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Speaker 2: Nobody knew it was me when I walked down on stage.

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Speaker 1: It was the weirdest thing I can ever remember happening

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Speaker 3: Who is this character?

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Speaker 4: Welcome to episode five twenty eight with Cody Jinks. He's

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Speaker 4: a native of Haltham City in Fort Worth, Texas, and

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Speaker 4: he still lives in Texas, right yep. So when he

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Speaker 5: Then heading back home knocks it all out.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of the dream, Like if this is not

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Speaker 4: your home, then you don't have to like move somewhere,

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Speaker 4: because a lot of people they have to. We had

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Speaker 4: to move here, and I like it here now. But

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Speaker 4: it's kind of the dream to be Texas and stay

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Speaker 4: in Texas. I mean, Parker McAll him, just moved back

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Speaker 4: to Texas living back there?

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Speaker 6: Would you do that?

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Speaker 5: Like with Arkansas? You just come here like once a month.

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Speaker 4: I need to come here, though once a month. I

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Speaker 4: don't think just stay there. I think this now is home.

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Speaker 4: But I would move to Faetteville. Probably when did it

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Speaker 4: feel like home to you? Because it's like just started

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Speaker 4: to feel like home to me in like the last

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Speaker 4: one or two years. Yesterday, Yeah, yesterday it did. For

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Speaker 4: the first house, like dangs feels like home. Uh, probably

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Speaker 4: at sometimes. But yeah, that's the dream. I like Cody

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Speaker 4: Jinks a lot. If you see him, you could be

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Speaker 4: intimidated by him. Covered in tattoos, got the beard, I mean,

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Speaker 4: did play in thrash metal bands? What's the difference in

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Speaker 4: thrash and like heavy thrash is like a lot faster

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Speaker 4: than the drums are, Like.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I do know the drums.

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Speaker 4: Thinking about Cody though, he's made his own path, he's

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Speaker 4: kind of killing it and we spent an hour talking

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Speaker 4: about that. He has a new album out that is

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Speaker 4: called In My Blood, just came out on Friday. He

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Speaker 4: is on his Hippies and Cowboys tour that kicked off

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Speaker 4: at the end of May, and you can go and

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Speaker 4: watch him. He's also doing two headlining shows at the

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Speaker 4: Chelsea at the Cosmo in Vegas, December twelfth and thirteenth.

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Speaker 4: Here he is Cody Jinks.

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Speaker 5: Cody, good to see you.

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Speaker 2: Likewise, thank you, thank you so much for having me

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Speaker 2: and hosting.

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Speaker 5: Do you feel like people?

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Speaker 4: And I'm going to ask this because my answer to

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Because I did, because you've done the show before and

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Speaker 4: I found you quite delightful, which is not what I

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Speaker 5: Say can I say diddo? You can say whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: I actually, after the first time we spoke, I've left

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Speaker 4: And it's not that I didn't expect. I didn't expect

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Speaker 4: so I don't like him. That's how I felt the

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Speaker 4: first time I met you and you left. I remember

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Speaker 4: telling everybody like, that's my new best friend, Like I

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Speaker 5: So that's my takeaway from the last time.

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Speaker 3: I agree. No, I appreciate that. No, I did.

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Speaker 1: I liked you and and God and this is so

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Speaker 2: But you you're like, oh, I was surprised.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 1: I've been doing this twenty five years and it's like, oh, yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: It's cool to me when a preconceived notion that gets

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Speaker 5: That way, usually not always.

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Speaker 4: And No, I found you to be really cerebral. I

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Speaker 4: and you just don't look like you'd be It's the

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's funny that you say that, and

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Speaker 1: I do get that quite a bit. My daughter is

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Speaker 2: We just started our tour, but I've been home a

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Speaker 1: And she's been in dance competition season, and she thought

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Speaker 3: And that's that's just that's just me.

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Speaker 1: So whenever this guy is just standing there like this,

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Speaker 1: But I guess it just looks like I'm always pissed off.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, Casey, Casey, I was just talking

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Speaker 1: And so you know, I kind of have a and

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Speaker 2: I'm I may look like that or you know this.

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Speaker 1: I was like, but I'm watching you do your solo

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Speaker 2: I was like, did you just need to hear me

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Speaker 5: And yes it did.

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Speaker 1: Actually, So I was like, I'm not talking to people

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Speaker 2: Just after a while they realized, oh, you can go

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Speaker 1: And it may take halfway through the season because I

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Speaker 1: don't talk. I don't just sit down and talk to people. Dude, say,

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Speaker 2: Somebody walks up and says something, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Intelligence If you walk up and you want to talk

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Speaker 1: ask me what book I'm reading?

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Speaker 3: Bro Like, I'll be like, let's go, let's.

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Speaker 1: Talk, you know, but yeah, it's it's I don't seem

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Speaker 5: I'm very socially awkward.

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Speaker 4: Same weird because we both have jobs that are The

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Speaker 4: I have never not be nice to anybody that appreciates

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Speaker 1: I assume deep down nobody wants me there anyway. Part

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Speaker 5: The gest are part of me too.

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Speaker 4: I'm I have great confidence in that part of me

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Speaker 4: when I'm there to do that, specifically, when I'm to

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Speaker 5: Isn't that funny?

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Speaker 1: I'm the same way, and people are like I think

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Speaker 2: Worth man, I don't remember anybody saying anything.

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Speaker 1: To me at all because I've, like you said, while ago,

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Speaker 1: I've never I've never not been if some of it

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Speaker 1: is not being mean to me. I've never not been

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Speaker 5: But like, dude, I don't say mean things to people.

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Speaker 4: I actually appreciate when people appreciate what I do, because

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Speaker 4: it's that's what I work so.

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Speaker 5: Hard to do.

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Speaker 1: I am the first one to if you walk, I

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Speaker 5: Me with people at airports wherever. When I'm eating, Oh no,

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Speaker 5: I don't want to. I don't want that.

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Speaker 2: I don't want it. But I never see anything mean.

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Speaker 5: I may say fair enough.

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Speaker 1: I may say, hey, man, I'm trying to have a

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Speaker 1: give me thirty minutes, dude, you know, let me have

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Speaker 1: I'll do that and and I'll go over and what

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Speaker 5: But you know, uh, that's a general role too.

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Speaker 4: I'll share with people that, hey, if somebody's creating something,

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Speaker 4: they like to be appreciated for the creation. However, the

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Speaker 4: two times that I would not go up to a

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Speaker 3: Kids.

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Speaker 4: Those are those are universally the two that I say,

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Speaker 3: Me neither me, neither not.

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Speaker 1: Everybody can control themselves. And I think that you've probably

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Speaker 1: If I'm at home, I'll fish at least twice a week.

