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Speaker 1: What's up? What's happening now?

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Speaker 2: This is another episode of the Beatdown Podcast. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know about y'all, but I'm still over the moon

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Speaker 2: about that thirty eight to thirty three win over the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals. I mean that touchdown to Terry McLaurin to

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Speaker 2: ice the game, just inject it into my veins. But

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have to find a new fix this week,

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Speaker 2: as the Commanders need to turn the page for Week

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Speaker 2: four and take on the Arizona Cardinals in hopes of

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Speaker 2: starting three to one for the first time since two

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Speaker 2: thousand and eleven, so well over a decade here. And

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals are a very solid team. Caler Murray is

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Speaker 2: very dynamic both in the passing game and on the ground,

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Speaker 2: and they're even a little bit fister than you might think.

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Speaker 2: So how the Commander's going to be able to take

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Speaker 2: them down? Well, that is exactly what we're going to

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Speaker 2: be discussing today. And with me, we have two more guests,

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Speaker 2: Scott Abraham from ABC seven and David Harrison from SI

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Speaker 2: dot Com making every turn.

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Speaker 1: Guys, how are we feeling this morning?

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Speaker 3: Let's go, let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm doing doing good.

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Speaker 5: Doing very excited to avenge my previously unearned defeat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna ask you that. And David, it's seven.

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Speaker 2: Am where you're right out right now, so I really

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Speaker 2: appreciate you doing this kind not it's in the early

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Speaker 2: hours of the morning out there in the desert. But yeah, David,

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Speaker 2: you you lost in week one, the first podcast of

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Speaker 2: the beat Down to Late Lewis, so you're definitely you're

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Speaker 2: definitely feeling out for revenge.

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Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, absolutely, got I got it.

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Speaker 3: Wait, who determines who wins? How do you figure that out?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm really glad you asked that, because that's exactly

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Speaker 2: what we're going to be going over next. So for

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Speaker 2: anyone who is just now listening for the first time,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be asking these guys three questions over

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Speaker 2: the next twenty five to thirty minutes or so. Won

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Speaker 2: an offense, won a defense, A more one, more of

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Speaker 2: a general ish question. These guys will be giving points

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Speaker 2: based on their and their answers, And again, you don't

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Speaker 2: need to take the points too seriously. It's you know,

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Speaker 2: what's more important is the objective information that these guys

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Speaker 2: are giving you. Because they, like everyone else on the

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Speaker 2: beat there to some of the best of what they do.

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Speaker 2: But that said, it is my podcast and I get

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Speaker 2: decide who wins and who loses.

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Speaker 1: Uh. So that's your answer, Scott.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's good thing I sent you a venmol before

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Speaker 3: this started.

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Speaker 1: Ah.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, extra incentives are always welcome over

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Speaker 2: at the Beatdown Podcast. So with all the pleasantries and

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Speaker 2: the information out of the way, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 2: get started here. And yeah, I know as much as

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Speaker 2: I love to eat my desserts. First, we are going

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Speaker 2: to start with the medicine, which means we're gonna start

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Speaker 2: with the commanders defense here. And I don't think anyone

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Speaker 2: needs to point out that it has not been the

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Speaker 2: Their last and third down converts allowed, they are near

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Speaker 2: of a lot of decent plays. It's till a chunk

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Speaker 2: either way, Like I said, not exactly what you would want.

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Speaker 2: And Scott Sin's you are new, we will start with

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Speaker 2: you first. There's a lot of things right that the

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Speaker 3: Listen, they got to stop the pass man that The

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Speaker 3: secondary has been a problem all year long, and I

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Speaker 3: Mike Evans went off, Malik Neighbors went off, Jamar Chase

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Speaker 3: Can you get pressure on the quarterback? Can you get

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Speaker 3: Joe Whitt Junior has been trying to figure out. They've

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Speaker 2: And you know, honestly, that is such a good point

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Speaker 6: right now, they're just simply not winning them enough and

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Speaker 5: You know, when there's a lot of games you can

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Speaker 4: That the coach understands this isn't good enough.

