WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 198 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:02.840 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.720 Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.440 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.680 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.560 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.040 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.000 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.759 there's going to be nothing new here for you, But 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:24.920 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.000 Garrison takes a puff of their clove cigarette as slow 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:39.919 jazz plays in the background. These sites say what they 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:45.400 used to be. I've been digging into liberal conspiracy theories. 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.839 That is, they're all the rage where the sky is 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.680 blue and the book is face. These libs think Old 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.360 Donnie Jay's close call in Pennsylvania was a false flag, 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.680 that the South African Musk stole the election, and that 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.840 the Park Service has gone rogue, waging an insearchent information 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:09.679 warfare against this corrupt administration, sending out coded messages on 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:14.160 social media. It's called blue and on doll and it's 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:20.959 been making me blue. This is it could happen here. 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.399 I'm Garrison Davis. I'm joined by Mio Wong for our 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:26.000 Blue On On episode. 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.840 Finally, I never thought. I never thought I would be 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.280 nostalgic for the days where I was arguing with Isis 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.880 on Twitter. But increasingly increasingly I am looking back at 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:41.560 that as the golden age the Internet. We were merely dealing. No, 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:42.959 it's it's only gotten. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.199 More stupid right wing terrorist organization. It's it's only gonna 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.040 get more stupid from here. Oh yeah, no, this is 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:50.800 this is the least stupid it's going to be for 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.360 at least fifty years. And this is the thing that 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.640 I realized what doing my research for this blue On 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.240 episode is that usually conspiracy research is kind of fun. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.320 I have a good time looking into conspiracy theories. I 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.800 like going to conspiracy conventions. I get joy out of this, 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:11.080 almost no joy. Looking into liberal conspiracy theories really boring 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:12.640 and kind of sad. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:18.440 So that's the intro for this episode, Garrison, can I 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.639 interest you in some of the bespoke shit? None of 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.320 none of the none of this twenty twenty four elections stolen? 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:29.079 Can I Can I interest you in some two thousand 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:36.119 and four iowall vote total skill? Oh yeah, absolutely, We'll 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:37.680 get to that so much better. 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:39.760 We'll get to that in our last section, because yeah, 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:41.760 there has been liberal election done out in the past, 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.280 not at the same I think scale it exists at now, 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.480 but yes, it certainly has existed before. And you know, 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.440 for a while, conspiracy theories were like a bipartisan or 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:55.560 at least like a by directional political pastime, like old 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:59.679 conspiracy magazines were not as partisan as conspiracy theories have 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.040 seemed today. Think of like, you know, JFK. Everyone gets 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.639 to have fun with JFK except for me. I don't 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:09.320 have any fun with that. And conspiracy culture used to 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:16.720 like crossover between hippie environmentalism, anti semitism, anti corporatism, anti authoritarianism. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.320 All these things exist both on the far right and 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.720 the far left. There was a lot of meshing between 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:27.760 different different polarities of conspiracy theory, and I think politics 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.840 on the fringe are slightly more susceptible to conspiratorial thinking. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:32.959 And if if you spend any amount of time and like, 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.960 you know, the communist left, you'll see that they have 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.680 their fair share of conspiracy theories or even just a 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.240 conspiratorial way of understanding the world. 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.680 They all think that we work for the CIA. 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.680 Yeah, stuff about the CIA and NATO all kinds of stuff, 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.800 and though like anti vaccine and nine to eleven trutherism 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:57.880 were initially more liberal aligned conspiracy theories, in the Obama years, 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.080 conspiracy culture coalesced around the growing far right. Look at 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.440 people like Glenn Beck and the slide of Alex Jones 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:10.160 into the fascist right. Case in point Obama, Birtherism and 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:14.760 all this stuff leads to Donald Trump and QAnon. As 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.000 of late, liberals have had a conception that as the 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.840 more rational of the two political alignments, they were almost 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:28.360 naturally immune to conspiratorial thinking. Meanwhile, attacks on consensus, reality, 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:33.240 fractured information streams, and any larger collective sense of what's 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.479 real and what isn't started to slip away from everyone. 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.800 Here, Yeah, your camera's flashing. They're trying to silence me. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:45.320 They're trying I'm getting too close to the truth. He 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.440 legitimately looked like a fucking like you're being taken off 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.040 the air in a cyberpunk thing, like you pirate radio 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:57.040 is my cat started to unplug my camera. Really funny shit. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:01.640 Although my cat is named Theodore Katzinski and Kazinski was 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:05.440 a CIA operative who got mk ultra, so you never know. 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:12.880 The right wings trailblazing of political unreality allowed space for 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:17.280 liberals to dip their toes into the conspiratorial mindset again, 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:21.119 but maybe without even realizing that's what they were doing. 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.640 Exaggerations of Russia Gate was one of the first Trump 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:29.880 era liberal experiments with conspiracy theories, the idea that Russia 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.400 not only engaged in hacking on a social media disformation 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.600 campaign to influence the twenty sixteen election, but that Donald 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:39.880 Trump himself colluded with Russia to get himself elected and 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.960 might even be a Russian asset. And even though those 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:49.440 allegations were investigated and not concretely proven, the conspiratorial churn continued, 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.719 emboldened by the media environment that the right has created. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.240 As QAnon accelerated during the second half of Trump's first term, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:03.360 so did the decline of American consensus reality, culminating in 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.560 the Stop the Steel movement in January sixth, which were 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:13.240 explosive manifestations of Internet conspiracism which erupted in the physical world. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.760 A severe fracturing of reality took place. Any conception of 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:21.040 a shared political reality seemed so far gone, and the 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.160 effects of this loss aren't just contained to Republicans, but 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.600 this also enables liberals and people on the left by 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.720 opening up space for small reality tunnels to form regardless 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:36.600 of political ideology. The siloing of information channels makes it 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:41.120 almost impossible to actually form a consensus reality. As the 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.680 United States has embraced its political cafe, as everything gets 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:51.720 more absurd, what loses is political mundanity. Liberals and the 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:56.160 left were almost destined to become more conspiratorial in this 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.520 current moment. And you can even look at how newsome 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:04.320 is like copying Trump's posting strategies, and even how people 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:09.040 like me memify and replicate Trump phrases. Many such cases, 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.400 we were all gonna be pulled into this at a 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.520 certain point because it's just more interesting. I'm going to 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.559 quote from one of MIA's favorite books, the CCRU quote 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:25.760 God No. Conspiracy fictions are spun out of an all 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:31.360 encompassing narrative that can't possibly be falsified, because they want 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.200 you to believe in their non existence. To attempt to 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.200 refute such narratives is to be drawn into a tedious 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.760 double game. One either has to embrace an arbitrary and 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:45.600 outrageous cosmic plot in which everything is being run by Jews, Masons, 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:51.920 the Illuminati, the CIA, Microsoft or Satan, or alternatively advocate 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:57.120 submission to the most mundane construction of quotidian reality, dismissing 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:01.920 the hyperstitional chaos that operates behind the greens. This is 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:07.120 why atheism is usually so boring. Both conspiracy and common 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:11.400 sense the normal reality script depend on the dialectical side 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:16.760 of the double game, on reflective twins belief and unbelief. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:22.040 But disbelief is merely the negative complement of belief. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:23.000 Unquote. 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.760 Belief is so much stronger because disbelief is so much 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:32.720 more boring. It only exists in comparison to belief in something. 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.079 I think this is why everyone has this urge to 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:41.000 get more conspiratorial and like Americans specifically, our country is 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.599 based on conspiracy theory, like the Masons are such a 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.240 core part of our national identity. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.920 I fucking went down that title. I went down the 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.640 like if you ask me to start talking about politics 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.280 in late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties Italy, I could 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.040 start talking about how Italy was run by a rogue 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.480 Basonic lodge. So that actually is true. If you google 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.839 propaganda due you will you will find out this was 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.160 this was actually, this was all the front page of 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.319 the New York Times. It was to be fair to 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.720 the basis, this was a rogue Masonic launch. They had 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.839 been expelled from the Masons for being assholes. But this 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.400 is true. All conspiracies are true, but only about nineteen 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:21.760 seventies Italy. But it's more interesting, right, like it it's 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.880 so much more interesting. Yeah, it is more interesting. And 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:29.200 it makes it really hard to disprove conspiracy theories when 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.840 the act of disproving it makes it feel like you're 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:36.600 submitting to some all controlling authority, and people people feel 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.880 like they're losing, like they're they And that idea of 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.280 submission is why people get so pulled into conspiracy theories, 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.000 because they think that believing in conspiracy theories is itself 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:49.920 almost a form of resistance against you know, quote unquote them, Yeah, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.560 which is which, which is very funny, because the actual 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.520 operation of conspiracy is precisely the other way around. Like 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.720 conspiracies had been encouraged by the government, by governments for ever, 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.199 like the protocols are the Elders of Zion were like 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:04.040 an op by the fucking czars, like like this is this, 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:05.960 like this this, this is this was this was literally 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:10.320 a Russian police operation. Right, but all of these people 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.480 now believe that they're like, oh, I'm like the anti 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.440 systemic person because I fell for this like anti Symitic 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.680 police operation. But it's yeah, it's a really powerful force. 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.960 The US government has intentionally stoked like UFO conspiracy theories 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:24.640 for eighty years. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:26.640 Yeah, because it covers up the thing. You know, if 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.079 you if you want to go conspiratory about it is 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:29.959 because it covers up the thing they're actually doing, which 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.840 is like mundane but horrifying weapons testing shit. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:40.839 Like Now, the CCRU proposes that quote unquote, unbelief might 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.439 be the way out of this cycle by building a 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.880 plane of potentiality where the annihilation of judgment converges with 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:54.560 real cosmic indeterminacy. I myself tried to embrace an unbelief 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.959 viewpoint for a lot of things, but I think that 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.320 only gets you so far, and might also so encourage 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.720 some of these same problems in a larger scale. Because 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:09.600 America has now gotten to the point of unbelief, especially 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:13.400 in regards to QAnon. We've outgrown the need for QAnon 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.680 because everything is QAnon. 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:16.000 Now. 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.760 Politics are about determining who is and isn't a pedophile 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.040 immigrants are trafficking children. Donald Trump is on the Epstein list, 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.400 which both doesn't exist and was invented by Democrats. Historical 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.000 events are staged. Every election was now stolen by the 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.760 side who won. DHS is posting coded messages on the Internet. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:37.200 The FBI and police are faking crime statistics. Everything Trump 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.280 does is a distraction from whatever the previous thing Trump did, 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.120 which itself was a distraction from whatever the previous thing 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:43.679 Trump did. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:45.240 So on and so forth. 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.120 This is just what American politics are now. 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:52.480 Yeah, and while Trump's numerous connections to Epstein are long 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:58.720 documented and he appears in Epstein FBI investigation files, discussions 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.959 around it can feel very the storm is coming. The 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.160 pedu elite are always just about to be arrested and 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.040 removed from office. I like to see old Donnie J 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.679 wiggle his way out of this jam. The logic of 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.679 QAnon has perforated almost every aspect of American politics. On 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:21.720 Blue Sky, there is this conspiratorial mantra gaining traction among liberals. Quote, 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.480 he wasn't shot, he didn't win, He's on the list. 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:27.160 Don't like that. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.280 Oh no, that's what they believe. Do you know what 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.959 isn't a conspiracy theory. Maya that advertisement is designed to 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:40.880 drive consumer demand repledged capitalism by replacing your desires. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.280 Not a conspiracy theory. That's just the good old truth. 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:58.160 Listen to these ads, all right, We're back as q 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:02.400 andon itself became a uber conspiracy theory overtime liking together 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.880 a large collection of historical and contemporary conspiracy theories into 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:10.599 one overarching story. Bluinon does not just refer to a 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.680 single conspiracy theory, but rather as a label that can 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:18.000 be applied to a general assortment of theories or conspiratorial 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:22.920 thinking held by contemporary liberals and Democratic voters. I myself 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.120 used a version of this term all the way back 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.320 in January of twenty twenty one for a since removed 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.120 YouTube video due to threats of violence, in which I 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:35.079 used the word blue QAnon to describe Portland liberals who 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:39.800 believed that Russia was staging Antifa protests to make liberals 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.800 look bad after Biden's election victory, and some of the 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.839 banners used in this video apparently had threats to the 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.680 President of the United States, so YouTube took down the video. Unfortunately, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.240 even though the video was just outlining liberal conspiracy theories 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.880 about this protest, thinking that Russia probably made this banner. 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:02.720 The censorship regime continues apace. 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.199 Around this time twenty twenty one, the term blew and 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:13.640 on was mostly used to refer to Trump Russia conspiracy theories, 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.400 but there were a whole bunch of other liberal conspiracy 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:20.240 theories in this era, like how palettes of bricks were 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.360 being mysteriously dropped off at protests. And though I will 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.920 say this conspiracy theory was used by both people on 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.480 the right as well as some centrist liberals. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.520 Yeah, and I think this is actually you know, you 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.880 were talking about how there is this like QAnon, like 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.160 this sort of moment of break with consensus reality. And 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.240 I think the twenty twenty uprising was one of the 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:43.880 most the single most important events in this entire process massively. So, yeah, 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.800 because the twenty twenty Uprising was a systemic challenge to 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:51.080 both the liberal and the Republican establishment right, because if 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.760 its central premise is true that the United States is 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.720 a structurally racist state, right that is based on the 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:03.880 oppression of black people, then you can't continue to maintain 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:08.000 the state. And also, simultaneously, the thing that was incredibly 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.400 threatening was that people were actually willing to go out 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:15.760 and fight the police over this. And on the right, 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.360 this obviously causes massive reality fraction because they have to 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.360 grapple with the fact that like most of the country 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.200 was fine with burning a police station down or were 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.520 they right? Yeah, this is like oh no, there was 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.200 this was this was act. This whole thing was actually 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:31.280 like a plan by like Antifa Democrats and like Pritzker's billionaire, 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:33.880 like the Jewish billionaire sorrow Jewish billionaires. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.160 It was actually the Boogaloo boys who planned the whole 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.440 thing and burned down the Third Precinct. 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.840 Yeah, and this is this is a very very compon. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.920 This became the liberal main line on the burning of 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.960 the Third Precinct was that it was a false flag 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.080 by like the Boogloo Boy People don't remember the Boogloo right, 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.920 Boogloo Boys. Yeah, it was like they're like this very 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.480 very weird race. 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.080 War fashion, trying to encourage a new civil. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.640 Lanness of a word weird fascist group. But like that 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:04.000 became the liberal main line because they had to find 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.400 a way to explain the fact that the people who 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:08.760 were you know, like a lot of people who are 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.240 norminally supposed to be their base, decided instead of doing 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.080 their sort of just like vote for the presidents and 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:16.720 like vote for the Democratic president and like non violently 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:21.120 and passively do nothing, people went and fought the police 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.760 for most of a year, and this caused this massive 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.680 fracturing where people had to believe it instead of there 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.560 just being construction sites and people taking bricks from construction sites, 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:34.120 as people have been doing for literally since the first 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.360 brick was made, people have been taking them and throwing 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:43.160 them at enemy authorities, right, Like Stonewall was a false play, yeah, right, 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.880 because the actual power of that uprising was so dangerous 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:51.880 to the fundamental liberal conceptions of of reality in the world, 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.840 and that like the marginalized and oppressed people who they 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.160 who they sort of planned to represent, would take take 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.640 it into their own hands. The idea that, yeah, the 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.920 state is structurally racism, so it has to be resisted. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.320 That caused people to just have to create these like 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.600 just pure reality tunnels of like, oh no, actually, any 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.399 attempt to fight the police is a false flag that 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.480 the police want to do. Or the burning of the 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.200 Third Precinct was actually like the fascist attempting to provoke people, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.080 and that the state actually wants you to fight it, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.639 because if you fight the state, then the state wins. 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.280 And like this is one of the er reality tunnels 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.840 that creates this sort of conspiratorial mindset. We're like the 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:26.840 Booglue boys at the third precinc That's not just a 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.480 thing from like you know, online posters that became the 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.760 main line of the Democratic Party because they also had 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.440 to contain the uprising and from there and once that's 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:42.560 the accepted narrative of like the Democrats, then this pure 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.480 reality tunnel conspiracy shit is now just baked in to 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.520 the very core of liberalism as it attempts to recuperate 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.720 and defeat the energies that were unleashed by twenty twenty 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.000 And that's how we're here. That's a large part of it. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.399 Flash Forwarding a few years during the first half of 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:04.200 twenty twenty five, especially in and around Biden's disastrous debate performance, 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.040 the blue and on term begun being used to refer 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.480 to a collection of theories that a secret cabal of 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:15.080 deep state elites, the news media, high ranking Democrats, and 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:19.479 Republicans were targeting Biden to sabotage his presidency to make 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:21.000 him lose the election. 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.200 There's no such thing as getting old. There is simply 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.560 being sabotaged by q cards and camera lighting positions. 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:36.240 Now, the blue On term here is sort of a 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.960 misnomer because like at this point, like Russia Gate, and 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:44.440 QAnon had very little in common. Like one viewed Trump 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.399 as the Messiah, the other viewed him as basically, you know, 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.960 an anti Christ slash Russian asset. In the wake of 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:55.360 the Trump assassination, Philip Bump penned a Washington Post article declaring, 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:59.800 quote QAnon and blue and on rhyme, the similarities end there. 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.879 And I have sympathies for this viewpoint, especially in the 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.480 wake of like January sixth. Right, Blunon doesn't have Satanic 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:12.359 wayfair child trafficking, but maybe it doesn't need to. No, 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.639 In conspiracy theories, it's not just about the substance of 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:20.800 the beliefs held, but the function and methodology of the beliefs. 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:25.920 And in the past year, Blunon's function and methodology have 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:30.160 started to parallel q Andon's more and more, which leads 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.560 us to the event that really opened up operating space 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.400 for the mainstreaming of the liberal conspiracy theories, the attempted 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:43.879 assassination of one Donald Trump. Americans are particularly susceptible to 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:47.880 assassination conspiracy theories. It has kind of been woven into 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:53.640 our national identity now. Of course, Republicans, including elected representatives, 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:57.680 developed their own fair share of theories about the attempted 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:02.120 assassination of Donald Trump. But that's a another episode. Here's 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:09.080 a viral Facebook video. Remember Facebook, it's not that bad taken. 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:13.880 Look what happened? Fake ass shit man. 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:19.840 Stage, fake ass shit bro Ain't no bullets flying and network. 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.160 You know what I'm saying. If you know anything about 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:22.640 the shootout. 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.760 Soon a shootout, you will see bullets, class stuff getting 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.320 piled off. Oh, ain't netting going on, never getting hit, 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:30.560 nothing getting piled off. 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:31.760 He definitely didn't get hit. 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:32.680 He faked it all. 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.960 The whole dang is fake stage and Grid Broles how 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.879 didn't play y'all. They gonna make y'all vote on now 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:40.480 off the dump? 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:41.080 You feel me? 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:42.040 Oh, y'all? 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:43.359 Oh he oh, he been shot at. 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.400 Y'all all gonna on a vote on goat some fucking clowns. 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:46.600 Bu. 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:52.160 The word staged spiked in use by almost four thousand 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:58.400 percent on Twitter, according to the misinformation tracker NewsGuard appearing 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:02.640 three hundred thousand times the day of and after the shooting. 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:07.359 The term inside job also rose on social media, up 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:11.880 by over three thousand percent, with bots and inauthentic accounts 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:16.159 adding to this chaos and Israeli dsinfo tech firm Cybra 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.320 found that forty five percent of accounts using hashtags like 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:24.320 fake assassination and staged shooting were inauthentic. Within a day, 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:27.880 a post on x questioning the authenticity of the event 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:32.960 gained over fifty thousand likes. Quote great camera angle, great quality, 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.119 no secret service agent in front of his head covering 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:42.240 the wound, conveniently placed US flag unquote. Another got nearly 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.200 fifty thousand likes, asking users to quote raise your hand 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:47.359 and repost if you think this was staged. 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.680 There was a flood of posts. 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:55.040 Earning thousands of likes and millions of alleged views, which 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:59.399 questioned why Trump was able to or allowed to stand 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.200 above the crowd after being shot, yelling fight, fight fight, 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:07.760 risking getting shot again, and while it could have been 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.320 possible that there was a second shooter, Trump was only 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.879 able to stand back up after it was confirmed that 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.240 Crooks was killed. You can hear it in the video 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:19.480 shoot her down shoot her down. Secret Service was already 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.560 aware of Crook's position prior to the shooting and had 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:26.840 not located any other possible shooters. But reality does not 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:30.240 matter here. Yeah, I'm going to play a short clip 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.000 from a YouTube video which was uploaded just a month 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:37.920 ago with over eighty five thousand views, explaining why someone 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:41.280 feels it really easy to believe in this conspiracy. 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:47.399 Now, ladies and gentlemen, I normally don't go down conspiracy hos. 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:51.040 I don't, but we know MAGA does. 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:55.000 Maga has gone down so many conspiracy holes and brought 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:58.439 it to science that we've got people not giving their 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:02.560 kids vaccine. We've seen easels rising in Texas. We had 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:05.359 people not wanting to get into COVID. We had quarterbacks 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.880 telling people to take ivermectin. We had people saying take 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:12.440 fucking horse trank oralizers to get rid of COVID. And 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:15.240 so now I think I've earned opportunity to go down 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:19.119 a rabbit hole. This video was someone who was right 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:22.879 there at the Trump rally, and they're contending that this 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.000 whole thing is made of which a lot of us 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:29.240 felt like it was anyway, because we do know that Trump, 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:33.160 he's not afraid to fool around and shall we say 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:38.080 reality or entertainment TV. We know he's not afraid to 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:40.560 do that, and I'll show you an example of that 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:41.200 in a minute. 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:45.760 What example do you think he's going to show a 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:50.000 WWE thing? It is a WWE thing. I remember there 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:54.520 was so much WWE like tieing shit with this. Well 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:55.679 we'll get to that in this second. 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:59.800 But I find this explanation of why this person feels 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:02.960 almost allowed to believe the conspiracy theory is now super interesting. 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:06.000 It is specifically because the right has been so willing 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.080 to embrace conspiracism that now it feels like it's fair 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.000 game for liberals to do it as well. And this 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:16.000 guy is just almost almost acknowledging this fact. He's kind 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:18.719 of like working his way to my entire thesis here, 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:21.000 maybe without realizing it. 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:23.879 Also, this guy sponsored by an AI company, just just 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:27.919 to make this absolutely perfect great stuff, great stuff happening 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.520 in this in the sphere of our political discourse. We 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:31.159 love to see it. 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:35.080 But yes, based on the blood severed across Trump's face 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:38.560 after he went on the ground, people postulated that Trump 0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:42.720 was hiding a razor blade in his sleeve WWE style 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:46.159 to purposefully cut his face to make it look like 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:46.960 he was shot. 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:51.000 Yeah, Donald Trump bladed himself. What are we doing here? 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:57.399 So should we believe that faking getting shot is beyond boom? 0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:00.800 Why would we believe that when this is steal Trump 0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:13.720 that once was trained by the WW whatn't those some 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:18.480 convincing ass right hands he just gave vincement Man, No, those. 0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:21.040 Were the least convincing right hands I've ever seen, and 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.879 I have watched pul Colgan threw a poton not for me. 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:26.920 You know what, I think we've saved this whole assassination 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:32.800 thing right here. Like this stuff doesn't even warrant debunking. 