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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we are diving into Dead Evil Born
Speaker 3: Again episode one oh seven, Art for Art's Sake. We're
Speaker 3: gonna be talking about MWS. We're gonna be talking about Vanessa.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be talking about how fucking great the Wilson
Speaker 3: Fisk and Charlie Cooke's dad Devil stuff is in this season.
Speaker 3: And we're also gonna be asking was muse was he
Speaker 3: too quick? Was he over too quick? What happened? Well?
Speaker 3: I think it was comic book accurate. But you know
Speaker 3: what we talk about it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that, okay.
Speaker 1: Episode one oh seven Art for Art's Sake, written by
Speaker 1: Jill Blank and ship director by David Boyd. Let me
Speaker 1: just say up front, I love this show. I love
Speaker 1: dared Evil. This is a very silly episode, but I
Speaker 1: like stremely silly. It's very enjoyable, enjoyable in that silliness.
Speaker 1: So we open with Mayor Fiske. He's upset Mayor Fisk Wilson.
Speaker 1: Fisk does a lot of pensive staring out of the
Speaker 1: window in this episode. He just look at the city,
Speaker 1: just look it out there, And so he called Dan
Speaker 1: and Buck to his side.
Speaker 4: Just look out there, you see that city. They elected
Speaker 4: me because I promised them peace from the mask freaks,
Speaker 4: and yet muses out of here killing sixty people, guy
Speaker 4: painting murals of blood.
Speaker 2: And then he finds out and and Buck doesn't even want.
Speaker 3: To tell him, but he he's like, I do want
Speaker 3: to encourage this, Like I know why this is gonna
Speaker 3: go if I tell him.
Speaker 2: He does not want to tell him, but he's like yeah.
Speaker 1: So the one survivor, Angela, it kind of seems like
Speaker 1: she was rescued by Dirt and Fiscus like get out,
Speaker 1: get out, and he just.
Speaker 2: Throws every out. He can't stand it.
Speaker 3: He's stressed.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Matt is in his shower post Muse fight, post
Speaker 1: Muse slash slashes all over his body, big disgusting bruises.
Speaker 3: On Leaden.
Speaker 2: He's leaning into the cusely into the drain.
Speaker 1: Heather comes in and is immediately like the naked form
Speaker 1: of them Murdoch.
Speaker 3: I'm feeling that's part of his sexual power prop superpowers.
Speaker 1: She gets in and then notices these grievous wounds and
Speaker 1: the kopy is bleeding, and she's like, man, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: And then he turns around and then she gets a
Speaker 1: full frontal view of the mac musk and she's just like,
Speaker 1: forget the blood, forget show. Let's fuck now in the shower,
Speaker 1: forget the hospital.
Speaker 3: You're just good at any of it.
Speaker 2: I need it now, Matt Murdoch.
Speaker 1: I forget everything that I've just seen and I need
Speaker 1: that Matt Murdoch action.
Speaker 3: That's true. Matt Murdoch is a slot in the comics
Speaker 3: Guys comic comics. One of his biggest superpowers is how
Speaker 3: many people he focks like. That's just true. And if
Speaker 3: you got a problem with it and the show and.
Speaker 1: He's good, good at it, it's just what he's good
Speaker 1: at that because those hypes, what he does. Guy knows
Speaker 1: when he's he can hit the hotbyat he knows when
Speaker 1: he's hitting that spot and he works it.
Speaker 2: So Matt hits the spot and Heather.
Speaker 1: Is absolutely like, you know, mind boggled by the pleasure
Speaker 1: of the Matt musk. And then as the words, she's
Speaker 1: beginning to come back to her senses, you know, after
Speaker 1: her the blood rushing back to her brain and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and she's like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: you know, hold on, what the fuck's going on? Like
Speaker 1: you're fucked up, You're bleeding, and like lion.
Speaker 2: You're not home, like kicking a hold of you.
Speaker 3: She's like, excuse me, are you like self palming or something?
Speaker 3: I'm because he knows that to a point is truly
Speaker 3: he is self palming. That's what his dad evil actions are.
Speaker 3: But what does he do instead, Jay said, instead of
Speaker 3: telling the truth forget it?
Speaker 1: Matt then goes on a campaign of the most effective
Speaker 1: and shameless gasol that we've seen from fuck boy Matt Murdoch.
Speaker 2: Yet, which sit he yeah, please.
Speaker 3: This is part of comic book of not just Mat Murdo,
Speaker 3: but basically any superhero with a secret identity has to
Speaker 3: be a master gas lighter because they gotta add live
Speaker 3: keep that secret. But here I was like yelling at
Speaker 3: he was like, he was like look, I'm blind, okay
Speaker 3: into stuff. I'm like, you don't even really blind, you
Speaker 3: know me.
Speaker 1: First of all, you gotta play it up, Matt, because
Speaker 1: Heather's with you a lot.
Speaker 2: We see you all the time. You're not bumping into
Speaker 2: anything ever.
Speaker 3: You know, into stuff like what are you?
Speaker 1: What are you bumping into knives? Like why are you
Speaker 1: sliced up?
Speaker 3: Bro? Just like tell her also like at this point
Speaker 3: you are definitely not protecting how You're just contacting yourself
Speaker 3: like this is you.
Speaker 1: This is so shameless and over the line, Matt, you lying, bitch, true.
