1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always ready to celebrate 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Boxing Day. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I am here in rainy 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: southern California talking to my friend Will Gavitt, who's joining 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: us in the future at night in Boxing Day in 5 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: the UK. Welcome Will, regular. You know NFL dailians will 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: remember you joined me for a Thanksgiving show last season, 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: so you are the go to holiday guy, and Merry 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: Christmas to you. 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: The man who will do anything to get a mention 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 3: and the backup Britt gets on the backup quarterback show, 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: so it couldn't be more perfect. 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: That's not true. Will is the best, an old friend 14 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 1: and you can hear him of course on talkSPORT. He's 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: a viral superstar at this point after this season. We 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: enjoyed calling the games together this season, and we're going 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: to be calling the super Bowl together. Little breaking news 18 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: here with Ross Tucker, so something to look forward to there. 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: And yes, we're gonna recap the three Christmas games. We're 20 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about Lamar Jackson at the 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: end of this show because a lot's going on there 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: and I just thought this would be a good time 23 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: to do it. And yeah, it wasn't maybe the Christmas 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: slate that the NFL was expecting, But it had some 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: fun moments. It had some bittersweet moments, and why don't 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: we go to one of those. Let's go to Minnesota. 27 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 4: Second down, Minnesota's got minus six pass yards. Is the 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 4: motion Addison to the slot left snap handoff, Addison off 29 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 4: the motion thirty five to forty outside the numbers, forty 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 4: five to fifty on the gas pedal down the sideline, 31 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 4: fifteen to ten. 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: Push to the pylon. 33 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 4: He is no signal yet. 34 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 5: Daniel Thomas pushed him in touchdown, a. 35 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 4: Late signal, but a fruitful one for Minnesota to sleep 36 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 4: to the stars Tourdan Addison. 37 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: That was Jason Bennetti on Westwood One. Vikings win twenty 38 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: three to ten, ending the Lions season. And yes, holidays 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: can be bittersweet because it's a wonderful time with family 40 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: and sometimes you're thinking about the people you're missing are 41 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: just like time gone by. They were all getting older, 42 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: and in this football sense, watching the Lions miss the playoffs, 43 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: it was kind of a bummer. It felt it felt 44 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: like the end of something. But that was a great play, 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: a great call there by Jordan Addison during a game 46 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: will where at that point the Minnesota Vikings had roughly 47 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: seventy five yards from scrimmage like total yards on offense, 48 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: and yet they were winning the game, and that one 49 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: almost doubled the total yards for the game, and it 50 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: was just enough in one of the best defensive romances 51 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: of the season by any team by the Vikings, just 52 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: just ending the Lion season, giving their fans a big 53 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: lumper call on Christmas. 54 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned like Max Brosma sacked seven times. 55 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 2: I heard Jason Bonde say it there. 56 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: He ended up with three net passing yards in total 57 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: and his feet so loud in the pocket like they're 58 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 3: the two big runs and the big touchdowns. Of course, 59 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 3: but the key is they kept getting short fields because 60 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: of that defensive performance. 61 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: Six Lions turnovers meant they. 62 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: Had scoring drives of sixteen yards, twenty eight yards, four yards, 63 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: twenty one yards, and that sixty five yard Jets weeep 64 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: you just heard. But yeah, unbelievable performance from Brian Flores 65 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: getting absolutely in his bag. And it's just a shame 66 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: from a Vikings perspective that this is happening so late 67 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: in the season. Last five weeks They've been sensational on defense. 68 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: It's crazy they're in third place now. The Lions are 69 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: slated as of right now to play a last place 70 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: schedule next season. If you're gonna crash out, that's the 71 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: way to do it. Like you might get a little help. 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: It depends obviously on what happens in Week eighteen here, 73 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: but yeah, the Vikings have rallied all the way to 74 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: eight and eight, and it did remind me a little 75 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: bit of Brian Flores Jared Goff matchups of the past, 76 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: including a Super Bowl coordinated by Brian Flores where the 77 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: Rams only scored three points. And if you kind of 78 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: think about the Lion we'll get to a little bit 79 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: of the Vikings here, but to me, the story is 80 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: the Lions to turn the ball over six times for 81 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: it to end this way, and to kind of think 82 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: about how this Lions team really entered the national consciousness 83 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: became I feel like America's team certainly one of NFL 84 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: dailies teams. It was the twenty two Week eighteen game 85 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: on Sunday Night Football where they technically had nothing to 86 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: play for and they knocked Aaron Rodgers in the Packers 87 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: out of the playoffs and for it to kind of 88 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: flip all the way around and for them to get 89 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: knocked out by a team that had really nothing to 90 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: play for. And you think about how this season started 91 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: getting mollywopped by the Packers and they lose on another 92 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: holiday Thanksgiving where they're not competitive, and maybe it was 93 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: fitting to see Jared Garf just struggling against the blitz 94 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: again and leaving a lot of questions for this Lion's 95 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: team heady into the next season. 96 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned that struggle against the blitz because it 97 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 3: felt like all those Viking pressures were like not only 98 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: were they throwing all the blitzers at them and he 99 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: was blitz on fifty five point nine percent of drop 100 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: back six of sixteen in those situations, but what you 101 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 3: saw is every time he were in those blitz situations, 102 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: he was trying to do the right thing. He was 103 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: trying to go for the check down, he was trying 104 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: to replace the blitzer. He was trying to like offer 105 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 3: those quick screens as well, which we know with Andrew 106 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: Van Ginkel on the field, who don't want to be 107 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: doing at any point. But there seemed to be this 108 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: coaching point to the vikings of if he's going to 109 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 3: try that, get your hands up. And the number of 110 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: times that, like Jalen Redman's just getting into a lane 111 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: and sticking his arms up in the air and were 112 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,119 Speaker 3: sitting baut it down pass time and time and time again. 113 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 3: And it's slightly frustrating from a liance perspective that you're 114 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 3: just not seeing an adjustment to that, realizing, let you know, 115 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: they're going to do this. This isn't something new, This 116 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 3: isn't some wrinkle that Brian Flores has suddenly turned up 117 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: with this week, and yet the lines just seem to 118 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: have absolutely zero answer for it, and Jared Goff just 119 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: harassed all day long. 120 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: Well, I think it comes down to the personnel. We 121 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: talked about a little bit in the previous show with 122 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: Yes the starting brit Ally Connolly, who pointed out the 123 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: interior line and like, this is not the Lions team 124 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: that we've come to know and love. Taylor Decker, by 125 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: the way, wasn't there at left tackle, and then on 126 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: the interior they had two bad snaps from Kingsley Agu 127 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: Khan as part of their six turnovers. Their left guard, 128 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: Christian Mahogany was back, but the right guard is aw 129 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: Oseka and Tate Ratleis is the rookies just getting beaten up, 130 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: and yeah, the six turnovers really were the story of 131 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: the day. Let's actually lett into a man who I 132 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: spoke with. You did too, I believe. In the locker 133 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: room after a Vikings win in London, Harrison Smith, who 134 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: was hearing Hall of Fame chance and said after this 135 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: game that he said that was the most fun performance 136 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: he's ever been a part of. He thought it was 137 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: the single best defensive performance he's ever been a part 138 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: of it. And he's been a part of a lot 139 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: of big ones. His interception late in the third quarter 140 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: was a highlight to me. 141 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 4: He's a long setback on first OUN's that play action 142 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: to him. GoF loads up and saints it over the 143 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 4: middle man are accepted by Harrison Smith. He's down in 144 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 4: Lion's territory. It's the thirty ninth of his career, just 145 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: the second of his season. What can Notre Dane do 146 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 4: for you? 147 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 6: Harrison Smith baiting Jared Goff into throwing this football. Watching 148 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 6: the film, you know that when they do play action past, 149 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 6: Jared Goff loves to throw it to his r to 150 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 6: am and Ross Saint Brown but Harrison Smith took a 151 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 6: step back at the snap, giving a fake read to 152 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 6: Golf that he was dropping, and as soon as Golf 153 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 6: turned around, he drove on the football caught it. 154 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: With both hands. 