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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, and welcome to the brand new format of

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Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective. I'm Ben O'Brien, new music, new guests,

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Speaker 1: and just new stuff for you to listen to here

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Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective. And this week I am joined by

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Speaker 1: Ryan Callahan and we're talking about topics like feral cats

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Speaker 1: talk about Cow's love life and then he may be

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Speaker 1: single forever. And then in the interview saving to the podcast,

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Cameron Haynes. We talked about the Adam

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Speaker 1: Green treet poaching case. We do a little pack dump,

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Speaker 1: we find that he too is as unorganized as the

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Speaker 1: rest of us, and we get into his love of

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Speaker 1: the show The Bachelor, So you're gonna love it. But

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Speaker 1: before we do that, I want to get to another

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Speaker 1: new portion of the show. We talk about our partners.

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Speaker 1: In the first partner we want to introduce you to,

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Speaker 1: which you'll already know who they are, I'm sure, but

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Speaker 1: it is first Light clothing gear, every thing you're ever

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Speaker 1: gonna want to put on your body when you're out hunting.

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Speaker 1: It's first Light. And I've known you know, Uh Callaghan,

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Speaker 1: and I've known Kent Caruth over there for many years,

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Speaker 1: and I love those guys and I love their brand,

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Speaker 1: I love working with their team over there. Um, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's exciting for me to to one be able

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Speaker 1: to say that that brands like first Light are willing

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Speaker 1: to come on and say that their partners and support

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Speaker 1: what we do here. But at the same time, um,

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Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be good to wear their gear. Lets

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Speaker 1: you know how it feels. Let's know my thoughts on

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Speaker 1: it and be a little bit more involved in that

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Speaker 1: side of things as well, so you know, it's not

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Speaker 1: it's nothing new to podcast to have partners and advertisers,

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Speaker 1: but it is new to this one. So welcome to

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Speaker 1: first Light. I can't wait to have you on board

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Speaker 1: for our new format in the new ride that is

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Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective. So let's get started. I guess I

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Speaker 1: grew up on an older road, a pedal to the medals.

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Speaker 1: the rich kids next door. And I grew up baths.

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Speaker 1: I guess, like mean, there are a thousand things inside

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Speaker 1: of my head I wish I ain't seen, and now

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Speaker 1: I just wanted through a real bad dream of being

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Speaker 1: in like I'm coming apart of the scenes. But thank

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Speaker 1: you Jack Daniels. No, listen, all right, the brand new

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Speaker 1: format for The Hunting Collective today is four to nineteen

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Speaker 1: and I'm here with Ryan Callahan. What up? Cal? I

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Speaker 1: was just thinking you should have done this on because, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's not to say that we're not we haven't had

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Speaker 1: some THHD gummy bears. That's right at th HC the

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Speaker 1: Hunting Collective. You maybe have popularized now the acronym for

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Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective. I know you've noticed because I'm really trying.

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Speaker 1: You really want this to be th HC. I want

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Speaker 1: people to be as uncomfortable as possible. Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: I think as far as products, we might be able

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Speaker 1: to create th HC gummy bears, TC cookies, THHC rolled

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Speaker 1: uh cigarettes and have it as like a grab bag. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you don't know, you don't know what you're gonna get. No,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be th HC either way, which means the

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Speaker 1: Hunting Collective And that's really on brand, right download the podcast.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what you're gonna get. How does it

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Speaker 1: feel to be the first guest in this new groundbreaking

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Speaker 1: format that I've created. I feel great. Man. You don't

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Speaker 1: Not at all? But that's kind of been my life

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Speaker 1: ever since I moved over here to meat Eater. You're

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Speaker 1: the Chinese will tell you it's the year of the pig, which,

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Speaker 1: That um. Also, we're gonna cover a few things here,

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Speaker 1: segment in each podcast. This week's interview is Cameron Haines,

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Speaker 1: who you know as well, UM, And in that interview

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Speaker 1: very briefly anyway, is Adam green Tree poaching case? Right?

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Speaker 1: Even I have UM had several beers at several bars

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Speaker 1: Ookey introduced me to Adam on email. UM, two years

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Speaker 1: prosecute Adam for poaching red deer in the National Park.

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Speaker 1: But we don't agree with poaching. We don't agree with

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Speaker 1: just general responsibility. Yeah, I mean we should even have

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Speaker 1: a statement. And there there just hasn't been a clear Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how I should have known where I was. I didn't,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry. You know, one of those two things

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Speaker 1: But we haven't really heard from Adam, so we won't

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Speaker 1: this potion casefice to say you'll hear more about in

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Speaker 1: this podcast, but um, it's just important to talk about. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I want you to come in on. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: seen a show called The Bachelor? It's on ABC. I

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Speaker 1: talk but it is exciting. What are we gonna do? Yeah,

423
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: it's just like the greatest day for me is one

424
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: where I feel like I gave a full effort like that,

425
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: Like we ran, me and my friend Corney ran the

426
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 1: Grand Canyon on Saturday, and I felt like that day

427
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: that was just the best day ever because I couldn't

428
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: have done anymore. It's like we ran from one of

429
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon to the other and back, and it's

430
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: just like that's all I want to do every day

431
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: is just give that kind of effort. So people like

432
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: to see that come to life. Yeah, I mean running

433
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon. I mean, you're It's just that's an

434
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: amazing feed for someone's life. To to put it in

435
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: terms of like I just went over there and ran around. Yeah,

436
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: is I think that's what part of what people are

437
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: drawn to. Um, that's always interesting for me. Like this

438
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: is new for you. I mean when I first heard

439
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: about you, was reading your reading your book, and then

440
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: you get into this day and age where we're just

441
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: talking about in the kitchen there there's there's like there's

442
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: a lot of hate, there's a lot of love, and

443
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of feedback. The feedback loop is keeps

444
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: on going and going and going, and um, you kind

445
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: of have to live in that feedback loop. There's nothing

446
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: else you can do because there's so much good there.

447
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: You can't throw that all the way for a few

448
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: people that don't like what's happening, you know, So on

449
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: days you'd like to just delete the whole thing. But

450
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: when you look at really look at the numbers, it's

451
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: like I might get ten, maybe on a bad day,

452
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: ten negative comments and how many thousands of positive So

453
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: it's just like I'd be being a little overly sensitive

454
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,719
Speaker 1: to the baby out with the bathwater, and it's just

455
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: like it's not but it's just like those negative ones

456
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: and it's our culture nowadays. They love lifting people up

457
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: to this higher than, you know, a higher pedestal than

458
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: anybody ever deserves, only because they enjoy tearing them down.

459
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: Not the same people. I'm not saying that, but I

460
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: mean people love to see they're there. I'm not gonna

461
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: say idols, because I don't want to act like I'm

462
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: an idol to anybody. But they just love knocking people down.

463
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: That's it. I don't know why, it's just it's a

464
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: it's just a weird time and social media has given

465
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: people a chance to knock people down often. Yeah. I

466
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: think if a lot of if if those like a

467
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: lot of folks could sit in the trailing ups and

468
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: I think what they would want to ask you. I

469
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: think part of that would be how do you know

470
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: you talk about social media so much and so much

471
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: of your identities there, at least the people that don't

472
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: know you. I know you, Yeah, I know who you are.

473
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: You know, we founded together, we spend some time together.

474
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: To that extent, I know you. Um, do you feel

475
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: like someone could really get to know you through social

476
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: media through what your post? No? No, no, no, not

477
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, and and you can't really that's

478
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: a That's the thing, is you feel like you know

479
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: that person because you're checking on them every day, But

480
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: you don't really know somebody. You know, Um, you get

481
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: a glimpse into their life and you're it's usually the

482
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: highlights I try to share, you know. I struggle just

483
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: like anybody, or have bad days, or there's stuff that

484
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: goes on in my life and I try to share

485
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: that too, because I wanted to be authentic. And it's

486
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: one reason why my social media has been I think popular,

487
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: is because it's I try to keep it as real

488
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: as possible. And uh, but yeah, you can't. Still, there's

489
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: nothing like being a hunting camp or running around or

490
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: shooting a bow with somebody and and b s sing.

491
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: You know, that's how you get to know somebody. So um,

492
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: what happens, it's like it's this weird relationship though. And

493
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: what I don't like is if I make a mistake

494
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: or if I screw up, or if I if I

495
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 1: you know, I've had people say that. Um, I don't know.

496
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: I can't think of an example right now, but I

497
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: don't want to feel like I let somebody down because

498
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: they feel like they know me. Um. And if whatever happens,

499
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: the interaction wasn't it they envisioned, or if there's a

500
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: lot going on and it's not you know, as as

501
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: intimate as they wanted, like more as much time or whatever,

502
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: and then I've they somehow it comes out that I

503
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: may have let them down. I hate that. I don't

504
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: like that. But uh, it's just part of the deal,

505
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: you know. You you build this daily interaction with somebody

506
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: they really feel close to you. I mean I had

507
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: a guy, for example, made a I still haven't even

508
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: responded because I guess so. So this one was a

509
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: little different though, but he wanted me. The wanted me

510
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: to be the best man in his wedding. Okay, I

511
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: don't know him. Yeah, pay for me to come to

512
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: his wedding, all expense paid, being his wedding and be

513
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: his best man. So just think about that. Yeah, And

514
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: it's like, so that person if because I have an

515
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: assert and it's been a day now, he probably feels

516
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: like I let him down, Like I wanted this got

517
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: to be the best man of my wedding. He has

518
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: hasn't even responded. I mean that weighs on me. Yeah,

519
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: that's that's a rough one. That weighs on me. It does. Yeah,

520
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: because you like I said, you live in this kind

521
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: of bubble of judgment and positive you know, positive interaction,

522
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: negative interaction like bouncing around, and there's all this all

523
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: this stuff coming in and I'm sure it's hard to

524
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, for you, hard to you know, try to

525
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: get your arms around at all and understand what it

526
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: really is, you know, because I think just by our nature, man,

527
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: if it's a hundred positive comments and one negative one,

528
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: he would read the one negative one. I do. Yeah,

529
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: And that's what that's you know, I'm I care, I

530
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: care about people. I care. You know, you can say

531
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't care what people think. We all care people think.

