then how are we evolving

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Speaker 5: There's a few things on that interview process. And I

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Speaker 5: He is very thoughtful in how he approaches all of this,

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Speaker 3: And it's just that opportunity to learn from all these

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Speaker 5: Also, if you like the movie Brothers or Wedding Crashers

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Speaker 4: I would like someone to come in there and interview

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Speaker 2: With quotes from most comedies. Gosh, I think you might

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Speaker 5: I'm going to have to go watch this about forty fee.

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Speaker 4: Someone needs to come in with a friend and both

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, step brothers for the job.

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Speaker 1: I love where we're going with this.

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Speaker 2: I really hope that we're that coaching Candidates.

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Speaker 5: since he put together his original book of coaching Candidates.

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Speaker 5: You had a great question when you asked what's changed

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Speaker 5: in the last fourteen years. I'm going to be honest,

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Speaker 5: I did not anticipate this would be part of his answer.

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Speaker 3: It's a great question. John. We going through the questionnaire

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Speaker 3: and looking over all the questions. I didn't have sports

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Speaker 3: science in there. I didn't have a heavy load of

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Speaker 3: analytics in there. So I think that's probably the two

447
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Speaker 3: things that are the standout the most. How that's evolved.

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Speaker 3: Returned to play, you know, knowing when to take players

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Speaker 3: off the field and balance that with the coaching staff

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Speaker 3: for practice.

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Speaker 2: What does that look like to people?

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Speaker 3: I think that's probably the you know, but when you

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Speaker 3: get into you know, the leadership, strategic, you know, advancements,

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Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, that's that's all pretty much

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Speaker 3: stay the same. I mean, not the strategic part obviously

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Speaker 3: with the analytics, but those two things stand out, sports

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Speaker 3: science and analytics.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's funny because I didn't really ask that question expecting

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Speaker 4: that type of answer either. I was more thinking, like,

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Speaker 4: what is your experience in fourteen years of a GM,

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Speaker 4: working with Pete whatever changed maybe what you're looking for

463
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Speaker 4: in a coach. But I enjoyed the road that went

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Speaker 4: down because it's something that I hadn't really given all

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Speaker 4: a thought to. But that is where the game has

466
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Speaker 4: really changed, you know, the analytics, but also like we

467
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Speaker 4: forget how much the game has changed for player safety

468
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Speaker 4: wise in a good way in you know, in the

469
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Speaker 4: time since those two got here of you you go

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Speaker 4: back to I mean I can picture hits Cam Chancellor

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Speaker 4: had that we all celebrated. Yeah, that knock dudes unconscious,

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Speaker 4: and knocked Cam Chanceller unconscious at least once, so thankfully

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Speaker 4: we're working on getting that out of the game. It's

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Speaker 4: never perfect because it's just such a violent sport, but

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Speaker 4: that side of it's really interesting, Like, okay, you know

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Speaker 4: what's what's changed and just how we treat players.

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Speaker 5: I expected him to go down the road of well,

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Speaker 5: offense or defense. It's a lot harder it play defense, right,

479
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Speaker 5: Like you want a quarterback driven league, Like there's I

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Speaker 5: expected him to start talking more about the x'es and

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Speaker 5: o's than that, But you know, I would also say

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Speaker 5: that is one of the places where if you talk

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Speaker 5: about sports science and analytics, Seattle's been on.

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Speaker 1: The forefront of both of those things, right.

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Speaker 5: So that's nothing new, and they've been great at embracing change.

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Speaker 5: But when it comes to the x's and o's, everybody's

487
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Speaker 5: trying to figure it out, like is he going to

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Speaker 5: go offense?

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Speaker 1: Is he going to go defense? Special teams?

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Speaker 5: I just don't know that many special teams coordinators out

491
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Speaker 5: there enough, So I'm going to include that, right coordinators

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Speaker 5: guys with that experience. I am not going to pretend

493
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Speaker 5: to read between the lines of anything that Johnson said,

494
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Speaker 5: but we do have his general thoughts on which phase

495
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Speaker 5: of the game makes a better head coach or the

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Speaker 5: head coach that he might be looking for.

