Speaker 1: I am all in. I am all in with Scott
Speaker 1: Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson,
Speaker 1: I am all in podcast, I Heart Radio one of
Speaker 1: leven Productions, and I am here with the ball Club,
Speaker 1: Riley Pellucist, Daniel Romo, Amy Sugarman, the One and Only,
Speaker 1: And this is haunted Leg. Whatever in the heck that
Speaker 1: means we can watch the whole episode. And then when
Speaker 1: you guys just said the title, I was like, the
Speaker 1: haunted leg is that is that in reference to Christopher
Speaker 1: in some way? Because he did appear as a ghost
Speaker 1: in that scene and haunted that scene and then disappeared
Speaker 1: on his mother's ahead, don't jump ahead, that's right. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Haunted We're going in order leg like
Speaker 1: l e G. Yeah, that's what it says. Haunted leg. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not haunted egg, not haunted, it's haunted leg. I'm reading
Speaker 1: that as season three episode to air date October one
Speaker 1: to Riley, take us away with your synopsis. So it's
Speaker 1: still awkward between Emily and Laura La until she intervenes
Speaker 1: when Christopher shows up to Friday night dinner and expectedly,
Speaker 1: Paris and Rory are sworn into the student body at Chiltern,
Speaker 1: but Paris is overbearing, ruling isn't sitting well with everyone else. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Rory has an awkward run in with Jess at the supermarket. Yes,
Speaker 1: that was okay, We're gonna go in order. I understand
Speaker 1: that I'm full of I'm full of sleep. I got
Speaker 1: a lot of sleep in the last two days. So
Speaker 1: are you gonna You're gonna have a lot to deal
Speaker 1: with here? What have you done in the last couple
Speaker 1: of days? Actually, obviously just TRUEV had any sleep, So
Speaker 1: I'm energized, and I've been on a writing jack. I've
Speaker 1: been writing songs, so I haven't got any I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's good necessarily, but well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have some news Amy about some fan reactions. Go ahead, well, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: so they like us going in order. That definitely has
Speaker 1: gotten a top notch review, which will do. But it's
Speaker 1: taking everything in my body. Did not jump to the
Speaker 1: last scene because it's like what I want to talk
Speaker 1: about so much, But we'll go Norma, No, do you
Speaker 1: want to give us give us your overall on the
Speaker 1: on the episode overall? Yeah, yeah, it didn't listen. Let
Speaker 1: me let me qualify this for the for you lovely fans. Um.
Speaker 1: I love to argue and I love the nitpick. I
Speaker 1: just love it. I love to analyze, I love to
Speaker 1: break it down. Why I'm having so much fun on
Speaker 1: this podcast. I have like minded people here with me. Um.
Speaker 1: I love these episodes. I love every single one of them.
Speaker 1: I love the show. I really enjoy watching them. I
Speaker 1: think they've done people a world of good. Um. It's
Speaker 1: a very positive force in my life, and it's a
Speaker 1: very positive force in everybody else's lives that is in
Speaker 1: this very sizeable global fan base. And I respect that,
Speaker 1: and I respect the show and the creators and the actors,
Speaker 1: and I love them all. And you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like I've been blessed with this, this gift of this show.
Speaker 1: And however, I am analytical and I don't like things
Speaker 1: to make sense, and I I am a bit of
Speaker 1: a snob when it comes to my craft and structure
Speaker 1: and logic and all that kind of thing. So that's
Speaker 1: all I'm doing. So, you know, don't kill the messenger here, please,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. I'm not saying you, I'm saying
Speaker 1: the fans, you know, because they won't. But I totally
Speaker 1: disagree with you disagree more so, I guess we'll just
Speaker 1: get into it. You disagree with that that I love
Speaker 1: the show and episode that you gave it kind of
Speaker 1: a thumbs to the side thumbs down, because I give
Speaker 1: it a double thumbs up, really double. Oh we're gonna
Speaker 1: be button heads today. Okay, So I guess I mean
Speaker 1: we'll let the games begin. Gentlemen's start your engines, alright, Alright,
Speaker 1: we open up so awkward Friday night dinner, very awkward
Speaker 1: where Rory's trying to keep in peace and uh, there's
Speaker 1: a mouse. So the discussion of the mouse. Got a
Speaker 1: problem with it right off the bat. What's she doing
Speaker 1: sitting there in her house in the first place? They
Speaker 1: just had this She just walked out on her the
Speaker 1: week before they had this massive abusive blowout. Where have
Speaker 1: you ever seen Laura Lae at a loss for words?
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Laura la not defend herself in
Speaker 1: a very passionate and very logical way, in a righteous way.
Speaker 1: I haven't. That's the first time I've seen her tucktail
Speaker 1: and just walk out because the abuse was so overwhelming
Speaker 1: that she just had to walk out because she just
Speaker 1: in her in her brain it was like, these people
Speaker 1: are crazy and abusive and I am out of here.
Speaker 1: And that's like a year long thing. That's like you
Speaker 1: make a phone call and you go, you know what,
Speaker 1: screw you, um take your money back. You want to
Speaker 1: pull her out of private school, go right ahead, you
Speaker 1: be that person. But we're not coming there until you
Speaker 1: apologize to me. Where the hell was that scene? Where's that? Laurelie?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, okay, So so that's an interesting point. I
Speaker 1: looked at it like moms and daughters just kind of fight,
Speaker 1: like it's just kind of how it goes. And but
Speaker 1: that wasn't a mom daughter fight. That was that. That
Speaker 1: was both of her parents just unloading on her. I agree,
Speaker 1: I agree, But at the same time, in families, you
Speaker 1: kind of just show up the next Friday and do
Speaker 1: it all again. Not my family, not how I grew up.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we have like a huge blowout. Pass
Speaker 1: the turkey, Like what about you guys? I agree, I
Speaker 1: I we passed the turkey too, But this this fight,
Speaker 1: in particular, it would have given at least one more
Speaker 1: It would have been one week of not passing turkey,
Speaker 1: and then the week after we would have talked, right,
Speaker 1: and do you guys feel like, okay, you just move
Speaker 1: forward and you show up for Friday night dinner or
Speaker 1: does everything need to be discussed. That's the thing that
Speaker 1: the Gilmore seemed to not do, like they never resolve
Speaker 1: it because they don't really talk about it. Obviously, we
Speaker 1: have a big tin at the end. But that's what
Speaker 1: I thought it right, that's what I thought it needed.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was hoping that the episode was going
Speaker 1: to begin with phone call from Laurelize saying, Mom, we
Speaker 1: need to sit down and talk and get this you
Speaker 1: know stuff right, because I'm not going to sit through
Speaker 1: another tongue lashing like that. You are not going to
Speaker 1: abuse me anymore, and I will take Roryotte at Chilton
Speaker 1: or or you if if you want to take Rorriotte
Speaker 1: of Chilton, that's fine. I'm renegging on the deal. I
Speaker 1: didn't sign up for this. I agreed to this would
Speaker 1: come Friday nights, but I didn't agree to take your
Speaker 1: you know what, it's not very Gilmoury. It is, it is,
Speaker 1: but it's very it's very laurel I. It's very Laureal
Speaker 1: because think about it, she didn't just immediately go resolve
Speaker 1: things with Luke it just but that's Luke. That's Luke.
Speaker 1: It's a love. It's a sort of affairs of the Horns.
Speaker 1: It's not an affair. She's not in a she's not
Speaker 1: in an intimate relationship with their parents, for God's sake.
Speaker 1: But she layalized coping mechanism. Even though you see her
Speaker 1: as this feisty, you know, strong woman that takes no leap,
Speaker 1: she doesn't do that. She reacted to the Gilmore's the
Speaker 1: same way she dealt with the fight with you, never
Speaker 1: directly addressing it. Mimi. No, Sorry, that's not in her
Speaker 1: character to back down from Emily or Richard. Well, she
Speaker 1: should have given them what for for that level of abuse.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's just how I feel. That's just how
Speaker 1: I feel. I thought it was. I thought it was
Speaker 1: inconsistent of her character not to go back at Emily
Speaker 1: and Richard and say listen, you know yeah to me,
Speaker 1: I feel like you want to pull rory at it.
