Speaker 1: I went and did a show in Alabama for seven
Speaker 1: thousand people the next night.
Speaker 2: Nobody knew it was me when I walked down on stage.
Speaker 1: It was the weirdest thing I can ever remember happening
Speaker 1: in my life. Because I was already messed up. I
Speaker 1: just thought, Oh my god, what am I doing? Who
Speaker 1: am I like?
Speaker 3: Who is this character?
Speaker 4: Welcome to episode five twenty eight with Cody Jinks. He's
Speaker 4: a native of Haltham City in Fort Worth, Texas, and
Speaker 4: he still lives in Texas, right yep. So when he
Speaker 4: comes around, he's just like coming up to do all
Speaker 4: the Nashville stuff.
Speaker 5: Then heading back home knocks it all out.
Speaker 4: That's kind of the dream, Like if this is not
Speaker 4: your home, then you don't have to like move somewhere,
Speaker 4: because a lot of people they have to. We had
Speaker 4: to move here, and I like it here now. But
Speaker 4: it's kind of the dream to be Texas and stay
Speaker 4: in Texas. I mean, Parker McAll him, just moved back
Speaker 4: to Texas living back there?
Speaker 6: Would you do that?
Speaker 5: Like with Arkansas? You just come here like once a month.
Speaker 4: I need to come here, though once a month. I
Speaker 4: don't think just stay there. I think this now is home.
Speaker 4: But I would move to Faetteville. Probably when did it
Speaker 4: feel like home to you? Because it's like just started
Speaker 4: to feel like home to me in like the last
Speaker 4: one or two years. Yesterday, Yeah, yesterday it did. For
Speaker 4: the first house, like dangs feels like home. Uh, probably
Speaker 4: whenever Caitlin moved here, because then I had a reason
Speaker 4: to look forward to coming home. Otherwise it was just
Speaker 4: like a nice house in a city that I was
Speaker 4: at sometimes. But yeah, that's the dream. I like Cody
Speaker 4: Jinks a lot. If you see him, you could be
Speaker 4: intimidated by him. Covered in tattoos, got the beard, I mean,
Speaker 4: did play in thrash metal bands? What's the difference in
Speaker 4: thrash and like heavy thrash is like a lot faster
Speaker 4: than the drums are, Like.
Speaker 5: Oh, I do know the drums.
Speaker 4: Thinking about Cody though, he's made his own path, he's
Speaker 4: kind of killing it and we spent an hour talking
Speaker 4: about that. He has a new album out that is
Speaker 4: called In My Blood, just came out on Friday. He
Speaker 4: is on his Hippies and Cowboys tour that kicked off
Speaker 4: at the end of May, and you can go and
Speaker 4: watch him. He's also doing two headlining shows at the
Speaker 4: Chelsea at the Cosmo in Vegas, December twelfth and thirteenth.
Speaker 4: Here he is Cody Jinks.
Speaker 5: Cody, good to see you.
Speaker 2: Likewise, thank you, thank you so much for having me
Speaker 2: and hosting.
Speaker 5: Do you feel like people?
Speaker 4: And I'm going to ask this because my answer to
Speaker 4: you is yes, and I feel like the answer to
Speaker 4: me is yes. But do you feel like people get
Speaker 4: the wrong impression of you before they meet you?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Because I did, because you've done the show before and
Speaker 4: I found you quite delightful, which is not what I
Speaker 4: thought I would think about having you.
Speaker 5: Say can I say diddo? You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 1: I actually, after the first time we spoke, I've left
Speaker 1: going I was like, oh man, I like that guy same.
Speaker 4: And it's not that I didn't expect. I didn't expect
Speaker 4: you to like me. And because I didn't expect you
Speaker 4: to like me, because you're Cody freaking Jinx right, and
Speaker 4: you got a big beard and it's like you're independent
Speaker 4: f everything, And I'm like that kind of dude doesn't
Speaker 4: know my story, so he's gonna think he doesn't like me,
Speaker 4: so I don't like him. That's how I felt the
Speaker 4: first time I met you and you left. I remember
Speaker 4: telling everybody like, that's my new best friend, Like I
Speaker 4: love that dude.
Speaker 5: So that's my takeaway from the last time.
Speaker 3: I agree. No, I appreciate that. No, I did.
Speaker 1: I liked you and and God and this is so
Speaker 1: bad man. And I'm just being completely honest. In this business,
Speaker 1: so oftentimes it's not that you want to like, I'm
Speaker 1: not even gonna want to lock that person or dislike
Speaker 1: that person or whatever.
Speaker 2: But you you're like, oh, I was surprised.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 1: I've been doing this twenty five years and it's like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: he was cool. Okay, good, good, awesome.
Speaker 4: It's cool to me when a preconceived notion that gets
Speaker 4: very conceived because I'm jaded a bit by the industry
Speaker 4: good and bad ways. You meet so many people, and
Speaker 4: there's a reason cliches are cliche for the most part,
Speaker 4: because things in this world that you think of one
Speaker 4: way usually end up being.
Speaker 5: That way, usually not always.
Speaker 4: And No, I found you to be really cerebral. I
Speaker 4: found you to be quite generous and kind with your time,
Speaker 4: and you just don't look like you'd be It's the
Speaker 4: tattoos and the biker beard and your story.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's funny that you say that, and
Speaker 1: I do get that quite a bit. My daughter is
Speaker 1: a teenager, and recently, within the last few months, you know,
Speaker 1: she said, I've been I've been home.
Speaker 2: We just started our tour, but I've been home a
Speaker 2: great deal of time.
Speaker 1: And she's been in dance competition season, and she thought
Speaker 1: that I was not enjoying going to these dance competitions
Speaker 1: because I stand there like that, Yeah, just just straight yeah.
Speaker 3: And that's that's just that's just me.
Speaker 1: So whenever this guy is just standing there like this,
Speaker 1: and she goes, dad, you look mad and pissed off
Speaker 1: all the time. And and and I think that the
Speaker 1: other young lady she dances with her, he's used. They're
Speaker 1: used to me now, but the parents are as well.
Speaker 1: But I guess it just looks like I'm always pissed off.
Speaker 1: And she goes, you just look mad all the time.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Casey, Casey, I was just talking
Speaker 1: to my sister. Case I was like, Meredith, you know
Speaker 1: how long it's taken me to look like this, and
Speaker 1: how much of my life I've been you know, beat up,
Speaker 1: And so you know, I kind of have a and
Speaker 1: like you said beat. In this business, you have kind
Speaker 1: of a you get jaded in good ways and in
Speaker 1: bad ways, and that's it's so it's it's funny that
Speaker 1: you say that, because I just had that conversation with
Speaker 1: my almost sixteen year old daughters like.
Speaker 2: I'm I may look like that or you know this.
Speaker 1: I was like, but I'm watching you do your solo
Speaker 1: and I'm trying not to tear up.
Speaker 2: I was like, did you just need to hear me
Speaker 2: say that? Like does that help?
Speaker 5: And yes it did.
Speaker 1: Actually, So I was like, I'm not talking to people
Speaker 1: because I'm enjoying watching you perform. You know, it's beautiful
Speaker 1: and I love it. And I've been gone on the
Speaker 1: road for a lot of my kids lives. So the
Speaker 1: baseball games, in the ballet recitals, the parents are all nice,
Speaker 1: they're all great people.
Speaker 5: Kids are great.
Speaker 3: You know it.
Speaker 2: Just after a while they realized, oh, you can go
Speaker 2: talk to him.
Speaker 1: And it may take halfway through the season because I
Speaker 1: don't talk. I don't just sit down and talk to people. Dude, say,
Speaker 1: you know, if if.
Speaker 2: Somebody walks up and says something, I love it.
Speaker 1: Intelligence If you walk up and you want to talk
Speaker 1: about fishing or Hey, what do you walk up and
Speaker 1: ask me what book I'm reading?
Speaker 3: Bro Like, I'll be like, let's go, let's.
Speaker 1: Talk, you know, but yeah, it's it's I don't seem
Speaker 1: approachable oftentimes, but I enjoy a great conversation. I'm far
Speaker 1: better one on one than I am in social scenarios.
Speaker 5: I'm very socially awkward.
Speaker 4: Same weird because we both have jobs that are The
Speaker 4: job itself is that of an extreme extrovert, the job
Speaker 4: on the stage. I would find that people at times
Speaker 4: would send me a DM going, hey, I saw you
Speaker 4: so and so, and you just weren't that nice. Now,
Speaker 4: I have never not be nice to anybody that appreciates
Speaker 4: what I do. If it's right books, if it's do podcasts,
Speaker 4: if it's too stand up. I've never, ever, ever not
Speaker 4: been nice. And I'd be like, well where was I,
Speaker 4: they would say, and I said, why did I talk
Speaker 4: to anybody there? Like then it comes, But I think
Speaker 4: I have, like, deep down in my guts, the feeling
Speaker 4: that nobody really wants me around anyway, so I don't
Speaker 4: bother anybody. I'm a wallflower. I could see how someone
Speaker 4: would see me and go oh, but they didn't talk
Speaker 4: to me like, say, but go back to what you
Speaker 4: said right before that.
