1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Well, you know, plenty of notes, so get on that. 2 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: I was sick and I got larynchitis, and then I 3 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: kept going out on the New York club scene for 4 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: a week having to yell out over people's voices. And 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: then I was like, hey, now I've permanently damaged my 6 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: vocal cords. Cool, good for me, Yeah, because I don't 7 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: need them at all in my industry. 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: So one thing I was a little scared. Actually, I 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: thought I had nodules, but I didn't go into get 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: it checked out anyway, back didn't have to last question 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: the serious thing. 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: It's coming together. It's called Game It's called Game Change. 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: I love that, yeah good, and love that really good. Yeah. 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: We did a whole thing on Serena so the nineteenth 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: that it will be coming out, I ran into Sandra 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 1: bernhut oh and Judy Gold. Yes, so you've never heard 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: Judy Gold. You know Judy Gold issue commedian, comedian. She's 19 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: fucking I feel like she did a bit at the 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: Lpack event for us. She was out closing act. Oh 21 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: my god, I peed my pants. Although I did tell 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: her yesterday she's got someone she wants to set me 23 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: up with and so I texted her and I said, yeah, 24 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: you know when you're doing a stand up because I'd 25 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: like to come because the lpack piece you made me 26 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: piss my pants. Although I'm forty seven, so it might 27 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: be blade of leakage, but it's a fifty to fifty 28 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: chance it was you. 29 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: See there, you or I'm incutinent, so she gonna help here. 30 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 2: It was somebody. 31 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's already on the works. 32 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: Oh we're teaping. 33 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: Oh great, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. 34 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: Can I use any of that? 35 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: You can use all of it. 36 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: You're the best. You're the best Renee stubs. It's nice 37 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:32,639 Speaker 2: to see your face in person. 38 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: Hey, nice to see your face. 39 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: You survived the US Open series and the US Open. 40 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: I did, and it's been a long summer. 41 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: It has been a long summer. I know we have 42 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 2: seen each other, we've had we've raised some glasses together, 43 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: but we haven't actually taped an episode. 44 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: No, we haven't, not for a while. You know. I 45 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: had this feeling that I was going to grab all 46 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: these players at the US Open and have you know, 47 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: loads of podcasts downloaded for everybody and all our listeners. 48 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: But instead I was working like fourteen hour days and 49 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: was unable to grab forty five minutes with anybody that 50 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to, including Darren Kle But we're going to 51 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: get to him at some point. Yeah, I might grab 52 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: him in China. 53 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: Good you, Just so everyone knows we're both doing your 54 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: normal duties. For ESPN, which were the highest rated I 55 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: saw for years and years. 56 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: Yes, the highest rated for a long time. But the 57 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: women's final got over three million viewers and the men's 58 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: got two million. 59 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: And for the men, don't worry, we're going to get 60 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: to that in a bit. And also I got a 61 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: text from my friend Don. Among the myriad of people 62 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: I met at the US Open, he told me that 63 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: they love our podcast and they love you, and you 64 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: know a lot of them love me. 65 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: Obviously I need more people to love me in other ways. 66 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: But Caitlin, that's a whole different podcast. 67 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: That's our relationship podcast coming soon. 68 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: What is that called We're going to Love School okay. 69 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: With our friend Andrea Pekovich. Yeah, a very very strange 70 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: adventure through romance and advice. But a lot of people, 71 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: including my friend Don, said that you were their favorite commentator. 72 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you, Don, I appreciate that. 73 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: In addition to that, you were coaching. 74 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: I was coaching. Yeah, I got called up a Carolina 75 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: Pushkova literally at the airport at LaGuardia flying to Montreal 76 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: to work for ESPN. She just said, would you finish 77 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: out the year with me? Basically and my obviously my 78 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: commitments to ESPN and not wanting to sort of cross 79 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: pollinate with other players and not have any players being 80 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: basically pissed off at me because I'm supporting one player 81 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: over them and I have to interview them and I 82 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: have to analyze matches. So it's a slight conflict that 83 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to really, you know that I can't 84 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: really avoid at the moment, but I really want to 85 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: help her through the year, and so we'll see where 86 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: that goes and hopefully ESPN. I understand that I'm trying 87 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: to do what I love as well, which is coach. 88 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: I feel like I coach when I commentate. So yeah, 89 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: so do. We're going to finish out the year together 90 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: and we'll see if I can get her back on 91 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: track a little bit, get her confidence up. 92 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: Well, you're not the only commentator who coaches, obviously. Lindsay 93 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: Davenport on the Tennis Channel coaches from time to time 94 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: Madison Keys. Darren Cahill, your ESPN colleague, does a lot 95 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: of coaching, is the main coach for Samona Halp, although 96 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: he comments on men's matches. 97 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: Yes, that's you know, that's sort of where they can 98 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: get around a little bit. He works with the men 99 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: and obviously works, you know, works commentates the men and 100 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: works with a female player, So it doesn't really it's 101 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: not really that bad. So for me, it just you know, 102 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: have this little bit of fine line and making sure 103 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: that all the players understand that I still respect them 104 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: and appreciate all that they do and not try and 105 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, make it uncomfortable for them. 106 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 2: Well, you're bringing an objectivity that I think serves you 107 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: well as a commentator too, which is that you're seeing 108 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: the game in a way that is super super instructive, 109 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: especially for those of us watching along at home, like 110 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 2: your doubles commentating in particular, which makes me just so 111 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: excited to watch more and more doubles, is super super 112 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: useful because that's what most people play recreationally, and not 113 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: that many people watch doubles, but you call doubles in 114 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: a way that you know, very very few people can 115 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: where it's both I'm expot you're involved. 116 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: I'm fully involved. I'm like dissecting the match and seeing 117 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: what I would do in those matches, the US Open finals, 118 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: fabulous match seven six and the third it was match 119 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: points galore for both teams. So one of those teams 120 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: was always going to be disappointed. And in the end 121 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: it was ash Party who and Coco vanderwa who won 122 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: their first Grand Slam title ever together beating Miladanovich and 123 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: Babos who had won these Strain Open earlier this year. 124 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: So they would have been disappointed because they really they 125 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: had a set and had two match points in the 126 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: second set, and then they had I believe a match 127 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: point in the tiebreak as well, so in the third. 128 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: So it was an unbelievably entertaining match. And the great 129 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: thing about it was it had backed up right into 130 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: the men's final. Was it the final? Yeah, the men's 131 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: final on Sunday, so they had an enormous crowd, which 132 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 1: is such a great feeling. That happened to me. Actually 133 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: the first year I won my first Grand Slam in Australia, 134 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: our final took almost three hours, so it had backed 135 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: up into the men's semi final at this train Open, 136 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: so it was an absolutely packed crowd. So for me, 137 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: that moment of winning my first Grand Slam in front 138 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: of my hometown that would have been for Coco, in 139 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: front of this full stadium was amazing because we you know, 140 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: sadly don't get to have that opportunity. And they loved it. 141 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: The crowd loved it, and I'm sure people watching at 142 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: home loved it as well. 143 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: So well, yeah, I sat and watched birth Babo shim 144 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: Ladanovitch as well as a lot of the men's doubles matches, 145 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: and truly, truly in addition to advising people who whenever 146 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: they can should just go and sit and watch elite tennis, 147 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: whether you've heard of the player or not, but also 148 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: make time to watch doubles. It's so great. It's so fast, 149 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: and the crowd really does get into it because you 150 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: can see, you know, all these different tactics and speed 151 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 2: and hand you know, it's it's most cumunic cadible and 152 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: communication and teamwork. 