155 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 6: Baby meet the baby carriage. 156 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: Great call there, That was Ryan Harris, who I believe 157 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: that Notre Dame grad on Westwood one and yeah, just 158 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: a cool moment for Harrison Smith. Maybe the end of 159 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: his career. Who knows, they maybe it won't be. And 160 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: that was part of a sequence will where there were 161 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: two straight turnover, two straight interceptions on two straight passes. 162 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: That one was more on Golf I think, getting a 163 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: little jumpy. You mentioned the blitz struggles. Yeah, he took 164 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: three sacks, had two interceptions and a fumble all on blitzes, 165 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: and he ended up having three turnovers in a four 166 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: dropback sequence because he fumbled the ball two when Dallas 167 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: Turner sacked him a few plays later on the next drive. 168 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: Just like a rough day here for Jared Goff. And 169 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: it's not like they're going to do anything different at quarterback, 170 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: but I do think the Lions kind of lost their way. 171 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: This was a team that couldn't like Black and they 172 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: couldn't run the ball either by the end of this season. 173 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: No, And look, you mentioned the offensive line struggles. 174 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 3: Penne Saw went out of this game briefly as well, 175 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: to just really compound all of that, and you've got 176 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: a third string right guard coming in and playing right 177 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: tackle on top of everything else. I think the difference 178 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 3: for me is you say, I don't think they're going 179 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: to make a change at quarterback. 180 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: I expect that. 181 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: Line to look steah and I expect that line to 182 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,599 Speaker 3: look healthier next season. And on the other side of 183 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 3: the ball, I think despite the fact that over the 184 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 3: past five weeks or so they have had a little 185 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 3: bit of a drop off, Kelvin Sheppard really does look 186 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: like the future. They generated a season high pressure rate 187 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 3: in this game. You know, Alcade Mohammad had an excellent game. 188 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: He had six pressures in this one. You know Max 189 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: Brosmus struggled I mentioned earlier, sacked seven times as well. 190 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 3: So there's a lot to like about this Lion's team 191 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: going into next year. It feels like a season that 192 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: you just you carry the ball, you right it off, 193 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: you burn the tape, you do whatever cliche you need 194 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,599 Speaker 3: to do, and then you get to righting some of 195 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 3: these wrongs in the off season. For the Viking side 196 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: of it, though, I really want to feel like the 197 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: fact that over I think it's they're now fifth in 198 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: weighted DVOA on defense, right and they haven't allowed a 199 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: passing success rate over forty percent since Week twelve of 200 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: the season, and they've not played a bunch of Hammon Eggers. 201 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: That's like playing the Cowboys and the Lions. But yet 202 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 2: with you mentioned Harrison Smith's future unclear, Eric Wilson's future unclear, 203 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: they're massively over the cap for next season, despite the 204 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: fact that they're playing a rookie quarterback. Like, I don't know, 205 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: I feel like a tea. Yeah, it feels like this 206 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: was an opportunity and they just threw it away. 207 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: They'll feel better about it because of how it finished 208 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: in December, but ultimately JJ McCarthy and the quarterback decisions 209 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: and the quarterback play hurt them on a team that 210 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: could have been competing to win games in the playoffs, 211 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: because we don't know this defense is going to be 212 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: together next year, whether they're going to be able to 213 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: keep it together as well as as it's been. And yeah, 214 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: if nothing else, they just feel better that Brian Flores 215 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: got to break them at the very end, and Dan 216 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: Campbell did sound a little broken after the game, which 217 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: always bumms me out. 218 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 7: Brad, now have a lot of decisions to make, you know, 219 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 7: a lot of things. You look at the watch, the 220 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 7: wise the how do we improve because we need to 221 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 7: improve And even if you have the core which you 222 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 7: believe in, whin we've got them is that? Man, It's 223 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 7: a new it's always a new team. You got to 224 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 7: find your own way, man. So it's disappointing, you know, 225 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 7: it's disappointing. So but it is what it is. 226 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: Oh man, that was I don't like seeing Dan Campbell 227 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: sad sad as one since the one where he said 228 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: we may never get back to this place in the 229 00:11:58,800 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. 230 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: You know, maybe he was right after what we saw today, 231 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: But I really feel like they will come back and 232 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: they will bounce back. But it is now just agree 233 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: just a much more difficult division now. I'm sure you know, 234 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 3: there'll be a lot of talk going into this weekend 235 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 3: of the fact the Bears can still get the one seed, 236 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 3: the Packers can still win the NFC North and despite 237 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: a weird season, when they get my cap Parsons back 238 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: when everything comes back around next year, like this is 239 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: going to be a tough out in any season for 240 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: the next five plus years. 241 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: It feels like I just I feel like the lines 242 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: are much better positioned than the Vikings to bounce back. 243 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: It is incredible how loaded this division is. It really is, 244 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: and I know things change from year to year. Like 245 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: sometimes you'll think of division is going to be great, 246 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: But I like the coaches so much in this division, 247 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: and other than the Vikings, I like the quarterbacks, And 248 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. It's gonna be a bloodbath every single season. 249 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: And I do think the Lions can get back. They 250 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: have a great nucleus. They have a lot of great 251 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: young players sign long term, but it will be a 252 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: different team. David Montgomery, for instance, I noticed how he 253 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: got in some hot water in Detroit about you know, 254 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: he like liked some posts where they were saying they 255 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: were giving the ball to Jamir gives too much. There 256 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: was some other comments that were like deleted. He seems 257 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: like someone who might have you might be coming to 258 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: the end of his Detroit time. And that's fine. They 259 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: are just reaching that point in the team build where 260 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: some favorites are gonna have to be cast aside because 261 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: they really need better play on both lines. That's the 262 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: number one thing. And you mentioned the Packers. I should 263 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,479 Speaker 1: have led with that. The Packers are in the playoffs. 264 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: The Lions loss clinches it. Green Bay is in the playoffs. 265 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: They're playing on Saturday night. They are still trying to 266 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: win the NFC North, So no reason to think that 267 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna rest starters or anything like that. You know, 268 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: they could help seeding. They could win the NFC North 269 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: with a little help from Chicago. But a massive turn 270 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: of events here with the Lions getting passed in this division. 271 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to our next game. It's the 272 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: other one on Christmas Day that we knew had some 273 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: playoff implications. Ken Denver avoid slipping on a banana peel 274 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: at aarhad. 275 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 8: Fourth and eight at the Denver twenty six, Holidokin in 276 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 8: the gun running back, hunt off his right, three receivers 277 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 8: right the snap, Holy Dookin back to throwing a clean 278 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 8: pocket all day, throwing deep down the middle into the end. 279 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: Zone, overthrows them all. It's incomplete. 280 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 5: It's a clean field. 281 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 8: No penalty flags intended for Hollywood Brown. Jae Kwon McMillan 282 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 8: in on the coverage and the Broncos defense turns away 283 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 8: Kansas City on fourth down and they'll move to thirteen 284 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 8: and three. The Broncos the number one seed at the 285 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 8: moment in the AFC playoff race. 286 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: Oh, they held on to that one seed just barely. 