Speaker 1: I'm not coming. We're not coming to as a punishment
Speaker 1: to just to teach you guys a lesson. You can't
Speaker 1: talk to me that way, and we're we're punishing you
Speaker 1: for a month. We will not come and do that
Speaker 1: to her, their her whole life, So then she would
Speaker 1: just have done that a hundred years ago, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, that's why they have this drama,
Speaker 1: because they've been behaving like this for thirty years. So
Speaker 1: she's not going to start now. We're not going to
Speaker 1: agree on this. No, it's just my opinion. You have
Speaker 1: your opinion. You know. I don't want to try to
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I found it a bit odd that the episode haunted
Speaker 1: leg which we still haven't figured out what in the
Speaker 1: heck that means. Um started off with Laura Lye and
Speaker 1: Rory in the living room, in Emily's living room and
Speaker 1: not talking to each other. I just found that absurd.
Speaker 1: And so what I think is interesting, though, is you
Speaker 1: feel the attention and Rory's trying to make it good.
Speaker 1: But then Shanna Christie shot her husband and Emily is
Speaker 1: like what, And then they kind of gossip about that
Speaker 1: and she says at least she had a hu have
Speaker 1: been to kill right. Great scene, funny all that, but
Speaker 1: I didn't buy the scene. I didn't buy that the
Speaker 1: scene should even have existed. It was too soon anyway,
Speaker 1: whoever is controlling this, uh this board, can you uh
Speaker 1: you just reduced this, uh the size of the of
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing here? Can you widen it out again?
Speaker 1: Because now everybody's really tiny and it's awkward weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well okay. So then now we're at the diner and
Speaker 1: Lorela has a cold, which was that triggering to anybody
Speaker 1: that she went to the diner with the cold? Triggering
Speaker 1: in what way did you got a cold to? No, Like,
Speaker 1: you don't go to diners with colds anymore, you stay
Speaker 1: at home. Yeah. Well uh, And then I noticed Scott
Speaker 1: Luke was carrying a lot of plates. M hum, that's
Speaker 1: what I do, Sluke. That's what I do. I carry
Speaker 1: a lot of plates. Okay, So then the significance of
Speaker 1: this scene, and you guys break it down one is,
Speaker 1: obviously Luke is always looking out for lord Lyon thinks
Speaker 1: she should eat better. And then we see Jess reading
Speaker 1: in the background, and Shane comes in and oh boy, makeout, makeout, makeout,
Speaker 1: and then Dean walks up. It's just it was all
Speaker 1: just so, I don't know, it's just for me. And
Speaker 1: here I am, I'm going to knitpick at this scene
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, I don't know. I just didn't. I
Speaker 1: just didn't buy it. I mean, it's just like writing
Speaker 1: roars it did. It just didn't feel it felt staged almost,
Speaker 1: you know, and like here comes here comes Jessica into
Speaker 1: the diner. They make out right in front of her,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, they're making this kid out
Speaker 1: to be some kind of jerk and they're making her.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't I don't like it. I don't
Speaker 1: like how its staged. I don't like it's how it's
Speaker 1: set up. I don't think everything, so I don't totally
Speaker 1: think you're wrong. But at the same time, without that scene,
Speaker 1: the scene at Dosy's Market wouldn't have been so true.
Speaker 1: So for me, everything leads to the next thing. Jess
Speaker 1: jess is just becoming obnoxious. They're ruining his character and
Speaker 1: I don't like disagree. I think he's getting really obnoxious.
Speaker 1: And I agree, and we're going to jump ahead. But
Speaker 1: he did have a point. Yeah, but you know, narcissists
Speaker 1: always have really good points, don't they always They always
Speaker 1: make great points. Yeah, back up our boy jess here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, Amy. I wish you guys can the people
Speaker 1: that are listening to this. I wish you could see
Speaker 1: our faces because we both were in just utter shock.
Speaker 1: But but no, I I don't think Jess is a
Speaker 1: narcissist at all. I think I'm really grossed out by
Speaker 1: that scene where they were making out again, Um, that's
Speaker 1: where people were eating their food. Yeah. Gross. Man. If
Speaker 1: I was at that diner and the guy that was
Speaker 1: working behind the counter and a girl walks in and
Speaker 1: makes out with him, I would be like, I'm not
Speaker 1: eating here anymore. You know what Luke's doing right now.
Speaker 1: He's making a new sign with two tongues, like with
Speaker 1: a crosso No no tongues, no tonguing, no French kissing
Speaker 1: at the counter. People are trying to eat Dan, you'll
Speaker 1: keep going. I want to take your hormones outside. I'm
Speaker 1: team Jess and I think Rory's wrong. I'm team Jess too.
Speaker 1: I'm also team Dean. I feel I want to give
Speaker 1: him a hug right now. I'm just not team Rory
Speaker 1: in this moment. Sorry, guys, I'm not. No. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love Rory and I get that she loves Jess,
Speaker 1: but she needs to tell Jess she wants to be
Speaker 1: with Jess. He was so right, we can't jump ahead.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this scene was important because the market scene,
Speaker 1: everything's like a crescendo to me, So the whole episode
Speaker 1: happens for the scene in the market and the scene
Speaker 1: at the Gilmore's at the end, and we need all
Speaker 1: the other stuff. All right, let's let's just let's get
Speaker 1: back to the structure. Let's just go back to the
Speaker 1: order were let's not jump ahead my bed. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we have you can't go just bit by bit because
Speaker 1: sometimes the end affects us. Also, Lorelai loves the necklace.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna interject with that. Okay, now we're at
Speaker 1: the end. Did anyone notice it was a new shot
Speaker 1: of the inn. I'm not sure we've never seen that
Speaker 1: angle before, which made sense to me. We're in a
Speaker 1: new season. The inn look good with it's just in
Speaker 1: the in the fireplace. Yeah, we saw that exterior shots.
Speaker 1: We saw the ex they got the bit with the mouse.
Speaker 1: M h. And and here comes Kirk talk about it. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, classic scene. I'd say one of the top
Speaker 1: I don't know twenty five classic scenes in that show
Speaker 1: all time is Kirk asking Laura Lae out on a date.
Speaker 1: You know it's hysterical, I mean, just to lend awkwardness.
Speaker 1: You know, the absurdity of these characters in these situations
Speaker 1: just you know, makes for belly laughs. I mean it was,
Speaker 1: it was really, it was really funny. If Unique doesn't
Speaker 1: make you laugh, then there's there's always another supporting character
Speaker 1: that's going to come in and hit it out of
Speaker 1: the park. Um ye. Unique was still very funny. And
Speaker 1: then Sean came in and delivered. And just when you're like,
Speaker 1: Kirk is so awkward and dorky and I can't believe
Speaker 1: he's doing this, he says, you're the prettiest girl I've
Speaker 1: ever seen outside of the magazine, and you're just like,
Speaker 1: she should let go. Yeah, I mean on that note,
Speaker 1: sure she sure. Yeah. It's like he's I almost thought
Speaker 1: she was gonna just pity dat him, but then obviously
Speaker 1: I thought it was the way she handled that, which
Speaker 1: we'll get to. It was really good. Maybe it could
Speaker 1: have been a dream sequence like in black and white,
Speaker 1: like a film by Kirk, right, why didn't why didn't
Speaker 1: he do a film by Kirk and like you know,
Speaker 1: have a lore like character in there, like his his
Speaker 1: love letter to her. It could be I want to
Speaker 1: date your mom. I love your mom. Oh my god. Alright,
Speaker 1: So we go into the Gilmore house and loyalizes in
Speaker 1: the chair while Rory sleeps because it's her last first
Speaker 1: day of high school. Right, you know, I thought Rory
Speaker 1: had an excellent pink robe and then she so. Lorelei
Speaker 1: then tells Rory Kirk asked me out, which to me,
Speaker 1: the dialogue was so hilarious in that scene, as long
Speaker 1: as he loves you mm hmmm, yes, her daughter being
Speaker 1: appropriately sarcastic, it was very funny. And then she says,
Speaker 1: we're going to have to move. And then did anyone
Speaker 1: notice they were eating a ginormous bowl of rice crispies
Speaker 1: with Marsha clothes a lot of milk. She kept pouring
Speaker 1: that milk in there. It's like, stop, a very inappropriate
Speaker 1: breakfast for a teenager. But and they were sharing the bowl. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, eating each other's backwash. Basically, it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: I don't mind sharing food, but you know some people
Speaker 1: like don't share food, Like Joey doesn't share food on friends.