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:36.280 Debunking is useless, right, Yeah. All of these conspiracy theories 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.600 rest on the fact that rally attendees were hospitalized with 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:42.960 gunshot wounds and two people died as a sacrifice to 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.760 sell this event, and that the Biden era Secret Service 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:51.560 helped facilitate this whole operation. I watched YouTube videos explaining 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:53.800 that even if bullets were fired and people at the 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.960 rally were hitting killed though just not Trump, the actual 0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:00.159 footage of the shooting is actually ai because as the 0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:03.000 number of targets hit don't match the number of shots 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:06.120 heard in the video, and people in the crowd suddenly 0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:10.040 disappear once shots are fired, as in people get down 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:14.520 low on the ground to avoid getting hit. As for 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:18.320 the number of shots hit versus shots fired, these videos 0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:22.800 seem to not realize that bullets travel through objects like 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:25.760 say Donald Trump's ear the. 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:26.800 Point of a bullet. 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:31.240 Also, this was actually Trump loyalist police firing into the 0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:33.879 crowd as a part of this stage operation, not not 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:40.160 Thomas Crooks. After the shooting, a political advisor to Democratic 0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:44.119 donor and LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman named Dimitri Melhorn sent 0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:47.119 an email proposing that the shooting may have been quote 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:50.480 encouraged and maybe even staged so Trump could get the 0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:54.320 photos and benefit from the backlash unquote. The next day, 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:58.560 Melhorn regretted and apologized for sending the email. And think 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:01.680 about it. While one person was lined up perfectly to 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:04.560 get the now historic photo, think of how many other 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:08.800 professional photographers at the rally weren't so lucky. There's not 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.680 just one photographer at the event, there's lots, And yeah, 0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:13.600 one person got a really compelling shot. 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.760 It's a campaign event. There's paid photographers there. This is 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.480 what a campaign event is Oh my god, there was 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:22.800 a flag that was stayed because it was a campaign 0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:26.040 event going insane. 0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:32.240 According to a poll from Morning Consult, roughly one in 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.240 five voters said that they found it credible that the 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:39.760 shooting was staged and not intended to kill Trump, including 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:44.240 one third of at the time Biden supporters, thirty three 0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:47.800 percent of Biden supporters, and twelve percent of those who 0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:49.960 backed Trump, which is really funny to me. 0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:54.880 That's actually really funny. It was an inside job. 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:59.120 Good job, guys, good job the mega Trump assassination truthers 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.080 the majority of voters, though sixty two percent, said that 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:06.280 the unsubstantiated notion is not credible. 0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.280 A statement I've seen from both the conspiratorial left and 0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:13.639 the right is that we know all about say Luigi 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:17.760 Mangioni or this latest school shooter, but still know nothing 0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:21.920 about the Trump assassination. And this just isn't true. We 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:25.240 actually know a lot about Thomas Crooks. Now, just because 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:28.879 you haven't read about it doesn't mean that we don't know. 0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:31.680 I'll link to a recent New York Times article looking 0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:36.080 into his online footprint. We know a lot about this guy. 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:36.680 Yep. 0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:41.720 But based on the conception that this failed assassination attempt 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:45.240 would in the end help Trump get elected. Some people 0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:49.560 chose to just reject the event entirely, and yeah, it 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:54.280 was surreal, a warped manifestation of millions of people's dream 0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:59.160 And when things happen that challenge expectations or are just 0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:03.240 plain weird, some people reject that reality and substitute to 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:07.160 their own alternate realities which make more sense to them. 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.080 If a near mis event like this would help Trump, 0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.240 then it must be Trump's doing. Do you know what 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:14.720 Trump has no control over? 0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:16.960 It's so not true that he doesn't have control of 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:18.880 these products and services. We have good report I got 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:20.320 is his Increasingly. 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:22.560 The tariffs aren't real, be a. I won't believe the 0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:24.760 tariffs until I see them with my own two eyes. 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:27.440 I'm gonna I'm going to walk you to the port 0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:30.640 of LA. Are gonna go look at the tariffs together? 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:32.520 Why inside? 0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:45.760 So here's the ads. All right, we're back. 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:50.160 You can't talk about liberal conspiracy theories without the most 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.640 blatant example of some libs taking a page right out 0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:58.800 of the megaplaybook twenty twenty four Election denial God another 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.000 instance of Trump and you and on trailblazing something that 0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.800 used to be on the political fringe and normalizing it 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:09.160 as acceptable political discourse. Early on, after Trump was declared 0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:13.360 the projected winner, liberals questioned why there were seemingly twenty 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:17.640 million missing Democratic votes from the expected twenty twenty four totals, 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:22.480 pointing to the higher numbers in twenty twenty seemingly forgetting 0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:26.400 that vote. Totals were still being counted, and in the end, 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.720 there were only three million fewer votes this election, which 0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:34.920 is extremely reasonable for an election, according to NewsGuard. By 0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:38.720 Wednesday morning after the election, Trump cheated was trending on 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:44.080 Twitter with nearly one hundred thousand mentions since midnight. I'll 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.560 read a few of these viral tweets quote. I hold 0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:53.120 a master's degree in political science. I don't yet understand 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:56.960 these results, and I don't pretend to. I'm not into conspiracy, 0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:02.320 but I'd like to know millions across Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan 0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:06.440 really split their vote? Did millions of Democratic voters really 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:06.960 stay home? 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:11.240 And the answer is yes, yes, yes they did. That 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:13.280 is what happened. You figured it out. 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.000 People did split their vote, and yeah, lots of people 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:18.200 were not compelled to vote for Harris and stayed home. 0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:22.160 Congratulations you you stumbled across the reality. 0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:22.720 Mm hmm. 0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:26.280 Another person remarked, quote, I hold a master's again. I 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:28.959 love all these people prefacing this by saying that they 0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:30.280 have degrees. 0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:33.040 And I want to say two things about the degree thing. 0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:36.080 One eight each of the time when someone starts doing 0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.120 what are these things? You can go back and find 0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:41.760 different degrees they pretended have two. I have been around 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:47.200 people who get master's degrees in political science. We are 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:50.160 not talking about the cream of the intellectual crop here, Like, 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.120 this is a discipline that is like economics for people 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:56.280 who like or even worship the chain rule than economists. Like, 0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:57.200 what are we doing here? 0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:03.000 Quote I hold a masters in political science with a 0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:05.880 minor in statistics, and I can't make sense of this. 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:09.440 Human nature had to completely upend itself for this to happen. 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:13.080 Swing states voting straight blue down the ballot except for 0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:18.320 the top. Nah, that's not what people do, and yet 0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:22.080 it is what happened. A frige political science analysis. 0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:26.760 This is hinged for them so very quickly. 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:31.920 Liberals demanded recounts and court challenges, begging that Kamala Harris 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.440 take this to court with misinformation spreading that she was 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:40.760 planning said court challenges. Others alleged that Elon Musk hacked 0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:45.280 voting machines. According to a report from the University of Washington, 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:48.840 over a five day period, there were hundreds of thousands 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:51.760 of tweets and retweets about how Elon Musk, working with 0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:56.440 Trump and sometimes with Putin, used Starlink satellites to steal 0:32:56.520 --> 0:33:01.640 the election, perhaps by intercepting than changing totals through the Internet, 0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:06.440 despite most voting machines not being connected to the Internet. 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.680 No, and the actual thing that he did was like 0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:11.760 going to places and saying, I'll give you a million 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:13.600 dollars if you vote for this election, one of you 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:16.960 will win. Like that's like the actual thing that he did, 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.520 which is so blatantly obvious and. 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:23.840 Like basic like ground game targeting and swing states, Like, yeah, 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:29.960 they mobilized a shit ton of money. Quote, I'm hearing 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:34.840 today that Elon's software Starship is the software that handled 0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:38.600 all the swing state ballots. If indeed this is true, 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:41.360 this is clearly a conflict of interest and another reason 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:46.800 why swing states need investigations. Well, good news, this isn't 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:47.560 indeed true. 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:49.520 You made this up. This is fake. 0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:54.400 It's not just Twitter, though on Meta's Twitter alternative threads, 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:58.840 there was a hotbed of election denile, with posts like 0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:02.480 this spreading on the platform and beyond to places like Reddit. 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:06.680 Quote Trump cheats at everything in life. Putin interfered in 0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:10.040 the past three elections. Musk and Trump talked to putin 0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:14.800 a lot. Musk's Starlink uploaded votes in swing states. Swing 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.960 state voters went Dem down ballot, but Trump at the top. 