Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh
Speaker 1: and there's Chuck, and Chuck's a seven and I'm a nine,
Speaker 1: and this is stuff you should know. Yeah, did you
Speaker 1: figure your years out? Are you a nine? Uh? It
Speaker 1: depends on my UM seven nine for my birth. I'm
Speaker 1: a nine for my UM birth as well my life
Speaker 1: cat number. We're both nines, but you're a you're seven
Speaker 1: for your destiny number if I figured years out, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're all that. That means this all makes sense now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why we were meant to be together on the show.
Speaker 1: It was preordained by the spirit herself. So we're talking
Speaker 1: about numerology, which I guess an overarching definition would be, um,
Speaker 1: it's a pseudo scientific practice in which people base things
Speaker 1: on numbers, like your destiny and who your romantic partner
Speaker 1: should be, and maybe what job you should have and
Speaker 1: stuff like this. Uh. And I just want to say
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this that there are many different
Speaker 1: kinds of numerology, and depending on where you're from, and
Speaker 1: there are many different methods and many different charts, and
Speaker 1: like we're not going to get too far into the
Speaker 1: weeds on those because it's all fake, because it would
Speaker 1: just be a super long, like four our episode on numerology.
Speaker 1: So this is kind of just an overarching how you know,
Speaker 1: that's what we do. It's it's basically how what numerology
Speaker 1: is and how it works, and and not all the
Speaker 1: specificities of each system. Yeah, because your brain starts to
Speaker 1: melt a little bit when you start getting into all that,
Speaker 1: and they're all kind of the same. It's just different
Speaker 1: variations of sort of the same thing. And I think
Speaker 1: the fact that there's so many variations there are supposed
Speaker 1: to arrive at a press slice figure kind of also
Speaker 1: warns the person to take the whole thing with a
Speaker 1: grain of salt. But it's apparently way more popular in
Speaker 1: twenty one century America than I realized. How is it?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I man going to Bustle and The Cut,
Speaker 1: and um, there's numerology dot com and there's a lot
Speaker 1: a lot of sites that have if they're not like
Speaker 1: overtly dedicated to numerology, they have like whole sections dedicated
Speaker 1: to numerology and all that stuff. So the cool kids
Speaker 1: doing it, I think. So I can't tell if it's
Speaker 1: the Millennials or gen Z or I don't know, but
Speaker 1: you're not on their Supreme sweatshirt talking about numbers. That's right.
Speaker 1: I just met someone who works with them, who works
Speaker 1: for Bustle for it, works for Supreme, and we should
Speaker 1: shout out to it's uh master guitar player and is
Speaker 1: this stuff you should know? Fan Matt Sweeney, who in
Speaker 1: the mid nineties had the indie rock sort of math
Speaker 1: rock band and Chavez and now has played with everyone
Speaker 1: from Johnny Cash to Adele. I know him from his
Speaker 1: work with Bonnie Prince Billy and I just saw them
Speaker 1: live and I just got to hang out with Sweeney.
Speaker 1: Had a great four hour dinner with Matt and his
Speaker 1: girlfriend j R. And j R works for Supreme and
Speaker 1: was telling me all about it. Well, that's fantastic. I
Speaker 1: have someone I'd like to shout out. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: I'd like to shout out listener Jimmy McCleod, who deend
Speaker 1: out took um guitar lessons from the same Toledo metal band.
Speaker 1: Guitar that's me. I saw that that was ramusic in Toledo.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, this is all absolutely correct,
Speaker 1: And he said yes. Indeed, like this guy was in
Speaker 1: attentive at best. He would just go out and and
Speaker 1: talk to people in the store in the middle of
Speaker 1: in the middle of the lessons, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, so thank you for that. That was putting
Speaker 1: all those pieces together for me. My brain don't work
Speaker 1: so so good. Yeah, multiple shoutouts. Is there anything else
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Speaker 1: we even get oh supreme right, all right, let's talk
Speaker 1: about numerology. So there is a thought among some people
Speaker 1: that numbers have these mystical properties. That's the basis of
Speaker 1: the whole thing, the basis of the whole thing, and
Speaker 1: that that some people even think that these numbers, like
Speaker 1: all things on the planet, have an inherent vibration and
Speaker 1: a unique vibration. And if you guide your life by
Speaker 1: numbers that have vibrations that are in sync with one another,
Speaker 1: then you can lead a more complete life and lead
Speaker 1: your best life. Yeah, and the way that ties into
Speaker 1: numbers is the idea that that numbers basically run everything.
Speaker 1: That that that the properties that an individual number has
Speaker 1: can be attributed to things that are associated with that number.
Speaker 1: And you can break everything down into a number. And
Speaker 1: if you can break something down, if you can divine
Speaker 1: something's number, you can figure out what lies ahead for them,
Speaker 1: what their personality types going to be, what their challenges are,
Speaker 1: um and it depending on some numerology systems, you could
Speaker 1: figure out what you're lucky day is, what numbers you
Speaker 1: should play in the latto, like all sorts of different stuff.