Speaker 1: Joey doesn't share food. That's actually a sign of intelligence
Speaker 1: to not your food. I don't know what I'm talking about. Ida,
Speaker 1: And then we find out that the Spinstein never shared
Speaker 1: his food with anybody's parents and they were Then we
Speaker 1: find out about the ceremony and that Grandma's coming. Yes,
Speaker 1: the ceremony. Okay, how do we find out about the ceremony?
Speaker 1: Rory reveals it. Okay, So here's the thing. Okay, uh,
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm jumping out a little bit, but the ceremony,
Speaker 1: the the student body, the council whatever, giving their speeches
Speaker 1: and kicking off the new year. I thought, here's another
Speaker 1: logic flaw for me. Uh. It wasn't Paris all like
Speaker 1: noodlely about joining the Puffs? Yes, okay, so what in
Speaker 1: the hell is she doing in that meeting? Bulldozing the
Speaker 1: head of the Puffs over ahead? Okay, well you're jumping ahead?
Speaker 1: How far ahead am I jumping? You're like three scenes ahead? Damn.
Speaker 1: It just hit me over the head. Okay, And it's hard.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to get used to it. The first
Speaker 1: focus on the swearing in ceremony, Paris gives that like
Speaker 1: like ridiculous speech LOREA lie was that got there at
Speaker 1: three oh one? But Rory had lied to her, you know,
Speaker 1: But it starts chronically late, so you gotta lie to her.
Speaker 1: Rory gives her speech. But the other important part was
Speaker 1: that Emily and Laura Lee were sitting together and the
Speaker 1: first bit put the purse on the chair, the purse
Speaker 1: goes off, first goes on. Would have been nice if
Speaker 1: you put your purse down, And it was a lot long.
Speaker 1: They talked about how the ceremony was a bit long.
Speaker 1: And then they're waiting in the hallway for Rory and Emily.
Speaker 1: You know, Rory comes out to see them, and Lorda
Speaker 1: like blows off Emily, so she leaves while Lorea lie
Speaker 1: waits for Rory. It's kind of like. And then Emily says,
Speaker 1: let's have lunch. Right, So obviously there's your lunch that
Speaker 1: you had been wanting, Scott. You've been wanting them to
Speaker 1: make a plan to sit down and talk about this.
Speaker 1: So I assume that's what the lunch was. But it
Speaker 1: gets worse. Where does she want to have lunch at? What? Look?
Speaker 1: All great stuff? All those scenes are nice little runways
Speaker 1: to get to you know, our destinations. Um, all funny stuff,
Speaker 1: all great stuff the lunch. So here's the question, is
Speaker 1: it Emily's need to manipulate and be the puppet master
Speaker 1: overlayalized life. Was laurel I justified and being so insulted
Speaker 1: by that? Umhm? Was she was? She justified? That's the question,
Speaker 1: because you know the meddling that is going on behind
Speaker 1: her back with Christopher, and it's like Christopher was too much.
Speaker 1: Emily calling Christopher is rough. Although let's not forget that
Speaker 1: Lorelei has done the same thing with Dean. She has
Speaker 1: had conversations with Dean about Rory, which I at the time,
Speaker 1: please remember, I thought it was I just got mind blown. Yep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been here for what because Danielle forgot that. Everybody's
Speaker 1: all mad at Emily. Dean's to sixteen, sixteen years old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a talk with him with Johnny Chicago,
Speaker 1: Johnny Hormone over there. The talk it was when Lorelei
Speaker 1: gave love advice to Dean. Oh, yeah, you didn't specify that. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: So everyone's all mad at Emily's meddling, but lor Lie
Speaker 1: medals they're the same person. I wouldn't consider Laurel I
Speaker 1: giving Dean love advice meddling. But that's Laurel I loving
Speaker 1: a kid who needs some guidance, who's gonna get who's
Speaker 1: keep continues to get hurt? And she's showing empathy. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: So then why is Emily calling Christopher not the same
Speaker 1: thing showing love for Christopher and her daughter and wanting
Speaker 1: them to be together and work this out. Because Laurel
Speaker 1: is not a sixteen year old kid. She's a grown woman,
Speaker 1: and she wants her respect, and she wants her boundaries respected,
Speaker 1: and those she keeps violating her boundaries, she keeps crossing
Speaker 1: Laurelized boundaries and getting involved in her life at a
Speaker 1: level that doesn't make her feel comfortable. And I don't
Speaker 1: blame her for popping at her mother. Her mother is
Speaker 1: a pain in the ass, you know. It's like she
Speaker 1: just is. She's an abusive pain in everybody's ass. And
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to be so blunt about it. I'm tired too.
Speaker 1: I'm tired this woman just sort of bulldozing this girl
Speaker 1: who's trying to live a quality of the life away
Speaker 1: from these abusive people. And she's collected a community of
Speaker 1: of wonderful stars, hollow people. She's got a nice little situation.
Speaker 1: She's managing her life beautifully. Her daughter is doing beautifully.
Speaker 1: She's made a deal with the devil. Right, she's to
Speaker 1: get her daughter's school paid for. But they should have
Speaker 1: done that anyway. They shouldn't put conditions on it. Why
Speaker 1: do they put conditions on it. I'll give you the money,
Speaker 1: but you have to come over once a week. What
Speaker 1: is that? So? I can disagree with you that Emily
Speaker 1: is wrong, but I just consistent that Laurel I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have done it with Dean. You it's really you can
Speaker 1: you're comparing apples and oranges. It's it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: totally different These are different worlds. These are different worlds.
Speaker 1: This is this is this is my my abusive mother
Speaker 1: who I ran away from, won't stop disrespecting my boundaries
Speaker 1: and meddling in my life with a guy who you
Speaker 1: know it could have worked out now, I mean, Loreal
Speaker 1: I is so together that she's trying to she's moved
Speaker 1: on from Christopher. It's like, okay, you know, she got
Speaker 1: the rug pulled out of from under again with the
Speaker 1: shocking pregnancy news for the Christophers girlfriend. So LOYALI is
Speaker 1: moving on, and she in her same high spirits and
Speaker 1: and using that humor that she developed too as a
Speaker 1: shield against her parents. Now she's using it in every
Speaker 1: aspect of her life and it and it serves her,
Speaker 1: you know, it keeps her saying, it keeps her going,
Speaker 1: It keeps her buoyant. But for her, that's her personality.
Speaker 1: That's why we enjoy this show so much, is because
Speaker 1: we get to watch that glorious person be funny and
Speaker 1: not and not. And you know, because the you know,
Speaker 1: the the I hate to say it, the the shite
Speaker 1: is piling up so hi, she's got to grow wings
Speaker 1: to stay above it. And she's got beautiful wings and
Speaker 1: she knows how to fly, and she's flying, but this
Speaker 1: woman keeps throwing stuff up at her and getting it's
Speaker 1: getting on her wings and bringing her down. That's how
Speaker 1: I see it done it again. We'll get to the end,
Speaker 1: but thank you very Let's go back to your scene
Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about, which was the student council meeting,
Speaker 1: the first one where it's supposed to be to get
Speaker 1: to know each other and Paris never lets anyone talk, uh,
Speaker 1: And this was where Francy brings up the hemline. And
Speaker 1: the girl that played Francie was just terrific. Yeah, she was.
Speaker 1: She was terrific. Yeah, just hit it out of the park.
Speaker 1: Made the episode for me. So talking to Daris is
Speaker 1: like shopping for a bathing suit in December. Frustrating, useless,
Speaker 1: and a complete waste of time. Who is that actress?
Speaker 1: She hit it out of the part? Emily Burgle? Is
Speaker 1: that her last name? Burgle? Oh? She was, She was terrific.