Speaker 1: I assume deep down nobody wants me there anyway. Part
Speaker 1: of my job as an entertainers, as the gester is
Speaker 1: I've I've earned my way through life entertaining well.
Speaker 5: The gest are part of me too.
Speaker 4: I'm I have great confidence in that part of me
Speaker 4: when I'm there to do that, specifically, when I'm to
Speaker 4: be a normal human, I feel like I have three
Speaker 4: arms and four eyeballs me too and so, and because
Speaker 4: of that, I don't go I'm just not I won't
Speaker 4: say not friendly, but I'm not bothersome. It's what it
Speaker 4: feels like to me. I'm not gonna be I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna bother anybody. So people will go like, man, what
Speaker 4: a dick. I'm like, I know, just say something.
Speaker 5: Isn't that funny?
Speaker 1: I'm the same way, and people are like I think
Speaker 1: people are. It's it's off putting to people because they assume, yeah,
Speaker 1: what a dick, and like and I've been in scenarios.
Speaker 2: Worth man, I don't remember anybody saying anything.
Speaker 1: To me at all because I've, like you said, while ago,
Speaker 1: I've never I've never not been if some of it
Speaker 1: is not being mean to me. I've never not been
Speaker 1: nice intentionally to somebody just for the sake of not
Speaker 1: being nice or we all have our days and things
Speaker 1: of that nature.
Speaker 5: But like, dude, I don't say mean things to people.
Speaker 4: I actually appreciate when people appreciate what I do, because
Speaker 4: it's that's what I work so.
Speaker 5: Hard to do.
Speaker 1: I am the first one to if you walk, I
Speaker 1: love any It never bothers.
Speaker 5: Me with people at airports wherever. When I'm eating, Oh no,
Speaker 5: I don't want to. I don't want that.
Speaker 2: I don't want it. But I never see anything mean.
Speaker 5: I may say fair enough.
Speaker 1: I may say, hey, man, I'm trying to have a
Speaker 1: meal with my family. I'd love I'd love to give me,
Speaker 1: give me thirty minutes, dude, you know, let me have
Speaker 1: I'll do that and and I'll go over and what
Speaker 1: interrupt his meal later.
Speaker 5: But you know, uh, that's a general role too.
Speaker 4: I'll share with people that, hey, if somebody's creating something,
Speaker 4: they like to be appreciated for the creation. However, the
Speaker 4: two times that I would not go up to a
Speaker 4: celebrity if they're in public is when they're eating or
Speaker 4: with their kids.
Speaker 3: Kids.
Speaker 4: Those are those are universally the two that I say,
Speaker 4: don't do it.
Speaker 3: Me neither me, neither not.
Speaker 1: Everybody can control themselves. And I think that you've probably
Speaker 1: run into that too. People like kind of they just
Speaker 1: kind of like oh, and they just gravitate to you,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they're there and they're and
Speaker 1: then they're having a moment where they're saying, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be that person. I didn't mean to be
Speaker 1: the fangirl, and you know, and it's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's and it's happening and and and you know, okay,
Speaker 1: and you listen to them and they thank you for
Speaker 1: what you do, and thank them and.
Speaker 5: Have a good day. I don't want this to come off.
Speaker 4: And I think both of us are coming from the
Speaker 4: same place, like I couldn't appreciate more when someone relates
Speaker 4: and enjoys is entertained by something I do. And we
Speaker 4: don't have kids yet, but I do eat, and it's
Speaker 4: like nobody wants to have somebody come over the top
Speaker 4: of them and like spit in their food, but we
Speaker 4: do appreciate when someone comes up. I've never I'll say
Speaker 4: it this way, I've never met somebody who creates who
Speaker 4: doesn't appreciate somebody coming up to them and saying, hey,
Speaker 4: I appreciate what you do. Like every single person I
Speaker 4: know that does music or comedy or any kind of art,
Speaker 4: they like it when people come up and say, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm a fan. The only two times I would say
Speaker 4: not to do that is food and kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the people, like you said, the people that create,
Speaker 1: even if they're maybe because oftentimes, you know, people will
Speaker 1: walk up and they may get nothing more from me
Speaker 1: than a handshake and a thank you very much.
Speaker 5: I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that because thank you very much, because
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Maybe all I have to say
Speaker 1: about it, but I love to hear that. And even
Speaker 1: if you just get a thanks man like No, that's
Speaker 1: like our guitar player Chris from Walks a Hatchie, that's
Speaker 1: where That's where Mike's from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 1: Were just talking about that and uh and and then
Speaker 1: the fort work for for I came to my hometown
Speaker 1: for Worth. But our guitar player Chris, he's one of
Speaker 1: those guys people obviously, he doesn't say anything. He's been
Speaker 1: with us years and years and we've had like four conversations,
Speaker 1: and he's one of those guys that he's like thanks man, and.
Speaker 3: That's he's he loves it. You just made his whole day.
Speaker 1: But all you get is thanks man. You know he's
Speaker 1: up there talking with his guitar.
Speaker 4: So that's value. Yeah, especially if Mike doesn't talk, not
Speaker 4: a whole lot. Yeah, I mean doesn't talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it still waters man.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure why doesn't talk, because he's a brilliant.
Speaker 4: Guy, but yeah, smart dude gotta like pull on it and
Speaker 4: be like hey man, so you won.
Speaker 1: Those are the best kind of people though. I've found,
Speaker 1: like my wife is is like that not I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's I've been captivated by her because
Speaker 1: there's so much more going on than I know. And
Speaker 1: so that's why I still want to be around hers,
Speaker 1: because like I'm still I'm still trying to solve that
Speaker 1: that thing because she's she's very much that kind of character.
Speaker 3: Are you are?
Speaker 5: Are you a Capricorn?
Speaker 3: Cancer? You're cancer? Okay?
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I don't know any of that means.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't either.
Speaker 2: I don't, but I know my wife's a Capricorn.
Speaker 3: So I was just throwing darks there got it?
Speaker 5: What Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I know, mention of music.
Speaker 4: What are three things that you are super interested in
Speaker 4: and you love No music, no, no music even nothing could
Speaker 4: be even music adjacent?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no worries.
Speaker 1: No, I got I got the hunting and fishing fishing first,
Speaker 1: you know, but I'll categorize those as as the same thing,
Speaker 1: the hunting and fish, and that would well, that would
Speaker 1: be the second thing. Family has been a super huge
Speaker 1: focus for me the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: I've really spent.
Speaker 1: Time and focus and and effort and h and trying
Speaker 1: to be a better husband and father, hunting and fishing
Speaker 1: after that, and I think, I think thirdly, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm taking better care of myself mentally and spiritually
Speaker 1: and physically as well. That's that's become a big focus
Speaker 1: for me. I spent a lot of my life in
Speaker 1: a haze, and so I'm able to to take care
Speaker 1: of I have more bandwidth now and so I'm able
Speaker 1: to to take care of everything better, including myself.
Speaker 3: And so I think my family and.
Speaker 1: Taking care of myself being getting out into nature, you know,
Speaker 1: getting a rod and reel and you know, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's a really spiritual thing for me, and outdoors people get.
Speaker 5: That, what is your favorite kind of fishing?
Speaker 1: I grew up bass fishing. I grew up in a
Speaker 1: john boat on stock tanks, and I remember my dad
Speaker 1: got his first bass boat. We got a seventy nine
Speaker 1: Skeeter whenever I was fifteen, and an old tryhole, tryhole skeeter,
Speaker 1: and that's when we started fishing big water. We got
Speaker 1: into striper fishing, and uh that all everything spawned from
Speaker 1: bass fishing, though, but I I fish all the.
Speaker 5: Time still still.
Speaker 1: If I'm at home, I'll fish at least twice a week.
Speaker 1: But I'll fish for everything I usually I love. Well,
Speaker 1: I was just cat. I was cat fishing with my
Speaker 1: buddy before I got here, before I left on this trip,
Speaker 1: and then I was fishing with my I was crappie
Speaker 1: fishing with my dad, and so I planned on doing
Speaker 1: some bass fish when I get home.
Speaker 5: My stepdad was a striper guide.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, yeah, man.
Speaker 4: To me the best, and I spent all my kid
Speaker 4: life in the woods or on the water. I know
Speaker 4: you're watching this and judging me of I'm a nice
Speaker 4: card again that I wear now, But I'm just a
Speaker 4: redneck from Arkansas. My stepdad though, was a striper guide
Speaker 4: after he worked at the mill, so on the weekends
Speaker 4: in the evenings he was a striper guide, and then
Speaker 4: when he retired, he continued to be a striper guide.
