1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. We had our live 3 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: show from the Ace Hotel, Los Angeles, South Bay. We 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: sure did shared this week. We think we are as 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: we record this still reviewing audio to see what's workable 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: from the live show and what isn't. Yeah, so we 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: still don't know how much you're going to get that's 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: actually from the event itself versus from us recording in 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: the studios that are in our homes. What a fun 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 1: night though, it was very fun. I wanted to make 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: sure to thank number one, to thank Marriott for sponsoring 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: the show. The Marriott AC Hotel where we had this 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: live event was really nice. The whole venue was great, 14 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: everyone we worked with was great. And then suddenly, in 15 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: the middle of recording the episode, there was a flash 16 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: and a pop and the power was out for the 17 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: whole neighborhood. And it stayed that way. It stayed that 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: way for a long time. I think when we left 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: after everything was over. Uh huh, our hotel was still 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: running on a generator. Yeah yeah, yeah, which I should say, 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: even before any of that happened, AC Hotel South Bay 22 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: was already being real flexible because originally we had at 23 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: the end of this event, we had a cocktail demonstration, right, 24 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: And originally it was supposed to happen on their rooftop bar, right, 25 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: but it rained that day, so the whole thing moved 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: inside downstairs to their lobby bar. And they were so 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: accommodating with that. Yeah, And it was a beautiful setup, 28 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: and I so like right out of the gate they 29 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: were already rolling with some wild times and then it 30 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: just got wilder for us. Yeah. Yeah, because La does 31 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: not have a lot of rainfall. That rooftop bar isn't 32 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: a bar that has an additional roof over it. I 33 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: know a lot of the rooftop bars that I have 34 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: been to in like Massachusetts or North Carolina or whatever, 35 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 1: like it's sort of an open air bar, but there's 36 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: also a roof, and this was more of an open space. 37 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: So having the event there in the rain was not 38 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: not feasible, not really feasible. So yeah, we had it 39 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: downstairs instead, Yeah, which was also very very fun. Yeah, 40 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: we had a great time. That was so fun. I 41 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: love making a drink and I love making a drink 42 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: with a big room full of people, and it was 43 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: really really great. I will say I was kind of 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: impressed and delighted with our listeners. I mean I always am, 45 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: but I have done an event like that at other 46 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: things that I was not hosting, but I was like 47 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: part of. And it went on. They go off the 48 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: rails really easily, where it's like once you say poor 49 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: the first ingredient and everybody's kind of doing their own 50 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: thing and it's all and our listeners would chat while 51 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: they were doing the ingredient and they would all be 52 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: ready to like be like, Okay, what's next, what's the 53 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: next step? Yeah, And so it was really lovely because 54 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: then when we all finished together, we got to toast together, 55 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: and that made me very happy in my heart. Yeah, 56 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: we had kind of prepared as we were doing our 57 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: walkthrough for the possibility of going off the rails immediately. 58 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: So when the power went out and it turned out 59 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: that we were not going to have the amplification of 60 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: our headset mics for people to hear us, I was like, oh, 61 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how this is going to go. But 62 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: it went totally fine. Everybody, all the listeners, great fun. 63 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: I think folks had a great time. All. We had 64 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: a couple of other teams from iHeartRadio who were there 65 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: with us as part of event. All of our colleagues 66 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: also were great, so I wanted to shout out to 67 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: all of them. There are so many. I don't feel 68 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: like I even have everybody's names in my head. Yeah, 69 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: I would start naming them, but if I do, I'll 70 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: leave somebody out. Then I'll feel like a jerk. So 71 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna skip that. Just know that we appreciate you all. 72 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: I do want to talk about some stuff related to 73 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: our our actual topic content. We never told anybody what 74 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: the Pierre Collins was. Oh no, we didn't. I have 75 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: a guess. I was assuming it was going to be 76 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: something that had Champagne in it. No, it has cognac. 