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:26.760 Unlikely Starlink satellites exploding, destroying evidence unquote. This is referencing 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.400 a conspiracy theory from the time that based on an 0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:32.399 event on November tenth where a Starlink satellite re entered 0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:35.560 orbit and blew up, as elon Musk's technology is known 0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:40.120 to do. This was its self proof that he was 0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:42.759 blowing up his satellites on purpose to conceal evidence that 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:48.680 Starlink was used to alter election results. SpaceX regularly retires 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:51.440 satellites which then slowly fall to Earth and blow up. 0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:53.120 This is ordinary practice. 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.799 This particular satellite, which exploded on November tenth, was decommissioned 0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.799 back in August. This has nothing to do with the election. Still, 0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:03.799 there were viral tweets calling for a quote unquote, forensic 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:08.760 investigation and accounts like your n on News, an account 0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.640 pretending to be affiliated with the hacker group Anonymous, which 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:15.840 is a real vector point of left wing conspiratorial thinking. 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.200 I'm going to put a note here. Viz says that 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:20.759 the history of relationship if your n on News is 0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:22.920 very complicated. This is not a this is not a 0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:25.719 definitive statement on it. Please don't get mad at us. 0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:31.080 It's a it's a fucking mess. It's a fucking mess. 0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:33.640 That's That's what I'm gonna say about it. That guy 0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:34.399 sucks shit. 0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:39.360 They've been spreading a lot of election misinformation news, especially 0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:40.240 in November. 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:40.680 Quote. 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:44.080 Some strange statements from Trump and Elon have fueled doubts 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:48.000 about election integrity. You can just change one line of code, 0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:53.320 Elon stated about the code on electronic voting machines. I 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:56.680 don't need more votes. I already have votes, Trump stated repeatedly, 0:35:57.200 --> 0:36:02.160 So why not take a look unquote. This alleged quote 0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:05.359 from Elon cannot be sourced at all. The full version 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:08.200 of it is quote. If you want to steal an election, 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:10.560 all you have to do is change one line of 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:14.400 code unquote. I have tried so hard to find the 0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:17.680 original source for this quote. I cannot. It is just 0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:21.439 liberals saying Elon said this. It may have been something 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:23.800 he said, I cannot find it. Even if it is 0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.960 something he said, it's not evidence that he stole the election, 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:28.120 no at all. 0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:31.560 He does this like there's a whole conspiracy on the 0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:34.239 left that thinks that Elon Musk was behind the coup 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:37.040 in Bolivia, which was like something I was accepted by 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.400 EVO back when he was in the NIS, like in 0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:42.680 Bolivia because it was like politically convenient for everyone involved 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:46.080 to believe that, like Elon Musk did this coup in 0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:49.279 Bolivia over like lithium prices, when the actual reality was 0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:52.239 it was done by a bunch of Bolivia agrobarons. But 0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:55.120 people just believe this shit and and Elon will just 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.359 play into it, like because I don't he probably didn't 0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:00.719 say that. But like even if he, like he did 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:02.520 say the ship that he did the coup in Bolivia, 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:08.600 but like he didn't, he objectively didn't lollxd like I okay, 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:10.600 I'm not I'm not. I'm not going to get into 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.480 the price history of of lithium here and how there 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.279 was a fucking market glut at that point, which is 0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.360 the exact opposite thing you would want there to be 0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.040 if you're trying to steal with you like, it's nonsense. 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:22.880 So people just believe this shit because it fits, it 0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.640 fits their version of reality. And the right is really 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:27.279 happy to sort of play into this because they just 0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:29.200 play around with conspiracies. 0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:30.520 And this line from Trump is just breaking about having 0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:32.040 a lot of projective votes already. 0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:32.759 That's all it is. 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:36.720 Yeah, the day before inauguration day, people alleged that Trump 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:41.200 may have accidentally admitted to stealing the election in one 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:42.040 of his speeches. 0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.000 Oh my fucking god, let's take a look. 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:45.920 Trump just told on himself. 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:51.680 He just credited Elon Musk's knowledge of how voting machines 0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:56.200 work for his victory in Pennsylvania. He said this during 0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:59.919 his victory rally in Washington, d C. The night before 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.920 alleged inauguration. Let's listen to the audio. 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:07.600 And then he journeyed to Pennsylvania, where he spent like 0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:08.319 a month and a. 0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:11.759 Half campaigning for me in Pennsylvania. And he's a popular guy, 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:16.120 and he was very effective. And he knows those computers 0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:19.920 better than anybody, all those computers, those vote counting computers, 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:22.719 and we ended up winning Pennsylvania like. 0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:23.680 In a landslide. 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:24.920 So that was pretty good. 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.120 It was pretty good, So thank you to Elon. 0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:32.080 That is from a very popular TikToker. This particular video 0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:34.759 has twenty thousand likes. I can't even find how many 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:37.799 views it has, but there's hundreds of comments talking about 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:41.000 how the election was stolen. The same video was spread 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:44.520 by people like a friend of the pod Brooklyn Dad defiant. 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:49.520 Oh god, fucking okay, I need to spend five seconds. No, 0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:52.680 we don't have time. He's literally paid by a Democratic party. 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:55.320 He used to be Yeah, he used to be bluterally 0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:57.319 paid a Democratic party. He was a fucking oil guy. 0:38:58.719 --> 0:38:59.279 God damn it. 0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:03.480 Sorry, okay, but he said quote. Is that a fucking confession? 0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:04.120 Oh? 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:06.239 Twenty three thousand likes? 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:06.360 Oh? 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:09.799 Which, Now this line from Trump gets referenced a lot 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:13.440 in liberal stolen election theories. Trump is not saying he 0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:17.880 won because Elon knows vote counting computers. Those two statements 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:19.960 can be separate statements that are just right next to 0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:22.359 each other. More, it could be easily interpreted as saying 0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:26.160 that Elon Musk's computer knowledge helped prevent fraud, ensuring that 0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:29.560 if Dems tried to steal the election again, Elon would 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:33.080 have caught them. As twenty twenty, Republican election denial focused 0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:37.759 heavily on voting machines. In terms of numbers on how 0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:41.759 many Democrats don't think the election was legitimate, we do 0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:46.640 have some statistics. In twenty twenty, eighty eight percent of 0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:50.520 Democrats thought the election was legitimate and accurate. In twenty 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:54.600 twenty four, it was only sixty three percent, with nine 0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:57.279 percent saying it was the result of illegal voting or 0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:00.840 election rigging, and twenty nine percent saying they don't know 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:04.839 if it was legitimate or accurate. Of course, the Republicans 0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.880 found this election was extremely legitimate as compared to the 0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:10.719 last one, in which a majority of Republicans thought it 0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:13.160 was the result of illegal voting or election rigging. But 0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:16.600 still twenty nine percent of Democrats in twenty twenty four 0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:21.719 not knowing if the election is accurate pretty pretty damaging, 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:25.160 and obviously a lack of trust in election systems is 0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:29.480 an extremely damaging thing to the functioning of democracy. The 0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:32.160 reason why I decided to finally do this episode after 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:35.239 pulling little research bits over the course of the past year, 0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:41.759 is a tweet from August twentieth quote. Two whistleblowers have 0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:46.200 now confirmed that the NSSA conducted an election audit and 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:51.000 Harris was the winner. Don't fucking ignore this. One hundred 0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:56.719 and forty six thousand likes, almost thirty thousand retweets, five 0:40:56.800 --> 0:41:01.240 point five million quote unquote views. This went super viral. 0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:05.760 One of the biggest instances I've seen in recent election denial. 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.840 This viral tweet links to a substack with over fifty 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:14.279 one thousand subscribers and three million views. The focus of 0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:18.400 the blog is showing how Kamala Harris really won the 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:22.600 twenty twenty four election. The recent posts cover how a 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:27.240 former CIA operative has confirmed that, based on an NSA 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:30.960 audit of the twenty twenty four election, Kamala actually won. 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:35.480 This was a quote covert compartmentalized forensic audit unquote. 0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.279 It's literally just stop the steal. They did this the 0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:38.839 same thing. 