1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ. Buck back with you, Buck, 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: What is going on? Man? 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: Not too much? DJ. Football weekend is upon us, and 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: it's always great when college kicks off because to me, 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: that's really the start of football season. And to have 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: that full weekend without the distraction, I would say a 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: pro ball it should be a lot of fun and 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: there's some big games and some good games, and when 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: you're working over Labor Day, weekend doesn't get much better 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: in that. 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've got football Thursday through Monday, so it 14 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: doesn't get much better than that. If you love college football, 15 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: this is one of the best weekends of the year. 16 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: We'll get to some of those matchups we're looking forward 17 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: to on the college side of things, but we are 18 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: going to start out on the NFL side of things. 19 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: Let's start first of all, Buck, we kicked this around 20 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: in our previous episode, but Ingland Patriots decided to be careful. 21 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: They are not going to rush Drake May out there 22 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: with a suspect supporting cast. You know, we I think 23 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: we had both kind of evolved in our opinions on 24 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: that where I thought, man, you can Dan risk maybe 25 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: losing the locker room a little bit just because he'd 26 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: been so much better than Jacoby Brissett. But it sounds 27 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: like long term thinking. One out here to preserve Drake 28 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: May and avoid taking a beating behind that group he's 29 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: in front of it, that's in front of him. 30 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand it, but I can't say that I 31 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: like it. I think every situation in circumstance is different, 32 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: and I do understand long term planning, long term thinking 33 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: with your franchise quarterback, And given Elliott Wolfe's history with 34 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers and how they traditionally have redshirted 35 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: young quarterbacks before giving them an opportunity, I understand that 36 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 2: being kind of like drilled into your head like this is. 37 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: The way that you go with a quarterback. 38 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: But there's a part of me that just looked at 39 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: how they performed in the preseason and it's just so 40 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: hard to say that, hey, man, we're going with Jacoby Brisset. 41 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: Everyone in the locker room get excited. 42 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: And I've liked Jacoby Brissett about his career, but man, 43 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: he wasn't good in this preseason. 44 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: He just wasn't good. 45 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: And so yeah, I mean, I understand you you want 46 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: to use him as the pinata, but sometimes man like 47 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: you learn from the failures. And maybe I'm just coming 48 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: fresh off of listen to a Rick Patino podcast where 49 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: he talked about, you know, your failure is fertilizer, is 50 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: what he said, And so he talked about how the 51 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: failure can like help you grow and do some things 52 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: that maybe we should put Drake may out there, particularly 53 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: because if we don't think the team is going to 54 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: be good, he'll have an opportunity to grow with the 55 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: team and grow with some of the young players that 56 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: he's going to play beside on the perimeter. 57 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: Well, I also think that, you know, you can't you 58 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: can't have two things be true. You can't be saying, 59 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: as they've said out in New England that people are 60 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: underestimating the talent here. You know, as they were talking 61 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: about how bad this group is, and you know, I 62 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: don't remember if it was elliottor who, you know, if 63 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: it was coach Mayol or whatever, there had been a 64 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: pretty sturdy defense of the pieces that they had in 65 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: placed there. But then make a decision not to play 66 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: the best quarterback because you want to protect them because 67 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 1: the talent's not any good, So you can't have both 68 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: those things be true. And I think we all know. 69 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: I think we all know if you look at it, 70 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: look at this rosters, there's a lot of holes and 71 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: a lot of work to be done. So I get 72 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: the logic behind it, protect him, and maybe that's maybe 73 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: that's four weeks, eight weeks. I don't think they're going 74 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: to have the stomach for it to sit him the 75 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: whole year, I think eventually, especially and I know it's 76 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: a quote unquote new regime, but Drod Mayo's spent his 77 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: NFL life in that organization where they have won a lot, 78 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: and he's not going to want to park his car 79 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: in that same parking lot, walk into that same building 80 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: where he's done nothing but win for the majority of 81 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: his adult life, and get his teeth kicked in before 82 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: wanting to try something new, especially knowing that the guy 83 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: that's sitting is way more talented than the guy that start. 84 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, it's not a one sized fists all 85 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: thing when it comes to the quarterbacks and young quarterbacks. 86 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: And I do understand, obviously because I'm close to the 87 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: Drake may situation having watched him at my alma mater, 88 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: that he enters the league with not a lot of experience, 89 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: and how it could be a recipe for disaster if 90 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: he gets too much too soon. But then I also 91 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: think about being in the locker room and the choices 92 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: and everyone goes to practice, and you look at the 93 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: two guys and you see the young guy with the 94 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: big arm and the talent and the potential impossibilities of 95 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: what could happen if he's a quarterback versus you know 96 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 2: what you're getting in Jacob is set, and the leadership 97 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: is there. The leader guy, the managerial guy works when 98 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: the team is a little better. When the team isn't 99 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: as good, then you need the quarterback to be more 100 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: of a playmaker that can kind of help you out. 101 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: And maybe it's a one game thing, maybe it's a 102 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 2: four game thing, but I do believe at some point 103 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 2: Greg may is gonna have to get the ball for 104 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: this team to be able to win and be competitive 105 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: in games. 106 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the driver or the car, right, You know 107 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: what I mean. You're kind of looking at it going, oh, 108 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 1: this car is so nice, Hey, nice and easy. 109 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: Here, keep it nice and easy. 110 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: There's lots of horsepower in this thing, and there's the 111 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: other ones that you got to drive your butt off, man, 112 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: because we ain't got the same machine that they got 113 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: on the other side over there, and. 114 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: They don't have the same machine. 115 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: And in DJ like there's a part of me that 116 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: was thinking, like, Okay, there's something that's going to happen. 117 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 3: They help them upgrade. 118 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 2: They're not going to go into the year with the 119 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 2: cast of playmakers that they have on the outside. 120 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm more concerned about the offensive line even more so 121 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: than that. 122 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: I mean all, I mean, all of it is doesn't 123 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: look great on paper, right The offensive line really struggle. 124 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: You have people out of position in those things. 