Speaker 4: To me, that is the most fun because those are
Speaker 4: the biggest. But for my mom died and we still
Speaker 4: have it. I think she got a forty two pound striper.
Speaker 4: That's it's huge and he and it's bigger than any
Speaker 4: that my stepdad had caught. And he has like seven
Speaker 4: or eight that are that he had mounted just for
Speaker 4: business purposes that were like in the thirties. Yeah, my
Speaker 4: mom had a forty two pound striper. So striper fishing
Speaker 4: was my favorite. Now when you would get the highbrid.
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody that's ever caught a forty two
Speaker 1: I know guides that don't have.
Speaker 4: I mean I know a guide my step who doesn't
Speaker 4: have a for it. Yeah, my mom freaking caught it
Speaker 4: before she died.
Speaker 3: My uh.
Speaker 5: And and so we do a bunch of hybrid Did
Speaker 5: you ever catch shad?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, no, we used them, but we would pay
Speaker 1: for a guy to give us the shad.
Speaker 4: So I had to because we would catch our own
Speaker 4: shad and then keep us throwing the net yep and
Speaker 4: and keep onlightbl they'd only stayed alive for twelve hours. Sure,
Speaker 4: so there, but so you'd see him flicker on the
Speaker 4: top and I'd have to drive the boat sometimes before
Speaker 4: school to catch the shad.
Speaker 5: It's hardcore.
Speaker 4: It's hardcore, especially when you're like twelve and he's on
Speaker 4: the front of the boat with the net that throw
Speaker 4: net that you it's hard to throw because that's spread perfectly,
Speaker 4: sink down, you pull it back up and catch the shad.
Speaker 4: He's going to use those throughout the day. And but
Speaker 4: when you're twe A many times I dumped on the water.
Speaker 3: You know what's.
Speaker 1: Funny that you say that is because I'm just having
Speaker 1: my dad being in the front of the boat on
Speaker 1: the flipping deck saying all right, boy, back up just.
Speaker 2: A little bit and in him, you know, because I.
Speaker 4: Just want yeah exactly, You're like, there was no moderation
Speaker 4: for us and that young in a boat.
Speaker 3: It's funny.
Speaker 2: I just had that that menage that mental image.
Speaker 4: Uh that So we did one and then hybrids were
Speaker 4: fun because white bass dripper they fight hard.
Speaker 5: Even not as big.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, the white bass kind of sucked a lot of
Speaker 4: a lot of bass fishing, which is the you know,
Speaker 4: black bass, depending on a large mouth. But we lived
Speaker 4: near a ramp, and when the trout truck would drive by,
Speaker 4: and I went to school. I graduated in ninety eight,
Speaker 4: so in probably like ninety six, we'd see the trout
Speaker 4: truck drive by. That would stock and our school was
Speaker 4: just like, yeah, we understand, just leave whenever you see
Speaker 4: a drive back.
Speaker 5: I used to skip school to go fishing.
Speaker 4: Not skip, it wasn't skipped. The school would know. The
Speaker 4: school would go, oh, you guys all the trout truck
Speaker 4: just can your car and go.
Speaker 5: So we would go.
Speaker 4: And then as soon as they would dump, just ripping
Speaker 4: off yep. So that and then the best eating.
Speaker 5: Was crappy, for sure.
Speaker 2: Absolutely crappy is the best.
Speaker 5: It's the best eating.
Speaker 1: Absolutely crappy is the best for eating fish. The trout
Speaker 1: in Texas, see, you guys were a little you guys
Speaker 1: could get more. The trout would stay longer after they
Speaker 1: were dumped, probably because y'all's waters were a little cooler
Speaker 1: than ours, because very cold right by the damn yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: whenever they drop in the I guess the DFW experiences.
Speaker 1: They'll stay alive for a little while and they'll drop
Speaker 1: them in the wintertime or the fall. But we used
Speaker 1: to go up to the White My dad and I
Speaker 1: used to go to the White River up in Arkansas,
Speaker 1: and that's where we'd go trout fishing up there, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, there was it was good trout fishing up there.
Speaker 5: So I never did this as a kid. But did
Speaker 5: you ever fly fish?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 1: My dad got into it after I was out of
Speaker 1: the house, and he said that he loved a brim fish.
Speaker 5: We called him perch perch, yeah, we called him perch jerkin. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we'd go do the perch jerkin.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And he learned.
Speaker 1: He taught hisself how to fly fish. And I have
Speaker 1: never learned it. And I know to me the people
Speaker 1: that do it and have dedicated their self to the
Speaker 1: art of it.
Speaker 3: Have you done no? Now?
Speaker 4: I Johnny Morris, best pro shop owner, invited us to
Speaker 4: come up to his property once and he let us
Speaker 4: go on what he calls his his honey hole and
Speaker 4: it was with fly rods. Yeah, and didn't know how
Speaker 4: to do it. We were still yanking him out like crazy.
Speaker 4: But that's my only experience. But I didn't grow up
Speaker 4: around that. I wondered if you did, though, Like, well,
Speaker 4: first of all Zepko as a kid, yeah, and the
Speaker 4: thirty three Yeah, and then it just, you know, slowly
Speaker 4: elevated itself.
Speaker 5: But I never I don't think I I would have
Speaker 5: the patience or.
Speaker 4: The because I feel like fly fishing is almost like
Speaker 4: you were talking about, it's almost a meditation of sorts
Speaker 4: because you have to focus on the fly, putting, creating
Speaker 4: the fly, using the fly, so all of that.
Speaker 5: I think the whole process is beautiful.
Speaker 1: I would It's kind of like I tried playing golf
Speaker 1: and I'm no good at it, but I tried it
Speaker 1: and I gained an.
Speaker 5: Appreciation for it that I didn't have before.
Speaker 3: I'm not fly fishing, but I.
Speaker 1: Love all the.
Speaker 2: Process of it, like you said, preparing the flies.
Speaker 1: And then I think that fly fishermen are going out
Speaker 1: there and working on just their technique and having the
Speaker 1: mental thing going on there. I think that's probably as much,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, as much to do with it as anything.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I could be wrong, but I just
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a focus thing. It's a
Speaker 1: just standing there and making sure your swing is correct.
Speaker 1: It's you know, doing your scales on a guitar on it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 5: When you talk about reading books, what kind of books
Speaker 5: do you like to read?
Speaker 3: I read a.
Speaker 5: Little bit of everything.
Speaker 2: Right now. I went back and I'm reading my buddy.
Speaker 5: Tennessee Yet gave me East of Eden. Probably give a
Speaker 5: buddy named Tennessee Jet.
Speaker 4: Yeah. What's Tennessee Jet do? Because he sounds like he's
Speaker 4: making moonshine.
Speaker 2: He's a songwriter, buddy of okay, all right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And he might be making a boo shout.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But he gave me a copy of East of Eden
Speaker 1: years ago, and I'm finally getting through it, and I
Speaker 1: think I've found the most horrible villain I've ever read
Speaker 1: about in any book in East of Eating. Her name
Speaker 1: is Kathy. She's like the most vile thing I have
Speaker 1: ever read about. I'm reading that one right now.
Speaker 5: Is that true?
Speaker 3: The story?
Speaker 5: It's a fiction story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a Steinbeck book and it's a classic. I'm revisiting.
Speaker 1: So I do fun stuff with my wife and I
Speaker 1: read a whole bunch both of us, and so she's
Speaker 1: usually she reads a bunch of different stuff than I do,
Speaker 1: but we kind of trade back and forth, and I've
Speaker 1: usually got a physical book going and an audible book going.
Speaker 1: I don't listen to as much radio anymore, listen to
Speaker 1: my stories, my programs.
Speaker 4: The problem with Audible and reading. I tried to do
Speaker 4: the same book, reading it and listening to it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I just simultaneously or differently, well at different times. So
Speaker 4: in my car, I would try to listen to the
Speaker 4: book and then if I was back home, I read it.
Speaker 4: The problem is I wish they would tell you page
Speaker 4: turn and Audible what page number it was on, because
Speaker 4: then I can't find it in the book, and if
Speaker 4: I do two books and once again my stories mixed up.
Speaker 3: I've had that problem.
Speaker 1: I was reading a book recently and there was a
Speaker 1: part in the book that I flagged on Audible, and
Speaker 1: then I had the physical copy of the book and
Speaker 1: it to me forever to find it because I was
Speaker 1: going to like circle littery.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I just like would like to use that
Speaker 4: time to continue, Yeah, chasing the story, which I'm totally into,
Speaker 4: or if it's a nonfiction book. But I can't do
Speaker 4: I can't do two books because my stories mix up
Speaker 4: in my head. And then if I try to do
Speaker 4: one listening and one read but the same book, I
Speaker 4: can't ever catch up. I can't find the spot O.