Speaker 1: But the idea goes well beyond, you know, like picking
Speaker 1: something at roulette. It's it's like the idea numerology is
Speaker 1: very much akin to astrology, where based on your name,
Speaker 1: your date of birth, and a few other factors that
Speaker 1: are inherent to you. If you combine those into a number,
Speaker 1: you can figure out what number you're associated with, and
Speaker 1: hence what your destiny will be. That's basically the general
Speaker 1: basis of all numerological systems, right, and that The father
Speaker 1: of Western numerology is Pythagoras, the Greek philosopher born in
Speaker 1: five sixty nine BC who studied numbers and studied music
Speaker 1: and art and all kinds of things. But I think
Speaker 1: one of the things Pythagoras like to do is say, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you can actually take the the pluck of a of
Speaker 1: a leer string and you can break that down into
Speaker 1: a number, Like that unique vibration of that note has
Speaker 1: its own number that we can assign to it. That
Speaker 1: was huge, Yeah, I mean he was coming at it
Speaker 1: through some interesting angles at first, I think, And this
Speaker 1: was in five sixty nine, This was the twenty first century.
Speaker 1: This is when this probably sounded about a good as
Speaker 1: good as anything. Yeah. Pythagoras and his followers known as
Speaker 1: the Pythagoreans, they that that that school, and I think
Speaker 1: Southern Italy um like they were. They were some of
Speaker 1: the first people to really apply a study of mathematics
Speaker 1: UM and geometry in particular. UM. I think beforehand, geometry
Speaker 1: was I saw it described as basically a loose set
Speaker 1: of principles that that you could use to like build
Speaker 1: a house with or something like that. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: a like math in and of itself until Pythagoras came
Speaker 1: along and they started realizing like, oh wait, like math
Speaker 1: exists on its own, like it's its own thing, and
Speaker 1: started studying it like that, and started finding it everywhere,
Speaker 1: and started like, like you said, you know that I
Speaker 1: saw um a description that the that that Pythagoras and
Speaker 1: the Pythagoreans figured out that um, that music like resonant,
Speaker 1: like music that's not discordant, but the good stuff UM
Speaker 1: is uh like it follows whole integers, and that he
Speaker 1: figured it out by hearing how different hammers in a
Speaker 1: blacksmith's shop harmonized. And he went and looked, and he
Speaker 1: saw that they were those hammers were related mathematically. One
Speaker 1: was say, a one pound hammer, and the other one
Speaker 1: was part of a whole integer, like a half pound hammer.
Speaker 1: And he realized there's such a thing as octaves, and
Speaker 1: that like, these were the discoveries they were making and
Speaker 1: so as did some really cool stuff. It is and
Speaker 1: like just stuff we take for granted is like just
Speaker 1: a matter of fact today, like they were figuring out.
Speaker 1: They also seemed to have taken a lot of maybe
Speaker 1: mushrooms at the time. And then it got weird. They
Speaker 1: were drinking reindeer p I'm not sure, but they really
Speaker 1: went down the rabbit hole with numbers and start did
Speaker 1: finding these things everywhere, and came to the conclusion that
Speaker 1: numbers were the basis of the fabric of existence in
Speaker 1: life and the universe and everything, and that the the
Speaker 1: the answer to the purpose of life, the perfect purpose
Speaker 1: of existence, was forty two. All right, I think that's
Speaker 1: a good set up, Thank you. All right, well's let's
Speaker 1: take a break now and we'll talk more. We'll maybe
Speaker 1: shout out some more personal friends and friends of the show,
Speaker 1: and then we'll also talk about numerology. Alright. So you
Speaker 1: mentioned the Pythagoreans, the people who us into and followed
Speaker 1: Pythagoras there in southern Italy and studied with him. They
Speaker 1: also came up with some some legit bedrock math that
Speaker 1: we still think of today and used today. Like if
Speaker 1: you've ever heard of the Pythagorean theorem. It's still very
Speaker 1: popular in math class. In maths. Yeah, everybody's got that
Speaker 1: T shirt when they're in sixth grade. Uh huh uh
Speaker 1: and that's the old uh. In a right triangle, the
Speaker 1: square of the length of the hypothenuse is equal to
Speaker 1: the some of the squares of the other two sides.
Speaker 1: A squared plus B squared equals C squared. And it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting that they were coming up with all this
Speaker 1: bedrock stuff and this really cool stuff about figuring out
Speaker 1: mathematical mathematical proportions of musical harmonies like you were talking about,
Speaker 1: and like, I'm so down with all that. And then
Speaker 1: someone goes, hey, you know, if you add up a
Speaker 1: series of odd numbers beginning with one, the result is
Speaker 1: always going to be a square number. And everyone went, oh, man,
Speaker 1: that's right. And then Pythagoras said, yeah, all his number.
Speaker 1: And then they all together said, all his number, that's
Speaker 1: exactly how And from there things got a little weird,
Speaker 1: and some people here, all his number and they say, well,
Speaker 1: that means that you can just measure everything in the
Speaker 1: entire world and you can describe it in terms of
Speaker 1: math and numbers and proportions. Fair enough, that's basically the
Speaker 1: basis of our understanding of like geometry and physics. Yes,
Speaker 1: and then other people said no, no, no no, all his number,
Speaker 1: man means like everything in the world is made of numbers.
Speaker 1: That tree is a number. You are a number because
Speaker 1: they're licking those toads. Yes, and in the background of
Speaker 1: reindeer peas quietly into a bucket. So bucket is then
Speaker 1: distributed into small mugs. That's that second part of all
Speaker 1: his number is um. That's that's the basis of numerology.
