WEBVTT - Daredevil: Born Again Episode 7

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<v Speaker 1>Wording today's episode. Today spoilers for Daredevil Born Again Episode

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<v Speaker 1>one oh seven on Disney Plus.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, it is Jason Gnce Epsi.

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<v Speaker 3>In today's episode, we are diving into Dead Evil Born

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<v Speaker 3>Again episode one oh seven, Art for Art's Sake. We're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be talking about MWS. We're gonna be talking about Vanessa.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna be talking about how fucking great the Wilson

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<v Speaker 3>Fisk and Charlie Cooke's dad Devil stuff is in this season.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're also gonna be asking was muse was he

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<v Speaker 3>too quick? Was he over too quick? What happened? Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was comic book accurate. But you know

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<v Speaker 3>what we talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about that, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Episode one oh seven Art for Art's Sake, written by

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<v Speaker 1>Jill Blank and ship director by David Boyd. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>just say up front, I love this show. I love

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<v Speaker 1>dared Evil. This is a very silly episode, but I

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<v Speaker 1>like stremely silly. It's very enjoyable, enjoyable in that silliness.

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<v Speaker 1>So we open with Mayor Fiske. He's upset Mayor Fisk Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>Fisk does a lot of pensive staring out of the

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<v Speaker 1>window in this episode. He just look at the city,

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<v Speaker 1>just look it out there, And so he called Dan

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<v Speaker 1>and Buck to his side.

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<v Speaker 4>Just look out there, you see that city. They elected

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<v Speaker 4>me because I promised them peace from the mask freaks,

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<v Speaker 4>and yet muses out of here killing sixty people, guy

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<v Speaker 4>painting murals of blood.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he finds out and and Buck doesn't even want.

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<v Speaker 3>To tell him, but he he's like, I do want

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<v Speaker 3>to encourage this, Like I know why this is gonna

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<v Speaker 3>go if I tell him.

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<v Speaker 2>He does not want to tell him, but he's like yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the one survivor, Angela, it kind of seems like

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<v Speaker 1>she was rescued by Dirt and Fiscus like get out,

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<v Speaker 1>get out, and he just.

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<v Speaker 2>Throws every out. He can't stand it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's stressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Matt is in his shower post Muse fight, post

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<v Speaker 1>Muse slash slashes all over his body, big disgusting bruises.

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<v Speaker 3>On Leaden.

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<v Speaker 2>He's leaning into the cusely into the drain.

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<v Speaker 1>Heather comes in and is immediately like the naked form

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<v Speaker 1>of them Murdoch.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm feeling that's part of his sexual power prop superpowers.

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<v Speaker 1>She gets in and then notices these grievous wounds and

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<v Speaker 1>the kopy is bleeding, and she's like, man, what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>And then he turns around and then she gets a

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<v Speaker 1>full frontal view of the mac musk and she's just like,

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<v Speaker 1>forget the blood, forget show. Let's fuck now in the shower,

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<v Speaker 1>forget the hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>You're just good at any of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I need it now, Matt Murdoch.

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<v Speaker 1>I forget everything that I've just seen and I need

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<v Speaker 1>that Matt Murdoch action.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true. Matt Murdoch is a slot in the comics

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<v Speaker 3>Guys comic comics. One of his biggest superpowers is how

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<v Speaker 3>many people he focks like. That's just true. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you got a problem with it and the show and.

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<v Speaker 1>He's good, good at it, it's just what he's good

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<v Speaker 1>at that because those hypes, what he does. Guy knows

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<v Speaker 1>when he's he can hit the hotbyat he knows when

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<v Speaker 1>he's hitting that spot and he works it.

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<v Speaker 2>So Matt hits the spot and Heather.

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<v Speaker 1>Is absolutely like, you know, mind boggled by the pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>of the Matt musk. And then as the words, she's

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<v Speaker 1>beginning to come back to her senses, you know, after

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<v Speaker 1>her the blood rushing back to her brain and all

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff, and she's like, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hold on, what the fuck's going on? Like

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<v Speaker 1>you're fucked up, You're bleeding, and like lion.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not home, like kicking a hold of you.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, excuse me, are you like self palming or something?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm because he knows that to a point is truly

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<v Speaker 3>he is self palming. That's what his dad evil actions are.

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<v Speaker 3>But what does he do instead, Jay said, instead of

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<v Speaker 3>telling the truth forget it?

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<v Speaker 1>Matt then goes on a campaign of the most effective

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<v Speaker 1>and shameless gasol that we've seen from fuck boy Matt Murdoch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet, which sit he yeah, please.

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<v Speaker 3>This is part of comic book of not just Mat Murdo,

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<v Speaker 3>but basically any superhero with a secret identity has to

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<v Speaker 3>be a master gas lighter because they gotta add live

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<v Speaker 3>keep that secret. But here I was like yelling at

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<v Speaker 3>he was like, he was like look, I'm blind, okay

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<v Speaker 3>into stuff. I'm like, you don't even really blind, you

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<v Speaker 3>know me.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, you gotta play it up, Matt, because

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<v Speaker 1>Heather's with you a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>We see you all the time. You're not bumping into

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<v Speaker 2>anything ever.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, into stuff like what are you?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you bumping into knives? Like why are you

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<v Speaker 1>sliced up?