Speaker 2: And then Heather is like, Matt, stop it. You're traumatized.
Speaker 2: And then Matt's like, oh I see the off ramp.
Speaker 1: That's perfect, and he's like yeah, like and then he
Speaker 1: plays it up like am I traumatized?
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I don't know what's going Oh no, yeah?
Speaker 1: And then he you know, and then you realize Matt's like,
Speaker 1: ha ha, I got away with it once again. Matt
Speaker 1: then goes to the office he meets Cherry. Cherry is
Speaker 1: pissed because he's like, I thought you weren't gonna dress
Speaker 1: up like Daredevil anymore. And I certainly thought you weren't
Speaker 1: gonna go and fight muse. And Matt's like, listen news
Speaker 1: killed fucking sixty people, sixty people.
Speaker 3: Sixty six to the list when in the ten killers
Speaker 3: of them, I know I'm making a ranking.
Speaker 1: We have got a confirmed number, because it was there
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a confusion I think on
Speaker 1: our part, on the other members of the audience's part,
Speaker 1: about like what the true number is.
Speaker 2: But sixty is a big that's a big fucking number.
Speaker 3: Sixty huge number.
Speaker 1: And Matt's Matt, I think makes a good point to Cherry,
Speaker 1: which is like, listen to cops are they're down sixty
Speaker 1: to one, they're not on it. If if I'm not
Speaker 1: out there looking for this guy, then he's not gonna
Speaker 1: get caught. So I need to find him. And Cherry's like, whatever,
Speaker 1: Fisk is still at the window. Like a day later,
Speaker 1: he's still at the windows.
Speaker 3: He can't He's.
Speaker 2: Still sitting at the window.
Speaker 1: He's still staring out into the you know, at the
Speaker 1: gray skies and wondering what's going on. Buck comes in
Speaker 1: and he can you know, Bucks, Buck knows now Fisk's moods,
Speaker 1: and he tries to get him to like con you know,
Speaker 1: so what like Daredevil's back, but he's he's fighting music,
Speaker 1: Muse is killing people, Like that's your vote.
Speaker 3: Him, Like that's good man, Like yeah, we can deal
Speaker 3: with him after.
Speaker 2: It's like, let's let him do his work and we'll
Speaker 2: let him cook a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah I know. And I'm like the thing that Buck
Speaker 3: doesn't understand is what Fisk is really thinking about. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: so Matt Madow told me he wasn't gonna be Dadivil,
Speaker 3: So I said I wasn't gonna be Kingpin, but I
Speaker 3: guess I could be Kickpit again. I guess I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be kick Ban again. It's like, say, you're already king Bin,
Speaker 3: like you are not doing you just don't. You just
Speaker 3: need Matt's permission, and now he's got it.
Speaker 1: Fisk then blows his top because he starts like reliving
Speaker 1: talking about trauma. Starts reliving the trauma of Matt Murdoch
Speaker 1: tearing down his criminal enterprise with his bare hands.
Speaker 2: And he's like and he and he frames it really.
Speaker 1: Interestingly, is like this class this this like as his
Speaker 1: criminal organization is like social security for blue collar criminals.
Speaker 1: He's like the organization transferring wealth into the hands of
Speaker 1: blue collar guys across city. He was like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: guys aren't fucking drug dealers.
Speaker 3: Like you have crazy expensive paintings that you were buying
Speaker 3: with the money from this. How about you just sell
Speaker 3: one of those million dollar paintings and give that money
Speaker 3: to the last race, sell some like whatever's knuk or
Speaker 3: whatever they were selling for people on the street like
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 5: He has be arrested, which he has no authority to
Speaker 5: do while I, while I was in prison illegally, he
Speaker 5: goes out and he beats up all of my former
Speaker 5: associates who are just good working guys out of the street.
Speaker 3: How could he do that? And also I do think
Speaker 3: this is funny and does raise the hilarious question which
Speaker 3: is in our discord. There was a lot of talk,
Speaker 3: and I do think it's a fair question to ask. Right,
Speaker 3: it's like Wilson Fisk's anti vigilante agenda. There's like no
Speaker 3: vigilantes in this show apart from their devil. Right, A
Speaker 3: mus is not a vigilante. So we're not seeing Spider Man,
Speaker 3: we're not seeing all these masked threats. What we really
Speaker 3: have is Wilson Fisk is just like his anti vigilante,
Speaker 3: like Quest is just anti Daredevil, Like that's the real truth.
Speaker 3: He's not really against anything other than just Matt madat
Speaker 3: Kerby's passionally pissed off with You.
Speaker 1: Would think he'd be more upset about Mus, but I
Speaker 1: think that's part of what's so fun about this very
Speaker 1: silly episode. It's like mus has killed sixty and he's like.
Speaker 2: Dur Devil's back. You don't understand Buck what he's done.
Speaker 1: And then finally he's what you know he says to
Speaker 1: Buck listen, Buck, I hired you because you're an outside
Speaker 1: of the box guy.
Speaker 2: I need went outside of the box with this Daredevil issue.
Speaker 3: He's like, remember when you were called Bullet and you
Speaker 3: were just killing people all the time, assassin wink Griink.