Speaker 1: And that's where it kind of veers away from science.
Speaker 1: And I was reading this, Um, Veers, it takes a
Speaker 1: really hard turn. Ye, didn't that what Veers means? I
Speaker 1: think veer is a very gentle turn. Oh, I thought,
Speaker 1: I think, okay, Corene's away from science. Yeah, there what
Speaker 1: you're looking Okay? All right? Um, So I saw a
Speaker 1: really interesting article on b v D M B B
Speaker 1: B b v D b b g D open mind.
Speaker 1: I can't remember, um, but they were they were talking
Speaker 1: about Pythagoras and the Pythagorines and how they're like this
Speaker 1: full chrome where numbers went from mystical things having a
Speaker 1: mystical quality to bringing them into science and then taking
Speaker 1: it right back into mysticism again, which is really odd,
Speaker 1: but that's that's really what happened. And it was part
Speaker 1: partially because they got so wrapped up in the idea
Speaker 1: that all his number and they were a really weird
Speaker 1: group of people. They met their end really violently, um
Speaker 1: in southern Italy, uh, where their their school was sacked
Speaker 1: and burned. At least fifty of them were killed. Um.
Speaker 1: But like you said, they had created like a real
Speaker 1: foundation for our understanding of math and the idea that
Speaker 1: math was this thing that exists out there waiting for
Speaker 1: us to discover and that it has a lot to
Speaker 1: do with our life. But that the mystical qualities associated
Speaker 1: kind of died with Pythagoras and the Pythagoreans. That's right, Um,
Speaker 1: I guess I mean, should we get into a little
Speaker 1: bit of kind of what they were laying down there? Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: So they were studying these mathematical concepts and they said,
Speaker 1: all right, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna sort
Speaker 1: numbers into buckets, into categories. Not not the reindeer p bucket,
Speaker 1: but into mathematical categories, so levers we can pull. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just say, let's say one, four, and nine are
Speaker 1: square because, uh, if you take pebbles, the corresponding number
Speaker 1: of little pebbles or rocks or whatever, you can arrange
Speaker 1: them into a square. Again, geometry coming into play. Um, one, three, six,
Speaker 1: and ten are triangular because one, three, six, or ten
Speaker 1: little pebbles can be arranged into regular triangles. The use
Speaker 1: of one is both the square and a triangle. It's like,
Speaker 1: I dispute that too. You're gonna have to pick one
Speaker 1: or the other. Pythagoreans alright, so it would be falling
Speaker 1: apart for you already if you were back there, just
Speaker 1: there though, just there everything else. I was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all is number, Give me some more, baby, Uh, two,
Speaker 1: six and twelve or oblong. So the corresponding number is
Speaker 1: a rectangle. And so they're doing this kind of thing,
Speaker 1: and then they start getting into non numerical stuff and saying,
Speaker 1: all right, odd numbers are masculine. Even numbers are feminine. Uh,
Speaker 1: the number one is creative because if you add multiple ones,
Speaker 1: you can create any other number. Bro, what what else
Speaker 1: is there? Well? To um, so odd is masculine, even
Speaker 1: are feminine. Like you said, so two is the first
Speaker 1: feminine number. It represents duality there two. Um. Three is
Speaker 1: the first masculine number because like you said, one is
Speaker 1: its own thing. It's a creator number. And so uh
Speaker 1: five yeah, five is the is represents marriage because it's
Speaker 1: where the first masculine number in the first feminine number.
Speaker 1: Um add up to just stuff like that, Like these
Speaker 1: people clearly a way too much time on their hands
Speaker 1: to think of something like that, um. And so like
Speaker 1: each number one through nine, this is very important because
Speaker 1: we didn't say it earlier when we introduced numerology, but
Speaker 1: in numerological systems, one through nine are the prime and
Speaker 1: I don't mean that mathematically, the most important, the most used,
Speaker 1: the most useful numbers, right, Um, So one through nine
Speaker 1: are the ones to focus on, and that also came
Speaker 1: directly from the Pythagoreans. They focused mostly on the numbers
Speaker 1: one through nine as well, right uh. And I think
Speaker 1: a goal for a lot of these charts is to
Speaker 1: get your number down to one of those single digits eventually, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was for for most systems, and with most numbers
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it, but yes, you ultimately want to
Speaker 1: get it down to one of those single digit numbers. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you can't be ten because ten is a sacred number.
Speaker 1: Because someone said, you know, if you add up the
Speaker 1: first four digits, it equals ten. Bro, And they did
Speaker 1: stuff like that. They did stuff like that. But also
Speaker 1: I just want to point out one of the other
Speaker 1: things they did that. I'm like, I didn't even know
Speaker 1: these existed, so I'm I'm still impressed. They were the
Speaker 1: first ones to detect perfect numbers. And a perfect number
Speaker 1: is a number where the divisors add up to form
Speaker 1: the number. So six is a perfect number because if
Speaker 1: you add as divisors devisors being one, two, and three,
Speaker 1: they add up to six. So I mean there is
Speaker 1: some neat stuff that is actually I think useful that
Speaker 1: came out of it. But yes, other of other other
Speaker 1: stuff is like, yes, ten is sacred because if you
Speaker 1: add up one to three and four it comes up
Speaker 1: to ten. It's like, what about five, six, seven, eight,
Speaker 1: and nine? Jack, just canna ignore those? Yes, yes, we
Speaker 1: are yes. The number ten also led to the list
Speaker 1: of ten fundamental opposites um a few of which are
Speaker 1: one and many rest in motion good and evil stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, straight and crooked, sure, light and dark,
Speaker 1: straight and crooked, yin and yang. That's not in there,
Speaker 1: is it? You had to look? All right? So look,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Because there was a really ironic end
Speaker 1: to the Pythagoreans because they look too hard into numbers
Speaker 1: and how numbers related to the universe, that they actually
Speaker 1: found that everything doesn't fit into some neat and tidy
Speaker 1: box like they thought. And supposedly one of the Pythagoreans
Speaker 1: was kind of hanging around doing some equations and formula
Speaker 1: at some point and tried to come up with the
Speaker 1: square root of two and discovered the existence of irrational numbers.