287 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: That was JP Shagik on Westwood One. Came down to 288 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: the final Kansas City snap under thirty seconds to go. 289 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: They still have a chance to tie it up. It's 290 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: twenty to thirteen the Broncos win. They will be watching 291 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: the Chargers Texans on Saturday here in Los Angeles and 292 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: rooting for a Texans victory that would clinch the AFC 293 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: West for the Broncos. If not, it'll come down to 294 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: Week eighteen. Chargers Broncos for the division, possibly for the 295 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: one seed. Denver will have to keep playing almost certainly 296 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: into Week eighteen if they want to get that one seed. 297 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: The takeaway when I'm driving home, I watched the movie 298 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: last night. I know you're asleep by now. You were working. 299 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: By the way, why were you working Vikings Lions up 300 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: until one thirty in the morning. You didn't have to 301 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: do that. You're the boss. People don't know that, but 302 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: you're the boss. You could have assigned someone else to that. 303 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: You could have just not even taken that game. I 304 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: wasn't even watching this game live. I'm like, I'm gonna 305 00:15:55,400 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: go see a Korean vengeful comedy, no other choice with 306 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: my buddy Anthony Justin, and we had a good time. 307 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: I didn't watch this game way, but I got to admit. 308 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: Look, we're gonna talk obviously about the game flow of 309 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: this game and what a wild game flow it was. 310 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 3: But the first half was so short because of those 311 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: long Broncost drives that you chose to go see a 312 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 3: career movie. I was on my way home from work 313 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: at one am yesterday. You had this choice between obviously 314 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: you should go to bed, probably if you're in the UK, 315 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: but you either had you could watch the Broncos game, 316 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 3: or you could start the new second half of the 317 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: season of Stranger Things, which is. 318 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: What Netflix was pushing. Oh okay, Yeah, the first half. 319 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: Of this game was so short that you could have 320 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: watched the entire first episode of that game of Strange Things. 321 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: Flipped over and you were in a halftime. 322 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: Like it was shorter than an episode of a TV 323 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 3: It was that just quick and It was that ridiculous, 324 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: how just this Bonix and this Broncos offense that this 325 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 3: dink and duncan slow like four possessions of fourteen plus 326 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 3: yards that took thirty two minutes in this game. This 327 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 3: was a dream for people who were staying to one 328 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: in the morning to watch this game, because it meant 329 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 3: it was over by about three am and you could 330 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 3: all go to bed. 331 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: Fairpoint, it was mid second quarter before I even left, 332 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: so I did end up watching this first half, and 333 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: it was ridiculous. My hottest take from this game, because 334 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a ton moving forward to draw 335 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: from this game, is that I'm impressed by the Broncos 336 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: winning how they did. I don't care how it came 337 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: down to the end. When you really watch the flow 338 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: of this game, it was a dominant performance. They had 339 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: over three hundred yards, the Chiefs had under one hundred 340 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: and forty. They like you mentioned, if there's only seven 341 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: offensive drives and four of them go for fourteen plays 342 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: or more and you're scoring touchdowns on two of them, 343 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a good offensive performance. And the 344 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: thing that I will be impressed by is that ultimately 345 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: the Broncos get the ball back, like mid third quarter, 346 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: they're losing, they go on a long touchdown drive. They 347 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: make it happen. Bo Nick's with his legs makes it happen. 348 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: And then they get another ball back again in a 349 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: position they probably didn't expect. Tied late fourth quarter, and 350 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: what do they do. They go on another long touchdown 351 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: drive and Steve Spagnola had a clear game plan here 352 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: will they just they decided not to blitz and Bonex 353 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: did not get pressured much and they just made them 354 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: dinking dunk down the field. And a couple times, you know, 355 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: the Broncos make some mistakes. Cortland Sutton dropped two nice 356 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: passes in the red zone. They probably would have scored 357 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: a touchdown on a different drive where they had to 358 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: sell for a field goal. Bo Nicks missed the pass 359 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: or two early, but I thought he played pretty well. 360 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: It just was one of those nights. It's a short week, 361 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: it's it's Christmas. The crowd's going crazy. This is kind 362 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: of what even for one seeds games look like in 363 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: Week seventeen. Sometimes even when you're playing an underman team. 364 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you say, short week, going on the 365 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 3: road against a team who, yes, they are falling apart 366 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 3: at the seams. 367 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: But you know, Travis Kelce, probably his last game, which. 368 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll get onto, there was a lot of 369 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 3: emotion on the day that the inception right, Christian Fulton 370 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 3: gets across and just makes an unbelievable play on the 371 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 3: ball and Nick Bolton in full tip drill mode like 372 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: that can't be on Bonicks. The throw is placed exactly 373 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 3: where it needs to be to pick up that first down, 374 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 3: particularly when he's scrambling outside the pocket to his left. 375 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: It's interest what you said about the blitzing, because what 376 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: I thought about this game watching those long, dinky donkey 377 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 3: drives that we're talking about, is that actually Bonix twenty 378 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 3: five of thirty four one hundred and seventy six yards 379 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 3: in a touchdown when playing in structure, and I think 380 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 3: he was only three of ten on passes over ten yards, 381 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 3: but they had a fifty five percent offensive success rate, 382 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 3: and this was you know, this is kind of what 383 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 3: Sean Payton wants if he thinks this Boncos team are 384 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 3: going to go and win games in the playoffs, because 385 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 3: he wants them to be able to go. 386 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,239 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what you throw of us. 387 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: We'll just be able to pick it apart in the 388 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 3: most Sean Payton way possible. We don't need to go 389 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 3: and take those deep shots necessarily. 390 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you did your work here. I mean it's 391 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: Boxing Day, you're working on Christmas, and you got like 392 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: a lot of status. That's also what I mean, by 393 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: the way, why I'm relatively impressed by the Broncos here, 394 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: because like it shouldn't have been this close. It was, 395 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: like you mentioned success rate, that the Chiefs offense didn't 396 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: really do anything. They were set up on some short 397 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: fields and took advantage, and Chris Oladukan actually made a 398 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: couple plays where you're like, Okay, I think he's going 399 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: to stay in the NFL, like he can be a 400 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: second or third quarterback. But they were still very limited. 401 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: Their success rate was twenty eight percent, so that the 402 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: profile of this game was that of a blowout but 403 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: a couple times and you mentioned that Fulton tip that 404 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: interception was one of the best interceptions of the year. 405 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: A third and twelve where Nicks is throwing it and 406 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: just a total diving incredible play by Fulton, who's played 407 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: a little better. He's starting to play the last couple 408 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: weeks and it might mean something for him. He signed 409 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: a pretty big free agency contract and I figured he 410 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: would get cut this offseason. But he's looked good the 411 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: last couple of weeks and Nick Bolton ends up diving 412 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: to make that interception, and there's some this is a 413 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: little wild here, and well there's some talk in Kansas 414 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: City they got their own salary cap stuff. Would Trent 415 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: McDuffie ever be on the trade block kind of like 416 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: to Lagerious Sneed was back in the day, because he's not. 417 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: He's coming off like a kind of not a great season, 418 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: And then you look tonight and or on Christmas and 419 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: it was like, Noel Williams is playing, well, you have Fulton, 420 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: you have some young guys. It just might be the 421 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: type of move that they do to get some draft 422 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: picks back like they once did with Lagerious Need. 423 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 