WEBVTT - How Numerology Works

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Chuck, and Chuck's a seven and I'm a nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is stuff you should know. Yeah, did you

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<v Speaker 1>figure your years out? Are you a nine? Uh? It

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<v Speaker 1>depends on my UM seven nine for my birth. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a nine for my UM birth as well my life

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<v Speaker 1>cat number. We're both nines, but you're a you're seven

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<v Speaker 1>for your destiny number if I figured years out, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we're all that. That means this all makes sense now, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why we were meant to be together on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>It was preordained by the spirit herself. So we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about numerology, which I guess an overarching definition would be, um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a pseudo scientific practice in which people base things

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<v Speaker 1>on numbers, like your destiny and who your romantic partner

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<v Speaker 1>should be, and maybe what job you should have and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like this. Uh. And I just want to say

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of this that there are many different

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of numerology, and depending on where you're from, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are many different methods and many different charts, and

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<v Speaker 1>like we're not going to get too far into the

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<v Speaker 1>weeds on those because it's all fake, because it would

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<v Speaker 1>just be a super long, like four our episode on numerology.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is kind of just an overarching how you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we do. It's it's basically how what numerology

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<v Speaker 1>is and how it works, and and not all the

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<v Speaker 1>specificities of each system. Yeah, because your brain starts to

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<v Speaker 1>melt a little bit when you start getting into all that,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're all kind of the same. It's just different

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<v Speaker 1>variations of sort of the same thing. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that there's so many variations there are supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to arrive at a press slice figure kind of also

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<v Speaker 1>warns the person to take the whole thing with a

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<v Speaker 1>grain of salt. But it's apparently way more popular in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one century America than I realized. How is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I man going to Bustle and The Cut,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, there's numerology dot com and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of sites that have if they're not like

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<v Speaker 1>overtly dedicated to numerology, they have like whole sections dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>to numerology and all that stuff. So the cool kids

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<v Speaker 1>doing it, I think. So I can't tell if it's

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<v Speaker 1>the Millennials or gen Z or I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're not on their Supreme sweatshirt talking about numbers. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I just met someone who works with them, who works

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<v Speaker 1>for Bustle for it, works for Supreme, and we should

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to it's uh master guitar player and is

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff you should know? Fan Matt Sweeney, who in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid nineties had the indie rock sort of math

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<v Speaker 1>rock band and Chavez and now has played with everyone

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<v Speaker 1>from Johnny Cash to Adele. I know him from his

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<v Speaker 1>work with Bonnie Prince Billy and I just saw them

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<v Speaker 1>live and I just got to hang out with Sweeney.

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<v Speaker 1>Had a great four hour dinner with Matt and his

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend j R. And j R works for Supreme and

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<v Speaker 1>was telling me all about it. Well, that's fantastic. I

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<v Speaker 1>have someone I'd like to shout out. Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to shout out listener Jimmy McCleod, who deend

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<v Speaker 1>out took um guitar lessons from the same Toledo metal band.

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<v Speaker 1>Guitar that's me. I saw that that was ramusic in Toledo.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, this is all absolutely correct,

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<v Speaker 1>And he said yes. Indeed, like this guy was in

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<v Speaker 1>attentive at best. He would just go out and and

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<v Speaker 1>talk to people in the store in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the lessons, I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, so thank you for that. That was putting

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<v Speaker 1>all those pieces together for me. My brain don't work

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<v Speaker 1>so so good. Yeah, multiple shoutouts. Is there anything else

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<v Speaker 1>we can talk about that's not numerology. I've got one

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<v Speaker 1>to them. It's right me, Mike, Okay, that's it for

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<v Speaker 1>shout outs, Bunny, all right, that's it. So how do

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<v Speaker 1>we even get oh supreme right, all right, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about numerology. So there is a thought among some people

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<v Speaker 1>that numbers have these mystical properties. That's the basis of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing, the basis of the whole thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>that that some people even think that these numbers, like

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<v Speaker 1>all things on the planet, have an inherent vibration and

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<v Speaker 1>a unique vibration. And if you guide your life by

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<v Speaker 1>numbers that have vibrations that are in sync with one another,

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<v Speaker 1>then you can lead a more complete life and lead

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<v Speaker 1>your best life. Yeah, and the way that ties into

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<v Speaker 1>numbers is the idea that that numbers basically run everything.

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<v Speaker 1>That that that the properties that an individual number has

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<v Speaker 1>can be attributed to things that are associated with that number.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can break everything down into a number. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you can break something down, if you can divine

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<v Speaker 1>something's number, you can figure out what lies ahead for them,

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<v Speaker 1>what their personality types going to be, what their challenges are,

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<v Speaker 1>um and it depending on some numerology systems, you could

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what you're lucky day is, what numbers you

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<v Speaker 1>should play in the latto, like all sorts of different stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But the idea goes well beyond, you know, like picking

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<v Speaker 1>something at roulette. It's it's like the idea numerology is

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<v Speaker 1>very much akin to astrology, where based on your name,

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<v Speaker 1>your date of birth, and a few other factors that

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<v Speaker 1>are inherent to you. If you combine those into a number,

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<v Speaker 1>you can figure out what number you're associated with, and

