1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: While we're spending time with family this holiday season and 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: Buck is stuck in a sound booth. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: Recording his new book. You can listen to us on 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: the podcast. 5 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 3: Play Don't Rub It In But That's right. Just fire 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 3: up the iHeartRadio app and kick back with the Sunday 7 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 3: Hang guaranteed laughs. Or check out any of our other 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 3: great hosts in the Clay and Buck podcast network. 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: There's so much content you won't even miss. 10 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 3: Us, but we'll miss you and look forward to speaking 11 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 3: with you again in the new year. 12 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: Until then, Shield time and welcome to the Clay and 13 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: Buck Show. I am Brett Whitable, sitting in for Clay 14 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: and Buck. So grateful to have this time with each 15 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 2: and every one of you. Very exciting. If you don't 16 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: know who I am, typically you will hear me over 17 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: at WBT in Charlotte, North Carolina. It is a pleasure 18 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: to be with you. Our telephone number. Everything is fair 19 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: game eight hundred eight two two eight eight two. As 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: we look at this incredible report that we got from 21 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: uh the economy right, We've got we've got an unbelievable 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: opportunity for growth, and people are just sitting back saying, 23 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: wait a minute, how did that happen? 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 4: Well, how did it happen? 25 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: It took a lot of work, It took a lot 26 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: of effort, It took a lot of all that sort 27 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: of stuff. Not only are we looking at a really 28 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: nice economy getting ready to bloom as we get into 29 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, but what if I told you we 30 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 2: have astronauts suiting up for their journey to the moon. Now. Admittedly, 31 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: when I was looking at this story, by the way, 32 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: Merry Christmas to everybody. As I was looking at this storyline, 33 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: I was saying to myself, wait a minute, Wait a minute. 34 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: I remember when we used to send rockets out into 35 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: space and then you would have people landing on the moon. 36 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: But I guess we have become so so cautious that 37 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: we don't really try to do that kind of stuff anymore. 38 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: But now we are. So we've got a banging economy, 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: and we've got people going to their journey to the moon. 40 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: But it's not the kind of journey to the moon 41 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: that you might think about. Astronauts are suiting up for 42 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 2: their journey to the moon. The countdown is on. If 43 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: all goes according to Plan four, astronauts are set to 44 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: become the first humans to travel past the confines of 45 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: our planet gravity well to the Moon in over half 46 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: a century. NASA is hoping to launch its Artemis two 47 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: mission a mere two months from now, two months earlier 48 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: than originally planned, by launching the four individuals on board 49 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: in Orion spacecraft mounted to its enormous Space Launch System 50 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: SLS rocket. The goal is not to touch down on 51 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: the lunar surface just yet, a goal that NASA has 52 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: reserved for its follow up Artemis three mission, which is 53 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: tentatively scheduled for twenty twenty seven, but it's nonetheless a 54 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: daring feat. The Artemis two crew will be flying around 55 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 2: the Moon and back in an enormous arc. No no, no, 56 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: not an arc like Noah's arc, but in an arc 57 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: the way. They're going around to the farthest point from 58 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: Earth than any human has traveled before, including the Apollo missions, 59 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: And though drama has plagued the Artemis program, this next 60 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: mission is starting to really come into focus. Over the weekend, 61 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: NASA conducted a dress rehearsal for its scheduled February launch date, 62 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: and image shows a Canadian astronaut Jeremy Hansen and NASA 63 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: astronauts Victor Glover, Reed Weisman, and Christina Koch dressed up 64 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: in their bright orange Orion suits. According to the Space Agency, 65 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: the countdown demonstration tests simulated what will go down on 66 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 2: launch day itself, including donning the suits and climbing in 67 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: and out of the spacecraft. However, the SLS rocket is 68 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: not on the launch pad yet, which forced the crew 69 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: to board inside the NASA Space Center Vehicle Assembly Building, 70 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: that famous place that you've seen so many times. Now, 71 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 2: it remains to be seen if the SLS will roll 72 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: out of the pad at Launch Complex thirty nine B, 73 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: which played a key role in the Apollo program, But 74 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: the Orion was already stacked on the SLS in October 75 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: inside the building, allowing astronauts to conduct the rehearsal. So 76 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: this is us going back to space in a substantial way. 77 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: It's an enormous and highly complex task, but with enormous payoff. 