Speaker 1: And an irrational number is a number that has a
Speaker 1: non repeating, non terminating decimal. It just goes on infinitely
Speaker 1: like pie is an irrational number. The square root of two,
Speaker 1: like the Pythagorines figured as an irrational number, and it
Speaker 1: can't be represented in a simple fraction like every other number.
Speaker 1: Rational numbers is what they're called. And apparently when they
Speaker 1: found this out, it kind of like their worldview crumbled.
Speaker 1: Do all his number thing crumbled because they couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out how this would apply to like an orderly, beautiful universe. Um.
Speaker 1: And apparently they even before they were sacked and burned
Speaker 1: and killed. They the school kind of like fell into
Speaker 1: dark times once they figured out there were such things
Speaker 1: as irrational numbers. Yeah, that's what happens when you're in
Speaker 1: a cult. Yeah, kind of your face with reality and
Speaker 1: it usually doesn't go very well. So after the death
Speaker 1: of Pythagoras and the Pythagoreans, um, the mysticism, all this
Speaker 1: stuff kind of faded away a little bit and was
Speaker 1: resurrected in the eighteen hundreds, um, kind of notably with
Speaker 1: the writings of a book from Mrs l. Dal Baallyette
Speaker 1: a k A. Josie. I don't get it that was
Speaker 1: her name, Okay. I think her husband's name was l.
Speaker 1: Dal Her name was Joseph Jane Josie Balliette. So I
Speaker 1: was looking up anything on this this person, and like
Speaker 1: she is just nowhere. Um. But she wrote a bunch
Speaker 1: of books, but very little is known about her except
Speaker 1: she died at age eighty four in Atlantic City. I
Speaker 1: read very interesting. But she was the first one to
Speaker 1: kind of come along and say vibrations, right. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: you know, there were there were other people that were
Speaker 1: writing books and stuff. It didn't like completely completely go away.
Speaker 1: But I think these books that talked about vibrations and
Speaker 1: that talked about music and numbers and colors being you know,
Speaker 1: because there's a little bit of synesthigious sort of thrown
Speaker 1: in here as well. If some of this kind of
Speaker 1: sounds familiar with colors and numbers representing like the same thing.
Speaker 1: And so she was talking about everything and all these
Speaker 1: numbers having vibrations. Uh, people, food, a tree, a bicycle,
Speaker 1: anything has a vibration. And if you and this idea
Speaker 1: that I spoke about earlier, if you want to live
Speaker 1: in harmony in the world, then your environment should and
Speaker 1: the numbers of your environment that have been assigned need
Speaker 1: to match your own vibration in your own number. And
Speaker 1: you know, this is where it definitely this is kind
Speaker 1: of what we think of as modern numerology at this point. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One thing, one interesting thing about vibrations, especially sleep about
Speaker 1: like an old timey nineteenth century writer, new age writer
Speaker 1: basically talking about vibrations, um is that that's that's actually
Speaker 1: the basis of some of the theories of how subatomic
Speaker 1: particles behave vibrations, like string theories, based on the idea
Speaker 1: that subatomic particles are actually vibrating strings of energy that
Speaker 1: vibrate at different frequencies, and that those differing frequencies produce
Speaker 1: their shape or their form um, which is I just
Speaker 1: find that endlessly fascinating that it's almost, in some weird
Speaker 1: way predicted string theory. But is it just one of
Speaker 1: those things where it's like, yeah, I mean vibrations, especially
Speaker 1: if you're into things like music, Um, it's not like
Speaker 1: that far of a stretch or was it like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were tapped into some sort of weird preternatural understanding
Speaker 1: of subatomic physics. Yeah, super interesting. Pythagoras also believed that
Speaker 1: this vibration could have had some thing to do with
Speaker 1: what was called the music of the spheres, which is
Speaker 1: what he believed like the planets were embedded in these
Speaker 1: transparent physical spheres, and the distance between them corresponded to
Speaker 1: these musical ratios, and these are the sounds that the
Speaker 1: planets that these vibrations that the planets in the Sun
Speaker 1: make while orbiting the Earth. Were the little off on
Speaker 1: that one when they wasn't that on the Golden Records?
Speaker 1: Didn't Carl Sagan create like an homage to that on
Speaker 1: the Golden records. I think so I knew it sounded familiar.
Speaker 1: We talked about it before. I do also want to
Speaker 1: shout out a company if you're looking to get a
Speaker 1: kind of the best wind chime that you can buy. No,
Speaker 1: there's a company out of Boston called Music of the Spheres.