153 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: The mixed doubles was fun, obviously. Beth and Noumadic Sans 154 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: coming back from that knee, massive knee injury last year 155 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: at Wimbledon, came back and one another Grand Slam title 156 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: with Jamie Murray, and Jamie lost in the finals of 157 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: Wimbledon in the mix and then was also the defending 158 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: champion of the mixed doubles at the US Open, So 159 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: back to back wins for him. So that's a great 160 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: continued story for the Murray family and also for Bethan 161 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: pneumatic sants to come back and have that exposure to 162 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: another Slam title. So the US Open was very exciting, 163 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: the doubles and the mixed and of course the singles. 164 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: But we're going to get to that. 165 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: We're going to get to that, okay. So leading up 166 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: to that, let's go through the US Open series. Last 167 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: time we checked in, you were up in Canada. 168 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: I was in San Jose. Then I went to Canada, 169 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: and then I went to Cincinnati to coach Carolina, and 170 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: then I was in New Haven, Connecticut, and then eventually 171 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: onto the US Open. So it was a very busy 172 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: summer for me. San Jose was won by Busenesque and 173 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: then sadly for her, the following week she rolled her 174 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: ankle terribly in Montreal, so sad to see that happen. 175 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: After rising, I believe into the top twenty for the 176 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: first time, and then the Montreal tournament was incredible, as 177 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 1: it always is your hometown, my hometown where they freaking 178 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: love their tennis. It's amazing how much support they get there. 179 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: Given that you can only play it outside for about 180 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: two months a year, they really get excited about it. 181 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: Maybe that's why. 182 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no umbrellas, there's no hats. They're just like 183 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: love in the sun. 184 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: They'reirking up and it was bloody hot. 185 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: But anyway, Simona Hallett played Sloan Stevens in the final. 186 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: That was a great absolutely one of the best matches 187 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: I've seen totally the entire year. It was probably top 188 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: three behind Hallop and Kerber the Austrain Open and the 189 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: Hallop was Aniaki final Theustrain Open. This match was unreal. 190 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know when I sit courtside and do 191 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: these matches and I want to stand up and clap, 192 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: I know it's a good match. Yeah, because I sit 193 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: and watch a lot of fringing tennis. 194 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: What I loved about it is obviously it was a 195 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: replay of the French Open final where we had Halop 196 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: and Sloan and Sloane, I mean, she's unbelievably athletic and 197 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: skilled and turns offense into defense and defense into you know, 198 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: you can't quibble with anything she does on the court. 199 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: But sometimes people, I think, who I've talked to you 200 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: have a hard time getting behind her because it doesn't 201 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: feel like she is emotionally invested. Whether or not that's true. 202 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: You felt it in Montreal. She was in that match. 203 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I think I've seen that since she won the 204 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: US Open. I saw a change in her when she 205 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: came back from her injuries through the summer last year, 206 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: and then obviously the US Open. I think she won 207 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: every match at the US Open, I believe, in almost 208 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: three sets except the final she won comfortably. You're talking 209 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: aout last year again last year at the US Open. Yeah, 210 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: and then obviously she's had you know, she had some 211 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: tough times after that, losing I believe six or seven 212 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: first rounds, including this Train Open. But then when she 213 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: digs her heels in, she becomes this different person. And 214 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: I saw that at the French Open. At the beginning 215 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: of the tournament. I did pick her to get through 216 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: and she did. And then you know, she ran out 217 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: of steam in the third set against Helop because help 218 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: just tortures you literally torches you. Andrew Pekovic just said, 219 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: it's like fucking hell playing her, you know. And then 220 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: in Montreal again upper set. You know, sorry, lost the 221 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: first set, and I thought, well, this will be interesting 222 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: to see what happens. And she dug in again and 223 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: dug in so tough in the second set, and then 224 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: again in the third set, and it was it was 225 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: up and down and you didn't know who's going to win. 226 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: So for me, that was one of the great matches 227 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: I've seen all year. I please pray God that they're 228 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: in many Grand Slam semis or finals in the coming years, 229 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: because they're both young and man, they play some great tennis. 230 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Their matchup is really it's awesome. I would have loved 231 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: to see that anytime through the summer. So then New 232 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: Haven was excuse me, Arena Sabolenka, who had an unbelievable summer. 233 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: Her this girl came back from She's freaking Lazareuth. She 234 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: came back from match points down, left, right and center 235 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: against was Niyaki Plishkov uh because I had to watch 236 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: that Garcia shit, I can't remember. There were so many 237 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: there were so many matches that she won down match points. 238 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 2: What was it? Montreal Quarters, Cincinnati Semi's New Haven victory? 239 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: Y right? 240 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: I mean. 241 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: Tops players something left and right. I love her. I 242 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: just want to say I have loved her from the 243 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 2: jump from last year's fed Cup. From last year's Fed Cup, 244 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: I was like, who is this kid? She put all 245 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 2: of Belarus on her back. Not to discredit Sasinovich, who 246 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: did a pretty bloody gat job, who did a great 247 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: job as well, but just you know, who is this kid? 248 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: She looks like Athena. 249 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: It's it's like her and Sasanovich is so different though, 250 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: Becauseasinovich looks like she just she's just walked off the street. 251 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: And who is this kid? She's like a little bit 252 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: of a an and she sort of doesn't change her 253 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: facial expressions. And one of the funniest people you'll ever 254 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: be into. She is quite the quick sense of humor. 255 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: I saw her get to the finals after getting through 256 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: qualifying in Brisbane earlier this year, and I thought, who's 257 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: this kid? And I remember talking about these guys to 258 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: Lisa Raymond, who's the coach of the Fed Cup team 259 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: for the US, and I said, the Americans are going 260 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: to win so easily in the final, they played nobody 261 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: and she's like, none, Honestly, these girls are really good. 262 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm telling you you'll be You're going to be surprised. 263 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 1: And man was I surprised. But Sabalanka sort of put 264 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: herself on the map and this crowd, and I thought, 265 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: who is this chick? She does look like Zena. She 266 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: should be in Bloody wonder Woman. She could be the 267 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: next wonder Woman totally. But her coach refers to her 268 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: after she beat Carolina in Cincinnati. I walked by him 269 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: and he goes stuff to beat her when she goes into 270 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: beast mode beast and I was like, oh, that is 271 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: so totally. 272 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 2: And she's got this massive tiger tattoo. I ran into 273 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: her in the parking ladder and I love that because 274 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 2: you guys we did. Yeah, we compared tattoos and she 275 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: was like, oh, yes, I go to Minsk. It is 276 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: because I hear the tag around. I was like, well, 277 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: that's really cool and I like it. You know, racket, 278 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: I have a giant owl on my arm. 279 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: What is it? 280 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: Our symbolized my grandmother who's cool and taught me how 281 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: to play tennis. Ship Yeah, thanks thanks a lot. No, 282 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: but she and then she's like fierce and six feet 283 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: tire and comparing tattoos, and then she was like, thank you, 284 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: it was nice to beat you. And I was like, what, yeah, 285 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: I was excusing sir. 286 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: I think she's going to be like, get away from me. 287 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I mean, she's sweetheart. 288 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 2: I'm super pumped for her. Her ascendance on the WUTA 289 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: tour means great things. 290 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: Well, the best match of the US Open was the 291 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: Osaka Sablenka by a mile quarterfinal. Was unreal and I 292 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: think if Sablenka had won that match, wending her the 293 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: US They have the same lack of fear, the two 294 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: of them, and it was just like we when we 295 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: saw that they were playing each other, the ESPN crew. 296 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: Sadly we didn't get to see a lot of it 297 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: on the TV because Jokovic was playing at the same time, 298 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: and you know, the powers that be wanted to see Jokovic. 