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Speaker 4: It's hardcore, especially when you're like twelve and he's on

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Speaker 1: Absolutely crappy is the best for eating fish. The trout

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Speaker 3: Have you done no? Now?

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Speaker 4: But that's my only experience. But I didn't grow up

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Speaker 4: The because I feel like fly fishing is almost like

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Speaker 5: I think the whole process is beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I would It's kind of like I tried playing golf

442
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 1: and I'm no good at it, but I tried it

443
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,160
Speaker 1: and I gained an.

444
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Speaker 5: Appreciation for it that I didn't have before.

445
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Speaker 3: I'm not fly fishing, but I.

446
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 1: Love all the.

447
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,880
Speaker 2: Process of it, like you said, preparing the flies.

448
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,440
Speaker 1: And then I think that fly fishermen are going out

449
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,679
Speaker 1: there and working on just their technique and having the

450
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 1: mental thing going on there. I think that's probably as much,

451
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, as much to do with it as anything.

452
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, I could be wrong, but I just

453
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Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a focus thing. It's a

454
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 1: just standing there and making sure your swing is correct.

455
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 1: It's you know, doing your scales on a guitar on it.

456
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

457
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Speaker 8: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

458
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Speaker 4: Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 5: When you talk about reading books, what kind of books

460
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Speaker 5: do you like to read?

461
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 3: I read a.

462
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 5: Little bit of everything.

463
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 2: Right now. I went back and I'm reading my buddy.

464
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Speaker 5: Tennessee Yet gave me East of Eden. Probably give a

465
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Speaker 5: buddy named Tennessee Jet.

466
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,199
Speaker 4: Yeah. What's Tennessee Jet do? Because he sounds like he's

467
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 4: making moonshine.

468
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: He's a songwriter, buddy of okay, all right?

469
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

470
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: And he might be making a boo shout.

471
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

472
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 1: But he gave me a copy of East of Eden

473
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: years ago, and I'm finally getting through it, and I

474
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 1: think I've found the most horrible villain I've ever read

475
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,640
Speaker 1: about in any book in East of Eating. Her name

476
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 1: is Kathy. She's like the most vile thing I have

477
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: ever read about. I'm reading that one right now.

478
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 5: Is that true?

479
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 3: The story?

480
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 5: It's a fiction story.

481
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a Steinbeck book and it's a classic. I'm revisiting.

482
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: So I do fun stuff with my wife and I

483
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: read a whole bunch both of us, and so she's

484
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Speaker 1: usually she reads a bunch of different stuff than I do,

485
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Speaker 1: but we kind of trade back and forth, and I've

486
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Speaker 1: usually got a physical book going and an audible book going.

487
00:21:54,720 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 1: I don't listen to as much radio anymore, listen to

488
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Speaker 1: my stories, my programs.

489
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Speaker 4: The problem with Audible and reading. I tried to do

490
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 4: the same book, reading it and listening to it. Yeah,

491
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 4: I just simultaneously or differently, well at different times. So

492
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 4: in my car, I would try to listen to the

493
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 4: book and then if I was back home, I read it.

494
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Speaker 4: The problem is I wish they would tell you page

495
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Speaker 4: turn and Audible what page number it was on, because

496
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Speaker 4: then I can't find it in the book, and if

497
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Speaker 4: I do two books and once again my stories mixed up.

498
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Speaker 3: I've had that problem.

499
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Speaker 1: I was reading a book recently and there was a

500
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Speaker 1: part in the book that I flagged on Audible, and

501
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: then I had the physical copy of the book and

502
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: it to me forever to find it because I was

503
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: going to like circle littery.

504
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I just like would like to use that

505
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 4: time to continue, Yeah, chasing the story, which I'm totally into,

506
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 4: or if it's a nonfiction book. But I can't do

507
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 4: I can't do two books because my stories mix up

508
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 4: in my head. And then if I try to do

509
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 4: one listening and one read but the same book, I

510
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 4: can't ever catch up. I can't find the spot O.

511
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 4: There are bigger problems in the world, but not many.

512
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 4: That's like top three problems in the world, probably rank

513
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 4: third hunger, you know it, war, Yeah, and three audible

514
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 4: to book pay your stories crossed.

515
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: Exactly And I feel you, man, No, it's it's it's

516
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a good problem to have in it.

517
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 5: What kind of teenager were you?

518
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 3: I was probably weird, weird.

519
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 5: Or problematic or both.

520
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

521
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 2: I walked right up to the edge of going to

522
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Speaker 2: jail now.

523
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: I mean I went to jail once for stealing street

524
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: signs and it was dumb. I was sixteen with some

525
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: of my buddies. But I was mischievous. I wasn't bad.

526
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: I was mischievous and it was anything for a laugh.

527
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: Everything was a good time. So it was it was.

528
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: I was quiet at home, and I'm still quiet at home.

529
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: But when I was because my dad was very, very strict.

530
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Speaker 3: That was a hard dude.

531
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Speaker 1: When we were home, when I was a kid, so

532
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Speaker 1: it was kind of like what kind of moods? Dad

533
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 1: and everybody else was really quiet. So my mouth got

534
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: me into a lot of trouble at school because everything

535
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: that I wasn't.

536
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 5: Able to do it.

537
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: I was like what to school?

538
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: And I got in trouble for you know, I skipped

539
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: class a lot, but the teachers loved me, so it

540
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: was kind of like, mister Jenks, go back to wherever

541
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be and quit disrupting my class.

542
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 3: It was that kind of thing. It was. I played sports.

543
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: I was I was a below average athlete, but I

544
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: played sports all through high school. I worked from the

545
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: time I was a freshman all the way through high school.

546
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: And so if I wasn't working or playing sports, I

547
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: was at home playing guitar.

548
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: I didn't go to parties. I wasn't a part of

549
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: that group.

550
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Speaker 5: Where'd you get the guitar?

551
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: I picked my dad's up when I was fifteen.

552
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 5: Where'd he get the guitar?

553
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: My dad bought a nineteen eighty one Takamini right after

554
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: he and my mom had me, and it was a

555
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: lost TAKAMENI was one of the Eel three forty nine's

556
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: the name looked like the Martin name, and you'll hear

557
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: people talk about the lawsuit talkomenis and that's those. So

558
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: Dad bought one of those, and I grew up around it,

559
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: but didn't pick it up until I was fifteen, and

560
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: then I wouldn't put it down. And so when I

561
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: was sixteen, Mom and dad bought me a Fender Stratocaster,

562
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: the Squire series, and we were off to the races.

563
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Speaker 4: Because your dad was, as you described him, either quiet,

564
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 4: I don't know if he was unpredictable.

565
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 5: My dad was unpredictable.