Speaker 1: Oh cool, and they're amazing, like you can get it's
Speaker 1: I've got several sets in different places and they they're
Speaker 1: just I wanted to shout them out for a while,
Speaker 1: because when someone just makes something great, you know this,
Speaker 1: This ain't no uh big box wind chime. Wind chimes
Speaker 1: are us these beautiful sounds. No, it's a Music of
Speaker 1: the sphere. So so wait a minute. You're you're poking
Speaker 1: fun at people who are talking about how ten is
Speaker 1: a holy number because one through four it up to
Speaker 1: ten and you have multiple wind chimes at your house.
Speaker 1: I love wind chimes. I got one of those big
Speaker 1: doggers at my camp, like way up in a tree,
Speaker 1: and these things, I mean, it took a lot to
Speaker 1: get them up there. They're heavy, but they're like five
Speaker 1: ft long. They're these I'm sure the girls are really
Speaker 1: happy you've moved in. Hey, we still bears despite the chime.
Speaker 1: Oh is the bear back? Has it been back? No?
Speaker 1: But I put the chime up and the bear came afterwards,
Speaker 1: So I think they're attracted to it. I got you
Speaker 1: sase bears come get a picnic basket. So, uh, where
Speaker 1: are we here? Well, we're talking about modern numerology, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess we should talk a little bit about I mean,
Speaker 1: should we take a break and then talk about that?
Speaker 1: I think you're right, Chuck, I think all right, we'll
Speaker 1: take a break and we'll talk about sort of modern
Speaker 1: numerology and how we come up with our own numbers
Speaker 1: and what that even means right after this? All right,
Speaker 1: So we talked to talk about how one through nine
Speaker 1: are inherently important to UM modern numerologists and the Pythagoreans
Speaker 1: to right correct, and that each of those numbers one
Speaker 1: through nine has its own vibration, and those vibrations give
Speaker 1: that number certain property. And I'm talking properties like um leadership, harmony, karma, wisdom, curiosity,
Speaker 1: like intangible but important properties that humans could conceivably possess
Speaker 1: numbers in these numbers, different numbers inherently have. That's right,
Speaker 1: And depending on what system you're using, there is going
Speaker 1: to be a chart that where a letter corresponds with
Speaker 1: the number is usually and can be as easy as
Speaker 1: A as one, B as two, and so on and uh,
Speaker 1: like we said, there there are a lot of different
Speaker 1: kinds of charts. So depending on which system you're using,
Speaker 1: you're going to use that chart and and what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do is eventually end up with that single digit number.
Speaker 1: So unless there are a couple of exceptions of that, right, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get to those. But there there are a couple
Speaker 1: of different numbers that you can get. You can use
Speaker 1: your name like your first, middle and last name by birth. Um.
Speaker 1: I saw here in this article where it said you
Speaker 1: have to use your birth name. Nicknames and change names
Speaker 1: don't count. But I also saw other places where when
Speaker 1: you change your name and that changes your destiny and
Speaker 1: so you're supposed to refigure that. I saw one place
Speaker 1: that allowed for nicknames in addition to given names, but
Speaker 1: almost everywhere else said no, your birth name is the
Speaker 1: one that's important. And the reason they gave is the
Speaker 1: same reason that's in this article. That before you're born,
Speaker 1: you basically communicate to your parents what your name should be,
Speaker 1: so that your given name is going to suit your
Speaker 1: your numerological number and that you're destined to have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where you get it from. That's where your parents
Speaker 1: get your name from. Is actually from you little psychic
Speaker 1: baby in the womb. Yeah, And I think the idea
Speaker 1: is if you use your name to come up with
Speaker 1: a number, Like there's a couple of different numbers. There's
Speaker 1: your name number and then your birthdate number, and your
Speaker 1: name number is kind of your personality and the interview
Speaker 1: where your birth number is your what can has been
Speaker 1: referred to as like your life path number or your
Speaker 1: destiny number. And using these two numbers, you can kind
Speaker 1: of if you're into this kind of thing, you can
Speaker 1: make decisions on how to move forward in your life
Speaker 1: and align these numbers with the rest of your life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw the destiny number and will explain how you
Speaker 1: get that. That's derived from your name. That that's how
Speaker 1: you'll reach the goals that are part of your life
Speaker 1: path number. Right, So, um, it's actually really interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: Um to start with the destiny number also called the
Speaker 1: expression number. Um, you take that full name. Uh. From
Speaker 1: what I saw from birth, I hadn't seen that You're
Speaker 1: you're choosing a different name, altered your path that's pretty interesting. Um.
Speaker 1: But if you stick with just your your chosen name,
Speaker 1: it has to be your full given name at birth, first,
Speaker 1: middle and last name. And if you'll have the middle name,
Speaker 1: that's okay. You can just see your first and last
Speaker 1: name and that when you add up the numbers UM
Speaker 1: from the corresponding letters UH from from each of your names,
Speaker 1: you come up with UM three members. You add this together,
Speaker 1: so for example, Chuck, your first name, Charles is thirty.