299 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: You know, he's a bigger name and so for numbers 300 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. I understunded from the 301 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: TV side, But were the women, particularly at the ESPN 302 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: were fucking jammed up, going this is going to be 303 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: the match of the tournament. These two are so awesome 304 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: and they're young, and this is the future of women's tennis, 305 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: and man, they gave us exactly what we expected. So 306 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: look out for Saberlenka. She'll be my dark horse, has 307 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. 308 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: She's going to get a Grand Slam in the next 309 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: two years. I mean, right, I hope that we get 310 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 2: that matchup time and time and a game, and I 311 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: feel like we will. 312 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: We'll get like you know, and this is what we 313 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: have to start talking about. On the women's side. We 314 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: have Zabalenkas and those Soakas and you know, now Sloan 315 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: Stephen solidifying yourself as a contender, Hallop, all these players 316 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: that you know, once Serena is retired, I mean, we 317 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: do have to start looking at these next superstars. 318 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 2: And the tourist in good hands, I think. I mean, honestly, 319 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: these kids, variety, personality, background, in terms of awesome geographics 320 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: here I mean twenty and when they were twenty, I know, 321 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: it's great. 322 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: I mean, think about Serena and Vena still playing there, 323 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: you know, mid to late thirties. Yeah, I mean, I 324 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: don't know if these guys, well, he's so big, but. 325 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 2: It's an embarrassment of riches on the women's side. 326 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm awesome. 327 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: Jacked about it. Honestly, when of people ask me about 328 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: my favorite tennis players, I have to remember that there's 329 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: a men's tour. But let's get to the men's tour, 330 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: because I know we're gonna have a lot to talk 331 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: about with Serena and I do want, you know, people 332 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: who feel like this is a real bad fest to 333 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 2: get the sense that we at least do occasionally care 334 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: about men's tennis, which I do occasionally. 335 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: Do we what happened? 336 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just kidding, ha ha. 337 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: Well, Djokovic, you know my guy Delpo, I love him. 338 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: Just don't we all looking hot? Don't we all? 339 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: I just I picked him to win the tournament. I 340 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: put pressure on him when I saw him in the 341 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: whole way, said the US Open every time. Yeah, it's 342 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: like you might pick you know, don't let me do good? 343 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: And he's like, I will try. 344 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 345 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: He's just the biggest giant of a love fist as well. 346 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: And if anybody doesn't know anything about one Martin del Potrow, 347 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: the Tower of ten deal, they call him Chloe Cooper Jones. 348 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: He's a writer for GQ. Did an amazing story about 349 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: him and his sort of spring in summer, coming back 350 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 2: from years and years of being sidelined with injuries, both 351 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: terrible size of his wrists. He won the US Open 352 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine, beating Roger Federer kind of 353 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: shockingly to a lot of people, went away for a 354 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: while with injuries, came back and made it to the 355 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: finals of the Olympics in Rio in twenty sixteen and 356 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: fell just short of Mandy Murray winning the silver, and 357 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: you know, reignated everyone's love affair with him again. Went 358 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: away with injuries, and then one Indian was. 359 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: This here, Yeah, we love it handily number three in 360 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: the world I don't know if he'll move up after 361 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: the US Open, but you know, Djokovic is just sort 362 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: of solidified himself after winning Wimbledon and the US Open 363 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: now as he is well and truly back. 364 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: I mean, delpet was in that match, maybe for a 365 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: game or two in the second set, but it was 366 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: a Djokovic yeah slaughtery. 367 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: So now the question has to be asked of who's 368 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: going to be the guy who's going to have the 369 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: most Grand Slams at the end of their career, because 370 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people in Djokovic, but a lot of 371 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: people feel that now Djokovic is sort of starting to 372 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: climb back those numbers in the Slam title and he's 373 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: still so young. Yeah, and you know Roger, Roger struggled 374 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: and he hasn't played well since winning the Aussie He's 375 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: really struggling. And now you have to start asking the 376 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: question does age become a factor now? He was really 377 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: affected by the heat, which is very unusual. It's the 378 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: first time seen him ever sweat in his life. And 379 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: he's dying and I noticed that in the match before 380 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: he did the postmatch interview and he was very short 381 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: of breath doing the interview, which was I was like, 382 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: what is going on there? Thirty six years? I was like, well, 383 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: what's going on there? Because you know, normally it's just 384 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: so pristine and perfect. So that's the question obviously, Rafa, 385 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, the hard court season, how much can. 386 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: He pay on that? That's tough. 387 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: The knee, it's tough for him. That's why clay is 388 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: such a good surface for him. It doesn't he doesn't 389 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: get that same pounding on the knee. So listen, we've 390 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: counted those two out before I have Yeah, sure, so 391 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: don't be surprised if they're back in the Strain Open. 392 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Novak has a winning record against all of them, 393 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: all of them, and a shockingly lopsided winning record against 394 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: Andy Murray and Delpo, who are less likely to retire 395 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: probably at least given age, than than Nadola and Federer. 396 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: Like he's what's going to start him? I don't know, Yeah, 397 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: not these young guys. 398 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: I don't think much now. I think he's got his 399 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: confidence back, and he's got that. 400 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: What's what's the word impenetrable? 401 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: Thank you? 402 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 2: Yes, that's why I'm. 403 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: Not even hungover today. Wall back, you know where he 404 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: doesn't miss. So when he gets that, he gets the confidence, 405 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: the service back because the elbow problems have now been 406 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: fixed apparently, then he's going to be really hard to 407 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: beat in Australia because he loves that tournament. 408 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: So let me ask you'll be the one last question 409 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: about the men's because you have declared Novak Djokovic the favorite. Ferrazi, 410 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 2: I don't see any reason to dis believe that he'll 411 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 2: probably win the tour finals. What do you think about 412 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 2: we've kind of already discounted the generation that came after 413 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: Rafa and Roger you know your Dimitrov's your songas you know, 414 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: these guys are done. I can't right. What about the team? 415 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, team is definitely Team will one hundred percent win 416 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: the French Open within the. 417 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 2: Next three years. Tim team came very close. 418 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: Once Nadal's gone, Yeah, once Nadal's gone, somebody else will 419 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: win the French Open and it will be dominqu team. 420 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: I mean, no question about it. 421 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: I like his odds on clay, certainly hard court. Yeah, grass, 422 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 2: it seems. 423 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: Like that's a grass order, no chance. But if he 424 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: does well done, that means he's changed his thought process 425 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: and he's standing more up in the court and all that. 426 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: But what about like sav and Sarah for sure, but 427 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: Vera has to Why can't he break through at these faces? 428 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. 429 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: I think listen, I think getting Yvonne on his team 430 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: is going to make a huge difference. 431 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: This is a Yvonne Lundell, he of the incredible fashion 432 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 2: during the eighties that. 433 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: You love his fashion. You may still have my shirt 434 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: of his. 435 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: I do I have that shorts as well? I do. Wow, 436 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: I'm a creepy lesbian. 437 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: Who do you even brought out your poor wife Claire 438 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: she can't get rid of those feeler shorts that you 439 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: brought out. 440 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 2: Those borg shorts. Yeah, yep, she's trying to throw them 441 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: away numerous times, and monumental claim claims me wearing them 442 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 2: as vulgar. 443 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: Wow. Really, that's a big word. 444 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: That's a success for us. You know, a marriage when 445 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: you you countervail your wife's tendencies to throw at your clothing. 