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<v Speaker 3>Bro? Just like tell her also like at this point

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<v Speaker 3>you are definitely not protecting how You're just contacting yourself

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<v Speaker 3>like this is you.

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<v Speaker 1>This is so shameless and over the line, Matt, you lying, bitch, true.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Heather is like, Matt, stop it. You're traumatized.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Matt's like, oh I see the off ramp.

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<v Speaker 1>That's perfect, and he's like yeah, like and then he

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<v Speaker 1>plays it up like am I traumatized?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know, I don't know what's going Oh no, yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And then he you know, and then you realize Matt's like,

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<v Speaker 1>ha ha, I got away with it once again. Matt

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<v Speaker 1>then goes to the office he meets Cherry. Cherry is

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<v Speaker 1>pissed because he's like, I thought you weren't gonna dress

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<v Speaker 1>up like Daredevil anymore. And I certainly thought you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go and fight muse. And Matt's like, listen news

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<v Speaker 1>killed fucking sixty people, sixty people.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixty six to the list when in the ten killers

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<v Speaker 3>of them, I know I'm making a ranking.

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<v Speaker 1>We have got a confirmed number, because it was there

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<v Speaker 1>was a little bit of a confusion I think on

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<v Speaker 1>our part, on the other members of the audience's part,

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<v Speaker 1>about like what the true number is.

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<v Speaker 2>But sixty is a big that's a big fucking number.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixty huge number.

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<v Speaker 1>And Matt's Matt, I think makes a good point to Cherry,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like, listen to cops are they're down sixty

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<v Speaker 1>to one, they're not on it. If if I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>out there looking for this guy, then he's not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get caught. So I need to find him. And Cherry's like, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>Fisk is still at the window. Like a day later,

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<v Speaker 1>he's still at the windows.

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<v Speaker 3>He can't He's.

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<v Speaker 2>Still sitting at the window.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still staring out into the you know, at the

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<v Speaker 1>gray skies and wondering what's going on. Buck comes in

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<v Speaker 1>and he can you know, Bucks, Buck knows now Fisk's moods,

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<v Speaker 1>and he tries to get him to like con you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so what like Daredevil's back, but he's he's fighting music,

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<v Speaker 1>Muse is killing people, Like that's your vote.

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<v Speaker 3>Him, Like that's good man, Like yeah, we can deal

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<v Speaker 3>with him after.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, let's let him do his work and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>let him cook a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah I know. And I'm like the thing that Buck

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't understand is what Fisk is really thinking about. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>so Matt Madow told me he wasn't gonna be Dadivil,

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<v Speaker 3>So I said I wasn't gonna be Kingpin, but I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I could be Kickpit again. I guess I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be kick Ban again. It's like, say, you're already king Bin,

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<v Speaker 3>like you are not doing you just don't. You just

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<v Speaker 3>need Matt's permission, and now he's got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Fisk then blows his top because he starts like reliving

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<v Speaker 1>talking about trauma. Starts reliving the trauma of Matt Murdoch

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<v Speaker 1>tearing down his criminal enterprise with his bare hands.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like and he and he frames it really.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly, is like this class this this like as his

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<v Speaker 1>criminal organization is like social security for blue collar criminals.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like the organization transferring wealth into the hands of

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<v Speaker 1>blue collar guys across city. He was like, Okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys aren't fucking drug dealers.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you have crazy expensive paintings that you were buying

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<v Speaker 3>with the money from this. How about you just sell

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<v Speaker 3>one of those million dollar paintings and give that money

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<v Speaker 3>to the last race, sell some like whatever's knuk or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever they were selling for people on the street like

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<v Speaker 3>I did.

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<v Speaker 5>He has be arrested, which he has no authority to

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<v Speaker 5>do while I, while I was in prison illegally, he

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<v Speaker 5>goes out and he beats up all of my former

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<v Speaker 5>associates who are just good working guys out of the street.

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<v Speaker 3>How could he do that? And also I do think

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<v Speaker 3>this is funny and does raise the hilarious question which

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<v Speaker 3>is in our discord. There was a lot of talk,

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<v Speaker 3>and I do think it's a fair question to ask. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like Wilson Fisk's anti vigilante agenda. There's like no

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<v Speaker 3>vigilantes in this show apart from their devil. Right, A

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<v Speaker 3>mus is not a vigilante. So we're not seeing Spider Man,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not seeing all these masked threats. What we really

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<v Speaker 3>have is Wilson Fisk is just like his anti vigilante,

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<v Speaker 3>like Quest is just anti Daredevil, Like that's the real truth.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not really against anything other than just Matt madat

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<v Speaker 3>Kerby's passionally pissed off with You.

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<v Speaker 1>Would think he'd be more upset about Mus, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's part of what's so fun about this very

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<v Speaker 1>silly episode. It's like mus has killed sixty and he's like.

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<v Speaker 2>Dur Devil's back. You don't understand Buck what he's done.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally he's what you know he says to

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<v Speaker 1>Buck listen, Buck, I hired you because you're an outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the box guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I need went outside of the box with this Daredevil issue.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, remember when you were called Bullet and you

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<v Speaker 3>were just killing people all the time, assassin wink Griink.