Speaker 1: Wayne comes up to twenty three. Brianthagoras is my other
Speaker 1: middle name, briant Um adds up to twenty six. If
Speaker 1: you add those together, you get seventy nine. Well, seventy
Speaker 1: nine is virtually meaningless as far as numerology is concerned,
Speaker 1: so you want to add seven and nine, you get sixteen,
Speaker 1: getting closer, but still not not really useful. So you
Speaker 1: had one in six and now we finally come to
Speaker 1: your true destiny number, Chuck, which is seven. Right, So
Speaker 1: seven is my uh destiny number. And if you look up,
Speaker 1: you can look up like attributes for each of these numbers.
Speaker 1: And this is where it's basically I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: thinking this sounds like astrology and horoscopes or the zodiological
Speaker 1: birth calendars. Like, you're right, all of this stuff is
Speaker 1: kind of that. So seven means uh is magic, wisdom, intelligence, mystery, solitude,
Speaker 1: that's you all over. What's your number? I'm a nine,
Speaker 1: and interestingly there's different. Well, I'm a nine from my
Speaker 1: life path number. I'm not sure from my name number.
Speaker 1: All right, so we're both nines on the life path number,
Speaker 1: which I looked up a thing that said your life
Speaker 1: path number is a number of completion resolution. Those with
Speaker 1: number nine and this for both of us tend to
Speaker 1: have a humanitarian and almost a utopian quality to their being.
Speaker 1: Because we're compassionate and philip philanthropical, we are likely to
Speaker 1: be drawn towards global issues that deal with the helping
Speaker 1: of the whole human kind in the world. But Josh,
Speaker 1: we need to be wary of over extending ourselves and
Speaker 1: sacrificing too much of ourselves uh, and losing the greater
Speaker 1: perspective in the pursuit of pursuit of our goals. We
Speaker 1: have to learn to say no sometimes. In other words, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've gotten better about that over the years, and that
Speaker 1: is definitely and that well, that's because we're there following
Speaker 1: our our um, we're following destiny numbers towards our life
Speaker 1: path number. So what that you just kind of like
Speaker 1: said of something I think is really important to point
Speaker 1: out about numerology that you're gonna encounter if you get
Speaker 1: a numerological reading, is the number has the best of
Speaker 1: you and the stuff you need to avoid. It's all
Speaker 1: encompassed in that one number. And you have multiple numbers,
Speaker 1: so each of those have things to avoid, things to
Speaker 1: focus on, things to improve on, things to things that
Speaker 1: are going to challenge you in your life, which I
Speaker 1: find pretty interesting. Yeah, And you know it gets more
Speaker 1: complicated than that too. If you want to drill down.
Speaker 1: There are numerologists you use these big charts and diagrams
Speaker 1: that end up kind of looking like at astrological charts.
Speaker 1: And you know that's when they're sort of drilling down to, um,
Speaker 1: how you relate to people in your family maybe, or
Speaker 1: to the person you're married to, or if you want
Speaker 1: to find if you want to find a romantic partner,
Speaker 1: or avoid negative tendencies, or just find out what you're
Speaker 1: lucky number lucky day is. Yeah, and also there's um
Speaker 1: some systems that I've seen multiple places that just rely
Speaker 1: almost like shorthand on the date of your birth, So
Speaker 1: the day of the month that you were born on,
Speaker 1: like that's it. So like I was born on July fifteen,
Speaker 1: so that would make me a six. And that's it.
Speaker 1: That's what they use. They don't do the name thing.
Speaker 1: They don't do your whole birthday. They just do the
Speaker 1: day of the month that you were born on, almost
Speaker 1: like much much more like a zodeological sign or astrological
Speaker 1: sign um. And so as a six, I can do
Speaker 1: things like I need to look for foods that are pale,
Speaker 1: purple and blue. Those are going to vibrate with me
Speaker 1: most most harmoniously. I should live in a city, maybe
Speaker 1: Madras or Baton Rouge, surprising to me. And then I
Speaker 1: should associate mostly with number fives. It turns out that
Speaker 1: I'm most harmonious with them. Is you me a five?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know she's a three, I think
Speaker 1: because yeah, she's thirty, so she's a she's a ten.
Speaker 1: That's very nice, Emily, and we are ten's that's why
Speaker 1: we married them. Let's just go with eleven. Mine goes
Speaker 1: to eleven. Uh, I love that um. And this is
Speaker 1: this is actual in the House of works article. I
Speaker 1: can't believe you found one that we haven't mined yet.
Speaker 1: But this is from Tracy Wilson. Are are still colleague
Speaker 1: almost in former because we just don't see them anymore?
Speaker 1: Which of the of the virus? But are you about no, no, no,
Speaker 1: over at stuff you miss in history class with Holly right,
Speaker 1: are you about to out her from as as a numerologist? No,
Speaker 1: as a determined Harry Potter fan. Oh, I didn't even
Speaker 1: think about that. This all makes sense. Now there's a
Speaker 1: lot of Harry Potter in this There is a lot
Speaker 1: of Harry Potter, and this articles all makes sense now.
Speaker 1: Casey's defense was written in two thousand eight, when like,
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of thing that's super hip. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty funny how much Harry Potter pops up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's Harry Potter as the example of like forming that
Speaker 1: or finding Harry Potter's number and all that. And in
Speaker 1: the intro to she talks about her maiam e practicing
Speaker 1: or rhythmancy. Yeah, which is a big deal in Harry Potter.