566
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 2: We found out what bipolar was in nineteen ninety four.

567
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 5: So prior to that, he was just unpredictable.

568
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

569
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, my mom was bipolar two and an addict.

570
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 4: So definitely similar vibe where everything was kind of on

571
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 4: our backs because we did we didn't trust it enough

572
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 4: to be on hers. Yes, if he's playing guitar and

573
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 4: then you start playing guitar, was a bit of you

574
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 4: playing guitar to I won't say b like, but to

575
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 4: show him, hey, like, pay attention to me.

576
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 5: I'm doing what you like to do.

577
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: No, Because I remember him, I remember him.

578
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: Being I'd be like, hey, Dad, check this out.

579
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: And he always had so much on his mind, you know,

580
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: and I just it was kind of like, yeah, that's

581
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: that's cool, you know. And it wasn't that I wanted

582
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: him to be proud of me for it. Now, after

583
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: I got older and I was started making a living

584
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: in the bars and Dad really softened up. You know,

585
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: Dad'll tell you. You know, he's living both of our dreams.

586
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: You know, Dad wanted to do this. That's what Dad

587
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: wanted to do. You know, didn't work out in his

588
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: life for that, and it did for me. And so yeah,

589
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of feel like I carried the

590
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: torch that seed was planted, but it wasn't ever he

591
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: expected that whatever me and my sister did. Mom and

592
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: Dad supported it. You know, it wasn't didn't have to

593
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 1: be music. But he loves it.

594
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 5: He's still alive, he is, Yeah, he is.

595
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: Mom and Dad fortunately are both still around him.

596
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: Wow.

597
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: Did you feel like playing the guitar later on brought

598
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 4: you guys closer? Did he give you a conduit to

599
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 4: actually talk and like open up it all?

600
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: Phishing was our first and really one of our only

601
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: conduits when I was a kid. That's really why I

602
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: loved fishing with my dad because that's we didn't really talk.

603
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: And that was the funny thing. We would sit in

604
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: the boat for hours and hours and hours and talk

605
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: a little.

606
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: Bit and Dad.

607
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: Dad and I always had had a good relationship. I

608
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: have always had a good relationship. We've always been able

609
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: to talk despite him being a He's a very loving

610
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: man in spite of being very difficult and very hard

611
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,479
Speaker 1: and not understanding what mental illness is.

612
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: And like I said, until the nineties.

613
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 1: And the guitar has really I wrote a song on

614
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: the new record, you know, and I'm talking kind of

615
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: about that top thing about Dad used to sing the

616
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: cats and the cradles when I was a kid, and

617
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: now we're living that, and so I make mention of that.

618
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: And now I'm on the road working and providing for

619
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: a family and have been for a long long time

620
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: and trying to to balance, you know, son, when you

621
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: coming home soon? You know, Dad, I don't know when.

622
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: So you know, we're kind of living that. You know,

623
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: they're getting older, and.

624
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: So it's it's why I don't to quite as much anymore.

625
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: My children are getting older, our parents are getting older,

626
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: and our band, most of our band is all this

627
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: hell Man, hot Rod are still player.

628
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: He just jumped back on the road. He just lost

629
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: his mom. So our band is entering that phase of.

630
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: Our life, you know.

631
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: So it's that's a kind of a kind of a

632
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: weird place to be. But to answer your question, Dad

633
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: just he loves what I do. He still loves it.

634
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 5: To just expand on that for those lest things.

635
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 4: So Cat Stevens had Cats in the Cradle and the Silverspoon,

636
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 4: the little the whole song is really about the dad

637
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: being gone doing his thing and the kids like where. Yeah,

638
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 4: like I don't get to see you know. It's that vibe. Yes,

639
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 4: And you say you live in that now, but I

640
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 4: feel like you're from what I've learned from you, like

641
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: you're trying not to live that as much now.

642
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had we hit the brakes Man, We really did.

643
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: I had to for my mental health. You know. I

644
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: know that the band is enjoyed spending time with their family,

645
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: their families respectively, and it's it's important we stayed gone

646
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: for a very very long time.

647
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 4: Well when you say stay gone, because here, even if

648
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: I'm torny stand up, I'm doing maybe Thursday night, but

649
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 4: Friday night, Saturday night, I'm back Sunday, I gotta feeling

650
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: that ain't what you're doing or wasn't what you were doing?

651
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: No for man.

652
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: For thirteen years from seven to twenty twenty, when COVID hit,

653
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: I was gone nine to ten months a year gone gone,

654
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: I would come home. I would be gone three to

655
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: four weeks, come home for one or come home for

656
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: two on a long one't be gone three to four weeks,

657
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: come home for one or two weeks. So yeah, it

658
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: worked out to where, you know, some of those years

659
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: we were playing over two hundred shows a year, or

660
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: I was acoustic in full band, and there wasn't coming

661
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: home for weeks at a time.

662
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 4: This may seem like an odd question, and it might

663
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 4: be stupid, but did it ever feel less comfortable to

664
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 4: be at home?

665
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, freak.

666
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: That's why I stayed gone a lot.

667
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: That's why I drank so much, And that's why me

668
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: and my kids are making up for not making up,

669
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: but are spending more time together now. Because I didn't

670
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: talk to my kids a lot because it was too

671
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: painful whenever I was on the road, you know, So

672
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: when they were young, you know, uh, it was just

673
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: you know, dad was gone and sometimes you didn't hear

674
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: from him for days at a time, and I was

675
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: just on the road and sad and drunk and playing

676
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: shows and and COVID hit and that was a forced

677
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: reality check. And so they got to know like the

678
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: real me at home twenty four to seven for over

679
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: a year and started making some changes during that time.

680
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: You know, I was like, man, I have just been

681
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: a real.

682
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 7: You can say, otherfucker, yeah, you know, and I still am,

683
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 7: but you know, it's uh, it's it's gotten better.

684
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: So the focuses have changed, Like I said, well go

685
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: it's been you know, family, family has has uh. I Man,

686
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: I did a lot of damage. I did a lot

687
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: of damage and so we're we're working on it.

688
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: The kids are working on.

689
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: It too, because they've had to get used to two

690
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: different guys because I'm like how everybody perceived me to

691
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: be for all those years. I was that guy at

692
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: home too, like it that wasn't an act, man, I

693
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: was a fucking asshole.

694
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 5: What was the goal just at I was mad at

695
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 5: the world, dude, I'm just what was the goal to

696
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 5: fucking punish the world?

697
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 4: I don't know, at let's do twenty five year old Cody,

698
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 4: What's what was the life goal, sing.

699
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: About how pissed I was, sing about how eft up

700
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: everything was, you know, I mean, in your.

701
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 4: A perfect scenario, where was the apex of your career?