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Speaker 5: And it's not just the simple fact that my players

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Speaker 5: And I think for Joey Junior, so okay, is it

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Speaker 4: Just not doing the job, or is it they're a

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Speaker 4: Get those fixes, because who's got's point?

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Speaker 5: I think that's where improving the past defense really starts.

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Speaker 5: And to even add to that, in this game specifically,

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Speaker 4: But the problem with Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 5: Being that shortstop style quarterback is he can do it

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Speaker 5: on either side this dude has thirteen pass that's outside.

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Speaker 4: The pocket this season so far, he's completed nine of.

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Speaker 5: So it's not like a quarterback that you know, needs

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Speaker 5: do it all over the field and the best secondaries.

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Speaker 4: In the world.

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Speaker 5: If he can get out there and create five seconds

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Speaker 4: Going to get open. And that's really where this pass

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Speaker 5: Specifically, you just want to get to the quarterback, but

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Speaker 5: you also need to keep Piler in the pocket because

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Speaker 5: that's where his number goes down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: You know, it seems like if you can crash the pocket,

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Speaker 2: But Scott you also mentioned, you know, the secondary and

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Speaker 2: who is I mean, just as dynamic, if not more

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Speaker 2: that's gonna be another big challenge for them, even with

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Speaker 2: Emmanuel Forbes out there is you know, Scott, what have

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Speaker 2: You know, as they go up against a passing a

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Speaker 3: Well, Marvin Harrison Junior comes from some pretty good DNA.

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Speaker 3: His father, Marvin Harrison Hall of Famer, well did his

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Speaker 3: in college was tremendous at Ohio State, and after a

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Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison June has shown why he's going to be

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Speaker 3: one of the best receivers in the NFL for many

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Speaker 3: years because he can do it all. He has the

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Speaker 3: So it's going to be a handful for this Washington secondary.

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Speaker 3: How do you stop Marvin Harrison Junior. Maybe get a

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Speaker 3: little physical, well them cam him at the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 3: don't give him a free free release. You know, you

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Speaker 3: got to try something. Clearly, what Washington has been doing

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Speaker 3: That's why Joe Wick Junior is a defensive coordinator, That's

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Speaker 5: So you know, those are all the things I think

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Speaker 2: The Commanders are one of just four teams to have

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Speaker 2: ability to make these screens and do make some people

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Speaker 2: miss in the open space as a well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think I think there's a very

440
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Speaker 5: good possibility again when you have a when you have

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Speaker 5: a quarterback like Jaane Diagels is an extend plays.

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Speaker 4: I think that's kind of the.

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Speaker 5: Next step in the evolution of the quarterback here is

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Speaker 5: you know, and we talked about kind of going from

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Speaker 5: week one to week three, and week one, I don't

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Speaker 5: call James Daniels nervous, but I think you can tell

447
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Speaker 5: like his internal clock is certainly accelerated in the first

448
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Speaker 5: NFL game, Top Bolt defense, you know, road game, all

449
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Speaker 5: those and the certainly plays into that. And there are

450
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Speaker 5: some reads that you would like them for him to see,

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Speaker 5: anticipate and deliver on that he doesn't.

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Speaker 4: And then we two he's delivering on more of those things.

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Speaker 5: Week three, we obviously kind of see the whole thing

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Speaker 5: just just really kind of explode and you and you

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Speaker 5: really get the first glimpse that Jaden is like on

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Speaker 5: his most collided putting in.

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Speaker 4: The National Football League.

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Speaker 5: Well, the next step in that is understanding, you know,

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Speaker 5: when your first plan doesn't work out and your second

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Speaker 5: playing doesn't work out, how do you keep that play

461
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Speaker 5: a lot for your teammates to give them that third

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Speaker 5: and the fourth look, break those.