446 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: Oh well, well, well, the rule is that if you 447 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: buy something, you have to throw something out in your house. Correct. 448 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: She is should like have a book and a philosophy 449 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: and tour the world helping people get rid of their clutter. 450 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: She should come to my place, because God knows, I'm 451 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not a hoarder or anything, but shit 452 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: I have altho. 453 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: There's a lot of trophies and like fed cup outfits. 454 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: What's in your house is really cool? 455 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I have a friend who is a 456 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: little bit like that to my friend Joe who tends 457 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: to buy ship and bring it into the apartment and 458 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: doesn't tell her wife about three days until she says, 459 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: is that new? I've had this for months? So you know, 460 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: everybody has their issues when it comes to buying shit. 461 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: And I'm one of those people. 462 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: Let's leave that for our love advice. 463 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: Yes, sorry, god, we totally subject off men. 464 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, are we going to get to it? 465 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go. 466 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: Here we go. Yeah, let's fine, Here we go. Serena Williams, 467 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 2: how much backstory do you think Racket Magazine podcast listeners need? 468 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: Do we need to go break by break through this? 469 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: Do we assume that they've seen it? 470 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: I think that. Let me give you the quickest you know, 471 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: what do you call it? Cliff notes h Serena got 472 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: her warning for coaching. Her coach was seen gesturing with 473 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: his hands forward, which is pretty innocuous, Caitlin, I know, we. 474 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 2: Keep her. 475 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: And so the umpire saw that and decided to give 476 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: up coaching warning, which what the fuck? Uh, we're going 477 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: to get into that. And so she of course heard this, 478 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: and I could tell that straight away she went back 479 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: to return serve and I could tell that her brain 480 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: was going, fuck, no, I'm not letting this go. I 481 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: did not see any coaching. I'm not going to take this. 482 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: This is now now you're attacking my character. You have 483 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: to remember something. We have w T A. On the 484 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: w T two, we have allowed we allow a coaching 485 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: visit every set. Serena Williams, I believe, has never used 486 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: that need She doesn't believe in coaching during matches. She 487 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: doesn't rely on coaching in matches, or she would have 488 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: used the coaching in the on the WT two. So 489 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: she's never done that. She's never used it. It's obviously, 490 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: you know, as an umpire, you also know as an opponent. 491 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: There are certain players that you play against, and there's 492 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: certain players boxes that you have to keep your eye 493 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: out on, okay, that coach consistently, and there are a 494 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: lot of top players that will remain nameless that have 495 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: coaches that coach non stop from the stands okay, and 496 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: do not get coaching warnings because the umpire kind of 497 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: just goes, oh, how egregious is it? 498 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: You know, well, and let's just let's just let's bring 499 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: put her hat on this. 500 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: You are a coach, yeah, and I there's no question 501 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: I say stuff that would be deemed possibly as coaching. 502 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: You know, but how much can they hear, how much 503 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: can they see? 504 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: You know, you actually affect? 505 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: You know, coaches got signals. I mean I remember when 506 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: I remember when Lisa Raymond and I were together and 507 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: she would play matches and I swear to God, I 508 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: would like touch my right ear serve it out wide. 509 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: I mean, there are signals. It's like baseball, so umpires 510 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: don't even know what the signal is. You could have 511 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: wiped your brow and that could be you know, chip 512 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: and come into the net. I mean, there's so many 513 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: signals that coaches can do. Tony Nadahal coaches all the time, 514 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: all the time. Everybody knows it. He even admits it. 515 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: The same umpire in fact called Nadal not only in 516 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: the past they've had a lot of dust ups, but 517 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: also in this tournament for coaching. 518 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: But you know, it happens all the time. He never 519 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: gets called on it. 520 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 2: He does get called once no, no, no, no, all the time, 521 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: and he got called in this tournament. I'm going to 522 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: just fact check a few things that are widely. 523 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: By the same umpire, same umpire. Okay, all right, so okay, So, 524 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: but he is notorious at doing it, right, So good 525 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: for him for calling him on it, right. I would 526 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: say that Serena's not notorious for doing it. I know 527 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: her well. You know Patrick, what he did. The signal 528 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: he did was pretty innocuous. 529 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: It was so you were surprised. 530 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: In other words, I was surprised that he was given 531 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: a warning for that. And secondly, at the time ESPN 532 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,959 Speaker 1: showed the split screen, she wasn't even looking at him 533 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: at the time, So I know that's not the rules 534 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: the way it's written. If you see the coach coaching, 535 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: you have to give a warning. 536 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: So technically a violation, however, something that most people get 537 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 2: away with, that's seems clean. Like most people, most people 538 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: have interpreted this chain of events as it was a stratchrivikal. 539 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he should have said to Serena. I think 540 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: he should have given Serena the chance, knowing Serena, knowing 541 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: that she's not one of those people most of the 542 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: time to say, Serena, tell Patrick to watch himself, and 543 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: that happens often. I would say that happens more than 544 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: actually calling a coaching violation. 545 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's get into what happened next, just to 546 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 2: get people. 547 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: Break of racket. 548 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: Now, two games later, she breaks her racket, automatic code violation. 549 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: Nobody disputes that if you break herracket you get a coach. 550 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: Soon as she did it, I went, oh my god, 551 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: that's a point penalty. Yep. Oh shit. Okay, so you 552 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: have to remember two games prior to that, when she's 553 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: having the conversation with him at the chair, she's pleading 554 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: with him that I didn't see any coaching. I do 555 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: not get coach, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And 556 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: he said, I understand, you know, and he's trying to 557 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: please her and say diffuse, diffuse the situation, and she's like, okay, 558 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: we're on the same page, right, so you're you understand me, right. 559 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: I really think in my heart she thought she thought 560 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: he'd rescinded the warning. 561 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: But in not to take sad because I think it's 562 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: clear what sides we're both one of this, which is, yeah, tennis, 563 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: you can't take a I know that, nobody can take it. 564 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 2: I know that. 565 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: And that is the one question I want to ask Arouna. 566 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: Did you think that he rescinded that warning? 567 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: Ye? 568 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: Because because why would you throw your racket knowing you're 569 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: going to get a point violation at that time in 570 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: the match. It's not a good time throw. 571 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 2: Your racket, right, So, because most people when they do 572 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: get a warning, make a decision Okay, I'm gonna cool it, 573 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 2: or I'm gonna antagonize this further, like Benoi Pere, for example, 574 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: broke three rackets incurred you. You know, if you know 575 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: you're gonna go there, you're gonna go there. 576 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: I had a point violation at these train open in 577 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: my first round the year I won these train Open 578 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: and I'd had a warning and it was Pascal Marie 579 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: was the umpire, and he and now I now have 580 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: talked about it, and we're friends, and I'm friends with 581 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: I would say all the umpires that I've yelled at 582 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: and because most of the time I was right. But anyway, 583 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: he asked in the first game. My doubles partner Lisa 584 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: Raymond had achilles problems from time to time, and she said, 585 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: oh shit, I think I've just hurt my achilles. And 586 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, we need the trainer. 587 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: I turned around in the middle of the game. So 588 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: the first game a third set, and I turned around 589 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: to him and I said, can you get the trainer? No, 590 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: it's juice. It's a huge game, all right, and he's 591 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: yelling out to us, but I need to know for 592 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: what I go, No, you don't just call the trainer, right, 593 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: and we're trying to win this game. Can you stop 594 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: talking to us? 595 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: You know? 596 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: So anyway ensued, I walked up to him and I said, 597 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: he goes, Rene, I need to know for what. I go, No, 598 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: you don't. You just need to call the umpire. Now 599 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: I'm getting super mad, right because I'm like, he's antagonizing me, 600 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: which is kind of what happened the other day. 601 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 2: And you're as. 602 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: Stress, you know, so anyway, call him a French brick 603 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: and a French a French prick? 