702
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 5: What was the biggest thing? What was the goal there?

703
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 4: Did you want to do play on top of the moon,

704
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 4: just stadiums? Did you want to make a living?

705
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 5: Just make a living?

706
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: Really?

707
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: I never I never wanted to be a whatever kind

708
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: of band, stadium band I wanted to.

709
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: It was more important to me to go out as

710
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: an artist.

711
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: That was like, oh God, that hurt, Like as an

712
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: artist's artist, as somebody that it was like you look

713
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: at somebody that maybe you wouldn't have had I don't know, Well,

714
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have had any You wouldn't have had a

715
00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: Metallica or anybody else without Sabbath, you know, like you

716
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: might not have had Shanaia Twain without Reebash and I,

717
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, blew the doors off everybody. You wouldn't have had,

718
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, maybe George Straight without Meurle or Lefty Frizell

719
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: and look what George has done.

720
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: So being an artist like, but those artists still have

721
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: their favorites.

722
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: And knowing that I made a mark was more important

723
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: to me than the size of where I played.

724
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 5: Did you ever? Did you ever?

725
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 4: When did you start writing songs that you felt were

726
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 4: more personal in music than you actually would ever share

727
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: with anybody in real life.

728
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: My junior year I was really when I think I

729
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: started writing. Well.

730
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: I had been dabbling in writing since I had been

731
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: like seven years old, and I remember writing metal songs

732
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: when I was thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old, and some

733
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: of them were good stuff, and then we're really horrible,

734
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: I would imagine. But I think really, when I was

735
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: probably sixteen seventeen eighteen, I started kind of and I

736
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: gained the confidence from a teacher that I had. I'll

737
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: tell this story yesterday about a teacher that I had

738
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: my junior year, my English teacher. She, you know, she

739
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: was the first person to ever tell me you're a

740
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: great writer.

741
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 5: And I was like, huh hmmm, I don't think.

742
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: Thanks, I don't.

743
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to take that. You know,

744
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: I've never been great at anything. I've been pretty good

745
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: at some stuff, you know, But I don't know.

746
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 5: Maybe I can do this, I don't know. Who knows.

747
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 6: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

748
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 6: Bobby Cast did.

749
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 4: You and were you able to use music as a

750
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 4: bit of a cape or superhero costume and it was

751
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 4: the truth, but you were able to use that as

752
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: a way to say it when you wouldn't say otherwise.

753
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, under because you can say anything through music.

754
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to hear your opinions if you want to

755
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: get off politically or on a spiritual thing or whatever.

756
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: You know, people will listen to your songs all day.

757
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: They do not want to hear you talk about it.

758
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: When you're a songwriter, and that's your job. Yeah, it's

759
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: you can say anything you want a song, you know so.

760
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: And I learned that very quick as a guy who

761
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna throw a big blanket over this, who

762
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 4: did it all yourself? Independently? And I know there's a

763
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 4: lot of nuance to that, and you didn't do it.

764
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 4: Nobody does it all themselves. But sure you understand what

765
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 4: I'm saying for the.

766
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 5: Sake of that whenever.

767
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: You started to grow, because I know what it's like

768
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: to go at it really hard for a long time

769
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: and have almost no traction. And I my first I

770
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 4: built my own syndication company with my own money that

771
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 4: I didn't have that I didn't have, and then all

772
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I'm creating traction and it's like, Wow,

773
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 4: this guy's kind of an overnight success. And I'm like,

774
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 4: you have no idea, Like I've been killing myself for

775
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: fifteen freaking years.

776
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 5: Your story is a bit different. But you did do

777
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 5: it yourself.

778
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 4: A lot of parallels though, and when you start catching on.

779
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: Is that weird because you did it a long time

780
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: and you were and you were doing wonderfully as compared

781
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 4: to what you wanted to do with your life. But

782
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 4: there was a time where you started to pierce the

783
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 4: consciousness of a casual country music fan.

784
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 5: Was that a weird time?

785
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

786
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: And it happened when I was thirty seven, and.

787
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 4: I feel like you weren't doing anything different too. I

788
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: think that's what was weird about it.

789
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: I remember being thirty seven years old and thinking, I

790
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: guess I've air quotes made it when I started really

791
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: gaining traction, And then also remember thinking, huh, wow, feeling

792
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: different to me, you know, And so yeah, it is.

793
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 5: It is weird.

794
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 4: And did you really have to create the art differently

795
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: or did you even think should I create the art?

796
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: I got impressed, I got depressed.

797
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: Man, I went into a really deep depression from about

798
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: thirty seven thirty eight, thirty nine.

799
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: I was on those seventeen eighteen or nineteen, and I

800
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: was on.

801
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: The road really really, really hard all three of those years,

802
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: and I was not taking care of myself.

803
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: I was I was really drinking too much, and.

804
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: Well I had impostors syndrome and was and went through

805
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: an identity crisis. I remember being on a tour with

806
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: Jamie Johnson and shaved my beard off. I got really drunk,

807
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: shaved my beard off because I hadn't seen what I

808
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: looked like. So what's the best thing to do? Shave

809
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: your beard off? Pissed drunk at three o'clock in the morning.

810
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 5: Obviously, Yeah.

811
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: And then my wife walked in and I'd been off

812
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: the road, and she's like, what are you doing. I

813
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: was like, I shaved my beard off. She's like, wow,

814
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: I want to see what it look like. She goes,

815
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: what do you think? I go, I don't like it.

816
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: And I grew my beard. But I went and did

817
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: a show in Alabama for seven thousand people the next

818
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: night or two nights later, something like that.

819
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: Nobody knew it was me when I walked.

820
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 3: Out on stage.

821
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: It was the weirdest thing I can ever remember happening

822
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: in my life because I was already messed up and

823
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: then I just walked out.

824
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: On stage and nobody knew who I was.

825
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: It was almost like like the dream where you don't

826
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: have pants on and the like, that's as close to

827
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: that real life situation.

828
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 2: I just thought, Oh my god, what am I doing?

829
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: Who am I?

830
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: Like?

831
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: Who is this fucking character that I've created? Like I

832
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: don't even know who I am? You know, Like I've

833
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: been drunk my entire adult life. I've been on the

834
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: road continually, you know, and like I had just start

835
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: figuring some stuff out. Man. It's so yeah, COVID hit

836
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: forced time home, man, and really a lot of introspection

837
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,959
Speaker 1: at that. And then last couple of years, I hadn't

838
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: been drinking so at all. No, not at all, well,

839
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: no nothing, not a drop man. So you know, just

840
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: just taking care of clearing out some bandwidth, you know,

841
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: trying to grow up, and our parents are getting older.

842
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: We lost my father in law last August, so uh,

843
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, we're focusing on my wife's side of family

844
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: and my side of the family a little bit more

845
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: and raising the kids up and.