3: I guess the difficulty as well is when you made 424 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 3: that Lagarious Sneed decision. Part of that decision was that 425 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: you were going to pay Chris Jones and pay him 426 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 3: big and keep him right. And he has the penalty 427 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 3: last night, which I thought Bonix on his cadence, we've 428 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: been hearing a lot of like the center mic over 429 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 3: recent days with the phil Rivers against the forty nine 430 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 3: ers last week on Monday, Like, they've been really amping 431 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 3: that thing up, and I thought he did a really 432 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 3: great job in that situation. But you've if they're gonna 433 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 3: let Trump McDuffie go, as much as he's not had 434 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 3: a great year this year, they need to be putting 435 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 3: more into the front. They need to be getting more 436 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: pass rushed because George garg. 437 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 2: Isn't a one. 438 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: Chris Jones has flashed in two or three games this year, 439 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 3: but hasn't been the dominant guy we've seen in January 440 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 3: of recent seasons. Like, I just I don't know letting 441 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: a piece that good go, even if he's had a 442 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 3: down year. 443 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: Oh, that's kind of wild. I've got a question for you, though, Greg. 444 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: You mentioned about like that you thought that, you know, 445 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: the Chiefs still managed to put some stuff together. 446 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: I mean the Chiefs. 447 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 3: The Chiefs are playing like third string tackles, and they've 448 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 3: got a quarterback that basically like even the most ardent 449 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: NFL fan probably hadn't. 450 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: Heard of until two weeks ago. 451 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Broncos get one sack in this game 452 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 3: and really don't get a lot of pressure on him. Otherwise, 453 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: this is meant to be a much vaunted, absolutely top 454 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 3: tier defense, and I don't know if they're just holding 455 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 3: back it, they're saving themselves a little bit. 456 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: But I look back over the last few games. 457 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 3: I look back over the performance particularly ainst the Jags, 458 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: but even the Packers game, the Commander's game, where they 459 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 3: gave him. 460 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: A lot of lot yardage a lot of points. 461 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 3: So I just think it's clearly a good defense. But 462 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 3: am I feeling the same way I felt about it 463 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 3: for the first ten weeks the season. I feeling like 464 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: I feel about the Texans, where I'm like, that's a 465 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 3: defense that can carry a game for you. 466 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 2: I'm less convinced all of a sudden. 467 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, Traditionally they also load up on these under you know, 468 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: powered quarterbacks and destroy them. And I look, if you 469 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: give up one hundred and forty yards, it's tough to 470 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: kill the defense. But I'm with you that you do 471 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: wonder if a little bit of Vance Joseph's play Colleen 472 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: magic is starting to run out in terms of the 473 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: league catching up with them, and they're gonna have to go. 474 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: But again, some really good offenses depending on the matchups 475 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: and That's why it's so important in the AFC what 476 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: the matchup is, because I think they're they're going to 477 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: be more vulnerable to a team that I think has 478 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: a loaded offense than the vice versa, then being able 479 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,959 Speaker 1: to like play a team like let's say the Chargers 480 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: are Texans who are you know, not as good on offense. 481 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,479 Speaker 1: So if they play the Bills and the Patriots, can 482 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: they keep up in a shootout? That's a fair point. Yeah, 483 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: the casey was playing two tackles that did not play 484 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: tack high school football, which is interesting. It was their 485 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: fifth and six tackles as a pole and another gentleman 486 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: that now is escaping me that I wasn't familiar with. 487 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: You mentioned Kelsey could be his last game. Was pretty 488 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: interesting that Patrick Sartan was on him for most of 489 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: the game and so he was quiet relatively at a 490 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: couple of catches early. He ends up with the most targets, 491 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: the most catches on the team, but that's only five 492 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: for thirty six. He spoke after the game, you know 493 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: about a night where you know, they introduced him last 494 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: and it's getting emotional and if it was the last night, 495 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: it kind of felt like it. 496 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 9: No The only time it ever crossed my mind is 497 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 9: I was driving in the other day and I saw 498 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 9: how much the power ball was and I was like, Man, 499 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 9: if I could just win, I wouldn't have to work 500 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 9: another day in my life. Oh no, man, Honestly, I've 501 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 9: been just focused on trying. 502 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 7: To win football games. 503 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 9: Man, I'll let that be a decision that I make 504 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 9: with my family, friends, the Chiefs organization. 505 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: When the time comes, we'll see. I don't know, by 506 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: the way, I think they've got enough money in the Kelsey. 507 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 3: That documentary has played in my house over the recent 508 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 3: week or so, and yeah, watching it back, I'm like, 509 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be fine. I do question though, Like, 510 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 3: as much as he's obviously like a walking Hall of Famer, 511 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's questioning his place in NFL history 512 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 3: and what they've achieved. But how much does it say 513 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 3: about this Chief's offense right now that Patsatown was matched 514 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 3: up on Travis Kelcey, Yeah a lot last night. I 515 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 3: think seven occasions he was targeted twice of those one 516 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 3: reception eleven year. Like, I know that Travis kelce has 517 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: been their best receiver for a long time, but they 518 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 3: just doesn't feel like I don't know. 519 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: It feels like there's a lot with this Chiefs team 520 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: that has to happen. 521 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 3: We were just talking about with lines and vikings, which 522 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: of those teams you think is set up to bounce 523 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: back quickly next year? I really like I think it 524 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: was Ollie said this on I can't remember it's on 525 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 3: your show, on his own show. But they need a 526 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 3: new voice in the room. They need somebody there who's 527 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 3: going to try and shake things up a little bit, 528 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 3: actually help with the run game. 529 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 2: And I don't know this Chief's team right now. 530 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 3: As much as this was a fun performance last night, 531 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: we've just picked apart why the defense is gonna be 532 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 3: great next year without major investment. They're losing Travis Kelce. Like, 533 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 3: outside of Mahomes, what are we excited about about this 534 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 3: team next season? 535 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Xavier Worthy has not really stepped up. They 536 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: had put Racie Rice on injured reserve. Like the biggest 537 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: play they had on offense was a pass interference to Worthy. 538 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: They actually did not complete an air yard pass over 539 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: ten yards, only the tenth time that that's happened all 540 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: season long. The tackle. I feel bad when I don't 541 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: name a man. So it was Chuldwabuca Godrich for the 542 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: Chiefs playing in his first game, and yeah, you're right, 543 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: the pass pro wasn't really a problem. Nick Benito's been 544 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: pretty quiet. He was very hard on himself after last 545 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: week's game, saying that he thought he did not play well, 546 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: and they have been relatively quiet. Shout out to the 547 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: crowd in this game. I just want to give a 548 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: little bit of love that, like they were live, they 549 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: were in it. They just found out that they're moving 550 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: the team. You know, I know it's only twenty miles away, 551 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of Chiefs fans that are not 552 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: happy about that. It's Christmas night, this team is out 553 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 1: of it, and I think the home team gave him 554 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: a good show. They're like showing mahomes up in the 555 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 1: in the booth and he's cheering after the first touchdown. 556 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: I just give them some credit as good fans on 557 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: the end of a tough season. 558 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 3: They got a little of stick few weeks ago as 559 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: well for that Chargers game where there were a lot 560 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: of people who left early in a three point game, 561 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 3: And so yeah, they deserve a little bit of praise 562 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 3: because generally I've been there before. It's a pretty great crowd, 563 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: but may think they've rested on their laurels a bit. 564 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: One of one. Maybe it's I mean, Lambeau is its 565 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: own thing, but Arrowhead is such a unique, great atmosphere 566 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: and they're going to have it for what four or 567 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: five more years here, But there just aren't other places 568 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: like that. And ultimately, Broncos fans you're listing bo Nicks 569 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: is playing well. I think he's playing his best part 570 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: his best football this season. Right now, you did what 571 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: you needed to do, and who cares about style points. 