532
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: That's just the way it goes. Um can you let

533
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: it affect you? Now, that's maybe that's different. And that's

534
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: what I try not to let it impact my regular

535
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: life with my families right here. They're the ones who

536
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: love me, you know, regardless of whether I kill a

537
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: bull elk or do good in a race, or if

538
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: I made somebody happy there, they get they got my back,

539
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: and that's what families are for. So I can't lose

540
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: sight of I can't let outside interactions on social media

541
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: or comments affect what really matters. So um, yeah, I mean,

542
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I don't want to just belabor the

543
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: social media things. So I think that's, you know, that's

544
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: all we're gonna say about it, because people know you're

545
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: Like everybody understands everybody listening to this has a view

546
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: of you, likely from from that platform. They see you.

547
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: They judge it positive, negative, whatever. I find it to

548
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: be in my own personal experience, a very confusing place

549
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: to to live because there's data, there's numbers that say

550
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: you're doing good, you're doing bad. All this reinforcement of

551
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: these activities, and so I think we're all just trying

552
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Um, and some people do better

553
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: than others. Yeah, it's a struggle some days. So we'll

554
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: leave that behind, social media being behind. But I don't

555
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: know that i've ever I've read some things about your

556
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: your growing up and like you you've spoken fairly openly

557
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: about your childhood and kind of how you came up

558
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: and it came to be a hunter. So, you know,

559
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: we talked about you being a Eugene, a native and

560
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: haven't been here for so long, Like describe your first

561
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, like where you grew up, how you grew up,

562
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: and just give us a quick rundown of brief you know,

563
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: the years prior to becoming like coming of age and

564
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: becoming a hunter led you there. Um yeah, I mean

565
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: it's it's like a lot of childhood, you know. Ah, divorce,

566
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: home and you know my dad. Uh, I lived with

567
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: my mom. I wanted to miss my dad, and my

568
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: dad was like a superhero to me. You know how

569
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: a lot of kids are with their dads. And he

570
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: was amazing athlete. So I hear these stories about him,

571
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: but didn't get to spend much time with them. Um.

572
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: So then uh, I went to live with him because

573
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: I didn't like my stepdad. Uh. I missed my brother

574
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: when I lived with my dad, and that was up

575
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: in poor and I didn't really like living in a big,

576
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: big city. So I came back here, um with my

577
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: mom and uh small town outside of Oregon here and

578
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: a small little high school twenty eight my graduating class,

579
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: and uh, I like that. I liked the small town life.

580
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: And it started. My stepdad started us rifle hunting, and

581
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: uh and the first deer I killed, I was fifteen,

582
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: killed a spike buck over running the edge of the

583
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: Eagle Cap Wilderness as a meal deer buck, and they

584
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: had a big deer camp, like like a lot of

585
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: families had canvas waltens and poker and everything that makes

586
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: it great. And uh so I was fifteen, my brother

587
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: was twelve, and I remember I shot that. I saw

588
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 1: these deer coming out on this little spine ridge right

589
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: about a hundred and fifty yards away, and I had

590
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: a three D magnum and uh put the wall on.

591
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: Plenty of guys kills the one in cripples at the

592
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: other yea yeah, And so I shot, and uh my

593
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: brother we I don't think we had binoculars, Like I

594
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: didn't know if you you know, wanted to look at

595
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: something and usually use your scope, but we didn't even

596
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: know what we were doing, right, And uh so I shot.

597
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: He said you shot a dough And then I was like,

598
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: I did I shot a dough. It's like that I

599
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: didn't know. I'm like, you could shoot a spike over there,

600
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: and so we went up to it and thank god

601
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: it was a spike. But uh so that was my

602
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: first deer, like a panic situation, happy, not sure, didn't

603
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: really even know what the hell I was doing. And

604
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: you ever, like when you when you figured out you

605
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: killed the animal, did you ever take a moment and

606
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, actually did that. Or when

607
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I never really did. It was

608
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: more about like what my dad was thinking or what

609
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: the next move was. It was never like, oh I

610
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: had to sit down and think about that's nowadays. Nowadays,

611
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: Now days you're gonna sit down. I collect my thoughts

612
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: and I think. Nowadays, I think about you know that,

613
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: you know I took the animals life. It's you know,

614
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: an important process. Um. But back then, I thought I

615
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: was lost. At the time, I was wondering where the

616
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: hell we were, how to which way the truck was. Um,

617
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: I had missed a huge buck earlier that day. It

618
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: just came. We did drives back then, like so you

619
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: can't understand. And then you worked this timber and here

620
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: comes this big buck bounding like communjor boom boom boom,

621
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: bounding through the rocks towards me. And I'm like, I

622
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: don't even know where I shot. It was just giant.

623
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: And so I was rattled from that. I thought we

624
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 1: were lost. Um, turns out we were only about four

625
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: yards from the truck. Yeah, that's kind of lost. Yeah.

626
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: So that was That's how my hunting career started. It's

627
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: just like you know, came our boots, uh oversized gun

628
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: basically for a fifteen year old and not knowing if

629
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: I or wondering if I had shot a dough or

630
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: a buck when I when I only a buck was legal,

631
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: and because my brother put that down in my head,

632
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: and it's like that's how it started. So not really

633
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: uh not you not a story book, not not the

634
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: glamorous life of You're saying that your stepdad got you

635
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: started and you guys had a contentious relationship. How was that?

636
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: You know, obviously most guys you know, prefer their dad

637
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: to be out there with them. How was that for you?

638
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: Trying to get through that? I mean it was that

639
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: was kind of like, you know, I wanted to share

640
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: something in common with you know, because I would. I

641
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: don't think I ever talked to him. I mean we

642
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: we lived in the same house. But it's like he

643
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, he had uh you know, now he's a

644
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: great guy, he's he's a he's laughs and everything else,

645
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: but back then, he you know, had some issues and

646
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: smoked and didn't have had a hard job. So it's

647
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: just like you know, building roads and asphalt and on

648
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: a role and that's it's just hard work. So it's

649
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: like no wonder. And then you've got some kid, teenager

650
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: who doesn't like you because you're not his dad, so

651
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: I can I get to give him a break too,

652
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: and um so he got to start a hunting just

653
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: to you know, kinda have something in common. And it

654
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: didn't really didn't really work. I didn't want to hang

655
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: out with him, but I liked hunting, and so that's

656
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: that got me started on that path. Did you you know?

657
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: I know I can think back to my first time

658
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: hunting and I could remember like the senses, smells, sounds,

659
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: I can remember that stuff. You know. Whether I'm a

660
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: manufacturing who knows, but I feel like I can. Did

661
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: you know it right away? Like oh this is me,

662
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: Like I found the thing I'm gonna do or did

663
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: it did it take a while? Um no? But what

664
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: I liked about it I didn't know. I didn't feel

665
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: like a natural hunter and if like, hey, this is

666
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: what I'm a predator? Finally figured it out. But I

667
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,479
Speaker 1: like that when I killed a buck that I got

668
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 1: positive reinforcement from men I look up to. And so that,

669
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of kids, a lot of

670
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: young men want that that positive affirmation and so that

671
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, if I had kill an animal it I

672
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: would get that. I would not get that for any end,

673
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: any other thing for the whole year. So it's like

674
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: I would maximize hunting season. And then turns out I was.

675
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: I was a pretty good hunter. I mean whatever that means,

676
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. Um, I killed bucks

677
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: and then my buddy really got me started bow hunting

678
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: when we were nineteen. I think I think a bow

679
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: hunter or ref hunter for three years. In the fourth

680
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: year sort of bow hunting, and uh, then it really

681
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: took off. The same thing as like I killed a

682
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: spike bowl my first year bow hunting, and at that time,

683
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: hardly anybody killed bulls in my little town with a bow.

684
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: So it's like that was a you know, the whole

685
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,959
Speaker 1: thing is like people said, oh, you got lucky. Maybe

686
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: I did get like you. I don't know, it's seventy

687
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: yard shot, but um, I shot like for hours every day,

688
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: so I put the arrow in there and the same thing,

689
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: it gave me something positive to build off of. Yeah,

690
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: that's huge when uh and you finally discover that, like

691
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: and you know, that's what you're gonna do you. I

692
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: think everybody that knows you knows about Roy Roth, right.

693
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: I mean I think people they're such a connection between

694
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: the two of you. Um, but you know, describe his

695
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: interests into your life and kind of you know what

696
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: that did for you at the time. Yeah, you know,

697
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of podcasts, and I always say that,

698
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: I said I retired from podcasts and I wasn't gonna

699
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: do anymore. Um, I said, we could do a very

700
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: short podcast. You're like, listen, this is my retirement announcement.

701
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: Tired of doing this now? Yeah, then I can always say, hey,

702
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: last podcast is mine. I could always have the retirement announcement. Yeah. Well,

703
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: so I just because I've I've said my story, you know,

704
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: but like I said, yeah, people have likely heard the

705
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: full the full story for good reason. Yeah. And so

706
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: what I'll say about um, Roy and how he came

707
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 1: up is in high school and I haven't I haven't

708
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: shared this, but Roy was he was pretty athletic. He

709
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: was year older than me, but he was always a

710
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: big guy and and he um he would really get

711
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: at baseball. The third base had an arm could hit um.

712
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: But we didn't really hang out much. In high school,

713
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: he had a trapping line. He would go out set

714
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: traps in the morning, always like doing his thing. I

715
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: always more. All I cared about was his football, mostly football,

716
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: and so we didn't really hang out. But when a

717
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: rifle hunted. He bow hunted the year before I did,

718
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: so it was like the first day of rifles season

719
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: opening day. Um. Here in western Oregon, it's like this

720
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: place where we lived is Warehouser Land, and there'd be

721
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: car after car after carter. We lived right on the

722
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: road that goes to the to Warehouser and so we'd

723
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: be up early and I'd I'd ask Roy. I was like,

724
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: I go, I'd call him the Guru because he just

725
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: was out there all the time trapping bow hunting. And uh,

726
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm told my buddy Jeff, I'm like, hey,

727
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call the guru and see if he's knows

728
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: got a landing we should go check or you know,

729
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: we should go check. So I'd call him and he'd say, yeah,

730
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: you know, go up to three thousand, you go to

731
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: the one fifteen, you go out to the second landing,

732
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: get there before light and you know there probably some

733
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: bucks out there. And so to beat every every rig,

734
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: you'd have to get up like it. They'd say you

735
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: couldn't go in for an hour before for daylight, but

736
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: everybody at the gate would be open, like at three

737
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: in the morning, because otherwise you'd have a line of

738
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: cars ten miles long. So we'd go up there and

739
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: sure as anything, we'd see box and you know, so

740
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: the guru. But then the next year that was my

741
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: last year rifle hunt. Then the next year Roy he said, hey,

742
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: you need you should hunt because there's way less people

743
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: and a lot more animals. You see a lot more.