Speaker 4: There are bigger problems in the world, but not many.
Speaker 4: That's like top three problems in the world, probably rank
Speaker 4: third hunger, you know it, war, Yeah, and three audible
Speaker 4: to book pay your stories crossed.
Speaker 1: Exactly And I feel you, man, No, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a good problem to have in it.
Speaker 5: What kind of teenager were you?
Speaker 3: I was probably weird, weird.
Speaker 5: Or problematic or both.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I walked right up to the edge of going to
Speaker 2: jail now.
Speaker 1: I mean I went to jail once for stealing street
Speaker 1: signs and it was dumb. I was sixteen with some
Speaker 1: of my buddies. But I was mischievous. I wasn't bad.
Speaker 1: I was mischievous and it was anything for a laugh.
Speaker 2: Everything was a good time. So it was it was.
Speaker 1: I was quiet at home, and I'm still quiet at home.
Speaker 1: But when I was because my dad was very, very strict.
Speaker 3: That was a hard dude.
Speaker 1: When we were home, when I was a kid, so
Speaker 1: it was kind of like what kind of moods? Dad
Speaker 1: and everybody else was really quiet. So my mouth got
Speaker 1: me into a lot of trouble at school because everything
Speaker 1: that I wasn't.
Speaker 5: Able to do it.
Speaker 3: I was like what to school?
Speaker 1: And I got in trouble for you know, I skipped
Speaker 1: class a lot, but the teachers loved me, so it
Speaker 1: was kind of like, mister Jenks, go back to wherever
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be and quit disrupting my class.
Speaker 3: It was that kind of thing. It was. I played sports.
Speaker 1: I was I was a below average athlete, but I
Speaker 1: played sports all through high school. I worked from the
Speaker 1: time I was a freshman all the way through high school.
Speaker 1: And so if I wasn't working or playing sports, I
Speaker 1: was at home playing guitar.
Speaker 2: I didn't go to parties. I wasn't a part of
Speaker 2: that group.
Speaker 5: Where'd you get the guitar?
Speaker 2: I picked my dad's up when I was fifteen.
Speaker 5: Where'd he get the guitar?
Speaker 1: My dad bought a nineteen eighty one Takamini right after
Speaker 1: he and my mom had me, and it was a
Speaker 1: lost TAKAMENI was one of the Eel three forty nine's
Speaker 1: the name looked like the Martin name, and you'll hear
Speaker 1: people talk about the lawsuit talkomenis and that's those. So
Speaker 1: Dad bought one of those, and I grew up around it,
Speaker 1: but didn't pick it up until I was fifteen, and
Speaker 1: then I wouldn't put it down. And so when I
Speaker 1: was sixteen, Mom and dad bought me a Fender Stratocaster,
Speaker 1: the Squire series, and we were off to the races.
Speaker 4: Because your dad was, as you described him, either quiet,
Speaker 4: I don't know if he was unpredictable.
Speaker 5: My dad was unpredictable.
Speaker 2: We found out what bipolar was in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 5: So prior to that, he was just unpredictable.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my mom was bipolar two and an addict.
Speaker 4: So definitely similar vibe where everything was kind of on
Speaker 4: our backs because we did we didn't trust it enough
Speaker 4: to be on hers. Yes, if he's playing guitar and
Speaker 4: then you start playing guitar, was a bit of you
Speaker 4: playing guitar to I won't say b like, but to
Speaker 4: show him, hey, like, pay attention to me.
Speaker 5: I'm doing what you like to do.
Speaker 1: No, Because I remember him, I remember him.
Speaker 2: Being I'd be like, hey, Dad, check this out.
Speaker 1: And he always had so much on his mind, you know,
Speaker 1: and I just it was kind of like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's cool, you know. And it wasn't that I wanted
Speaker 1: him to be proud of me for it. Now, after
Speaker 1: I got older and I was started making a living
Speaker 1: in the bars and Dad really softened up. You know,
Speaker 1: Dad'll tell you. You know, he's living both of our dreams.
Speaker 1: You know, Dad wanted to do this. That's what Dad
Speaker 1: wanted to do. You know, didn't work out in his
Speaker 1: life for that, and it did for me. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of feel like I carried the
Speaker 1: torch that seed was planted, but it wasn't ever he
Speaker 1: expected that whatever me and my sister did. Mom and
Speaker 1: Dad supported it. You know, it wasn't didn't have to
Speaker 1: be music. But he loves it.
Speaker 5: He's still alive, he is, Yeah, he is.
Speaker 2: Mom and Dad fortunately are both still around him.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Did you feel like playing the guitar later on brought
Speaker 4: you guys closer? Did he give you a conduit to
Speaker 4: actually talk and like open up it all?
Speaker 1: Phishing was our first and really one of our only
Speaker 1: conduits when I was a kid. That's really why I
Speaker 1: loved fishing with my dad because that's we didn't really talk.
Speaker 1: And that was the funny thing. We would sit in
Speaker 1: the boat for hours and hours and hours and talk
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 3: Bit and Dad.
Speaker 1: Dad and I always had had a good relationship. I
Speaker 1: have always had a good relationship. We've always been able
Speaker 1: to talk despite him being a He's a very loving
Speaker 1: man in spite of being very difficult and very hard
Speaker 1: and not understanding what mental illness is.
Speaker 2: And like I said, until the nineties.
Speaker 1: And the guitar has really I wrote a song on
Speaker 1: the new record, you know, and I'm talking kind of
Speaker 1: about that top thing about Dad used to sing the
Speaker 1: cats and the cradles when I was a kid, and
Speaker 1: now we're living that, and so I make mention of that.
Speaker 1: And now I'm on the road working and providing for
Speaker 1: a family and have been for a long long time
Speaker 1: and trying to to balance, you know, son, when you
Speaker 1: coming home soon? You know, Dad, I don't know when.
Speaker 1: So you know, we're kind of living that. You know,
Speaker 1: they're getting older, and.
Speaker 2: So it's it's why I don't to quite as much anymore.
Speaker 1: My children are getting older, our parents are getting older,
Speaker 1: and our band, most of our band is all this
Speaker 1: hell Man, hot Rod are still player.
Speaker 2: He just jumped back on the road. He just lost
Speaker 2: his mom. So our band is entering that phase of.
Speaker 3: Our life, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's that's a kind of a kind of a
Speaker 1: weird place to be. But to answer your question, Dad
Speaker 1: just he loves what I do. He still loves it.
Speaker 5: To just expand on that for those lest things.
Speaker 4: So Cat Stevens had Cats in the Cradle and the Silverspoon,
Speaker 4: the little the whole song is really about the dad
Speaker 4: being gone doing his thing and the kids like where. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like I don't get to see you know. It's that vibe. Yes,
Speaker 4: And you say you live in that now, but I
Speaker 4: feel like you're from what I've learned from you, like
Speaker 4: you're trying not to live that as much now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had we hit the brakes Man, We really did.
Speaker 1: I had to for my mental health. You know. I
Speaker 1: know that the band is enjoyed spending time with their family,
Speaker 1: their families respectively, and it's it's important we stayed gone
Speaker 1: for a very very long time.
Speaker 4: Well when you say stay gone, because here, even if
Speaker 4: I'm torny stand up, I'm doing maybe Thursday night, but
Speaker 4: Friday night, Saturday night, I'm back Sunday, I gotta feeling
Speaker 4: that ain't what you're doing or wasn't what you were doing?
Speaker 3: No for man.
Speaker 1: For thirteen years from seven to twenty twenty, when COVID hit,
Speaker 1: I was gone nine to ten months a year gone gone,
Speaker 1: I would come home. I would be gone three to
Speaker 1: four weeks, come home for one or come home for
Speaker 1: two on a long one't be gone three to four weeks,
Speaker 1: come home for one or two weeks. So yeah, it
Speaker 1: worked out to where, you know, some of those years
Speaker 1: we were playing over two hundred shows a year, or
Speaker 1: I was acoustic in full band, and there wasn't coming
Speaker 1: home for weeks at a time.
Speaker 4: This may seem like an odd question, and it might
Speaker 4: be stupid, but did it ever feel less comfortable to
Speaker 4: be at home?
Speaker 3: Yeah, freak.
Speaker 2: That's why I stayed gone a lot.
Speaker 1: That's why I drank so much, And that's why me
Speaker 1: and my kids are making up for not making up,
Speaker 1: but are spending more time together now. Because I didn't
Speaker 1: talk to my kids a lot because it was too
Speaker 1: painful whenever I was on the road, you know, So
Speaker 1: when they were young, you know, uh, it was just
Speaker 1: you know, dad was gone and sometimes you didn't hear
Speaker 1: from him for days at a time, and I was
Speaker 1: just on the road and sad and drunk and playing
Speaker 1: shows and and COVID hit and that was a forced
Speaker 1: reality check. And so they got to know like the
Speaker 1: real me at home twenty four to seven for over
Speaker 1: a year and started making some changes during that time.