77 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: Oh wow, So it to Tom Collins with cognac in it. Okay, delicious, listen, 78 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: I love a little coognac. There was also a thing 79 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: that I wanted to mention because we talk about the 80 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: origin of that Tom Collins hoax being attributed to a 81 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: minstrel performer named Harrigan. Huh. That is a confusing point 82 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: because that paper that we read from mentioned specifically that 83 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: it is a black performer. Okay, I could not find 84 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: any evidence of a black performer named Harrigan at that 85 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: time that would have been well known enough to have 86 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: the kind of pull that he could have gotten every 87 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: service person in New York City. And on the joke, 88 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: there was a performer named Harrigan who was white and 89 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: I believe appeared in blackface as part of his show, 90 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: And that may be where the confusion is. But just 91 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: in case you're ever like, wait, what is this scoop 92 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: with that? Or you know enough about minstrel history that 93 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: that raised a little question for you, there seems to 94 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: be confusion on the part of that paper, is my guess. 95 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: The other thing I want to talk about maybe my 96 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: most coveted thing in the world right now. Okay, that 97 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty nine book that we mentioned, Cocktail de Perie 98 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: is very hard to get. Even a pretty beaten up 99 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: copy is going to run you eight or nine hundred dollars, 100 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, because I think there weren't very many, 101 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: and they just are not in rapid supply, and the 102 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: people that do have them are probably people that are 103 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: really really into Cocktail and bar his Way and are 104 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: not going to part with them. Right. Are there scans 105 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: of it? Well? I found one okay, and it will 106 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: be listed among our show notes. Okay, this show and 107 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: it is spectacular because this is I'm trying to figure 108 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: out where this is housed, because I kind of stumbled 109 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: upon just the active live page scam where you can 110 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: flip through the whole thing. Oh sure, and I will 111 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: say this is one where you really want to flip 112 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: through the whole thing because it's illustrated beautifully in you know, 113 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: this art deco style. They have a great page turning 114 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: noise that I don't normally love when things do that, 115 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: but theirs is extra good and you just see the 116 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: layout because this was also I presume sponsored by a 117 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: lot of spirit brands, because there are things like you know, 118 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: hand drawn ads for quantrolle and whatnot in it, and 119 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: it's all quite beautiful and I'm obsessed with it and 120 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: I just like looking at Even if you don't speak French, 121 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: you don't really need to. It is all in French, 122 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: but like you can translate these recipes pretty well, and 123 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: it's just a good insight into how like cocktail books 124 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: were working at the time. And I love it and 125 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: I covet it now. So I will be that weirdo 126 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: who's searching for a a copy that magically does not 127 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: cost nine hundred dollars. Sure, but I love it. This 128 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: is my new white Whale perhaps of books. It's just 129 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: a I don't know, I just love it. It's adorable, 130 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: it has some little notations in it, this copy. I'm 131 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: into it. I'm super into all of it. And it's 132 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: also just a good record of what was going on 133 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: in Paris in the nineteen twenties in terms of, like 134 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: it's party culture. So I'm in. I hope if you 135 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: go looking for this you are as charmed by it 136 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: as I am. You know. This was also an interesting 137 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: episode in that we don't often talk about alcohol on 138 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: the show. Right when we do, we try to talk 139 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: about it. Historically, we don't advertise alcohol on the show. Sure, 140 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: So this was a little bit of a tricky one 141 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: to figure out the right path, and hopefully it was 142 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: enjoyable and fun and thinking about how how these things 143 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: come to be rather than the idea of getting drunk. 144 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: Please drink responsibly. If you drink, will be a fun 145 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: ride for other people. I love this particular area of history. 146 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: I love talking about where cocktails come from and how 147 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: they've changed, and who invented them, and that most of 148 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: them are as you know, because we've talked about some 149 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: of them on Eponymous Foods before. It's contentious. There are 150 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: people who really believe one version or another and they 151 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: will fight about it online. So tread carefully if you 152 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: go wandering into any discussions. But it is a super 153 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: fun space and I really just I like how it 154 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: traces human history through the ways we have, you know, 155 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: engaged in social scenarios or tried to relax through the 156 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 1: imbibing of spirits or not. I still really love that 157 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: Jerry Thomas has a temperance section. Yeah, and I'm going 158 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: to call them temperance drinks going forward. We talked about 159 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: the monastery at Montserrat a bit. Yeah, you did different 160 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: stuff there than I did. I did totally different stuff 161 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: there than you did. Yeah you did the funicular, right, Yeah, 162 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: we we. This was one of two funicular trips that 163 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: we took on our trip to Barcelona. Took the funicular 164 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: up to the top of It's not the very top. 165 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: You can climb farther up from there. But when you 166 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: look at that finnicular from