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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Saga and Crystal here.

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Speaker 1: news media, and we hope to see you at Breakingpoints

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Speaker 1: dot com. At the same time, there was some extraordinary

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Speaker 1: developments in media Donald Trump's election, prompting some to think

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Speaker 1: they should just quit. One of them is HBO's Bill Maher.

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Speaker 1: You can take a listen to his reasoning.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I may quit because I don't want to

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Speaker 3: do another I did Trump, I did. I did all

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Speaker 3: the Trump stuff before anybody. I called him a con

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Speaker 3: man before anybody.

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 3: He's a mafia boss. I was the one who said

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Speaker 3: he wasn't going to con the election. I've done it.

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Speaker 3: I've seen this well.

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Speaker 5: Then, how come he's so hostile to Jimmy Kimmel and

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Speaker 5: not to you.

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Speaker 4: He's very hostile to me? Is it's about me?

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Speaker 1: Every week?

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Speaker 6: Oh really?

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, every week he accidentally watches my show and then.

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Speaker 4: Low ratings loser. Oh yeah, but I mean.

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Speaker 3: I just I'm bored with it.

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Speaker 1: So which is it? Is he bored or is he afraid?

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Speaker 2: Or is it because at another point he says, I'm

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Speaker 2: shitting my pants.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I know about Trump being back and off.

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Speaker 1: First he was, like I said it before everybody. I

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Speaker 1: called him a con man for bro they've been calling

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Speaker 1: on Jonald Trump comments. Is nineteen what nineteen seventy eight?

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Speaker 1: None of that original? What he called him cheeto, Jesus

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Speaker 1: orange man. This is not original, Like, this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: He was, if anything, he was a follower. I mean

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Speaker 1: that's how I see him, frankly, as like this neo

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Speaker 1: reactionary center left figure who's like constantly calibrating where he

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Speaker 1: can be contrarian but also be within the confines of

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Speaker 1: this like imaginary movement which doesn't exist beyond the likes

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Speaker 1: of Amy Klobajar famous clip that happened with him. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know you know the with Bill, I mean,

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Speaker 1: maybe you should retire obviously be good. He's been on

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Speaker 6: It's like, what I'm personally, at what point are.

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Speaker 1: You still adding to the conversation? And look, I know

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Speaker 1: this is meme. I like Bill Maher. I watched Religious

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Speaker 1: good work on atheism, you know, and stuff like that

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Speaker 1: in the past. But in the last Trump you know,

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Speaker 1: in the Trump years, what's been disappointing is how boring, frankly,

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Speaker 2: It's just it always comes back to the same conclusion,

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Speaker 2: Like we see that point. We've heard that point before,

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Speaker 2: and so it was funny Jane fond of being kind

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Speaker 6: He go after you?

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Speaker 2: Which I think she's correct that at this point mar

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Speaker 6: Scared of the next term.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of all of that drama, a very interesting drama

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Speaker 2: the Morning Joe people and their whole roster of regulars.

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Speaker 2: So David from apparently went on the show and made

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Speaker 2: Morning Joe Felder had to apologize for something I said.

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Speaker 2: So in any case, they were talking about Pete Hegseth

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Speaker 2: any knowledge of defense, subtract any leadership, and there is

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Speaker 2: your next Secretary of Defense for the twenty first century.

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Speaker 2: If you're too drunk for Fox News, you're very, very drunk. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: so you know, this is all kind of power for

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Speaker 6: And apparently David.

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Speaker 2: From had already been warned in his ear about like

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Speaker 2: bit earlier in this block, there was a comment made

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Speaker 2: the growing number of allegations about his behavior over the years.