Speaker 1: But I brought it up because Tracy referred to uh,
Speaker 1: and she's probably not the first, but she referred to
Speaker 1: numerology as a version a kind of applied mysticism, And
Speaker 1: I like that definition basically where you correlate a mystical
Speaker 1: symbol with somebody's life. Uh. I think that kind of
Speaker 1: says it best. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things you could do UM that kind of fall under
Speaker 1: the New Age umbrella as far as like numerology astrology,
Speaker 1: where you can you can look at it a couple
Speaker 1: of ways, like you can give responsibility responsibility for your
Speaker 1: life over to your numerological number or your astrological sign,
Speaker 1: associate with some people and stay away from other people
Speaker 1: or certain foods or whatever, and just kind of like
Speaker 1: not have to think about life quite as much or
Speaker 1: make your own decisions. That's like the bigger criticism of
Speaker 1: New Age stuff, But there's a much more generous way
Speaker 1: of interpreting it too, and saying like, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're feeling a little lost or unmoored or unrooted and
Speaker 1: you're trying to like figure out what direction to kind
Speaker 1: of set your compass in, you could do worse than
Speaker 1: you know, doing your numerological sign and being like, oh,
Speaker 1: I should focus on being more creative and need to
Speaker 1: look out for UM. Being too dependent on others. Does
Speaker 1: that apply to me? Maybe it does. Let me just
Speaker 1: kind of go forth from there. And I wouldn't recommend
Speaker 1: doing in a daily numerological thing or anything like that,
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like, in some ways New Age stuff
Speaker 1: can be harmful because it kind of takes it takes
Speaker 1: the purpose out of life for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: But in other other ways it can kind of be
Speaker 1: a guide. And just the same way that like religio
Speaker 1: in or Friends or um a television show that you
Speaker 1: think is speaking directly to you, can you know I
Speaker 1: hear you? Do you? I do? Uh? I mean we're
Speaker 1: kind of at that point. I guess about some criticisms
Speaker 1: and one thing Tracy does mention And I think this
Speaker 1: is just more as an example, not as specifically as
Speaker 1: applies to the practice of numerology, but just people believing
Speaker 1: like in a special number in their life and how
Speaker 1: they always see that number. Uh. You know, I I
Speaker 1: know people that see numbers and think that they mean
Speaker 1: something like there's a certain number and I always see it,
Speaker 1: And you know that's sort of that confirmation bias at work. Yes, generally,
Speaker 1: where you notice that number more, you're really seeing all
Speaker 1: kinds of numbers. But you notice eleven eleven on the
Speaker 1: clock because you've told yourself that eleven eleven means something
Speaker 1: to you, or that it does. You know you've heard
Speaker 1: that it does, and you and you don't think about
Speaker 1: all of the other times that you've seen on the
Speaker 1: clock all day, or all the numbers you see all
Speaker 1: the a long and you know that's fair enough. Um.
Speaker 1: I think another criticism of numerology is that it's the
Speaker 1: whole thing is based on an invented system of counting,
Speaker 1: grouping by ten. And that's not even the first or
Speaker 1: I mean, I was about to say the most legitimate.
Speaker 1: I guess it was. It's not the original system of counting.
Speaker 1: It was just made up by people to begin with.
Speaker 1: It's the basis of the metric system. I would say
Speaker 1: it's legit, well, not illegitimate, but it was. It was
Speaker 1: invented by humans, right, yes, And it's not the only
Speaker 1: way that we know how to count. Same as that
Speaker 1: like using the the English alphabet to divine your future,
Speaker 1: because you're applying in number an Arabic numeral to the
Speaker 1: to a letter from the English alphabet. Those aren't the
Speaker 1: only number systems or the only alphabet system, so like, yes,
Speaker 1: it's made up, and you could make a case like
Speaker 1: that A numerologist might make is say, well, you were
Speaker 1: born English king in an English speaking country that uses
Speaker 1: Arabic numerals, so of course that's going to apply to you. Um,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard what the response would be for like
Speaker 1: if you were born in China, where the average person
Speaker 1: needs to know about two thousand different characters in their
Speaker 1: alphabet to to make their way through life. Um, like
Speaker 1: how that would apply to numerology? Um, but yes, the
Speaker 1: basis of this whole thing is like this is like
Speaker 1: there's just so many holes you could drive a truck
Speaker 1: through every single one of them. But if it's providing
Speaker 1: some sort of comfort or um I even guidance to
Speaker 1: somebody who's and it's not hurting them, hurting other people,
Speaker 1: damaging their lives or shortening or narrowing their prospects, then
Speaker 1: I mean, what's is it harmful? I don't know, I
Speaker 1: could be missing something in that sense. I know what
Speaker 1: you mean. And and even if you're if someone would
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, but what about these people that pay
Speaker 1: money and flush their money down the toilet? Problem with
Speaker 1: a numerologist Another person might say, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: I think that it's a waste of money talking to
Speaker 1: a therapist who doesn't know you, or they could say
Speaker 1: they're stimulating the economy. Well, the point is it's you know,
Speaker 1: if the person walks away from that experience happy and satisfied,