the ground, it looks terrifying, 167 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: like it looks like a sheer vertical climb, which it 168 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: does not feel that way really when you're on it. 169 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, we took the funicular. We walked around at 170 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: the top. There's there are some like pilgrimage paths up there, 171 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: and we walked a bit and then we came back 172 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: down and we were going to get lunch. The restaurant 173 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: seemed to be having some issues that day. It looked 174 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: like maybe they were having some kind of plumbing struggle, 175 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: so the restaurant was closed the I don't think you 176 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: were at the same restaurant that well. There was also 177 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: a cafeteria that had a very long line, and so 178 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: we made a meal out of things that were sold 179 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: in this little like sort of tent market there where 180 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: people sold a number of locally made things. So there's 181 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: a cheese that's kind of like a ricotta that's served 182 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: with honey on it. I had some of that. I 183 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: had some candied almonds, and I had some of these 184 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: little fig cakes. And there are names for all of 185 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: these that I don't remember, and I did not look 186 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: up before we came to record this. It's called a 187 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: circle of flavor. Yeah, that's described them. I loved our 188 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: guide in Barcelona she was amazing. Unlike prior trips that 189 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: we've done, we had the same guide with us for 190 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: most of the things that we did the whole time. 191 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: There were a couple things that we had, like a 192 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: guide that was like for like, we had a different 193 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: right Segretta Familia has its own guide structure, so she 194 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: couldn't be our guide in there. Yeah, so we had 195 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: a different sogratta familiar guide, and we had an audio 196 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: tour at the Picasso Museum and not a like human 197 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: guide guiding us. But she was with us the rest 198 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: of the time and was great with some hilarious language 199 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: difficulties is not even the right word, the things that 200 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: translate a little bit differently than you would say them 201 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: if you grew up speaking English as your first language, exactly. 202 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: Her command of English is just fine. I don't want 203 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: to make it sound like we're in any way, like 204 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: I don't speak Spanish that well, and I certainly don't 205 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: speak Catalonian. So she was amazing, But there were a 206 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: couple times where it was like, this is not quite 207 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: how we would say that. Yeah, I would say we 208 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: spent more time on the bus, like talking about the 209 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: English word for wingsuit because she told us the story 210 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: about a wingsuit diver who had famously done a dive 211 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: at Monserrat and also at some point died doing a dive, 212 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: but like that she didn't know the word for wingsuit 213 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: in English. I would say we spent more time on 214 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: that conversation on the bus, but we did clarifying the 215 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: statue conversation that you and I and I know at 216 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: least a couple of other people in the group were 217 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: all similarly intrigued by. So yes, yeah, it was very, 218 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: very fun. But yeah, I went. I went to the museum. Yes, 219 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: because they have a lot of signs for the museum, 220 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: most of which taut that it has a caravaggio, which 221 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: it does, but it only has the one, which is right. Again, 222 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: I don't own a caravagia, have no shade there. But like, 223 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: I feel like that under sells what that museum actually is, 224 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: because it's really quite an astonishing collection because there have 225 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,119 Speaker 1: been so many people that are just like art collectors, 226 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: that have bequeathed their their stuff there that like, I mean, 227 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: I was just a gog and so I was like, 228 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: what is he? And while we were there, they also 229 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: had a secondary exhibit that was going on. That was 230 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: some of the art posters of like the poster work 231 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: of Picasso. Oh, okay, which I will I will confess upfront, 232 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: I had weird Picasso things on this trip, okay, because 233 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: I just you know, now that I know that he 234 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: was a jerk, his art is a little ruined for me, 235 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: all right, And so like the Picassa museum, I was like, oh, 236 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: like I just I was. I had a bad attitude 237 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: about it. It was like not great, and so I 238 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: didn't go look at the posters, but my good friend 239 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: Kristen did. But again that museum, though, is really really 240 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: beautiful and the staff is super nice. We just had 241 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: a great time, and there were several of us from 242 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: our little group that went there, and I really really 243 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: enjoyed walking around because it was like, it's just it's 244 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: a beautiful setup. The flow of it is quite nice. 245 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: It's multiple floors. That Johnsinger sergeant that they have is gorgeous. Yeah, 246 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: there was a lot of art that I was not 247 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: familiar with from artists by artists that were from Spain, 248 