Speaker 2: You know, I was like, man, I have just been
Speaker 2: a real.
Speaker 7: You can say, otherfucker, yeah, you know, and I still am,
Speaker 7: but you know, it's uh, it's it's gotten better.
Speaker 1: So the focuses have changed, Like I said, well go
Speaker 1: it's been you know, family, family has has uh. I Man,
Speaker 1: I did a lot of damage. I did a lot
Speaker 1: of damage and so we're we're working on it.
Speaker 2: The kids are working on.
Speaker 1: It too, because they've had to get used to two
Speaker 1: different guys because I'm like how everybody perceived me to
Speaker 1: be for all those years. I was that guy at
Speaker 1: home too, like it that wasn't an act, man, I
Speaker 1: was a fucking asshole.
Speaker 5: What was the goal just at I was mad at
Speaker 5: the world, dude, I'm just what was the goal to
Speaker 5: fucking punish the world?
Speaker 4: I don't know, at let's do twenty five year old Cody,
Speaker 4: What's what was the life goal, sing.
Speaker 1: About how pissed I was, sing about how eft up
Speaker 1: everything was, you know, I mean, in your.
Speaker 4: A perfect scenario, where was the apex of your career?
Speaker 5: What was the biggest thing? What was the goal there?
Speaker 4: Did you want to do play on top of the moon,
Speaker 4: just stadiums? Did you want to make a living?
Speaker 5: Just make a living?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: I never I never wanted to be a whatever kind
Speaker 1: of band, stadium band I wanted to.
Speaker 2: It was more important to me to go out as
Speaker 2: an artist.
Speaker 1: That was like, oh God, that hurt, Like as an
Speaker 1: artist's artist, as somebody that it was like you look
Speaker 1: at somebody that maybe you wouldn't have had I don't know, Well,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have had any You wouldn't have had a
Speaker 1: Metallica or anybody else without Sabbath, you know, like you
Speaker 1: might not have had Shanaia Twain without Reebash and I,
Speaker 1: you know, blew the doors off everybody. You wouldn't have had,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe George Straight without Meurle or Lefty Frizell
Speaker 1: and look what George has done.
Speaker 2: So being an artist like, but those artists still have
Speaker 2: their favorites.
Speaker 1: And knowing that I made a mark was more important
Speaker 1: to me than the size of where I played.
Speaker 5: Did you ever? Did you ever?
Speaker 4: When did you start writing songs that you felt were
Speaker 4: more personal in music than you actually would ever share
Speaker 4: with anybody in real life.
Speaker 2: My junior year I was really when I think I
Speaker 2: started writing. Well.
Speaker 1: I had been dabbling in writing since I had been
Speaker 1: like seven years old, and I remember writing metal songs
Speaker 1: when I was thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old, and some
Speaker 1: of them were good stuff, and then we're really horrible,
Speaker 1: I would imagine. But I think really, when I was
Speaker 1: probably sixteen seventeen eighteen, I started kind of and I
Speaker 1: gained the confidence from a teacher that I had. I'll
Speaker 1: tell this story yesterday about a teacher that I had
Speaker 1: my junior year, my English teacher. She, you know, she
Speaker 1: was the first person to ever tell me you're a
Speaker 1: great writer.
Speaker 5: And I was like, huh hmmm, I don't think.
Speaker 3: Thanks, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to take that. You know,
Speaker 1: I've never been great at anything. I've been pretty good
Speaker 1: at some stuff, you know, But I don't know.
Speaker 5: Maybe I can do this, I don't know. Who knows.
Speaker 6: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Speaker 6: Bobby Cast did.
Speaker 4: You and were you able to use music as a
Speaker 4: bit of a cape or superhero costume and it was
Speaker 4: the truth, but you were able to use that as
Speaker 4: a way to say it when you wouldn't say otherwise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, under because you can say anything through music.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to hear your opinions if you want to
Speaker 1: get off politically or on a spiritual thing or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, people will listen to your songs all day.
Speaker 1: They do not want to hear you talk about it.
Speaker 1: When you're a songwriter, and that's your job. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: you can say anything you want a song, you know so.
Speaker 4: And I learned that very quick as a guy who
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna throw a big blanket over this, who
Speaker 4: did it all yourself? Independently? And I know there's a
Speaker 4: lot of nuance to that, and you didn't do it.
Speaker 4: Nobody does it all themselves. But sure you understand what
Speaker 4: I'm saying for the.
Speaker 5: Sake of that whenever.
Speaker 4: You started to grow, because I know what it's like
Speaker 4: to go at it really hard for a long time
Speaker 4: and have almost no traction. And I my first I
Speaker 4: built my own syndication company with my own money that
Speaker 4: I didn't have that I didn't have, and then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I'm creating traction and it's like, Wow,
Speaker 4: this guy's kind of an overnight success. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: you have no idea, Like I've been killing myself for
Speaker 4: fifteen freaking years.
Speaker 5: Your story is a bit different. But you did do
Speaker 5: it yourself.
Speaker 4: A lot of parallels though, and when you start catching on.
Speaker 4: Is that weird because you did it a long time
Speaker 4: and you were and you were doing wonderfully as compared
Speaker 4: to what you wanted to do with your life. But
Speaker 4: there was a time where you started to pierce the
Speaker 4: consciousness of a casual country music fan.
Speaker 5: Was that a weird time?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And it happened when I was thirty seven, and.
Speaker 4: I feel like you weren't doing anything different too. I
Speaker 4: think that's what was weird about it.
Speaker 1: I remember being thirty seven years old and thinking, I
Speaker 1: guess I've air quotes made it when I started really
Speaker 1: gaining traction, And then also remember thinking, huh, wow, feeling
Speaker 1: different to me, you know, And so yeah, it is.
Speaker 5: It is weird.
Speaker 4: And did you really have to create the art differently
Speaker 4: or did you even think should I create the art?
Speaker 2: I got impressed, I got depressed.
Speaker 1: Man, I went into a really deep depression from about
Speaker 1: thirty seven thirty eight, thirty nine.
Speaker 2: I was on those seventeen eighteen or nineteen, and I
Speaker 2: was on.
Speaker 1: The road really really, really hard all three of those years,
Speaker 1: and I was not taking care of myself.
Speaker 3: I was I was really drinking too much, and.
Speaker 1: Well I had impostors syndrome and was and went through
Speaker 1: an identity crisis. I remember being on a tour with
Speaker 1: Jamie Johnson and shaved my beard off. I got really drunk,
Speaker 1: shaved my beard off because I hadn't seen what I
Speaker 1: looked like. So what's the best thing to do? Shave
Speaker 1: your beard off? Pissed drunk at three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 5: Obviously, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then my wife walked in and I'd been off
Speaker 1: the road, and she's like, what are you doing. I
Speaker 1: was like, I shaved my beard off. She's like, wow,
Speaker 1: I want to see what it look like. She goes,
Speaker 1: what do you think? I go, I don't like it.
Speaker 1: And I grew my beard. But I went and did
Speaker 1: a show in Alabama for seven thousand people the next
Speaker 1: night or two nights later, something like that.
Speaker 2: Nobody knew it was me when I walked.
Speaker 3: Out on stage.
Speaker 1: It was the weirdest thing I can ever remember happening
Speaker 1: in my life because I was already messed up and
Speaker 1: then I just walked out.
Speaker 2: On stage and nobody knew who I was.
Speaker 1: It was almost like like the dream where you don't
Speaker 1: have pants on and the like, that's as close to
Speaker 1: that real life situation.
Speaker 2: I just thought, Oh my god, what am I doing?
Speaker 2: Who am I?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Who is this fucking character that I've created? Like I
Speaker 1: don't even know who I am? You know, Like I've
Speaker 1: been drunk my entire adult life. I've been on the
Speaker 1: road continually, you know, and like I had just start
Speaker 1: figuring some stuff out. Man. It's so yeah, COVID hit
Speaker 1: forced time home, man, and really a lot of introspection
Speaker 1: at that. And then last couple of years, I hadn't
Speaker 1: been drinking so at all. No, not at all, well,
Speaker 1: no nothing, not a drop man. So you know, just
Speaker 1: just taking care of clearing out some bandwidth, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to grow up, and our parents are getting older.
Speaker 1: We lost my father in law last August, so uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we're focusing on my wife's side of family
Speaker 1: and my side of the family a little bit more
Speaker 1: and raising the kids up and.
Speaker 5: Just not touring as much.
Speaker 4: Did you have concerns that if you didn't drink you
Speaker 4: wouldn't be the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a weird thing because when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I remember watching an interview with George Jones and here,
Speaker 1: and I remember him talking about when he quit drinking,
Speaker 1: he goes, I didn't think I could walk on stage
Speaker 1: without it. I had to learn how to do everything over.