125 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: And perhaps and I know they finished bad last year, 126 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: but maybe the twenty years of brainwashing that the Patriots 127 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: are always going to be okay, they're always going to 128 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 2: be In the conversation, you look at the roster and like, 129 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: you know, the sum doesn't necessarily match the individual parts, 130 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: and you're just trying to figure out how they're going 131 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: to do it. But maybe it's an announcement that hey man, 132 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: right now, they don't look like they'll be a. 133 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: Very good team. 134 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 2: And so what you're doing is you don't want to 135 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: sacrifice the kid knowing that you're gonna put them behind 136 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: a team it doesn't have an opportunity to really win. 137 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 3: No question. 138 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: Well that's that's what's going on in New England. It 139 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: is going to be Jacoby Brissett there. I want to 140 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: get into the makeup of these fifty three man rosters. 141 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: But one other topic I want to hit you on 142 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: before we get to that. I think we've got a 143 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: chance to see a sequel this year. We saw A 144 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: and I guess it would be the opposite of the 145 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: first movie. But you remember when we had the Pinnae 146 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: Seul Jamar Chase discussion with Cincinnati, we did I do 147 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: remember now, and then we know they take Jamar Chase 148 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: the receiver. It works out great obviously. Now we've seen 149 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,119 Speaker 1: Detroit as one of the best young teams. I'm picking 150 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: to win the NFC andn A Sewele's an elite player, 151 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: has been paid like it, and it's worked out for both. 152 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: It's worked out for both. But there was a heated 153 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 1: debate on whether the Bengals should have taken an offensive 154 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: tackle or wide out. They took the white out. On 155 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: the other side of it, this last year the Chargers, 156 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: they move on from their wide receiver corp. Keenan Allen 157 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: is now at Chicago Bear. Mike Williams is now a 158 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: New York Jet. They were sitting there at the top, 159 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: in the top ten with a choice to be made 160 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: there between the wide receiver or do they take the tackle. 161 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: They took the tackle, So they did the opposite of 162 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: what Cincinnati did, and they take Joe Alt who's been 163 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: excellent moving from left to right tackle, and a chance 164 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: to give them really, really, you know, a really good 165 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 1: young offensive line with Rashaun Slater on the other side. 166 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: But you got to see what happens with receiving corps. 167 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: You know who's going to be able to emerge at 168 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: Josh Palmers at Aladdin McConkie is a rookie coming in there, 169 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: it's Quintin Johnson. Does a light come on for him? 170 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: But that was really the same decision for two different organizations. 171 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: They made the opposite decision. But I think of the 172 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: way I get to this is I think of a 173 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: team like the Patriots, who and we're fast forwarding way, 174 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, beyond the season now getting to the next draft. 175 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: They're going to be in that situation as we look 176 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: off into the distance of do we try and get 177 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: a playmaker, we try and get some protection, and how 178 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: you build around a quarterback. It's a fascinating discussion. But 179 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: I just think this league has a lot of cat 180 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: that's a lot of cyclical and there's going to be 181 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: a lot of teams paying attention to that. What's going 182 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: on with the Chargers? 183 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, djight. This debate is one that is really interesting, 184 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: right because we've talked about the wide receiver I would 185 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: say renaissance or resurgence, where these guys are getting paid 186 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: and they have become outside of the quarterback, they've become 187 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: like the second most essential piece to the offensive puzzle. 188 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: But then there's another part of us that come from 189 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: the college game and evaluating that we were like, man, 190 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: the pipeline is full of why oh yeah, that is 191 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: not the one position that you have to say like, hey, 192 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 2: we can't you know, we can't find a replacement or whatever. 193 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: And so I am I'm struggling with the amount of 194 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: thirty million dollar wide receivers that we're seeing and how 195 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: these guys are holding out two years before you really 196 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: have to pay them. And I'm trying to figure out 197 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 2: like a when are we going to get back to Hey, 198 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: the better the quarterback, the better the offensive line, the 199 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: easier pieces are to find the guys on the on 200 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 2: the perimeter, like, when are we going to get to 201 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: building the team that way? Because that will give you 202 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 2: an opportunity maybe to have more sustained success than Hey, 203 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: I got the sexy weapons on the outside, We're gonna 204 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: throw it all over the yard, but we can't run 205 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: the ball and we can't. 206 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: Protect the biggest asset, which is a quarterback. 207 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everybody's paying attention, you know. And I 208 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: think it also helps with some of these white outs, 209 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: and we could say, okay, the depth, there's so many 210 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: of them, you can wait on drafting them. But there's 211 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: also saying, man, if I can get an elite one 212 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: in the draft, if Malik neighbors Marvin Harrison Junior Romea Dunes, 213 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: that end up being elite, Man, I've got a bargain 214 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: you talk about saving, you know, versus the thirty five 215 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: million dollar tag at the top of the Martin market. 216 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: I got these guys for five years making nothing, making 217 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: nothing even as first round picks. 218 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: Right, And so it goes back to the thing. 219 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: So it's not the devaluation of the position, but actually 220 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: it's the economic savings of Man, let's just go draft 221 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: these guys high. 222 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 3: Like, let's let's draft them high. 223 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 2: Because even we're talking what twenty five thirty million over 224 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: a five year term, over a four year term that 225 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: we're talking about for a Marvin Harrison Junior compared to 226 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: thirty four million dollars a year for CD Lamb. And 227 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 2: I like CD Lamb, But thirty four million dollars a 228 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: year DJ, what kind of production do we have to 229 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 2: get to justify that number on paper? Like he has 230 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 2: to put up one hundred and fifteen catches seventeen hundred 231 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: yards every year to really validate a thirty five million 232 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: dollar price tag. 233 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 3: And that's elite. 