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<v Speaker 1>hence what your destiny will be. That's basically the general

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<v Speaker 1>basis of all numerological systems, right, and that The father

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<v Speaker 1>of Western numerology is Pythagoras, the Greek philosopher born in

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<v Speaker 1>five sixty nine BC who studied numbers and studied music

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<v Speaker 1>and art and all kinds of things. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things Pythagoras like to do is say, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually take the the pluck of a of

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<v Speaker 1>a leer string and you can break that down into

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<v Speaker 1>a number, Like that unique vibration of that note has

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<v Speaker 1>its own number that we can assign to it. That

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<v Speaker 1>was huge, Yeah, I mean he was coming at it

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<v Speaker 1>through some interesting angles at first, I think, And this

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<v Speaker 1>was in five sixty nine, This was the twenty first century.

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<v Speaker 1>This is when this probably sounded about a good as

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<v Speaker 1>good as anything. Yeah. Pythagoras and his followers known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Pythagoreans, they that that that school, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>Southern Italy um like they were. They were some of

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<v Speaker 1>the first people to really apply a study of mathematics

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<v Speaker 1>UM and geometry in particular. UM. I think beforehand, geometry

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<v Speaker 1>was I saw it described as basically a loose set

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<v Speaker 1>of principles that that you could use to like build

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<v Speaker 1>a house with or something like that. It wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>a like math in and of itself until Pythagoras came

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<v Speaker 1>along and they started realizing like, oh wait, like math

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<v Speaker 1>exists on its own, like it's its own thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>started studying it like that, and started finding it everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and started like, like you said, you know that I

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<v Speaker 1>saw um a description that the that that Pythagoras and

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<v Speaker 1>the Pythagoreans figured out that um, that music like resonant,

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<v Speaker 1>like music that's not discordant, but the good stuff UM

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<v Speaker 1>is uh like it follows whole integers, and that he

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<v Speaker 1>figured it out by hearing how different hammers in a

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<v Speaker 1>blacksmith's shop harmonized. And he went and looked, and he

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<v Speaker 1>saw that they were those hammers were related mathematically. One

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<v Speaker 1>was say, a one pound hammer, and the other one

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<v Speaker 1>was part of a whole integer, like a half pound hammer.

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<v Speaker 1>And he realized there's such a thing as octaves, and

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<v Speaker 1>that like, these were the discoveries they were making and

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<v Speaker 1>so as did some really cool stuff. It is and

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<v Speaker 1>like just stuff we take for granted is like just

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact today, like they were figuring out.

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<v Speaker 1>They also seemed to have taken a lot of maybe

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<v Speaker 1>mushrooms at the time. And then it got weird. They

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<v Speaker 1>were drinking reindeer p I'm not sure, but they really

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<v Speaker 1>went down the rabbit hole with numbers and start did

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<v Speaker 1>finding these things everywhere, and came to the conclusion that

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<v Speaker 1>numbers were the basis of the fabric of existence in

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<v Speaker 1>life and the universe and everything, and that the the

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<v Speaker 1>the answer to the purpose of life, the perfect purpose

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<v Speaker 1>of existence, was forty two. All right, I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good set up, Thank you. All right, well's let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a break now and we'll talk more. We'll maybe

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<v Speaker 1>shout out some more personal friends and friends of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'll also talk about numerology. Alright. So you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the Pythagoreans, the people who us into and followed

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<v Speaker 1>Pythagoras there in southern Italy and studied with him. They

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<v Speaker 1>also came up with some some legit bedrock math that

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<v Speaker 1>we still think of today and used today. Like if

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever heard of the Pythagorean theorem. It's still very

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<v Speaker 1>popular in math class. In maths. Yeah, everybody's got that

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<v Speaker 1>T shirt when they're in sixth grade. Uh huh uh

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the old uh. In a right triangle, the

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<v Speaker 1>square of the length of the hypothenuse is equal to

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<v Speaker 1>the some of the squares of the other two sides.

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<v Speaker 1>A squared plus B squared equals C squared. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting that they were coming up with all this

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<v Speaker 1>bedrock stuff and this really cool stuff about figuring out

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<v Speaker 1>mathematical mathematical proportions of musical harmonies like you were talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, I'm so down with all that. And then

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<v Speaker 1>someone goes, hey, you know, if you add up a

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<v Speaker 1>series of odd numbers beginning with one, the result is

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<v Speaker 1>always going to be a square number. And everyone went, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. And then Pythagoras said, yeah, all his number.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they all together said, all his number, that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly how And from there things got a little weird,

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<v Speaker 1>and some people here, all his number and they say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that means that you can just measure everything in the

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<v Speaker 1>entire world and you can describe it in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>math and numbers and proportions. Fair enough, that's basically the

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<v Speaker 1>basis of our understanding of like geometry and physics. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and then other people said no, no, no no, all his number,

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<v Speaker 1>man means like everything in the world is made of numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>That tree is a number. You are a number because

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<v Speaker 1>they're licking those toads. Yes, and in the background of

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<v Speaker 1>reindeer peas quietly into a bucket. So bucket is then

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<v Speaker 1>distributed into small mugs. That's that second part of all