Speaker 1: I took my first sober plane ride when I was
Speaker 1: forty three. I did everything. I did everything over it.
Speaker 1: I had to learn how to walk again. I had
Speaker 1: to learn how to talk again. I had to learn
Speaker 1: how to do everything I'd learned to write.
Speaker 5: At the height of your drinking, what we're drinking and
Speaker 5: how much to day.
Speaker 1: The height of my drinking, I was drinking a bottle
Speaker 1: of whiskey and a twelve pack of beer golly every day.
Speaker 5: Could you still get drunk?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh yeah, I'd be hammered.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: At what point of the day i'd be hammered by?
Speaker 1: I'd be hammered by five or six.
Speaker 5: Were you completely functioning? Yes? Functional?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Did it feel like if you weren't drunk you wouldn't
Speaker 5: be as functional? Yes? Because that was.
Speaker 1: That's what addicts do though, Yeah, that's that, that's the
Speaker 1: attic thing. That's like, No, I didn't know if I
Speaker 1: could do without it, and then you know it's like, well,
Speaker 1: doing with it is really starting to screw things up, dude.
Speaker 5: You know, did you have with draws when you start drinking?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, night sweats and about for how long.
Speaker 1: I had night mayors And I really had really bad
Speaker 1: sweats for the first week, and then night mayores went
Speaker 1: on for a couple of weeks, and then I started
Speaker 1: sleeping really well.
Speaker 3: And you'll hear you'll hear addicts.
Speaker 1: Talk about that, like you'll as we like, you're sleeping better,
Speaker 1: and you'll know when somebody's kind of turned that corner,
Speaker 1: because you know, that's something that starts happening. Your natural
Speaker 1: your chemicals start to rebalance.
Speaker 4: My So I tricked with my mom and rehab a
Speaker 4: few times, and I don't know, my dad a biological
Speaker 4: day left when I was five six, and my mom
Speaker 4: was an attic and from a very small rural town.
Speaker 3: So it was meth.
Speaker 4: It was it was it was all alcohol is weird.
Speaker 4: It was everything, but the meth. That's that was the
Speaker 4: big getter. Yeah, and then opioids because they were so
Speaker 4: easy to get and so cheap to get, so and
Speaker 4: then it would turn into mouthwash. Right, it was anything
Speaker 4: with alcohol, sure, So multiple times I would check my
Speaker 4: mom in, but she could easily check herself out because
Speaker 4: it wasn't a hold, and she would constantly check herself out,
Speaker 4: and I would be upset and I wouldn't understand. I
Speaker 4: really wouldn't understand, and she ended up dying. She was
Speaker 4: forty six years old. She had me when she was sixteen,
Speaker 4: so uh, not the easiest life obviously, and so what
Speaker 4: I remember she died, and I remember being so angry
Speaker 4: at her all the time. And I had some issues
Speaker 4: happened to me PTSD wise where I got PTSD wise,
Speaker 4: where I got jumped at work, I got pistol whipped
Speaker 4: at a event once I was doing I'm a house
Speaker 4: broken into So all this stuff had happened, and the
Speaker 4: doctor said, hey, I wasn't sleeping at all, and we
Speaker 4: tried all these things. I'm so scared to be an addict.
Speaker 4: I'm scared to take anything because of that history with
Speaker 4: my mom and not knowing my dad, and so I'm
Speaker 4: I don't like to take medicine much less take anything
Speaker 4: that will possibly hook me. Right, I feel the addict
Speaker 4: in me and other things. It doesn't matter what I do.
Speaker 5: I feel it.
Speaker 4: So we went for like a year a week experimental
Speaker 4: with things, and finally he was like, hey, look you're
Speaker 4: gonna be You're getting sick because you're not sleeping. Because
Speaker 4: I wasn't sleeping at all, and so I took a
Speaker 4: sleeping pill and I took it for like two or
Speaker 4: three months, but I found myself tethered to it, and
Speaker 4: I'm hyper aware of it. And I try not to
Speaker 4: say addicted, because I've seen real addiction and I don't
Speaker 4: think I was addicted, but I was.
Speaker 5: I was very dependent.
Speaker 4: And I just stopped taking it one day and I
Speaker 4: had some minor withdraws and like my eyes were black,
Speaker 4: not physically, but like I would open them and it
Speaker 4: was still black, and I would sweat and it was
Speaker 4: very minor. And I remember going through that small, small withdraws,
Speaker 4: and it gave me the greatest understanding, except I had
Speaker 4: no idea of what my mom went through because her
Speaker 4: was a thousand times worse. And it was the only
Speaker 4: time in my life that I or it was the
Speaker 4: first time that I actually went.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 4: I get why she couldn't quit because it had to
Speaker 4: be hell for her who was basically addicted to anything
Speaker 4: and everything. And my tiny dependence on sleeping pills and
Speaker 4: the tiny withdraw that I had hurt me physically so
Speaker 4: bad that I related to my mom more in that
Speaker 4: situation because I didn't really have a real relationship with
Speaker 4: her than any other time while.
Speaker 3: She was alive. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, And.
Speaker 4: That's why I ask about that with the withdraws. If
Speaker 4: that's if physically you know it hurt you after that
Speaker 4: long of drinking that significant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's no, that's incredible. That's that you that you
Speaker 1: that you felt that.
Speaker 4: And I'm proud and I love that I felt it, even.
Speaker 2: Though I was gonna say, man, I'm kind of.
Speaker 4: Glad you went through me too, Yeah, because I think
Speaker 4: it would have just been misplaced anger instead. Now it's
Speaker 4: a more of an empathetic understanding.
Speaker 3: Empathy is the word.
Speaker 4: It's a bit of perspective and perspective. We never get
Speaker 4: perspective because we want it. No, I mean, that's a
Speaker 4: tool that we get because we didn't want to have
Speaker 4: to earn it.
Speaker 5: But once you have it, it's so valuable. We don't
Speaker 5: want to have We only get perspective. It's crap happening.
Speaker 1: That's real life stuff, man, that is that is real stuff.
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Speaker 5: You ever talked to artists about that?
Speaker 4: New artists about role all the time, all the time,
Speaker 4: Because I want to hear from somebody and I don't
Speaker 4: I'll tell you a story.
Speaker 3: I want it. I don't want to go to it.
Speaker 4: By the way, if I talk to somebody about marriage,
Speaker 4: I want to talk to somebody who's been through some crap.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like my wife and I went to there.
Speaker 4: But I want to go to somebody wh's been married,
Speaker 4: been through some crap.
Speaker 5: I don't want.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to go to a preacher but who's
Speaker 4: never had an issue or a priest who's never been married,
Speaker 4: because I want to hear how hard it is and
Speaker 4: what you went through and lead the artists come to
Speaker 4: you for the same.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely tell me a sorry.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you two.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you two young guys.
Speaker 2: That one is Jake Worthington.
Speaker 1: We played the Grand Ole Offre together a few months
Speaker 1: ago and his little.
Speaker 3: Baby, Whitley, his little baby girl, Whitley was.
Speaker 1: And his wife were in the dressing room, and it
Speaker 1: meant the world to be the day. And I had
Speaker 1: my wife and kids with me and we went to
Speaker 1: their dressing room and said how to his family, and
Speaker 1: he called me soon there after he said, I want
Speaker 1: you to know how much that meant. You know to
Speaker 1: me and my wife, it can be done in this business.
Speaker 5: You know, to see you and.
Speaker 1: Your grown kids and my wife and I've been together
Speaker 1: twenty eight years and that it can be done.
Speaker 3: Said, absolutely, it can be.
Speaker 2: Done, buddy, I said, it takes a lot of work.
Speaker 1: And your wife's going to go through as much as
Speaker 1: you do because you're going through it. So remember that,
Speaker 1: you know, just just and so things like that that
Speaker 1: happened a few months ago. Played a festal with Bailey'
Speaker 1: Zimmerman the other day. He's one of those guys that
Speaker 1: I met him. I was like, I could not help
Speaker 1: but like the guy same and he has a ball
Speaker 1: of energy.
Speaker 2: He's twenty five years old. He's a young man.
Speaker 3: And I got to spend about fifteen or twenty.
Speaker 2: Minutes with him, which was mostly Bailey.
Speaker 1: Talking about his his ride up, his rocket ship up,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's he's got a really great foundation morally.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the conversation, you know, I guess,
Speaker 1: just being one of the older guys, now, I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: you know, I said, you know, he's got faith in
Speaker 1: the Lord. I said, just keep putting God first, man,
Speaker 1: I said, I said, do that and stay true to yourself.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm gonna be pulling for him, man,
Speaker 1: you know, because that guy's having everything thrown at him,
Speaker 1: so you know, to see somebody on his end of it.
Speaker 3: And that meteoric thing.