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Speaker 2: The comment was a little too flippant for this moment

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Speaker 2: differences in coverage with Fox News, and that's a good

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Speaker 2: just want to say, there's a lot of good people

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Speaker 2: and we will want to leave it at that. So obviously, Saga,

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Speaker 2: They are already, you know, have already announced they're spinning

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Speaker 2: off MSNBC along with another with a bundle of other

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Speaker 2: They that this is going to be like a well

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Speaker 6: Each of them should be nice, each of them good

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're really in kind of a tailspin here,

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Speaker 7: This got turned into a column and a headline that

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Speaker 7: said that, let's say, what was the headline this sound

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Speaker 7: of fear? Now, that wasn't the sound of fear, that

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Speaker 7: was the sound of civility, and saying that Meca had apologized,

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Speaker 7: think had apologized. She simply said it was too flippant. Now,

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Speaker 7: I would recommend that if we're at the stage where

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Speaker 7: George Conway, another guy we have on the show and

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Speaker 7: we love George saying read this article. It's going to

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Speaker 7: make you very sad, but you must read it all. Oh,

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Speaker 7: because of the fearful times we're in. Well, there's some

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Speaker 7: problem with the Times that were in.

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Speaker 6: You can't be fearful.

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Speaker 7: If you can't be fearful just because some people have

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Speaker 7: said that we're fearful. Let me tell you something. You

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Speaker 7: can talk to anybody that's worked in the front office

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Speaker 7: of NBC and MSNBC over the past twenty two years.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you I'm not fearful. You knocked anybody who

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Speaker 7: fearful of leadership. The main complaint was that we call

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump's rhetorick fascist during the campaign, and then we

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Speaker 7: went down to have an offful record comment with and

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Speaker 7: guess who else does that?

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Speaker 6: Let me see from the New York Times, the New

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Speaker 2: You know what, I even think folks from the Atlantic,

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Speaker 7: Might probably do that if they have a chance to

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Speaker 7: talk on the background with the incoming president and president elect,

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Speaker 7: they do it. In fact, as somebody wrote during this

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Speaker 6: Joe, Joe, you are not a journalist.

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Speaker 2: You are a group of people who loves to just

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Speaker 6: You know, they were people.

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Speaker 2: Joe is the person who went on and was like,

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Speaker 2: I've seen all sorts of Joe Bidens. This is the

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Speaker 2: best Joe Biden I have ever seen. And if you

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And three weeks later, what happens. He's talking about

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Speaker 1: how Joe Biden needs to drop out of the incredible

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Speaker 1: He called Trump a Hitlarian fascists. That's the thing about

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Speaker 1: the from thing is like, I don't agree with you

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Speaker 1: what David Frum said, but okay, I mean you can't

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Speaker 1: be having a show built on histrionics of liberal of

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Speaker 1: like literal fascism, warning that Hitler is re rising in America,

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Speaker 1: and then what three weeks later you're in your guest's ear.

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Speaker 6: That's outrageous tone of debt.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I've been on probably television a

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Speaker 1: hundred times on Fox News or some of these other channels.

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Speaker 6: I've never had I've never had that happened to me either.

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Speaker 2: I have never even when I was a host, I

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Speaker 2: never had them like, oh, he needs a tone a debt.

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Speaker 1: I have never had that happen my entire care well.

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Speaker 2: And you're so right, and that was something that really

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Speaker 2: irritated me too. He's like, we said some of his

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Speaker 1: No you didn't, No, you didn't.

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Speaker 6: You said he was hitler.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, you said that.

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Speaker 2: And then once he won, you went down to suck

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Speaker 2: up and gravel and bend the knee. Don't portray this

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Speaker 2: as some like brave journalistic feet bullshit, bullshit. So they're

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Speaker 2: I think they are truly sort of like panicked about

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Speaker 2: This is Daniel Daniel Nashenian, who, in addition to doing

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Speaker 2: some of the things that they.

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Speaker 1: Might be pleased with that, but I mean in terms

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Speaker 1: of raw goods and other stuff that we do, I mean,

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Speaker 1: think about it, like, for every EV that we buy,

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Speaker 1: probably ten volvos or whatever so comes over in terms

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Speaker 1: of gas power vehicles. The amount of trade that we

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Speaker 1: do with the EU is EV is very very small.