744
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool, So we we started to hang

745
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: out then and I ordered a bow from bow Hunter's

746
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: discount warehouse, and I think my mom. It was a

747
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: Golden Eagle super Hawk Turbo camp for like a hundred

748
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: nineteen bucks and uh I I put it up at

749
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: uh ninety pounds and shotten aluminum arrows which were way

750
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: underspy and ways I can't I don't even know how

751
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: they flew. And uh that bow is sounded like a

752
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: twenty two going off and uh probably only shot still

753
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: about two or thirty ft second. But that's what I

754
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: killed that first bowl with. So since that time. I

755
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: mean Roy, the point of that story was we came

756
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: from different directions. I was more worried about sports. He

757
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: was more loves the outdoors, and then hunting brought us together,

758
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: and then bow hunting really solidified that. And then we

759
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: would start planning hunts and trips and we never had money,

760
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: but we would sell anything we could. So he had

761
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: a thirty thirties Grandpa gave him that we sold for

762
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: gas money to get over to the wilderness. And so

763
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: that was that's where that bond built because we would

764
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: just be like we would we would do anything whatever

765
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: it took to to to hunt, to to live. I mean,

766
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: we always want to get over the next ridge. I

767
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: always wanted to go further, go to the Promised Land,

768
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: and we've shared that. So that's where that relationship started.

769
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: Was that your you know, was that your best time hunting.

770
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: Do you feel like it was that the purest that

771
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: you've ever um he had or it is just you

772
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: don't compare to the things. Yeah, I don't think it

773
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: was pure. It was more at that time, I was

774
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: more I just wanted to kill. I just wanted I

775
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: didn't really value of the animal's life like I do now.

776
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: I just I didn't care. I was just like, I

777
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: didn't even think about it. I didn't even think about

778
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: how we all fit in this big puzzle and what

779
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: uh just what you know how special procuring your own

780
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: meat is and killing your an animal yourself and doing

781
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: all that. I didn't. I just wanted to get your buck. Yeah,

782
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: I got my body, get your bully. I killed bull.

783
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: It's I always felt like, And I think about it

784
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: all the times you think about we call it nowadays,

785
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: and people probably think I repeat myself, and I do.

786
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: Uh like the adult onset hunter, somebody that comes into

787
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: hunting like thirty five or forty just out of curiosity.

788
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: IM you know, I'm sure you run into a lot

789
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: of those folks you have that that personally kind of

790
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: comes in with that intellectual hurdle already build in. Yeah,

791
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: they've they know that they have to step into hunting

792
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: and rationalize things that when you're a kid, you don't

793
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: even think about. You don't think about your place in

794
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: the natural world when you're a fifteen year old dude

795
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: out shooting a buck. Never did so. I always think,

796
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: is it that it's necessary for you to have that

797
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: period of life where you're just hunting and you're not

798
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: thinking overthinking it to get to the point in your

799
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: life where you you can then say I've done all that.

800
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: I could sit back now and try to find this

801
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: better relationship with animals. And you feel like that or

802
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: it's something different for you, Yeah, I do. I feel

803
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: like that. I feel like it's part of the journey,

804
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, because I know regards. So when

805
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: you start, it feels like you just want success at first,

806
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: you just want to know you can do it. You're

807
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: you're you are a predator, you are a killer, you

808
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: are whatever. And then you mature into a more seasoned hunter.

809
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: So before you early, I think you started as a

810
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: killer and then, like I said, you you evolve into

811
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: a hunter with true appreciative appreciation for the land of

812
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: the animals. Um. When we started off, me and Roy

813
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: were just super competitive. I mean I remember being at

814
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: full draw and him bumping me out of the way

815
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: so he could shoot it a bull. So it's like

816
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: there's no the old hip check. Yeah, it's just like

817
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, actually we were just young guys. Yeah,

818
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: we we both wanted to kill a bull. It was

819
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: no like now you're up you know, I'm just as

820
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: happy for your success is mine. It's like, what that

821
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: would be impossible. I remember seeing at in a certain

822
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: bear camp where you at Joe Rogan we're shooting the

823
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: freaking little archery tournament that I was like, yeah, yeah,

824
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: a little part of so you still have that competitive streak,

825
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: I know, yeah for that, but for for the animals. Yeah,

826
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: the animal's life now taken it different, but yeah I'm

827
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: still competitive. You know. That's my kids about that. So

828
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 1: you know, I when do you break it too? Because

829
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: we could, you know, I could ask you the questions

830
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: everybody always asked you, But when do you break it

831
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: to wanting to like take this stake that you learned,

832
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, in the stages that you learned it and

833
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: tell other people about it. Because you broke you started

834
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: to write, he started to communicate, you know, and you

835
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: started to build a career around talking about what you

836
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: were doing. I would say, earlier on in your books

837
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: and your writings for East Visit and and different things,

838
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: it was more like here's how to hunt, here's why

839
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: the hunt. It was a more drilled down approach. Yeah,

840
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: it's it's broader now, but but at some when you

841
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: had to decide, like, I think I could communicate to

842
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: folks on here. Yeah, um, you know that was That's

843
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: why I loved hunting. The very first that deer I killed,

844
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: that spike buck, I wrote a story about it for

845
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: a rush and uh, I was so I've always had.

846
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: I loved telling the story. I loved sharing my experiences.

847
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: So I did that, and I remember my English teacher's

848
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: name was Mr Howard. He said, you know what you're

849
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: you're pretty good at this. You should refer the school newspaper.

850
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: So that was my first ever I wrote about a

851
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: spike buck my first book, and ever. I mean, I

852
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: always just enjoyed the written aspect of sharing my hunt,

853
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: and so that evolved from there too. You know, I

854
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: sent any magazine, Oregon Hunter magazine or uh. Doug Walker

855
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: used to have a big paper magazine called Western bow Hunter,

856
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: and then he had one called National bow Hunter. And

857
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: they didn't pay, but they put put your stuff in there,

858
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: and you'd always right, and you say, you know, I

859
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: pulled my Easton double X seventy five over my flipper

860
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: rest and my thunderhead. You know, that's how people wrote.

861
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: They would just say it's like, oh that your writers,

862
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: which is how we know time had passed because you're

863
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: shooting a thunderhead. Oh yeah, I know, thunderhead. That was it.

864
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: That was like, yeah and and so, but that's how

865
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: people wrote, and so that's I came up like that.

866
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: And then it evolved into why I wanted to self

867
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: publish a book. Nobody had written a book on blacktail,

868
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: but hunting blacktail. They had on on rifle hunting blacktail,

869
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: and uh so I I self published that and made

870
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of poor decisions, made the book all glossy

871
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: and full color and cost fifty six thousand dollars and

872
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: I didn't even have any money, so I borrowed all that.

873
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: But that launched me into Eastman's. That was the next step.

874
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: And so it's just kind of it always started sharing

875
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: the communication with the written word. That's how That's how

876
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: it started. I was like a lot of people probably

877
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: know that about you. I think that you know, I

878
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: think your your book has kind of stood the test

879
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: as your back country the back country the Blacktail one.

880
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: I had five thousand printed and uh I still have

881
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: maybe a two cases. I mean, so they weren't like,

882
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: whereas in what year did that come in? That was Yeah,

883
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: So that was that twenty years years ago, twenty years

884
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: and then so then Back Country came out in two

885
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: thousand six and that sold fifty copies. So it's just

886
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: like that's been on the good one And I got

887
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: to give Eastman's credit for that. They gave me that

888
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: platform and helped build that following and and you know

889
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: with that book came came to be through them, and

890
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: so um, yeah, I'll always be grateful for the Eastman's

891
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: for that chance. Was there amo where You're like, man,

892
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: I got a career now I still have a full

893
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: time job still Yeah wait, wait, we gotta were gonna

894
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: talk about that ship. Yeah, because I know that's another thing.

895
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't think people know you haven't nine to five job.

896
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: In fact, when I landed, you're like getting off the

897
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: five yeah meets, you know all Um, I think I

898
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: know a lot of people just think that this guy

899
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: must just run. He's runs, must be nice, must be

900
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: nice camp. Yeah, um talk about you, like, talk about

901
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: what your job is, because people want to know what

902
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: your damn job is. Yeah, Like why you still have it?

903
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: Because I know Joe and I have in the past,

904
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: Rogan and I in the past, I went on campaigns

905
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: try to get you to give it up. The biggest

906
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing for me is I don't

907
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: think I'm special. I don't think I do. I don't

908
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: know if I deserve I don't know what I think,

909
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: but I just don't I think that. Um. All I'm

910
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: really good at is working, being a hard worker. That's

911
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: why I've had success. And that's just my job. That's

912
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: what I do. So I've had that that job for

913
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: twenty four years. And uh, it's just, you know, the

914
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: hunting thing is pretty volatile industry. I mean, fall of

915
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: a sudden, I can't hit something with an arrow and

916
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: things aren't dying. And I'm not sharing. I'm not you know,

917
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: I don't know who knows what if something crazy happens

918
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I'm not of value to

919
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: the industry. I can't feed my family if that's all

920
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: I did. I don't think I'm not special. I think

921
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: I could easily screw something up. So I'm like, yeah,

922
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: I'm not that really that big a deal. I'm just

923
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: gonna keep my nine to five and and make it work.

924
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: And um and another part is hunting has always been

925
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: what I love, you know. Um, And that's kind of

926
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: got me into trouble a little bit sometimes with sponsors

927
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: or potential sponsors where they'd say, well, we want you

928
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: to do this or use a rifle on this hunt,

929
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't rifle on no. I know, yeah,

930
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: you don't rifle hunt, but just for this hunt, I'm like, no,

931
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. So it's I never really

932
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: wanted to feel pressure to do something I really didn't

933
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: want to do because it's feeding My family relies on it.