234 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if the compensation is ever going to 235 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 2: match up to the production that you want when you're 236 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: paying that much money. Before we were talking about quarterback money, 237 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: it goes I get that, But now when you're paying 238 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 2: that kind of money for a wide out, I mean 239 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: you're almost forced to feed the number one receiver to 240 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: justify the bottom line. Because how do I go to 241 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: the owner say, hey, yeah, I know we're paying him 242 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: we're paying him thirty five dollars and today he only 243 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: had four catches for thirty five yards. But it's real 244 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: worth the investment. That's a hard seal for me. 245 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: Well, the question is these guys finished these contracts out 246 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: and you look at some of the look at the 247 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: teams that have big time quarterbacks, Patrick Mahomes, obviously Tyreek Hill. 248 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: They moved on believing in the quarterback and they still 249 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: haven't slowed down, havn't skipped a beat. You look at 250 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Stefan Diggs out gone, justin Herbert, those two 251 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: receivers who just talked about gone. That's a belief in 252 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: the quarterback. And that's kind of what we're talking about. 253 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: Ne Bille of course put it in the chat of packers, 254 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: note about how the uh their six receivers only make 255 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: eight million dollars total. Davante Adams, right, they let him go. 256 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: So a lot of uh you know, a lot of 257 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: teams have have invested in these guys. We've seen that 258 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: these contracts are rolling in Ceedee Lambs the latest. We'll 259 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: see what happened with Jamar Chase. Are you still waiting 260 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: out that whole situation? But a lot of these other 261 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: teams have said, Okay, thank you for your service. Ris, 262 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: We've got a nice price controlled contribution from you, but 263 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: now a little rich. So we got big time quarterbacks, 264 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: We'll go get the next one. 265 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: Okay, So let's have this conversation in if we're willing 266 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: to pay and maybe overpay for the wide receiver, is 267 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: that an indictment on the quarterback that we have. Are 268 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: we overpaying for the wide receivers because we don't believe 269 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: that our quarterback can elevate the players on the perimeter. 270 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: Maybe that's the discussion that we have to have. When 271 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: you're team building, you have to be able to look 272 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: at who is more responsible for the success in the 273 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 2: passing game. Is it the quarterback or is it the playmakers? 274 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: And then it goes back to our original discussions from 275 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: a decade ago. Truck or trailer. Yeah, if I have 276 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: a truck, do I need the other stuff? If I 277 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: have a trailer, I absolutely need it. So then when 278 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 2: we look at the teams, and I'm not trying to 279 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: get the people mad at me because I don't want 280 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles fans or my Me Dolphins fans to 281 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: come at me, but let's talk about the Philadelphia Eagles 282 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: and Jalen Hurt. 283 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: Both of them, you played both receivers. 284 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: You pay Aj Brown and DeVante Smith. Yes, you paid 285 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts. But did you feel like you needed to 286 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: pay the wide receivers because you don't believe that Jalen 287 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: Hurts can elevate Anonymous Jo Doe John Doe wide receiver 288 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 2: or do you feel like he needs those pass catchers 289 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: on the perimeter for him to be at a level 290 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 2: that he can play at almost an MVP level. And 291 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 2: I would go into the past. I will go into 292 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: the archives to give you the answer to that. I 293 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: think if you look at the two teams that dominated 294 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: the previous era, it would be Peyton Mannings Colts, it 295 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: would be Tom Brady's Patriots. And what that showed you 296 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: is there are two different schools of thought, both Hall 297 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: of Fame quarterbacks. Peyton wanted his guys. He wanted Marvin 298 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Pay him whatever you need to 299 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: pay him. 300 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: We can cut the costs on the offensive line, we 301 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: can cut the costs elsewhere. Give me these guys and 302 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: we're going to score zillion points. Continuity matters with me 303 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: and we're going to roll New England took the opposite approach, 304 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: that was a revolving door at wide receiver. We're going 305 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: to always have the best of our ability, a really 306 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: good defense, and we're going to rely on Tom to 307 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: make those other guys around him better. And maybe the 308 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: stats aren't going to match up with what Peyton does, 309 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: but we have a format that works with him where 310 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: we're not going to pay that position. So I think 311 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: you can look at the Eagles and they could say, hey, 312 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: we feel like we can duplicate you know, obviously different 313 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: style of quarterbacks, but what the what the Colts did 314 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: with Peyton? And then I think you look at a 315 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: team like the chiefs Andy Reid who said I want 316 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: to be the Patriots. So's there's two different ways of 317 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: doing it. I don't know that there's a wrong answer. 318 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 3: There's that's really a great observation. 319 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: And what it does is as a team builder, you 320 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 2: have to pick because I believe there are only two 321 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: ways that you can build it. You can build it 322 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: the way that we're talking about one the Peyton Manning 323 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: way or the Tom Brady way. If you're going to 324 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: build it the Peyton Manning way, where we're going to 325 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: load up and put the playmakers around them. Now, your 326 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: premium is on your evaluators to find two marquee pass 327 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: rushers and then the rest of the defense has to 328 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: be homegrown guys that you're plugging and playing from your 329 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: draft picks in those things. So that's the way to 330 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: do it there, whereas with the Patriots it was, yeah, 331 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: we're gonna invest in the defense. We're gonna make sure 332 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: that we have like blue chip players on defense. We're 333 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: gonna play good, complimentary football, and then a quarterback. 334 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 3: You got to find a way to make enough place 335 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: for us to win games. 336 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 2: But the defense is going to keep the score down 337 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: so that you only have to make a handful of 338 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: plays to be able to win it. 339 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 3: And with the exception of the year when they went. 340 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: And got Randy Moss to go with Wes Welker and 341 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: that crew, they were more of a complimentary football team 342 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: that won because all three phases work together. Where the 343 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 2: Colts were heavily driven by their offense because that's where 344 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: the money was and that's when you do it. So 345 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: it just depends on as a team builder, which style 346 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: do you want, And I think a lot of that 347 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: depends on which quarterback do I inherit or which corbett 348 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: do I select. That determines how we have to be 349 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: ald the rest of our team. 350 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: I also think, you know, Gronk was the Hall of 351 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: Fame player. They didn't they didn't move on from him. 352 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: They kept him. They weren't going to move off him. 353 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: But the rest of them, they had unbelievable runs. You know. 354 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: Insert you know all those slot receivers, the's a zillion 355 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: of them, and they all they all were successful. 356 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: Okay, it's funny because you talked about the Patriots and 357 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: Kansas City and how Andy Reid wanted to be the Patriots. 358 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey, Travis Kelsey is a constant. 359 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: Everybody else revolves around that Hall of Fame tied in 360 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: that is the number one option in the passing game, 361 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: and then they feel in the spots around him to 362 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: allow this offense to have success. 