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Speaker 1: Part of that. They were upset because they see that

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Speaker 1: as a future market, but in general they're going to

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Speaker 1: be if there's any real tariffs that go into place.

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Speaker 1: Especially think about it. Right now, Europeans are heavily reliant

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Speaker 1: on US LNG, and so that they previously they moved

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Speaker 1: from Russian gas over to over to US LNG. We

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Speaker 1: are the dominant energy sellers to the Europeans right now,

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Speaker 1: so we have tremendous leverage over their economies. We could

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Speaker 1: destroy them.

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Speaker 6: Over there.

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Speaker 2: They're all doing their version of the Joe and Mika Trump, Congratulations,

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Speaker 2: I don't hate it. Congratulations on your incredible victory. You

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Speaker 2: are such a genius like the Lenski's reading all that

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Speaker 2: stuff out.

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Speaker 1: I like to see Europeans in a suppliant mood. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing that I hate more than when they lecture us.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, we will see.

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Speaker 2: I thought this was funny from Arnau, our friend who

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Speaker 2: we tried to book for today but he was busy.

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Speaker 2: We'll get him on another time because he does such

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Speaker 2: a great job. But put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Drawing some parallels with the wild events in South Korea

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Speaker 2: this week, he says, run for election, overtake country from

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Speaker 2: unpopular incumbent, promising you'll change things, perform even worse, stuck

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Speaker 2: up to the US in very embarrassing ways. Run country's

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Speaker 2: economy of the ground, be wildly unpopular, lose parliamentary majority,

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Speaker 2: propose budget that's opposed by parliament, present opposition as illegitimate

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Speaker 2: and anti democracy. Disregard electure results, be Emmanuel Macron pick unrelated.

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Speaker 6: And the picture is of the South Korean dude who

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Speaker 6: just tried to do the coup.

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Speaker 2: So drawing some some parallels here, but you know, just

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Speaker 2: to make the tie in with US politics. To wrap

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Speaker 2: this up, you'll recall Sager when the Left Alliance was

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Speaker 2: able to sort of block the you know, the Marine

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Speaker 2: Lapen surge whatever, isn't that When ron Klain put on

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Speaker 2: his tweet that was like, oh, interesting, incumbent with some

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Speaker 2: thirty percent approval rating is able to maintain his position

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Speaker 2: of power, basically saying like, oh, this will be Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden's path back in. And I think they they really

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Speaker 2: believed that they thought that the the you know, anti

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Speaker 2: some would say anti fascist coalition that came together in France,

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Speaker 2: that it would be a similar dynamic that would play

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Speaker 2: out here in the US.

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Speaker 6: And that was really the view, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, the anti Trump coalition, like that was the bedrock

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Speaker 2: view of the morning Joe's of the world of the

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Speaker 2: run claims of the world of the whole, like Liz

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Speaker 2: Cheney approach to politics, and David Pluff and all these people.

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Speaker 6: They really thought that that was the way to win

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Speaker 6: back the White House.

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Speaker 1: And obviously, yeah, and clearly the radical reaction they thought

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Speaker 1: was an aberration. So for example, you had Teresa May

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Speaker 1: kind of become the like the inheritor of Brexit. She

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Speaker 1: calls the snap election, she thinks she's gonna win chnds

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Speaker 1: up losing. This leads to the disaster of Boris Johnson

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Speaker 1: and of Rishi Sunach and now even keer Starmer. He's

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Speaker 1: like tremendous, unpopular. It lives trust as well, you know

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Speaker 1: that's right. But you know Nigel was more popular than

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Speaker 1: ever before. You know, traditional conservative voters voted reform for

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Speaker 1: the first time in the UK. Same in France. Macron

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Speaker 1: rose on the promise that he would move past. He

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Speaker 1: called himself jubyterarian, which is an amazing term to like

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Speaker 1: move pack like almost a Napoleonic figure, rising above the

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Speaker 1: traditional French mess of politics to lead Europe in a

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Speaker 1: center left neoliberal direction. Remember Barack Obama endorsed him in

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, and it's been a disaster. Angela Merkel, same thing,