Speaker 1: then it's a it's a victimless crime. It's not a
Speaker 1: crime at all. It's it's someone paying money for something
Speaker 1: that they feel like they got something out of. If
Speaker 1: you walk out there and you're like, what a rip off,
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. They had ten dollars too for
Speaker 1: someone to look into a crystal ball or to read
Speaker 1: my numerological chart like, then it's a problem. But if
Speaker 1: if you want to spend your money that way, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna yuck your yum. If you feel good about it,
Speaker 1: good on you. Yes, I have one caveat to that though, Okay,
Speaker 1: it makes me anxious about about this just signing off
Speaker 1: on that, and that is that I feel like this
Speaker 1: resurgence and numerology we're seeing, like I'm sure most of
Speaker 1: the people who are like the younger people are into
Speaker 1: it today don't realize that like it was huge in
Speaker 1: the seventies, and then I apparently was huge in the
Speaker 1: nineteenth century. It was like like that, it just keeps
Speaker 1: coming back at certain times in certain ways. Is that
Speaker 1: this time that it's come back around, is it's correlated
Speaker 1: with this again, this this death of trust and expertise
Speaker 1: and in its anti science sentiment, And in that way,
Speaker 1: I don't like anything that promotes an anti science sentiment
Speaker 1: or um makes you believe that your opinion is just
Speaker 1: as good as somebody who's gone and studied whatever you're
Speaker 1: talking about for a dozen super yes, So in that sense,
Speaker 1: I do not endorse it if it if it does
Speaker 1: kind of promote that. But again, if we can just
Speaker 1: bring it back to if it's just making them happy
Speaker 1: then you know, and it's not harming them or society
Speaker 1: in general, then I'm good with that. Alright, great, like
Speaker 1: that matters, I guess I took. My big takeaway from
Speaker 1: this article was at the very end Tracy kind of
Speaker 1: snuck snuck in a cool fact that I never knew
Speaker 1: was that the we the reason that we here in
Speaker 1: the West count things in groups ten or it's sort
Speaker 1: of a tin based system, is probably because we have
Speaker 1: ten fingers, and that the old English language and The
Speaker 1: old English words for numbers reflect this groups of ten
Speaker 1: and the eleven. The word eleven means one left, and
Speaker 1: twelve is an abbreviation of two left ye, like one
Speaker 1: left over ten, two left over ten, and then thirds.
Speaker 1: That's the fact of the show for me right here
Speaker 1: at the bey. I think you're right, Chuck, I totally agree. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that means that we should be seeing twelve in
Speaker 1: twelve in twelve. In is how I'm gonna say twelve
Speaker 1: from now on, I'll be like, look it up and
Speaker 1: then think about thirteen two. That's like three, ten, four, ten, five, ten, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: twelve in twelve twelve. Even if you want to know
Speaker 1: more about numerology, I guess go visit the Bustle or
Speaker 1: numerology dot com and see what you think. See if
Speaker 1: it's right for you. But God help you if you
Speaker 1: stop believing in expertise or become anti science, because that
Speaker 1: is not a good thing anybody. Um, but thinking for
Speaker 1: yourself is as well. So maybe we can figure out
Speaker 1: a way to balance all of that together. Since I said,
Speaker 1: let's figure out a way to balance all that together,
Speaker 1: it's time for listening mail. This is from Cassie Sounds
Speaker 1: like Lassie in Statesboro, Georgia. Oh, yeah, down there, that's right.
Speaker 1: So this was in reference to the Georgia lizard that
Speaker 1: we had quite a few people right in it is
Speaker 1: is not a leopard, gecko or whatever you said it was.
Speaker 1: That is everyone's wrong but me, okay, because they don't
Speaker 1: have those in this country. Uh, they're big in Pakistan apparently.
Speaker 1: But well that's what I'm here. Yeah, that's probably it
Speaker 1: from my time living in Pakistan. I've never had a
Speaker 1: reason to send an email till now, guys, but here
Speaker 1: it is in response to the short stuff on chameleons.
Speaker 1: Chuck was going on about the skinks and Joshua's saying
Speaker 1: that they're geckos. I'm pretty sure that he's wrong because
Speaker 1: way back in ninety nine, my family moved to Georgia
Speaker 1: for Minnesota, and I was living in Minnesota. I worked
Speaker 1: at a pet store that sold lizards among other animals,
Speaker 1: had chamellions, iguanas, geckos and is it pronounced anal a
Speaker 1: n o l e uh leave the gun take the annually?
Speaker 1: Oh boy, well that's ANNUALI Uh. The reason I'm saying
Speaker 1: this is because when we moved to Georgia started seeing
Speaker 1: these annolis or anals anals can't be anals everywhere. My
Speaker 1: twelve year old brain was cooking up a scheme to
Speaker 1: catch them and sell them for the going rate back
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, which is twenty dollars each. Uh wow, that
Speaker 1: is that's those are nineties dollars. I know those are
Speaker 1: grunge dollars. I learned that it was against a lot
Speaker 1: of own native species in Georgia, so I didn't go
Speaker 1: through with that plan. If you read this email and
Speaker 1: you get a chance, search Annulli and see if that's
Speaker 1: the szard and that is indeed the lizard Cassie, So
Speaker 1: thank you and others for for figuring that out for us.
Speaker 1: Very nice. Thank you. Cassie rhymes with Lassie. Um, Cassie
Speaker 1: said that right, You didn't say that, that's yeah, she said.
Speaker 1: I was like, she's check. Well, if you want to
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