934
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: Like you said, if you make hunting a job and

935
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: hunting the job, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I mean

936
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: I still understand. I still feel pressured to produce. But

937
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: it's different because I'm like, you know what if somebody,

938
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: like if a sponsor says, yeah, you know what, you

939
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: we didn't like this, I'll be like, Okay, screw you,

940
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm gone that. I like having that. And I because

941
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: I have a good job and my job over at

942
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: the utilities, I'm a the superintendent of water and uh

943
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: I like the people in charge of engineering and construction.

944
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: I like the guys are hard workers. Uh. I like

945
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: going into work every day. It's always a challenge and uh,

946
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: you to wear a student time. No, this is what

947
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: I wore. Okay, good, Yeah, keep hammering shirt. I'm just

948
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: that's what I give people a no, Yeah, I wear

949
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: a student time. Yeah. So, I I mean I like work.

950
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: It's one of the few talents I have is being

951
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: a hard worker. And then I like not not having

952
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: my passion solid by money. Yeah, it makes sense, and

953
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: it's hard to It's hard when you when you make

954
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: the thing you love your job. You like you your

955
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: job is to hunt your job. Holy ship, that must

956
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: be the greatest thing in the world. You're passionate your job.

957
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: They intersect. That doesn't mean it's easy. Yeah, it means

958
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: still a job, and those things are tough. So being

959
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: able to have that autonomy to to do things you

960
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: want to do, I certainly worked out well for you.

961
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I don't. I'm grateful for for

962
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: what I have and success and the opportunities I've had,

963
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't feel like I quote made it. Ever,

964
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I never feel like I would never even

965
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: think about anything. I always just think about the next

966
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 1: thing I want to do. So it's I mean, I'm

967
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: still hungry's still working hard. Uh. I still feel a

968
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: lot of pressure hunting. I mean I've always felt pressure

969
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: that I put on myself, but now I know that,

970
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: you know, for filming an out cunt and there's you know,

971
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: a wide camera guy there, tight camera guy there, a

972
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: photographer there. It's like and then somebody's gonna edit the film.

973
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: You know it's gonna be I don't know writing on

974
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: if I can make a shot, that's pressure. That's pressure.

975
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: And the animal doesn't care. The animal could care less

976
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: about what you can play. And so it's like bo

977
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: and bow hunting is like it's easy to screw up.

978
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: It is really easy to screw up. I shoot my

979
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: boat every single day hoping I don't but there's no guarantee.

980
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: So that's you know, you know, there's there's times. Uh,

981
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean you can't let the pressure get to you,

982
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: but it's I know it's there. And how do you

983
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: remain I go through this a little bit too, But

984
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: how do you remain ethical in that situation? Like what

985
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: do you what do you do to ground your ethics?

986
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: Because you know you had all these like influences coming

987
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: from like camera, God, you gotta shoot this, gotta get

988
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: a good shot. You gotta kill the big bull. How

989
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: do you how do you balance that all that stuff

990
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: and try to remain true you know, to the to

991
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: the ethics of them, you know, of the pursuit. Yeah.

992
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: Um again, I think it goes back to I can

993
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: walk away anytime I want. Um. But you know, I

994
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: don't like letting people down. Even we talked about the

995
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: social media people. I don't like letting them down. The

996
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: guy who asked me to be his best man, I

997
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: don't like letting him down. I don't want to let

998
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: a cameraman down either, you know, because that guy is

999
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: doing a job. He's usually he doesn't get any glory.

1000
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: If I make a good shot and people see it,

1001
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: it's like, oh great shot, cam. The guy who got

1002
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: it seldom gets any So I mean he wants me

1003
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: to kill He's trying to do his job, So I

1004
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: don't want to let him down. So yeah, the the

1005
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: ethics saying are staying true to the to the hunters

1006
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: true journey, not producing something. Yeah, it's like it's a

1007
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: tight rope there. Um. But I I mean, I always

1008
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: my goal is to always do the right thing. Um.

1009
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: Never four shots. Always I want a merciful death on

1010
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: the animal. I wanted to make a perfect shot. I

1011
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: wanted to die quickly. And I don't still people don't

1012
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: understand this. I still don't feel good about killing an animal. Um,

1013
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: it's I know, it's dying. You know. Before when I

1014
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: was a kid and I did, I just was a killer.

1015
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: Now I do have a more a deeper um connection

1016
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: to the animal, and so the death is you know,

1017
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: it's not something I'm hooping a hollering about, which just

1018
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: part of what I do. Yeah, I mean here's something,

1019
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: uh that I have. I hope you're okay talking about?

1020
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: Like when a winner in bear camp? Uh? Was it

1021
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 1: some like three years ago now that that was Yeah,

1022
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: probably up there with John and jen Um. You kill

1023
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: the bear and then as it's in its death mold,

1024
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: you run over and you put your hands on the bear. Right. Yeah.

1025
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: I remember thinking a lot of things, but thinking this

1026
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: dude's crazy. Yeah, his dude's awesome. Yeah, And this is

1027
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: something that you can misunderstand if you look at it wrong.

1028
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: But haven't been there and talk to you about it.

1029
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: We skinned the bear out in the middle of the night,

1030
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: didn't sleep, Yeah, and we had some conversations about it.

1031
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like This is one of those things

1032
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: that people would misunderstand if they saw it. But being

1033
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: there and seeing you do it, I knew why you

1034
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: were doing it. So to explain people that kind of

1035
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 1: that what you were going through and why you would

1036
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 1: do something like that, as we talked about just the

1037
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: evolution of a hunter. So now killing a bear is

1038
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: it's it's very important to me, are not important. It's

1039
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: just a powerful moment. And if I can be there

1040
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 1: and this is like a Native American thing, county coups.

1041
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: If you can, if you can be there and touched

1042
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: the animal while it is still alive and as a

1043
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 1: spirit leaves, you're there, and uh, that's kind of how

1044
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: that started. And um, you know, I don't know, I know,

1045
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: and I do I have I have it on film,

1046
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: but I remember we talked about that. He showed that

1047
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: it's just like people wouldn't get it. It's Hardy's going

1048
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: to understand. You can't, But to me, it's to me,

1049
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: it means you know, I'm there when I don't. And

1050
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 1: on that one, and I've done it a few times,

1051
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: but I'm there and the animals still alive, and I'm saying,

1052
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's okay. Go and I'm telling the animal

1053
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's, um, I'm just basically taking responsibility for

1054
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: killing it and and just there as a as a

1055
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: life leaves and it's uh, I don't know John Rivett too,

1056
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 1: he's he's you know, he's the same type of person

1057
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: that really values the animal's life. And you know you

1058
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: said you moved, but you know we've had tears on

1059
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 1: our eyes and we're supposedly big tough hunters. But that's

1060
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: that's that moment. I mean, it's it's a big deal.

1061
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: It's a big deal to kill an animal now, and

1062
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: uh so I don't take it lightly. I know, you know,

1063
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: it's I know, it's what I do. And it's part

1064
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: of how why we're here. We eat animals are uh

1065
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, there are a resource for us and if

1066
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: we manage them right. But you know, the killing is

1067
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: still uh still not I mean, it's a it's a

1068
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: big deal. So that's that's basically the counting coup and

1069
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: and being there with the bar and that's that's a

1070
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: hard one to get it. Like, like I said that,

1071
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: do you do you just feel like it's hard to

1072
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: explain to people. And if you put the video on

1073
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: social media. I remember, like, I think you put it

1074
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: up and then it took it down, and I was

1075
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 1: maybe trying to convince you to put it up because

1076
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: I was like, this is I kind of was. I

1077
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: saw this and talking to you at the moment, like

1078
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: this is cool. You have to share this. But then

1079
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: you put it up. It's like you just open it

1080
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: up to so much criticism, and it's something that people

1081
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: just can't get a perspective on. You know, they would

1082
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: have to have done it themselves. Or no, they'd have

1083
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: to they'd have to have probably walked in my shoes.

1084
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: My journey is a hunter and done exactly to know

1085
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: exactly how I feel, and I can't expect to anybody

1086
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: else to feel that way. And if you do understand

1087
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: like you do, then I'm thankful. But I can't expect

1088
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: people to understand, um, only me. So that's just for me.

1089
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: So that's why you know it's probably not smart. I mean,

1090
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: the bear. Maybe I'll run up on a bear and

1091
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: it all, yeah, do you want to get a tack?

1092
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: And then then yeah, don't just say I'm stupid. They'll say,

1093
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: um whatever, But that doesn't I don't care. It doesn't

1094
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: matter to me. I do it for me and I

1095
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: do it. Um. I don't know, I don't know why,

1096
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, that just came to me, and I

1097
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: didn't planned to bring that up. I was like, man,

1098
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: I just I just remember that and that camp was

1099
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: interesting for a lot of reasons, but it's I think

1100
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: it's the first time we've met, or one of the

1101
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: first times we had met. Um, And I tell people

1102
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: the story all the time. But I shot a bear

1103
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 1: at the very last minute. Yeah, like the last thing evening,

1104
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: sitting with John, like, bear comes in. It was quartering

1105
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: two shot. It was a pretty easy ran, you know,

1106
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: not too far. We got him up and got him

1107
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: back and it was, oh, I don't know what two

1108
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: in the morning, three in the morning by time we

1109
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: got it back because it's dark, it's light until eleven

1110
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: d there, it's a long drive back to camp, and

1111
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: we had to get to the airport like five in

1112
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: the morning, so we had a brief time and a

1113
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: couple of hours drive and so Um, everybody else scampered

1114
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: off to bed, as you know, as they probably should have.

1115
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: You were nice enough to stay up with me so

1116
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: we could skin this bear and get the meat all

1117
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: taken care of it a dual cooler. And I tell

1118
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: that story all the time just because it's that's the

1119
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that we go through. His hunters like

1120
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: you can't when people say, like, what's that campaigns like like, looks,

1121
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, I've never had a sleepover, although now I'll

1122
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: tell him about tonight's sleepover. It was like, you know,

1123
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: we're not best friends, but I had this this this

1124
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: happened right, and he fucking manned up, got the knife

1125
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: and we stood there and that it was raining two

1126
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: wasn't and we stood there in the fucking rain, and

1127
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: it was getting to bear together. Yeah it was two

1128
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: in the morning. You're half a loopie, yeah, and you're

1129
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: ripping the guts out of a bear. Yeah. That's just unique.