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:42.960 It was completed in December twenty twenty four, and based 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:47.320 on the findings, the NSSA and CIA recommended a hand recount, 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.200 but the recount was unable to take place before the 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:54.360 January sixth election certification, and since then, the findings of 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:57.120 the audit proving a Kamala victory have been covered up 0:41:57.160 --> 0:42:01.880 by Tulci Gabbard and the Trump administration. This blog claims 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:05.000 the election was stolen by hijacking voting machines and quote 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:09.520 illegally copied software, decades of vulnerabilities, and the installation of 0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:12.839 a back door through a last minute change order right 0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:16.680 before the election unquote. Now, there's a few problems with 0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:19.880 this theory, the first at which being that the NSA 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:21.680 doesn't audit elections. 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.279 No what. 0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:30.920 This substacker also operates a still growing TikTok account to 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:36.160 prevent being suppressed for misinformation. The user toksin coded phrases 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:41.879 calling elections baking contests. State election results are either red 0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:43.400 cakes or blue cakes. 0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:45.239 Votes are ingredients. 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:48.799 Rist In her most popular video with about seventy five 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:52.359 thousand views, she claims that Trump isn't giving red swing 0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:57.120 states FEMA AID because he knows that these states actually 0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:00.640 voted for Kamala Harris, and so Trump is punishing them 0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:05.000 by withholding aid. This is her second most popular video, 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.600 with fifty thousand views, talking about North Carolina and how 0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:13.360 Elon Musk and Peter Thiel worked together to alter election results. 0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:14.399 Hey y'all. 0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:17.840 Quick update on the baking contest in North Kakilaki and 0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:21.400 the cake is in fact who we were able to 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:24.960 identify about one hundred and ninety seven thousand ingredients that 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:28.239 were swapped out by the space Baker, So he and 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.560 his friend whose name rhymes with seal have been up 0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:33.400 to some interesting things. 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:34.719 When it comes to these baking contests. 0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:38.640 So the surveillance Seal and the Space Baker doing some 0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:42.920 doing some interesting baking. So we need you to let 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:46.360 your media friends know and let all your let all 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:48.000 the people know. We're going to do an email campaign 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:49.520 next week because that seems to be how we get 0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:54.239 this done. We do have avenues to undo this unholy. 0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:55.919 Mess, and just hold on to your hope. 0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:59.279 Run over to my friends at the coorse Ate and 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:01.840 of course the Common Coalition. Check out the report. We 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:05.280 have more to report on all of the baking contests 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:07.120 that we're working on. We're still digging, We got more 0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:10.239 to go and blue Skies ahead, y'all. 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:15.800 There's something specifically uniquely horrifying about the way that like 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:23.080 just the sort of TikTok language of sewer side or 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:25.959 whatever like that people say, like that kind of shit 0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:29.200 this stuff just makes me really sad. No, it's it's 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:36.799 so like I can't have fun with this anymore. Oh God, 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:37.520 damn it. 0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:39.120 The same thing when I was watching some of the 0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:41.160 trum assassination videos when I realized this is just from 0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:43.839 people who are unwell, and I can't even have fun 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:45.400 with this. And that is also the case with a 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:46.960 lot of Q and on stuff. You should be really 0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:50.880 careful about how much joy you take in the suffering 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:54.160 of people and people displaying their suffering on the Internet 0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:57.360 by engaging in this stuff. But yeah, this stuff's just 0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:01.160 really sad. Like in other videos, she's with her followers 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.280 to contact their state governors to convince them to change 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:08.120 all the voting machines because they've been compromised. And I'll 0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:10.680 play one more video before we close the episode, I 0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:13.360 says over thirty two thousand views. She talks about Trump 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:18.120 using tariffs as leverage to get countries to sign deals 0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.759 with Elon Musk's Starlink satellites, which will then be used 0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:24.719 to control elections worldwide, and the only way to stop 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:26.880 this is to impeach Trump and put Kamala in the 0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:29.320 White House since she is the rightful winner of the 0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:30.360 twenty twenty four. 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:35.200 Election, they take from their constituents. 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:39.440 Now to address the Space Cadet, and how look at 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:43.279 what he launched last year in record time ten months, 0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:47.480 this low orbit DTC constellation. And look at what they're 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:49.799 doing with the countries around the world. To get your 0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:52.040 tariffs removed, you have to sign a contract with the 0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:56.520 Space Cadet. Hello, this is not about any kind of 0:45:56.680 --> 0:46:00.719 like you know, internet in the rural areas, blah blah blah. 0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.719 Nothing about this is to be nice. No, it is 0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:09.040 to control future contests. The US was not the endgame. 0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:12.719 It was the litmus test. So we can get out 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:16.080 of this. We have constitutional avenues to get out of 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:18.920 this situation, but we need Congress to act, and Congress 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.840 won't act until the American people know what happened. And 0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:24.320 they're not going to know what happened until our influencers 0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:28.200 and our media handle the situation. So Rachel Matto, please, 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:33.879 Lawrence Midas touched. For heaven's sake, Midas touched you guys, 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:37.040 four million people, you could be blasting this out and 0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:40.760 letting the American people know what happened. Do your jobs, please, 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:44.160 so we can get the rightful people in the. 0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:46.359 House that they belong in, the big white one. 0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:52.960 I think one of the things that makes me so 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:57.640 insane about these is that like if you're actually, I 0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:00.959 guess Garrison, you weren't around for this. But like I've 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:05.120 legitimately have lived through two attempts to steal an election, right, 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:09.960 Like there was two thousand which the Republicans just stole 0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:13.200 and then yeah, Donald Trump did try to steal the 0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:15.839 election in twenty twenty, but he did it by having 0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:18.920 people try to form mobs outside of polling places and 0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:25.000 then like his supporters did January sixth That's a real thing. 0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:31.840 But the thing about these conspiracies is like they devour reality, 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:36.279 They consume it and strip it for his constituent parts. 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:39.200 Which is why you see so many like you know, 0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:41.279 used to see so many conspiracies that would you know, 0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:43.560 if you look at their giant conspiracy charts. They're talking 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:45.120 about like the structure of the World Bank and the 0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:48.480 IMF and like that's where the Builderberg group stuff comes 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:52.120 out of, Right, they love charts. The Builder Group stuff 0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:56.160 is them taking the real structure of the International Monetary 0:47:56.239 --> 0:48:00.480 Fund and the World Bank and then you know, devouring 0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:03.440 that structure and spinning back out conspiracy and that that's 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:07.320 what these things do. They take they take real things 0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:10.200 that happen in the world and just devour them and 0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:14.440 turn them into just nothing. And it makes it harder 0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:16.759 to act because like, yeah, we do live in a 0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:20.320 world where the Republican Party has like attempted to or 0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:24.160 successfully did steal two elections, but not this one. 0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:27.400 And if this is your mode of resistance, of hashtag 0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:32.360 resistance against Trump, that's useless. It's completely useless. It's not 0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:36.800 actually managing any of the effects of Trump on people, 0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:41.000 like ice, like attacks on career people. It's this fully contained, 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:43.960 non non form of fighting. 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:45.800 Yeah, and like like you see you see this, You 0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:47.560 see this too on the left of CIA stuff, where 0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:50.000 it's like everyone is convinced that like the person they're 0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:53.279 arguing with on Twitter like is the CIA, and that 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:57.280 the way that you combat CIA influences by like spreading 0:48:57.600 --> 0:48:59.440 I don't know, post and pro asage shit. And it's 0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:02.880 like that's not not actually substantively combating the influence of 0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:05.800 the CIA. It just feels like it is. And that 0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:09.480 structure of feeling is so powerful that it prevents you 0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:10.480 from doing actual action. 0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:12.960 There has been this new conspiracy theory getting traction on 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:17.440 Blue Sky a lot that the masked people engaged in 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:23.880 Immigration enforcement ICE aren't actually ICE agents. They're secretly quote 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:29.480 J sixers, bounty hunters or thugs, oathkeepers, proud boys. It's 0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:32.560 a big assumption to even say they're federal agents. They're 0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:34.640 not identified. We have no idea who they are. Could 0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:37.080 be proud boys, or oath keepers or three percenters unquote. 