Speaker 1: She was just terrific. She does a lot of work,
Speaker 1: she works a lot. Really good for her. She should,
Speaker 1: she should. But that is the part where Paris bugs me,
Speaker 1: Like I can deal with Paris, but like the fact
Speaker 1: that Paris just talked in that meeting for an hour
Speaker 1: and doesn't let anyone talk is like that's annoying, you think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and plus okay, so here's the logic thing. Puffs, leader
Speaker 1: of the Puffs, president of student council, has some power,
Speaker 1: has some real power. Now how season one we saw
Speaker 1: you know, Rory accidentally sit down and ingratiate herself to
Speaker 1: the leader of the Puffs, and she was kind of accepted.
Speaker 1: Like this girl is so oblivious. We love her, she
Speaker 1: doesn't even know who we are lover her. Let's let
Speaker 1: her in. Paris gets all new toly can you can
Speaker 1: you have any influence with them. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now she's, you know, trying to bulldoze these people. How
Speaker 1: all of a sudden she doesn't want to be in
Speaker 1: the Puffs were consistently over because they got so busted
Speaker 1: who the Puffs. Remember they got Paris and Rory got
Speaker 1: into the Puffs and they were having their initiation. Remember
Speaker 1: they had the morning thing, and Paris looked like poop
Speaker 1: and Rory looked perfect because lower Light told her they
Speaker 1: were coming. And then they got so busted in the
Speaker 1: you know, in the headmaster's office that maybe they're just
Speaker 1: the Puffs are no more. Apparently the Puffs still exists,
Speaker 1: and they still have influence and they still have power.
Speaker 1: She's they still have an organization. So suddenly Paris doesn't
Speaker 1: want to be involved with the Puffs because so you're saying,
Speaker 1: because they have a a police record right now, that
Speaker 1: they're not so desirable and organization to remember him. I
Speaker 1: agree with the inconsistency you're talking about, because Paris was
Speaker 1: so all about them, So why would she then be
Speaker 1: such a hardass to Francy over the in shalong hemline
Speaker 1: like it isn't consistent. I'll give you that it's not
Speaker 1: consistent at all. She just want to be popular or not.
Speaker 1: I mean, just because they got busted once by the headmaster,
Speaker 1: they weren't suspended as an organization, they weren't disbanded. They're
Speaker 1: still together, they still wield power. You know this is
Speaker 1: there was no scene. There was no scene really explaining
Speaker 1: that the Puffs had lost their luster and their influence
Speaker 1: and their no no longer desirable. Otherwise the scene would
Speaker 1: have made sense. How they that. It doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: how important they were to Paris and how much she
Speaker 1: wanted to be friends with Francy and then suddenly now
Speaker 1: she's just gonna like slam Francy on everything. I agree anyway,
Speaker 1: just an observation. But back to the end, Suki doesn't
Speaker 1: want to serve the vegetarians, and we tee up that
Speaker 1: the lunches today. But wait, wait, there's a life lesson.
Speaker 1: Rory teaches Paris a life lesson about being political. She's
Speaker 1: a real you know, Rory is a real operator. I
Speaker 1: mean she's a real political operator. She really like you.
Speaker 1: You want to do these small favors just in case
Speaker 1: down the line you need something from them. You know,
Speaker 1: we have to be political here. We can't. You just
Speaker 1: can't be a dictator. Well, everyone in Shelton is manipulating
Speaker 1: everyone because Francy manipulated Rory, so Rory has to manipulate Paris.
Speaker 1: Don't even want this job college application, right, going through
Speaker 1: the motions basically, yeah, tolerating people. Um, but I you know,
Speaker 1: I I did like the scene. Listen, I don't dislike
Speaker 1: these scenes. I love these scenes. I think they're beautifully acted,
Speaker 1: and they're funny, and it's just if there's a logic question,
Speaker 1: it kind of you're not wrong. The grill in the room,
Speaker 1: all right. So then we have the scene with Suki
Speaker 1: to kind of prepare us for the lunch. Then we
Speaker 1: go back to Chilton if we're going in order, which
Speaker 1: we kind of touched on this, and we Roy gets
Speaker 1: pulled into the bathroom and and Francy. Great scene, my
Speaker 1: favorite scene of the entire episode really in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: That was so righteous, the scene that that show needed
Speaker 1: the hard edge, they needed a gang thing that was
Speaker 1: like that was an homage to all the great high
Speaker 1: school gang scenes that you've ever seen. Like it was
Speaker 1: just it was beautiful. It was beautifully acted by that
Speaker 1: Emily Burgele and It was just such a great situation.
Speaker 1: It took me back into high school, like like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, high school so gnarly. Like I literally just
Speaker 1: like transported me back into high school. Did you ever
Speaker 1: get bullied in high school? I didn't, but like that exists,
Speaker 1: you know, like Francine and Rory, that scene happens in
Speaker 1: high school. For sure. I got bullied horribly. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I was. I was small and skinny, and as a
Speaker 1: freshman I made you know I I I didn't start
Speaker 1: growing until god, sophomore year. Were you a high school
Speaker 1: based only cool? Were you cool or were you like
Speaker 1: I wasn't cool? No? I was skinny, and I mean
Speaker 1: I was just rail finn and kind of smallish. But
Speaker 1: I I was in this situation where um, I beat
Speaker 1: out like the all star local shortstop football captain quarterback
Speaker 1: big man on cabmus guy, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I found myself playing starting at shortstop for the for
Speaker 1: a powerhouse UH team and it I had a lot
Speaker 1: of enemies at that. His friends used to drag me
Speaker 1: into the wrestling room every day and beat the snot
Speaker 1: out of me to try to force me to quit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you quit baseball? No? Oh, did you ever go
Speaker 1: back for a high school reunion? I mean I did,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't go out my junior senior year,
Speaker 1: did I? But that was for different reasons. It wasn't
Speaker 1: because of that. It played baseball my junior senior year
Speaker 1: or no, I didn't. Have you ever gone back to
Speaker 1: a high school reunion since you've been like famous? Have
Speaker 1: you bumped into anyone from high school since you like,
Speaker 1: since you were like that guy and then now you're
Speaker 1: you know, I I look my tight circle of guy
Speaker 1: friends as I grew up with. But what about like
Speaker 1: somebody not your tight circle? So like you're back home.
Speaker 1: I forget what your hometown was. Paddenfield, New Jersey, New Jersey. Okay,
Speaker 1: And have you ever like bumped into anyone at the
Speaker 1: seven eleven or whatever and they're like he school to
Speaker 1: high school together and then you became famous. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: happened several times, actually, or like the girls in high
Speaker 1: school are like, oh my god, he's Luke. Now I
Speaker 1: haven't gotten not from I don't. I don't know that
Speaker 1: that town is to impressed with stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 1: that's a different kind of a place. Oh were they
Speaker 1: more impressed that you became a professional baseball player. I
Speaker 1: don't know that they were impressed by anything. Although they
Speaker 1: did give me a day the mayor, the mayor in
Speaker 1: two thousand and nineteen gave me a day. Yes, he
Speaker 1: did do They did do that, so that was really cool.
Speaker 1: Days a question. I don't know. I'll have to look
Speaker 1: at the thing. I have it somewhere. You don't remember
Speaker 1: your day, it's like August, It's like the city. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was a key, but it was something.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a wonderful. I mean, everybody showed up.
Speaker 1: There was hundreds of people that it was really fun.
Speaker 1: It's really fun. Your day is Saturday, August, Saturday, August
Speaker 1: Patterson Day. Again. What hadden Field, n Jersey, Southern New Jersey,
Speaker 1: hadden Field. Yes, this is the listen. Steven Spielberg went
Speaker 1: to high school here, Brian to Palmer went to high
Speaker 1: school here. Um, they have a Deborah Hill who wrote
Speaker 1: Halloween went grew up there. Okay, this is this is
Speaker 1: a town Joanna Cassidy's from. This is a town that
Speaker 1: has contributed to Hollywood. Might Yes it has this this
Speaker 1: small town, Yes we have. We have quite the pedigree
Speaker 1: let's go back to lunch. It loops, okay, and uh,
Speaker 1: you and Lauren, Luke and Lorela have the hilarious scene
Speaker 1: about Kirk asking Laura lae out. I just thought was hysterical.
Speaker 1: See that's that's that's to me, that's Gilmore girls. How's
Speaker 1: that light touch? It's a little t zy, it's humorous.