846
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 5: Just not touring as much.

847
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 4: Did you have concerns that if you didn't drink you

848
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 4: wouldn't be the same.

849
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

850
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: It was a weird thing because when I was a kid,

851
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: I remember watching an interview with George Jones and here,

852
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: and I remember him talking about when he quit drinking,

853
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: he goes, I didn't think I could walk on stage

854
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 1: without it. I had to learn how to do everything over.

855
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: I took my first sober plane ride when I was

856
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: forty three. I did everything. I did everything over it.

857
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: I had to learn how to walk again. I had

858
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: to learn how to talk again. I had to learn

859
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: how to do everything I'd learned to write.

860
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 5: At the height of your drinking, what we're drinking and

861
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 5: how much to day.

862
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: The height of my drinking, I was drinking a bottle

863
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: of whiskey and a twelve pack of beer golly every day.

864
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 5: Could you still get drunk?

865
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh yeah, I'd be hammered.

866
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

867
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: At what point of the day i'd be hammered by?

868
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: I'd be hammered by five or six.

869
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 5: Were you completely functioning? Yes? Functional?

870
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

871
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 5: Did it feel like if you weren't drunk you wouldn't

872
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 5: be as functional? Yes? Because that was.

873
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: That's what addicts do though, Yeah, that's that, that's the

874
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: attic thing. That's like, No, I didn't know if I

875
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: could do without it, and then you know it's like, well,

876
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: doing with it is really starting to screw things up, dude.

877
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 5: You know, did you have with draws when you start drinking?

878
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

879
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, night sweats and about for how long.

880
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: I had night mayors And I really had really bad

881
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: sweats for the first week, and then night mayores went

882
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: on for a couple of weeks, and then I started

883
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: sleeping really well.

884
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: And you'll hear you'll hear addicts.

885
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: Talk about that, like you'll as we like, you're sleeping better,

886
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: and you'll know when somebody's kind of turned that corner,

887
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: because you know, that's something that starts happening. Your natural

888
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: your chemicals start to rebalance.

889
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 4: My So I tricked with my mom and rehab a

890
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 4: few times, and I don't know, my dad a biological

891
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 4: day left when I was five six, and my mom

892
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 4: was an attic and from a very small rural town.

893
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 3: So it was meth.

894
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 4: It was it was it was all alcohol is weird.

895
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 4: It was everything, but the meth. That's that was the

896
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 4: big getter. Yeah, and then opioids because they were so

897
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 4: easy to get and so cheap to get, so and

898
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 4: then it would turn into mouthwash. Right, it was anything

899
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 4: with alcohol, sure, So multiple times I would check my

900
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 4: mom in, but she could easily check herself out because

901
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 4: it wasn't a hold, and she would constantly check herself out,

902
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 4: and I would be upset and I wouldn't understand. I

903
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 4: really wouldn't understand, and she ended up dying. She was

904
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 4: forty six years old. She had me when she was sixteen,

905
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 4: so uh, not the easiest life obviously, and so what

906
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: I remember she died, and I remember being so angry

907
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 4: at her all the time. And I had some issues

908
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: happened to me PTSD wise where I got PTSD wise,

909
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 4: where I got jumped at work, I got pistol whipped

910
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 4: at a event once I was doing I'm a house

911
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: broken into So all this stuff had happened, and the

912
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: doctor said, hey, I wasn't sleeping at all, and we

913
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 4: tried all these things. I'm so scared to be an addict.

914
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 4: I'm scared to take anything because of that history with

915
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 4: my mom and not knowing my dad, and so I'm

916
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 4: I don't like to take medicine much less take anything

917
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: that will possibly hook me. Right, I feel the addict

918
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 4: in me and other things. It doesn't matter what I do.

919
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 5: I feel it.

920
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 4: So we went for like a year a week experimental

921
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 4: with things, and finally he was like, hey, look you're

922
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 4: gonna be You're getting sick because you're not sleeping. Because

923
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 4: I wasn't sleeping at all, and so I took a

924
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 4: sleeping pill and I took it for like two or

925
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 4: three months, but I found myself tethered to it, and

926
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 4: I'm hyper aware of it. And I try not to

927
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 4: say addicted, because I've seen real addiction and I don't

928
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 4: think I was addicted, but I was.

929
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 5: I was very dependent.

930
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 4: And I just stopped taking it one day and I

931
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 4: had some minor withdraws and like my eyes were black,

932
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: not physically, but like I would open them and it

933
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: was still black, and I would sweat and it was

934
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 4: very minor. And I remember going through that small, small withdraws,

935
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 4: and it gave me the greatest understanding, except I had

936
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 4: no idea of what my mom went through because her

937
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: was a thousand times worse. And it was the only

938
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: time in my life that I or it was the

939
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 4: first time that I actually went.

940
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: I get it.

941
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 4: I get why she couldn't quit because it had to

942
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 4: be hell for her who was basically addicted to anything

943
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 4: and everything. And my tiny dependence on sleeping pills and

944
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 4: the tiny withdraw that I had hurt me physically so

945
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 4: bad that I related to my mom more in that

946
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 4: situation because I didn't really have a real relationship with

947
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 4: her than any other time while.

948
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: She was alive. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, And.

949
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 4: That's why I ask about that with the withdraws. If

950
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 4: that's if physically you know it hurt you after that

951
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: long of drinking that significant.

952
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's no, that's incredible. That's that you that you

953
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: that you felt that.

954
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 4: And I'm proud and I love that I felt it, even.

955
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: Though I was gonna say, man, I'm kind of.

956
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 4: Glad you went through me too, Yeah, because I think

957
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 4: it would have just been misplaced anger instead. Now it's

958
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 4: a more of an empathetic understanding.

959
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: Empathy is the word.

960
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: It's a bit of perspective and perspective. We never get

961
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: perspective because we want it. No, I mean, that's a

962
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 4: tool that we get because we didn't want to have

963
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 4: to earn it.

964
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 5: But once you have it, it's so valuable. We don't

965
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 5: want to have We only get perspective. It's crap happening.

966
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: That's real life stuff, man, that is that is real stuff.

967
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 8: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

968
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 8: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

969
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 5: You ever talked to artists about that?

970
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 4: New artists about role all the time, all the time,

971
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 4: Because I want to hear from somebody and I don't

972
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 4: I'll tell you a story.

973
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: I want it. I don't want to go to it.

974
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 4: By the way, if I talk to somebody about marriage,

975
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 4: I want to talk to somebody who's been through some crap.

976
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like my wife and I went to there.

977
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 4: But I want to go to somebody wh's been married,

978
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 4: been through some crap.

979
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 5: I don't want.