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Speaker 1: like the inheritor of that theory of Germany and of

512
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Speaker 1: strong Europe and the United States didn't work out, has

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Speaker 1: been replaced by Schultz. Hi himself is a mess, you know,

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Speaker 1: in terms of the rise of the AfD now in Germany,

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Speaker 1: so across the continent and really across the world. You

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Speaker 1: watch as a lot of these anti or a lot

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Speaker 1: of these incumbent figures are slowly dropping one by one.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who's going to place Macron. It could

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Speaker 1: be a socialist, it could be Marine Lefpan, but either

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Speaker 1: way it's going to be pretty radical and shocking and

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Speaker 1: different than what came likely very likely. His goal was

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Speaker 1: to be a bulwark against that. And it's just they

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Speaker 1: thought they could outlast the forces of Brexit, of Trump

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Speaker 1: and all of that. And the truth is is that

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Speaker 1: those were like not only nascent, but they've only grown

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Speaker 1: even more as people have tried to push it down.

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Speaker 1: So the Trump victory and the fall of these governments, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and whatever come next is just a natural extension.

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Speaker 2: Part of that global trend of anti incumbency too, where

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Speaker 2: every single incumbent figure in the Western world and lost

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Speaker 2: share and where did you see and India and India

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Speaker 2: lost share. So anyway, the winds of change are blowing,

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Speaker 2: whether our leaders listen to it or not.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, it'll be fun. It'll be fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the view. Couldn't help but

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Speaker 1: get some of this in there, just to be clear.

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Speaker 1: It's not just because it's the view, it's because we

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Speaker 1: also found some interesting news about the Biden administration pondering

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Speaker 1: parts for doctor Fauci. Liz Cheney and others. But before

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Speaker 1: we get to that, there was an amazing moment between

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Speaker 1: Charlemagne and Whoopi Goldberg where he calls her out because

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Speaker 1: she defended Joe Biden, saying he never lied pardoning his

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Speaker 1: son Hunter. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you know, nobody's above the law. I respect you

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Speaker 4: know the jury's decision in regard to my son.

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Speaker 5: He didn't believe that, but he didn't have to volunteer

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Speaker 5: that lie to begin with, I'm gonna stop you for

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Speaker 5: a second only because you don't know that it was

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Speaker 5: a lie.

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Speaker 6: We don't know why he changed.

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Speaker 4: You really think he just changed his mind over Thanksgiving weekend?

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Speaker 6: All, I'm gonna tell you what I think.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I think he changed his mind because he got

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Speaker 5: sick of watching everybody else get over. And this is

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Speaker 5: just my feeling because at some point you get to

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Speaker 5: the place where you just go. So I'm just gonna

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Speaker 5: follow the straight and narrow always because that's what's expected

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Speaker 5: of Democrats.

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Speaker 1: But that's default on.

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Speaker 4: Out there, and they stand on this moral high ground.

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Speaker 4: They don't have to do that.

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Speaker 6: I'm a Democrat. Tell me what the moral high grounded?

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Speaker 4: The moral high ground is nobody's above the law. I

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Speaker 4: respect what the jurors is saying. He didn't know.

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Speaker 5: You don't have to mad at him because he changed

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Speaker 5: his by.

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Speaker 4: The way, I'm not mad at him pardoning.

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Speaker 5: What is it that makes people flip the out with

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Speaker 5: Joe but we don't have the same kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't think people are flipping out with Joe.

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Speaker 4: I think Democrats are flipping out with Joe because Democrats

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Speaker 4: believe that they don't represent what he's currently representing. But

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Speaker 4: that's just not true. That's why I say they stand

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Speaker 4: on this moral high ground that simply does not exist.

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Speaker 4: And I think this is also the problem when we

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Speaker 4: pick sides, right, we've turned political parties into teams. I'm

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Speaker 4: a Dallas Cowboys fan. Ain't nobody more delusion to me?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I feel like we're going to the super Bowl

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Speaker 4: every year. But I'm not delusional. Well, no, that is delusion.