Speaker 1: I did not care for getting a fork throw at me.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a little Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: little much. Um, it was just no. The banter. The
Speaker 1: banter was there. It's as good as it gets. Uh,
Speaker 1: and really enjoyed that scene. Yeah. So then Emily comes
Speaker 1: in and of course wipes down her chair, which I
Speaker 1: thought was hilarious, right, but but she puts it back
Speaker 1: in her purse. It was so progressive of her. I
Speaker 1: was like, yes, Emily, you wipe down that seat, take
Speaker 1: off those germs. I do that on aeroplanes. I do
Speaker 1: that on airplanes. Everybody does. Then. I also loved that
Speaker 1: even though Emily was there, that Luke still you know,
Speaker 1: they still are having their banter. It's not like you
Speaker 1: put on a different persona because Emily is there and
Speaker 1: you give the line like trying to look good for
Speaker 1: the big day. Okay, So then we find out, you know,
Speaker 1: loweralizes like why are we at lunch? Oh? Just to
Speaker 1: have lunch? And then the bomb drops that she had
Speaker 1: called Christopher and you two belong together, she said, so
Speaker 1: discuss h just sad she just Emily is just a
Speaker 1: sad character at this point. I mean, just Laura, I
Speaker 1: had every right to to walk out of that. I
Speaker 1: mean this is the second time, second episode in a row,
Speaker 1: she's walked out on her mother, this time on turf.
Speaker 1: So that stood out to me too. I mean it's like,
Speaker 1: why do they even have a relationship? Why does Emily
Speaker 1: want to keep having these dinners? And it's like at
Speaker 1: this point, it's like, just send Rory and you don't
Speaker 1: have to come. But then why would Rory want to come?
Speaker 1: You know, It's it's these people need to take a
Speaker 1: break from each other and just regroup. The walking out
Speaker 1: bothers me. Does that bother anybody else? How is she?
Speaker 1: But this woman just will not stop. She's like Arnold
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger and the Terminator. She just will not stop until
Speaker 1: she rips everybody teenagery to walk out. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: It's like talk it out and resolve it act like
Speaker 1: grown ups. Emily needs to get Emily needs to get
Speaker 1: a life. You know. It's like, get a life, go
Speaker 1: to the country club, metal in the affairs of your
Speaker 1: friends and you know, have a couple of drinks at
Speaker 1: lunch and play a little golf, play a little tennis,
Speaker 1: and just what what is the point? Emily feels like
Speaker 1: Emily keeps trying to fix the damage that she did.
Speaker 1: And I think she's driven by guilt. And that's what
Speaker 1: I think this is all about. She ruined her She
Speaker 1: thinks she ruined her daughter. Guess what, she didn't ruin
Speaker 1: her daughter. Her daughter is made of stronger stuff than
Speaker 1: Emily gives her credit for. And she's turned into a
Speaker 1: spectacular person. She's raising a spectacular kid. And Emily, it
Speaker 1: just didn't ruin your daughter. You don't need to fix anything,
Speaker 1: So stop trying to fix everything. You didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: Why you fixed? So Emily needs to just sort of
Speaker 1: focus on herself, you know, in her own relationship, in
Speaker 1: her own life. And it's like, stop sticking your nose
Speaker 1: in that's ye. Look, you make a great point there.
Speaker 1: Well I try, like I love arguing with you, but
Speaker 1: I can't. You're right, like Emily does. It's like chill
Speaker 1: out Emily. M hmm. But since she's made this, you know,
Speaker 1: dollar year investment in her granddaughter, she's gonna put in
Speaker 1: her two cents and she's gonna meddle to medal. I
Speaker 1: think that she would be meddling if they had any
Speaker 1: relationship at all, whether she's paying for school or not,
Speaker 1: she would be meddling. It's like it's her who she is.
Speaker 1: Emily is just angry. She's just full of full, filled
Speaker 1: with rage at this point. See, i'd see it that
Speaker 1: part differently. I think she just wants so desperately for
Speaker 1: this all to work out. But the way she wants
Speaker 1: it to work out, it's not like she's doing it
Speaker 1: because she wants Laurel to thrive. It's like she wants
Speaker 1: everything she wants exactly. She's not concerned with anybody's happiness
Speaker 1: but her own. Yeah, she wants Emily's happy ending, and
Speaker 1: that's her daughter marrying her, you know, granddaughter's dad and
Speaker 1: in the family and and you know, like in high
Speaker 1: class society and everything is happy, go lucky in Emily's world.
Speaker 1: But that's not crazy how much they still love Christopher
Speaker 1: even though Christopher's parents were so wild. She wants to
Speaker 1: be around all the people that drink out of a
Speaker 1: bottle likeness, but they're pink. You. She doesn't want this,
Speaker 1: but's thing like Emily doesn't know any anything else, you know,
Speaker 1: so like you can't Emily, she's doing it for the
Speaker 1: right reason. Yeah, she does. She does. It's an unconscious
Speaker 1: It's it's amazing that somebody that age is so unconscious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well said, yeah, it's amazing somebody that's so intelligent and
Speaker 1: so experienced is just completely single minded. Quick interjection. You
Speaker 1: know something. I think that's very effective that they do
Speaker 1: on this show because ed Herman is not in a
Speaker 1: lot of the episodes. But I think this is intentional.
Speaker 1: You tell me, they always acknowledge Richer. They always acknowledge,
Speaker 1: Oh he's at this business meeting or he's traveling again.
Speaker 1: We feel his presence, which is why I think in
Speaker 1: my mind he's in almost every episode. It's very smart,
Speaker 1: like and you realize, like, oh, he's like such a star,
Speaker 1: so they acknowledge him. So we always feel like he's there,
Speaker 1: even though he hasn't. He's not in like the Maid
Speaker 1: the math scene, I thought he was there. You know,
Speaker 1: I know that's next scene, but that's all right. So
Speaker 1: first we go back to the so okay, so I
Speaker 1: don't want to gloss over these important scenes because that
Speaker 1: was major what happened in the diner. We then go
Speaker 1: back to the student council meeting and they're talking about
Speaker 1: the dance, uh, which Paris kind of agreed, okay. And
Speaker 1: then the senior class photos and someone has the famous
Speaker 1: relative that's the photographer. And then we get to the
Speaker 1: hemline issue and this is where Yt yeah, pretty famous photographer.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to And then we get to the
Speaker 1: hemline issue, and this is a where we kind of
Speaker 1: Rory does her magic. Rory does her magic with Paris
Speaker 1: on Paris. Yeah, that's where she kind of manipulates Paris
Speaker 1: and says like, look, you need to kind of that's Rory,
Speaker 1: Rory's political wise self kicking in and telling Paris what
Speaker 1: should be. It's like, listen, Paris, you're an idiot, you're dumb,
Speaker 1: You're a blunt instrument, Like you need to be more nuanced.
Speaker 1: Stop screaming at everybody. You're boring. You're giving Sky a
Speaker 1: headache every single episode you're in. So you shut up
Speaker 1: and get smart and start being political. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm running out of an um. So that beautiful scene,
Speaker 1: you know, it was pro it was it was anti headache,
Speaker 1: and it was pro feeling good. So now we're getting
Speaker 1: into so much meat in an episode in a short
Speaker 1: amount of time. So here we go. So first we
Speaker 1: at the Gilmore House and uh, they're getting ready to
Speaker 1: go to Friday Night dinner and Kirk is on the
Speaker 1: answering machine, which was just like hilarious. And then we
Speaker 1: get to Friday Night dinner, they're basically discussing how Emily
Speaker 1: can't keep a maid and then ding dong and the shite,
Speaker 1: as you say, hits the fan. So incomes Christopher and
Speaker 1: it is emotional, a blow up. I was crying. It
Speaker 1: was God. I thought this. I thought this was the
Speaker 1: lowest Gilmore Girls has ever gone. I thought it was
Speaker 1: so soap opera. I couldn't believe it. I could not
Speaker 1: believe what I was seeing. It was melodrama. It was
Speaker 1: out of the blue, and I wasn't. I just I
Speaker 1: was just I rolled my eyes. I could not believe
Speaker 1: how hokey that the whole thing was. Yeah. Yeah, First
Speaker 1: of all the fact that he just showed up like
Speaker 1: you sang out of the blue. For me, it was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, because he knew they would be there.