980
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 4: I didn't want to go to a preacher but who's

981
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 4: never had an issue or a priest who's never been married,

982
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 4: because I want to hear how hard it is and

983
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 4: what you went through and lead the artists come to

984
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 4: you for the same.

985
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely tell me a sorry.

986
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 3: I'll tell you two.

987
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: I'll tell you two young guys.

988
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 2: That one is Jake Worthington.

989
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: We played the Grand Ole Offre together a few months

990
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: ago and his little.

991
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: Baby, Whitley, his little baby girl, Whitley was.

992
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: And his wife were in the dressing room, and it

993
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: meant the world to be the day. And I had

994
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: my wife and kids with me and we went to

995
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: their dressing room and said how to his family, and

996
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: he called me soon there after he said, I want

997
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: you to know how much that meant. You know to

998
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: me and my wife, it can be done in this business.

999
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 5: You know, to see you and.

1000
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: Your grown kids and my wife and I've been together

1001
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: twenty eight years and that it can be done.

1002
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 3: Said, absolutely, it can be.

1003
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 2: Done, buddy, I said, it takes a lot of work.

1004
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: And your wife's going to go through as much as

1005
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: you do because you're going through it. So remember that,

1006
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, just just and so things like that that

1007
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: happened a few months ago. Played a festal with Bailey'

1008
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: Zimmerman the other day. He's one of those guys that

1009
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: I met him. I was like, I could not help

1010
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 1: but like the guy same and he has a ball

1011
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: of energy.

1012
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 2: He's twenty five years old. He's a young man.

1013
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: And I got to spend about fifteen or twenty.

1014
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: Minutes with him, which was mostly Bailey.

1015
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: Talking about his his ride up, his rocket ship up,

1016
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, and he's he's got a really great foundation morally.

1017
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: And at the end of the conversation, you know, I guess,

1018
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: just being one of the older guys, now, I was like, dude,

1019
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, I said, you know, he's got faith in

1020
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: the Lord. I said, just keep putting God first, man,

1021
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: I said, I said, do that and stay true to yourself.

1022
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm gonna be pulling for him, man,

1023
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: you know, because that guy's having everything thrown at him,

1024
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: so you know, to see somebody on his end of it.

1025
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: And that meteoric thing.

1026
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: You know, what a ride, what a case of whiplash

1027
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: you must have from that, you know, I am going

1028
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: to pull for him. I like the guy, you know,

1029
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: put the Lord first. Keep doing that, young man. And

1030
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: then you know, Jake On like, hey man, newly married,

1031
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: new kid, it can be done.

1032
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's it's good.

1033
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: I guess I kind of wanted to be one of

1034
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: the guys that could look at the younger guys and say,

1035
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's might not be the exact right way

1036
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: to do it, but.

1037
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: You're trying.

1038
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying, and I'm glad we get to

1039
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: talk about things like that.

1040
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 4: Bailey's interesting because Bailey and I have similar backgrounds, and

1041
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 4: when Bailey came to town. You're right, he has been

1042
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 4: on a rocket at times and wo but can be

1043
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 4: unfair to the kid because he knew how to sing.

1044
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 4: But he did know how to sing, and I think

1045
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 4: someone like you would know. You grind it out night

1046
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 4: after night after night. You learn how to sing regardless

1047
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 4: of the situation. If you're feeling good, you're feeling bad,

1048
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 4: if you're sleepy, if you're drunk, if you had a

1049
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: bad day, wivee's Matt, you have to learn how to

1050
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 4: do it. He's a kid on massive stages, does not

1051
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 4: know how to sing. Yet he knows how to sing,

1052
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 4: but he doesn't know how to He didn't know. You

1053
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 4: couldn't run it. You couldn't go running back and forth

1054
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 4: on like the cat walked out whatever that thing is called,

1055
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 4: and have breath. So so people have videos of I'm

1056
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 4: like sucking and I'm like, dude, you know, the difference

1057
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 4: is that everybody else they got to come up smaller

1058
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 4: to bigger.

1059
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 3: That's the record labels. I don't you know.

1060
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 2: I say this all the time, and I've said it

1061
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: recently interview.

1062
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't man the artists or the artists, the record

1063
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: labels or the record labels. That's I never dog artists, man,

1064
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: I never, there's I don't care if I like your

1065
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: music or not. That's things like that are the fault

1066
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: of the record company.

1067
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, the people looking out for him, for sure.

1068
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: You know. And that's something that I tell people a lot.

1069
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: I learned how to play for five people, man, not

1070
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: five hundred, not five thousand. I learned how to play

1071
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: in front on a Tuesday night in a smoky ass barroom,

1072
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: trying to keep If you can keep five people interested

1073
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday night in a codunk bar for four hours,

1074
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: you can keep fifty thousand people interested for ninety minutes,

1075
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: you know. And that's in what a crash course in

1076
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: learning all that that young man has had.

1077
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 5: Were you ever resemful that people wanted to talk to

1078
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 5: you now.

1079
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: Like young artists, no, like or just anybody.

1080
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 5: Let's just use me as an example.

1081
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I would have known about you had your

1082
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 4: music not started to come to me through friends. Yeah,

1083
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 4: And they would have known about you had to not

1084
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 4: started to road to a place that was larger than

1085
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 4: what and excuse the term of your cult following was

1086
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 4: and so at times I'll get a request to do

1087
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 4: a big interview or something, and I'm like, you only

1088
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: want to talk to me, Like I'm popping off right now

1089
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 4: for a specific reason. You didn't want to talk to

1090
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 4: me when things weren't and now I have this weird resembment.

1091
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 4: But I'm like, why am I resemful? Like I've been

1092
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 4: working hard to get people to want to Did you

1093
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 4: ever have that time where you're like, of course, now

1094
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 4: people want to talk to me, why they want to

1095
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 4: talk to me three years ago?

1096
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: No, I had such a bad attitude for so long.

1097
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 5: I didn't, dude.

1098
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: I went through like a five year period where I

1099
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: didn't really do any interviews, like not maybe one or two,

1100
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: just because I felt like it. There's a vast, a

1101
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: vast section of my career that there's just no interviews. Man,

1102
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: I just didn't do them because I didn't want to.

1103
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't want I was in a bad mood.

1104
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: I guess I was always on the road, so anytime

1105
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: off the road, when I was on the road, I

1106
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: didn't want to do interviews because I was just tired

1107
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: of being on the road all the time, and then

1108
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: I'd get off the road and it's like, I don't

1109
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: want to do them at home. I'm at home, so

1110
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: I just I didn't. I was like, have him come

1111
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: to a show, and right about that, you know. But

1112
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: now it's so much more a part of my job

1113
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 1: because we're twouring thirty five to fifty dates a year

1114
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: now and that's it. And so I have the bandwidth

1115
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: for it now and.