1130
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: It's us unique thing that not a lot of people

1131
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: go through together. Yea. And for me, it's I enjoy

1132
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: that part as much as anything. I enjoy the work party.

1133
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: I go back to the to the working deal, but

1134
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: I enjoy that as as much as anything. So standing

1135
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: there in the rain, that's a story, that's an experience,

1136
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: that's something that yeah, you know, the whole business part

1137
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: of this, we do this and it's you know, a

1138
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: meat eater and before that Yetty and I do what

1139
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: I do and I'm I'm uh, I guess a hunting athlete.

1140
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, those are the

1141
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: moments you said, You've told her a few times, so

1142
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: that's just what we shared. We shared that, and it's

1143
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: just like to me, those are the experiences, right is it?

1144
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: And I you kind of go back to like when

1145
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: you started writing and you're telling people your story and

1146
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: you're putting yourself out there. What is an expert or

1147
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: somebody with experience right then you want to share? But

1148
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: then too, when we get to the live semi live

1149
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: sharing of that, like you gotta determine whether I don't

1150
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: think we might have made a post or something when

1151
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: we skin the bear, but we didn't. We just skin

1152
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: the bear. Yeah, we're probably drinking beer, I would imagine. No,

1153
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: we didn't belabor that. It wasn't like we were trying

1154
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: to get a bunch of attention or what you know,

1155
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: late night bear skin and probably would have got some

1156
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: attention probably. Yeah, maybe it's kind of fun. It's it's

1157
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: just for us. Yeah, I said I wouldn't go back

1158
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: to social media. That fucking always gets me better. It

1159
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: gets me every time. Um, but you get like, where

1160
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: in where in your career do you feel like you know,

1161
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: you went from a dedicated hunter who did a lot

1162
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: of sharing of your story to be like said, like

1163
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: a hunting a folie, like a dude they got sponsored

1164
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: by people, Like where'd that shift for you? Because it

1165
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: was I'm sure it didn't shift on a time and

1166
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: it took time. But it's been a grind. It's been

1167
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: a grind, um, you know. I you know, and since

1168
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: you brought up social media before Damner again, uh, it

1169
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: always gets Yeah, it's I was like, I can kind

1170
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: of sympathize and not sympathize, but understand where those the

1171
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: hater troll dip ships come from because I was kind

1172
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: of like that myself, you know, when I was hunting

1173
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: my ass off on not. I mean, Oregon hasn't known

1174
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: for great hunting. Nobody's planning a big trip to Oregon

1175
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: from Utah, you know what I mean, or Colorado, and

1176
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: so it's not that great of hunting is the best

1177
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: that I have. So I made the most of it.

1178
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: But all I wanted to do is right and I

1179
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: wanted to be a writer and I wanted to share

1180
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: my stories, and I couldn't get a chance. And I

1181
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: thought to myself, God, look at these guys. If if

1182
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: I had those same opportunities, I would kill just like them.

1183
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: I would, I could do that, I could write just

1184
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: as good. And so I was a hater. I didn't

1185
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: have the I don't know if I would have made

1186
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: a post about it, like idiots do. Write a letter

1187
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: to somebody, I don't like what you're doing, put a

1188
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: stamp on him, yeah sincerely. Um yeah, So it's but

1189
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: I so the mindset I get about wanting the same

1190
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: opportunities and thinking that you could do the same. So

1191
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: I get it. I understand it. I know what that

1192
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: feels like. So you know, I think they're idiots about

1193
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: some of the stuff they go on about. Um And

1194
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: I don't see myself making a post or a meme

1195
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: taking a shot of somebody, But I get the I

1196
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: get what they're going through kind of a little bit.

1197
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: So it's good to hear because I think like people

1198
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: develop their opinions, right, they just develop them based on

1199
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: what they can see. And all I can see is

1200
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: is what's online. I want to talk about a couple

1201
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: of things in the news. One of them is if

1202
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: you were run and say you were running in Colorado

1203
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: and say that, uh, a mountain lion jumped out and

1204
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: attacked you, a full grown mountain lion. Well, maybe it's

1205
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: a kiddie. Maybe it's like a little baby. Yeah. Uh

1206
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: do you think you could choke it out? I don't know, man,

1207
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: You know, I know that has been in the news

1208
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: and you know comes out it was not not just

1209
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,439
Speaker 1: a juvenile, but I think a kitten. Yeah, I don't.

1210
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't pretend to know, Like we're talking earlier, I

1211
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: don't pretend to though if it was a little baby

1212
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: or what. But like it was a mountain lion. But

1213
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: have you ever tried to hold down a house cat? Yeah,

1214
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: it'll rip the ship at fuck you up? Yeah? So

1215
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: that what is that? Like eight pounds? Yeah, we're talking

1216
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: about earlier. Has anybody ever been attacked by a squirrels

1217
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: that would suck? They have large tails that are distracting.

1218
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: It's all misdirection with a squirrel. You don't want to

1219
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: funk with that squirrel. Uh. I feel as if, like

1220
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: I keep hearing and I READICALI was like twenty six pounds. Yeah,

1221
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't give you that's a big cat still a

1222
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: pretty big cat. If it was walking around your house,

1223
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: you wouldn't steal its milk. Yeah, I'm telling you that

1224
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: right now. So I mean in killing anything, I mean

1225
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,439
Speaker 1: killing the animals. I mean, everything has a will to live,

1226
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: will to survive. So you're trying to try to kill it.

1227
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: I don't care how big it is. It's not gonna

1228
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: be easy. It's safe to say that most of us

1229
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: haven't choked down any animals ever. Uh no matter what

1230
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: they were. I've never choked any animals now. Yeah, so

1231
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: it's really easy to sit back. Oh it's just a kitten.

1232
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, what's your move though? Like if you're

1233
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: just just running, yeah, and you and then next thing

1234
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to you know, you've got a kid,

1235
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: mountain lion, Yeah, on your back? What's the move? God,

1236
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't even like a dany t like you can

1237
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: grab it by its neck, slam it. There's no there's

1238
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: no turn buckle to go off of. You go low.

1239
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: You try to get I don't man, I don't know,

1240
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: because you try to hold like a neck and then

1241
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: all he got he's gonna rip your four ft just

1242
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: tearing you up up. So I don't really, I don't know.

1243
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: It's a tough one. I don't know what I do

1244
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: to there. I got nothing. I would probably scream and cry.

1245
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't have Yeah, I mean they got a tail

1246
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: you could swing around by. Maybe I can't. I don't

1247
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: know the details, but I can't imagine the guy just

1248
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: held it down and it choked. Didn't even if it

1249
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: was a kid. I don't know how it's gotten. It's got.

1250
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: I think he took a rock, didn't he. I don't know,

1251
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: a rock and hit it maybe and then't choked it.

1252
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: That's what you would do though, Yeah, yeah, I mean

1253
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: you gotta knock it, you know, unconscious. Probably get a

1254
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: big stick, That's what I do. Hit it with a

1255
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: big stick something and then uheah. You need a weapon

1256
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: and then give it a good choking. Our skins pretty soft.

1257
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: You need a weapon. But you never had any bear

1258
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: like serious bear running it's heavy, like real serious where

1259
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: you felt that there was you know, intimate danger something

1260
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: that yeah. I mean, you know, me and Roy hunt

1261
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: in Prince of Wales Island for a number of years

1262
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: and we had we had another time a bear we

1263
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: were on a blood trail is at night and uh,

1264
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: here comes this bear down the trail and we scramble.

1265
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: We're all we have his bow is we never had

1266
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: rifles but uh. And we got out of there and

1267
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: we got back down the trail and I'm like the

1268
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: bear turned out to be another bear. So it wasn't

1269
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: the bear we were trailing. It was another bear, but

1270
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: we thought it was the bear we were trailing. So

1271
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, ship, here he comes. But we

1272
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: got down the trail and I remember stopping. I go.

1273
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: I told Roy, I go, did you push me to

1274
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: that bear? Towards that bear? He's like, well, you had

1275
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: the bow, he goes, I didn't have anything, so he

1276
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: pushed me and it took off running. He seems to

1277
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: do that a lot. So it's just like that's like

1278
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: kind of survival of the fittest. For for some survival

1279
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: of the strongest maybe or most or quicker. But um,

1280
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: so we've had that. Then one time I was with

1281
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: Rivets and you know, I would like sitting on the

1282
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: ground there having those bears coming close. Well, what time

1283
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: this bear came in and it's like, you know, we

1284
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: the bear just we might back up like you're you know,

1285
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: it's abated hunt. Right, you're how far away from the bait?

1286
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: Like I've sat there with you, it's not very far,

1287
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: a few a few feet away. And at one time

1288
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 1: you had just a knife. I remember you had your

1289
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: knife out. Yeah. So it's it's an intense and it's

1290
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: not just a bear. I mean, it's it's I remember

1291
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,520
Speaker 1: herds of bears. That's the thing. My plan is. Uh,

1292
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: my plan is I have John. I tell John this too,

1293
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, don't stop, keep recording if this happens.

1294
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: But so I have my knife in my right hand.

1295
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: My plan is left hand, put four arm in his

1296
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: mouth my left hand, and then then stab under his

1297
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: armpit into his heart with a knife. What do you think?

1298
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a that's that's nice. Uh did your

1299
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: wife know this? So in my head it works perfect.