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Speaker 4: But when it comes to political parties, if you pick

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Speaker 4: a side, right, if you say you're a Democrat, if

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Speaker 4: you say you're a Republican, you refuse to be objective

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Speaker 4: about that anything.

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Speaker 1: What do you even say about it? And look, it's

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Speaker 1: the natural extension now of renegging on all of this

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Speaker 1: previous discussion, because it's not only about the pardon for

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden, but the White House, let's put this on

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Speaker 1: the screen, is now mulling pardons, preemptive sweeping pardons, just

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Speaker 1: like the historic pardon of Hunter Biden, the most sweeping

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Speaker 1: pardon in American history for quote unquote Adam Schiff, Liz Cheney,

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Speaker 1: and doctor Anthony Fauci. You know what's actually amazing about this, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: is that, specifically, previously, remember the Supreme Court case about

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Speaker 1: presidential immunity and the Biden discussion around that, the entire

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Speaker 1: liberal intelligentsia was attacking the very mechanism that Biden would

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Speaker 1: have to employ to give this quote unquote sweeping pardon

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Speaker 1: of all of these figures. It's kind of legally complicated,

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Speaker 1: but I looked into it in terms of what previous

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Speaker 1: people had said. But it has to do both with

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Speaker 1: presidential immunity and the power of what it would take

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Speaker 1: to actually enact something like this and legal and it

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Speaker 1: specifically relies on that Supreme Court interpretation of the preemptive pardon.

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Speaker 1: But more importantly, it's ridiculous from the point of the

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Speaker 1: preemptive sweeping pardon. First of all, they told us that

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Speaker 1: these people did nothing wrong, So why do they need

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Speaker 1: a pardon? Especially fauci like that.

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Speaker 2: That is the one that really, I mean, because you've

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Speaker 2: got people who are coming in who have an enemy's list,

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Speaker 2: who said they're going to like that's a good go

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Speaker 2: after and have retribution against them, so to be like,

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Speaker 2: you know, even if you ultimately think they're going to

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Speaker 2: be found innocent in a court of law, even if

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Speaker 2: you believe that, then you know, just the investigation and

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Speaker 2: the invasion of privacy and the harassment and the legal

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Speaker 2: bills like multi six figures of legal bills or whatever, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I support him pardoning these people because you can't.

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Speaker 6: You can't, I mean, guys worth billions, don't try.

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Speaker 2: To parton Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, char Arles Kushner, Denesh Tosuza,

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Speaker 2: like the list goes on and on and whatever randos

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Speaker 2: that his son brought in, who like paid enough money

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Speaker 2: to get in the door. So am I going to

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Speaker 2: cry a river about when you've got a guy coming

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Speaker 2: in who campaign on retribution, who put into place the

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Speaker 2: people to you know, make good on those promises. Am

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Speaker 2: I going to cry about them being like, no, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna you know, yes, we're gonna pardon these people. And

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Democrats are going to run around saying like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we don't want these pardons please, you know, like Adam

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Speaker 2: Schiff has already said, like, oh I don't really want

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Speaker 2: to pardon.

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Speaker 6: Yes they do. They just want to keep their hands clean. Listen.

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Speaker 2: My issue with all of this is just listen. If

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Speaker 2: we're done with the norms, be done with the norms,

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Speaker 2: and be done with the norms in not just a

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Speaker 2: way that protects your elite buddies, which is what this is,

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Speaker 2: or your son Hunter. Be done with the norms in

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Speaker 2: a way that actually delivers for regular people. That's my

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Speaker 2: real grievance here is not with taking this action, which

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Speaker 2: I think given what Trump has said, what he campaign on,

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Speaker 2: and who he put in place, whatever, no one should

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Speaker 2: be surprised that Joe Biden is moving in this direction.

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Speaker 2: But okay, if we're done with norms, then let's be

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Speaker 2: done with norms. Let's also listen, Joebien, you campaigned on

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Speaker 2: and Ryan pointed this out, you campaign on any of

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Speaker 2: the death penalty. You've got forty inmates sitting on federal

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Speaker 2: death throw right now, why not use these powers to

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Speaker 2: commute their sentences if that's something that.