78 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: The last time humans were anywhere near the Moon was 79 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: during NASA's Apollo seventeen mission, which launched just over fifty 80 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: three years ago. See, we as a country have been 81 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: told that we can't do important things, big things, and 82 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 2: I'm not talking just about military stuff or wars. Or 83 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: things like that. I'm talking about us being the top 84 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: of the pile. This is an important point when we 85 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: decide that we want to go and chase these sorts 86 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 2: of things and we are able to actually carry it out. 87 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: Everybody in the country feels that accomplish for a long time. 88 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: And I don't want to make everything political, but for 89 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 2: a long time we've been told we can't do things, 90 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 2: that it's impossible, it's too hard. It's just it's one 91 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: of those things where people say, well, you don't have 92 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: to quit so easily, you don't have to stop so early. 93 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: Just try to do these big things. When we achieve 94 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: big things, the rest of the world looks at us, 95 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: we are leaders. What you saw between the period of 96 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: two thousand and nine and the Trump presidency in that 97 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: first term, what you saw was an administration in Obama 98 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: Biden that did not want to do great things. They 99 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: wanted to just be thought of as just another country, 100 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 2: just another person. When you go back to that time, 101 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: you'll remember the famous line in which President Obama said, well, 102 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: we are the exception, but the Greeks are exceptional, and 103 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: the Turks are exceptional, and the Europeans are exceptional. He 104 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: didn't even understand this teacher of law, did not even 105 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: understand that the exception was the founding of our constitutional republic, 106 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: that we could do great things, that we had the 107 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: ability to be the first country that was talking about 108 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: freedom and liberty and charting our own courses. The President 109 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: of the United States did not even understand that basic concept. 110 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: And then Donald Trump, who talked to us in a 111 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: way that said, we need to do big things, great things, 112 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: important things, until we ran into COVID and Joe Biden 113 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: came to the White House and told us and scolded 114 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: us and said to us that we are not that great. 115 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: We cannot do big things, We cannot pull anything in 116 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: any way or shape or form. What we are are 117 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: just another cog in the gear. That is not what 118 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: this country is predicated on. This country is predicated on 119 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: coming to this continent, taming the continent when it comes 120 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: to building crops, building buildings, buildings, universities, building all of 121 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: these things, working hard and being able to be remunerated 122 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: for that, all of that sort of stuff. And we 123 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: became the number one place in the entire world that 124 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: people wanted to come and see us, to be with us, 125 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: to understand what it is that we are capable of doing. 126 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 2: And for a number of years we've hidden our lamp 127 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: under a basket. Our lamp is now shining brightly to 128 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: people in our country and around the world. Normally I 129 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 2: wouldn't pay so much attention about the idea of going 130 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: back to space. But we were the people who did it. 131 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: We were the people who achieved it. We are the 132 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: people who looked and said we are going there. In 133 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: the words of JFK, this is what's important to be 134 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: back on top, not holding people back, but leading the 135 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: way for the future. And you and I both know 136 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: we have that ability to do that. We have that 137 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: ability to return. This country is made up of so 138 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: many different people, with so many different backgrounds. It's nearly 139 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: a guarantee that we would find people who were brilliant 140 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: enough to be able to put these things together in 141 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: the right pieces in the right time. And that is 142 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: what we have inherited. But we must not sit on 143 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 2: our on our accomplishments. We must always understand that we 144 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: can go farther and better. I'm Bret Wooable in for 145 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: Clay and Buck eight hundred and two A two two 146 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: eight a two back after. 