1300
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: I mean, like if you punctual worings on the floor,

1301
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 1: you should start wearing like a kevilar sleeve. Yeah, Because

1302
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have this plan, I want to help

1303
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: you out by saying you should maybe wear like you know,

1304
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: like chainmail like the Nights of the or like get

1305
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 1: some shin guards like for soccer. Yeah, so that would

1306
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 1: be I can't wait for that underarm video where you

1307
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: just pull up your jacket and there's chainmail and you're like, well,

1308
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: if something happens, yeah, here's the here's the deal. This

1309
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,759
Speaker 1: is heavy and comb or something. I'm sweating, but yeah,

1310
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: so here the one time the bear came in and

1311
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: he just looked not good. You can look just like

1312
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: you see a dog and you look at a dog

1313
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't like sideways. I don't like

1314
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: the looks of that dog. Well, this is how that

1315
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: bear was. And and John said, you know, we need

1316
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on this bear will end up

1317
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: coming around about four yards from me. And I was

1318
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: sitting on the ground, so to get up, I had

1319
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: to like lean back against the tree to get leveraged

1320
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: to push my legs up. I think I was on

1321
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: my knees. So I leaned back and there's that leaning

1322
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: back six inches the bear. I think I felt like

1323
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: I was retreat eating. That's what they want. So if

1324
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: they feel dominant, they're reading body language. Of course they

1325
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: can't talk, so they're always about how big are you,

1326
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: what are you doing? What's your body language? My body

1327
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 1: language was passive and so it got aggressive. So it

1328
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: came and then I stood up and it like close

1329
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: the distance fast, and I stood up and I was like, no,

1330
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: like that and stopped and it stopped, thank god. But

1331
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: uh so that was a little bit. And then other

1332
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: times me and Roy had grizzlies, you know, because that's

1333
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: what you say when you're sitting on a bait like

1334
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: that and you're in in Alberta there's grizzlies around. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1335
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 1: I haven't had any issues with grizzlies up there, but

1336
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: just in Alaska, we we hunted grizzlies and so we'd have,

1337
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, just stuff going with them. But yeah, back

1338
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: to he did your wife know about this? Do you

1339
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 1: guys talk about it? No? No, really, that's okay, Sracy,

1340
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: don't listen to this. It off right now. She knows

1341
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna have some makeing of like what you're you know, well,

1342
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, you know, my best friend died on

1343
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: the mountain, So I mean, she knows there's risks with

1344
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: what we do. Uh. I don't know if she knows

1345
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: that I increase those risks intentionally, but uh, you know,

1346
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, as I got as I said earlier, Uh

1347
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: and it goes to the hunt too. We've always just

1348
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: wanted to live life to the fullest. We want to.

1349
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: I like to be close to bears. I like to

1350
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: be on the highest mountain. I like to Uh, you know,

1351
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: people have seen the video where on the mountain that

1352
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: Roy fell from. We're up there and I killed I

1353
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: shot a sheep and it was right on the edge

1354
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: of a cliff, and you know how to go down

1355
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: there and pull it, um, stop it from falling over

1356
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: the cliff when it was dying, and it wasn't dead

1357
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: yet and I'm holding it. So it's just we just

1358
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: we're just trying to live in and just experience every moment,

1359
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: every hunt to its fullest. And that does come with

1360
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: risks sometimes, so she understands. So, Um, speaking of news, Um,

1361
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 1: you and I were talking about before this. Wee get

1362
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,560
Speaker 1: there's a big thing happening right now, a big complicated

1363
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: thing happening in our world right now, something you're involved in.

1364
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm involved in relatively indirectly, but uh, something that I

1365
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: want to address. And it's not it's about the definition

1366
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: of uncomfortable for me and I'm sure for you. It's

1367
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: not something either one of us even really I think

1368
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: I understand, but so we should talk about. And that's

1369
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: Adam green Tree and his poaching case down in Australia. Um.

1370
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: You know, what we know right now is that he

1371
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: was there was some evidence that he was in a

1372
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: national park and shot a red deer. Uh. The the

1373
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: wildlife officials down there say they have evidence and they

1374
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 1: charged him with with entering a national park and just

1375
01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: discharging his bow. He Um. He delayed the case camp here,

1376
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: had about what six six to nine, you know, six

1377
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: or eight months trip with his family, and then went

1378
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: back um and pleaded guilty to the charge and then

1379
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: went to court and the judge throughout the conviction or

1380
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: gave no conviction. So he had no fine, no no conviction,

1381
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: and he continued hunting um. And so that's kind of

1382
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: where we are now. And he released a statement uh

1383
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: today or early um yesterday evening saying that one that

1384
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: there was there was some some corruption in the prosecution

1385
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: of this case. There was some planted evidence on the

1386
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: part of of the d p I in Australia. So

1387
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: it made some some pretty uh substantial and scandal his

1388
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: claims against the folks that went to charging um. So

1389
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: there's where we are. I mean, I think we both

1390
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: said were confused a little bit by it, and we

1391
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 1: both talked to Adam and expressed our feelings that he

1392
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: should come out and speak a little bit more of

1393
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: his truth. Like where's your head out on it right now?

1394
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: What do you what do you want people to know about? Yeah?

1395
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: About what where you are? Yeah? As of now, I mean,

1396
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: he hasn't said anything publicly that I've seen. There hasn't

1397
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: been a post, which I understand it's uncomfortable. Um, just

1398
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: for me, it's just the basics. Uh, I can't support

1399
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: hunting in a national park, can't obviously can't support killing

1400
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 1: an animal there. Um that said, Um, he told me

1401
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: he didn't do it, he said he Uh, it wasn't true. Um.

1402
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: He said that they were trumped up charges in my words. Um,

1403
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: and you know people have been trying to bring him

1404
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: down there. Uh. You know, I know I've seen evidence

1405
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: of haters and just normal stuff. I can't say this

1406
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: anything out of the ordinary from even what I get. Um.

1407
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: You know, when you're successful, you're gonna have some haters.

1408
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: That's just the way it goes. Um. So he told

1409
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: he told me that it wasn't true. And in my

1410
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: experience with Adam, UM, he I mean, he's been nothing

1411
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: but a h percent truththroll with me. He's a hard hunter.

1412
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: He's been shown honor to the animals, respect to the hunt,

1413
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: respect to the people in camp. So I can only

1414
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: judge that. I can only judge what I know about him,

1415
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: and what I know about him is, you know, he's

1416
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:36,520
Speaker 1: one of the best hunters I've ever been around. Um stuff,

1417
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: you know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't

1418
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: know what to say. I I told him, I texted him.

1419
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: I didn't I haven't talked to him, but I texted him,

1420
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: and I just said, you know, I know it's expensive

1421
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: to fight these things, because I do. I mean, and

1422
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't know where he's at financially. I

1423
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: don't know what it would be like to be in

1424
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: that situation. But I told him if it was me

1425
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: and I didn't do something, I would never say I did.

1426
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: I'd never plead guilty for something I didn't do. I

1427
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: don't care how much it costs, but I'm not. I

1428
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: don't know what his bills are, I don't know where

1429
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: he is. I don't know. I can't it. It'd be

1430
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: silly of me to say you should do this when

1431
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in his personal life. So, uh,

1432
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: it's hard because we we both you can say, like

1433
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: he I think, now where we are, you know, and

1434
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 1: and again it's what's a martial Levens just so people

1435
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: know we're recording this now, and it's well, Amy, whatever

1436
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: the day today is to lose, it's well, so you know,

1437
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: we are where we are. There'll be more that comes out.

1438
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 1: I always think that we tend to jump to conclusions,

1439
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: and we tend to the court of public opinion is

1440
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: rabid and has has There's a lot of folks that

1441
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 1: have tried at him prior to his People are asking

1442
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: about a month ago, and he was trying to convicted

1443
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: in the court of public opinion for a long time. Yeah,

1444
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: And so I think people have kind of settled into

1445
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: their side, right, they've settled into not much is going

1446
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: to change. Yeah. I support Adam. I always support Adham.

1447
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: He's great or uh, he's a terrible poacher and he's

1448
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: a liar and he's a he's evil all right, So

1449
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: it seems like people have kind of either settled into

1450
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: one of those camps. Currently with what we know, it's

1451
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: a very confusing situation. You know, here's the guy that

1452
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to something but did get convicted. Has to

1453
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: you and I said that he didn't do it. The

1454
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,560
Speaker 1: charges were and he told me that the quote that

1455
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 1: that the judge saw through the bullshit and that's why

1456
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:34,839
Speaker 1: there was no conviction hand down. And so there's evidence

1457
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 1: that to support adams claims of of their beings trumped

1458
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: up charges. Um. And they're being like you said, haters

1459
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: or people that are out to get him for his

1460
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: success in fame. So there is there is that um,

1461
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: but there's you know, there's other sides to it too.

1462
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: So it's like I say, it's a confusing thing. I'll

1463
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: reiterate what you said. I believe this is a good person. Yeah,

1464
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: this is I would go as far as it's it's

1465
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: an outstanding person. This is a person that I admire, um.

1466
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: And I'll say he's an exceptional human and his family

1467
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: is awesome. And the times I've spent with him in

1468
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: the field and some of them you were there for.

1469
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 1: He's like studious, he's like caring. He uh is safe

1470
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: and and hunts with respect. And it does it means

1471
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: what he says, It says what he means very much

1472
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: in my experience with Adam so and and I think

1473
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,879
Speaker 1: we both call him a friend, so this one incident

1474
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: won't affect my friendship with with Adam. I would I'll

1475
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 1: tell him, honestly as I'll tell everybody listens to this,

1476
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 1: if if he did poach from a national park that

1477
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 1: I soundly reject that idea. And if any of my

1478
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: friends are close family members go poach, they're gonna hear

1479
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: it from me. Hunting is it means? And I told

1480
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: him this too in attack, It's just like it. It

1481
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: feels like this sabotages all the we've done for for

1482
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: me for thirty years. I mean, because it kind of

1483
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 1: taints it a little bit. Not a little bit, I

1484
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 1: mean it's I mean, you can just try to justify

1485
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: it all you want and say, well it's it's dear

1486
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: they kill a bunch of them. They haven't even been

1487
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: regulated down there, but it just the optics of it

1488
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: aren't good. And so we've done so much good for hunting,

1489
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: and including him and I hunting together, and it's people

1490
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,440
Speaker 1: have really enjoyed it. And I just you know, it's

1491
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: if it's not true like he says, then um, it

1492
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: just soundens me that a sabotages the good work we've

1493
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: done and just and it makes me really thankful I

1494
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: still have a regal job because I can just be like,

1495
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 1: you know what, fuck this, I just I love hunting.

1496
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: I just love hunting. I love being in the mounds.

1497
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: This is who I am a bow hunter. I don't

1498
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 1: need this stuff because it's it's exhausting to me. It

1499
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: is um Yeah, and we said that. We both said that,

1500
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 1: I think, and I don't want to put words of

1501
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: rumail so correct be if I'm wrong, but I think

1502
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: we both are thinking. You know, the statement that Adam

1503
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: put out there, I think you did post it on

1504
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: Facebook as of today. But the statement he put out

1505
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: there makes a charge that the officials there that were

1506
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 1: prosecuting him framed him. That's why. Boy, that's heavy. And

1507
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: if it's true, holy like ship, that is a that's

1508
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 1: a big deal. And I can't imagine being in that situation.