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Speaker 6: You believe in, which I also believe in.

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Speaker 2: By the way, if you've got non violent offenders that

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Speaker 2: are in federal prisons, like, use these powers to help

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Speaker 2: them out as well. That's more of my issue is

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Speaker 2: when you're only using the powers to help your elite buddies.

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Speaker 2: But again, I think you know, given what Trump said

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Speaker 2: and who he's put into place, like, I'm not surprised

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Speaker 2: and I'm not shocked and I'm not appalled by any

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Speaker 2: of them.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, sure, I'm not shocked by it either,

658
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Speaker 1: but it's just so first of all, it's so deeply

659
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Speaker 1: hypocritical for what it all, like previously was. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: the point on Fauci is that that actually would be

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Speaker 1: directly antithetical to any accountability that I think we believe in.

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Speaker 1: I mean not Fauci not only lied to the American people,

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Speaker 1: but he genuinely perjured himself multiple times before the US

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Speaker 1: Congress and was complicit in the lab leak and helped

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Speaker 1: cover it up. If that's not a crime that should

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Speaker 1: be you know, be prosecuted or whatever, then what is

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Speaker 1: I mean, if we look back and we think about

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Speaker 1: all the people who got away with the Iraq war,

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Speaker 1: an you know, the great crimes of our life, like

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Speaker 1: this is the poster child for what government accountability really

671
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Speaker 1: should look like. Now, sure, I get the esthetic is not,

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Speaker 1: you know, fun for a lot of people with whenever

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Speaker 1: you combine Adam Schiff and with Liz Cheney. But at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, like if we believe in

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Speaker 1: elite accountability, preemptive and sweeping pardons, yes, even if they

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Speaker 1: are for somebody who wants a quote unquote target list

677
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Speaker 1: or whatever, I just think it's wrong, you know, especially

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Speaker 1: with if this person was held up as the figure

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Speaker 1: and the father of American medicine, he was defended to

680
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Speaker 1: the death by the media, by the government. I think

681
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Speaker 1: he genuinely is a criminal, and he should face at

682
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Speaker 1: least some accountability at the very least, okay, fine, a

683
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Speaker 1: criminal prosecution or not real hearings, a real report, a

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Speaker 1: real investigation. I think America deserves that after the fucking

685
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Speaker 1: devastation of all of the years of COVID, I mean,

686
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Speaker 1: did more damage to the public health system than anybody

687
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Speaker 1: else probably in modern history. And so when you think

688
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Speaker 1: about like preemptively pardoning him, especially too, if you think

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Speaker 1: about it, with a lot of people who supported Donald

690
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Speaker 1: Trump or even RFK Junior another a lot of that

691
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Speaker 1: was built on the public health distrust. So if we

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Speaker 1: believe in any sort of a lead accountability, I think

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Speaker 1: a pardoner for Founch in particular, that's the one that

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Speaker 1: got made you shift whatever.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Listen, I think we should reform this unilateral

696
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Speaker 2: power altogether. But the reality is there's a lot of

697
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: selective outrage out there because when Trump was pardoning his

698
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Speaker 2: buddies because they didn't want to testify against him, these

699
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: same people who are outraged now didn't have a goddamn

700
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Speaker 2: word to say. And unlike with Hunter Biden, where Joe

701
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Speaker 2: Biden didn't come out and was like, I would never

702
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Speaker 2: do that. You never said that about these people. So

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Speaker 2: it's not like he lied in this instance or went

704
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Speaker 2: back in his word. You know this, I think that

705
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Speaker 2: there is a reasonable point to be made that it

706
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: is ridiculous and you end up looking like a fool

707
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: and losing if you are the only side that is

708
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: still committed to these norms. And so that was the

709
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: message that was sent by the American people in the selection,

710
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Speaker 2: and you know that's this is the world we live

711
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Speaker 2: in now. So if you wanted to live in a

712
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: world where doctor Fauci was held accountable, then you should

713
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Speaker 2: have objected. What you know, going back when Bill Clinton

714
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Speaker 2: was letting his own brother off the hook, or when

715
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: Donald Trump was letting Charles Kushner and Roger Stone Denesh

716
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Speaker 2: to Susan all these people off the hook, Like, if

717
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: you weren't outraged, then then spare me about you know,

718
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Speaker 2: Adam Schiff getting apart.