604 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: Was he French? Yeah? 605 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: And he gave me a warning now on top of 606 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: that had a point penalty. Now Lisa is grabbing my 607 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: shirt literally because he's now going back and forth to me, 608 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you're so wrong in this circumstance to 609 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: antagonize me and keep going. You just needed to call 610 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: the trainer and shut up. That's it, right. So I got, 611 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, so amped, and Lisa literally grabbed me. If 612 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: I had one more back then it was point game, 613 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: it's gone done, see you later. And that year we 614 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: won these strain open. So I can understand Serena's angst 615 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 1: and anger to being accused of something that she really 616 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: in her heart feels like she's not. 617 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 2: And by all accounts she nobody knows nobody, She doesn't 618 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: exchange signals that there are men there to do. 619 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: But she walked after she got that point penalty and 620 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: what and she knew she had a second code or 621 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: didn't know she had a second code, and walked to 622 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: the first court. She didn't she should have walked to 623 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: the love fifteen or fifteen love, But she walked to 624 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: the and she said, what what are you talking about? Yeah, 625 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: and he goes, that was your second code. So now 626 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: in her brain she's like, you didn't rescind it. Oh, 627 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: now you're calling me, you really are calling So now 628 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: that escalated everything even more because she's like, you've you 629 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: you know. So she's going out of her mind now 630 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: right now taking a point from me. And I believe 631 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: did she break that game that she. 632 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: Was down when she was down three to two, she 633 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 2: came back three h Yes. 634 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,239 Speaker 1: And I think that here's the biggest problem with this 635 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: is where I have a little bit of a problem 636 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: with Serena. And I love Serena, But when it got 637 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: to three, all she was back, the crowd were on 638 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: her side. She had everything going for her, and she 639 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: played a fucking terrible game at three all, she double folded, 640 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: she missed her back end down the line, she missed 641 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: balls that she shouldn't have. I believe she may have 642 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: even double folded twice, or she made errors. Naomi was like, 643 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: what is going on? She was totally overwhelmed at that moment, 644 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: and Serena lost her serve. Now she's so pissed at herself. Okay, 645 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: and now all the stuff that's happened prior is now 646 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: coming back, and the umpire is going to get it now. 647 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: She should have given it to herself at that moment, 648 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: because at that moment she given it to herself. 649 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 2: She should have. 650 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: Controlled herself at that moment, okay, and sat down and 651 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: realized that really the onus then was on her because 652 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: when it got to three all it had nothing to 653 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: do with the umpire. Now it was all about how 654 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: she was playing, and she did not play a great 655 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: game at three all. So when she sat down, she 656 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: took her anger and her up being upset out on 657 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: the umpire and wanting an apology and kept going and 658 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: belabeling that issue. 659 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: And of course and then called him iron by when 660 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: being called a layer in a cheat, which by the book, 661 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: people are like, oh, well, she didn't curse at him. Actually, 662 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: the rule is not if you curse an umpire. The 663 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: rule is if you question the integrity of an umpire. 664 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: So technically, again a question of application of rules certainly 665 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 2: valid a question of what the rule is black and white. 666 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: If you question their integrity, calling them a thief for 667 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 2: a layer, it is worse in fact than using f 668 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: BOMs totally. But in your mind, is that justified that 669 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: he takes a game from her? 670 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: No, because I think at that moment, you have to 671 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: understand as an umpire, you're you're the only one that 672 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: can settle that situation. At that moment, Serena could have 673 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: There's no doubt. I truly think that she made a 674 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: huge mistake there of belaboring the issue with the point penalty, 675 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: the coaching. She should have let it go. But she also, 676 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: I know her, she didn't drop the F bomb. I 677 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: know you're saying it's part of the yeah, but you 678 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: know she didn't get to the point where she's like, 679 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: you're a fucking life, fucking cheat. You know that would 680 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: have been done. 681 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 2: So in your mind, she was exercising restraint, she was 682 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: trying her best. 683 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: Okay, So when she got up from that I think 684 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: you have to under stand as an umpire, you're umpiring 685 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: a US Open final. It is a set in four 686 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: three and it's a break. You got to stay away 687 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 1: from that. You've got to let that go. You've got 688 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: to let that go and let the players be the 689 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: ones that end up deciding that match. And I think 690 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: that that was a massive mistake from him. I think 691 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: he overstepped by giving the coaching warning, I really do. 692 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: And then I think he just kept it going. And 693 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: that last one to give a game penalty was huge 694 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: because Naomi Osaka probably would have got up held serve 695 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: and been not five three, and we wouldn't have had this. 696 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: We wouldn't have had this over. It was already a problem. 697 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: But she had that in nine against you know, Kim 698 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: Klis's with the footfold and the you know, going to 699 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: shove this ball downhood. We've had that, we had in four, 700 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: the shit with the line calls. We had twenty eleven 701 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: against Sam Stozo with the come on and the point, 702 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: you know, the warning there, and she's had her problems 703 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: on that court. That was a moment to say, I'm 704 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: going to swallow my pride here. It may not be 705 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: the right thing as an umpire because she has question 706 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: in my integrity. But do I really want to insert 707 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: my elf in this match now? That is going to 708 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: be obviously huge, right, And that was a mistake from him, 709 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: the thing that and it took away in the end, 710 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: it took away from Naomi's victory. 711 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: I agree that Naomi's victory was overshadowed. From my perspective. 712 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 2: She was going to win that match no matter what. 713 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: But here's the problem, Well, we don't We'll never know, right, 714 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: that's my problem. 715 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: But I don't think we'll never know because. 716 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: Well, she lost a service game that one before. 717 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: Fine, but she beat Serena now granted a more diminished 718 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 2: Serena out beautifully at five four, twenty years old, first 719 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: grandson final, playing her idol with the crowd lustily, oh yeah, 720 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: booing at this time. It was terrible, terrible. The crowd 721 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: has absolutely like nothing. 722 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: But no, it's terrible. 723 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 2: Everybody's like to do they should And I have friends 724 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 2: who were in there who were booing, partially because they 725 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: were confused, but also we can get to that. To me, 726 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 2: what happened was you saw a player who was losing, 727 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,479 Speaker 2: who was getting beaten, beaten, not question handily beaten. Everything 728 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 2: Serena had to throw at her was getting thrown at 729 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: her question, and Naomi was handling it beautifully and being 730 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 2: a really really big Naomio Osaka fan. To me the 731 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: question of and I have and I will continue to 732 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: sort of give every benefit to the debt of what 733 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 2: it is to be a woman, what it is to 734 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: be a person of color, who which I don't understand 735 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: and I can only guess. And just cataloging the myriad 736 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 2: ways that these William's sisters, both Serena and Venus, but 737 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 2: especially Serena, has have been policed through their whole career. 