Speaker 1: So then Matt goes to see Angela in the hospital. She's,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously she lost a lot of blood, not
Speaker 1: doing well. And then he's like asking about muses Layer,
Speaker 1: you know, can you give me any clues about like
Speaker 1: what's going with like Muse, Like what did you see
Speaker 1: down there?
Speaker 2: What was it? And she's like, well he really loved
Speaker 2: his art.
Speaker 1: Wow, incredible break in the teeks.
Speaker 3: I'm also like this is a teenager whose blood was
Speaker 3: just strained, and you're just like the greater, like she
Speaker 3: just woke up, and he's like, don't worry, I'm here.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, this is nice. And then
Speaker 3: he's will tell me about muses.
Speaker 1: La yeahs on, Yeah, the guy paints murals with the
Speaker 1: blood of his victims.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's into his.
Speaker 3: Arm and he's like and he's like, tell me something unique,
Speaker 3: tell me something like faces. He paints faces all over
Speaker 3: the place.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: My god, you are gonna become White Tiger in the
Speaker 3: next season, as you inevitably will faces. You know, come on, like,
Speaker 3: let's be a little bit more observer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, tell me something more. You like, oh, he
Speaker 1: loves painting figures with three butts.
Speaker 2: They have three but something unique?
Speaker 3: Well, I will say. Turns out Matt should have been
Speaker 3: asking one of the corrupt cops, because late there is
Speaker 3: a hilarious specific thing that one of the cops notices
Speaker 3: where I'm like, oh, man, I bet you wish that
Speaker 3: you'd lost Tim and no Angela.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Vanessa is trying to smooth over this whole Luca
Speaker 1: issue with the two million dollar fine payments about the
Speaker 1: heist from a few weeks back, and Luca's like, listen,
Speaker 1: this all went off the rails. We were making good
Speaker 1: money under you, okay, and everything was going very smoothly.
Speaker 1: Then Fisk is like, I want to be mayor, and
Speaker 1: now he's mayor, and it's fucking the whole thing up,
Speaker 1: like everybody's pockets are getting hit. And then Luca then
Speaker 1: suggests that like everybody the other the rest of the
Speaker 1: gangs feel like.
Speaker 2: This as well.
Speaker 1: And it's pretty clear that Vanessa is not shutting she's
Speaker 1: not shutting it down. Yeah, certainly, And Luca then suggests,
Speaker 1: you know, why don't we much like Fisk and and Buck,
Speaker 1: why don't we think outside the box on this one?
Speaker 3: Don't?
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the weird kid who absolutely has to be mused
Speaker 1: when I see him show up for his appointment. Obviously, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he shows up and you know, he's saying, weird
Speaker 1: ship he's it's Heather is becoming more and more alarmed.
Speaker 1: He tells like a crazy story about no one could
Speaker 1: see him, and then.
Speaker 3: She have like some kind of emergency button in that, like,
Speaker 3: I feel like she was not prepared for this, even
Speaker 3: though she is literally the marriage counselor of Wilson Fisk
Speaker 3: famed masthemud of her and criminal like.
Speaker 1: Have like a p comer spray something like in the
Speaker 1: cushion of her chair something. And also, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: like a panic button. So she's beginning to get more
Speaker 1: and more weirded out. Meanwhile, Detective kim Aka, the only
Speaker 1: detective in New York City, come on every.
Speaker 2: Case, every single case in the city.
Speaker 3: Every other NYPD offhicized on the payrolls Wilson Fisk.
Speaker 1: I guess she's the hostage to go.
Speaker 3: She yeah, she's the lead every birthcase. Yeah, going on
Speaker 3: the ground too, muses Leah, Like, come on.
Speaker 1: She knows to brief uh mayor Fisk on their lead suspect.
Speaker 1: They've developed a suspect. His name is Bashin, and turns
Speaker 1: out this guy is like a champion taekwondo student, but
Speaker 1: he actually fucking killed his coach after three.
Speaker 3: After three, what did you learn in three months? So well?
Speaker 1: I mean he like held his own with Matt, so
Speaker 1: literally like the guy, the kid's a prodigy, And personally,
Speaker 1: I think Rosie, I think he should have stuck with
Speaker 1: the taekwondo and not done the killing, Like if he
Speaker 1: just put all his energy into takwondo. He could have
Speaker 1: really done something.
Speaker 3: Could have just been flipping people, like winning a little champion,
Speaker 3: winning a little medal or something that would have maybe
Speaker 3: given him some you know, self worth. Martialots can be
Speaker 3: good for that. But also like he's.
Speaker 2: Like my parents made me do it.
Speaker 3: And also I guess he's like super rich. That's like
Speaker 3: another thing, like he's on and the he killed the
Speaker 3: taekwondo instructu on his estate. My favorite part was when
Speaker 3: she said, my favorite part of this was when Detective Kim,
Speaker 3: the only detective in New York City.
Speaker 6: The only New York City, when she said, when she said,
Speaker 6: there are only three elite taekwondo coaches and a New
Speaker 6: York is like that, what do you mean?
Speaker 3: It's like that. Okay, well he killed one of them,
Speaker 3: so I feel like it should have been a bigger
Speaker 3: deal if there was only three.
Speaker 1: I think by elite she means elite people capable of
Speaker 1: training you in three months to fight Daredevil. That'sstandable, that
Speaker 1: makes sense level and as many in our discord uh
Speaker 1: pointed out, this is this plot line is very similar
Speaker 1: to the Bullseye plot line from Netflix, a kind.