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Speaker 1: So just because people have not been ideologically consistent means

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Speaker 1: we should all continue the race to the bottom. I mean,

721
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Speaker 1: that's just like a rhetorically, this.

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Speaker 6: Is where we are.

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Speaker 2: This is where we are, and it's not just like

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Speaker 2: you know, some of these people who I don't like,

725
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Speaker 2: like I don't you know, it doesn't mean that they

726
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: committed crimes. Trump and Cash like they literally have an

727
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: enemy's list. He literally ran on retribution. And so you

728
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Speaker 2: think that given that rhetoric and given putting into place

729
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Speaker 2: the mechanism to follow through on that, that the other

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Speaker 2: side's not going to respond, Like of course they would

731
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Speaker 2: be full what Republicans would do the exact same shit.

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Speaker 1: That is a fair argument. I don't disagree. It doesn't

733
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Speaker 1: make it bad. I mean, it doesn't, you know, And

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Speaker 1: I think that's what at least I'm trying to get it.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I'm focusing on the Fauci one Shift,

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Speaker 1: Liz Chaney whatever, I mean, Has Liz Cheney committed a crime?

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Speaker 1: I mean in a moral sense? Yes? And has Adam

738
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Speaker 1: Shift committed a crime? Actually I don't know in terms

739
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Speaker 1: of what that would look like with the Rush case,

740
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Speaker 1: but with Fauci, I'm just so dead certain and so

741
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Speaker 1: for him, like it would be like pardoning Scooter Libby,

742
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Speaker 1: which who did that? By the way, which President Donald Trump?

743
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Speaker 1: That's right? Who parted Scooter?

744
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 6: But I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember a lot of outrage about that really

746
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Speaker 2: from anyone right at that.

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Speaker 1: Boy, that's true, but that doesn't mean that it's a

748
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: good thing. And it's like, look, you're right, do we

749
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Speaker 1: live in a race to the bottom politics and all

750
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: this like nihilism and having matters? I mean, look, you

751
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: might be right, you know, it's certainly possible. Is there

752
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: any ideological consistency? No, But this is politics and this

753
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: is Washington. It's always been that way. And in a

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Speaker 1: sense with the Fauci thing, even in an Adam Schiff

755
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: others or whatever, sweeping parties, but pardons that they would enact,

756
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Speaker 1: it would be the ultimate admission maybe in a pr sense,

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00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: that they didn't do anything wrong or sorry that they

758
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: did do something to issue them.

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Speaker 2: I don't really think that's true when you have I mean,

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Speaker 2: just when you have the rhteric coming from Trump and

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00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: the fact that I mean they previously in the past,

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Speaker 2: like for example, they launched investigation into John Kerry to

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Speaker 2: basically like politically harass him in the previous Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: So and he was never found guilty of it. They

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Speaker 2: never even filed charges against him.

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Speaker 1: He's worth five hundred million leg sure, sure.

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Speaker 2: I'm not crying a river for John Carrey. I'm just

768
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: saying the example already exists where it doesn't require you know,

769
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: guilt for them to come after these people, and they're

770
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: already making lists and they're already threatening even like you know,

771
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Speaker 2: talk show hosts Ari Melburn was threatened as one example.

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Speaker 2: So I you know, maybe maybe they should issue blanket

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Speaker 2: media pardons across the board too.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, not, come on, it'd be better for the country.

775
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: These people were taking off there. That would be that positive.

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Speaker 6: So I think I thought you supported free space of

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00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 6: course been pre speech.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Did I think it was a good thing.