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<v Speaker 1>So then Matt goes to see Angela in the hospital. She's,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, obviously she lost a lot of blood, not

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<v Speaker 1>doing well. And then he's like asking about muses Layer,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, can you give me any clues about like

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<v Speaker 1>what's going with like Muse, Like what did you see

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<v Speaker 1>down there?

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<v Speaker 2>What was it? And she's like, well he really loved

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<v Speaker 2>his art.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, incredible break in the teeks.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm also like this is a teenager whose blood was

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<v Speaker 3>just strained, and you're just like the greater, like she

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<v Speaker 3>just woke up, and he's like, don't worry, I'm here.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, oh, this is nice. And then

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<v Speaker 3>he's will tell me about muses.

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<v Speaker 1>La yeahs on, Yeah, the guy paints murals with the

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<v Speaker 1>blood of his victims.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's into his.

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<v Speaker 3>Arm and he's like and he's like, tell me something unique,

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<v Speaker 3>tell me something like faces. He paints faces all over

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<v Speaker 3>the place.

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 3>My god, you are gonna become White Tiger in the

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<v Speaker 3>next season, as you inevitably will faces. You know, come on, like,

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<v Speaker 3>let's be a little bit more observer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like, tell me something more. You like, oh, he

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<v Speaker 1>loves painting figures with three butts.

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<v Speaker 2>They have three but something unique?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I will say. Turns out Matt should have been

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<v Speaker 3>asking one of the corrupt cops, because late there is

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<v Speaker 3>a hilarious specific thing that one of the cops notices

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<v Speaker 3>where I'm like, oh, man, I bet you wish that

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<v Speaker 3>you'd lost Tim and no Angela.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Vanessa is trying to smooth over this whole Luca

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<v Speaker 1>issue with the two million dollar fine payments about the

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<v Speaker 1>heist from a few weeks back, and Luca's like, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>this all went off the rails. We were making good

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<v Speaker 1>money under you, okay, and everything was going very smoothly.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Fisk is like, I want to be mayor, and

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<v Speaker 1>now he's mayor, and it's fucking the whole thing up,

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<v Speaker 1>like everybody's pockets are getting hit. And then Luca then

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that like everybody the other the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>gangs feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>This as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's pretty clear that Vanessa is not shutting she's

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<v Speaker 1>not shutting it down. Yeah, certainly, And Luca then suggests,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, why don't we much like Fisk and and Buck,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't we think outside the box on this one?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't?

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, the weird kid who absolutely has to be mused

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<v Speaker 1>when I see him show up for his appointment. Obviously, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so he shows up and you know, he's saying, weird

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<v Speaker 1>ship he's it's Heather is becoming more and more alarmed.

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<v Speaker 1>He tells like a crazy story about no one could

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<v Speaker 1>see him, and then.

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<v Speaker 3>She have like some kind of emergency button in that, like,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like she was not prepared for this, even

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<v Speaker 3>though she is literally the marriage counselor of Wilson Fisk

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<v Speaker 3>famed masthemud of her and criminal like.

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<v Speaker 1>Have like a p comer spray something like in the

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<v Speaker 1>cushion of her chair something. And also, yeah, you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>like a panic button. So she's beginning to get more

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<v Speaker 1>and more weirded out. Meanwhile, Detective kim Aka, the only

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<v Speaker 1>detective in New York City, come on every.

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<v Speaker 2>Case, every single case in the city.

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<v Speaker 3>Every other NYPD offhicized on the payrolls Wilson Fisk.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess she's the hostage to go.

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<v Speaker 3>She yeah, she's the lead every birthcase. Yeah, going on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground too, muses Leah, Like, come on.

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<v Speaker 1>She knows to brief uh mayor Fisk on their lead suspect.

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<v Speaker 1>They've developed a suspect. His name is Bashin, and turns

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<v Speaker 1>out this guy is like a champion taekwondo student, but

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<v Speaker 1>he actually fucking killed his coach after three.

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<v Speaker 3>After three, what did you learn in three months? So well?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he like held his own with Matt, so

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<v Speaker 1>literally like the guy, the kid's a prodigy, And personally,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Rosie, I think he should have stuck with

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<v Speaker 1>the taekwondo and not done the killing, Like if he

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<v Speaker 1>just put all his energy into takwondo. He could have

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<v Speaker 1>really done something.

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<v Speaker 3>Could have just been flipping people, like winning a little champion,

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<v Speaker 3>winning a little medal or something that would have maybe

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<v Speaker 3>given him some you know, self worth. Martialots can be

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<v Speaker 3>good for that. But also like he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like my parents made me do it.

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<v Speaker 3>And also I guess he's like super rich. That's like

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<v Speaker 3>another thing, like he's on and the he killed the

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<v Speaker 3>taekwondo instructu on his estate. My favorite part was when

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<v Speaker 3>she said, my favorite part of this was when Detective Kim,

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<v Speaker 3>the only detective in New York City.

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<v Speaker 6>The only New York City, when she said, when she said,

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<v Speaker 6>there are only three elite taekwondo coaches and a New

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<v Speaker 6>York is like that, what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 3>It's like that. Okay, well he killed one of them,

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<v Speaker 3>so I feel like it should have been a bigger

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<v Speaker 3>deal if there was only three.