Speaker 3: Of like the therapy count obsession. I will also say
Speaker 3: that is why I think they cut this aspect of
Speaker 3: it short, because I do know that some people will
Speaker 3: be like, oh, you know, wouldn't you expect him to
Speaker 3: see Heather more than once, like an ongoing kind of relationship.
Speaker 3: But I think a reshoots and I really like the
Speaker 3: Vanessa Wilson stuff, So I think that.
Speaker 2: That that's the that's the heart of this.
Speaker 3: And I think also fairly people would have been like, oh,
Speaker 3: but didn't you do this already with Bullseye. So I
Speaker 3: Bastian just like he gets the short shrift, and that's
Speaker 3: okay because he's just some random serial killer.
Speaker 1: So just some random guy put up some numbers. Though
Speaker 1: it's really like it's really like a Jeremy Lynn kind
Speaker 1: of run from him. It's just like only a few
Speaker 1: months just catching straight muse sanity from Bastian anyway, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we weirder and it's like boom, it's very clear.
Speaker 3: My favorite part is when his nose stops bleeding like
Speaker 3: he's in an anime. Yeah, like I was just bleating.
Speaker 3: It was so he could draw an alarming image of
Speaker 3: her on a piece of paper. But yes, he's muse
Speaker 3: he's fighting had that it's.
Speaker 2: Not God's right.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, in the meeting with Detective Kim, the only detective
Speaker 1: in New York City, Fisk hears all this stuff about
Speaker 1: the you know, the prime suspect that they've developed, and
Speaker 1: it seems really good, but like all he cares about
Speaker 1: is Darnable. He just like immediately flips it back to
Speaker 1: and what about daredabl like.
Speaker 3: And she's like, we all help me because I'm the
Speaker 3: other fucking detective, so maybe it would be okay if
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 2: She definitely, she definitely downplays it.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, we don't have any hard evidence that
Speaker 1: he's back, and like we're open to it, but we
Speaker 1: don't know anything. Yeah, because I think Kim is like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just helping us out, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like there's no Spider Man, like, I don't
Speaker 3: know that bitch has gone like it's just me and
Speaker 3: dad evil now.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Kirsten back at the office is mad at Cherry
Speaker 1: because she feels like him and Matt are hiding things
Speaker 1: or doing things on their own.
Speaker 2: And she's a partner at this law firm. She's one
Speaker 2: of the two partners.
Speaker 1: It's Matt and her and here is Cherry, her the
Speaker 1: investigator who works for her, and he's.
Speaker 2: Not telling her things.
Speaker 3: She's pressed off. She is right, and I'm a Kristin.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, guys, I'm a Custom fan. I think it's
Speaker 3: Custom mcduffy, a McDuffie reference. Love that fee Like, I
Speaker 3: actually think this is an interesting character, and it's interesting
Speaker 3: to have someone who's actually like legit being the real
Speaker 3: detective and the real investigator within the law firm, having
Speaker 3: to do all the work that Matt isn't doing, and
Speaker 3: then being annoyed that this cast they brought in its
Speaker 3: fucking lyinges like just tell I'm interested. I want to
Speaker 3: I want to see where it goes. I hope she
Speaker 3: survives the season because I think she has it space
Speaker 3: to grow as an interesting character in the next season.
Speaker 1: And let's stop just like killing off Matt's friends, please
Speaker 1: one like we've done. Matt goes back to the Mewslayer
Speaker 1: and he's feeling around on the art and he's, you know,
Speaker 1: touching all the faces and then he's like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: this drawing looks a lot like Heather, and indeed it
Speaker 1: is Heather, and so he's.
Speaker 2: Like, I gotta get back to Heather's office before sorry.
Speaker 3: Does so silly and I love it.
Speaker 1: Before he does that, he just like wap like knocks
Speaker 1: a cop out who sees him.
Speaker 2: Some cop gets a glimpse of Daredevil.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Daredevil's down to the Mewslayer and he
Speaker 1: just goes think throws his nightstick and just knocks this
Speaker 1: guy out before getting out of.
Speaker 3: It, and I love it. I then love as well.
Speaker 3: But like one of Fisk's cops, like he cools Fisk
Speaker 3: and he's like, oh my god, there's a drawing here Heather,
Speaker 3: she's a terrorist downtown. Why does everybody know what? How
Speaker 3: the gun looks? Like Matt Murdoch. I don't believe in
Speaker 3: the comics he can sense things with them.
Speaker 2: This is like, this is pushing it.
Speaker 3: It's such a drummy that two of them.
Speaker 6: I'm like, God would have to be really good, like
Speaker 6: like so, I mean, yeah, why would this random cop
Speaker 6: that Matt Mourta fucking molly wopped like three episodes ago.
Speaker 3: Why does he know who had the bloods? I guess
Speaker 3: because of Wilson Fisk. I don't know. It's so silly,
Speaker 3: and then's so good.
Speaker 1: I want to add one more thing, because then there's
Speaker 1: the b roll which shows, you know, to give us
Speaker 1: a sense of a passion of time. As Matt you know,
Speaker 1: jumps up to the rooftops I guess, and swings over
Speaker 1: to Heather's place, it's broad daylight, like Heather. Heather is
Speaker 1: of course taking she's you know, it's the daytime. She's
Speaker 1: taking patients during normal work hours.