Speaker 1: You know, what a ride, what a case of whiplash
Speaker 1: you must have from that, you know, I am going
Speaker 1: to pull for him. I like the guy, you know,
Speaker 1: put the Lord first. Keep doing that, young man. And
Speaker 1: then you know, Jake On like, hey man, newly married,
Speaker 1: new kid, it can be done.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's it's good.
Speaker 1: I guess I kind of wanted to be one of
Speaker 1: the guys that could look at the younger guys and say,
Speaker 1: you know, it's might not be the exact right way
Speaker 1: to do it, but.
Speaker 2: You're trying.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying, and I'm glad we get to
Speaker 1: talk about things like that.
Speaker 4: Bailey's interesting because Bailey and I have similar backgrounds, and
Speaker 4: when Bailey came to town. You're right, he has been
Speaker 4: on a rocket at times and wo but can be
Speaker 4: unfair to the kid because he knew how to sing.
Speaker 4: But he did know how to sing, and I think
Speaker 4: someone like you would know. You grind it out night
Speaker 4: after night after night. You learn how to sing regardless
Speaker 4: of the situation. If you're feeling good, you're feeling bad,
Speaker 4: if you're sleepy, if you're drunk, if you had a
Speaker 4: bad day, wivee's Matt, you have to learn how to
Speaker 4: do it. He's a kid on massive stages, does not
Speaker 4: know how to sing. Yet he knows how to sing,
Speaker 4: but he doesn't know how to He didn't know. You
Speaker 4: couldn't run it. You couldn't go running back and forth
Speaker 4: on like the cat walked out whatever that thing is called,
Speaker 4: and have breath. So so people have videos of I'm
Speaker 4: like sucking and I'm like, dude, you know, the difference
Speaker 4: is that everybody else they got to come up smaller
Speaker 4: to bigger.
Speaker 3: That's the record labels. I don't you know.
Speaker 2: I say this all the time, and I've said it
Speaker 2: recently interview.
Speaker 1: I don't man the artists or the artists, the record
Speaker 1: labels or the record labels. That's I never dog artists, man,
Speaker 1: I never, there's I don't care if I like your
Speaker 1: music or not. That's things like that are the fault
Speaker 1: of the record company.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the people looking out for him, for sure.
Speaker 3: You know. And that's something that I tell people a lot.
Speaker 1: I learned how to play for five people, man, not
Speaker 1: five hundred, not five thousand. I learned how to play
Speaker 1: in front on a Tuesday night in a smoky ass barroom,
Speaker 1: trying to keep If you can keep five people interested
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday night in a codunk bar for four hours,
Speaker 1: you can keep fifty thousand people interested for ninety minutes,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's in what a crash course in
Speaker 1: learning all that that young man has had.
Speaker 5: Were you ever resemful that people wanted to talk to
Speaker 5: you now.
Speaker 2: Like young artists, no, like or just anybody.
Speaker 5: Let's just use me as an example.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I would have known about you had your
Speaker 4: music not started to come to me through friends. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And they would have known about you had to not
Speaker 4: started to road to a place that was larger than
Speaker 4: what and excuse the term of your cult following was
Speaker 4: and so at times I'll get a request to do
Speaker 4: a big interview or something, and I'm like, you only
Speaker 4: want to talk to me, Like I'm popping off right now
Speaker 4: for a specific reason. You didn't want to talk to
Speaker 4: me when things weren't and now I have this weird resembment.
Speaker 4: But I'm like, why am I resemful? Like I've been
Speaker 4: working hard to get people to want to Did you
Speaker 4: ever have that time where you're like, of course, now
Speaker 4: people want to talk to me, why they want to
Speaker 4: talk to me three years ago?
Speaker 2: No, I had such a bad attitude for so long.
Speaker 5: I didn't, dude.
Speaker 1: I went through like a five year period where I
Speaker 1: didn't really do any interviews, like not maybe one or two,
Speaker 1: just because I felt like it. There's a vast, a
Speaker 1: vast section of my career that there's just no interviews. Man,
Speaker 1: I just didn't do them because I didn't want to.
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't want I was in a bad mood.
Speaker 1: I guess I was always on the road, so anytime
Speaker 1: off the road, when I was on the road, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to do interviews because I was just tired
Speaker 1: of being on the road all the time, and then
Speaker 1: I'd get off the road and it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do them at home. I'm at home, so
Speaker 1: I just I didn't. I was like, have him come
Speaker 1: to a show, and right about that, you know. But
Speaker 1: now it's so much more a part of my job
Speaker 1: because we're twouring thirty five to fifty dates a year
Speaker 1: now and that's it. And so I have the bandwidth
Speaker 1: for it now and.
Speaker 5: The patience for it, and.
Speaker 1: Just things are better in my own head now, and
Speaker 1: I do like to I do enjoy sitting down like
Speaker 1: this and talking shop and things of that nature. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just things change, you know, older, and I'm yeah, probably
Speaker 1: a little bit softer of a human, little more softer
Speaker 1: of a human than.
Speaker 5: I used to be. Think COVID force that, Yeah, a
Speaker 5: lot of it did.
Speaker 1: It was really weird, as bad as it was, and
Speaker 1: I would never hope wish for it again. Like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, it really started the process where I started
Speaker 1: to get to know myself and get to know my
Speaker 1: family better.
Speaker 2: And but here's here's a funny thing.
Speaker 1: When COVID hit, we'd been on the road, on the road,
Speaker 1: on the road, on the road. We panicked, like everybody
Speaker 1: else did, and there was a lot of bands that
Speaker 1: lost everything, like people stopped getting paid, crew stopped.
Speaker 5: Getting paid, everybody.
Speaker 1: Honestly, when COVID hit, we got about two months in
Speaker 1: and nobody band, crew, nobody missed a paycheck. We knew
Speaker 1: we were gonna be fine. I didn't realize how much
Speaker 1: money we had in the bank.
Speaker 5: I had no dude.
Speaker 1: It sounds funny to say this, and it's not like
Speaker 1: it was ten million dollars in the bank or whatever.
Speaker 1: It wasn't, but I had no idea how much money
Speaker 1: we did have in the bank, and that like, we
Speaker 1: were fine and nobody missed a paycheck, and then coming
Speaker 1: out on the other side, it was like, we don't
Speaker 1: have like we don't have to work as much.
Speaker 5: We don't have we work.
Speaker 1: As hard always we always work hard, but we don't
Speaker 1: have to work as much. And I might not to
Speaker 1: learn that lesson as quickly without COVID.
Speaker 5: Who are your favorite for artists? Mount Rushmore All Time.
Speaker 1: Answered a similar question to this recently, and I had
Speaker 1: kind of two answers. If you had to put your if, like,
Speaker 1: if we're just looking at the founding fathers, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously I think you'd have to put Jimmy Rogers, Hank Williams,
Speaker 1: Lefty Frizelle, and then just because he's the best that
Speaker 1: God ever created, Merle Haggard. But I'm just gonna say
Speaker 1: that as as country music historian Cody.
Speaker 2: My personal favorite. What did I say?
Speaker 1: I said it would oh, h Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash,
Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, and George Strait.
Speaker 4: Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, George Straight. Hey, you
Speaker 4: got two of the highwaymen there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: How about ever see that show?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, one of the funniest things ever.
Speaker 1: I did a show with Chris Christopherson no way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: six or seven years ago, and we're standing in the
Speaker 1: green room and Chris and Lisa, his wife, were so
Speaker 1: cool and so gracious with their time, and Chris was
Speaker 1: just in there drinking beer with everybody, and my dad
Speaker 1: walks up to Chris Krosto. My mother's I've never seen
Speaker 1: my mother swoon. My mother swooned when Chris Christofferson walked
Speaker 1: in the door. And my dad walks up to Chris
Speaker 1: Christopherson and goes, hey, Chris, how about you call?
Speaker 3: Will you up and me and you and Willie get
Speaker 3: the highway back together.
Speaker 9: And it's one of the only times in my career
Speaker 9: I really remember looking over and goes, oh shit, and
Speaker 9: Chris looks over, and I don't know if Chris heard him.
Speaker 3: Ride or didn't hear him ride or whatever, but it
Speaker 3: just was just because.
Speaker 5: That's the perfect response to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know if he heard him misunderstand
Speaker 1: because Chris was like have deaf at the time, anyone almost.
Speaker 5: It was funny.
Speaker 4: That is funny that guy Rhodes scholar. Yeah, veteran, like
Speaker 4: and not just a veteran, but like legit. Yes, yes,
Speaker 4: great actor, Yeah great, I mean he wrote me and
Speaker 4: Bobby McGhee, Yeah, aside from other songs. But he really
Speaker 4: doesn't really get the credit for that because Jannah Shchoplin,
Speaker 4: you know, is the one who made that song famous.