147 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: This Patriots radio hosts a couple of regular guys, Clay 148 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: Travis and Buck. Sext to find them on the free 149 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. 150 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: And welcome back on Brett woittable in for Clay and 151 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: Buck eight two two eight a two. Let's grab a 152 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: couple of calls here and we'll see what's on people's minds. 153 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: Let's go out and talk to Diane in California. Diane, 154 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: welcome to the Clay and Buck Show. What's on your mind? 155 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 5: Well, thank you so much. I appreciate the opportunity to 156 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 5: speak my mind. Sure, i'd I'd like to comment on 157 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 5: the recent school shooting. I believe that gun free zones 158 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 5: have been an abject failure and that as a deterrent, 159 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 5: I think that all teachers and people in the public 160 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 5: should be required to carry non lethal firearms. I think 161 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 5: it's a deterrent and it goes to a deeper point, 162 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 5: which is these are our right guarantee to us, and 163 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 5: I think instead of posting the Ten Commandments at every 164 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 5: public building, we should post our Bill of Rights. I'm 165 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 5: sure there's a lot of Americans that don't know what 166 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 5: they are. 167 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, I think there's a few. Yes, I think 168 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 2: there's a few. Indeed, absolutely. Let me ask you a 169 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: question though, hypothetically, so you're you're advocating for something that 170 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 2: is a absolutely reasonable accommodation right where you're saying, we're 171 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: not going to make you carry guns like actual gun guns, 172 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: but you know, less than lethal uh sort of things. 173 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: Are you confident that you would not run a foul, 174 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: not not you, but the general you, that you would 175 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: run a foul of just less than lethal weaponry, because 176 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 2: I think you would see these people coming around saying, 177 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 2: we can't even do that. What would be the answer to. 178 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 5: That question, Well, I think that if if the idea 179 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 5: is that we're trying to keep people safe by having 180 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 5: gun free zones, it has proven to be unsafe and 181 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 5: criminals often stake out these places, which was in the 182 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 5: case of this recent university shooting, you know, and they 183 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 5: know that there's there's no way for anyone to defend themselves. 184 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 5: There weren't even any cameras there. So I think that 185 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 5: it is a we we have to practice our rights 186 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 5: if we were given the rights, and in a republic, 187 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 5: you have to practice the rights you were given, otherwise 188 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 5: they go away. That's that's taking away your rights to 189 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 5: just say that we have to be in these gun 190 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 5: free zones. And I think that maybe teachers and maybe 191 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 5: it should be part of their education that they learn 192 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 5: in this world that we live in now, they learn 193 00:13:55,640 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 5: to use these non lethal weapons and learn to defend 194 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 5: themselves rather than cowering. 195 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 2: I think that's a I think that's a that's a 196 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: great idea. No, No, I'm just you know, I know, like, 197 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 2: especially in a place like California, people would be like, 198 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 2: oh no. 199 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 4: We can't have any kind of a weapon. 200 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: There's no weapons allowed. Only the bad guys can have 201 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: the weapons and all that sort of stuff. And it's 202 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:26,359 Speaker 2: unfortunate because we we we determine these sorts of outcomes 203 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: and we have to deal with the blowback. That is 204 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: so common sense. And I appreciate you calling Diane a 205 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: really great idea. I think it's smart. I think it's important. 206 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: I would I would wish for everybody that we would 207 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: have the ability to protect all of our kids, all 208 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: of the kids. We should not have people coming on 209 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: the campus with with illegal firearms looking to murder people. 