363 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's pretty interesting. And you think about Patrick 364 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: Mahomes has taken I know the numbers look big, but 365 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: if you look at the breakdown to those contracts, every 366 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: every agent, I'll tell you he's taken less. Tom Brady 367 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: notoriously took less. There's a lot of similarities from what 368 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: those high flying Chiefs were put those to the side 369 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: of what the Chiefs kind of evolved into. There's a 370 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: lot of similarities to the Patriots and how that defense 371 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: secondary smothering. Like nobody would connect those two, but that's 372 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: kind of who the Chiefs have morphed into. 373 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 3: Well. Also, you know, US is very very similar. 374 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: But three super Bowls and a five year span back 375 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 2: to back, looking for a third, maybe there is something too. 376 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: We're not necessarily trying to be there, but we can 377 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: take some of that blueprint and kind of make it 378 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: our own, find a way to be a dominant dynasty 379 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: in this new era. 380 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that anybody's really connected those two franchises, 381 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: but that's kind of where we are right now with 382 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break. We 383 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: come back and to look at some interesting nuggets from 384 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: the fifty three man rosters that are still really truthfully 385 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: being finalized. But some research that our buddy Jack came 386 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: up with which I thought was fascinating. We'll get into 387 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: that as well as a couple of college games looking 388 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: forward to this weekend right after this, all right, Buck, 389 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: some interesting little nugs. Here we have the fifty three 390 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: man rosters as they were initially set. Now there's been 391 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: some changes since then, but a couple interesting nuggets. How 392 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: about this one. The New York Football Jets have fourteen 393 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: former first round picks on their initial fifty three man roster. 394 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: Would be fifteen if Hassan Reddick would report fifteen, So 395 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: fourteen now Reddick shows up, that's fifteen six homegrown first 396 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: rounders picked by Joe Douglas. So that's Elijah Vera Tucker, 397 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: that's Sauce Gardner, that's Garrett Wilson's that's Johnson, the edge rusher. 398 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: That is from the twenty two class. You got will 399 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: McDonald and twenty three and old of Fashano in twenty four. 400 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: You've got two that were there before Joe was there, 401 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: with Quinn Williams and CJ. Mosley, although CJ. Moseley has 402 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: ties too from Baltimore. Two former forty nine er de 403 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: Lyman that were first round picks that Sala knows, with 404 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: kin Law coming over to join Solomon Thomas, and then 405 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: three you know, classify those as win now guys added 406 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: over the last two offseasons. That's Aaron Rodgers that's Tyron Smith, 407 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: that's Mike Williams, and then one, you know, take a 408 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: flyer on somebody in tac McKinley, who's been awesome for 409 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: them in the preseason. But man, you talk about going 410 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: back to that old Raider philosophy, that Al Davis philosophy 411 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: of collecting as many first round picks as you can, 412 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: that number seems ginormous. Have that many guys first round. 413 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: Picks, DJ, that's a I mean with twenty five percent 414 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 2: of your roster, like over twenty five percent of your roster, 415 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: third percent of roster or. 416 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 3: First round picks. 417 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: It has taken Al Davis's creed and going to the 418 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 2: nth degree having learned about that from being around Ron 419 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: Woolf as a player and hearing some of the philosophies 420 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 2: whatever it's out it like Al Davis always believed that 421 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: if someone is drafted in the first round and it's 422 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: a consensus that it was a first round talent, your 423 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: job as an evaluator is a team build. It is 424 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: to kick the ties to see if a new environment, 425 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: a new scheme, or a new voice can unlock the 426 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: talent that may have not realized this potential at a 427 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: previous spot. But the talent is there, and DJ, we've 428 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: been doing this lo enough to know it is rare 429 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: that someone is a flat out failure as a number 430 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 2: one pick because the talent was misevaluated. There may be 431 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 2: other things that prevent them from living up to that 432 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 2: first round potential, but it's rare that the talent is 433 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 2: mis evaluated by thirty two teams in the league and 434 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: you just flat out bust on that character, mentality, competitives, 435 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: any of those things can impact it. So when you're 436 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: the Jets and you just talk about collecting talent that 437 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: will enable you to compete at a championship level, the 438 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: talent is certainly there. Now you got to shepherd it 439 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: and get it together and make sure everyone is going 440 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: in the right direction. But when you have that many 441 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: first rounders, it's remarkable. It is the equivalent to college 442 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: teams having a bowload of five stars. If you look 443 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 2: at the way championship teams are built at the collegiate level, 444 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: follow the recruiting and it normally leads to which teams 445 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: are going to be in the playoff. We'll see how 446 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 2: this plays out for Joe Douglas and the Jets. Yes, 447 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: but you can't go wrong, Kevin Tellent. They gives you 448 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: a chance. Now you got to put it together. 449 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 3: You're right. 450 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: But here's the other side of it. The Rams coming 451 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: off a playoff season. Obviously the Jets weren't a playoff 452 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: team last year at the Rogers injury. Rams have a 453 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: league low three former first rounders, two of whom they 454 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: acquired this past offseason Tredevious White as a free agent, 455 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: Jared Verse, which was their first first round pick since 456 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, since Jared Goff. They only had two former 457 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: first rounders play in their playoff game last season, that 458 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: was Stafford and Aaron Donald, and they had three on 459 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: the roster, but Carson Wentz did not appear in the game. 460 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: So you have that's one philosophy. The other philosophy is 461 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: man you talk about teaching and developing, and there's a 462 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: reason why Sean McVeigh gets mentioned as, if not the 463 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: best coach, you know, top three coach in this league, 464 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: not only for play calling, buck but for what they 465 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: do as a staff with him at the head of 466 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: teaching and developing guys that don't come in with the 467 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: same pedigree. 468 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 3: Okay, so what we talked about our previos is star chasing. 469 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 2: We talked about the first round picks and making sure 470 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: you have all the blues based on talent and pedigree. 471 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: What you're doing with Sean McVay is, I would say 472 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: the definition of drafting developed or just putting a lot 473 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 2: in your developmental process and saying that I want the 474 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: best team, not the best collection of talent. And it's 475 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 2: such a great thing to pull up that because you're 476 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: talking about the polarization of the team building process, the 477 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 2: Jets and the Rams and a lot of what you're doing. 