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<v Speaker 1>his number is um. That's that's the basis of numerology.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where it kind of veers away from science.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was reading this, Um, Veers, it takes a

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<v Speaker 1>really hard turn. Ye, didn't that what Veers means? I

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<v Speaker 1>think veer is a very gentle turn. Oh, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, okay, Corene's away from science. Yeah, there what

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking Okay? All right? Um, So I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting article on b v D M B B

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<v Speaker 1>B b v D b b g D open mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember, um, but they were they were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Pythagoras and the Pythagorines and how they're like this

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<v Speaker 1>full chrome where numbers went from mystical things having a

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<v Speaker 1>mystical quality to bringing them into science and then taking

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<v Speaker 1>it right back into mysticism again, which is really odd,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's that's really what happened. And it was part

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<v Speaker 1>partially because they got so wrapped up in the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that all his number and they were a really weird

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<v Speaker 1>group of people. They met their end really violently, um

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<v Speaker 1>in southern Italy, uh, where their their school was sacked

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<v Speaker 1>and burned. At least fifty of them were killed. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you said, they had created like a real

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<v Speaker 1>foundation for our understanding of math and the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>math was this thing that exists out there waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>us to discover and that it has a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>do with our life. But that the mystical qualities associated

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<v Speaker 1>kind of died with Pythagoras and the Pythagoreans. That's right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I mean, should we get into a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of kind of what they were laying down there? Yeah, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>So they were studying these mathematical concepts and they said,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna sort

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<v Speaker 1>numbers into buckets, into categories. Not not the reindeer p bucket,

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<v Speaker 1>but into mathematical categories, so levers we can pull. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just say, let's say one, four, and nine are

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<v Speaker 1>square because, uh, if you take pebbles, the corresponding number

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<v Speaker 1>of little pebbles or rocks or whatever, you can arrange

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<v Speaker 1>them into a square. Again, geometry coming into play. Um, one, three, six,

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<v Speaker 1>and ten are triangular because one, three, six, or ten

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<v Speaker 1>little pebbles can be arranged into regular triangles. The use

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<v Speaker 1>of one is both the square and a triangle. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I dispute that too. You're gonna have to pick one

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<v Speaker 1>or the other. Pythagoreans alright, so it would be falling

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<v Speaker 1>apart for you already if you were back there, just

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<v Speaker 1>there though, just there everything else. I was like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all is number, Give me some more, baby, Uh, two,

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<v Speaker 1>six and twelve or oblong. So the corresponding number is

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<v Speaker 1>a rectangle. And so they're doing this kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they start getting into non numerical stuff and saying,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, odd numbers are masculine. Even numbers are feminine. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the number one is creative because if you add multiple ones,

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<v Speaker 1>you can create any other number. Bro, what what else

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<v Speaker 1>is there? Well? To um, so odd is masculine, even

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<v Speaker 1>are feminine. Like you said, so two is the first

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<v Speaker 1>feminine number. It represents duality there two. Um. Three is

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<v Speaker 1>the first masculine number because like you said, one is

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<v Speaker 1>its own thing. It's a creator number. And so uh

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<v Speaker 1>five yeah, five is the is represents marriage because it's

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<v Speaker 1>where the first masculine number in the first feminine number.

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<v Speaker 1>Um add up to just stuff like that, Like these

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<v Speaker 1>people clearly a way too much time on their hands

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<v Speaker 1>to think of something like that, um. And so like

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<v Speaker 1>each number one through nine, this is very important because

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't say it earlier when we introduced numerology, but

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<v Speaker 1>in numerological systems, one through nine are the prime and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean that mathematically, the most important, the most used,

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<v Speaker 1>the most useful numbers, right, Um, So one through nine

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<v Speaker 1>are the ones to focus on, and that also came

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<v Speaker 1>directly from the Pythagoreans. They focused mostly on the numbers

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<v Speaker 1>one through nine as well, right uh. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>a goal for a lot of these charts is to

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<v Speaker 1>get your number down to one of those single digits eventually, right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was for for most systems, and with most numbers

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about it, but yes, you ultimately want to

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<v Speaker 1>get it down to one of those single digit numbers. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because you can't be ten because ten is a sacred number.

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<v Speaker 1>Because someone said, you know, if you add up the

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<v Speaker 1>first four digits, it equals ten. Bro, And they did

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. They did stuff like that. But also

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to point out one of the other

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<v Speaker 1>things they did that. I'm like, I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>these existed, so I'm I'm still impressed. They were the

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<v Speaker 1>first ones to detect perfect numbers. And a perfect number

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<v Speaker 1>is a number where the divisors add up to form

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<v Speaker 1>the number. So six is a perfect number because if

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<v Speaker 1>you add as divisors devisors being one, two, and three,

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<v Speaker 1>they add up to six. So I mean there is

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<v Speaker 1>some neat stuff that is actually I think useful that

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<v Speaker 1>came out of it. But yes, other of other other

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is like, yes, ten is sacred because if you

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<v Speaker 1>add up one to three and four it comes up

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<v Speaker 1>to ten. It's like, what about five, six, seven, eight,