572 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: Let's take a break. On the other side. We are 573 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: going to talk about the Cowboys Washington game, but I'm 574 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: even more interested to talk about this Lamar Jackson John 575 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: Harvar Raven situation. We will wrap with that. 576 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 4: Just shot gun stat Prescott steps up into the pocket, 577 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 4: fires down the middle of the field. 578 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 5: It's turpenen stright at the forty running away from the defense, 579 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 5: turp into the twenty to ten touchdown. 580 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: Dallas Covan Date Chirpin. 581 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 5: If it stands an eighty six yard touchdown grab, but 582 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 5: there is a flag down back at the eleven yard. 583 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: Line, tie defense number four. That penalty has declined. 584 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 9: Results of the play touchdown. 585 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 5: It stands in Cavant date Chirpin with an eighty six 586 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 5: yard touchdown, grab breaking away from the defense and breaking 587 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 5: open this game. 588 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: It's twenty to three. 589 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 5: Dallas with seven minutes to go in the second. 590 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: Woof that Cowboys offense, I will miss watching them. That's 591 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: JP Shadduck on Westwood One. Rather, that's Jason Horowitz, our 592 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: friend on Westwood one. 593 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 5: Uh. 594 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: They scored three touchdowns, three possessions to start the game. 595 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: Cavante Turpin, I've always wanted, you know, let's build a 596 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: little more of the offense around one of the fastest 597 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: players in the league. But whenever they try, it doesn't 598 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: quite work. So maybe one catch one to eighty six 599 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: yard touchdown is the perfect way to use them. The 600 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: Cowboys hold on in the second half to win thirty 601 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: to twenty three. This is what I want out of 602 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: a meaningless game in terms of playoff you know, scenarios 603 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: to start off Christmas date. If we're gonna have no 604 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: playoff scenarios, just give me a lot of offense early 605 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: and that's what we got from the Cowboys. 606 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, Cowboys get out twenty one three lead early Doors 607 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 3: and Dak Prescott's looking absolutely sensational through this game. They 608 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 3: converted six fourth downs successfully, they round eighty seven offensive 609 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 3: plays to Washington's forty one, and they beat them INtime 610 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 3: posestion by seventeen minutes. Like, how is this game a 611 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 3: one score game? 612 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 2: At the end of it is? What is beyond me? 613 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: Because dan Quinn always finds a way to like make 614 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: it look closer than it really was. He kicked that 615 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: field goal at the end and then kicked it off, 616 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: which wasn't a crazy decision over two minutes to go. 617 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: It was probably his best chance to win. Was hope 618 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: to get a three and out, and of course they 619 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: could not get a three and out, and the Cowboys 620 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: finished the game with the ball. Yeah, you know what 621 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: I was thinking about during this game. You know we 622 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: think about on these holidays, like the past and generations 623 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: before us and stuff. Let just think about Marty Schottneimer. 624 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: This was a Marty Schottenheimer game. The first two drives 625 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: had thirty plays, but for the Cowboys, that's the longest 626 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: any first two drives have been all season in the NFL. 627 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: They finished with forty four rushing attempts for two hundred 628 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: and eleven yards. Just outrageous. They lose Javonte Williams to 629 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: a neck injury at halftime, and yet it didn't really matter. 630 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: Malik Davis, who was getting the ball in the first 631 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: half quite a bit, goes over one hundred yards on 632 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: twenty carries. They're giving the ball the Hunter Lipke, their 633 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: full back as a real tailback. They didn't have anyone 634 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: else will and they picked up a third and eight run. 635 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: At one point to Lipkey, it was like a give 636 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: up play or a setup the fourth down play, but 637 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: they just got the first down anyways. And they only 638 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: punted one time the Cowboys, and that was because George 639 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: Pickens dropped like an easy throw from Dak Prescott on 640 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: third and eight, which had Ceedee Lamb reacting like either 641 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: he was mad that George Pickens dropped it, or this 642 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: is on my raider a little bit. Maybe it was 643 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: mad that the ball didn't go to him. I'm just 644 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: kind of watching that as George Pickens continues to outproduce 645 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: CD Lamb. But yeah, they completely dominated this commander's defense 646 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: all day. 647 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's personally on the commander's defense, which we'll 648 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 3: get onto the shout out. So you mentioned Marty Brian 649 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 3: Schottenheimer has been as surprising and impressive as a head 650 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 3: coach performance. I think of people that were appointed last 651 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 3: season as I think we've really seen this year, and 652 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 3: him and Clayton Adams between them, they got in their bag. 653 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 3: They recognized that you were able to run on this 654 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 3: commandity defense and all this interior stuff as well, and 655 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 3: they basically just went like, draw trap power. Are we 656 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 3: going to throw absolutely everything at you We've got in 657 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 3: our bag and it's just gonna just crush you, just 658 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 3: completely batter those doors down. Malik Davis, I saw he 659 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 3: had one hundred and three rushing yards. Of that, ninety 660 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 3: three of them came on inside carries. It was just, 661 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 3: you know, it's meant to be the inside carries set 662 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 3: up the big outside place and that's where we'll get 663 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 3: our big plays from. And Nope, they just ran it 664 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 3: up the gut time and time again. And Washington don't 665 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 3: bring a lot of guys to the line of scrimmage. 666 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 3: That's part of like how that how that dan Quinn 667 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 3: defense is set up. But I mean, we just talked 668 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 3: about with Kansas City them needing a new voice in 669 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: the room desperately. 670 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 2: Yes, we were in Madrid. 671 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 3: When dan Quinn took over the play calling from Joett Junior, 672 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 3: and I was watching back the last few games, it 673 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 3: kind of preparing for, right, what could dan Quinn throw 674 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 3: differently at this defense that Joe it hasn't been and 675 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 3: Joe It was basically calling dan Quinn's defense like to 676 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 3: the letter. None of the play calling has changed at all. 677 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 3: It's still a throwback to the early twenty tens. Dan 678 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 3: Quinn defenses of that kind of Seahawks, Mold, etc. 679 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 2: And I don't know. They just when you're that predictable, 680 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 2: you've got. 681 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 3: To have great players, and instead they're mostly slow and 682 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 3: old at this point. 683 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 2: And I don't know. 684 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: It's it's difficult to watch, it really is, And they're 685 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: two years into this. So the fact that dan Quinn's 686 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: defense is stunk both years, because they basically stunk last 687 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: year despite making the NFC Championship, is concerning because they 688 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: don't have schematic answers. They certainly don't have answers on personnel. 689 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: Everyone's old on that defense except for Gierson Newton. Johnny 690 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: Newton was the nickname as a draft pick who I 691 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: was really high on at the time. Three and a 692 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: half sacks in this game and another few quarterback hits. 693 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: The crazy thing is Dak Prescott took six sacks in 694 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: this game, a lot of sacks considering their pressure rate 695 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: wasn't that high. But he was trying to make the 696 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: big play. And you asked and TJ. Batt they had 697 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,919 Speaker 1: They had some replacements on the offensive line downs. You asked, 698 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: how is the game close when you know the Cowboys 699 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: were so dominant offensive? Well, it was because the Cowboys 700 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: defense was on the field and Washington did pop a 701 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: couple good runs and Josh Johnson looked pretty good. Let's 702 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: actually listen to probably what will be our last Bill 703 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: Krofsky Merritt call of the year. 704 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 5: Miss Johnson under center for a first and ten with 705 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 5: a handoff over the right side prosty Marrit brick Spray. 