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Speaker 4: Those bonus downs as some coaches will call them after

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Speaker 4: the play the original play, who's on during the fourth?

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Speaker 4: And that's where a guy like Brian Romins can really

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Speaker 4: do a lot of damage.

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Speaker 5: And you know, we know the ability is there, right

468
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Speaker 5: We've seen it in practices at the ability to extend

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Speaker 5: the play, manipulate the defense with your athleticism and take

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Speaker 5: advantage of that is there. It's getting it up to

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Speaker 5: the full NFL speed right now that you're in the

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Speaker 5: regular season. And if that next step happens this week,

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Speaker 5: It's it's easy to try to get excited about every

474
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Speaker 5: week there being a next step for Chad and Daniels today,

475
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Speaker 5: but I think that really is that next step, and

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Speaker 5: if that happens this weekend, it's just going to unlock

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Speaker 5: another level of the Washington Comanders offense.

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Speaker 1: So Scott, real quick, before we move on to the

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Speaker 1: final question.

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Speaker 2: You bring up Lout McCaffrey's ability as a as a

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Speaker 2: Swiss army knife here, and he was a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a running back back in his college days. Do

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Speaker 2: we see possibly the first lout McCaffrey touch out of

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Speaker 2: the backfield as a runner.

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Speaker 3: Do you think why not maybe like a little wide

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Speaker 3: retiever handoff here? You just I think they have confidence

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Speaker 3: and Jerry McNichols and Brian Robinson Junior they'll get the handoffs,

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Speaker 3: but don't be surprised for maybe like a little a

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Speaker 3: little wide retiever action getting getting a little reverse action

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Speaker 3: and you don't I don't see Luke running in between

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Speaker 3: the tackles per se like McNichols and Brian Robinson Jr.

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Speaker 3: But I certainly think he can fit the mold as

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Speaker 3: being that athletic type of Swiss army knife where you

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Speaker 3: get the ball in his hand, good things usually happened.

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Speaker 3: So I think, uh, he's shown some glimpses. He's grown

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Speaker 3: and grown each and every week of making an impact

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Speaker 3: on this offense. So I think more and more as

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Speaker 3: the season goes on, and especially on Sunday, I think

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Speaker 3: they're going to get the ball in the hand the

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Speaker 3: little bit more of Luke McCaffrey.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Luke is gonna have an

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Speaker 2: interesting game because you saw a little bit more of

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Speaker 2: that with a thirty yard pass on fourth down. I

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Speaker 2: think they're starting to open him up a little bit

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Speaker 2: more and I think that's gonna be able to really

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Speaker 2: help out this offense. So final question, But you guys

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Speaker 2: are still tied dead heat heading into the last question here. Uh,

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Speaker 2: And we're gonna stick on the offense. And we've seen

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Speaker 2: how this offense has really produced. They've been the talk

511
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Speaker 2: of the league for like the last few days or

512
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Speaker 2: so with how impressive that win over the Bengals was.

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Speaker 2: You know, the first thirty eight point game they've had

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Speaker 2: since twenty twenty in Thanksgiving. It's been a long time

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Speaker 2: since we've seen since we've seen this kind of level

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Speaker 2: production from a commander's offense. But uh, David will start

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Speaker 2: with you, what do you think the next step is

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Speaker 2: for this commander's offense now that Jaden and Terry have

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Speaker 2: started to connect on these explosive plays.

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Speaker 5: It's it's the consistency in the explosive plays, right, So

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Speaker 5: we've seen already then go to the map and they

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Speaker 5: and they can they control the clock, then.

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Speaker 4: They can use that air running back, and they're willing

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Speaker 4: to use their running back.

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Speaker 5: And now we're starting to see that explosive connection come together,

526
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Speaker 5: not just for Jae and Terry, but like Fred mentioned,

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Speaker 5: Luke McCaffrey, the pride of cass Arock of Colorado.