1116
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 5: The patience for it, and.

1117
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: Just things are better in my own head now, and

1118
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: I do like to I do enjoy sitting down like

1119
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: this and talking shop and things of that nature. Yeah,

1120
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: just things change, you know, older, and I'm yeah, probably

1121
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: a little bit softer of a human, little more softer

1122
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: of a human than.

1123
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 5: I used to be. Think COVID force that, Yeah, a

1124
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 5: lot of it did.

1125
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: It was really weird, as bad as it was, and

1126
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: I would never hope wish for it again. Like I said,

1127
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: you know, it really started the process where I started

1128
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: to get to know myself and get to know my

1129
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 1: family better.

1130
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: And but here's here's a funny thing.

1131
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: When COVID hit, we'd been on the road, on the road,

1132
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: on the road, on the road. We panicked, like everybody

1133
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: else did, and there was a lot of bands that

1134
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: lost everything, like people stopped getting paid, crew stopped.

1135
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 5: Getting paid, everybody.

1136
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: Honestly, when COVID hit, we got about two months in

1137
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: and nobody band, crew, nobody missed a paycheck. We knew

1138
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: we were gonna be fine. I didn't realize how much

1139
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: money we had in the bank.

1140
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 5: I had no dude.

1141
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: It sounds funny to say this, and it's not like

1142
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: it was ten million dollars in the bank or whatever.

1143
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't, but I had no idea how much money

1144
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: we did have in the bank, and that like, we

1145
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,479
Speaker 1: were fine and nobody missed a paycheck, and then coming

1146
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: out on the other side, it was like, we don't

1147
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: have like we don't have to work as much.

1148
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 5: We don't have we work.

1149
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: As hard always we always work hard, but we don't

1150
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: have to work as much. And I might not to

1151
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: learn that lesson as quickly without COVID.

1152
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 5: Who are your favorite for artists? Mount Rushmore All Time.

1153
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: Answered a similar question to this recently, and I had

1154
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: kind of two answers. If you had to put your if, like,

1155
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: if we're just looking at the founding fathers, you know,

1156
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: obviously I think you'd have to put Jimmy Rogers, Hank Williams,

1157
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: Lefty Frizelle, and then just because he's the best that

1158
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: God ever created, Merle Haggard. But I'm just gonna say

1159
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: that as as country music historian Cody.

1160
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: My personal favorite. What did I say?

1161
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: I said it would oh, h Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash,

1162
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: Willie Nelson, and George Strait.

1163
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 4: Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, George Straight. Hey, you

1164
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 4: got two of the highwaymen there.

1165
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1166
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 5: How about ever see that show?

1167
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, one of the funniest things ever.

1168
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: I did a show with Chris Christopherson no way, Yeah,

1169
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: six or seven years ago, and we're standing in the

1170
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: green room and Chris and Lisa, his wife, were so

1171
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: cool and so gracious with their time, and Chris was

1172
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: just in there drinking beer with everybody, and my dad

1173
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: walks up to Chris Krosto. My mother's I've never seen

1174
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: my mother swoon. My mother swooned when Chris Christofferson walked

1175
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: in the door. And my dad walks up to Chris

1176
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: Christopherson and goes, hey, Chris, how about you call?

1177
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 3: Will you up and me and you and Willie get

1178
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 3: the highway back together.

1179
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 9: And it's one of the only times in my career

1180
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 9: I really remember looking over and goes, oh shit, and

1181
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 9: Chris looks over, and I don't know if Chris heard him.

1182
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 3: Ride or didn't hear him ride or whatever, but it

1183
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 3: just was just because.

1184
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 5: That's the perfect response to that.

1185
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know if he heard him misunderstand

1186
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: because Chris was like have deaf at the time, anyone almost.

1187
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 5: It was funny.

1188
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 4: That is funny that guy Rhodes scholar. Yeah, veteran, like

1189
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 4: and not just a veteran, but like legit. Yes, yes,

1190
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 4: great actor, Yeah great, I mean he wrote me and

1191
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 4: Bobby McGhee, Yeah, aside from other songs. But he really

1192
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 4: doesn't really get the credit for that because Jannah Shchoplin,

1193
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 4: you know, is the one who made that song famous.

1194
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 5: Like he did it, he did it all.

1195
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sunday Morning coming Down.

1196
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I don't know if there's a more

1197
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 4: multi dimensional It was also great looking too. It's like

1198
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 4: it's just weird that he had everything God and not

1199
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 4: that he didn't earn everything.

1200
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm not joking, man, Like he was eighty three whenever

1201
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: we did a show with him years ago.

1202
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 2: And like the dude looked good then.

1203
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 5: Yeah he was.

1204
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. He was the whole package.

1205
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: Just brilliant, handsome, funny.

1206
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1207
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 5: I didn't know that part of him, you know, like

1208
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 5: just I don't know any part of him.

1209
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 2: Quick quit man, you know, just man.

1210
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 4: Just yeah, was in a Starsborn, right, Mike, Yeah, the

1211
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 4: second that not the very very first one, but the

1212
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 4: second one was Barbara Barbara.

1213
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it.

1214
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 3: He did it all.

1215
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he was Jennifer Lopez.

1216
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1217
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 5: Hey, he walked so she could run. That's what I say.

1218
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: He was. He was. He was awesome.

1219
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: He was awesome, and uh, it was so nice being

1220
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: able to It was me and him and Ward Davis

1221
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: on that Bill and Ward got out and did Bobby

1222
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: McGee with him.

1223
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 3: That's really that was.

1224
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: That was to watch, and I got up and did

1225
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: Sunday Morning Coming Down with him, and it was just

1226
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: so special man being able to do that, because he's

1227
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: one of those guys, he's one of the greatest we've

1228
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: ever had. And now people are like, man, you got

1229
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: to play with Christopherson, right, And I'm like, well, as

1230
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: a matter of fact.

1231
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: I did, you know.

1232
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: It's like I get to tell some cool stories.

1233
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 4: I want to ask about the record, speaking of you

1234
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 4: and Ward Davis wrote Monster together. Yeah, And I think

1235
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 4: that's just because a lot of the I'll say a

1236
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 4: lot a lot of songs wrote by yourself, but you and

1237
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 4: Ward wrote that one together. What about that song stood out?

1238
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: That was the last song we wrote on the record. Actually,

1239
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: the band was doing pre production for the record, and

1240
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: Ward came to Colorado where we were hold up working

1241
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: and just stayed with us for about a week and

1242
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: Ward and I wrote and we ended up writing that song,

1243
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: and so that song was the last edition that song.