478 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: If you're the Rams as a general manager and a 479 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: coach and they're working in lockstep. You remember how we 480 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: always talked about the coaches go you gotta scout the 481 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: coaches like you got to scout the coaches. You have 482 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: to know what coaches you have in the fold. If 483 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 2: you're Sean McVay in less need, if you're going about 484 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: it this way, then the guys on your coaching staff 485 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 2: have to be some of the best teachers in the 486 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 2: business to be able to cultivate young talent, talented drafted 487 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: outside of the first round, and to get them to 488 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 2: the point where they can compete with some of the 489 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: heavyweights in the league. 490 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: That is about what you do in between the lines. 491 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,239 Speaker 2: That is about helping them become better players on the 492 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: grass and then trusting that one you're gonna throw them 493 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: in the game. But you also have the ability to 494 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: coach them through their mistakes as they become better players 495 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: down the lot. 496 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's two different philosophies, and I think 497 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: you know what you have as coaches and what their 498 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: strengths are, and some of them you got to arrive 499 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: as ready made packages, clear no assembly required, and the 500 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: other ones, hey, there's something we can work with here. 501 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: I was perusing the rest of these numbers and some 502 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: other interesting nuggets here, like the Houston Texans. Man, they've 503 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: got ten to ones and ten twos, so that's a 504 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: lot of high end guys in terms of first and 505 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: second rounds. With the Houston Texans, the Bengals, they have 506 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: twenty one former Day two picks. That's the most among 507 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: all teams. So the second third round, which we've always 508 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: said is kind of like the best value picks because 509 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: you were going to find a lot of starters in 510 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: those rounds. If you can accumulate a bunch of picks 511 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: in that range, it's the best value. They don't cost 512 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: much in terms of the money, and the hit rate's 513 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: still decently high. That is a sweet spot. I think 514 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: the Bengals they've done a really nice job of collecting 515 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: guys in that range. 516 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 3: So it's funny. 517 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, we were in the league scouting, 518 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: but there was a study that came out, and I 519 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 2: cannot remember who authored to study, but I do remember 520 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 2: talking about it internally when I was with the Carolina Panthers, 521 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 2: but also talking to Rick Smith from the Houston Texans 522 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 2: when he was a general manager about it. But there's 523 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 2: a study that found there wasn't a noticeable difference between 524 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 2: first rounders and second rounders when it came to the 525 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 2: talent wise, and they were saying that if you could 526 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 2: accumulate more picks in the second and third rounds, your 527 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: odds are about comparable to if you just invested in 528 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: the first round talent. So you're the Cincinnati Bengals, who's 529 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 2: really collecting a bunch of second and third rounders. What 530 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: you're doing is you're giving yourself more lottery chips, more 531 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 2: lottery tickets to find blue chip players because there's not 532 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 2: that big of a difference, and a lot of times 533 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: in the second and third round, there may be a 534 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 2: medical issue, there may be a slight thing that causes 535 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 2: you to ding a person out of the first round, 536 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: but then you can take them in the second round 537 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 2: because the money changes on draft Day. Just really interesting 538 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: observation when it comes to looking at how these teams 539 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: are electing to build their teams. There's no right way, 540 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 2: but I'll say there are a lot of intriguing ways 541 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: the teams are going about it. 542 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, last little nugget on the fifty three man rosters, 543 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers have the most undrafted players on their team seventeen, 544 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: which I would say that's one of the least talented 545 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: teams in the league. So maybe that shouldn't be a surprise. 546 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: But in their defense, the team right below them, there's 547 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: a few tied with sixteen, including the Detroit Lions. And 548 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 1: I think the Detroit Lions is a team that is 549 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: one of the best in the NFL. We'd say one 550 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: of the most talented teams in the NFL. I think 551 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: they have a nice balance of their blue chip players 552 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: as well as some hungry you know, undrafted free agents 553 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: are like Buck, I mean, you talk about chip on 554 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: your shoulder. You made it. You make it as an 555 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: undrafted player. There's an edge to you. There's a chip 556 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: on your shoulder. So I don't want to bury the 557 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: Panthers for having the most undrafted players because the team 558 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: that's right there behind is one of the best in 559 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: the league, that Detroit Lions. And some of that is, 560 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, some of that is about scouting as well 561 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: as identifying the right guys after the draft that come in. 562 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: Whether it's traits based, whether it's just high floor players, 563 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: two different ways to look at it. But it's just 564 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: an interesting, instable nugget. 565 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 3: There. 566 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 2: So two things about the Carolina Panthers that would stand 567 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 2: out to me. One, Dave Canally has spent a lot 568 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: of time working with Pete Carroll. You think about how 569 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks were built and became the powerhouse that it 570 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 2: became in the twenty tens. It was on the heels 571 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 2: of a lot of undrafted players making the old one 572 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: and developing and playing roles. Two. Dan Morgan was working 573 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 2: in Seattle and so there in lockstep when it comes 574 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 2: to given opportunities. You know, this haven't been in Baltimore. 575 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 2: We all talked about five hundred dollars, handshakes and an 576 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 2: opportunity to come and compete. 577 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 3: When you have that. 578 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: Kind of environment, everybody has to be on board with that. 579 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: General manager, coach, coaches, scouts, everybody has to be hey, man, 580 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: best players play, and it doesn't matter what pedigree they 581 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: come in with when they walk in the building, We're 582 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 2: going to evaluate them based on what they do between 583 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: the lines. It's a unique way of doing it, but 584 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: it's really a meritocracy if you create an environment where 585 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 2: you're just taking the best players and giving everybody an 586 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: opportunity to earn their way onto the roster. 587 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: So interesting nugget here if you look at the number 588 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: of players that made fifty threes, so in round one, 589 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: there's two hundred and sixty five, okay, and round two 590 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty, so a difference of thirty five. 591 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: That's not a massive difference there. Then you go from 592 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: the second round to the third round. There were two 593 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty in the second round, actually two hundred 594 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: and thirty five four in the third, so more third 595 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: rounders than second rounders. Which, again, let's put this in 596 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: context here. If you've got a chance to trade back 597 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: in the second round. 