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<v Speaker 1>I think by elite she means elite people capable of

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<v Speaker 1>training you in three months to fight Daredevil. That'sstandable, that

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense level and as many in our discord uh

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out, this is this plot line is very similar

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bullseye plot line from Netflix, a kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of like the therapy count obsession. I will also say

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<v Speaker 3>that is why I think they cut this aspect of

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<v Speaker 3>it short, because I do know that some people will

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<v Speaker 3>be like, oh, you know, wouldn't you expect him to

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<v Speaker 3>see Heather more than once, like an ongoing kind of relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think a reshoots and I really like the

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<v Speaker 3>Vanessa Wilson stuff, So I think that.

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<v Speaker 2>That that's the that's the heart of this.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think also fairly people would have been like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>but didn't you do this already with Bullseye. So I

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<v Speaker 3>Bastian just like he gets the short shrift, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>okay because he's just some random serial killer.

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<v Speaker 1>So just some random guy put up some numbers. Though

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<v Speaker 1>it's really like it's really like a Jeremy Lynn kind

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<v Speaker 1>of run from him. It's just like only a few

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<v Speaker 1>months just catching straight muse sanity from Bastian anyway, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we weirder and it's like boom, it's very clear.

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<v Speaker 3>My favorite part is when his nose stops bleeding like

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<v Speaker 3>he's in an anime. Yeah, like I was just bleating.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so he could draw an alarming image of

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<v Speaker 3>her on a piece of paper. But yes, he's muse

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<v Speaker 3>he's fighting had that it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not God's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, in the meeting with Detective Kim, the only detective

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City, Fisk hears all this stuff about

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the prime suspect that they've developed, and

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<v Speaker 1>it seems really good, but like all he cares about

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<v Speaker 1>is Darnable. He just like immediately flips it back to

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<v Speaker 1>and what about daredabl like.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's like, we all help me because I'm the

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<v Speaker 3>other fucking detective, so maybe it would be okay if

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<v Speaker 3>he was.

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<v Speaker 2>She definitely, she definitely downplays it.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, well, we don't have any hard evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>he's back, and like we're open to it, but we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know anything. Yeah, because I think Kim is like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just helping us out, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's like there's no Spider Man, like, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know that bitch has gone like it's just me and

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<v Speaker 3>dad evil now.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Kirsten back at the office is mad at Cherry

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<v Speaker 1>because she feels like him and Matt are hiding things

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<v Speaker 1>or doing things on their own.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's a partner at this law firm. She's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the two partners.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Matt and her and here is Cherry, her the

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<v Speaker 1>investigator who works for her, and he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not telling her things.

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<v Speaker 3>She's pressed off. She is right, and I'm a Kristin.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, guys, I'm a Custom fan. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>Custom mcduffy, a McDuffie reference. Love that fee Like, I

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<v Speaker 3>actually think this is an interesting character, and it's interesting

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<v Speaker 3>to have someone who's actually like legit being the real

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<v Speaker 3>detective and the real investigator within the law firm, having

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<v Speaker 3>to do all the work that Matt isn't doing, and

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<v Speaker 3>then being annoyed that this cast they brought in its

0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:46.920
<v Speaker 3>fucking lyinges like just tell I'm interested. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see where it goes. I hope she

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<v Speaker 3>survives the season because I think she has it space

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<v Speaker 3>to grow as an interesting character in the next season.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's stop just like killing off Matt's friends, please

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<v Speaker 1>one like we've done. Matt goes back to the Mewslayer

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<v Speaker 1>and he's feeling around on the art and he's, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>touching all the faces and then he's like, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 1>this drawing looks a lot like Heather, and indeed it

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<v Speaker 1>is Heather, and so he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I gotta get back to Heather's office before sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Does so silly and I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Before he does that, he just like wap like knocks

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<v Speaker 1>a cop out who sees him.

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<v Speaker 2>Some cop gets a glimpse of Daredevil.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Daredevil's down to the Mewslayer and he

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<v Speaker 1>just goes think throws his nightstick and just knocks this

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<v Speaker 1>guy out before getting out of.

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<v Speaker 3>It, and I love it. I then love as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But like one of Fisk's cops, like he cools Fisk

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<v Speaker 3>and he's like, oh my god, there's a drawing here Heather,

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<v Speaker 3>she's a terrorist downtown. Why does everybody know what? How

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<v Speaker 3>the gun looks? Like Matt Murdoch. I don't believe in

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<v Speaker 3>the comics he can sense things with them.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like, this is pushing it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's such a drummy that two of them.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, God would have to be really good, like

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<v Speaker 6>like so, I mean, yeah, why would this random cop

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<v Speaker 6>that Matt Mourta fucking molly wopped like three episodes ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Why does he know who had the bloods? I guess

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<v Speaker 3>because of Wilson Fisk. I don't know. It's so silly,

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<v Speaker 3>and then's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to add one more thing, because then there's

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<v Speaker 1>the b roll which shows, you know, to give us

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of a passion of time. As Matt you know,

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<v Speaker 1>jumps up to the rooftops I guess, and swings over

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<v Speaker 1>to Heather's place, it's broad daylight, like Heather. Heather is

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<v Speaker 1>of course taking she's you know, it's the daytime. She's

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<v Speaker 1>taking patients during normal work hours.