Speaker 1: I thought it was dramatic and like amazing. I groaned.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is painful to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: first of all, I was stunned. I was. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I loved it so much. I can't believe how opposite
Speaker 1: we are on this one. Yeah, okay, do you want
Speaker 1: to talk first? You go first, you explain why you
Speaker 1: hated it, and I will then explain why I just did. Okay.
Speaker 1: I thought it was hokey, and I thought it was contrived,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was I I thought it was
Speaker 1: very forced. It didn't feel natural. It didn't feel I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think you have to set
Speaker 1: something up better than that. I so felt like we
Speaker 1: were building towards me. No, I mean I know what
Speaker 1: you mean. Yes, it was in a sense, but I
Speaker 1: just wanted there to be more craft. I wanted I Okay,
Speaker 1: So before I say why I loved it, did you
Speaker 1: love the Emily came on as the hero so as
Speaker 1: they're fighting fighting, fight, No, it didn't work. It just
Speaker 1: was all hocum to me. And then Emily standing there, Christopher,
Speaker 1: I think it's time. It was. It was the guiding light.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I fell out of it there. Oh my god. Okay,
Speaker 1: wait before I say, Danielle Riley, did you guys like it?
Speaker 1: Where do you guys stand? I know? I l O
Speaker 1: V E dd it? Right? You thirst why you did
Speaker 1: not like it? And then his heart you know what?
Speaker 1: Smart too? Why did you not like it? I kind
Speaker 1: of feel I just felt so just over the top
Speaker 1: and I was like, christophery, you need to chill, like,
Speaker 1: this is not the way to go about it. That's
Speaker 1: not the way to do it. And then I felt like, well,
Speaker 1: it was very nice of Emily to come in. I
Speaker 1: was like, Emily, you kind of stirred this up a
Speaker 1: little bit too. Like your and every get that we're
Speaker 1: watching a TV show like the drama, but it's not
Speaker 1: a yeah it's a it's not a reality show, and
Speaker 1: be it's supposed to be this really classy drama. T right,
Speaker 1: it was, Christopher, that was not a scene that in
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form fit in to that world
Speaker 1: that they had established it. It was I'm trying to
Speaker 1: tell you they didn't set it up properly. Did you
Speaker 1: know that Christopher was trying to reach Lorelai forty five times?
Speaker 1: Now did you know that he was trying to reach
Speaker 1: his daughter forty five times? They turned the audience into
Speaker 1: observers instead of participants, and that is a flaw in
Speaker 1: the writing. Okay, I love being an observer, so I
Speaker 1: know you don't love being an observer. You have to
Speaker 1: participate in the drama. They didn't give you enough information,
Speaker 1: but it was all out of the blue. I don't
Speaker 1: need to know everything all the time. I love that
Speaker 1: he just showed up. I was like, I do otherwise
Speaker 1: you're in a You're in a soap opera. Okay, well
Speaker 1: then I love soap opera. Was like, who's at the door,
Speaker 1: Oh my god? And then it was Christopher and he,
Speaker 1: first of all, couldn't have looked hotter loot. I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: it would have been better if he had worn a mustache.
Speaker 1: He looked so hot. He is so hot. He's just
Speaker 1: perfect leather jacket. And the scene was ridiculous. It had
Speaker 1: no business and it was ridiculous, and it had no
Speaker 1: business being in the show Lawless. Scene first of all,
Speaker 1: we find out, first of all, it had been so
Speaker 1: hot then we find story from me. What was happening? Great, guys.
Speaker 1: First of all, he looks so hot, so oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: perfect hair, perfect eyes, perfect jack. It was the most
Speaker 1: inept scene I have ever seen of the two plus years.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was inept. I just cannot. I
Speaker 1: don't know how to disagree more. I know, I don't
Speaker 1: he and I loved Lauren's performance. She was so real,
Speaker 1: so vulnerable. She's like, this hurt, this is killing. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: You gotta see it coming, they gotta. They gotta tease
Speaker 1: it before before you know, El Greco shows up in
Speaker 1: a mustache. She always know. You've got to tease that
Speaker 1: he's trying to get into You got to give the
Speaker 1: audience the information that he's trying to reach her and
Speaker 1: that she's not getting back to him. That's a major
Speaker 1: story flaw. It's a major hole in the story telling.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. These people are brilliant. Amy and Dan are brilliant,
Speaker 1: The writing staff is brilliant, but they missed it on
Speaker 1: this one. Listen, I'm I'm calling it out. How I
Speaker 1: call him? How I sam Okay, I'm firm, but I'm fair,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm when things are awesome, and they usually are.
Speaker 1: And I'll do with anybody's acting. I'll do it with
Speaker 1: my own acting. I'll do it with the writing. I'll
Speaker 1: do it. I don't care, you know, let the let
Speaker 1: the you know, cast dispersions at me, slings and arrows,
Speaker 1: I'll take them. But that was not worthy of the
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls. That was not worthy of the show. Loved
Speaker 1: it so much. I loved it so much. I was crying.
Speaker 1: I was crying, crying, and this is the place part
Speaker 1: for me. This wasn't the last scene in the episode.
Speaker 1: That was the sappiest scene I've ever seen. I loved it.
Speaker 1: And then Rory was like mad too, and She's like, no,
Speaker 1: you promised me, which he did. She was right, honestly.
Speaker 1: Rory came in and was like you messed up, and
Speaker 1: like okay, but don't you okay, so listen, I'm I
Speaker 1: don't want to. I'm glad that you enjoyed it, But
Speaker 1: don't you think it could have been better? Nope? No,
Speaker 1: five out of five. Had we had some knowledge that
Speaker 1: this guy was trying to get in touch with them
Speaker 1: and have these little scenes, but like, who was that? Mom?
Speaker 1: That was Christopher? And then they're like Oh, well, you
Speaker 1: know he's pissing me off. Why didn't you take the call?
Speaker 1: I don't want what mom? You should call him back?
Speaker 1: Why did you call him back? Mom? Create some tension,
Speaker 1: create the goout the episode. It just shows how hurt
Speaker 1: Laurela is that she can't even talk about it. I
Speaker 1: understand that part, but we didn't know about it. Does
Speaker 1: it does? In my opinion, it does. Good writing is
Speaker 1: that you you help your audience to participate in whatever
Speaker 1: is going on. And they turned me into an observer
Speaker 1: who just started throwing tomatoes at the screen at that
Speaker 1: because they didn't take me along for that ride. And
Speaker 1: I thought it was absurd. I thought that scene was absurd,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, part and ineffective and it could have
Speaker 1: had and see it didn't pay off because they didn't
Speaker 1: set it up. They didn't set it up the right way.
Speaker 1: That's part for me of the scene was that I
Speaker 1: didn't know who was at the door. So for me,
Speaker 1: that was like, who's at the door. But you should
Speaker 1: have known who was at the door. You should have suspected.
Speaker 1: Oh god, that's Christopher, because that helps you to participate
Speaker 1: in it. I love not knowing. And then I was
Speaker 1: like No, here's the thing in great wh Look how
Speaker 1: far behind the story do you want to be as
Speaker 1: an audience? Do you want to become in another county?
Speaker 1: Do you want to be in another universe? And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they introduced this scene or do
Speaker 1: you want to be a little bit behind the story?
Speaker 1: Do you want to be a little bit ahead of
Speaker 1: the story. But also, we knew Christopher was going to
Speaker 1: come at some point, right, you know, like I saw
Speaker 1: that coming. I saw him coming at some point. Was
Speaker 1: it at Emily's house that I thought you would come? No?
Speaker 1: But I loved that it was. Yeah, I thought it
Speaker 1: made him look weaker than Emily. I disagree he came
Speaker 1: in because it too you know, they're talking. It's like
Speaker 1: when you grow care and and either no, it's either
Speaker 1: stay away and deal with your pregnant girl friend and
Speaker 1: marry her, or claimed Laura, like, don't come in and
Speaker 1: say where? Why aren't you taking my phone calls? I mean,
Speaker 1: I've never seen that guy look more like a whimp
Speaker 1: and an indecisive whimp. I'm sorry, God, I thought it was.