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: Barcelona and Catalonia in particular, that I am trying to 249 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: figure out how to maybe do, hopefully an episode about 250 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: but it's it's tricky. I will tell you. One of 251 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: the things that I was really struck by in general 252 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: on our trip, particularly in that museum, was the there 253 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: is so much history to Spain and Cataloonnia that we 254 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: don't ever get, No, we're really in English speaking countries, 255 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: Like I don't know if it is as we have 256 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: both encountered doing research on episodes since we have come back, 257 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: that like it's a little bit hard to grasp all 258 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: of the nuances of the way things have played out, 259 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: because there are a lot of long, ongoing conflicts that 260 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: aren't necessarily at fever pitch, but they just kind of 261 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: simmer constantly in the background that are a little bit 262 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: hard to grasp, like why something has or hasn't happened. 263 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: And I don't know if that has made it harder 264 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: for English language research or writing about it to happen. Yeah, 265 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I hope there's more. But it really was 266 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: eye opening in that regard where it was like, there 267 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: is just so much about Spain and Catalonia that I 268 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: did not know had no grasp of, completely ignorant and 269 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: blind too. And one of those was how many amazing 270 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: artists have been part of their tradition that haven't really 271 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: some of them. You'll see their paintings in museums in 272 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: other parts of Europe or the US, but not enough 273 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: in my opinion, because there's some really incredible art that 274 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: I was not the least bit familiar with. Yeah, yeah, 275 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: I so one time years ago, I was at I 276 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: think it's just called the Philadelphia Art Museum, big Art 277 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: museum in Philadelphia. I have not googled the name of 278 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: it before coming in here to have this unscripted conversation. 279 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: And there was some Spanish art that I saw in 280 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: an exhibit there that I found so striking and I 281 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: was so captivated by, and I was like, I want 282 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: to do an episode on the person who made this 283 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: art after I get back home from this trip to Philadelphia. 284 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: And I similarly had just no success finding resources in 285 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: English about this part, yeah, or even for me media 286 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: enough resources that even if I managed to get them translated, 287 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: would really offer more than like six bullet points, right right, Yeah, Yeah, 288 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: we had very similar experiences regarding like that. We are 289 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: recording another episode in this recording session today that's going 290 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: to come out a little bit later that is literally 291 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: inspired by the fact that I was reading the signage 292 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: at the museum, a different museum, and was like, I'm 293 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: clearly missing key context here, like something that's so basic 294 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: that like the person who wrote these signs did not 295 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: think it needed to be explained. And yeah, it this more, 296 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: much more so than our trips to Italy or France. 297 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: This trip really highlighted like big holes in what our 298 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: education has focused on. I think, agreed, yeah, and I don't. 299 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: I don't know how how that gets fixed. I mean, 300 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: more people need to be researching and writing about Spanish 301 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: history and Catalinian history. But that's easy to say because 302 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, not me. I'll do what we can do here, 303 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: but I don't have the linguistic knowledge or base to 304 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: be able to go a whole lot further. So there's 305 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: some other interesting things about Monsirat we did not talk 306 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: about in this episode. We mentioned briefly that it had 307 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: a history before the finding of the Madonna and the 308 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: building of that monastery, like the Romans had a temple 309 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: to Venus there, And I have to say, walking around 310 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: up there, that makes all the sense on earth that 311 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: it would be a temple to a Roman god, because 312 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: it is, as I said at the top of that episode, 313 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: you feel like you're on the top of the world. 314 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: It's so beautif and the view is so vast, and 315 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: it's just very striking. But here's the one that really 316 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: got me. And I couldn't find verification of this, but 317 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: it makes some sense knowing what we already do know 318 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: about this particular chunk of history, and it lines up, 319 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: which is that we know for a fact that Himmler 320 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: visited Montserrat when Franco was in power. The part that 321 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: is not verifiable is that he is rumored to have 322 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: been looking for holy relics for the Third Reich, particularly 323 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: the Holy Grail. Okay, we don't know. That's one of 324 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: those things that pops up on like you know, underground 325 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: Montserrat websites, like is the Holy Grail or really on 326 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: Monserrat that we know that Hitler in particular was very 327 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: fascinated by biblical relics and he kind of was thinking 328 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: he would use them as like some sort of retroactive 329 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: proof of divine provenance of the Third Reich. And so 330 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: this was presumably if they were looking for the Holy Grail, 331 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: they're hoping they would find another significant religious relic. It 332 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: would presumably be in service of that goal, but it 333 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: also just is like, yeah, yeah, Nazis. Yeah, I have 334 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: the Indiana Jones theme in my head now, of course 335 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: I always do. Just as a rule of thumb, we 336 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: didn't get into it because again I couldn't find a 337 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of time to go down 338 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: this particular side street. But that secret police officer who 339 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: was murdered Manzanas was also, if not a collaborator, at 340 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: least sympathetic to and friends with Nazis. So that too, 341 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: is another element of nuance in that whole case, the ETA, 342 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: which is I kept finding myself as I was writing 343 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: that section, I'm like, I really we have to set 344 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: up why this is all happening. But am I talking 345 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: too much about this weird crime and murder case and 346 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: this terrorist organization? But without any of that context, that 347 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: sit in makes no sense right right right? And I 348 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: had even told you before we started recording the episode 349 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: that I was like, you know, this is this sit 350 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: in is kind of blipped through on lists of things 351 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: that have happened at at Monsterrat like it'll get mentioned, 352 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: but not necessarily. And I think part of it is 353 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: that it's hard to talk about it without going really 354 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: into a good bit of detail about like the timeline 355 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: and the process that played out there. Sure, but it 356 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: is also very fascinating to read. In this case, we 357 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: do have accounts in English some of the news reporting 358 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: from that time, because that was, you know, nineteen seventy 359 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: from American and British journalists who are like, what the 360 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: heck is going on here? Like this is messed up 361 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: and recognizing that like wait, this woman is here and 362 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: she's on trial, but there's no actual charge. As we 363 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: said in the episode, that did not go the way 364 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: Franco had anticipated, right. He thought they were going to 365 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: be like, yes, you will see my power, and it 366 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: was like what we see is not what you want 367 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: us say, right, which is kind of interesting. Anyway, Moncerot 368 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: really really struck me. I loved. Here's another thing I loved. 369 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: You know. We were there in the Basilica and it 370 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: was absolutely beautiful. I am often very struck by religious art. 371 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: I just think most of it is so incredibly beautiful 372 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: because there's so much sort of pressure on it from 373 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: the beginning to be that beautiful, because it has to 374 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: be worthy of its location and whatnot. But what I 375 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: really really loved particularly about that basilica was that they 376 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: have a lot of art within the basilica that is 377 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: more like museum pieces that are not necessarily what you 378 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: would think of, Like some of them are very modern, 379 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: some of them are. It just was very like the 380 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: little side chapels off of the main area where you 381 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: would get I don't know how many of those you 382 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: popped into, but like several of them kind of had 383 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: their own I don't know if you would call it 384 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: a vibe their decor convention, or it'd be like this 385 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: one is the very modern minimalist chapel, this one is 386 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: the very Rococo looking child like. It was just all 387 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: really really astonishingly cool and just images that I like, 388 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: I said, I had never seen. I was blown away 389 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: by the art. Blown away. Let's go back. I'll get 390 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: on a plane tonight. It was monserrat. I sure liked it. Yeah, 391 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: it was lovely. I sure liked it. Waiting on waiting 392 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: on my cava to arrive. Oh yeah. We went to 393 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: a vineyard where they make kava, which is in the 394 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: sloppiest way I can put it, a sparkling wine that 395 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: some people would probably compare to like their version of 396 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 1: champagne or prosecco. Sure, there's certainly more nuance to it. 397 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: But I ordered so much on the way out of 398 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: there and it hasn't come yet. So I'm waiting. I'm anticipating, 399 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: hoping for my cases of kava. When we left that 400 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: lovely little tasting that we had, I thought our departure 401 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: was imminent, so I got on the bus and then 402 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: I was on the bus for a while because people 403 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: were ordering a lot of kava, and I wound up 404 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: having to get off the bus and go pee again 405 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: before Yeah, I ordered a lot of kava. I hope 406 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: it comes here. I literally just held up the thing. 407 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: It was like dose dose dose, dose, dose, dose dose. 408 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: Down the line, there are cases cases of cova. I 409 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: can't wait, all right. 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