Speaker 5: Like he did it, he did it all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sunday Morning coming Down.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I don't know if there's a more
Speaker 4: multi dimensional It was also great looking too. It's like
Speaker 4: it's just weird that he had everything God and not
Speaker 4: that he didn't earn everything.
Speaker 1: I'm not joking, man, Like he was eighty three whenever
Speaker 1: we did a show with him years ago.
Speaker 2: And like the dude looked good then.
Speaker 5: Yeah he was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. He was the whole package.
Speaker 2: Just brilliant, handsome, funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that part of him, you know, like
Speaker 5: just I don't know any part of him.
Speaker 2: Quick quit man, you know, just man.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, was in a Starsborn, right, Mike, Yeah, the
Speaker 4: second that not the very very first one, but the
Speaker 4: second one was Barbara Barbara.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: He did it all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he was Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Hey, he walked so she could run. That's what I say.
Speaker 3: He was. He was. He was awesome.
Speaker 1: He was awesome, and uh, it was so nice being
Speaker 1: able to It was me and him and Ward Davis
Speaker 1: on that Bill and Ward got out and did Bobby
Speaker 1: McGee with him.
Speaker 3: That's really that was.
Speaker 1: That was to watch, and I got up and did
Speaker 1: Sunday Morning Coming Down with him, and it was just
Speaker 1: so special man being able to do that, because he's
Speaker 1: one of those guys, he's one of the greatest we've
Speaker 1: ever had. And now people are like, man, you got
Speaker 1: to play with Christopherson, right, And I'm like, well, as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact.
Speaker 3: I did, you know.
Speaker 2: It's like I get to tell some cool stories.
Speaker 4: I want to ask about the record, speaking of you
Speaker 4: and Ward Davis wrote Monster together. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 4: that's just because a lot of the I'll say a
Speaker 4: lot a lot of songs wrote by yourself, but you and
Speaker 4: Ward wrote that one together. What about that song stood out?
Speaker 1: That was the last song we wrote on the record. Actually,
Speaker 1: the band was doing pre production for the record, and
Speaker 1: Ward came to Colorado where we were hold up working
Speaker 1: and just stayed with us for about a week and
Speaker 1: Ward and I wrote and we ended up writing that song,
Speaker 1: and so that song was the last edition that song.
Speaker 1: Ward and I both gave up drinking, so for us,
Speaker 1: that song was talking about it. The thing about that song, though,
Speaker 1: is I had when we wrote that song, I wanted
Speaker 1: a female to sing it. I thought that that would
Speaker 1: be a great song for a female to sing and
Speaker 1: maybe the monster, you know. I was thinking kind of
Speaker 1: a maybe a a woman being done wrong, like a
Speaker 1: domestic violence kind of thing, like there's this monster she
Speaker 1: keeps letting back in because so often that's the trend
Speaker 1: with with scenarios like that.
Speaker 2: So I had that picture kind of painted.
Speaker 1: And Josh, our bass player and producer, he was like, dude,
Speaker 1: you got to sing that song, and Ward was like, dude,
Speaker 1: you got to sing that song. And so everybody's got
Speaker 1: a monster, and monsters are real and they're they're out
Speaker 1: there and everybody's as different. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: what's kind of cool about that song. It's got such
Speaker 1: a swing in almost disco kind of chorus. It's really weird.
Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those ones you want to
Speaker 1: dance to, but the words are really heavy, so it's
Speaker 1: it's it's really strange in that regard, but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of a what's Your monster?
Speaker 4: Lived in Texas for twelve thirteen years, lived in Austin,
Speaker 4: and so growing up in Arkansas, I wasn't I didn't
Speaker 4: know much of the Texas music scene. When you live
Speaker 4: in Austin, you are quickly baptized into the Texas music scene.
Speaker 4: And that's where I learned of Ray Willy Hubbard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
Speaker 5: You him and your Tennessee jet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, talk about that song for a second.
Speaker 5: The others.
Speaker 3: It was so cool.
Speaker 1: I was playing a festival in Oklahoma and Ray was
Speaker 1: on that festival, and TJ came. TJ and I've written
Speaker 1: so many songs together. I mean, probably that's.
Speaker 5: What you call Tennessee Jet TJ.
Speaker 3: TJ.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his name's Thomas Thomas James McFarland. And that's not
Speaker 1: a secret. I'm not giving anything away.
Speaker 5: But his social Security number is yeah, his social is.
Speaker 3: He lives in.
Speaker 1: He came to see me that day because he was
Speaker 1: he lives not far from where that festival was, and
Speaker 1: I was like, man, yeah, of course he's going to
Speaker 1: get up and do some songs with me.
Speaker 2: And he knows Ray better than me.
Speaker 1: I met Ray for the first time twenty plus years ago,
Speaker 1: but Ray and I hadn't seen each other reconnected since then.
Speaker 1: And he said, hey, let's go say how to Ray.
Speaker 1: So he calls Ray up. He said, hey, I'm over
Speaker 1: at Jinks and this and that. So we ended up
Speaker 1: going over to Ray's bus and hanging out with Ray.
Speaker 1: And Ray is the coolest guy in music, just in
Speaker 1: a genre, just the coolest, coolest human ever. And he's
Speaker 1: just such a nice and sweet and kind and generous man.
Speaker 5: And he said, well, you know, guys, I think.
Speaker 3: Maybe we ought to.
Speaker 1: Try to write one and that's all we needed to hear.
Speaker 1: So TJ just that day ended and TJ starts a
Speaker 1: text threat between me and him and Ray and t
Speaker 1: The whole song happened on a text message. TJ goes, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: what do you think about this? Bam, there's the first verse.
Speaker 1: Ray fires right back with the second verse. I was like,
Speaker 1: what do you guys think about this? For a chorus,
Speaker 1: and then TJ goes, oh, what about this for the
Speaker 1: last verse. So it was TJ, Ray, me, TJ and
Speaker 1: we really didn't change anything, and it happened just like
Speaker 1: it was one of the strangest It just happened, I
Speaker 1: guess because it was supposed to and it was too
Speaker 1: cool not to happen. That's how we wrote that song.
Speaker 1: We just filmed the video for it two days ago
Speaker 1: in Chattanooga, and we had all kinds.
Speaker 5: Of people out there.
Speaker 1: We had cowboys and freaks and goths and punks and
Speaker 1: business people all in the video and just fire breather
Speaker 1: and people swinging from stunt people swinging from sandaliers, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's because it's a song for the fans,
Speaker 1: and we're singing for everybody out there, and it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a love song to the fans,
Speaker 1: hippies and cowboys.
Speaker 5: Tour all the way until the end of the year.
Speaker 4: You're also doing the acoustic shows with Ward Davis, and
Speaker 4: I mean, for the most part, they can just go
Speaker 4: to your socials.
Speaker 5: You got all the dates up there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean it's the easiest thing to say now, just it's
Speaker 1: all on the all on the socials.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: Everything. I've really enjoyed this. Thanks for giving me an hour.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the hour. I appreciate it. And uh yeah,
Speaker 2: a great way to button up the trip.
Speaker 5: I'm when do you go home?
Speaker 3: Now? From here? From here?
Speaker 2: From here, I'll be on an airplane in a couple
Speaker 2: of hours, and so I'm I'm about to go to
Speaker 2: about to go to.
Speaker 1: The airport and and uh head back to the head
Speaker 1: back to the DFW area.
Speaker 5: Well, listen, I really enjoy as a person.
Speaker 2: Thank you likewise, man, I really.
Speaker 5: I used to be.
Speaker 4: I'm scared of you still maybe like one person still
Speaker 4: scared because you know, you know, you could stab me
Speaker 4: at anytime, and I'd be like, yep.
Speaker 5: I thought so. But other than that, like, I really
Speaker 5: like hanging out with Thank you much.
Speaker 2: I really, honestly, Bobby, I didn't want to like you.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you said it.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I didn't want I agree, And now it's kind
Speaker 9: of like step brothers, you know, It's like, now it's like,
Speaker 9: did we just become friends?
Speaker 3: Actually?
Speaker 1: So no, thank you so much for your time and
Speaker 1: all the best. And I think that our story is
Speaker 1: probably parallel with one another, probably far more than either one.
Speaker 5: Of us realized. That's so funny.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you guys, go at Cody Jink's new album
Speaker 4: July twenty fifth, in My Blood, really appreciate the hour.
Speaker 4: Have safe trip home, and next time you're in town,
Speaker 4: let's do it again and talk about how we can't
Speaker 4: believe we like each other.
Speaker 1: I know, you know what, we might as well because
Speaker 1: these keep getting better.
Speaker 5: I'll grow the beard, you wear the card again.
Speaker 1: We'll be all, yeah, I'm turning over all kinds of
Speaker 1: leaves man.
Speaker 5: All right, there he is Cody Jinks.
Speaker 8: Everybody, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production