598 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 2: Do it. 599 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely, you can find the proparable four, you can find it. Yeah, 600 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: you might find a better player, but having more numbers, 601 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: that's a sweet spot of the draft. There's literally no 602 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: difference between the second and the third round based off 603 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: of this. So while there's a little drop off from 604 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: one to two, there's actually it goes the opposite way 605 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: from round two to three. Now here's where the drop is. 606 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: From the third round with two hundred and thirty four 607 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: players the fourth round one hundred and eighty two. So 608 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: that's a sizable difference. So there's a big difference between 609 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: round three and four. That would be the cutoff point. 610 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: Round five goes from one eighty two in the fourth 611 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: round to one seventy two, no difference, fourth fifth round, 612 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: no difference. But from round five to round six from 613 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: one seventy two to one forty pretty big gap. And 614 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: then finally from round six to seven from one forty 615 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: to eighty nine. So those are kind of the inflection points. 616 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: There's a big difference between a sixth and seventh round pick, 617 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: and there's a big difference between a third and fourth 618 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: round pick. 619 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting, okay, DJ, So based on 620 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: what you're telling me if I'm a team builder, just 621 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: off of that information, what I would do is I'm 622 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: mortgaged in the farm to get picks in the first, second, 623 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: and third round, and. 624 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: Then after that, I don't care. 625 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna then go and get all my other opportunities 626 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: in the free agent market, because based on the numbers, 627 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: my odds are finding a player in the what we 628 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: call the developmental stages. Because in the moroom do we 629 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: always say if you drafted in the fourth through seventh round, 630 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: your developmental prospect. I have just as good of an 631 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: opportunity to find an undrafted player that gives me a 632 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 2: return on my investment as I would in the fourth 633 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: through seventh rounds. So why not trade those fourth, fifth, sixth, 634 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: and seventh round picks to put myself in the second 635 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: and third round where I could get more players that 636 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: are more likely to make my team and make a contribution. 637 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: And then even though I lose those picks on Day three, 638 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: I'm gonna then mind the free agent market to make 639 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: up for the developmental guys that I may have lost 640 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 2: out on by giving up the draft capital. 641 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of different strategies you can take. 642 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think, to me, the biggest takeaway is 643 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: round two and three. I'd put in a bucket and say, man, 644 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: as many as I can collect in round two or three. 645 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: There's no difference. And if it means if it means 646 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: I get a two or I get two threes, I'll 647 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: take two threes. There's no difference. There's no difference in 648 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: the third and the second, I'll get give me the 649 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: give me the threes, then I'll take more threes. And 650 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: the other one is there's no difference between the fourth 651 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: and the fifth round. Again, you're trading back. So I'll 652 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: give you a four, I'll take you got two fives. 653 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: I'll take two fives and something else. My odds are 654 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: not much different from the fourth to the fifth round. 655 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: So it colors you're thinking a little bit in terms 656 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: of even trades and what you're thinking of accumulating there. 657 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: But I know one thing i'd be that third round. 658 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: To me, that might be the absolute sweet spot of 659 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: value that you can find. 660 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's go all the way back to when 661 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,719 Speaker 2: we were in the building in the business. You remember, 662 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: like we would always talk as a team. We got 663 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 2: to get it right. The first three rounds like the 664 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: bulk of our team needs to be comprised of the 665 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: first three picks. We gotta nail the first round because 666 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 2: we got to have starters twos and threes. They got 667 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: to be eventual starters. If our team is going to 668 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 2: be any good. We will say this, and we probably 669 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: shouldn't say it publicly. If you find something outside of 670 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: those two rounds, man, that's gravy. If you find a 671 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 2: start in the fourth round, fifth round, sixth round, or whatever, 672 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 2: that's gravy. But in those first three rounds, we. 673 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: Got to do it. Now. 674 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: On TV, sometimes we can get frustrated because everyone in 675 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 2: TV talks about playing the hits, right, so when we 676 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: talk about prospects on the thing, we end up talking 677 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: about the same prospects. It's the same guys off the 678 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 2: top one hundred list or whatever. But DJ, maybe if 679 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: we are in the building, maybe we should focus on 680 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 2: the top one hundred because that's where the players are 681 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: coming from more so than the other stuff. 682 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: Yep, the last point that I'll make and we'll move 683 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: on to college. If you've paid attention, you've noticed over 684 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: the last couple of years what's become a new trend 685 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: that is pick swaps. So in other words, I'm not 686 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: going to trade you a fourth round pick for a player. 687 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to trade you a third round pick, but 688 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: you're going to give me back a fifth round pick. 689 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: So in other words, I don't net out. I still 690 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: have a pick. I still have the same number of 691 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: draft choices I had before. You've moved up in the draft. 692 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: I've moved down the draft, but we still have the 693 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: same selections. The teams that are doing that are incredibly 694 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: smart in terms of the teams that are still maintaining 695 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: a pick, because if you look at this data and 696 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: check it out, you're like, you know what we want 697 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: this player. I'll tell you what we'll do. We'll give 698 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: you our three, you give us back your four. And 699 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: what they've looked at that and realized there's no difference. 700 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm getting the player for free. You can have my third. 