738 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: What anger, how much other people related to that anger 739 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: and why and how it's been you know, stuffed back 740 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: inside and policed by typically male authority figures. You know, 741 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: I have spoken about that, You have spoken about that. 742 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: We can talk about that more. But in this moment, 743 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: what I was thinking was she's pissed, she's losing, She's 744 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 2: trying to make the match about something else more than 745 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 2: anything else. Was it a fight for women or people 746 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 2: of color? I don't know. I think it was a 747 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 2: fight for herself because she was on the ropes, taking 748 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: the officia, eating out of it, which you can't do. 749 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: But in the context of knowing how Serena is as 750 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: a competitor, and you know better than I do, so 751 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: maybe this won't ring true. But I saw a player 752 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: who was trying anything. Is that fair? 753 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: No, I don't think she was trying. I don't think 754 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: it was I don't think it was gamesmanship. I think 755 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: it was her losing control. 756 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I. 757 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: Think that Serena, you know, she has that personality. She'll 758 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: admit it. I mean, she has a personality can sometimes 759 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: go off the rails and get very angry and and 760 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: get you know, sort of you know, protecting herself, which 761 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: as you've already you know, for the reasons we under 762 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: which reasons we understand about Indian World's episode still to 763 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: this day is the second worst thing I've ever seen 764 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: on tennis court with the crowd doing her playing against 765 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: Kim Cleisters. So and you know, she's gone through years 766 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: of playing at the US Open. I remember commentating a 767 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: sideline match and I did a postmatch interview with her 768 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: and I literally said to her, how does it feel 769 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: to have this crowd support? Finally I said those words 770 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: to her. It was fantastic. Obviously, you know she replied great, 771 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: and because there were years that she did not have 772 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: support at the USO. 773 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 2: And to be clear, the tennis establishment now treats her 774 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 2: with reverence and the crowd and the crowd, and thank 775 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: god that was not now many people forget that was 776 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: not the way that she had been treated forever. I 777 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: remember commentators who are famous now who played alongside the 778 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 2: Williams sisters who had the rumors were that other people 779 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 2: on the tour treated them terribly because they didn't basically 780 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 2: want to make room for them. 781 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, listen, we can chronic go through a 782 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: chronological order of the things that you know, have they've 783 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: had to suffer through, and et cetera. The bottom line is, 784 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: in this final, it was nobody won. And I feel 785 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: like in the end I would have loved, loved to 786 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: have see Naomiyasaka held serve at four to three and 787 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: Serena holds serve to make it five four, and that 788 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: kid serves it out the way she did without any 789 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: question mark or asterix next to. 790 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: That score line, nothing but cheers. 791 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know if she would have 792 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: got cheers because it was quite obvious that the crowd 793 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 1: was still going to be very pro serena, which they 794 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: should be. I mean, she's, you know, one of the 795 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: greatest female athletes we've ever seen in the world, and 796 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 1: she's American and we're playing in America. 797 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 2: I don't know. I tend to disagree with that. I 798 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 2: feel like tennis should be always a plotted. 799 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: Come on, go to Wembleo and when you're playing, and 800 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: go to Australia. When you're playing in Australia. 801 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 2: I think that's an expectation of my brain. 802 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, in Paris, good luck playing a 803 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: French person. What a nightmare? Still hearing you know, French 804 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: names in my head in Paris. But I mean that's 805 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: just a parochial crowd of what you should get when 806 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 1: you're playing at home. 807 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 2: Home field advantage. 808 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: But what happened is that, you know, that's a sad 809 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: asterisk to that match. And I would have loved to 810 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 1: have seen that kid earn her right throughout the whole 811 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: match in holding serviant for three and holding servant five four, 812 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: because I do believe she could have would have done that. 813 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: But we there's still that question mark, and that bothers 814 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: me as a competitor. That bothers me as a competitor. 815 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, everyone's going to question that for the rest 816 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: of my life. Everyone's going to question that. And that 817 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: freaking sucks. And I served out the match, there's no question. 818 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: But what about that little extra help to get to 819 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: five to three. He should have not given that opportunity 820 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: for an asterisk, and he should have said, this is 821 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: the game right now, this match is bigger than me 822 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: and my ego, and I gotta let this one go, 823 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: and may I may be make a mistake. We saw 824 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: an umpire get out of the fucking chair and stand 825 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: in front of a tennis player a week earlier to 826 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 1: coherse him to try. That was awful. 827 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 2: That to me, that was egregious, curious, should have been defaulted. 828 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: That to me was the worst umpiring I've ever seen. 829 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, he was trying to get you know, 830 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: he's just trying to be a good guy. Don't you're 831 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: an uphire. You don't get out of a chair, you 832 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: say to him, if you don't start trying, I'm going 833 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 1: to give you a warning. There's a code for that. 834 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: He didn't get a code for that. He was tanking. 835 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 1: He was tanking balls in the net. Now, I don't 836 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: I like Nick, so it's nothing against Nick, and if 837 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: he wants to throw that match, let him throw the match. 838 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: But it's not your job as an umpire to get 839 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: out and encourage him. You're not his coach. 840 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 2: I would have been what about that furious? If I 841 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 2: appear Ubert who lost the match, just winning the match 842 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 2: changed the course of the match. 843 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 1: That is grgious. What he did was, in my opinion, 844 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: I've a stepped the line to not understand the big 845 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: picture of that moment of a final of a Grand Slam. 846 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 2: Okay, so let me I disagree only in the sense 847 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 2: that I don't think Nami Osaka gets that asterisk. I 848 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 2: think there's no doubt in my mind she wins that 849 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 2: hope not anyway, And I luckily for us, I think 850 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 2: and I feel like we both agree on this. She's 851 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,439 Speaker 2: going to have lots of other Grand Slams. 852 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 1: But she'll never have that first one, back that first moment. 853 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 2: Let's talk about how we can sort of as a 854 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 2: tennis community, use this scrutiny, use the things that Serena 855 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 2: has brought up, whether they were applicable in this situation 856 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 2: or not, about the way that women are officiated against 857 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 2: about the calls, there have been very, very many sort 858 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 2: of spirited pieces of evidence thrown at this debate. Well, 859 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 2: men got more fines in this tournament, But look at 860 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 2: what Federer got away with saying and curious got coached 861 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 2: by Leani and the guy got out of his chair 862 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 2: and coerced him to try. I would love to see 863 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 2: and I think that this is a very doable outcome 864 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 2: of this. Let's have data. When Gina Davis got a 865 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 2: sense in her gut that men were getting awarded all 866 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 2: of the opportunities to direct all the financing by Hollywood, 867 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 2: everything that she knew helped the thumb on the scale 868 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 2: towards keeping women down, she founded an Institute of Gender Studies, 869 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 2: put numbers behind this stuff, and then thrust them in 870 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 2: the face of anyone who would watch, and to her 871 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 2: great credit, I think has been a large part of 872 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 2: changing the tide and the conversation around women in Hollywood. 873 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 2: What if we were to do something like that, I 874 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: think that would be a fantastic outcome. 875 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: Well, you know, plenty of notes, so get on that, 876 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: because I think that's a great idea. I think that's 877 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: a great idea, and we should do that. I know 878 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: that Tennis Australia has got an email from Craig Tyler 879 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: the other day from Tennis Australia and they're already looking 880 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: at changing some things down in Australia, trying to get 881 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: a full consensus from all the players. Are TV people, 882 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: past players. I don't know what category are. 883 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 2: Fully can you see what some of the yeah you're 884 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 2: a leading luminary of the game category that you're falling. 885 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: I'm old. They are looking at coaching. 