1509
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: And I also can't imagine having to, you know, to

1510
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: put that out there and say, hey, in my case,

1511
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 1: the Montana Fish and Wildlife Police, the f WP framed me.

1512
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: If it was true, you know, And so I can't

1513
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: imagine being in that situation. And it is that's a

1514
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 1: salacious thing to put out in the public forum. And

1515
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: so it's gonna you know, people are gonna talk about

1516
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: it because it is interesting and it has a compelling

1517
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: storyline it. So you know, I think morel will probably

1518
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: come out. I hope more will come out. I hope

1519
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: Adam will speak. He has my support as a friend,

1520
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: and he knows that. I hope he knows that. Um.

1521
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 1: But we just have to see how it plays out. Again.

1522
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 1: Poaching is wrong. Yeah, it's just wrong, you know. Yeah.

1523
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: I mean there's no there's no argument there. Um. You know,

1524
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: this whole time, when people would ask him about it,

1525
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 1: I would just be like, he would say, there's a

1526
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,560
Speaker 1: good chance they to be dismissed because it's not true.

1527
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 1: And so that's all I would say. Anybody would ask,

1528
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: I said, I just hope it gets dismissed. And this

1529
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: is all in the past, and uh, you know that's

1530
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 1: sort of what happened. That's why I don't know. The

1531
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: timeline is so weird because apparently I haven't really done

1532
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 1: all the reasons. I just know that like to fall

1533
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 1: out from it. But apparently he played guilty. But then

1534
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: once once it went there then the judge says, um,

1535
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 1: I saw through the bullshit and there was nothing to

1536
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 1: charge him with. So it's just like, I don't know

1537
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: how that works. I don't know how you can be

1538
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 1: guilty and there's nothing to be charged with. So it's

1539
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: just I mean it. It does it hurt. I mean,

1540
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 1: it's I mean it hurts me. It does me too,

1541
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: me too. You know, you wish it was cut and dry,

1542
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: you wish it was. I'm innocent and that's it, and

1543
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 1: it's always gonna be that way, and I'll fight it

1544
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: and I'll fight it to the end, or if it's

1545
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: I am messed up and I'm guilty, Yeah, and I

1546
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: put ow it up to it and we'll move on.

1547
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: As as many people have done in all forms of life.

1548
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: You know, you do that, and every I do that,

1549
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: every damn day. Almost it seems um oh sorry, honey,

1550
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: I just should have said that or shouldn't that or whatever?

1551
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 1: At work? You do it. You just do it. So

1552
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 1: you wish it was black and white, but this just

1553
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it's black and white. You know, it

1554
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 1: seems it seems gray. It's it does, and it's just

1555
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 1: like I can't as you mentioned, it's really easy to

1556
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: judge other people. You know, we've all had failings. Uh,

1557
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: but you know there's people out there on social media

1558
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: who love this. They love this. This really motivates them.

1559
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: Gets some energized to see somebody, whether they screwed up

1560
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: or not, to to be in the news negatively, and

1561
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 1: it validates what they have been saying if they've been

1562
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: talking shit. And it's, uh, that makes me sick as well.

1563
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm all about accountability. If I funk up, yeah,

1564
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: that's what I said. Not everybody, anybody that somebody gets

1565
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: convicted of poaching. Again, removing Adam for a second. If

1566
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 1: if you or I get convicted of poaching, people hate

1567
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: us for that, Yeah, then they're not haters. But if

1568
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: somebody is is pre judging, yeah, that's you're yes, you

1569
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: are sorry and this and now is this those people

1570
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 1: who were pre judging and haters, now this gives them credibility.

1571
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: I see, I knew this guy was a piece of right.

1572
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 1: And it's just like that that hurts because that sets

1573
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 1: us all back. Yeah, it's it's it's hard to know

1574
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: the right path as a community, Like what do you

1575
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: do in this situation where somebody that we've all celebrated

1576
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: and somebody that we think highly of you and I

1577
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 1: both on a personal and professional level. Uh. It's it's

1578
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: hard to know what you do with that you like,

1579
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 1: especially when it's a confusing situation. So we'll do what

1580
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: we can do with it and go forward, like you say, Uh,

1581
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: but to continue to openly discuss it because I think

1582
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: that's what we owed our our community and are people

1583
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: that that care what we have to say? Yeah, I

1584
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 1: mean it's just like I saw somebody put up yesterday

1585
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 1: and like they tagged me and Joel or whatever, and

1586
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: it's like your silence speaks volumes about Adam. It's like,

1587
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: shut the funk up? Can we just I get it.

1588
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: I get they want people to weigh in, and they

1589
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: really want me or whoever to condemn who's been somebody

1590
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: who's been like a brother. Yeah, and so I'm not

1591
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 1: excited about that. I'm not. I'm not. That doesn't feel

1592
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: good to me. That doesn't So yeah, if I'm going

1593
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: and dragging my feet a little bit because I don't

1594
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: want to do it, I don't want to. I want

1595
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: to celebrate people. I want people to succeed. I want

1596
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 1: people to win and I don't this. This hurts me,

1597
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 1: This hurts me for him, and it just hurts because this,

1598
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: this is what I love. So I'm not gonna go

1599
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 1: and make jump on and make some big post about slamming. Well.

1600
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 1: And if I think people just like to watch a squirm,

1601
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 1: I think so, Yeah, they like, what would they do? Yeah?

1602
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: What would they do? That's what I said to some

1603
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 1: the other day. I said this this friend of mine,

1604
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 1: that this is a cool person. Yeah, like if you

1605
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 1: were in the room with him, he be like, I

1606
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: love that dude, and he's going through a tough thing. Yeah. Like,

1607
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna just judge, judge, judge. I don't

1608
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 1: enjoy that. Now that's something I want to do, you know. Um.

1609
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: And so for somebody to judge me for not jumping

1610
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: in the fray, yeah before it's even settled, get out

1611
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 1: of here. Likely just leave the conversation. You're not doing anything.

1612
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: They like to say that it's my responsibility as whatever.

1613
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like the whole with with the beau Mars,

1614
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: everybody was just like me and shock ease and whatever,

1615
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 1: when are you gonna address whatever? And you know, finally

1616
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: I did. I. I you know, I said what I

1617
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: thought about the situation with under Armo and the bau Mars.

1618
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. It sucked. I don't like this.

1619
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I'm in the industry and whatever that means,

1620
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 1: but it's hard. I don't like casting negativity on on anyone.

1621
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 1: I mean, all we could say is we do you know?

1622
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: For me, I hope, you know, we continue to find

1623
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 1: out more truth, it gained more perspective and find ways

1624
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: to examine what happened and it looks forward because I

1625
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: think Adam remains an important figure for all of us,

1626
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 1: for me, for you. Um So I hope he sticks around,

1627
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 1: and I hope he can find a way to get

1628
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: above this and explain it better and get us all

1629
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 1: in a point where we can move forward. I don't

1630
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 1: think we're I don't think we're there right now. I

1631
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: don't think we're there, not yet. No, this this is

1632
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 1: could be a little uh, it's gonna be rough waters

1633
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: for a little while. I think, yeah, yeah, well, I

1634
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 1: appreciate you being willing to talk about it. I've you know,

1635
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 1: we both struggled with it. I would struggle with us

1636
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 1: since the day I heard about it. Um and I

1637
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 1: actually recorded some things that I deleted them, and I

1638
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: just don't know what to do. You just don't know

1639
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 1: what to do now, I've been saying to my stomach.

1640
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: When I first heard it was dismissed or whatever it was,

1641
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: I was really I said, I said, I'm relieved. I mean,

1642
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: this was I think I told you, And it was

1643
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: texting like, oh my god, thank god. I'm like, I'm

1644
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm relieved there was nothing to this and because it

1645
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 1: did and made me sick. Um, and then we find

1646
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: out it's not so cut and dry. So I don't

1647
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 1: know where we're at with this. Yeah, me either, which

1648
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: we did. Whish we could say that we both know something.

1649
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 1: You don't know I don't. I think if you've been

1650
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: following the case, we know what you know you know

1651
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: and I could. I probably know less. And I haven't

1652
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: read everything. I haven't read everything on it just because,

1653
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 1: like I said, I don't want to. I don't. It's hard.

1654
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 1: It's just like I don't want to read more more

1655
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: of this right now. Yeah. Well, like I said, it's

1656
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: it's we can stumble through trying to explain it, but

1657
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: it's just this is what this is what we can

1658
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: say for now. And uh, we'll continue to follow it

1659
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 1: because me personally, I care about our community. I want

1660
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 1: there to be positive messaging at all times. Like you said,

1661
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to battle this out that

1662
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: the mud like I don't want to, but we will

1663
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 1: because we have to. We want to know the truth.

1664
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: We want you know, people in our midst that are

1665
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, truthful, and you know we know Adam to

1666
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: be that guy, which is why this is even more

1667
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 1: frustrating that we don't really know. All science point to that.

1668
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 1: And I think part of it too, is because you know,

1669
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: this isn't the NBA or the NFL, where you know,

1670
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 1: people get arrested and do all sorts of crazy things.