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<v Speaker 1>and nine? Jack, just canna ignore those? Yes, yes, we

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<v Speaker 1>are yes. The number ten also led to the list

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<v Speaker 1>of ten fundamental opposites um a few of which are

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<v Speaker 1>one and many rest in motion good and evil stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Yeah, straight and crooked, sure, light and dark,

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<v Speaker 1>straight and crooked, yin and yang. That's not in there,

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<v Speaker 1>is it? You had to look? All right? So look,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. Because there was a really ironic end

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<v Speaker 1>to the Pythagoreans because they look too hard into numbers

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<v Speaker 1>and how numbers related to the universe, that they actually

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<v Speaker 1>found that everything doesn't fit into some neat and tidy

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<v Speaker 1>box like they thought. And supposedly one of the Pythagoreans

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of hanging around doing some equations and formula

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<v Speaker 1>at some point and tried to come up with the

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<v Speaker 1>square root of two and discovered the existence of irrational numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>And an irrational number is a number that has a

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<v Speaker 1>non repeating, non terminating decimal. It just goes on infinitely

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<v Speaker 1>like pie is an irrational number. The square root of two,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Pythagorines figured as an irrational number, and it

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<v Speaker 1>can't be represented in a simple fraction like every other number.

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<v Speaker 1>Rational numbers is what they're called. And apparently when they

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<v Speaker 1>found this out, it kind of like their worldview crumbled.

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<v Speaker 1>Do all his number thing crumbled because they couldn't figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how this would apply to like an orderly, beautiful universe. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently they even before they were sacked and burned

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<v Speaker 1>and killed. They the school kind of like fell into

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<v Speaker 1>dark times once they figured out there were such things

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<v Speaker 1>as irrational numbers. Yeah, that's what happens when you're in

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<v Speaker 1>a cult. Yeah, kind of your face with reality and

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<v Speaker 1>it usually doesn't go very well. So after the death

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<v Speaker 1>of Pythagoras and the Pythagoreans, um, the mysticism, all this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff kind of faded away a little bit and was

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<v Speaker 1>resurrected in the eighteen hundreds, um, kind of notably with

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<v Speaker 1>the writings of a book from Mrs l. Dal Baallyette

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<v Speaker 1>a k A. Josie. I don't get it that was

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<v Speaker 1>her name, Okay. I think her husband's name was l.

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<v Speaker 1>Dal Her name was Joseph Jane Josie Balliette. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking up anything on this this person, and like

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<v Speaker 1>she is just nowhere. Um. But she wrote a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of books, but very little is known about her except

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<v Speaker 1>she died at age eighty four in Atlantic City. I

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<v Speaker 1>read very interesting. But she was the first one to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of come along and say vibrations, right. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there were there were other people that were

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<v Speaker 1>writing books and stuff. It didn't like completely completely go away.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think these books that talked about vibrations and

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<v Speaker 1>that talked about music and numbers and colors being you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a little bit of synesthigious sort of thrown

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<v Speaker 1>in here as well. If some of this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>sounds familiar with colors and numbers representing like the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And so she was talking about everything and all these

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<v Speaker 1>numbers having vibrations. Uh, people, food, a tree, a bicycle,

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<v Speaker 1>anything has a vibration. And if you and this idea

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<v Speaker 1>that I spoke about earlier, if you want to live

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<v Speaker 1>in harmony in the world, then your environment should and

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers of your environment that have been assigned need

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<v Speaker 1>to match your own vibration in your own number. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is where it definitely this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what we think of as modern numerology at this point. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing, one interesting thing about vibrations, especially sleep about

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<v Speaker 1>like an old timey nineteenth century writer, new age writer

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<v Speaker 1>basically talking about vibrations, um is that that's that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>the basis of some of the theories of how subatomic

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<v Speaker 1>particles behave vibrations, like string theories, based on the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that subatomic particles are actually vibrating strings of energy that

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<v Speaker 1>vibrate at different frequencies, and that those differing frequencies produce

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<v Speaker 1>their shape or their form um, which is I just

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<v Speaker 1>find that endlessly fascinating that it's almost, in some weird

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<v Speaker 1>way predicted string theory. But is it just one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things where it's like, yeah, I mean vibrations, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if you're into things like music, Um, it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>that far of a stretch or was it like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they were tapped into some sort of weird preternatural understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of subatomic physics. Yeah, super interesting. Pythagoras also believed that

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<v Speaker 1>this vibration could have had some thing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>what was called the music of the spheres, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what he believed like the planets were embedded in these

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<v Speaker 1>transparent physical spheres, and the distance between them corresponded to

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<v Speaker 1>these musical ratios, and these are the sounds that the

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<v Speaker 1>planets that these vibrations that the planets in the Sun

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<v Speaker 1>make while orbiting the Earth. Were the little off on

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<v Speaker 1>that one when they wasn't that on the Golden Records?