706 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 5: He's at the fifteen on the first timeline. They won't 707 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 5: touch him. It's at the ten, bangling, It's all touchdown Bill. 708 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 5: His second touchdown today. He just rolled the slave seventy 709 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 5: two yard here on Christmas Day. 710 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 1: That laughter, by the way, is our friend Ross Tucker, 711 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: who joining us on the super Bowl call. They got 712 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: something in Bill. Both his touchdown runs were awesome, Like 713 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: Bill is who people think Isaiah Piccheco is. He's gotta 714 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: be a role player. But here's a young player that 715 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: you can have and it might be twelve carries a 716 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: game like maybe he's not playing every down or whatever, 717 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: but he makes people miss watching the prime vision. By 718 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: the way, for that Chiefs game, I mean Pacheco cannot 719 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 1: find the whole like he has the worst vision of 720 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: like any starting running back. They actually did a great job, 721 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: that's beside the point blowing open horse, but so did 722 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: the Commanders. A couple of nice runs there by the Commanders. 723 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: That's how they kept it close as the Cowboys enter 724 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: an offseason where they got to figure out a lot undefensed. 725 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 3: I thought Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark flashed in this game. 726 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 3: I mean, Kenny Clark cap it next season is ridiculous, 727 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 3: so there'll need to be some reworking there. It was 728 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 3: the Jadavian Clowney game, a guy who I know you've 729 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 3: had the back of for a very long time. Six pressures, 730 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 3: one and a half sacks. He did well in the 731 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 3: run game as well, so like he had a decent game. 732 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 3: But yeah, they I don't know, not Ben don't break quite, 733 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 3: but they just they seemed to once they were up 734 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 3: twenty one to three, maybe a little foot off the 735 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 3: gas ped No, they. 736 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: Were at the whole time. This is actually one of 737 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: the worst EBERFLUS games of the season because the Commanders 738 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: only had eight possessions. Even at halftime, Will like, the 739 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: Commanders had only had the ball three times and they 740 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: had driven. You know, they had ten points, which points 741 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: per drive. That's excellent, that's leading the league. You know, 742 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: Josh Johnson averaged over eight yards pert tempt. They averaged 743 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: eight yards per play on the Cowboys. I know it 744 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: wasn't perfect, like they had a couple punts, but they 745 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: they weren't making mistakes. Josh Johnson, I thought if he 746 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: wanted to earn another year in the NFL, I mean, 747 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: he's certainly nubby. Yeah, I mean he's thirty nine to 748 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: forty years old. He's been in the NFL. They have 749 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: been in professional football like seventeen years. But yeah, he 750 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: could come in. The reason I called for that highlight 751 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: I totally forgot was that was a funny moment in 752 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: the game because I don't know if you had this 753 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: you had a different situation on Netflix but Clinton Portis 754 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: was like part of the broadcast at that moment, and 755 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 1: Netflix was popping in old stars throughout the day, giving 756 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: it kind of a preseason vibe. They had bad connections. 757 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: It was a bad idea, but the best moment of 758 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: the day in terms of the guests where Clinton Portis 759 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: popped in. First of all, you know, just love hearing him, 760 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: and literally one play in, you know, Bill pops that run, 761 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: so it was like it was like the vibes of 762 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: Clinton Portis led them to a touchdown. 763 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,439 Speaker 3: We got the ones where they were on the call, 764 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 3: so like Chris Carter popping up in the Vikings game 765 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 3: randomly for example, we did get a few of those, 766 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 3: but nothing. 767 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 2: Nothing. 768 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 3: In the interim, we got our little Scott Hansen Kyle 769 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 3: Long showing us tweets from all around the world and 770 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 3: telling us how football works, which. 771 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: Was okay, okay, well you're an expert. 772 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 3: But no, no, I tell you I was I was 773 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 3: listening to the great man Ross Tucker, That's what I 774 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 3: was doing, and listening to the West, So I. 775 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: Guess that was you know, that was the difference is 776 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: you don't get the commercial. So yeah, rough game, and 777 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: like Washington didn't have two of their offensive line, and 778 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: Piatash got hurt in this game. Tunsel was out for 779 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: this game, and so that's why I think it was 780 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: even worse by the Cowboys deference Week eighteen. You know 781 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: they're they're going to be in the mix for draft positioning. 782 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm in the mix to at least save myself and 783 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: get to that eight eight and one that I say. 784 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: I've been saying since the day they had that tie. 785 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: I said, this team, I don't know how they're gonna 786 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: get there, but they're gonna get to a eight and one. 787 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 1: It's gonna be annoying, but it will happen, and they 788 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 1: have I believe. I believe the Giants next week, so 789 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: they got a chance to do it. Jake Ferguson Andevante 790 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: Williams got hurt in this game, so it'll be a 791 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: little higher. If not, I think I have to do 792 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 1: something for Nick right like put up his signage of 793 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: his show in the background of our show, something like that. 794 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: So I need them to get that eighth win for me. 795 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: I think they can do it. 796 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 3: You say that you did obviously this is from your 797 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 3: over under draft with me. We did a similar thing 798 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 3: on talkSPORT where we were looking through those records, and 799 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 3: I very famously, for amongst my friends, went on a 800 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 3: earlier in the year and went, are you really telling 801 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 3: me that fifteen win team are going to drop down 802 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 3: to eight and a half wins because they lost? Sam 803 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 3: Donald banged the over on eight and a half on 804 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,399 Speaker 3: the bar if they beat the Pacas in the last 805 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 3: week of the season, scriping into the last second. 806 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: That was one of my draft picks too. I had 807 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: my worst year ever doing that, so that was disappointing. 808 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: All right, that's the Cowboys win. They're up to seven 809 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: eight and one. Now it is time for Quarterback Keeper, 810 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 1: presented by Snapdragon. I said, we'd finished the show talking 811 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: a little Lamar Jackson. He's doubtful for Saturday night, so 812 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: very unlikely he plays that game, you know, very unlikely. 813 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: I think that they win that game with Tyler Huntley, 814 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: and so then you kind of think Lamar Jackson's season 815 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: is probably over. We've been talking about the possible, you know, 816 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 1: Sayonara for John Harbaugh this show now for a couple 817 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: of weeks. I think it's time. Mike Preston, who has 818 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: been writing columns for the Baltimore Sun for a couple 819 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: of decades wrote a fascinatingly timed one after Lamar Jackson 820 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: was already missing practice that he thinks Lamar Jackson and 821 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: John Harbaugh could be headed for a breakup and posited 822 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: it as a potential opportunity right now to trade Lamar Jackson. 823 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: When the columnist in town writes this piece, it doesn't 824 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: happen in a vacuum. The timing is purposeful. I want 825 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: to get into some of the specifics of it, but 826 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,760 Speaker 1: that plus what I already was thinking about, the situation 827 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,240 Speaker 1: to me is really fascinating. And I expect the Ravens 828 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: season to end on Saturday Night, and they really are 829 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: the most fascinating team to watch this offseason. The Chiefs 830 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: are pretty close, the Lions are in the mix. Like 831 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: it's some of the good teams this year that are 832 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: really interesting watch, but the Ravens are at the top 833 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: of my list. What were your takeaways from this article 834 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: and just the Lamar Jackson story right now? 835 00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,439 Speaker 3: So I did a potentially slightly you know, I don't 836 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 3: know anyone on Boxing Day who's making such a wild 837 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 3: decision as this. I went to Raven's reddit because I 838 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 3: really wanted to get an impression of what the fans 839 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 3: thought of Mike Preston as a writer, of the timing 840 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,320 Speaker 3: of this piece. Like you say it, you get guys 841 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 3: like whether it's Grant Cone with the forty nine ers 842 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 3: or Omar Kelly with the Dolphins, who like they might 843 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,840 Speaker 3: sometimes write good stuff in Grant Cone's case, probably not, 844 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 3: but like they are divisive to say the least. And 845 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 3: I did find a piece that somebody posted from two 846 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,240 Speaker 3: thousand and five where Mike Preston absolutely buries Brian Billick 847 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 3: because of his treatment of ray Lewis and holding him 848 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 3: up too highly and letting him get away with whatever 849 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 3: he wanted to and not having him be a leader. 