Speaker 3: So is like thinking, sensibly, Matt broad daylight, he is
Speaker 3: on one in this episode, and I think actually that
Speaker 3: I will say I think that is an underrated part
Speaker 3: of this episode from kind of reading around while I
Speaker 3: was doing my rewatch for this, It's like, I actually
Speaker 3: think that we see Matt here at his most Matt,
Speaker 3: but also at his worst, where he's lying to Heather,
Speaker 3: he's not cooperating with the people that he's supposed to trust.
Speaker 3: He's obsessed with Fisk, he's obsessed with Muse. He doesn't
Speaker 3: have any control, or he doesn't have a good amount
Speaker 3: of self control. In this episode, he's.
Speaker 2: Having sex wild bleeding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he's not even pressed your wounds about himself
Speaker 3: and his own health. And then he's going through the
Speaker 3: sky as the devil in the middle of the day,
Speaker 3: like he's not thinking about things. And you know what, ironically,
Speaker 3: this is also my favorite kind of of storytelling too,
Speaker 3: because like he he does rush to get to Heather's office,
Speaker 3: but Indiana Jones style, like, would it have made any
Speaker 3: difference if he wasn't there in this case because it's
Speaker 3: not him who kills Mews.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a good point. So Heather comes to
Speaker 1: she finds Muse in full mus get up.
Speaker 2: He's like, got the whole.
Speaker 1: Great suit, the white suit, the little beanie on top
Speaker 1: of the mask, which is so over the top. I
Speaker 1: love that kind of like young millennial gen Z villain
Speaker 1: look with the beanie on top.
Speaker 3: I was like, I got out. He was like, I
Speaker 3: can't be looking. I don't want to say. Moss Cat
Speaker 3: is like, I gotta put the beanie on. I gotta
Speaker 3: have my little jeans. Like it's very still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really like Williamsburg kind of like hanging around
Speaker 1: and it's Bushwick or whatever. I like, it's good. So
Speaker 1: he gets really mad because Heather won't address him as Muse,
Speaker 1: which is like and then he gets all his blood
Speaker 1: draining ship out and he starts draining Heather's blood. Heather
Speaker 1: is like, really, roasting your nos. She's calling him a coward,
Speaker 1: and she breaks free. And then I will say that
Speaker 1: for a Taekwon Do expert, yes, he only trained for
Speaker 1: three months before killing his cloth. But if we saw
Speaker 1: him some fight, Matt really well, he is a hard
Speaker 1: time with Heather.
Speaker 3: Heathern Hens does not have like Heaven does not have
Speaker 3: like martial arts skills. Again, some Heath gives him a
Speaker 3: but she gives him a good run. She does. I
Speaker 3: will say she does do some classic like female self
Speaker 3: defense head buying. That's one of the number one things
Speaker 3: you're taught to get on the back, dropped the headlight
Speaker 3: from the.
Speaker 2: Back, choked the dye.
Speaker 3: She does a good job. And also I do think
Speaker 3: like mus is definitely in a stressed out situation because
Speaker 3: he made the mistake of like going there and showing
Speaker 3: himself as Bastian and telling her about his trauma. So
Speaker 3: now she's just like, you're pussy, You're.
Speaker 2: Calling him by his name and shit.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm muse, anyone who has a mosque is
Speaker 3: a coward. I'm like, okay, we get it. There.
Speaker 2: Matt comes through the window and then there's a big fight.
Speaker 1: Great fight, big, big, big brutal, brutal, brutal fight that
Speaker 1: includes Matt like spearing him through the chest backward, like
Speaker 1: through the back with his like trunch and spike like
Speaker 1: he just caught like a marlin, and then like reeling
Speaker 1: him in.
Speaker 2: So this goes on for a little bit while.
Speaker 1: But then to your point, it is Heather who grabs
Speaker 1: Muses gun and guns down music. Now, yes, Muses dead
Speaker 1: and she collapses from blood loss, and.
Speaker 3: Matt big change, get out of there.
Speaker 2: Big change in the comics.
Speaker 1: And Matt has to get out of there because Fisk's
Speaker 1: dirty Cop task Force, by which I mean they're not
Speaker 1: investigating dirty cops.
Speaker 2: They are dirty cops.
Speaker 3: They are They're all the dirty.
Speaker 2: Cops Fikes dirty cop task Forses, like in the building there.
Speaker 3: You know. I have to say, though, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: again bad Matt behavior. If that was me and my
Speaker 3: girlfriend who is my longtime girlfriend in this context, and
Speaker 3: she's bleeding out on the floor, I would just take
Speaker 3: up with me and then drop her at the hospital.
Speaker 3: Like he just leaves on the floor and she's bleed
Speaker 3: it out and she just ran next to Muse, the
Speaker 3: guy who tried to kill her, and the toss fors
Speaker 3: come in and they're like what happened? And I'm like, Matt,
Speaker 3: what the fuck? Bro? Like Spider Man would have taken
Speaker 3: Spider Man would have taken spider Man would have taken it,
Speaker 3: so you know, maybe, you know, maybe Matt is like
Speaker 3: a as like a normal strength man was thinking I
Speaker 3: just got in this crazy fight, and also like maybe I'll.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: He gets out of there. Sometime later, Fisk comes to
Speaker 1: the crime scene, which big no, no, the mayor come
Speaker 1: directly through crimes of whatever.