0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:40.279 This is trying to push the blame away from the 0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:44.240 US government, who is engaging in this action ICE, onto 0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:47.799 these non state actors, which people in their mind think 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:51.440 are easier targets. And it's just a completely misunderstanding of power, 0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:54.440 and it's a misunderstanding of their current political situation, and 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:58.520 it gives you no ability to actually stop the bad 0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:01.520 things ICE are doing. I've seen this theory gain a 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:04.480 lot of traction online. And in the same way that 0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:07.439 QAnon is a product of the cognitive dissonance of Trump 0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:09.600 supporters having to grapple the fact that the trumpet that 0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:11.839 their god king is in power and their lives still suck, 0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:14.640 this is this specific one is a product of the 0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:17.520 cognitive dissonance of like the fact that these people all 0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:20.960 supported ICE when Biden was Biden was the run, running 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.040 it when like Biden fucking did his executive order to 0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:25.239 shut the border down, right, but kumboom Biden was like 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:27.680 doing consration camps in the desert. They were all pro ICE, 0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:29.279 and then they suddenly have to deal with the world 0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:33.200 where ICE is doing an ethnic cleansing and they can't 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:35.560 process that. And so the way that they attempt to 0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:36.800 cope with it is being like, well, that's actually not 0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:41.640 the real Ice. That's like j six proud boys. It's 0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:46.319 a groper occupied government. They're sending out coded messages on Twitter. Yeah, 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:47.760 it's the same thing me and you did the episode 0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:50.600 about a few weeks ago in our dog Whistle Politics 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:55.319 and the Hunt for Coded Nazi Messaging episode. But yeah, 0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:59.920 And though some Democratic voters are engaging in election denial, 0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:03.200 I think one key difference from twenty twenty Republican election 0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:07.440 denial is that liberal election officials have as of yet 0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:11.360 not been willing to participate in this rhetoric openly or 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:14.800 pursue these baseless fraud accusations. This is still one difference. 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:17.279 But I think it's a ticking clock. I think it's 0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:19.440 only a matter of time, especially once we see the 0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:24.000 midterms that people running for office, that Democrats might start 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:28.359 embracing some kind of wing nutty stuff the same way 0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:33.680 Marjor Taylor Green Trojanhorst wing nutty politics into Congress, and 0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:36.440 now we see a whole bunch of other representatives being 0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:39.759 able to engage in conspiratorial thought on the right. There's 0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:42.000 going to be a few instances of this, I think 0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:45.279 in the next midterm election for Democrats. It's something to 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:47.359 keep an eye out for, because I think it's only 0:51:47.400 --> 0:51:49.279 a matter of time. Like what I mentioned in that 0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:53.480 CCR you quote, mundane reality is going to lose because 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:55.960 this stuff is just more interesting. People are going to 0:51:56.000 --> 0:52:00.239 try to buy it, and it requires constant pushback. It 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:04.480 for part one, But there's gonna be another episode tomorrow 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:08.400 where I talk with Jack of the Alt watcher Blue 0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:12.000 Sky account to discuss the latest evolution of blue and 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:15.640 On and possibly the most qan Oni extension of Blue 0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:19.640 and On we've seen yet, the Alt National Park Service 0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:23.160 and their coded messages being sent out on Blue Sky 0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:27.360 and Facebook. So stay tuned for that tomorrow, and remember 0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:51.960 you are not immune to propaganda. Seventeen two nineteen, two 0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:57.520 hundred twenty seven general public. Please disregard as this podcast 0:52:57.600 --> 0:53:01.920 as fighting battles on multiple fronts. This podcast is it 0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:06.080 could happen here, and I'm Garrison Davis. Last episode, I 0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:11.600 talked with Miowong about the trajectory of liberal conspiracy theories, 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:16.480 specifically throughout the last ten years, from Russia Gate to 0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:21.400 Trump's staged assassination and twenty twenty four election denial. This 0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:26.080 resurgence of liberal conspiracism has been dubbed blue and On. 0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:28.880 If you want more background on that, go listen to 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:33.719 our previous episode. But this episode is about a new 0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:38.439 evolution of Blue and On and possibly the most Qanani 0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:45.080 iteration we've seen yet. The Alt National Park Service a 0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:49.239 social media engagement farming account that gained traction on Blue 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:53.279 Sky and Facebook last February. In March admidst cuts to 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:56.840 the Park Service from the Trump administration. This account gained 0:53:56.880 --> 0:54:01.040 followers by posing as a group of anti Trump dissidents 0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:05.080 from within the Park Service, and soon enough it inspired 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:09.640 a collection of other Alt government accounts like Alt CDC, 0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:15.239 Alt Nih, Alt Yellowstone, and Alt Noah. The original Alt 0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:19.439 National Park Service account basically never talks about the park 0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:23.000 Service itself, but during the first few months of Trump's 0:54:23.080 --> 0:54:27.319 second term, the account started going viral by posting sequences 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:32.880 of random numbers as ostensibly coded messages to other hashtag 0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:37.640 resistance fighters, though the account has since experimented with, altered 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:42.080 and refined their engagement strategies. To hear more about that 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:45.560 and how Alt National Park Service fits into this trend 0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:49.319 of liberal conspiracy theories, I talked with someone who has 0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:53.640 spent the past few months documenting and writing about this account. 0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:57.919 The person who runs the alt watcher account on Blue 0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:02.319 Sky and writes about their search on the blog Dispatches 0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:06.960 from the Online Void. So here's that interview. 0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:08.600 My name's Jack. 0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:12.359 I'm the user behind the account alt Watcher on Blue Sky, 0:55:12.480 --> 0:55:15.480 and I've been following the Alt National Park Service for 0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:18.839 about six months, just documenting what they do and how 0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:21.680 they steal from journalists and how they're driving a lot 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:23.200 of people insane, including me. 0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:30.480 What is the Alt National Park Service or first, what 0:55:30.600 --> 0:55:33.480 does the Alt National Park Service claim to be? 0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:37.120 Yeah, that's an important difference. The All National Park Service 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:42.480 claims to be a loose affiliation of anonymous former parks 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:46.000 employees that are either still employed by the park service 0:55:46.040 --> 0:55:48.359 and kind of working behind the scenes, or who were 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:51.200 fired or laid off by the Trump administration and are 0:55:51.280 --> 0:55:54.640 now part of a nationwide coalition to resist the government. 0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:57.880 That's what they claim to be. What they really are 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:03.080 is just a Facebook shit posting account. We're not sure 0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:05.240 if it's one person behind it or if it's a group. 0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:08.520 It's remarkably hard to find out anything about the person 0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:12.080 who is behind the account, who they are, where they are, 0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:14.799 and how they started this. But what they do most 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:18.080 of the time is repost the work of journalists directly 0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:22.879 plagiariyes from news outlets, and post these vaguely conspiratorial things 0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:25.360 online to try to whip up engagement from their followers. 0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:30.280 I first became aware of this back in probably March 0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:35.040 of twenty twenty five, specifically when on Blue Sky they 0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:39.040 just started posting a lot of numbers. Yes, I was 0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:42.400 aware that this account was created, like in the aftermath 0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:46.120 of some like Doge related cuts to the Park Service, 0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:49.960 or like anti Dei, anti woke stuff, and then this 0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:53.279 account popped up claiming to be you know, like resistance 0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:58.400 from inside to people who watch politics like seriously for 0:56:58.480 --> 0:56:58.960 their jobs. 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:00.200 Was very clear that this was. 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:04.360 Not a legitimate organization, and then they just started posting 0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:10.000 numbers sequences of numbers along with other cryptic messages, and 0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:15.080 this like immediately starts hitting like the q and on bells. 0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:19.560 Back in July of twenty twenty four, there's a Washington 0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:26.320 Post article about the Trump assassination conspiracy theories, but specifically 0:57:26.440 --> 0:57:28.000 it was it was a I think it was an 0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:33.760 opinion piece critical of terming liberal conspiracy theories as as 0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:37.480 quote unquote blewing on. They said, quote the main similarity 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:39.840 of q and on and bluing on is that they rhyme. 0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:44.320 And for a while I kind of understood this criticism 0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:46.760 and agree with parts of it, because there was there 0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:51.200 was structural differences between some of how you know, liberals 0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:54.800 or like quote unquote the left engage in conspiratorial thinking, 0:57:55.200 --> 0:57:58.920 and like the function of q and on the numbers 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:03.960 think started to I'll mess with that analysis because then 0:58:04.000 --> 0:58:07.160 you started to see the actual methodology and like the 0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:13.040 ideological function of QAnon start to get replicated in what 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:17.240 is most likely just like engagement farming. But for the 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:20.280 people who are following this account and engaging with it 0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:23.480 and like it becomes like an important part of their 0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:27.840 life and their perception of like hashtag resistance. And I 0:58:27.880 --> 0:58:31.240 think that's where bluing on actually proved itself as a term, 0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:34.480 was in March of twenty five, I guess, let's talk 0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:35.560 about the numbers. 0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:39.480 You know what, I would love I would love to 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:42.520 talk about the numbers. The numbers are also what stood 0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:44.320 out to me, and that is why I ended up 0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:48.800 making my account and diving into all this. During the pandemic, 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:51.600 I got obsessed with qana, you know, as as just 0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:54.320 what is this? A lot of people did a lot 0:58:54.400 --> 0:58:56.800 of people did, you know, Look, pandemic did a lot 0:58:56.840 --> 0:58:59.000 of crazy things to us. Some people learned to knit, 0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:01.960 some people got good at baking. I got really into 0:59:02.120 --> 0:59:05.520 learning about q and on and I am. I'm a 0:59:05.600 --> 0:59:09.640 huge fan of the QAA podcast. I listened to that constantly. 