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't Carl Sagan create like an homage to that on

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<v Speaker 1>the Golden records. I think so I knew it sounded familiar.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about it before. I do also want to

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<v Speaker 1>shout out a company if you're looking to get a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the best wind chime that you can buy. No,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a company out of Boston called Music of the Spheres.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh cool, and they're amazing, like you can get it's

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<v Speaker 1>I've got several sets in different places and they they're

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<v Speaker 1>just I wanted to shout them out for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>because when someone just makes something great, you know this,

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<v Speaker 1>This ain't no uh big box wind chime. Wind chimes

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<v Speaker 1>are us these beautiful sounds. No, it's a Music of

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<v Speaker 1>the sphere. So so wait a minute. You're you're poking

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<v Speaker 1>fun at people who are talking about how ten is

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<v Speaker 1>a holy number because one through four it up to

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<v Speaker 1>ten and you have multiple wind chimes at your house.

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<v Speaker 1>I love wind chimes. I got one of those big

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.640
<v Speaker 1>doggers at my camp, like way up in a tree,

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<v Speaker 1>and these things, I mean, it took a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>get them up there. They're heavy, but they're like five

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<v Speaker 1>ft long. They're these I'm sure the girls are really

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<v Speaker 1>happy you've moved in. Hey, we still bears despite the chime.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh is the bear back? Has it been back? No?

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<v Speaker 1>But I put the chime up and the bear came afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>So I think they're attracted to it. I got you

0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:45.840
<v Speaker 1>sase bears come get a picnic basket. So, uh, where

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<v Speaker 1>are we here? Well, we're talking about modern numerology, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we should talk a little bit about I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>should we take a break and then talk about that?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're right, Chuck, I think all right, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>take a break and we'll talk about sort of modern

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<v Speaker 1>numerology and how we come up with our own numbers

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<v Speaker 1>and what that even means right after this? All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we talked to talk about how one through nine

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<v Speaker 1>are inherently important to UM modern numerologists and the Pythagoreans

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<v Speaker 1>to right correct, and that each of those numbers one

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<v Speaker 1>through nine has its own vibration, and those vibrations give

0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:55.919
<v Speaker 1>that number certain property. And I'm talking properties like um leadership, harmony, karma, wisdom, curiosity,

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<v Speaker 1>like intangible but important properties that humans could conceivably possess

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<v Speaker 1>numbers in these numbers, different numbers inherently have. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>And depending on what system you're using, there is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a chart that where a letter corresponds with

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<v Speaker 1>the number is usually and can be as easy as

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<v Speaker 1>A as one, B as two, and so on and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>like we said, there there are a lot of different

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of charts. So depending on which system you're using,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to use that chart and and what you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do is eventually end up with that single digit number.

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<v Speaker 1>So unless there are a couple of exceptions of that, right, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to those. But there there are a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of different numbers that you can get. You can use

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<v Speaker 1>your name like your first, middle and last name by birth. Um.

0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 1>I saw here in this article where it said you

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<v Speaker 1>have to use your birth name. Nicknames and change names

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<v Speaker 1>don't count. But I also saw other places where when

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<v Speaker 1>you change your name and that changes your destiny and

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<v Speaker 1>so you're supposed to refigure that. I saw one place

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<v Speaker 1>that allowed for nicknames in addition to given names, but

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<v Speaker 1>almost everywhere else said no, your birth name is the

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<v Speaker 1>one that's important. And the reason they gave is the

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<v Speaker 1>same reason that's in this article. That before you're born,

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<v Speaker 1>you basically communicate to your parents what your name should be,

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<v Speaker 1>so that your given name is going to suit your

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<v Speaker 1>your numerological number and that you're destined to have. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where you get it from. That's where your parents

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.680
<v Speaker 1>get your name from. Is actually from you little psychic

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:39.040
<v Speaker 1>baby in the womb. Yeah, And I think the idea

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.000
<v Speaker 1>is if you use your name to come up with

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<v Speaker 1>a number, Like there's a couple of different numbers. There's

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.359
<v Speaker 1>your name number and then your birthdate number, and your

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 1>name number is kind of your personality and the interview

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<v Speaker 1>where your birth number is your what can has been

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.720
<v Speaker 1>referred to as like your life path number or your

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<v Speaker 1>destiny number. And using these two numbers, you can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of if you're into this kind of thing, you can

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<v Speaker 1>make decisions on how to move forward in your life

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<v Speaker 1>and align these numbers with the rest of your life. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the destiny number and will explain how you

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:14.680
<v Speaker 1>get that. That's derived from your name. That that's how

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:18.159
<v Speaker 1>you'll reach the goals that are part of your life

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<v Speaker 1>path number. Right, So, um, it's actually really interesting stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Um to start with the destiny number also called the

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 1>expression number. Um, you take that full name. Uh. From

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 1>what I saw from birth, I hadn't seen that You're

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 1>you're choosing a different name, altered your path that's pretty interesting. Um.

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>But if you stick with just your your chosen name,

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 1>it has to be your full given name at birth, first,

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 1>middle and last name. And if you'll have the middle name,

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:48.440
<v Speaker 1>that's okay. You can just see your first and last

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 1>name and that when you add up the numbers UM

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 1>from the corresponding letters UH from from each of your names,

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 1>you come up with UM three members. You add this together,

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 1>so for example, Chuck, your first name, Charles is thirty.