Speaker 3: He's so bait this guy.
Speaker 2: This guy.
Speaker 1: He goes to see Mus's corpse, but he gets the
Speaker 1: really bad news that in fact, Daredevil was in the
Speaker 1: office before the task Force got there and he jumped
Speaker 1: out the window.
Speaker 3: And also he killed Mews. And and Fisk is like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: you guys killed Mws, didn't you. And they're like yeah,
Speaker 3: I get oh yeah, yeah totally what am I think? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sorry, we're dirty cops. We should be lying all the time.
Speaker 2: Cool killed Mus? Like, give me a break, bb Or.
Speaker 1: It goes to a meeting at Mayor Fisk's office to
Speaker 1: find Daniel sitting in Fisk's chair with his feet up
Speaker 1: on the desk, he's he's comfortable, he's very very confident.
Speaker 1: He's very very comfortable, and he's pissed. He's pissed because
Speaker 1: he's like, Babe, you've been using me to break news
Speaker 1: for newsleaks true. And she's like, yeah, but you got
Speaker 1: drunk and you just were talking shit.
Speaker 2: So what am I supposed to do? I'm a journalist,
Speaker 2: that's my job.
Speaker 3: And he's also like, and I see you making a
Speaker 3: video about how dead Evil was the one who stopped muse,
Speaker 3: but that was the task post and she's like, no,
Speaker 3: it wasn't. And he's like, well, I think you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Say it was, that's right, and he basically says, get
Speaker 1: on the fucking Fisk train or your life is going
Speaker 1: to be one big shit storm because Fisk is the
Speaker 1: mayor and I am the mayor's guy, and you gotta
Speaker 1: do the ship that the fucking mayor says.
Speaker 2: And it's unclear where we go with that, but BB looks.
Speaker 3: Look, she looks not happy at this, but I will say, look,
Speaker 3: I'm a BB Anna Daniel. I'm not a Daniel fan
Speaker 3: as his behavior, but I think he's a good character.
Speaker 3: And I also am a BB defender because I think
Speaker 3: that's a very interesting way of exploring ben Yurik's kind
Speaker 3: of legacy. But as I said in the discord this morning,
Speaker 3: I think from what we know of Boebe and what
Speaker 3: we know of Daniel, I think she would have just
Speaker 3: like throat punched him and walked out. Like I just
Speaker 3: don't see a way that she's threatened by this guy.
Speaker 3: But maybe she's playing him.
Speaker 1: Maybe what is the threat I don't get, Like, what.
Speaker 3: What can he make Wilson fit? What can he do?
Speaker 3: Like she's already been trying to expose Wilson fit.
Speaker 2: All he cares about his daredebil Like he's not gonna
Speaker 2: be bb Urik.
Speaker 1: He doesn't care about anyway. Heather wakes up to find
Speaker 1: Matt at her bedside in the hospital. She's obviously very
Speaker 1: very shaken up, still very traumatized from what happened. They
Speaker 1: kind of talk in circles about stuff, but don't.
Speaker 3: She's talking about dead Evil shows off and he says
Speaker 3: her name. Also. I was like, Matt, if you don't
Speaker 3: want her to realize you're dead Edvil, you're showing up
Speaker 3: in your little red glasses after your Red Eyes of
Speaker 3: the Dead Evil mosque was staring down.
Speaker 1: I would get a different colored lens just for this
Speaker 1: specific yeah time. But he still can't be honest that
Speaker 1: even after she almost died, which again, Matt, big problem.
Speaker 2: Big, big problem.
Speaker 1: So they can't they they're like kind of not able
Speaker 1: to talk on that sincere level. So she just turns
Speaker 1: on the TV and of course it's the news conference
Speaker 1: of Fisk with the Task Force. He's standing in front
Speaker 1: of the Task Force and he's got all the muse
Speaker 1: just like the New York and White PD cops do
Speaker 1: the dope on the table. You know, they got all muses,
Speaker 1: fucking drawings and all this shit on the table.
Speaker 3: Oh he did so many paintings.
Speaker 1: And then Fisk you know, holds up the muse mask
Speaker 1: is like, we did it, We got them. Meanwhile, Vanessa
Speaker 1: is is at home and she's texting the address of
Speaker 1: the Wonderful and the historic Balmont's restaurant.
Speaker 3: Wow, they said.
Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty five year old Italian restaurant and
Speaker 1: has all the vibes there in Williamsburg.
Speaker 2: Great if you're in New York, check it out.
Speaker 1: And she's texting him that the address to it, to
Speaker 1: whoever that is.
Speaker 2: And then we realize that it's Luca.
Speaker 1: Luca gets this text, and then we see that Wilson
Speaker 1: is eating alone at Beaumont's. He's digging into some chicken
Speaker 1: parmesan or something. Luca goes in there. He's got his
Speaker 1: gun out, He's going in for the kill, but before
Speaker 1: he can even get.
Speaker 2: Close, Buck shoots him. Buck's like hiding in the shadows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so good.
Speaker 1: Fisk doesn't even flinch, keeps eating, and then he calls
Speaker 1: and this is like a very mister and missus Smith.