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 1: Did I say it would be a need positive? Yes,

781
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: it certainly would be. But it's like one of those

782
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: where look, I think in general. First of all, do

783
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Speaker 1: I believe that he will be coming after talk show hosts?

784
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 6: No, I don't.

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00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: Second, it's also, as I've said before, I also still

786
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: believe in America's jurisprudence. If people genuinely are not guilty,

787
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: Lady of that, then I think they'll probably be fine. Now, again,

788
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: in this case of Fauci and of a few of

789
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: the others that are supposedly on this list, it would

790
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: be democrat. It would be anti democratic to actually prevent

791
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: the government from being able to look into any of

792
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: these things. And look, maybe you can make a high

793
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: IQ argument for it in the way that Ford pardon Nixon,

794
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: which was a crazy move when we look back on it.

795
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: He was like, the country needs to heal when our

796
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: long national nightmare is over and we need to move on.

797
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: But I mean, did that really provide like the real

798
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: justice that a lot of people want, Because it wasn't

799
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: about Nixon. It was really about the entire machine, you know,

800
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: beneath and below him. Was that really a salve to

801
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: the wounds that people felt?

802
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Speaker 2: I would say, no, here's my IQ take for you, Sagar,

803
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: See what do you think of this one? If Fauchi's pardoned,

804
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: then he can no longer plead the fifth true, and

805
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: he's not in any legal jeopardy. He could say whatever,

806
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: he can come clean, we could learn the truth.

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00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not wrong. Maybe that would be Maybe that

808
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: would be a good trade. Maybe we'll take that trade.

809
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I do want to hear

810
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: it from his mouth that he lied.

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Speaker 2: I do.

812
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Speaker 1: I means, Look, we still need to know the details.

813
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Speaker 1: Weren't we just talking about this? Exactly five years ago

814
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Speaker 1: is when the first cases of COVID nineteen were beginning

815
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Speaker 1: to come. Well, okay, the real first cases were when

816
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: the lab leak happened in September twenty nineteen, as we

817
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: all know. But the first like international cases that people

818
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: were beginning to I think the first confirmed case in

819
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: Wuhan was somewhere around.

820
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Speaker 2: That was such a crazy time, and it was so

821
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: wild too, because remember, at the beginning was like only

822
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson taking it seriously because there was like this

823
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: like anti China lens to it, and then.

824
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Speaker 1: It's true, totally we should have shut our borders, which

825
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: totally flipps Ago. My friend Bology stream of and I'll

826
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Speaker 1: never forget he called me a January of twenty and

827
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: twenty and he's like, you guys need to watch out.

828
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: He's like, this thing is coming.

829
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Speaker 4: It's bad.

830
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: He's the one first people.

831
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Speaker 2: Who the one I remember is we had Matt Stoler

832
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Speaker 2: on the show, Yeah Fab twenty two and he was like,

833
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Speaker 2: I don't know why, we're just like bullshitting about whatever

834
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: topic this is. In a few weeks, the whole country

835
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: is going to be shut down and the whole world

836
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Speaker 2: is going to be upended.

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Speaker 6: And that's what it was. Right, it was right.

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Speaker 1: I remember I was the first mask you know, I'm

839
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: almost ashamed of it. I was one of the first

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00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: people to work.

841
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Oh you were, yeah, I remember you were in soccer

842
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: was masking way before me.

843
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: I had the mask, I had all the emergency supplies

844
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: when you can still get them on Amazon, So I

845
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: was I was luckily early. I still have the goggles

846
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: and my entire survival.

847
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Speaker 6: Get it's crazy.

848
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Speaker 2: It feels so surreal that all of that actually happens.

849
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Speaker 1: It's a wild time. Yeah, absolutely, it was only five

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Speaker 1: years ago. Crazy. Okay, that was a fun show. I

851
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: honestly enjoyed. Today. We will have if we need to.

852
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: We'll come in with breaking news over the weekend. Otherwise, yeah,

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00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: you all on Monday.