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<v Speaker 3>So is like thinking, sensibly, Matt broad daylight, he is

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<v Speaker 3>on one in this episode, and I think actually that

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<v Speaker 3>I will say I think that is an underrated part

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<v Speaker 3>of this episode from kind of reading around while I

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<v Speaker 3>was doing my rewatch for this, It's like, I actually

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<v Speaker 3>think that we see Matt here at his most Matt,

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<v Speaker 3>but also at his worst, where he's lying to Heather,

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<v Speaker 3>he's not cooperating with the people that he's supposed to trust.

0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:25.800
<v Speaker 3>He's obsessed with Fisk, he's obsessed with Muse. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>have any control, or he doesn't have a good amount

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<v Speaker 3>of self control. In this episode, he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Having sex wild bleeding.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like he's not even pressed your wounds about himself

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<v Speaker 3>and his own health. And then he's going through the

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<v Speaker 3>sky as the devil in the middle of the day,

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<v Speaker 3>like he's not thinking about things. And you know what, ironically,

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<v Speaker 3>this is also my favorite kind of of storytelling too,

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<v Speaker 3>because like he he does rush to get to Heather's office,

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<v Speaker 3>but Indiana Jones style, like, would it have made any

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<v Speaker 3>difference if he wasn't there in this case because it's

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<v Speaker 3>not him who kills Mews.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's a good point. So Heather comes to

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<v Speaker 1>she finds Muse in full mus get up.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, got the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Great suit, the white suit, the little beanie on top

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<v Speaker 1>of the mask, which is so over the top. I

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<v Speaker 1>love that kind of like young millennial gen Z villain

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<v Speaker 1>look with the beanie on top.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I got out. He was like, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't be looking. I don't want to say. Moss Cat

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<v Speaker 3>is like, I gotta put the beanie on. I gotta

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<v Speaker 3>have my little jeans. Like it's very still.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really like Williamsburg kind of like hanging around

0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:44.439
<v Speaker 1>and it's Bushwick or whatever. I like, it's good. So

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<v Speaker 1>he gets really mad because Heather won't address him as Muse,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like and then he gets all his blood

0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:54.440
<v Speaker 1>draining ship out and he starts draining Heather's blood. Heather

0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:57.280
<v Speaker 1>is like, really, roasting your nos. She's calling him a coward,

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<v Speaker 1>and she breaks free. And then I will say that

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<v Speaker 1>for a Taekwon Do expert, yes, he only trained for

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<v Speaker 1>three months before killing his cloth. But if we saw

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<v Speaker 1>him some fight, Matt really well, he is a hard

0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:11.200
<v Speaker 1>time with Heather.

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<v Speaker 3>Heathern Hens does not have like Heaven does not have

0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:17.280
<v Speaker 3>like martial arts skills. Again, some Heath gives him a

0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:20.280
<v Speaker 3>but she gives him a good run. She does. I

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.320
<v Speaker 3>will say she does do some classic like female self

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:25.880
<v Speaker 3>defense head buying. That's one of the number one things

0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:29.440
<v Speaker 3>you're taught to get on the back, dropped the headlight

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<v Speaker 3>from the.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, choked the dye.

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<v Speaker 3>She does a good job. And also I do think

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<v Speaker 3>like mus is definitely in a stressed out situation because

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<v Speaker 3>he made the mistake of like going there and showing

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<v Speaker 3>himself as Bastian and telling her about his trauma. So

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<v Speaker 3>now she's just like, you're pussy, You're.

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<v Speaker 2>Calling him by his name and shit.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, I'm muse, anyone who has a mosque is

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<v Speaker 3>a coward. I'm like, okay, we get it. There.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt comes through the window and then there's a big fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Great fight, big, big, big brutal, brutal, brutal fight that

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<v Speaker 1>includes Matt like spearing him through the chest backward, like

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<v Speaker 1>through the back with his like trunch and spike like

0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.159
<v Speaker 1>he just caught like a marlin, and then like reeling

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<v Speaker 1>him in.

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<v Speaker 2>So this goes on for a little bit while.

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<v Speaker 1>But then to your point, it is Heather who grabs

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<v Speaker 1>Muses gun and guns down music. Now, yes, Muses dead

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<v Speaker 1>and she collapses from blood loss, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Matt big change, get out of there.

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<v Speaker 2>Big change in the comics.

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<v Speaker 1>And Matt has to get out of there because Fisk's

0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:38.040
<v Speaker 1>dirty Cop task Force, by which I mean they're not

0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 1>investigating dirty cops.

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:40.160
<v Speaker 2>They are dirty cops.

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:42.440
<v Speaker 3>They are They're all the dirty.

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:44.720
<v Speaker 2>Cops Fikes dirty cop task Forses, like in the building there.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I have to say, though, yeah, this is

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:51.399
<v Speaker 3>again bad Matt behavior. If that was me and my

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:55.800
<v Speaker 3>girlfriend who is my longtime girlfriend in this context, and

0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:59.160
<v Speaker 3>she's bleeding out on the floor, I would just take

0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 3>up with me and then drop her at the hospital.