886 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 2: And allowing it, allowing it for men and women, allowing 887 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 2: it for men and women, And do you think that 888 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 2: that's good? Yeah? 889 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: I mean, let's just just just get rid of the 890 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: ambiguity great rule. It's bullshit and it's the only sport 891 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: that doesn't allow it. And I hate coaching. Just let 892 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: me just say I've always been against the on court 893 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: coaching rule because I think for me as a player, 894 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: I was smart, but I didn't have a big this 895 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,919 Speaker 1: or a big dad that was your advent service pretty 896 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: good and my volleys were pretty good. But you know, 897 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have like massive game, right, but I had 898 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: a good brain and I can analyze the match and 899 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: I could go from plan A to Plan B to 900 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 1: Plan C. Some players go, they just hit the ball big, 901 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: and that was your advantage, and that was my advantage. 902 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: So why are you taking my advantage away by giving 903 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: it to somebody else to help somebody else get through 904 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: a match. If I can control myself, my nerves or 905 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, my that should be that should be part 906 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: of the game. 907 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 2: Right. 908 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: Okay, but we've thrown that out the door realistically, So 909 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: if we're gonna throw it out the door, TV love it, 910 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: the crowd love to hear it. Yeah, let's let's implement 911 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: it in and get rid of the non coaching rule 912 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: because it's just stupid. 913 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 2: And I think it would actually really help commentating. I've 914 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 2: said this before and I mean it. You're, to me 915 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 2: one of my favorite commentators because you do a great 916 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 2: job of actually explaining the game. It's not like, oh, 917 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 2: he's feeling nerves. That doesn't mean anything to me. And 918 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 2: I'm not singling out one commentator when I say that, 919 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 2: all the way both and I am. What I like 920 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 2: about on court coaching is it gives the analysts and 921 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 2: the booth the chance to connect their thoughts and their 922 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 2: read to what the coach is actually saying. And then 923 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 2: changes that we're watching in the game. So not only 924 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 2: does it help explain what we're watching, but it also 925 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 2: allows people like me who are tennis players to take 926 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 2: away something from the best minds in the game, who 927 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 2: are coaching the greatest and who are talking with the 928 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 2: greatest on the court. Win win win. 929 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. And now that we with you know, SAP, with 930 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 1: the WTA and the IBM stats we have at the 931 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: Grand Slams, we can also put the numbers and the hawkeye, 932 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: the use of the hawkeye into this great debate as 933 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: well of you know, the coaching and then this and 934 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: here's the numbers and here the sal we can show. 935 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 1: So we're only making the viewership much better for people 936 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,919 Speaker 1: at home. TA is also looking at, you know, maybe 937 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: taking the lad out of the game. They're sort of 938 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: trying to find out if that's something that players are 939 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: for or against. 940 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 2: Where do you fall on that. 941 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: I want to get rid of let's no lets, no lets, 942 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: it's part of a point. Why should it not be 943 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: a part of a serve? And how many times has 944 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: someone hit a great serve on a big point? It 945 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: happened two years ago, I believe with Serena in this 946 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: train open all three years ago, she had an unbelievable 947 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: serve out wide and celebrates and leat and it's like 948 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: nobody heard it except that stupid little machine that usually 949 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: picks up just the vibration of the ball going over 950 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: the net. The amount of times that's happened in mixed doubles, 951 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about? It was it 952 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: didn't even touch it. It's just, you know, it sets 953 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: off that stupid little thing. And it was like, what 954 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: about the dead net cord on the match point? I got? 955 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: When does that ever happened? 956 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:51,879 Speaker 2: Yeah? 957 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: I mean, and you know what, and if it does well, 958 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: then so be what about when you hit a crap 959 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: ball and hits the net and drops over. What's the difference. 960 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. It's just I'm convinced. 961 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: And it happens more that there's lets that aren't even 962 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: heard or affect the serve that get called. And that's 963 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: my problem. And I hit that great serve out wine, 964 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: and I picked the right spot and she picked the 965 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: wrong spot, and I've hit and it touched. 966 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 2: The players aren't like over it getting a drop shot 967 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 2: serve where they would. 968 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: It happens in a point so who cares, like, let's 969 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:20,919 Speaker 1: so that one. 970 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 2: What else? 971 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 1: I'm actually two for two, Let's do this tennis. What's 972 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: the other thing? Oh, the fifth set tiebreak? Obviously, what 973 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: happened at Wimbledon is you know, it caused a lot 974 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: of conversation, isn't and Kevin Anderson's epic five set match 975 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 1: which just ruined them in the final. Nobody had a 976 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: chance after that match. And you know when you see 977 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: Kevin Anderson win the match and he's just like, well 978 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: that sucks. You got to get rid of the extended 979 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,439 Speaker 1: set for the men, particularly in five. I don't see. 980 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,399 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with getting rid of it, 981 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: not getting rid of it in the women's best of three, 982 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: but I think in best of five, let's end it. 983 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 2: This argument has started to come back into favor because 984 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 2: of the long Wimbledon semi final matches, both of them. Obviously, 985 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 2: the isner Y Anderson match in particular stretched into the 986 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 2: section day. It was like three matches in one five sets. 987 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: Well, I've always been a proponent of getting rid of 988 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: five sets all together. I mean, then you start and 989 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: then you start to stop. The conversation of equal. 990 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,479 Speaker 2: Equal prize money becomes a moot point because everyone's playing three. 991 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: Se Listen, a boring three set match at six two 992 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: six three six two is an extendedly boring three set match. 993 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I argue the US Open final, but extended 994 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 2: you're getting to the Djokovic. It's like, oh god, just 995 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 2: put this up. Yeah, sorry, you have. 996 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: The odd match that two sets down and people come 997 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: back and win a great five setup. I'm like, listen, 998 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: I've made this argument. Go and watch all the men's 999 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: matches at the Olympics. They are phenomenal. 1000 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 2: They're phenomenal, and they're three sets real except the final three, 1001 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 2: but three sets is the norm for almost all the matches. 1002 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,720 Speaker 1: And they're unbelievable. I mean, the Del Poco Roger Federer 1003 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: match at Wimbledon at the Olympics in London was unbelievable 1004 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 1: seventeen fifteen and the third it was great, Like, let's 1005 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,760 Speaker 1: play extended third sets? Yeah, and play three sets. And 1006 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: everyone's like, yeah, but what about the great five setters? 1007 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,240 Speaker 1: I go, is it the five setters that you remember? 1008 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,760 Speaker 1: It is the fifth set. 1009 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,720 Speaker 2: That you remember, exactly right, Nobody remembers I remember the ligatory, 1010 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 2: third and fourth sets. They're such a snooze fans. 1011 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm bored, and I'm a tennis purist, and nobody just 1012 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: watching tennis or watches more tennis than me. But I 1013 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: watched the Nadal Roger Federer final Strain Open two years ago, 1014 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 1: where everyone. 1015 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 2: Was shitting at the fifth set is the only good set. 1016 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, this is the greatest match. And I 1017 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 1: was like, guys, I left four times in the middle 1018 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: of that match to go get a drink because I 1019 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,399 Speaker 1: was so bored, and I'm not an alcoholic and I'm 1020 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: not an alcoholic. Well, I'd spent two weeks working, so 1021 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: it was the first match I actually watched. I didn't 1022 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,720 Speaker 1: I could drink, and you know, they extended five sets, 1023 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: made me drink, But I mean, it was the fifth 1024 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 1: set was the only thing that was really overly excited. 1025 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 2: Those guys did not play good tennis at the same 1026 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 2: time except for that one set. So really what they're 1027 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 2: talking about is one. It's a final set, agreed, that's all. 1028 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 2: We just want the final set exactly right. I want 1029 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,959 Speaker 2: some urgency. I don't want to feel like, Okay, well, 1030 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 2: you know. 1031 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if we're going to get that changed, Caitlin, 1032 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,359 Speaker 1: but maybe hopefully we will one. 1033 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 2: Day, maybe these guys as parties. 