850 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 3: And essentially it reads very similarly to this Lamar Jackson piece, 851 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 3: slightly differently in terms of it's a different age and 852 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 3: we're not getting video games and late for practice and 853 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 3: things like that with ray Lewis. But I don't know, 854 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 3: it felt like a hit piece, Like it felt like 855 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 3: it was targeted, and it felt like it was something 856 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 3: that was designed to make a change happen. The problem 857 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 3: is it's really interesting, like, as you know, I've been 858 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 3: doing this Channel five stuff here in the UK recently, 859 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 3: which you've done previously on the Monday Night Football, but 860 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 3: they do for the one pm Eastern games. The show 861 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 3: is very much designed to be a bit more of 862 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 3: a layman show. It's designed for like new fans and 863 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 3: trying to track people in and they bring in celebrity 864 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 3: guests to quite often aren't big NFL fans or kind 865 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 3: of follow it like semi closely. And the guy who 866 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 3: was on this week's a comedian called Sean Walsh, and 867 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 3: he was asking me, I head coach firings in the 868 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 3: NFL like manager firings in football, where guys last like 869 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 3: six months and just disappear, And I'm like, no, if anything, 870 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 3: quite a lot of the time in the NFL it's 871 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 3: the opposite. It's you know, we get these situations like 872 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,439 Speaker 3: Mike Tommlin, like John Harbor, where we're all questioning are 873 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 3: they really the future of the franchise several times over 874 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 3: the course of the last few years, and either consistently 875 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 3: get proven wrong or you just get that back of 876 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,240 Speaker 3: look at what they've achieved, look at what they've achieved, 877 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 3: look at what they've achieved. 878 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 2: Over and over. 879 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 3: I just my feeling on this is always there is 880 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 3: only one goal in the NFL. There's only one team 881 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 3: that win at thirty two, there is only one trophy 882 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 3: to lift. And if you really don't feel like if 883 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 3: you feel like I've got a generational quarterback, which what 884 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson is, and you don't feel like what's happening 885 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 3: in the building is working to get that guy to 886 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 3: that place, then maybe it is time to make a change. 887 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean, trading Lamar Jackson's insane. I have so many 888 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 1: thoughts about this, and I quote tweeted it and I 889 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: got a lot of people misinterpreting what I was saying. 890 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,399 Speaker 1: And what I said was that after reading this, i'man 891 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: even more convinced that Lamar and John Harbor are not 892 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: going to be together next year, and it would be 893 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: insane to trade Lamar Jackson. That's my main takeaway. It's 894 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 1: not that everything in the piece is true. It's that 895 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 1: the existence of the piece speaks to an incredible fracture 896 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: between John Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson, and it reads from 897 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 1: the outside to someone's airing of grievances of Lamar Jackson 898 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 1: that it's desperation time, it's fourth down. John Harbaugh's career 899 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,360 Speaker 1: might be at the forty seven yard line and his 900 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: hail Mary is letting this thing out because it doesn't 901 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 1: come out in a total vacuum, and there was like 902 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: no sourcing here. And some of the bigger accusations in 903 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: the piece, which we're interesting to see, was that you know, 904 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson sometimes is a sleep at meetings, that Harbaugh 905 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: is kind of sick of him, and how he I 906 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: think maybe approaches the game that he shouldn't be up 907 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 1: late at night, like playing video games. That was the 908 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: most ridiculous one that they've moved move practices to the afternoon, 909 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: I think in training camp, I believe, or because of 910 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Oh, like some of those are probably they 911 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,760 Speaker 1: all probably have varying degrees of truth, and there's probably 912 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: some truth to a lot of it. And frankly, it's 913 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: stuff that has been buzzed around that building and outside 914 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: of the building since Lamar's contract negotiation a few years ago. 915 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 1: You would hear that almost the exact same stuff coming 916 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 1: out kind of from the Ravens side of things. So 917 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: it might not all be coaching stuff, and maybe front 918 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,439 Speaker 1: office it might who even knows. There's I'm sure there's 919 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: elements of truth to all of it. My bigger thing 920 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: was the fact that this is all coming out right now, 921 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: is like, oh, come on, because Lamar's going to see that. 922 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,280 Speaker 1: Everyone in the organization's going to see that. John Harbaugh 923 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: goes up on the podium the next day and says 924 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,520 Speaker 1: he has an A plus plus relationship with Lamar Jackson. 925 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,280 Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking everyone inside that building knows the truth, 926 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: and now everyone outside the building is starting to realize 927 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: the truth because me doth protests too much. And I 928 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 1: don't care how many picks you're going to get for 929 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. I think it'd be crazy to trade him. 930 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: And if you even considered trading him, will I think 931 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,840 Speaker 1: it'd be even crazier to trade him and keep John Harbaugh. 932 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: Like like if if for some reason you want to 933 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 1: entertain this, you still are making the coaching change, and 934 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 1: you're and you're and you're making a full scale, like 935 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,959 Speaker 1: huge change, And I don't even want to get into 936 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: what they would need to come back, Like none of 937 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 1: that makes sense to me, because I think the obvious 938 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 1: thing here to do is find the right coach for 939 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Yeah, what are we talking? 940 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 3: We don't need to sit here in the least, we 941 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 3: don't need to sit here and list it off right. 942 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 3: The two time MVP should have potentially won it again 943 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 3: last year, very close in the voting apparently like, yes, 944 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 3: there is this knock against all of these guys, whether 945 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 3: it's him, where there's Josh Allen, where it's obviously Joe 946 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 3: barro has made it's a super Bowl, but all these 947 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,920 Speaker 3: other AFC calls backs who haven't got there. But as 948 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 3: we've talked about a lot in the last few weeks, 949 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 3: as the Chiefs went out of the playoffs, it's like, oh, wow, 950 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 3: this is gonna be the first time. 951 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 2: In however many years it's not Brady or Mahomes. 952 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 3: It's so like it's been so dominated by certain teams 953 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 3: that I don't think that means that the Ravens have 954 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,200 Speaker 3: necessarily failed. I think this year they will see as 955 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 3: a failure because they went into the year very high hopes. 956 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 3: You know, you think about the continuity coordinator, you think 957 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,439 Speaker 3: about the continuity on the defense, like they really thought 958 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 3: that this year could be a year they can tend 959 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:33,760 Speaker 3: and they're going to look at it from the outside 960 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 3: if they don't make it in and go yeah, no, 961 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,319 Speaker 3: mahomes there. This could have been the year that we 962 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,800 Speaker 3: stormed the castle and you know, turned up in Santa 963 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 3: Clara in four or five weeks time, and instead they're 964 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 3: going to be sitting and you know, attending Pro Bowl games, etc. 965 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 2: On that week. 966 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 3: So there will be a huge amount of frustration. But 967 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,279 Speaker 3: to trade Lamar Jackson would be insanity. 