701 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: I'll take your fourth. The odds of me hitting on 702 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,719 Speaker 1: somebody that's going to make my team are no different 703 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: in that standpoint. So or I should say from from 704 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: a two to a three is an interesting one because 705 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: that is actually you're more likely to hit on somebody 706 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: it's going to make your team in the third round, 707 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: of the second round based off these numbers. So that's 708 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: that's you see it all the time. How many times 709 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,719 Speaker 1: have you seen that in the last year of teams 710 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: with a pickswap? And that's why at six and a seven, 711 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: I'll take the player. I'll give you my six, you 712 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: give me back your seven. I just got the player 713 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: for free. I mean basically, that's what it is. 714 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it is what it is. Yeah, if it 715 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 2: makes you feel better, yeah, you can have this pick. 716 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 2: I'll throw the pick in, give me the player. We 717 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 2: can go about it. 718 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 3: You know. 719 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 2: It's man, Look, it's so fun to break this stuff 720 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: down when it comes to the fifty three man roster 721 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 2: and to think about how your favorite team has elected 722 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: to build their team. Do they build it, you know, 723 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 2: like keeping onto their own draft picks where everyone that's 724 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: the draft he makes the team. Are they willing to 725 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: play the best player and so it doesn't matter if 726 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 2: you have a fifth round pick, but if the undrafted 727 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 2: got out plays and you're willing to keep the undrafted 728 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 2: player on the roster and have a little egg on 729 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 2: your face. I guess when it comes to like maybe 730 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 2: not selecting the right guy on draft day, everybody goes 731 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: about it differently, and that's what makes the league beautiful 732 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 2: because you can build a championship team in a variety 733 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 2: of ways. 734 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: And we'll be back right after this. I want to 735 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: get over to the college stuff real quick as we 736 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: wrap up, because we've got the first big weekend, and 737 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: we'll have more on the college stuff as we get 738 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: deeper into the season and get a chance to talk 739 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: about a lot of these players individually, as we always 740 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: keep our eye towards the draft. But I'm going to 741 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: give you a few games here, Buck, and you just 742 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,479 Speaker 1: tell me which one is number one on your watch list. 743 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: This week, We've got Colorado, North Dakota State Thursday night, 744 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: that's this evening, Georgia, Clemson, Texas, Colorado State, Notre Dame 745 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: A and m Penn State, West Virginia. We have got 746 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: Miami Florida. 747 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 2: Uh. 748 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: Then we've got Sunday l s u USC, Monday, Florida State, 749 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: Boston College. If you only get to watch one, what 750 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: are you watching? 751 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 3: Come on, man? 752 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 2: You know if I only get to watch one, I'm 753 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 2: gonna watch Georgia. 754 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 755 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 2: If I get too, then I'm gonna watch Prime just 756 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 2: because I've heard so much about Prime and DJ we know, 757 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 2: like it's one of the things that scouts love is 758 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 2: as a scout, when you're an area scout and you 759 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 2: go and you just kind of know because I just 760 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 2: remember for years on the West Coast going through Fresno 761 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 2: and like going through there early in August and watching 762 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 2: them under Pat Hill and they're just. 763 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 3: Clack clacking and clack clacking. 764 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: And then the first week they'll play a Wisconsin or 765 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 2: they'll play Oregon and you're like. 766 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 4: I don't know, they don't know the way, Like why 767 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 4: did you schedule why? 768 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 2: And you're giving them a full six month lead up 769 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 2: to get ready for your team. Don't do it. So 770 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 2: the Colorado North Dakota State is intriguing because I'm like, one, 771 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 2: it's a no win game for you if you're Colorado, 772 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 2: because if you beat them, everyone says you're supposed to 773 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: beat them. But if you lose to them, everyone is 774 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 2: like what you're doing and you never get credit for 775 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 2: being a team that is always in the national championship 776 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 2: hunt on a lower level. 777 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 3: Don't schedule them, man, don't schedule them. 778 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: I know, and I know, I guess. It's been a 779 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 1: minute since North Dakota State has had one of those 780 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: big wins. Because South Dakota State has kind of taken 781 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: over supremacy there. Montana State has been really good, but 782 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: I still don't want to play him because of the 783 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: history of the tradition and the toughness that those guys have. 784 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: I will say my next game, I'm gonna put a 785 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: tie the USC LSU. I'm curious. LSU's much better on paper, 786 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: but I'm curious for the fact of what we had 787 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: talked about previously, which was I want to see Lincoln 788 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 1: Riley haveing access to Miller Moss's headset at the line 789 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. I want to see this is going to 790 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: be the first time that I've seen Lincoln Riley play 791 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: quarterback in a college football game, because I really think 792 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: he's going to get to play uorderback through that headset. 793 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: That's the fascinating thing for me. On the sc plus, 794 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: they have all those young receivers, but I mean LSU's low, 795 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: they have the two tackles, They've got Perkins, i mean, 796 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: they're stacked. They're a better team. They should win that game. 797 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: But I'm curious to see the offensive sc with that. 798 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, i want to see what it looks like, but 799 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 2: you know what I really want to see from SC. 800 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: I want to see if SC has the ability to 801 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 2: get gritty, right, because they're going into a league in 802 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 2: the Big Ten that's going to be a different league 803 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 2: than they played in the Pac twelve. Like the Pac 804 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 2: twel they want to throw it around the yard and 805 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 2: do that stuff, but the Big Ten is still like, look, 806 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 2: it's in the rustbelt. They want to run the football. 807 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 2: It's three yards in the cloud of dust. And this 808 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 2: is going to be even though it's the SEC taking 809 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 2: on LSU, but this is going to be like a 810 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 2: little tasty cake force. 811 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 3: In terms of is USC tough enough DJ I think if. 812 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 2: You ask anybody who's been around and higher football levels 813 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 2: about SC, they always will celebrate their talent. But the 814 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 2: thing that you always question of late are they tough enough? 815 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 2: Because my thing is I think they're talented enough, but 816 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 2: are they tough enough to deal with the teams that 817 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 2: they would have to face in the playoff. This would 818 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 2: be our first opportunity this year to see if Lincoln 819 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 2: Raley has built a tougher, more physical team that could 820 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 2: go outside of the West Coast and compete at. 821 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 3: A high level. 822 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious. See now, I let's use defense that 823 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 1: not played well last year. I don't see that repeating itself. 824 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: I am excited to see nes Meyer at quarterbacks. See 825 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 1: what he does. How about these two teams? Man underlying 826 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 1: storyline there number one, number two picks in the draft quarterbacks, 827 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: the last two Heisman Trophy winners gone, So what does 828 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: that look like with their new quarterbacks? So that would 829 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: probably be my second game and then third, if I'm 830 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: being honest. Having taken a visit to Gainesville this summer, 831 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: Florida has the toughest schedule I can ever remember seeing 832 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: in college football. I've never I don't think I've ever 833 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: seen anything like it, with the gauntlet that they have 834 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: to run, and I just think this kind of I 835 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, this is kind of a test 836 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: here right out the shoot against Miami if they if 837 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: they don't win this game, even in Miami is a 838 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: really good team. They're nineteenth in the nation. It only 839 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: gets harder from here, Like this feels like a must 840 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: win game for billiy Napier right out to shoot. 