1034 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: Yes for what exactly? 1035 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 2: So I have to watch a boring third and four 1036 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 2: it's out. 1037 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mary Carrillo said to me, you know, you don't 1038 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: pay more money to watch a three hour movie over 1039 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: a two hour You just want to watch a good movie. 1040 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: And that's what we need to think about when we're 1041 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: talking about five sets of tennis, and that is you know, Wimbledon. 1042 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: Fuck five hours of sitting and watching the same man. 1043 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to do anything. I'm bored, totally. 1044 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm totally bored. If it's a three hour match and 1045 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: it's exciting that women's stuff at the Strain and Open 1046 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: with Hallup and Kerber and those guys, and oh yeah, 1047 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: three hours and forty minute times. Shit, that was like 1048 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: on tenter hooks the whole match because every point was important. 1049 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: I've seen guys throw throw sets because they're down to 1050 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,399 Speaker 1: break in the fourth and they go, fuck it, let's 1051 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: just get to the fifth. Yeah, they've I saw it 1052 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: happened at the Stranger. So it happened at the French 1053 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: Open finals. Novak Djokovic was playing Nadal and everyone's going 1054 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: to write me and you know I'm gonna get blown 1055 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,320 Speaker 1: up on Twitter for this, but he totally tanked the 1056 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: four set because he couldn't be bothered coming back, and 1057 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't blame him. I'm not gonna blame him. It's 1058 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,399 Speaker 1: the circumstance. Why would I try and come back. Let's 1059 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: just start the fifth in you? 1060 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 2: Why I used your emotional energy and physical energy? 1061 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: And what if if I don't win this set anyway, 1062 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 1: So let's just get to the fifth and let's go. 1063 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: Let's start from neutral. And that's what happens all the 1064 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: time in best of five and guys that don't admit 1065 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 1: to that alling so anyway, that's the integrity of the 1066 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: sport as well for me, and I have a problem 1067 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: with that. 1068 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 2: Okay, so we're going to change. We fix all the Yeah, 1069 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,320 Speaker 2: fixed all the tennis rules. 1070 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: Call us commissioners. 1071 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, commissioners. Come on our show. 1072 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: We should be the commissioner. We should get the commissioners 1073 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:22,359 Speaker 1: on it. 1074 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 2: I agree. You know, we're available for consulting at the 1075 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 2: low lower rate of ten thousand dollars an hour. Oh 1076 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,240 Speaker 2: thank god you said that. That's right, like five hundred dollars. 1077 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 2: Come on, I'm going to expense standards exactly. All right, 1078 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 2: setting all of the what has happened to side, let's 1079 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,359 Speaker 2: briefly before we're done, touch on what is to come 1080 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 2: for the rest of the year. You're going to go 1081 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:42,320 Speaker 2: to Asia. 1082 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 1: Are going to Asia with Carolina and hopefully get her 1083 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,720 Speaker 1: qualified for the WTO Finals in Singapore, which is always 1084 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: a great event for everybody. 1085 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 2: Yes, you're going to interview a few more. 1086 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to try and an interview as many folks 1087 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: as I can on the road in places like Uhan 1088 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 1: and Beijing. Wait, guess what, there's not a lot to 1089 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: do in Wuhan. Most people like to stay inside the 1090 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 1: hotel because the pollution level is atrocious. I'm sure the 1091 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: Wuhan don't even get me started on why we're playing 1092 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 1: in a place where you can't breathe and players are 1093 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: playing out there for three hours. Not good for the lungs. Great, 1094 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: and I mean you can hear mine, Yeah, you know, 1095 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: and I don't even smoke, which apparently you're stopping again. 1096 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 2: Is that it's a struggle. We're going to put this 1097 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 2: on the Love podcast. 1098 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: With now this is on the Health podcast. 1099 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 2: That's right, We're gonna have spinoffs. You know, we're human beings. 1100 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 2: We have our races, we have our proclivities. We're just 1101 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,720 Speaker 2: trying to do better one day at a time, right, Renee, 1102 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 2: That's right. 1103 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm going to finish the year off there 1104 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: and then and then I'm gonna faint because it's been 1105 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: a long five It's been a. 1106 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 2: Long year, okay, So going into the last stretch of 1107 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 2: the year, we've kind of already previewed what's going to 1108 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 2: happen on the men's side. Hard to imagine Djokovic doesn't 1109 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 2: just clean up and end up winning finals. I mean, 1110 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 2: can anybody beat him? I mean yes, in a individual day, 1111 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 2: maybe Roger Indoors. Do you think Roger, given where he 1112 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 2: is with his season, is up for the task of 1113 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 2: taking him out one last time? And Shanghai? 1114 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: I think he'd like to finish the year off on 1115 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: something worthwhile and then and then for the Australian Open. 1116 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: Looking forward, I think that Serena's the favorite. I think 1117 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: if she can keep herself fit and happy and healthy. 1118 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: You know, this is a year into her really coming back. 1119 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 1: I mean, she only came back in March, so I 1120 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 1: think she was with her mind. What she's done is 1121 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: it's unredomenal, phenomenal, a joke. But the nerves have got 1122 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: the better of her in these finals and that's interesting 1123 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 1: for me. But I think in Australia she's always felt 1124 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 1: this incredible relaxed environment there and I think that if 1125 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 1: she's going to break this record, be ironic or equal, 1126 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 1: it would be ironic that if she did it in 1127 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 1: Australia next to the Margaret Cord Arena and the Rod 1128 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,359 Speaker 1: Laver Arena. 1129 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 2: They should rename it Williams Arena. 1130 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: Fuck your your record's now been equaled and getting which. 1131 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 2: She wasn't in a record anyway because nobody went to 1132 00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,879 Speaker 2: Australia during all those years, so I don't know why 1133 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,040 Speaker 2: it was even a thing anyway. 1134 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,839 Speaker 1: Too che and that's correct, yes, But Serena, I think 1135 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: we'll be really ready to be prime to go there 1136 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: as long as you know she's up for the task physically. 1137 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,839 Speaker 1: Seven matches is a lot and emotionally, but I think 1138 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 1: in Australia, I think at Wimbledon and the US Open, 1139 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 1: the emotions are a little bit higher for her. Wembledon 1140 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: is Wimbledon. Everybody it's just has this or around it. 1141 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 2: It's magic. 1142 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 1: The US Open, of course, for her being American and 1143 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: she hasn't won it for a number of years. Has 1144 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 1: always been a bit of an emotional struggle Robert of 1145 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,440 Speaker 1: InChI for her on top of her finger trying to 1146 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,920 Speaker 1: win the yeah, trying to win the Grand Slam that 1147 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: year against Robert of Inci. But I think in Australia 1148 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 1: she feels really comfortable and really at home and the 1149 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,839 Speaker 1: tension is not quite as high there as it is 1150 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 1: at this at those particular other Grand Slams that she 1151 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,239 Speaker 1: made a find. So she's my favorite at the Strain Open, 1152 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 1: and I think howp will be knocking on the door 1153 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 1: down there as well. And our little Sabolenka and Osaka, 1154 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: man they. 1155 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,239 Speaker 2: Get through its super excited to watch them. Did they 1156 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,919 Speaker 2: both qualify for Singapore? Do you think? Do think they will? 1157 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: For sure? After winning the Open? And Sablanca is on 1158 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,799 Speaker 1: the knocking on the door. But there's a lot that 1159 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: are knocking. 1160 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,920 Speaker 2: On the door. The future is here, Yeah, y it is. 1161 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited get to talk about those two 1162 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 1: for a long time. 1163 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,920 Speaker 2: All right, let's go to rehab and come back and 1164 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:17,359 Speaker 2: do it again. 1165 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:23,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, rehabsh okay therapy. Didn't you just come from therapy. 1166 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 2: I did. 1167 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:24,359 Speaker 1: Oh, well done. 1168 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 2: Thank you give me that number. I will. And that's 1169 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,799 Speaker 2: it for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast. Thanks 1170 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,320 Speaker 2: for listening. Our host is Renee Stubbs. Our co host 1171 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 2: and producer is me Caitlin Thompson. Music by internationally renowned 1172 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 2: DJ Stretch Armstrong. Thanks to Tim Or, Jerry, Taylor Dolton 1173 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 2: and the team at ACAST. Find us at racketmag dot com, 1174 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 2: slash podcast, and subscribe to us at any of your 1175 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,759 Speaker 2: favorite podcatchers