968 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: Like, honestly, he's about to turn thirty. I do think 969 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 1: it's a to recognize that there are elements of the 970 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:10,360 Speaker 1: column that are worth talking about, including most importantly about 971 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: his body potentially breaking down. And that was what Preston said. 972 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: He didn't think he thinks Lamar is as tough a 973 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: competitor as there is, Like he wants to be out there, 974 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: but the injuries are starting to pile up the running 975 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 1: nobility in two of the last three years, because I 976 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 1: think people kind of forget that he didn't look quite 977 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: the same running the ball in twenty three either before 978 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 1: he looked incredible in twenty four. That like Mike Vick 979 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 1: talked to Lamar Jackson at some point, like you do 980 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: have to protect your body run a little bit less. 981 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: Lamar has always been great about that, Like there are 982 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: things to think about in terms of maximizing the rest 983 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 1: of his career, of course, and if approach to the 984 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,799 Speaker 1: game as part of it, of course, Like I think 985 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 1: about another quarterback in the division, Ben Roethlisberger, who to 986 00:49:54,320 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: me famously adjusted his approach mentally, physically everything when he 987 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: got into his thirties and was better, like very much 988 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: relied less on his physical ability. And Lamar's always been 989 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,280 Speaker 1: great mentally in the game. So that's not a question. 990 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,759 Speaker 1: He's a great pocket quarterback. He should age well, but 991 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,600 Speaker 1: finding the right coach for him to do that is 992 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 1: really important. And Chris is in the in the commons 993 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: saying I should mention that it's a Baltimore Sun columnist, 994 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,879 Speaker 1: not a reporter, And to that, I would say, when 995 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: you're that columnist. And I know Preston, I have thoughts 996 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,239 Speaker 1: about I think he's ultimately like it's good to have 997 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 1: one of those guys in town. And he might be 998 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,640 Speaker 1: serving a lot of different sources and stuff, but he 999 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 1: knows the truth, he knows what's going on. And I 1000 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 1: know a lot of Ravens fans kind of don't like him, 1001 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,759 Speaker 1: and because he's he stirs it up a little bit. 1002 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: But these things don't happen in a vacuum, so honestly, 1003 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: it coming from him even as a columnist. That's what 1004 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 1: a columnist is there for, is actually a column like this, 1005 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,800 Speaker 1: even if you don't like totally love it, because it 1006 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: does it does say something about it. We don't have 1007 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 1: to wrap up here, but I do want to remember. 1008 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,480 Speaker 1: That was Quarterback Keeper, presented by Snapdragon Learning more at 1009 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,880 Speaker 1: snapdragon dot com slash laptops. Just just fascinating. Snapdragon getting 1010 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: their money's worth here with a meaty Lamar Jackson segment. 1011 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,799 Speaker 3: I just to finalize the point you were making, because 1012 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 3: I think the Ben Roethlisberger comparison is fascinating. What this 1013 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 3: isn't is Russell Wilson. What this isn't is early career 1014 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,759 Speaker 3: success with a brilliant run game, great scrambler, great deep 1015 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,960 Speaker 3: all throw. But did he have the capacity to be 1016 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 3: a pure. 1017 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: Pocket or Mike Vick is a good example. 1018 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, another one, Like what. 1019 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,319 Speaker 1: Are we talking about here? Lamar is like one of 1020 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: the all time greats who's had like even this season 1021 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,319 Speaker 1: which was you know, not great for him. It was like, 1022 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 1: of course, you're betting on that guy to have a 1023 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 1: good you know, sorry to cut you. 1024 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:49,359 Speaker 3: No. 1025 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 7: No. 1026 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,680 Speaker 3: I think at some point a full story of this 1027 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,000 Speaker 3: season might come out where we find out about like 1028 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,359 Speaker 3: just how healthy was he when he was playing, because 1029 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 3: there was that six week stretch where he just wasn't 1030 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,080 Speaker 3: running the ball at all. I think over six weeks 1031 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,640 Speaker 3: he had fewer yards total than his average per game 1032 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,640 Speaker 3: in his career up until that point. And you just 1033 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,360 Speaker 3: you were surprised he wasn't using that part of his 1034 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,879 Speaker 3: game because it clearly wasn't necessarily designed that way. But 1035 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,880 Speaker 3: get in one of these kind of young offensive genius 1036 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,520 Speaker 3: types who can whether that's as a coordinator or as 1037 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 3: the head coach. 1038 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: And we've seen Daniel to Baltimore. I've been speaking it. 1039 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,840 Speaker 3: I was speaking Mike McDaniel to Kansas City as a 1040 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 3: run game coordinator for quite a while. But actually, I 1041 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,800 Speaker 3: sure I'd rather take a head coaching job with Lamar 1042 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,400 Speaker 3: Jackson in a heartbeat, Like I that's the kind of 1043 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,359 Speaker 3: guy that if you getting them in there and they 1044 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,919 Speaker 3: can they're younger, they can connect with Lamar better, and 1045 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 3: they can design an offense that is more suited to 1046 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:44,600 Speaker 3: his skills. 1047 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,279 Speaker 2: At thirty maybe than twenty four. 1048 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 3: I still think this is a team that can go 1049 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,160 Speaker 3: on and win, not just a super Bowl, potentially multiple 1050 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:51,680 Speaker 3: over the next. 1051 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 1: DAYLD Okay, let's no. I mean yeah, I mean I 1052 00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 1: think he could, but so much needs to go into it. 1053 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,600 Speaker 3: We are in the post Drake May world, of course, 1054 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 3: so you know we're not going to get It's now 1055 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,399 Speaker 3: going to be Mahomes May. 1056 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:07,359 Speaker 2: Mahome that May. 1057 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,800 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite damashek bits, Like there's always 1058 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,719 Speaker 1: so many super Bowls to go, right, everyone says, Oh, 1059 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,480 Speaker 1: he's gonna get one, He's gonna get one. It's like 1060 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,960 Speaker 1: if Mahomes has taken so many and you got the 1061 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,759 Speaker 1: Eagles who are getting back, but this year it is 1062 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,400 Speaker 1: wide open. Josh Allen, by the way, is going to 1063 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:29,279 Speaker 1: play this weekend. We learned that from Bill's coach Sean McDermott. 1064 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,640 Speaker 1: Some other injury news sas Gardner is going to return 1065 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,600 Speaker 1: for the Colts this weekend, but they lost to Forrest 1066 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,239 Speaker 1: Buckner for the rest of the season after he reinjured 1067 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,520 Speaker 1: his neck. That that's not great. Tristan Wurf's is out 1068 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: for the Buccaneers. So that was just something I was 1069 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,319 Speaker 1: keeping an eye on because I picked the Dolphins in 1070 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,560 Speaker 1: that game. I kind of feel like the Buccaneers have 1071 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,839 Speaker 1: a little bit of a death witch at least at 1072 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,279 Speaker 1: the very least I think they're going to cover five 1073 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,759 Speaker 1: and a half points there. This was a pleasure. Will 1074 00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:03,320 Speaker 1: If we were casting the NFL Daily you know, Christmas play, 1075 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,359 Speaker 1: you're playing Santa. I mean, you're just you know, I'm 1076 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,720 Speaker 1: not trying to type cast, but you're just a jolly 1077 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,480 Speaker 1: pleasant guy to see over the holidays, and I do 1078 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,800 Speaker 1: love talking football with you, and I'm looking forward to 1079 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:17,640 Speaker 1: that Super Bowl too. 1080 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,240 Speaker 3: So what many people won't know is, as a twenty 1081 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,440 Speaker 3: year old student living in Leicester in the Midlands, I 1082 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,120 Speaker 3: got off the opportunity to be Santa not only at 1083 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,400 Speaker 3: like a local like the kind of council run local 1084 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,160 Speaker 3: free visit Santa thing, but I also ended up being 1085 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,239 Speaker 3: the one that went on the float at the big 1086 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,960 Speaker 3: turning on of the Christmas lights and everything else. In 1087 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,279 Speaker 3: I did have to still wear a suit, despite the 1088 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 3: fact that I'm a man of substantial carriage and. 1089 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,160 Speaker 2: With the big beard and everything else. 1090 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,880 Speaker 3: And so I have been publicly in front of a 1091 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,320 Speaker 3: crowd of quite literally hundreds of people as Santa Claus. 1092 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:54,400 Speaker 2: So I've been welcome. 1093 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 1: It's the Beard. It's wonderful and yeah, no, Will's Will's 1094 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: the best and I'm glad he's been recognized this year 1095 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,360 Speaker 1: as a great play by play man for talkSPORT. You 1096 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,520 Speaker 1: can check him out on talkSPORT. You can also check 1097 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,239 Speaker 1: out a new podcast he is doing called Across the Formation, 1098 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,799 Speaker 1: So everyone go and like and subscribe to that. That's 1099 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,799 Speaker 1: on podcast apps, that's on YouTube, and you can check 1100 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,480 Speaker 1: out talkSPORT there as well. It was a pleasure. We 1101 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,960 Speaker 1: will be back on Sunday. It's a little bit lighter 1102 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 1: of a Sunday slate, but we have those two big 1103 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,319 Speaker 1: Saturday games. Jordan Rodrigue's gonna the boots on the ground 1104 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,440 Speaker 1: give us an in person update because she's going to 1105 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,080 Speaker 1: Texans Chargers. We also have that pack of Ravens game 1106 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,640 Speaker 1: Eagles bills is a fun one on Sunday. I cannot wait. 1107 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,759 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas to everyone to see that