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Speaker 4: But you need to see that more consistently. Right, So

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Speaker 4: two really big anomalies that we've seen in the last

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Speaker 4: two weeks.

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Speaker 5: A team kicking nothing but field goals and winning, and

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Speaker 5: then a team only having four explosive plays on offense

533
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Speaker 5: and not only hitting but scoring almost forty points like

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Speaker 5: that almost never happened. When you look at expected points

535
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Speaker 5: per average on drives, when you have explosive plays, that

536
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Speaker 5: expected points per average drive goes up to four point

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Speaker 5: seventy nine.

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Speaker 4: When you don't have explosive plays, that drops to one

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Speaker 4: point two.

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Speaker 5: And when you think about it, for the mand new

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Speaker 5: team that really wants to have like fixture seven drive

542
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Speaker 5: games because they want to con twelve o'clock, they want

543
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Speaker 5: to run it, they want to let us go home early,

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Speaker 5: which you reatly appreciate. Like you're talking a difference of

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Speaker 5: eighteen points potentially on drive, where you don't if you

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Speaker 5: have an entire game, which is pretty rare with no

547
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Speaker 5: explosive you're talking about an eighteen point difference there on average.

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Speaker 5: That's very, very significant, especially in the defense that's struggling.

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Speaker 4: So you love seeing the explosive connections. And just like

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Speaker 4: I just kind of talked about before, and I know

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Speaker 4: I was kind of getting into dangerous waters maybe free

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Speaker 4: answering the final question.

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Speaker 7: But the next evolution for Jade Daniels can also help

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Speaker 7: online the next evolution of this Washington Commander's offense, because

555
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Speaker 7: we've all seen again Brian Robinson take that short dump

556
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Speaker 7: off and turn it into big yards.

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Speaker 5: Well, now get that short dump off with three or

558
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Speaker 5: four members of the air zoning the Cardinals defense, chasing

559
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Speaker 5: Jade and Daniels, and now you're behind them, and I

560
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Speaker 5: don't know, two or three other receiver art defenders are

561
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Speaker 5: on the opposite side of the field because they're defending

562
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Speaker 5: routes on the other side of the tree. You've got

563
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Speaker 5: half that defense that already basically out of this play

564
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Speaker 5: for Brian Robinson Junior, and now you've got to make

565
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Speaker 5: each of that space. That's how you generate more explosive

566
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Speaker 5: than of course play action and all that stuff opening

567
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Speaker 5: up lane for these running backs. Now, I think it

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Speaker 5: is important also when we talk about the commanders having

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Speaker 5: only forest flow the plays on offense igin Cincinnati Bengals

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Speaker 5: forting to realize too, like a couple of those closes or.

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Speaker 4: Near closes, like a sixteen yard pass the Noah Brown

572
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Speaker 4: that you ball down to the four yard line or

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Speaker 4: whatever it was, like the.

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Speaker 5: Sixteen yard pass is not in the closest technically very

575
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Speaker 5: good play. And then obviously from four yards out you're

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Speaker 5: not getting explosive in either the run game or the

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Speaker 5: pass game.

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Speaker 4: So you know when we're when we're sticking strictly, you

579
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Speaker 4: can explosive. Mark. That's where those numbers come in. And

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Speaker 4: if this team can generate.

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Speaker 5: Six, seven and eight of cloth of offense to play

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Speaker 5: per game, then you can more more confidently.

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Speaker 4: I think we're expect the twenty four plus point.

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Speaker 2: Helpus, all right, Scott, same question, what is the next

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Speaker 2: phase of the Commander's offense?