1244
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: Ward and I both gave up drinking, so for us,

1245
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: that song was talking about it. The thing about that song, though,

1246
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: is I had when we wrote that song, I wanted

1247
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: a female to sing it. I thought that that would

1248
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: be a great song for a female to sing and

1249
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: maybe the monster, you know. I was thinking kind of

1250
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: a maybe a a woman being done wrong, like a

1251
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: domestic violence kind of thing, like there's this monster she

1252
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: keeps letting back in because so often that's the trend

1253
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: with with scenarios like that.

1254
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: So I had that picture kind of painted.

1255
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,479
Speaker 1: And Josh, our bass player and producer, he was like, dude,

1256
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: you got to sing that song, and Ward was like, dude,

1257
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: you got to sing that song. And so everybody's got

1258
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: a monster, and monsters are real and they're they're out

1259
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: there and everybody's as different. And I think that that's

1260
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: what's kind of cool about that song. It's got such

1261
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: a swing in almost disco kind of chorus. It's really weird.

1262
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those ones you want to

1263
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: dance to, but the words are really heavy, so it's

1264
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: it's it's really strange in that regard, but yeah, it's

1265
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: kind of a what's Your monster?

1266
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 4: Lived in Texas for twelve thirteen years, lived in Austin,

1267
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 4: and so growing up in Arkansas, I wasn't I didn't

1268
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 4: know much of the Texas music scene. When you live

1269
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 4: in Austin, you are quickly baptized into the Texas music scene.

1270
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 4: And that's where I learned of Ray Willy Hubbard.

1271
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.

1272
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 5: You him and your Tennessee jet.

1273
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, talk about that song for a second.

1274
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 5: The others.

1275
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 3: It was so cool.

1276
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: I was playing a festival in Oklahoma and Ray was

1277
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: on that festival, and TJ came. TJ and I've written

1278
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: so many songs together. I mean, probably that's.

1279
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 5: What you call Tennessee Jet TJ.

1280
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 3: TJ.

1281
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, his name's Thomas Thomas James McFarland. And that's not

1282
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: a secret. I'm not giving anything away.

1283
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 5: But his social Security number is yeah, his social is.

1284
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 3: He lives in.

1285
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: He came to see me that day because he was

1286
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: he lives not far from where that festival was, and

1287
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: I was like, man, yeah, of course he's going to

1288
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: get up and do some songs with me.

1289
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 2: And he knows Ray better than me.

1290
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: I met Ray for the first time twenty plus years ago,

1291
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: but Ray and I hadn't seen each other reconnected since then.

1292
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: And he said, hey, let's go say how to Ray.

1293
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: So he calls Ray up. He said, hey, I'm over

1294
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: at Jinks and this and that. So we ended up

1295
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: going over to Ray's bus and hanging out with Ray.

1296
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: And Ray is the coolest guy in music, just in

1297
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:24,439
Speaker 1: a genre, just the coolest, coolest human ever. And he's

1298
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: just such a nice and sweet and kind and generous man.

1299
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 5: And he said, well, you know, guys, I think.

1300
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 3: Maybe we ought to.

1301
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: Try to write one and that's all we needed to hear.

1302
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: So TJ just that day ended and TJ starts a

1303
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: text threat between me and him and Ray and t

1304
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: The whole song happened on a text message. TJ goes, hey, guys,

1305
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: what do you think about this? Bam, there's the first verse.

1306
01:00:53,000 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: Ray fires right back with the second verse. I was like,

1307
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: what do you guys think about this? For a chorus,

1308
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: and then TJ goes, oh, what about this for the

1309
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: last verse. So it was TJ, Ray, me, TJ and

1310
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: we really didn't change anything, and it happened just like

1311
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: it was one of the strangest It just happened, I

1312
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: guess because it was supposed to and it was too

1313
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: cool not to happen. That's how we wrote that song.

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Speaker 1: We just filmed the video for it two days ago

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Speaker 1: in Chattanooga, and we had all kinds.

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Speaker 5: Of people out there.

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Speaker 1: We had cowboys and freaks and goths and punks and

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Speaker 1: business people all in the video and just fire breather

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Speaker 1: and people swinging from stunt people swinging from sandaliers, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's because it's a song for the fans,

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Speaker 1: and we're singing for everybody out there, and it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a love song to the fans,

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Speaker 1: hippies and cowboys.

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Speaker 5: Tour all the way until the end of the year.

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Speaker 4: You're also doing the acoustic shows with Ward Davis, and

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Speaker 4: I mean, for the most part, they can just go

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Speaker 4: to your socials.

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Speaker 5: You got all the dates up there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean it's the easiest thing to say now, just it's

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Speaker 1: all on the all on the socials.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: Everything. I've really enjoyed this. Thanks for giving me an hour.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the hour. I appreciate it. And uh yeah,

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Speaker 2: a great way to button up the trip.

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Speaker 5: I'm when do you go home?

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Speaker 3: Now? From here? From here?

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Speaker 2: From here, I'll be on an airplane in a couple

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Speaker 2: of hours, and so I'm I'm about to go to

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Speaker 2: about to go to.

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Speaker 1: The airport and and uh head back to the head

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Speaker 1: back to the DFW area.

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Speaker 5: Well, listen, I really enjoy as a person.

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Speaker 2: Thank you likewise, man, I really.

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Speaker 5: I used to be.

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Speaker 4: I'm scared of you still maybe like one person still

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Speaker 4: scared because you know, you know, you could stab me

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Speaker 4: at anytime, and I'd be like, yep.

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Speaker 5: I thought so. But other than that, like, I really

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Speaker 5: like hanging out with Thank you much.

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Speaker 2: I really, honestly, Bobby, I didn't want to like you.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad you said it.

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Speaker 3: Really.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I didn't want I agree, And now it's kind

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Speaker 9: of like step brothers, you know, It's like, now it's like,

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Speaker 9: did we just become friends?

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Speaker 3: Actually?

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Speaker 1: So no, thank you so much for your time and

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Speaker 1: all the best. And I think that our story is

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Speaker 1: probably parallel with one another, probably far more than either one.

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Speaker 5: Of us realized. That's so funny.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, you guys, go at Cody Jink's new album

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Speaker 4: July twenty fifth, in My Blood, really appreciate the hour.

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Speaker 4: Have safe trip home, and next time you're in town,

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Speaker 4: let's do it again and talk about how we can't

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Speaker 4: believe we like each other.

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Speaker 1: I know, you know what, we might as well because

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Speaker 1: these keep getting better.

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Speaker 5: I'll grow the beard, you wear the card again.

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Speaker 1: We'll be all, yeah, I'm turning over all kinds of

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Speaker 1: leaves man.

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Speaker 5: All right, there he is Cody Jinks.

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Speaker 8: Everybody, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production