841 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's funny that you took the Florida angle. 842 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 2: I'm taking the Miami angle right so I'm taking the 843 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 2: Miami angle just from Mario. Cristobaul left what was a 844 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 2: really good program in Oregon to go back home and 845 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 2: rebuild his alma mater. 846 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 3: And through two suits, through two seasons. 847 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 2: It's been okay, but it hasn't been what we thought, 848 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 2: what they thought it was going to be the US 849 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 2: back or whatever. I want to see is that you 850 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 2: ever coming back? Are they ever coming back? Are they 851 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 2: going to be the team that we talked about, like 852 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 2: not in our childhood, but in our teams and I'm 853 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 2: in twenties where they were the dominant program. They were 854 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 2: the program that everyone looked to. Either you loved them 855 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 2: or hated them, but you always watched them. Are they 856 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 2: ever gonna get back to that? Because the team that 857 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 2: Mario had at Oregon was a physical team that was 858 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 2: built to play with the big boys. I want to 859 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 2: see if he can do that in Miami year three. 860 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 2: You should be able to have the foundation and destruction 861 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 2: in place to be able to get this done. So 862 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 2: to me, it's not only a must win from Miami, 863 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 2: but it's a must show improve performance to me, like, hey, man, 864 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 2: if you're just significantly better than Florida, the result should 865 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 2: show up on the school. 866 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that's gonna be a fun one to 867 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: watch the uh. I guess we should touch on it 868 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 1: briefly here with Clemson and Georgia as a marquee matchup. 869 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: I want to see Beck what he looks like. I 870 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,800 Speaker 1: thought he was the best quarterback I stayed over the summer. 871 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see he gets more opportunities this year 872 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: with the schedule being a little bit more arduous, with 873 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: the changes in the SEC. He's got some tough opponents 874 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: on there. I think we get a chance to shoulder 875 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: more at the load. We'll see much how much he 876 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: has to shoulder here. I'm curious on the Dabbo side 877 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: of things because they've got dudes. But much like you remember, 878 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 1: do you remember like the gene short era for dudes, 879 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,240 Speaker 1: like you know, I think probably our heyday, probably nineties, 880 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: Like we all could wear gene shorts like not like 881 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: short shorts like the long like I don't want to say, 882 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: like bugle player or something. Yes, yeah, but they were 883 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: the Gene shorts, like you could wear them very comfortable, 884 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,919 Speaker 1: very comfortable. I would throw those on, maybe a little 885 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: Tommy Mohammad shirt or something back in the day, maybe 886 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: a Tommy hillfigure I don't remember, but there Eventually you 887 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: look around like, Okay, nobody's wearing these anymore. Like the 888 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: portal has changed college football. Yeah, there's no more gene shorts. 889 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: Dabbo Sweeney is still wearing the gene shorts, saying, you 890 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: guys all have moved on. I'm recruiting high school kids. 891 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: They're not leaving. I'm developing. I'm not doing the portal. 892 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,879 Speaker 1: And this to me feels like the kind of put 893 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: up or shut up year of like does that still work? 894 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:39,879 Speaker 1: We'll find out. 895 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's interesting because I can't understand why Dabbo would 896 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 2: take that approach, because if you go and you live 897 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 2: in the portal, like some teams are living, every year 898 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 2: is like a new team, and it's really hard to 899 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 2: be able a continuity in the chemistry that you're accustomed 900 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 2: to if you're Dabbo, where you talk about building a program, 901 00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 2: Georgie has somehow done it. 902 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 3: But I was say, at his. 903 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 2: Core, George's team is still comprised of guys that they 904 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 2: recruited and then they bring in some supplement, some pieces. 905 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 2: They're more like an NFL team where you draft and 906 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,240 Speaker 2: development and then you use the portal like free agency 907 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 2: to add to what you need. Daboy is going full scale. Uh, 908 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 2: hey man, we're drafting, we're developing, and we're not looking outside. 909 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: He's Chris Ballard. He's the Chris Ballard of college football right. 910 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 2: Now is Chris So he's all in and that's great. 911 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 2: But I know the Natives are getting restless because he 912 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 2: scored them. They were dominant. But it's been a minute 913 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 2: since Clemson has been and you know it, like he 914 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 2: goes quickly like it's been a minute since. 915 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: By the way, his bad years are still double digit 916 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,359 Speaker 1: win years, like that's still out. 917 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 2: I would say this DJ. I have a greater appreciation 918 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 2: for him as a coach now than I did when 919 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 2: he was winning national titles because the job that he did. 920 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 2: He was last year, a couple of years ago when 921 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 2: they were like four and four, they were kind of middling, 922 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 2: right around five hundred, and then he got them to 923 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 2: double digit wins. He can coach his tail off, but 924 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 2: I still feel like he's a little short when he 925 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 2: has to play those heavyweights at the top of the thing, 926 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 2: and does he have the quarterback that can that can 927 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,320 Speaker 2: eat level the playing field he had a great stretch 928 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 2: where he had Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence. 929 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 1: Where the quarterback could tilt the field in their favor. 930 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: Even even Tyler Boyd before that was fun. Yeah, yeah, 931 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: TODs boy yes, thank you. 932 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:25,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. 933 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 3: But even but they haven't had that. 934 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 2: And we'll see if the quarterback now can kill the 935 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 2: field and kind of get them back to where they work. Yep. 936 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: And Georgia is they're a juggernaut, man so. 937 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 2: And they're smarting because they did not make the playoff. 938 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 2: No one's really talking about him. All the love has 939 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 2: gone to Ohio State. And do you know about Kirby 940 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 2: smart He's always looking for something to pope the back. 941 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know one thing. If you mic 942 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: up both those locker rooms, it will sound a lot 943 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: different before that game. Put it that way. All right, 944 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great weekend. I'm so pumped up 945 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,720 Speaker 1: for it. Buck. We've we've only got one more weekend 946 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 1: off before we get to the NFL stuff. But we'll 947 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: enjoy some college football this weekend. Good luck to you 948 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: to Granada Hills. Let's go get a win. Let's get 949 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 1: to and oh and let's get back here and talk 950 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: about it next week. 951 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 3: It should be fine. Man, looking forward to it. 952 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for. I appreciate you guys. 953 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Right here, manmove the sticks.