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Speaker 3: I think you definitely have to look at the history.

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Speaker 3: You have to look at you know, the different experiences

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Speaker 3: that those individuals have had. You know, we've done a

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Speaker 3: ton of study on that already. You know, we've been

501
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Speaker 3: looking at it for years. You know, special teams coaches

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Speaker 3: especially are you know, when you look at coach Harbaugh,

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Speaker 3: I apologize for some of the other coaches that I'm

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Speaker 3: missing there, but he obviously he stands out with all

505
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Speaker 3: the success they've had in Baltimore. And you know, when

506
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Speaker 3: you're when you're when you're the special teams coach, you

507
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Speaker 3: have a really good feel for and you're in the

508
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Speaker 3: midst of who's going to be inactive, active all throughout

509
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Speaker 3: the week and the planning on both sides of the

510
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Speaker 3: ball with you know, the offensive staff and the defensive

511
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Speaker 3: staff and what what both groups are looking for. And

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Speaker 3: so it's it's there's a balance too of you know, Okay,

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Speaker 3: if you hire a defensive coach you're gonna and he

514
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Speaker 3: hires a really good offensive coordinator, and then that that

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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator is gonna leave the next year, Then what

516
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Speaker 3: kind of consistency are you going to have with the quarterback?

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Speaker 3: If you go back and look at you know, the

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Speaker 3: San Francisco forty nine ers when we hired coach McCarthy

519
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Speaker 3: in Green Bay, they just drafted Alex Smith and so

520
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Speaker 3: they had like three different offensive coordinators. So that got things,

521
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Speaker 3: you know, a little bit wonky for his career early

522
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Speaker 3: in the mix. So you have to look at those things.

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Speaker 3: And if you hire a great offensive coordinator or a

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Speaker 3: guy who's gonna be a good play caller, you know,

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Speaker 3: where's the strength as the defensive coordinator and you know

526
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Speaker 3: what kind of consistency and philosophy strategy is that guy

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Speaker 3: going to have and how long is he gonna be

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Speaker 3: able to stick around too? So staff development and u procurement,

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Speaker 3: I think that's extremely important, regardless if it's a offensive guy,

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Speaker 3: defensive guy, or special teams guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the last part of that about staff procurement and development,

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Speaker 4: I think we both kind of perked up when we

533
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Speaker 4: heard that, because that's only what it comes down to

534
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Speaker 4: is if you hopefully get this higher right and have

535
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Speaker 4: a lot of success, whichever side of the ball it is,

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Speaker 4: you're going to have people are going to come for

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Speaker 4: your coaches. You know whether it's you know, we see

538
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Speaker 4: it every year. Some of the top defensive guys and

539
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Speaker 4: offensive guys are the main can coordinators are the main

540
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Speaker 4: cannis for jobs. So you know, I do, I do

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Speaker 4: think there's a case to be made when you look

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Speaker 4: the offensive side of kind of that continuity with the

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Speaker 4: offense and the play calling and the quarterback. And you know,

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Speaker 4: he mentioned Alex Smith and San Francisco. You know, we

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Speaker 4: saw it with you know, Dan Quinn and the Falcons

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Speaker 4: and they lose Shanahan and obviously he's done great things

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Speaker 4: with forty nine ers, but the same thing can happen.

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Speaker 4: You know, we've seen teams lose defensive coordinators and struggle

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Speaker 4: on that side of the ball. So more than anything,

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Speaker 4: it's you know, goal number one is get the right

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Speaker 4: head coach. But goal number two is have it be

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Speaker 4: a guy that will, regardless of if they lose guys,

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Speaker 4: be able to continue to find the right coaches and

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Speaker 4: or develop them.

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Speaker 1: That is always a key thing.