Speaker 2: Oh I call it miss mister and missus Fisk. It's
Speaker 2: very mister and missus Smith.
Speaker 1: In that Fisk understanding completely that Vanessa just tried to
Speaker 1: have him fucking whacked. Then calls her in this very
Speaker 1: kind of like passive aggressive way and is like, Oh, I'm.
Speaker 2: At Belle Monty's eating chicken.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's like, COVID, tell her I'm eating a wonderful chicken parmesan.
Speaker 5: If she likes some, I would, I'll take it home.
Speaker 2: To her and uh.
Speaker 1: And then we end this very entertaining and fun episode
Speaker 1: that I loved. That is that was fantastically silly in
Speaker 1: a very comic book, deeply.
Speaker 3: Goofy in a way that is also deeply enjoyable.
Speaker 2: Yes, your thoughts about this episode?
Speaker 3: Yes, I like this episode. I will say I do
Speaker 3: think that critiques of people saying like, could we have
Speaker 3: spent more time with mus Yeah, I think so. But
Speaker 3: also there's a there's a limited time, and I do
Speaker 3: like a world where we are spending less time with
Speaker 3: like weird, serious, very serial killer male.
Speaker 1: It's very book is to introduce a villain for two
Speaker 1: issues or episodes and then you're gone.
Speaker 3: And also realistically he's been in it since the beginning,
Speaker 3: so it really it's like a seven. It's like maybe
Speaker 3: I think episode one was the first time we saw
Speaker 3: one of his murals, and then we kind of start
Speaker 3: to talking about him in episode two. He's gone by
Speaker 3: episode seven, five to six issue arc I think is
Speaker 3: very fair. I like where when I think it was
Speaker 3: interesting to have Heather kill him instead of blind spot,
Speaker 3: I think we'll likely see her kind of be dealing
Speaker 3: with the guilt of that. I would also say it's
Speaker 3: one of our super producers put in the chat like
Speaker 3: is Matt seeing her this facing the paint offensive? Honestly,
Speaker 3: like maybe in a different story, but the version of
Speaker 3: blindness that Matt Murder presents is generally offensive anyway, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's playing blind using his cane all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: But realistically, the way that his powers work, whether you're
Speaker 3: in the comic, he's blind, he lost, he's vision impaired,
Speaker 3: but he has other supernatural senses from the magical goo
Speaker 3: and toxic waste that you know, blinded him, that allow
Speaker 3: him from the comics to the show to the beloved
Speaker 3: ben Affleck the Devil movie, there are many different ways
Speaker 3: that Matt sees and can see people. So honestly, it's
Speaker 3: always like slightly offensive, but we still love him because
Speaker 3: he's Matt Murdock and that's also comics. Okay. Something I've
Speaker 3: been loving and friend of the pod Nika Shukla text
Speaker 3: me about this is like, I think something they're doing
Speaker 3: so well in this season is the duality and the
Speaker 3: kind of joint journey of Matt back to Dead Evil
Speaker 3: and Wilson back to Kingpin. Like, I just love the
Speaker 3: kind of really interesting reflections of each other. I think
Speaker 3: that is the best thing you can do with a superhero,
Speaker 3: and I think it's at the heart of all the
Speaker 3: great Batman movies. Is like, well, yeah, and I think here,
Speaker 3: I really feel like they're doing it. And I kind
Speaker 3: of also like that the relationship between Fisk and Vanessa
Speaker 3: and Matt and Heather, they both have their own kind
Speaker 3: of weird complexities and lies, and I'm interested to see
Speaker 3: if Heather's going to try and unmask Matt. That's like,
Speaker 3: this is.
Speaker 2: What it feels like.
Speaker 1: It feels like like the way she addressed Muse is
Speaker 1: a coward and all this stuff and her in exactly vigilants.
Speaker 1: It's clear to me that we're going we're heading towards
Speaker 1: a moment where Heather goes on some tirade about mask
Speaker 1: vigilantes and how their parents didn't love them and their
Speaker 1: cowards and they're all like, you know, trying to deal
Speaker 1: with some sort of insecurity that they have in their
Speaker 1: own life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they had.
Speaker 1: Masks going to get really keyed up about this and
Speaker 1: be like, but Devil's cool.
Speaker 2: That that guy, But that one is, yeah, I know the.
Speaker 3: Right, he's doing something good. He's definitely not traumatized. Another
Speaker 3: good questionnaire is what causes a trained therapist to call
Speaker 3: me usic psychopath? Honestly boso as well? That is not
Speaker 3: a good therapist like, I have to say, I was
Speaker 3: watching this episode and I was like, babe, like the
Speaker 3: way that you quickly like would just like, so you
Speaker 3: did that to impress your parents. I'm like, just let
Speaker 3: the man talk a little, but you don't mean TV.
Speaker 2: That's fine, yea. I will say one thing that you were.
Speaker 1: Talking about, the the Fisk Matt kind of mirror structure
Speaker 1: of this, like emotional arcs of this.
Speaker 2: I really like that as well.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to me that Fisk is actually much
Speaker 1: more honest in his relationship yeah Vanessa than Matt is
Speaker 1: with Heather, like as a, which is crazy. That the psychopathic,
Speaker 1: meglomaniac villain is in a much more loving, trusting, and
Speaker 1: sincere and honest relationship with his crime boss former art
Speaker 1: dealer wife than mad Is.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. And I also love that they continue.