Speaker 1: I loved it. It was totally No, it was it's
Speaker 1: total character destruction. They made that guy look like a
Speaker 1: whimp and an indecisive whimp. Why isn't he with his girlfriend,
Speaker 1: I mean with with his pregnant girlfriend who's gonna marry
Speaker 1: Rory is also his daughter. For God's sake, handle your business,
Speaker 1: I mean business, for God's sake. He comes charging in,
Speaker 1: you know, on his motorcycle without a helmet and with
Speaker 1: no goggles, and he rides away without his helmet, no goggles,
Speaker 1: and tonight, do you know what it's like riding a
Speaker 1: motorcycle without I wear? It's like the next time we
Speaker 1: see Christopher, he's going to be blind. But I also
Speaker 1: love that Rory goes up stairs and Laura like, even
Speaker 1: though she's so mad at Christopher and she's so hurt
Speaker 1: by him, she still is the mom and goes out
Speaker 1: to him and says, give it time. I didn't buy it.
Speaker 1: I didn't buy into it because it was just out
Speaker 1: of the blue. It was too absurd to even engage.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to function. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't even know, Like, do
Speaker 1: we have to take a break. I need a breath.
Speaker 1: So pissed, but he looked good. That's the important thing.
Speaker 1: He looked really good. So that's really all that matters.
Speaker 1: And I love that he had the motorcycle and not
Speaker 1: the wolbo and everything about. Look, if you're gonna if
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like a nothing, spineless, wimpy character, it's
Speaker 1: important that you look good, right, that's the important thing.
Speaker 1: What about what about God? Be somebody else's dad? It
Speaker 1: was so dramatic and amazing, like hokey. It was, look
Speaker 1: at here's my thing. You don't have to be perfect
Speaker 1: for me to love you. So Christopher can be flawed,
Speaker 1: but I heard love him perfect. He's the farthest thing
Speaker 1: from perfect. He's a was Are you kidding me? He's
Speaker 1: not fighting for his daughter. I feel like I need
Speaker 1: to have a whole comment with Justin. I agree, I
Speaker 1: can letly agree with you. I am shocked. I thought
Speaker 1: literally Scott was going to be like this was the
Speaker 1: one scene I loved. No, I hated it more than
Speaker 1: anything I've ever Emily like right on, Emily like, I
Speaker 1: agree ultimately, Emily because now she understands, and so she
Speaker 1: had lorealized back. She's all yeah, I was laughing throughout
Speaker 1: the whole scene, but I was laughing at them laughing.
Speaker 1: I was crying, rying. I was like emotionally and I
Speaker 1: was stunned. I was like in the beginning of that
Speaker 1: scene when we find out it's Christopher andre Legos mom
Speaker 1: or Emily whatever she said, and she was like, I
Speaker 1: did not do this, and she's like, yes, you did.
Speaker 1: I did not do this, and I was like, oh oh,
Speaker 1: she didn't like I was at first, says what do
Speaker 1: you want from me? I was like, oh my god, Riley, Riley,
Speaker 1: how you doing that? It felt so toxic. He could
Speaker 1: have done it in such a different way. Their life
Speaker 1: is toxic. Of course it's going to be toxic. I know.
Speaker 1: But if he wants to prove himself and like prove
Speaker 1: that like he is the person for her, he could
Speaker 1: have come at this like he could have come in
Speaker 1: or like picked a different time. Let's play let's play this,
Speaker 1: let's play this really quick. How would you guys, like,
Speaker 1: how would you have liked Christopher to do it? Like
Speaker 1: what in your mind? What would what would have been better?
Speaker 1: Laura Lee by herself like audience and she won't call
Speaker 1: him back. Your mommy said I should come here and
Speaker 1: I'm going to store man looking really good. Your mom
Speaker 1: didn't because he knew. That's even worse actually than he
Speaker 1: did that he knew she was going to be there.
Speaker 1: I mean, what a why didn't he have sit on
Speaker 1: the porch of the house or like like go somewhere
Speaker 1: where Rory's not there, where you know Rory will get
Speaker 1: emotional and you know here the conversation, it could have
Speaker 1: just been done in more of a mature, non toxic
Speaker 1: triggering way. That's a Dean. That's a dean move right there.
Speaker 1: Never do that. You know, he's so wimpy, he'd just
Speaker 1: be at home. Yeah, like, come on, you just up here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's totally stuck. That's the thing, he says, that's why
Speaker 1: loyal lies. Like are you Harry And he's like yes,
Speaker 1: And it's just like I honestly, this scene mirrored the
Speaker 1: next scene, you know what I mean, just flipped right.
Speaker 1: I've got about You've got to prepare for this scene.
Speaker 1: As a writer, I need to see so scenes that
Speaker 1: tease this that we need. This needs to be there
Speaker 1: needs to be an inevitability about it. Nope, sorry it
Speaker 1: didn't work. Look, it didn't work for me at all.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was a ridiculous scene. I thought
Speaker 1: everybody looked like idiots. And I loved everything about it,
Speaker 1: and I loved everyone in it. I loved Christopher, I
Speaker 1: loved Rory, I loved Laura la and I loved Emily.
Speaker 1: I felt sorry for Lauren that she had to be
Speaker 1: in the scene. I felt sorry for for all of
Speaker 1: them that they had to be in the scene. This
Speaker 1: was not their fault. But I felt this was not
Speaker 1: their fault. Okay, they have acting jobs. I'm sure Lauren
Speaker 1: had some notes and Emily probably said, Jesus, we really
Speaker 1: have to film this, hope. I'm sure they did. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they did. This is awesome. They are very astute,
Speaker 1: the two of them. They're very astute, and they know
Speaker 1: when something's gonna you know, land, like a you know what,
Speaker 1: like awesomeness. Yeah, pure awesomeness. The outcome of that scene
Speaker 1: is everything, is everything we needed. It's Emily backing up
Speaker 1: lower like it's loyal lie standing up to this guy
Speaker 1: and being like, yours, you screwed up, not my problem.
Speaker 1: It's Rory being like that. It comes down to execution.
Speaker 1: It's how it was executed. I agree with you on
Speaker 1: all of that. But they didn't left. It was not
Speaker 1: it was not set up that's just my opinion. Cannot
Speaker 1: wait for the comments on the Instagram literally, like can
Speaker 1: I start checking the Instagram right now? Like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Then the best thing is the show wasn't over like
Speaker 1: I was, like it was for me, continued, I went
Speaker 1: to a refrigerator after that. Just Apple's drama, drama, drama
Speaker 1: brings it, brings it back and the town and here
Speaker 1: comes Kurk, which I thought, oh my god, no way,
Speaker 1: like guys, it was genius. So then here comes Kirk
Speaker 1: where Loralai has to say, I can't go out with
Speaker 1: you because I'm so hung up on this other thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that was one of the That was a
Speaker 1: great line from Kirk. I just need to know how
Speaker 1: you feel about tuna fish. And when she says, but
Speaker 1: she let him down in in a in a very
Speaker 1: classy way I thought, really protected his feelings and you
Speaker 1: know what she was. She was also somewhat honest that
Speaker 1: she'd been through the ringer you know, on the you know,
Speaker 1: with the dating scene and used to take a long breather.
Speaker 1: This show is so genius because we have the most
Speaker 1: important or second most important have you looking at scene
Speaker 1: of the episode in Docie's market when Jess and Rory
Speaker 1: bump into each other, and Jess was like, on, girl,
Speaker 1: you don't get to be upset at me. You're breaking
Speaker 1: my heart, Like you don't want to be with me.
Speaker 1: You didn't call me, you didn't write me. You're not
Speaker 1: breaking up with Dean. I have to see you two
Speaker 1: all around town. Of course I'm gonna go kiss Shane,
Speaker 1: like Jess is right, Jess is right. You can't tell
Speaker 1: me not to kiss Shane because you're the one that's
Speaker 1: not meeting me. Yeah, what is he supposed to do?
Speaker 1: She's being so act like a man and go to
Speaker 1: go to Washington. Why why didn't he call her? Hang on?