210 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: I mean, my gosh, all we have to do is 211 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: go back to Columbine to this moment in time, and 212 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: I mean it goes back much further than Columbine. But 213 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: when you think about these moments, this is this is 214 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: not the way the founders would have wanted it to 215 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: be in any way, shape or form. Let's go out 216 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: and talk to Gary in Pennsylvania. Gary, welcome to the 217 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: Clay and Buck Show. What's on your mind? 218 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 6: Hey, Brett, you have the opportunity to take my call. 219 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 6: Thank you, Yes, sir, So a couple quick points here. Tariffs, Yes, 220 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,359 Speaker 6: very few people recognize and you don't. 221 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 4: Hear it much. 222 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 6: A tarish are only a tool, Yep, they're They are 223 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 6: not the end game. They are a tool to get 224 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 6: to an equival place. Everyone talks about equality. That's what 225 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 6: tarisher for. 226 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: That's right, that is right. 227 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 5: Uh. 228 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 6: And then concerning the teacher, Uh, the thing out in California. Yes, 229 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 6: that's a a good example. And I don't know these teachers, 230 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 6: but I'm guessing there are quite a few liberal and 231 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 6: conservative teachers out there, and I am guessing that we're 232 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 6: talking teachers. Teachers have an agenda. Their agenda is to 233 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 6: teach students, Yeah, and to give them good role moms. 234 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 6: I think your agenda. 235 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it should not be. It never should be. It 236 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: should be the curriculum. That's what we've got to do. 237 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: We should not surrender in that regard. Coming up, we've 238 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: got Father Bill Nicholas. He's going to be joining us. 239 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about Christmas and all of the 240 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: blessings that comes along with that. I just I'm so 241 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: excited about this upcoming, Chris. I think it's gonna be 242 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: so awesome. It's going to be exciting. We're going to 243 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: feel it, and we're going to be we need to be, 244 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 2: and that is at the top of the pile in 245 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: the world, and I'm proud of it. I'm not going 246 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: to hold it back. I'm Brett Witterable. You're listening to 247 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: Clay and Buck. We're back right after this, and welcome 248 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 2: back to the Clay and Buck Show. I'm Brett Whitterable 249 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: in for Clay and Buck. Our telephone number eight hundred 250 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: two two two eight A two. It is my pleasure 251 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 2: to welcome back to the UH to the airwaves one 252 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: of my favorite people, and it is a father, Bill Nicholas, 253 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: who joins us here today the day before Christmas Eve, 254 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 2: and it's a it's a pleasure to have you on 255 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: the on the program here, father Bill, how are. 256 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 5: You doing good? 257 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 4: It's great to join you, Brett. 258 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: It's great to be with you and to uh to 259 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 2: to sort of talk a little bit about, uh, the 260 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: celebration that we are going to have on Christmas Day. 261 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: And one of the things that I was looking at, 262 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: I was looking at the different sort of iteration of 263 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: the birth of Christ, and one of the things that 264 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: stuck out to me was the notion of the birth 265 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 2: as a political act. This is a very interesting sort 266 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: of a take a thought about the notion of Jesus 267 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: being born under an imperial census and a tool of 268 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: control and taxation. 269 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 4: Uh. 270 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 2: Can you can you talk a little bit about the 271 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 2: different sort of iterations here that that that we see 272 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: in the in the birth of our of our Savior. 273 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 4: Oh sure, you're and as you know know following the 274 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 4: political news as you do, and as I try to 275 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 4: every year, we have politicians who try and attach to 276 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 4: their own particular agenda to the birth of Jesus. One 277 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 4: of my favorites is they say that that when they 278 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 4: escape to Egypt, Jesus, Very and Joseph were migrants going 279 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: from one country to another when they forget Egypt was 280 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 4: still part of the Roman Empire, and it would be 281 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 4: like moving from state to state in this country. So 282 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 4: isn't quite the connection that they're hoping to make. But 283 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 4: certainly what's included in the story of Jesus, at least 284 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 4: as it is told in the Gospel of Luke, is 285 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 4: that this occurred at a time in which the people 286 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 4: were undergoing a forced migration to the families a city 287 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 4: of origin, in Joseph's case, the city of David Bethlehem 288 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 4: to engage in a census. And of course, what