0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:05.679
<v Speaker 3>Like he just leaves on the floor and she's bleed

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:07.960
<v Speaker 3>it out and she just ran next to Muse, the

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 3>guy who tried to kill her, and the toss fors

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:13.639
<v Speaker 3>come in and they're like what happened? And I'm like, Matt,

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 3>what the fuck? Bro? Like Spider Man would have taken

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:19.639
<v Speaker 3>Spider Man would have taken spider Man would have taken it,

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 3>so you know, maybe, you know, maybe Matt is like

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 3>a as like a normal strength man was thinking I

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:30.919
<v Speaker 3>just got in this crazy fight, and also like maybe I'll.

0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>He gets out of there. Sometime later, Fisk comes to

0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:39.679
<v Speaker 1>the crime scene, which big no, no, the mayor come

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>directly through crimes of whatever.

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 3>He's so bait this guy.

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 2>This guy.

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>He goes to see Mus's corpse, but he gets the

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:50.639
<v Speaker 1>really bad news that in fact, Daredevil was in the

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 1>office before the task Force got there and he jumped

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 1>out the window.

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 3>And also he killed Mews. And and Fisk is like no, no, no, no, no,

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 3>you guys killed Mws, didn't you. And they're like yeah,

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 3>I get oh yeah, yeah totally what am I think? Yeah?

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, we're dirty cops. We should be lying all the time.

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Cool killed Mus? Like, give me a break, bb Or.

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>It goes to a meeting at Mayor Fisk's office to

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 1>find Daniel sitting in Fisk's chair with his feet up

0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 1>on the desk, he's he's comfortable, he's very very confident.

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>He's very very comfortable, and he's pissed. He's pissed because

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 1>he's like, Babe, you've been using me to break news

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 1>for newsleaks true. And she's like, yeah, but you got

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:34.680
<v Speaker 1>drunk and you just were talking shit.

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:36.680
<v Speaker 2>So what am I supposed to do? I'm a journalist,

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 2>that's my job.

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:40.919
<v Speaker 3>And he's also like, and I see you making a

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 3>video about how dead Evil was the one who stopped muse,

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:46.679
<v Speaker 3>but that was the task post and she's like, no,

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.440
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't. And he's like, well, I think you're gonna.

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Say it was, that's right, and he basically says, get

0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 1>on the fucking Fisk train or your life is going

0:26:56.119 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 1>to be one big shit storm because Fisk is the

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.440
<v Speaker 1>mayor and I am the mayor's guy, and you gotta

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 1>do the ship that the fucking mayor says.

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 2>And it's unclear where we go with that, but BB looks.

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.120
<v Speaker 3>Look, she looks not happy at this, but I will say, look,

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm a BB Anna Daniel. I'm not a Daniel fan

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 3>as his behavior, but I think he's a good character.

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.679
<v Speaker 3>And I also am a BB defender because I think

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 3>that's a very interesting way of exploring ben Yurik's kind

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 3>of legacy. But as I said in the discord this morning,

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 3>I think from what we know of Boebe and what

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:34.639
<v Speaker 3>we know of Daniel, I think she would have just

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:37.359
<v Speaker 3>like throat punched him and walked out. Like I just

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 3>don't see a way that she's threatened by this guy.

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 3>But maybe she's playing him.

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:46.919
<v Speaker 1>Maybe what is the threat I don't get, Like, what.

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 3>What can he make Wilson fit? What can he do?

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 3>Like she's already been trying to expose Wilson fit.

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 2>All he cares about his daredebil Like he's not gonna

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 2>be bb Urik.

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't care about anyway. Heather wakes up to find

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Matt at her bedside in the hospital. She's obviously very

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 1>very shaken up, still very traumatized from what happened. They

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of talk in circles about stuff, but don't.

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 3>She's talking about dead Evil shows off and he says

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 3>her name. Also. I was like, Matt, if you don't

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:14.439
<v Speaker 3>want her to realize you're dead Edvil, you're showing up

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.199
<v Speaker 3>in your little red glasses after your Red Eyes of

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 3>the Dead Evil mosque was staring down.

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I would get a different colored lens just for this

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>specific yeah time. But he still can't be honest that

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 1>even after she almost died, which again, Matt, big problem.

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Big, big problem.

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>So they can't they they're like kind of not able

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>to talk on that sincere level. So she just turns

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 1>on the TV and of course it's the news conference

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 1>of Fisk with the Task Force. He's standing in front

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 1>of the Task Force and he's got all the muse

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>just like the New York and White PD cops do

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>the dope on the table. You know, they got all muses,

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 1>fucking drawings and all this shit on the table.

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh he did so many paintings.

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>And then Fisk you know, holds up the muse mask

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>is like, we did it, We got them. Meanwhile, Vanessa

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.479
<v Speaker 1>is is at home and she's texting the address of

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the Wonderful and the historic Balmont's restaurant.

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Wow, they said.

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 1>One hundred and twenty five year old Italian restaurant and

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 1>has all the vibes there in Williamsburg.

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Great if you're in New York, check it out.

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 1>And she's texting him that the address to it, to

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:22.959
<v Speaker 1>whoever that is.

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 2>And then we realize that it's Luca.

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Luca gets this text, and then we see that Wilson

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 1>is eating alone at Beaumont's. He's digging into some chicken

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 1>parmesan or something. Luca goes in there. He's got his

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 1>gun out, He's going in for the kill, but before

0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 1>he can even get.

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Close, Buck shoots him. Buck's like hiding in the shadows.