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Speaker 5: And what I here too is it doesn't really matter

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Speaker 5: what your philosophy is. You have to be able to

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Speaker 5: marry offense and defense. It doesn't I don't care if

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Speaker 5: you want to three run a three four or four

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Speaker 5: to three. I don't care if you want a ground

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Speaker 5: and pound in the run game, if you want to open,

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Speaker 5: I don't care. But offense and defense has to be

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Speaker 5: married together. I will point out, because I heard it

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Speaker 5: pointed out elsewhere, the two teams that got buys this

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Speaker 5: week and on their divisions, both of them exceptional at

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Speaker 5: running the ball and playing hard hitting defense. I'm just

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Speaker 5: going to point that one out, and.

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Speaker 4: I want one is one of the few special teams

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Speaker 4: background guys leading Yahoos Special Teams coordinator.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really interesting, but like we've pointed out, John

571
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Speaker 5: and his staff, they have a tremendous amount of information

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Speaker 5: they've already gathered from years of interviews at the Combine

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Speaker 5: or just networking with people. The fact that John goes

574
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Speaker 5: out and scouts college teams when we're on the road,

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Speaker 5: I mean he is constantly out kind of working that

576
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Speaker 5: networking angle of things. So I am sure that he

577
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Speaker 5: is well. He said he's had an influx of text

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Speaker 5: and phone calls and people who want to talk to him.

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Speaker 2: About a guy a Pop Warner coach down the road.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, they're leaving no stone on terms

581
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Speaker 5: I can take a guess as to where they are

582
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Speaker 5: in the process. We can all surmise where they are

583
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Speaker 5: in the process. But how about if we hear from

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Speaker 5: John Schneider where things stand with the coaching search.

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Speaker 3: We're very much in the initial there's a initial processes, right,

586
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Speaker 3: so you know, fifteen years ago it was a totally

587
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Speaker 3: different setup. There's a lot of things we need to

588
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Speaker 3: to a lot of boxes that need to be checked,

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Speaker 3: and we need to make sure we're staying instead with

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Speaker 3: all the rules that are put in place. We've sent

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Speaker 3: in several consent forms and we're hoping to begin interviews tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's you know, as he alluded to, things

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Speaker 4: have changed in much more recently in the last fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: Even there's new rules.

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Speaker 4: I think this is the first year there in place

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Speaker 4: where you can't bring guys in for in person interviews

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Speaker 4: until after the visual round, which is coming up this weekend.

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Speaker 2: So it does slow the process down a little bit.

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Speaker 4: The idea of being leveling the playing field, so coaches

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Speaker 4: aren't essentially being penalized for you know, assistant coaches' job.

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Speaker 4: Candidates aren't being penalized for being on good teams. So

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Speaker 4: process is going to be a little slower probably than

603
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Speaker 4: what we've seen in past years. But you know, there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of names out there. Obviously you've seen them

605
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Speaker 4: on the internet. Probably if you're listening to this podcast

606
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Speaker 4: and care enough about the Seahawks, you know who some

607
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Speaker 4: of those names are. And they're gonna look at again,

608
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Speaker 4: just about everybody you can think of. So it'll probably be,

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Speaker 4: you know, not a really long dried out process, because

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Speaker 4: you've got to you know, you're competing with other teams

611
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Speaker 4: or seven openings right now, but they're going to make

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Speaker 4: sure they do it right.

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Speaker 1: There's also a combine coming up fairly quickly here.

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Speaker 5: You want to have some decisions made so that you

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Speaker 5: can add to that next group of talent, and whoever

616
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Speaker 5: is the head coach, they will inherit a very talented

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Speaker 5: team that John Schneider believes is right on the cusp

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Speaker 5: of winning. We have certainly seen some of those young

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Speaker 5: talents the last couple of years and John.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Oh, I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to see.

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Speaker 1: What John does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, going back to last week, like

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Speaker 4: it's a big change and you're kind of sad to

626
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Speaker 4: see things change.

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Speaker 2: Because Pete Carroll's meant so much to this franchise.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, now looking forward, there is

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Speaker 4: this excited operty for John, just you know, the excitement

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Speaker 4: of something different and see, you know, to see how

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Speaker 4: it all plays out.

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Speaker 5: And when we find out how it plays out, guess what.

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Speaker 5: We'll be back with you for another episode of the

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Speaker 5: Seahawks Insiders podcast