good 289 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 4: is a political activity without attacks, And the implication in 290 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 4: that is there was at least one tradition. Now, to 291 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 4: be frank, the Book of Numbers begins with a census 292 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 4: of the people of God. But there was at least 293 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 4: one tradition, some tradition out there in the ancient Jewish 294 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 4: biblical understanding that only God would know the number of 295 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 4: that uncontrollable multitude. Remember, he initially told Abraham, count the 296 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 4: number of the stars if you can, or the stands 297 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 4: on the shore of the sea, and that is the 298 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 4: number that your descendants will be. And the idea is 299 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 4: that it's uncountable. And so while you still have that 300 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 4: tradition in numbers, that begins, that's why it's called the 301 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 4: Book of Numbers. It begins with a census. There was 302 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 4: also a tradition that only God would know the number, 303 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 4: and to conduct the census was highly offensive to God. 304 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 4: In case in point, on the very very last chapter 305 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 4: of the Second Book of Samuel, King David tries to 306 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 4: conduct the census and he's punished for it. And so 307 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 4: you remember things like that, and you have, Okay, Mary 308 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 4: and Joseph expecting a child, having to take this journey 309 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 4: to Bethlehem along with a lot of other people, and 310 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 4: not only would it be crowded again, no room at 311 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 4: the end. No, I would say, most likely they weren't 312 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 4: the only ones who couldn't find room, Probably not the 313 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 4: only ones who had to take refuge in a stable, 314 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 4: and probably not the only ones who had to take 315 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 4: refuge in that particular stable. But they're in the midst 316 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 4: of doing something that had a great possibility was highly 317 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 4: sacrilegious to them. You know, we have such songs and 318 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 4: I certainly am forced singing them at Christmas, such as 319 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 4: Silent Night in which all is calm, I'm not exactly 320 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 4: sure that was the case. On the night Jesus was born, 321 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 4: as Luke tells the story, I picture a city on 322 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 4: the edge, really on the edge of possibly civil unrest, 323 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 4: not you know, again, in the sittance that we would 324 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 4: see it today, the people of great resentment, that this 325 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 4: foreign pagan power is forcing them to do something that, 326 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 4: at least in some biblical portion parts would be highly offensive. 327 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 4: And then of course Mary and Joseph as she's ready 328 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 4: to give birth, and so you have a political context 329 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 4: in which this is done. And even the book of 330 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 4: the Gospel of Luke begins telling you who's the ruler 331 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 4: in Jerusalem. I believe he mentions the Roman emperor, and 332 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 4: he even tells you who the high priest is in 333 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 4: the temple at the time. So he puts it in 334 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 4: a very particular context of the rulership of the time. 335 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: What about the notion of the king of the Jews, Right, 336 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: that's got to be a direct challenge to Caesar, right, 337 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: his claim of divinity. How does how does that shake out? 338 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 5: Oh? 339 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 4: Well, that there again it takes you to another gospel, 340 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 4: and that's the Gospel of Matthew, where not so much 341 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 4: the imperial power, but certainly King Herod. The story is 342 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 4: that the Maja from the East sought the King of 343 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 4: the Jews where they would expect to find the King 344 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 4: of the Jews, and that is in the halls of 345 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 4: the Jerusalem Palace, and Herod naturally feels threatened by that. 346 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 4: But we also show a certain hint of paganism that 347 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 4: had infiltrated the people at the time. Because you look 348 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 4: at so many ancient pagan cultures, child's sacrifice is a 349 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 4: part of that ancient culture, whether it's ancient Mesopotamia which 350 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 4: Abraham got away from, which sacrifice the first born, or 351 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 4: you look at even in Native American cultures as tech cultures, 352 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 4: where you had human sacrifice in some cases child sacrifice 353 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 4: here at the beginning of Jesus life. The aftermath of that, 354 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 4: inherits efforts to destroy the child is the slaughter of 355 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 4: the innocence. And it's actually a feast day we celebrate, 356 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 4: I believe two days two or three days after Christmas. 357 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 4: We remember the celebration of the slaughter of the innocence. 