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's so good.

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Fisk doesn't even flinch, keeps eating, and then he calls

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and this is like a very mister and missus Smith.

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh I call it miss mister and missus Fisk. It's

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 2>very mister and missus Smith.

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:01.959
<v Speaker 1>In that Fisk understanding completely that Vanessa just tried to

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 1>have him fucking whacked. Then calls her in this very

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of like passive aggressive way and is like, Oh, I'm.

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 2>At Belle Monty's eating chicken.

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 2>He's like, COVID, tell her I'm eating a wonderful chicken parmesan.

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 5>If she likes some, I would, I'll take it home.

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 2>To her and uh.

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 1>And then we end this very entertaining and fun episode

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>that I loved. That is that was fantastically silly in

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a very comic book, deeply.

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Goofy in a way that is also deeply enjoyable.

0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, your thoughts about this episode?

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I like this episode. I will say I do

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 3>think that critiques of people saying like, could we have

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 3>spent more time with mus Yeah, I think so. But

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 3>also there's a there's a limited time, and I do

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 3>like a world where we are spending less time with

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 3>like weird, serious, very serial killer male.

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 1>It's very book is to introduce a villain for two

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>issues or episodes and then you're gone.

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 3>And also realistically he's been in it since the beginning,

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 3>so it really it's like a seven. It's like maybe

0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 3>I think episode one was the first time we saw

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 3>one of his murals, and then we kind of start

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 3>to talking about him in episode two. He's gone by

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 3>episode seven, five to six issue arc I think is

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 3>very fair. I like where when I think it was

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:48.280
<v Speaker 3>interesting to have Heather kill him instead of blind spot,

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 3>I think we'll likely see her kind of be dealing

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 3>with the guilt of that. I would also say it's

0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 3>one of our super producers put in the chat like

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 3>is Matt seeing her this facing the paint offensive? Honestly,

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 3>like maybe in a different story, but the version of

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 3>blindness that Matt Murder presents is generally offensive anyway, Like, yeah,

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:14.880
<v Speaker 3>he's playing blind using his cane all that kind of stuff,

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 3>But realistically, the way that his powers work, whether you're

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 3>in the comic, he's blind, he lost, he's vision impaired,

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 3>but he has other supernatural senses from the magical goo

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 3>and toxic waste that you know, blinded him, that allow

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 3>him from the comics to the show to the beloved

0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 3>ben Affleck the Devil movie, there are many different ways

0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 3>that Matt sees and can see people. So honestly, it's

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 3>always like slightly offensive, but we still love him because

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 3>he's Matt Murdock and that's also comics. Okay. Something I've

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 3>been loving and friend of the pod Nika Shukla text

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 3>me about this is like, I think something they're doing

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 3>so well in this season is the duality and the

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 3>kind of joint journey of Matt back to Dead Evil

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:04.239
<v Speaker 3>and Wilson back to Kingpin. Like, I just love the

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 3>kind of really interesting reflections of each other. I think

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 3>that is the best thing you can do with a superhero,

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 3>and I think it's at the heart of all the

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 3>great Batman movies. Is like, well, yeah, and I think here,

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 3>I really feel like they're doing it. And I kind

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 3>of also like that the relationship between Fisk and Vanessa

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 3>and Matt and Heather, they both have their own kind

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 3>of weird complexities and lies, and I'm interested to see

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 3>if Heather's going to try and unmask Matt. That's like,

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:36.560
<v Speaker 3>this is.

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 2>What it feels like.

0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 1>It feels like like the way she addressed Muse is

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 1>a coward and all this stuff and her in exactly vigilants.

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>It's clear to me that we're going we're heading towards

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>a moment where Heather goes on some tirade about mask

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>vigilantes and how their parents didn't love them and their

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 1>cowards and they're all like, you know, trying to deal

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 1>with some sort of insecurity that they have in their

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 1>own life.

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they had.

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Masks going to get really keyed up about this and

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 1>be like, but Devil's cool.

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 2>That that guy, But that one is, yeah, I know the.

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Right, he's doing something good. He's definitely not traumatized. Another

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 3>good questionnaire is what causes a trained therapist to call

0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 3>me usic psychopath? Honestly boso as well? That is not

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 3>a good therapist like, I have to say, I was

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 3>watching this episode and I was like, babe, like the

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 3>way that you quickly like would just like, so you

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:35.600
<v Speaker 3>did that to impress your parents. I'm like, just let

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 3>the man talk a little, but you don't mean TV.

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 2>That's fine, yea. I will say one thing that you were.

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Talking about, the the Fisk Matt kind of mirror structure

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:48.719
<v Speaker 1>of this, like emotional arcs of this.

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 2>I really like that as well.

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting to me that Fisk is actually much

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 1>more honest in his relationship yeah Vanessa than Matt is

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 1>with Heather, like as a, which is crazy. That the psychopathic,

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 1>meglomaniac villain is in a much more loving, trusting, and

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 1>sincere and honest relationship with his crime boss former art

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>dealer wife than mad Is.

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting. And I also love that they continue.

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 1>To signal Fisk's journey back to Kingpins with bigger and

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 1>more extravagant meals, like she's just making wonderful meals like

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 1>he was making he was cooking at home, and now

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like we've gotten to the point where he's like,

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I gotta go out to Belmonte.