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Speaker 3: A sidebar layer? And I don't think none of us

587
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Speaker 3: have talked about it yet. Let's give some flowers to

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Speaker 3: the Washington offensive line guys, because they have been really

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Speaker 3: really good pass protection, uh you know, in running the

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Speaker 3: football in the last couple of years. They've been a

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Speaker 3: storery lineup and they protect the quarterback Sam Howels the

592
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Speaker 3: most a quarterback guys. They did a tremendous job against

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati and pass per text and I think the evolution

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Speaker 3: of this offense, let's let's let's let's continue to get

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Speaker 3: nasty a little bit, build a little identity in the

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Speaker 3: trenches in that offensive lineup. Let's stick to that running game,

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Speaker 3: because the more you run the football in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: the more successful the offense usually is. And Brian Robinson

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Speaker 3: Junior went off against the Giants, had a tough game

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Speaker 3: against Cincy. I mean, had a lot of carries, but

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Speaker 3: not a lot of yards. But stick to that running game.

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Speaker 3: It'll make it much easier on Jaden Daniels as a

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Speaker 3: rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And I love the.

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Speaker 3: PLAYAB little edge PLAYAB little nastiness, take the will of

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Speaker 3: the opposing defensive line. So I think that's a big

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Speaker 3: part of this too. And Cliff Kingsbury knows what's working

608
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Speaker 3: right now for this Washington offense. They've been relying heavily

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Speaker 3: on that dynamic due all Boston Eckler and Brian Robinson Junior,

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Speaker 3: part of that duo is going to be missing on

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Speaker 3: So we talked about maybe some of the changes they

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Speaker 3: may implement. And I also want to see as this

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Speaker 3: offense evolved. In the evolution of the offenses. Jaden Daniels

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Speaker 3: as the passer. You got a glimpse of that on

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Speaker 3: Monday against the Cincinnati Bengals, that deep balls, stretching the fields.

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Speaker 3: The more and more he's gonna get comfortable of reading

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Speaker 3: defenses sitting there in the pocket. Having a clean pocket,

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Speaker 3: which was crucial on Monday, will allow him to stretch

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Speaker 3: the field more and push the ball down the field.

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Speaker 3: So I think it starts with the offensive line, to

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Speaker 3: be honest with you, guys, start with the offensive line.

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Speaker 3: The pass pro get a nice little pocket for Jane

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Speaker 3: Daniels to feel comfortable where he can stretch the field,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's gonna be all part of the process.

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Speaker 2: You know, honestly, the Commander's offensive line was expected to be,

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Speaker 2: to your point, Scott, one of one of the worst

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Speaker 2: in the league heading into the season, and I think

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Speaker 2: there's been no There's been some some hiccups here and there,

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Speaker 2: but I think mostly you haven't really heard that much

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Speaker 2: about them.

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Speaker 4: And that's what you love.

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Speaker 1: As an offensive liney.

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Speaker 2: You don't want you don't want to create two many

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Speaker 2: headlines other than the fact that they've beginning gotten great

635
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Speaker 2: production for Jayden and Daniels. All Right, So drum I

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Speaker 2: feel like I should added rumble here into this. You know, Scott,

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Speaker 2: I love the points you were bringing up, you know,

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Speaker 2: about the OFFICI line about uh, you know, Lil McCaffrey

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Speaker 2: about creating the turnovers.

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Speaker 1: But David, I gotta give you the win here.

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Speaker 2: Just no, no, I think that's look modern offenses in

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Speaker 2: the league. That's it's all about generating as supposed to plays.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's that the more you can make

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Speaker 2: it in this league, the more you you're gonna be

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Speaker 2: able to be successful and overcome a struggling defense. So David,

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Speaker 2: first win of the Beatdown you have any.

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Speaker 5: Look, and maybe I one against the big time, but

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Speaker 5: I'm now one to know against the ACC and I'll

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Speaker 5: take any time your own defeated against any any power conference.

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Speaker 3: Love that, Love it all right, guys, Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really appreciate you guys doing this.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, hopefully next week when these these you was

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Speaker 2: listening to the Beatdown podcast, we'll be talking about a

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Speaker 2: third straight win. But again, thank you, guys. Uh and

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Speaker 2: for everyone else listening, please rate, review, subscribe, and this

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Speaker 2: has been the Beatdown podcast,