358 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 4: And that certainly could be compared to what we see 359 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 4: encroaching in our society today. While we're celebrating Christmas, there's 360 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 4: a strong secularization that wants to secularize our country, and 361 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 4: we certainly our country that sees a great deal of 362 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 4: slaughter of innocence in the fact that abortion is still 363 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 4: legal in this country. Granted, Rovers's weight has been overturned, 364 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 4: but it puts it down to the states for the 365 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 4: people to decide. And some states are going one direction, 366 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 4: some states are going another. But we certainly see in 367 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 4: any nation that gets away from the Christian faith, we 368 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 4: do see children being victimized, and so you can certainly 369 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 4: see parallels to that in the Christmas story. 370 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: Visiting with Father Bill Nicholas. It's always good to talk 371 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 2: to him, a good friend of mine and a good 372 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: friend of many people who listen to him and see 373 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 2: what it is that's there. The stay becomes a sort 374 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 2: of counter kingdom power redefined from domination to vulnerability. How 375 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: does that come to be? Father? 376 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 4: Well, there we find the question of where is true 377 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 4: power to be found, at least in the eyes of God? 378 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 4: And where are we to find the presence of Christ 379 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 4: continuing even in our will today? Mother Teresa is certainly, 380 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 4: in a very extreme example, reminded us we find Christ 381 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 4: in the poorest of the poor. Pope Francis reminded much 382 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 4: of the chagrin of certain circles. Even in the Catholic Church, 383 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 4: we find Christ on the peripheries, We find Christ in 384 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 4: the outcast. Doesn't mean we compromise on church teaching, but 385 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 4: we need to look to we live, to look for 386 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 4: Christ in the people who are marginalized, in the poor, 387 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 4: and those who are would we would consider separate. And again, 388 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 4: we live in a society in which there's a great 389 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 4: deal of elitism in certain circles, and they probably would 390 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 4: find it a great a troubling notion that God isn't 391 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 4: with them as much as he is with those who 392 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 4: are not among the elites. And certainly Jesus being born 393 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 4: in a stable surrounded by animals, the first ones who 394 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 4: visit him are shepherds and not the elite members of 395 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 4: Jewish society. Again, taking that's from the Gospel of Luke. 396 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 4: The Gospel of Matthew, we have the magi not even 397 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 4: from the Jewish elite. These were astrologers who were foreigners, 398 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 4: the first in the Gospel of Matthew to offer worship 399 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 4: to Jesus. And it certainly does provide a countercultural expectation 400 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 4: to where we find Christ. Christ is to be found everywhere, 401 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 4: but where is that preference? In how it presented? In 402 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 4: that we can presume he's found in our inner circles, 403 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 4: but we're reminded that there are also other circles that 404 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 4: we do find him, and that we need to reach 405 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 4: out and the inclusive, if you will, or at least 406 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 4: mindful of our call to reach out to those who 407 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 4: are law, to those who were on the margins. 408 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: A final sort of a question for you, because I 409 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 2: always like talking to you about this. The Word became flesh. 410 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: Is that not a birth story but a creation story? 411 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 2: How has that represented their father? 412 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 4: Well, again, that takes you to another gospel, and it's 413 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 4: a gospel that doesn't have a story of the birth 414 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 4: of Jesus, but it begins very much with the incarnation. 415 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 4: And that's the Gospel of John. Just as the very 416 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 4: first words of the Book of Genesis in the beginning, 417 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 4: when God created the heavens and the earth, in the 418 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 4: Gospel of John, it starts in the beginning was the Word, 419 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 4: and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 420 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 4: And it goes on to say that everything was created 421 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 4: through that word, and then at a certain point it 422 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 4: said the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. 