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Wayne comes up to twenty three. Brianthagoras is my other

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:12.400
<v Speaker 1>middle name, briant Um adds up to twenty six. If

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 1>you add those together, you get seventy nine. Well, seventy

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 1>nine is virtually meaningless as far as numerology is concerned,

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 1>so you want to add seven and nine, you get sixteen,

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>getting closer, but still not not really useful. So you

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>had one in six and now we finally come to

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 1>your true destiny number, Chuck, which is seven. Right, So

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>seven is my uh destiny number. And if you look up,

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>you can look up like attributes for each of these numbers.

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 1>And this is where it's basically I mean, if you're

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 1>thinking this sounds like astrology and horoscopes or the zodiological

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>birth calendars. Like, you're right, all of this stuff is

0:28:53.040 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of that. So seven means uh is magic, wisdom, intelligence, mystery, solitude,

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 1>that's you all over. What's your number? I'm a nine,

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and interestingly there's different. Well, I'm a nine from my

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>life path number. I'm not sure from my name number.

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>All right, so we're both nines on the life path number,

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.479
<v Speaker 1>which I looked up a thing that said your life

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 1>path number is a number of completion resolution. Those with

0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>number nine and this for both of us tend to

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 1>have a humanitarian and almost a utopian quality to their being.

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Because we're compassionate and philip philanthropical, we are likely to

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>be drawn towards global issues that deal with the helping

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 1>of the whole human kind in the world. But Josh,

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 1>we need to be wary of over extending ourselves and

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 1>sacrificing too much of ourselves uh, and losing the greater

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 1>perspective in the pursuit of pursuit of our goals. We

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>have to learn to say no sometimes. In other words, yeah,

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 1>we've gotten better about that over the years, and that

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>is definitely and that well, that's because we're there following

0:29:56.800 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>our our um, we're following destiny numbers towards our life

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 1>path number. So what that you just kind of like

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>said of something I think is really important to point

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>out about numerology that you're gonna encounter if you get

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 1>a numerological reading, is the number has the best of

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 1>you and the stuff you need to avoid. It's all

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 1>encompassed in that one number. And you have multiple numbers,

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.040
<v Speaker 1>so each of those have things to avoid, things to

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 1>focus on, things to improve on, things to things that

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 1>are going to challenge you in your life, which I

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 1>find pretty interesting. Yeah, And you know it gets more

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>complicated than that too. If you want to drill down.

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>There are numerologists you use these big charts and diagrams

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 1>that end up kind of looking like at astrological charts.

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 1>And you know that's when they're sort of drilling down to, um,

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>how you relate to people in your family maybe, or

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 1>to the person you're married to, or if you want

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:57.959
<v Speaker 1>to find if you want to find a romantic partner,

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>or avoid negative tendencies, or just find out what you're

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 1>lucky number lucky day is. Yeah, and also there's um

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 1>some systems that I've seen multiple places that just rely

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>almost like shorthand on the date of your birth, So

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 1>the day of the month that you were born on,

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 1>like that's it. So like I was born on July fifteen,

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 1>so that would make me a six. And that's it.

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 1>That's what they use. They don't do the name thing.

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 1>They don't do your whole birthday. They just do the

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 1>day of the month that you were born on, almost

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>like much much more like a zodeological sign or astrological

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 1>sign um. And so as a six, I can do

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 1>things like I need to look for foods that are pale,

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>purple and blue. Those are going to vibrate with me

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>most most harmoniously. I should live in a city, maybe

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Madras or Baton Rouge, surprising to me. And then I

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>should associate mostly with number fives. It turns out that

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm most harmonious with them. Is you me a five?

0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I know she's a three, I think

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, she's thirty, so she's a she's a ten.

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>That's very nice, Emily, and we are ten's that's why

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>we married them. Let's just go with eleven. Mine goes

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>to eleven. Uh, I love that um. And this is

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 1>this is actual in the House of works article. I

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>can't believe you found one that we haven't mined yet.

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>But this is from Tracy Wilson. Are are still colleague

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 1>almost in former because we just don't see them anymore?

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Which of the of the virus? But are you about no, no, no,

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 1>over at stuff you miss in history class with Holly right,

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>are you about to out her from as as a numerologist? No,

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>as a determined Harry Potter fan. Oh, I didn't even

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 1>think about that. This all makes sense. Now there's a

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 1>lot of Harry Potter in this There is a lot

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>of Harry Potter, and this articles all makes sense now.

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Casey's defense was written in two thousand eight, when like,

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, the kind of thing that's super hip. But uh, yeah,

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty funny how much Harry Potter pops up. Yeah,

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>she's Harry Potter as the example of like forming that

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>or finding Harry Potter's number and all that. And in

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the intro to she talks about her maiam e practicing

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 1>or rhythmancy. Yeah, which is a big deal in Harry Potter.