Speaker 1: To signal Fisk's journey back to Kingpins with bigger and
Speaker 1: more extravagant meals, like she's just making wonderful meals like
Speaker 1: he was making he was cooking at home, and now
Speaker 1: it's like we've gotten to the point where he's like,
Speaker 1: I gotta go out to Belmonte.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gotta be eating this delicious meal. I think that's
Speaker 3: an interesting like conversation to be had there by I'm
Speaker 3: sure much smaller and intelligent people than me. I would
Speaker 3: love to read someone's kind of writing or thesis on that,
Speaker 3: because I think there's two ways to look at one. Obviously,
Speaker 3: that kind of the classic like connecting fatness with badness,
Speaker 3: but I don't actually think that's what they're doing here.
Speaker 3: I think that there's something really interesting about the idea
Speaker 3: of Fisk becoming more true to himself and more honest
Speaker 3: with himself about who he is and what he wants
Speaker 3: to be, and that's represented by eating more deliciously and
Speaker 3: kind of like being able to follow the wants that
Speaker 3: he has and doing that through food. I think it
Speaker 3: is so interesting and I love to see it because, honestly,
Speaker 3: like he's a corrupt mayor, I'd rather he was just kingpin,
Speaker 3: like just being kingpin guy. Also, I think Vanessa as
Speaker 3: a successful crime boss who's now like annoyed at her
Speaker 3: husband who's like holding her back with her shuck the
Speaker 3: bed really really interesting and meets something I was expecting
Speaker 3: them to explore this season.
Speaker 2: I think Matt could really troll Wilson by saying things
Speaker 2: like Venessa's a new perfume is really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that Oh my gosh, could you imagine? And if
Speaker 3: he just thought it like implying, I mean Vanessa too,
Speaker 3: that would be a great way for them to fuck
Speaker 3: with each other. And I do think as we head into.
Speaker 2: Who is this very handsome lawyer?
Speaker 3: Yeah, who is this with this red glass? He looks wonderful.
Speaker 3: I also love how like kind of betrayed Wilson is
Speaker 3: that Matt is that devil again because they made that
Speaker 3: made this agreement and that Dina, but also really he's
Speaker 3: waiting for Matt's permission to be I love again. And
Speaker 3: I think that's really interesting, and that's interesting.
Speaker 1: That's really the most of them, the two it's really
Speaker 1: the most intimate relationship that either of them have is
Speaker 1: with each other. They both know the truth, the whole truth,
Speaker 1: no one yeah, and it's like are both looking to
Speaker 1: each other as the signal that, Yeah, it's okay, go back,
Speaker 1: go back to doing this stuff.
Speaker 3: And it's the it's the it's the Batman Joker relationship.
Speaker 3: Really is that we get in the comics, but so
Speaker 3: often don't really get in the movies and don't have
Speaker 3: time to explore because they never have Batman be a
Speaker 3: main character in a real TV show or a non
Speaker 3: animated show, But yeah, I just think it's that's what
Speaker 3: keeps me hooked. And also, like, I love silly comic
Speaker 3: book shit, and this is.
Speaker 6: Like incredibly silly, silly.
Speaker 3: Comic sy Like I know that Matt and Wilson are
Speaker 3: gonna keep fucking with each other as this season goes to.
Speaker 1: An end, and that's the best thing to believe it
Speaker 1: must The question to me is wil Venness try again?
Speaker 2: Yeah, will she try again to kill them?
Speaker 3: Also will it be revealed? And this might just be
Speaker 3: my Vanessa bias showing, but like, also Wilson had buck
Speaker 3: they're ready to kill Lucas. So there is a version
Speaker 3: where she let him know, Hey, Lucas saying this, I
Speaker 3: waited that her show her allegiance to Wilson, but she
Speaker 3: was also probably like, well, if he did do it,
Speaker 3: like I would have used who upset.
Speaker 2: My read is that.
Speaker 1: She obviously gave you know, Luca the location of Wilson,
Speaker 1: but then also knew that Luca had no shot at
Speaker 1: taking down Wilson. And I think that what she's doing
Speaker 1: is she's trying to get him back into Kingpin mode.
Speaker 1: Fuck this Mayor ship. The mayorshit is the Mayor shit
Speaker 1: is ruining everything.
Speaker 3: Imagine if we were both crime bosses, how would be
Speaker 3: fully Hello, I'm Mallory, a little like, you know, a
Speaker 3: little criminal vibe. I think we could do it.
Speaker 2: This is flirting for her. Yes, let me give you.
Speaker 1: A little upstart gang leader who's talking ship for you
Speaker 1: to kill.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly and then he's like, let me bring
Speaker 3: you home some dinner, so I obviously locked. And also
Speaker 3: I think the funniest thing about this is like this
Speaker 3: motherfucker came in with a handgun, Like King Pen has
Speaker 3: already been shot in the head direct by an assassin
Speaker 3: who is also his daughter that he acknowledges in this season,
Speaker 3: and it still didn't kill him. And now he doesn't
Speaker 3: even wear an eyepatch, Like, you are never gonna kill
Speaker 3: him with a gun, Luca, that was a terrible idea.
Speaker 3: You gotta light chop this man's head off or something.
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