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, gotta be eating this delicious meal. I think that's

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 3>an interesting like conversation to be had there by I'm

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 3>sure much smaller and intelligent people than me. I would

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 3>love to read someone's kind of writing or thesis on that,

0:35:57.560 --> 0:35:59.800
<v Speaker 3>because I think there's two ways to look at one. Obviously,

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 3>that kind of the classic like connecting fatness with badness,

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:04.839
<v Speaker 3>but I don't actually think that's what they're doing here.

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:08.720
<v Speaker 3>I think that there's something really interesting about the idea

0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 3>of Fisk becoming more true to himself and more honest

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:15.240
<v Speaker 3>with himself about who he is and what he wants

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 3>to be, and that's represented by eating more deliciously and

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 3>kind of like being able to follow the wants that

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 3>he has and doing that through food. I think it

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 3>is so interesting and I love to see it because, honestly,

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 3>like he's a corrupt mayor, I'd rather he was just kingpin,

0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 3>like just being kingpin guy. Also, I think Vanessa as

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:40.839
<v Speaker 3>a successful crime boss who's now like annoyed at her

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<v Speaker 3>husband who's like holding her back with her shuck the

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<v Speaker 3>bed really really interesting and meets something I was expecting

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<v Speaker 3>them to explore this season.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Matt could really troll Wilson by saying things

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<v Speaker 2>like Venessa's a new perfume is really good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that Oh my gosh, could you imagine? And if

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<v Speaker 3>he just thought it like implying, I mean Vanessa too,

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<v Speaker 3>that would be a great way for them to fuck

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<v Speaker 3>with each other. And I do think as we head into.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is this very handsome lawyer?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, who is this with this red glass? He looks wonderful.

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<v Speaker 3>I also love how like kind of betrayed Wilson is

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<v Speaker 3>that Matt is that devil again because they made that

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<v Speaker 3>made this agreement and that Dina, but also really he's

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<v Speaker 3>waiting for Matt's permission to be I love again. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's really interesting, and that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really the most of them, the two it's really

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<v Speaker 1>the most intimate relationship that either of them have is

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<v Speaker 1>with each other. They both know the truth, the whole truth,

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<v Speaker 1>no one yeah, and it's like are both looking to

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<v Speaker 1>each other as the signal that, Yeah, it's okay, go back,

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<v Speaker 1>go back to doing this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's the it's the it's the Batman Joker relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Really is that we get in the comics, but so

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<v Speaker 3>often don't really get in the movies and don't have

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<v Speaker 3>time to explore because they never have Batman be a

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<v Speaker 3>main character in a real TV show or a non

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<v Speaker 3>animated show, But yeah, I just think it's that's what

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<v Speaker 3>keeps me hooked. And also, like, I love silly comic

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<v Speaker 3>book shit, and this is.

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<v Speaker 6>Like incredibly silly, silly.

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<v Speaker 3>Comic sy Like I know that Matt and Wilson are

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<v Speaker 3>gonna keep fucking with each other as this season goes to.

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<v Speaker 1>An end, and that's the best thing to believe it

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<v Speaker 1>must The question to me is wil Venness try again?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, will she try again to kill them?

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<v Speaker 3>Also will it be revealed? And this might just be

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<v Speaker 3>my Vanessa bias showing, but like, also Wilson had buck

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<v Speaker 3>they're ready to kill Lucas. So there is a version

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<v Speaker 3>where she let him know, Hey, Lucas saying this, I

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<v Speaker 3>waited that her show her allegiance to Wilson, but she

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<v Speaker 3>was also probably like, well, if he did do it,

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<v Speaker 3>like I would have used who upset.

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<v Speaker 2>My read is that.

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<v Speaker 1>She obviously gave you know, Luca the location of Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>but then also knew that Luca had no shot at

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<v Speaker 1>taking down Wilson. And I think that what she's doing

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<v Speaker 1>is she's trying to get him back into Kingpin mode.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck this Mayor ship. The mayorshit is the Mayor shit

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<v Speaker 1>is ruining everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine if we were both crime bosses, how would be

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<v Speaker 3>fully Hello, I'm Mallory, a little like, you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>little criminal vibe. I think we could do it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is flirting for her. Yes, let me give you.

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<v Speaker 1>A little upstart gang leader who's talking ship for you

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<v Speaker 1>to kill.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's exactly and then he's like, let me bring

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<v Speaker 3>you home some dinner, so I obviously locked. And also

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<v Speaker 3>I think the funniest thing about this is like this

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<v Speaker 3>motherfucker came in with a handgun, Like King Pen has

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<v Speaker 3>already been shot in the head direct by an assassin

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<v Speaker 3>who is also his daughter that he acknowledges in this season,

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<v Speaker 3>and it still didn't kill him. And now he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>even wear an eyepatch, Like, you are never gonna kill

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<v Speaker 3>him with a gun, Luca, that was a terrible idea.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta light chop this man's head off or something.

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<v Speaker 1>In the next few episodes of X ray Vision, join

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<v Speaker 1>switch to News who We've also got news on Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>and Monday, we're celebrating thirty years of a goofy movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh good friend of the pod, Danny Fernandez. That's it

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<v Speaker 2>for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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