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>But I brought it up because Tracy referred to uh,

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>and she's probably not the first, but she referred to

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:29.959
<v Speaker 1>numerology as a version a kind of applied mysticism, And

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>I like that definition basically where you correlate a mystical

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:37.440
<v Speaker 1>symbol with somebody's life. Uh. I think that kind of

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 1>says it best. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>things you could do UM that kind of fall under

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 1>the New Age umbrella as far as like numerology astrology,

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 1>where you can you can look at it a couple

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>of ways, like you can give responsibility responsibility for your

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>life over to your numerological number or your astrological sign,

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 1>associate with some people and stay away from other people

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>or certain foods or whatever, and just kind of like

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 1>not have to think about life quite as much or

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 1>make your own decisions. That's like the bigger criticism of

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 1>New Age stuff, But there's a much more generous way

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>of interpreting it too, and saying like, you know, if

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.880
<v Speaker 1>you're feeling a little lost or unmoored or unrooted and

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:24.319
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to like figure out what direction to kind

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 1>of set your compass in, you could do worse than

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, doing your numerological sign and being like, oh,

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 1>I should focus on being more creative and need to

0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 1>look out for UM. Being too dependent on others. Does

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 1>that apply to me? Maybe it does. Let me just

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of go forth from there. And I wouldn't recommend

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 1>doing in a daily numerological thing or anything like that,

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 1>But I'm saying like, in some ways New Age stuff

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 1>can be harmful because it kind of takes it takes

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the purpose out of life for a lot of people.

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 1>But in other other ways it can kind of be

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a guide. And just the same way that like religio

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 1>in or Friends or um a television show that you

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:07.360
<v Speaker 1>think is speaking directly to you, can you know I

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 1>hear you? Do you? I do? Uh? I mean we're

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of at that point. I guess about some criticisms

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 1>and one thing Tracy does mention And I think this

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 1>is just more as an example, not as specifically as

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:24.240
<v Speaker 1>applies to the practice of numerology, but just people believing

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 1>like in a special number in their life and how

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 1>they always see that number. Uh. You know, I I

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 1>know people that see numbers and think that they mean

0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>something like there's a certain number and I always see it,

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>And you know that's sort of that confirmation bias at work. Yes, generally,

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 1>where you notice that number more, you're really seeing all

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.840
<v Speaker 1>kinds of numbers. But you notice eleven eleven on the

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>clock because you've told yourself that eleven eleven means something

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:53.799
<v Speaker 1>to you, or that it does. You know you've heard

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 1>that it does, and you and you don't think about

0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 1>all of the other times that you've seen on the

0:35:58.200 --> 0:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>clock all day, or all the numbers you see all

0:35:59.920 --> 0:36:03.280
<v Speaker 1>the a long and you know that's fair enough. Um.

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I think another criticism of numerology is that it's the

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:11.720
<v Speaker 1>whole thing is based on an invented system of counting,

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>grouping by ten. And that's not even the first or

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I was about to say the most legitimate.

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I guess it was. It's not the original system of counting.

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>It was just made up by people to begin with.

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 1>It's the basis of the metric system. I would say

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:32.319
<v Speaker 1>it's legit, well, not illegitimate, but it was. It was

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:35.760
<v Speaker 1>invented by humans, right, yes, And it's not the only

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:37.719
<v Speaker 1>way that we know how to count. Same as that

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:41.880
<v Speaker 1>like using the the English alphabet to divine your future,

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 1>because you're applying in number an Arabic numeral to the

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:48.239
<v Speaker 1>to a letter from the English alphabet. Those aren't the

0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 1>only number systems or the only alphabet system, so like, yes,

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:55.879
<v Speaker 1>it's made up, and you could make a case like

0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 1>that A numerologist might make is say, well, you were

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 1>born English king in an English speaking country that uses

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Arabic numerals, so of course that's going to apply to you. Um,

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard what the response would be for like

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 1>if you were born in China, where the average person

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 1>needs to know about two thousand different characters in their

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:18.359
<v Speaker 1>alphabet to to make their way through life. Um, like

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 1>how that would apply to numerology? Um, but yes, the

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>basis of this whole thing is like this is like

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 1>there's just so many holes you could drive a truck

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 1>through every single one of them. But if it's providing

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 1>some sort of comfort or um I even guidance to

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.880
<v Speaker 1>somebody who's and it's not hurting them, hurting other people,

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:43.759
<v Speaker 1>damaging their lives or shortening or narrowing their prospects, then

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what's is it harmful? I don't know, I

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:49.800
<v Speaker 1>could be missing something in that sense. I know what

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 1>you mean. And and even if you're if someone would

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 1>be like, yeah, but what about these people that pay

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>money and flush their money down the toilet? Problem with

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:01.160
<v Speaker 1>a numerologist Another person might say, well, you know what,

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:03.360
<v Speaker 1>I think that it's a waste of money talking to

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 1>a therapist who doesn't know you, or they could say

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 1>they're stimulating the economy. Well, the point is it's you know,

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.879
<v Speaker 1>if the person walks away from that experience happy and satisfied,

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 1>then it's a it's a victimless crime. It's not a

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 1>crime at all. It's it's someone paying money for something

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>that they feel like they got something out of. If

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 1>you walk out there and you're like, what a rip off,

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe it. They had ten dollars too for

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>someone to look into a crystal ball or to read

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 1>my numerological chart like, then it's a problem. But if

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 1>if you want to spend your money that way, we're

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:39.360
<v Speaker 1>not gonna yuck your yum. If you feel good about it,

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 1>good on you. Yes, I have one caveat to that though, Okay,