1671
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 1: This is hunting. This is hunting where we're known to

1672
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,799
Speaker 1: be honorable and and so when something like this happens

1673
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: UH or allegedly happens that, you know, that flies in

1674
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: the face of honor. So that's why hunters I get

1675
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: why hunters are so up in arms about it and

1676
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: so dogmatic about it. I get it because honor and

1677
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 1: respects that's what it's all about. So, UM yeah, we're

1678
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: on a little more a short leash as far as

1679
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 1: being UH in the industry. Um, that represents that, So

1680
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 1: I get it. Doesn't mean it doesn't make it easy. No,

1681
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: it's not, dude, we're in your layer. We're in like

1682
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 1: the is it We've transported from the inside of the

1683
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: house into like your upper hunting layer room. At some

1684
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 1: point down here below us is going to be a

1685
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: trophy room. Oh, because I'm a trophy hunter. But right

1686
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: now this is just kind of where I want to

1687
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 1: pick up. We're filming this too, so I'm gonna pick

1688
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: up the cameras so everybody could see what's going down. Yeah,

1689
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: so we could see all the you're troph room on

1690
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 1: the floor. Yeah. Yeah, we got the wall space cleared

1691
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: out and it's all I'm taking up floor space. All right,

1692
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it quick, Like this is a segment

1693
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying out, trying at all these new segments where

1694
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 1: trying to make things interesting. So this is called what's

1695
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: in your Pack. It's generally where you just pulls it

1696
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 1: out of your pack and then you tell me what's

1697
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: what's really going on in there? So this is what

1698
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,640
Speaker 1: it looks like here, right, So this is what I

1699
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,560
Speaker 1: would take on a hunt if I'm traveling out of

1700
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 1: state and there's just random stuff in here, like if

1701
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: I if I just pull something out, Well, here's some

1702
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:47,440
Speaker 1: This used to be a full. Oh, now there's one

1703
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 1: because they're probably in the bottom of this bag. That's

1704
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: we all have that Alan rent set. Hot hands. Hot hands. Yeah,

1705
01:30:54,160 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 1: everyone needs those broadheads. There's muzzy cars. That's what's up.

1706
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: Let's see what else we got here, underpants underwhere. I'm

1707
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 1: assuming clean, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna judge.

1708
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to quiver extra quiver. It's

1709
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 1: like a half of a quiver. Yeah, I always worry

1710
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: about breaking, Like if you break your quiver on a hunt, Yeah,

1711
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,719
Speaker 1: that's you gotta have there. You can't just put arrows

1712
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,639
Speaker 1: in your pocket. So I got I always taking extra

1713
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 1: quiver parts. Um oh oh what's this mine bullet? Are

1714
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 1: these vitamins pre workout? Yeah, some kind of a little

1715
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,759
Speaker 1: here's the other part of the quiver, okay, half the quiver?

1716
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: Oh a bear knife. So when I go bear hunting,

1717
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 1: this is what this would be sticking in the tree

1718
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:55,839
Speaker 1: that got some fat on it, like a little tallow.

1719
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 1: This Usually my knives are usually like this until I

1720
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 1: go hunting again. So yeah, see everybody. You're normal too.

1721
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 1: I guarantee you still have guts when your knife from

1722
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 1: the last hunt. Yeah, let's see here, Cam does the

1723
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 1: same thing. See what else we got? Um chapstick? Yep, yep?

1724
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 1: Is that lip zips? What kind of chapstick is that?

1725
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: We get a shout out? The shout out to see

1726
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 1: if we can't get a sponsor, says under arm, under

1727
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 1: arm chapstick. Yeah, you've gone too far, under armur gone

1728
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 1: too far. Of course everybody knows that these are wet wipes.

1729
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: The Biday of the Woods, I call it, Yeah, the

1730
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 1: Bidday of the woods. That's important, that's important. We got

1731
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: These are from John Dudley. These are from Lena I

1732
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: John Dudley dpads. Yeah. And I was crawling around so much,

1733
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 1: and he had killed like twenty deer already, so I said, hey,

1734
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 1: car Borrow's nee pads crawled around, killed a couple of bucks.

1735
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: And the thing about one I you'll find is that

1736
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,759
Speaker 1: every damn thing you have from a lot as red

1737
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 1: from red dirt, right, not like you remember that always

1738
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: it's nothing you can do. I gotta arrange finding yep, Yeah,

1739
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: I gotta know how far things are. And in here

1740
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 1: we've got some Swarovski's. They've been through a little bit. Yeah,

1741
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 1: they've seen this are some nice buyos um is the

1742
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: camel back, Oh drinking apparatus? I like it. What else

1743
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: we got? Oh, we got a quivalizer part right here?

1744
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: I guess we've got another spare quiver. You never know.

1745
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 1: Is this something you can just zip this bag up

1746
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 1: and be gone if you two quivers and you're really screwed. Um,

1747
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,600
Speaker 1: I feel like something really good is going to come

1748
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,759
Speaker 1: out of eventually. I feel like we got some good stuff.

1749
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 1: Let's see what this is exactly how I pictured it.

1750
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: It really is working well. Oh, Hostully, I didn't know

1751
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 1: I had this sponsor alert spot hog keep hammering, keep

1752
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: keep paying with trigger release, probably end up giving that

1753
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 1: away to somebody. And and oh, this is what we're

1754
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 1: gonna end with this. We're gonna hemp with this. What

1755
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 1: is this? This is a whole One of my friends

1756
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 1: in the Marines gave me this keep hammering k bar.

1757
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: We gonna get a little zoomy that right there with

1758
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 1: my name on the side, and that's for that's from

1759
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,720
Speaker 1: street fights or bear attacks whatever. This is gonna be

1760
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 1: my bear hunting knife. I'm gonna look at that. So

1761
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,640
Speaker 1: you got the explain how you do this on the podcast.

1762
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 1: But this the left arm in the bear's mouth, this

1763
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 1: under the pit into the heart to do it on you? No, no, no,

1764
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. Bear attack. Yeah. So we've all

1765
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 1: seen anchor man bear fight. You know what's up coming?

1766
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 1: D Yeah. I think that's a good one to end

1767
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,599
Speaker 1: somebody hopefully. Yeah. That thanks James. He gave me this night.

1768
01:34:57,640 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: That's the first time we've done What's in Your Pack?

1769
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: And that ship was fantastic. Well done. Okay to end

1770
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: this out, like we gotta finish this up. We've talked

1771
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 1: about some serious stuff. But now your wife was showing

1772
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 1: me that you guys watch a television program called The Bachelor.

1773
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: Is that true? Okay, hear what you're saying. It's okay?

1774
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 1: Is this working? Yeah? Yeah it is. This is real.

1775
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 1: You have to come clean. Bachelor. It's a show that

1776
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: I saw that your wife was watching. She admitted to me, Now,

1777
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 1: would you watch it every Monday? And then that's just

1778
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:40,160
Speaker 1: every Monday season finale, which has been like the last

1779
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 1: three nights. Who you who you're rooting for? I always

1780
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: tell her I'm going to put an application in because

1781
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 1: I always feel like those guys are kind of like

1782
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: big pussies, and I'm like, they should have a hunter

1783
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 1: on there. Yeah, they should. I am married, So I

1784
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 1: don't know if that's gonna screw up the concept of

1785
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 1: the show. It might throw a wrench in there, but

1786
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:00,679
Speaker 1: it's TV. They'll fig your something. You a nice twist.

1787
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:02,679
Speaker 1: Your wife would come in halfway through what the fund

1788
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 1: camps like, honey, we're making a show. Yeah, what are

1789
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 1: you doing? I'm gonna be famous? Yeah, so you don't

1790
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: have any like uh the Bachelor's where a dude has

1791
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: lots of ladies. You don't have any like a lady

1792
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:20,600
Speaker 1: you're rooting for, and this this go around, Um, I

1793
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I kind of like this one because the

1794
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 1: Bachelor at the end he had to switch around on

1795
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 1: him because normally he picks the ladies. They're all crying

1796
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,800
Speaker 1: because the ones don't get picked. Well the one he

1797
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 1: wanted to pick. Uh, so he that how it showed

1798
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 1: in she he's supposed to ask one of them to

1799
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 1: marry him, like they get married right right, they're like

1800
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 1: a fantasy serious stuff. Well, he was gonna ask her

1801
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 1: to marry him. And she I was gonna say she

1802
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: wanted to go home. She wasn't sold on him anymore

1803
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: by and so then he was like, tables are turned.

1804
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 1: And so then he was like pulling out all the

1805
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 1: stops trying to he was shaking. He was so upset,

1806
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:02,360
Speaker 1: and he's like, are you shaking? So I feel like

1807
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: he's sort of lost his man card there on that one.

1808
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 1: If a dude so upset he's shaking on a show

1809
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 1: where he could pick from Bassal Bassal of beauties. As

1810
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 1: I say, yeah, I don't know, it's uh, it sounds

1811
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: like it sounds like a very stressful show. But anyway,

1812
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 1: that wasn't the season Fallely that he was shaking on.

1813
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 1: That's what's on right now. T we go. We gotta

1814
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 1: get our foot jamas. Yeah, makes hot cocoa. Yeah yeah,

1815
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 1: so that's the next stop. All right, bro, Well, thanks

1816
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 1: for having me and I can't wait for our slumber party.

1817
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 1: Try to get you give you gout some social media

1818
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,640
Speaker 1: updates on how it goes down. Yeah, there you go.

1819
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 1: All right, thanks man, that's it. That's all new format,

1820
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 1: new episode in the books. Hopefully you guys all enjoyed

1821
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 1: this new episode. In this new format, new music that

1822
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: was Old Number seven by the Devil Mix three that

1823
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 1: kicked off the podcast. Um So, thanks to Cameron Haynes

1824
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 1: for for being a part of it. Thanks to Ryan

1825
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 1: Callahan for helping us kick it all off and giving

1826
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: us a little insight to his love life. We're gonna

1827
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,719
Speaker 1: keep this format going forward. We're gonna have a bunch

1828
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 1: of new guests. I'm looking at the list right here

1829
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 1: and it is impressive. It's inside and outside of the

1830
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 1: hunting industry. A lot of them it seems like it

1831
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,600
Speaker 1: wasn't intentional, but a lot of them have doctor in

1832
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 1: front of their names. Um So we're gonna be talking

1833
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 1: about uh, human animal interaction, We're talking about um veganism,

1834
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about ethics around a bunch

1835
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: of things. We have just a huge, huge list of

1836
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 1: guests and an impressive work that has been done here

1837
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 1: by internal team to help us line these out and

1838
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 1: get them all going for our new format of the

1839
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 1: Hunting Collective. So I hope you keep listening. We're gonna

1840
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 1: still be around every Tuesday, little new format and some

1841
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 1: new music, and we're gonna let you and go out

1842
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 1: with Old Number seven. Jack Daniels, Oh number seven, Tennessee,

1843
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 1: who whiskey got me drinking in heaven and uh and

1844
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 1: just stopped to look good to me. They're gonna have

1845
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 1: to department to the fire. Redeed to the fire, redeed

1846
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 1: drinking in the fire. Dy Finry d drinking in heaven.