Speaker 1: Hang on? What? Why didn't he call her? Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I was on your I was on your team, Scott
Speaker 1: last episode. I was there and I totally converted after
Speaker 1: the last scene of this episode. But why was the
Speaker 1: right way he can call her? How are you doing?
Speaker 1: You know she's still with Dean. He like it is
Speaker 1: wrong of him to try to be pursuing somebody that
Speaker 1: is in a relationship with somebody else, that she would
Speaker 1: he start to look like Dean though if he kept
Speaker 1: calling and kept but he knew look he knew that.
Speaker 1: All he had to do was make one phone call.
Speaker 1: How you doing house Washington? Hey, I want to come visit.
Speaker 1: You can't do that. You can't do that? Who can't
Speaker 1: do that? Because that's like he wanted. He did the
Speaker 1: grand all of a sudden, he's got morals. Before he
Speaker 1: didn't give a darn when she was in town. So
Speaker 1: here's the thing. So there's a selective morality. Yeah, Jess
Speaker 1: is a good dude. He's like, might be troubled and
Speaker 1: he might be kind of a bad boy, but he's
Speaker 1: a good dude. And you know what, I don't want
Speaker 1: to ruin it. But gosh, do we share learn that
Speaker 1: when we come back for the movies. Jess is a
Speaker 1: good dude and Jess as a stud, So come on, like, Rory,
Speaker 1: this is Rory. What's she expecting? It's like so she
Speaker 1: she gets to have her cake and eat it too.
Speaker 1: She gets to like have Jess loving her and he's
Speaker 1: not supposed to make out with Shane, but yet she's
Speaker 1: still dating Dean. Jess said it, are you still with
Speaker 1: Dean at the end of the day? If you know
Speaker 1: it's right? Wild horses couldn't drag you away from what
Speaker 1: is right and what you feel should be in an
Speaker 1: interpersonal relationship. So go you don't need it, doesn't care
Speaker 1: how old a person is. If you want somebody, if
Speaker 1: you want it to work, you go make it work.
Speaker 1: You don't make excuses. He was like, you know, every
Speaker 1: you know excuses her, Like you know, what's everybody's got one.
Speaker 1: He had a million excuses in the market. The one
Speaker 1: thing he didn't do is he didn't act. He went
Speaker 1: to the excuses. He had facts. He had the facts,
Speaker 1: but not gonna get the girl. The one fact that
Speaker 1: matters the most is are you still a Dean? Yes? No.
Speaker 1: The one fact that matters. I'm not with Rory. That's
Speaker 1: the one fact that matters. Yeah, but you can't be
Speaker 1: with Worry if Rory is with somebody else. But the
Speaker 1: bottom line, you cannot, Yes you can, you don't if
Speaker 1: she's with Dean. Dean was so weakened at this point.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, the Matador and the bull he had,
Speaker 1: he had so many swords in him at this point,
Speaker 1: from the master Mattador of Jess. Jess was like sticking
Speaker 1: that damn bull, like the bull was dying for God's sake.
Speaker 1: Terrible analogy. I'm sorry if it upset people. We're all
Speaker 1: interrupting each other, so I'm preparing for those, but I'm
Speaker 1: so upset. I don't actually function right now. I cannot function.
Speaker 1: Where he had so many letters, you talked all over
Speaker 1: each other, You're interrupting each other. I don't what to
Speaker 1: do right, don't want to do. I'm like Dean was
Speaker 1: like a pinaa. You know, there were time episode, but
Speaker 1: kind of a rival as that. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: nothing that Jess was clean, mopping up the floor with him,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you wouldn't call me. What
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do? You know, he didn't go
Speaker 1: get her, He did not get her back to start,
Speaker 1: allow to get her, and she won't break up with Dean,
Speaker 1: and she left again, and she's got the letter she's
Speaker 1: trying to write him. This is on her. She's thinking
Speaker 1: about Jess. She's obsessed with Jess. She she needed he
Speaker 1: all he needed to go go to Washington, make a
Speaker 1: magic moment and then she's yours. But why aren't you
Speaker 1: holding Brewery accountable at all? Right? It's not unheard to
Speaker 1: pursue him. The whole thing is on her. We're talking
Speaker 1: about her. Thing is on her? She is it is
Speaker 1: not on her? What Washington? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: I am flab literally doesn't say, Danielle, I need to
Speaker 1: lay down, I need to take crap. Like I don't
Speaker 1: even understand. Is this April fools fools happening? I just
Speaker 1: don't shock. What's so hard? You get on a bus,
Speaker 1: you your book a restaurant, you have some violins and
Speaker 1: some flowers, you book a hotel room. You make that
Speaker 1: magic and it's a great evening. And it's it's how
Speaker 1: your relationship started in earnest with with love, with vulnerability.
Speaker 1: And then the next day she's got a big smile
Speaker 1: on her face and he's on the bus back to
Speaker 1: stars Hollow and going with a big smile. Then there's
Speaker 1: no gross tongues at the counter, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: what's what's the big deal? He if you want somebody
Speaker 1: to go after them, you guys have just completely shut down.
Speaker 1: I can't even believe because they're so disagree Planet crazy
Speaker 1: right now, Planet crazy. This is so crazy because I
Speaker 1: know I'm right. I know that's not a question of
Speaker 1: being right. Look, we just have our opinions. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think Dean turned was transformed into a pinata.
Speaker 1: They're just there's they're slamming him. There's no candy in there. Okay,
Speaker 1: you weaken that character, you killed that character. Now you
Speaker 1: build up this whole thing with these two and it's like,
Speaker 1: let him, let him get on with it, key scenes
Speaker 1: in the doses diner. But you didn't call me? But
Speaker 1: you didn't all of a sudden, it's a big impediment
Speaker 1: when before he didn't give a damn. I think Jess
Speaker 1: is doing exactly what he should and is standing down
Speaker 1: until Rory finally crosses the line with well, guess what
Speaker 1: he didn't get the girl? Did he he didn't get her?
Speaker 1: It would be wrong. He's doing the right thing. Hey,
Speaker 1: if if having those two together is wrong, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be right. I can agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: As as an audience, I want to see them together.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see him making excuses why you
Speaker 1: know you didn't call me? You're with him and with Dean.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like she goes back to the pinata
Speaker 1: and she's happy. So well, that was an episode. Boy O,
Speaker 1: boy boy. The fur was flying on that one. That
Speaker 1: might have been a most heated episode to date. Good God,
Speaker 1: Amy's quiet. Amy's just gone. I've given up. I just
Speaker 1: have said my peace. She's just out. Look at her.
Speaker 1: She's truly blown away. Is defining. Why don't don't feel
Speaker 1: don't don't say goodbye like this? We had it. We
Speaker 1: had a disagreement. First of all, I love you guys.
Speaker 1: I love this episode. I stand by it, and I
Speaker 1: just can't wait for the comments. It's gonna be great. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's a great episode. It is not a great episode.
Speaker 1: Oh it was so good. I don't know why it's
Speaker 1: called Haunted Leg but Ton out of ten well Riley.
Speaker 1: Riley informed us that Laura is a line from Laura.
Speaker 1: I put that what it was? I just was did
Speaker 1: you guys say that out loud? Just no, no no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I missed it too. I missed it too, she said
Speaker 1: Laura I says at one point, yeah, I'm not feeling
Speaker 1: so good. My leg is haunted. So there you go again,
Speaker 1: another you know, another bone head title for a less
Speaker 1: than great episode, Haunted Leg. What the hell does that mean?
Speaker 1: This one was off for me. I'm sorry. Although I
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed discussing it.
Speaker 1: With you very astute ladies. And uh, I can't wait
Speaker 1: till next week. I don't even know. Was it because
Speaker 1: Christopher didn't have a leg to stand on or a
Speaker 1: spine to hold him up right? So that was good.
Speaker 1: Don't laugh, don't laugh at that, seeds of discontent. Oh no,
Speaker 1: that was good. All right, guys, everybody, Look, thank you
Speaker 1: for hanging in there with us. Uh, we definitely need
Speaker 1: to towel down. We need to get amy some I
Speaker 1: told you have to go lay down. I just she's
Speaker 1: got somewhere, she's gonna take a couple of laps in
Speaker 1: the pool. Um. Thanks for downloading. I love y'all, and uh,
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