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:48.399
<v Speaker 1>it makes me anxious about about this just signing off

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:51.799
<v Speaker 1>on that, and that is that I feel like this

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 1>resurgence and numerology we're seeing, like I'm sure most of

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 1>the people who are like the younger people are into

0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 1>it today don't realize that like it was huge in

0:38:58.040 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the seventies, and then I apparently was huge in the

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century. It was like like that, it just keeps

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.239
<v Speaker 1>coming back at certain times in certain ways. Is that

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 1>this time that it's come back around, is it's correlated

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 1>with this again, this this death of trust and expertise

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:17.959
<v Speaker 1>and in its anti science sentiment, And in that way,

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:21.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't like anything that promotes an anti science sentiment

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 1>or um makes you believe that your opinion is just

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>as good as somebody who's gone and studied whatever you're

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>talking about for a dozen super yes, So in that sense,

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.319
<v Speaker 1>I do not endorse it if it if it does

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:35.799
<v Speaker 1>kind of promote that. But again, if we can just

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 1>bring it back to if it's just making them happy

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>then you know, and it's not harming them or society

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.319
<v Speaker 1>in general, then I'm good with that. Alright, great, like

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 1>that matters, I guess I took. My big takeaway from

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:52.239
<v Speaker 1>this article was at the very end Tracy kind of

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<v Speaker 1>snuck snuck in a cool fact that I never knew

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<v Speaker 1>was that the we the reason that we here in

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<v Speaker 1>the West count things in groups ten or it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a tin based system, is probably because we have

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<v Speaker 1>ten fingers, and that the old English language and The

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<v Speaker 1>old English words for numbers reflect this groups of ten

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<v Speaker 1>and the eleven. The word eleven means one left, and

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<v Speaker 1>twelve is an abbreviation of two left ye, like one

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<v Speaker 1>left over ten, two left over ten, and then thirds.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the fact of the show for me right here

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<v Speaker 1>at the bey. I think you're right, Chuck, I totally agree. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And that means that we should be seeing twelve in

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<v Speaker 1>twelve in twelve. In is how I'm gonna say twelve

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<v Speaker 1>from now on, I'll be like, look it up and

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<v Speaker 1>then think about thirteen two. That's like three, ten, four, ten, five, ten, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve in twelve twelve. Even if you want to know

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<v Speaker 1>more about numerology, I guess go visit the Bustle or

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<v Speaker 1>numerology dot com and see what you think. See if

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<v Speaker 1>it's right for you. But God help you if you

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<v Speaker 1>stop believing in expertise or become anti science, because that

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<v Speaker 1>is not a good thing anybody. Um, but thinking for

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<v Speaker 1>yourself is as well. So maybe we can figure out

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<v Speaker 1>a way to balance all of that together. Since I said,

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<v Speaker 1>let's figure out a way to balance all that together,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for listening mail. This is from Cassie Sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like Lassie in Statesboro, Georgia. Oh, yeah, down there, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was in reference to the Georgia lizard that

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<v Speaker 1>we had quite a few people right in it is

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<v Speaker 1>is not a leopard, gecko or whatever you said it was.

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<v Speaker 1>That is everyone's wrong but me, okay, because they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have those in this country. Uh, they're big in Pakistan apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>But well that's what I'm here. Yeah, that's probably it

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<v Speaker 1>from my time living in Pakistan. I've never had a

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<v Speaker 1>reason to send an email till now, guys, but here

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<v Speaker 1>it is in response to the short stuff on chameleons.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck was going on about the skinks and Joshua's saying

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<v Speaker 1>that they're geckos. I'm pretty sure that he's wrong because

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<v Speaker 1>way back in ninety nine, my family moved to Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>for Minnesota, and I was living in Minnesota. I worked

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<v Speaker 1>at a pet store that sold lizards among other animals,

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<v Speaker 1>had chamellions, iguanas, geckos and is it pronounced anal a

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<v Speaker 1>n o l e uh leave the gun take the annually?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, well that's ANNUALI Uh. The reason I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>this is because when we moved to Georgia started seeing

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<v Speaker 1>these annolis or anals anals can't be anals everywhere. My

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<v Speaker 1>twelve year old brain was cooking up a scheme to

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<v Speaker 1>catch them and sell them for the going rate back

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<v Speaker 1>in Minnesota, which is twenty dollars each. Uh wow, that

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<v Speaker 1>is that's those are nineties dollars. I know those are

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<v Speaker 1>grunge dollars. I learned that it was against a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of own native species in Georgia, so I didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>through with that plan. If you read this email and

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<v Speaker 1>you get a chance, search Annulli and see if that's

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<v Speaker 1>the szard and that is indeed the lizard Cassie, So

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<v Speaker 1>thank you and others for for figuring that out for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Very nice. Thank you. Cassie rhymes with Lassie. Um, Cassie

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<v Speaker 1>said that right, You didn't say that, that's yeah, she said.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, she's check. Well, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be like Cassie rhymes with lassie, you can write to

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<v Speaker 1>us and tell us your name and what it rhymes

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<v Speaker 1>with and maybe we'll end up reading your email on

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<v Speaker 1>listen to mail, wrap it up, spank it on the annually,

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