423 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 4: And in that word made flesh, we've seen the glory 424 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 4: of God, the glory of an only son coming from 425 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 4: the Father. And that is one of the gospels that 426 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 4: has read in the Catholic Mass, at least of Mass 427 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 4: during the day, and it's a favorite gospel of mine 428 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 4: and of deacons I've worked with who in the Catholic Mass, 429 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 4: if there's a deacon present, he reads the gospel. And 430 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 4: they always like to remind me that that's their role 431 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 4: on that day because they love reading that particular passage 432 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 4: because it speaks it in the theological sense. But not 433 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 4: only that. We look at what's mentioned in the Gospel 434 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 4: of Luke with the annunciation to marry. The Angel not 435 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 4: only tells her that she's going to give birth to 436 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 4: a child to be a savior of the world, but 437 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 4: he's going to restore the reign of David. And I 438 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 4: mentioned David earlier with the census he attempted. But in 439 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 4: the Book of Jeremiah, the family of David, right before 440 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 4: the fall and the exile to Babylon is cursed by 441 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 4: Jeremiah where he says, you know of Jack and Iiah 442 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 4: the king. He says, none of his offspring will sit 443 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 4: on the throne of David or rule any more in Jerusalem. 444 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 4: So record this man as if childless. And it's a 445 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,959 Speaker 4: dramatic moment that perhaps is overlooked a lot a lot 446 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 4: of times by in the Gospel, in the book of 447 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 4: the prophet Jeremiah. So God has cursed the family that 448 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 4: he promised would always sit on the throne. God doesn't 449 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 4: contradict himself, So how does he settle to fittle this Well? 450 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 4: In Jesus, God is now entering into the line of David. 451 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 4: And God becomes the line of David, not by blood birth, 452 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 4: but by Joseph claiming Jesus as his own. That's why 453 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 4: I don't like to refer to Joseph as the foster 454 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 4: father of Jesus. A foster father does not lend his 455 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 4: name to the child who raises. But Jesus was considered 456 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 4: a son of Joseph, of the family of David. And 457 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 4: there's where later on the Gospel, the blind man named 458 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 4: Bartimaeus what gets Jesus attention is when he cries out Jesus, 459 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 4: son of David. And so where God had cursed the 460 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 4: family of David for falling so astray right before the 461 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 4: baton of the man exile. He's so fulfilled his promise 462 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 4: to David by inserting himself into the line of David. 463 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 4: And there's where the angel says he will rule over 464 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 4: the House of Jacob forever and others reign. He will 465 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 4: have no end. Why because God is now entered into 466 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 4: the family of David and that rule will be eternal. 467 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 2: That is fantastic, That is so great in our last moment. 468 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: Where can people go and see your sermons talk about 469 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: you know, these sorts of things. Uh, where's the best 470 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: place for you to connect? 471 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 4: Well, I'm in my new assignment now in southern Indiana. 472 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 4: It's gotten to be pretty busy. Unfortunately, I haven't been 473 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 4: able to update my YouTube channel, but there's a lot 474 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 4: of archives on it as well. Yes, I have a 475 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 4: YouTube channel that's basically the FR for Father Bill Father 476 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 4: William Nicholas, and I have a website that includes a 477 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 4: regular UH podcast that I try and keep up to date, 478 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 4: and that is FR for Father F R. Bill Nicholas 479 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 4: dot com. One word and the only period is after 480 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 4: the duff before the dot com. So it is f 481 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 4: R Bill Nicholas dot com or my YouTube channel. Father 482 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 4: William Nicholas, thank thanks so much. 483 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: Would you give us a quick blessing. 484 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 4: I'd be happy to all the best for you and 485 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 4: all your listeners, and the blessing I'm whole nation, I 486 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 4: suppose as we celebrate the great center of our faith 487 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 4: as a Christian society here in the United States, and 488 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 4: mayo might God bless everybody and a name of the 489 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 4: Father and of the Son, end of the Holy Spirit. 490 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Father, We appreciate you and look forward 491 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 2: to catching up again soon. Thanks so much for being 492 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: time with us. 493 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 4: Glad to be with you. 494 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas. Let's get a break in here. 495 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: What a great conversation. I'm Brent Woittable in for Clay 496 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: and Buck. Let's let's take a. 497 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: Break saving America one thought at a time and Clay 498 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio 499 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: app or wherever you get your podcasts.