0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:13.720 And as soon as I saw altonps post one of 0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:16.280 the numbers, I realized, I'm reading this. 0:59:16.560 --> 0:59:17.880 In their c voice. 0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:21.640 Yeah, their their voice modulated voice that sounds like this 0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:24.440 whenever they would post. And I started reading all the 0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:27.080 numbers post that way, and just like you said, something 0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:30.640 clicked and I went, oh, this is oh, I see 0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:34.720 what they're doing here. Yeah, and they've posted numbers many times. 0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:37.160 I've got my giant spreadsheet pulled up here, and I 0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:39.840 think they've posted something like thirty numbers. It's been a 0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:42.000 while since they've done it. But the thing that really 0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:44.720 gave the game away from me was during one of 0:59:44.760 --> 0:59:49.200 these numbers posts, they posted some random number and then 0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:52.840 replied to themselves and said, for discussion, what do you 0:59:52.920 --> 0:59:56.680 think these numbers mean? And I said, oh, I see 0:59:56.720 --> 0:59:57.600 what's happening. 0:59:57.360 --> 1:00:01.120 Here, kind of giving away the game there, hell at exactly. 1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:05.440 Yeah, this is not a group of government insiders communicating 1:00:05.560 --> 1:00:09.760 with their coalition. This is the user behind a Facebook 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:13.080 account realizing in real time that they've stumbled on like 1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:16.080 a gold mine for engagement. Yeah, oh, we can just 1:00:16.240 --> 1:00:19.200 do this and people will do the work for us, 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:22.000 and we're just going to say that out. 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:23.760 Loud and throughout. 1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:29.400 Like March and April, their count just like rocketed in popularity. Yes, 1:00:29.800 --> 1:00:33.200 I've not actually looked on their Facebook account. Besides, like 1:00:33.240 --> 1:00:35.720 the post that you've shared, I've only seen them on 1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:39.240 Blue Sky. Is what is the difference of their presence 1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:41.840 on Facebook versus like blue Sky Blue Sky. 1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:44.760 I think they're at something like nine hundred k on Facebook. 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:46.480 The last time I checked it was about four point 1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:47.040 three million. 1:00:47.440 --> 1:00:47.840 Geez. 1:00:48.800 --> 1:00:52.200 Yeah, they are a massive presence on Facebook and they've 1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:55.520 been monetizing their posts. Recently, they have been sponsored content 1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:57.840 on Facebook leading to their page. 1:00:58.320 --> 1:01:00.680 This is where I think one of the different from 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:03.880 like how Q and nonfunctioned and all National Park Service, 1:01:03.920 --> 1:01:08.600 because you know, Q was not monetizing posts on the chance. 1:01:09.440 --> 1:01:11.840 That's like I would have loved to see him try. 1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:12.760 That would be really funny. 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:16.840 I do not see like this account existing as like 1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:21.040 as a sort of operation to influence the political trajectory 1:01:21.120 --> 1:01:23.360 of the United States the same way that the qan 1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:25.720 on account at least evolved in that capacity. Even if 1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:28.160 it started off as like a shit posting thing exactly, 1:01:28.320 --> 1:01:31.479 it certainly evolved with with more of a malicious intent 1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:33.920 the people behind you know, Q posting. 1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:36.640 Yeah, I think that's a big difference between them, is 1:01:36.720 --> 1:01:40.080 that this is straightforwardly an engagement far. 1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:42.640 Yeah, using some of those tactics, especially like early on, 1:01:43.480 --> 1:01:47.120 but for a very simple reason, and that's that's making 1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:50.040 money on the Internet, like everybody is trying to do. 1:01:50.360 --> 1:01:53.720 It's it's it's just like internet hustle culture stuff with 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:57.080 with no grappling with like the consequences that has for 1:01:57.160 --> 1:01:59.440 like the psyche of of people who who engage with 1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:00.240 your content. 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:03.320 Exactly, and the psyche of people who engage with this 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:07.360 content is really what keeps me coming back to this project, 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:11.000 because that is the real harm I see here. Look 1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:13.720 the online drifters or a diamond doesn't you know people 1:02:13.760 --> 1:02:17.960 who sell stuff online. It's everywhere, it's inescapable. What's unique 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:20.840 about alt NPS is that they are trying to make 1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:24.360 money on convincing people that this is real. You know, 1:02:24.440 --> 1:02:28.479 they're not just selling hashtag resist shirts or whatever. They're 1:02:28.720 --> 1:02:31.280 trying to get money out of people by convincing them 1:02:31.720 --> 1:02:35.880 that they really are part of a shadow resistance against 1:02:36.280 --> 1:02:38.880 against Trump, and that you can buy their shirts or 1:02:39.000 --> 1:02:41.400 you can straightforwardly just send them money for things like 1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:45.000 their all Junior Ranger program that they've said they're starting, 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:47.919 and if you send them a dollar, you're helping fund 1:02:48.040 --> 1:02:50.800 that program. And it's totally real. And the fact that 1:02:50.880 --> 1:02:53.560 they didn't mention it for seven straight months after initially 1:02:53.560 --> 1:02:56.240 announcing it is something you definitely shouldn't worry about. Do 1:02:56.360 --> 1:03:00.440 you know what else you definitely shouldn't worry about? This 1:03:00.840 --> 1:03:02.000 short at break. 1:03:12.640 --> 1:03:15.840 So they have face pushback for their numbers posting, but 1:03:15.960 --> 1:03:19.600 they have found a way to justify it publicly, to 1:03:19.680 --> 1:03:23.240 talk about like how they've framed the posting of just 1:03:23.320 --> 1:03:26.320 like four numbers, two numbers, and like the sort of 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:28.480 like defense of the account that it plays. 1:03:29.200 --> 1:03:32.800 Yeah, that was this maybe says something about me, But 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:34.960 that was maybe the post that made me the angriest 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:39.080 of anything they've done, because I have a deep seated 1:03:39.200 --> 1:03:42.640 reaction to feeling like someone who thinks I'm stupid, And 1:03:42.760 --> 1:03:44.560 all I could think is, do you think I'm an idiot? 1:03:45.080 --> 1:03:48.440 When I saw their reaction to this, Because we are 1:03:48.560 --> 1:03:51.360 often criticized for the numbers we post online. 1:03:51.560 --> 1:03:52.640 We can't tell you everything. 1:03:53.080 --> 1:03:57.240 Sorry, And then they went on this big half explanation 1:03:57.480 --> 1:04:00.440 about stingrays and cell site simulator. 1:04:00.320 --> 1:04:02.000 Cell site simulators. 1:04:02.320 --> 1:04:07.200 Yeah, but they didn't explain what those actually do. They 1:04:07.320 --> 1:04:10.200 did not explicitly claim they were being surveilled by one, 1:04:10.960 --> 1:04:14.000 and they didn't explain why the existence of stingrays and 1:04:14.040 --> 1:04:16.560 cell site simulators means that they should. 1:04:16.320 --> 1:04:19.800 Do all this on Facebook instead posting numbers does not 1:04:20.200 --> 1:04:25.000 bypass the security concerns posed by the presence of a 1:04:25.040 --> 1:04:28.520 cell site simulator. No, because you're still posting publicly on 1:04:28.840 --> 1:04:31.919 the Internet. That doesn't matter at all. Yeah, you're pulling 1:04:31.960 --> 1:04:34.800 something out of your asse that sounds technical, that's going 1:04:34.880 --> 1:04:37.960 to trick your you know, average boomer and maybe you 1:04:38.040 --> 1:04:41.720 know three out of five gen X people who are 1:04:41.960 --> 1:04:46.080 scrolling Facebook slash Blue Sky and like that's that's all 1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:49.040 they need to do. But for anyone who knows what 1:04:49.200 --> 1:04:53.040 a cell site simulator is or how like internet communications works, 1:04:53.080 --> 1:04:55.880 it's very very clear that this is just like completely bullshit. 1:04:56.240 --> 1:04:58.680 It's completely bullshit because you're right that this is all 1:04:58.720 --> 1:05:00.760 they need to do. They just need to deflect. And 1:05:00.840 --> 1:05:02.480 I think that's what stood out to me about this 1:05:02.640 --> 1:05:04.960 post in particular, is that it showed me that the 1:05:05.000 --> 1:05:07.000 person or people behind all the time ps have a 1:05:07.160 --> 1:05:11.120 genuine level of pr skill. You know, they have a 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:13.720 certain level of what I think is a real skill 1:05:13.800 --> 1:05:18.200 at deflection public relations and being able to spin what 1:05:18.320 --> 1:05:21.560 they're saying. You know, that's a genuine skill. It's a 1:05:21.600 --> 1:05:24.120 shame that it's being applied to this instead of, I mean, 1:05:24.200 --> 1:05:27.680 anything else, but that is a skill that they have 1:05:27.880 --> 1:05:32.360 that they're able to deploy in defense of their conspiratorial posting. 1:05:32.720 --> 1:05:35.240 The other thing that they post in relation to the numbers. 1:05:35.400 --> 1:05:40.800 Is there one time forward catchphrase general public can disregard. 1:05:41.560 --> 1:05:44.040 Don want to talk about the context of those posts. 1:05:44.440 --> 1:05:47.400 Yes, those were replies that they would make to the 1:05:47.520 --> 1:05:51.080 numbers posts, usually to the numbers posts, but occasionally to. 1:05:51.480 --> 1:05:53.320 Some other cryptic thing they would post. 1:05:53.960 --> 1:05:56.600 They would post their numbers, say forty four, and then 1:05:56.600 --> 1:06:00.600 they would reply to themselves saying general public can disregard, 1:06:01.480 --> 1:06:04.040 or they'd say please disregard if you are a member 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:08.080 of the general public. And there were a lot of 1:06:08.280 --> 1:06:11.880 people online who saw that and thought, oh, that must 1:06:11.960 --> 1:06:12.760 mean it's a code. 1:06:13.080 --> 1:06:14.120 It has to be real. 1:06:14.800 --> 1:06:18.840 They're engaged in some sort of like secret agent spy work, 1:06:19.000 --> 1:06:20.720 and this is very really important. 1:06:21.360 --> 1:06:23.880 Yeah, yeah, And I would see a lot of people 1:06:24.360 --> 1:06:27.160 push back on any criticism that the account would get 1:06:27.200 --> 1:06:29.840 for this by saying things like, it's code for a reason. 1:06:30.120 --> 1:06:32.840 You know, guys, they're speaking in code. Don't try to 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:35.640 crack the code. It's not for us, you know, this 1:06:35.800 --> 1:06:39.360 is for the coalition. And whenever anybody would say I 1:06:39.440 --> 1:06:41.280 don't think this is real or like any of the 1:06:41.320 --> 1:06:43.280 things we've talked about about, why does this make sense, 1:06:43.760 --> 1:06:47.440 they would instantly be accused of being a right wing 1:06:47.760 --> 1:06:51.880 infiltrator or a troll or a MAGA spy or something 1:06:51.960 --> 1:06:55.280 like that. You know, there can be no actual criticism 1:06:55.360 --> 1:06:58.160 of the account. There can only be infiltration. 1:06:58.880 --> 1:07:01.720 Yeah, and that does have more like Q overlap, I 1:07:01.800 --> 1:07:04.000 suppose absolutely. I don't know. 1:07:04.080 --> 1:07:07.080 It's odd because like throughout through writing about all this 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:10.040 like bluing on stuff. As much as this stuff is 1:07:10.160 --> 1:07:13.640 a legitimate problem, like which it is, it's just a 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:17.520 symptom of a larger political problem in America, and the 1:07:17.560 --> 1:07:21.520 people engaged with it, if anything, are kind of victims 1:07:21.600 --> 1:07:24.640 as well as like perpetrators. And like this was the 1:07:24.680 --> 1:07:26.400 same thing with like Q and on, where like your 1:07:26.440 --> 1:07:29.640 average person engaged with it as bad as it is 1:07:30.000 --> 1:07:31.640 and some of the stuff that they might like say 1:07:31.760 --> 1:07:35.760 or do, I also just feel bad for the people involved. 1:07:36.360 --> 1:07:38.680 And it's this same thing with this. 1:07:39.000 --> 1:07:43.120 As annoying as this kind of like lib slop can be, 1:07:44.040 --> 1:07:47.080 the people who have to have to believe in something 1:07:47.160 --> 1:07:50.600 like this in order to like keep going that it's 1:07:50.720 --> 1:07:53.880 kind of like a tragedy in a way, and this 1:07:54.040 --> 1:07:57.040 is obviously is serving some important psychological function for them. 1:07:57.640 --> 1:08:02.120 Yeah, I totally agree, And I think that's that sadness. 1:08:03.040 --> 1:08:05.880 I think is what keeps me wanting to engage with this. 1:08:06.520 --> 1:08:08.280 You know, when I look at this and I see 1:08:08.320 --> 1:08:10.920 alt Enps trying to get people to buy their T 1:08:11.000 --> 1:08:15.240 shirts or just farm engagement, that's not remarkable to me. 1:08:15.480 --> 1:08:17.880 That's normal that happens on the internet all the time. 1:08:18.200 --> 1:08:20.800 What keeps me coming back to wanting to fight this 1:08:21.080 --> 1:08:24.000 and wanting to document all this is the people I 1:08:24.120 --> 1:08:26.479 see in the replies. Yeah, the people who say that 1:08:26.640 --> 1:08:29.160 alt Enps brings them so much hope. It's what's keeping 1:08:29.240 --> 1:08:32.320 them from falling into despair. And it's not that I 1:08:32.400 --> 1:08:34.519 want to take that away from them, it's that I 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:37.679 don't like that their need for that is being used. 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:40.600 Yeah, this is like a predatory mode of trying to 1:08:40.840 --> 1:08:41.680 capitalize on that. 1:08:42.040 --> 1:08:45.400 Absolutely. Yeah, the account is trying to capitalize on people's 1:08:45.479 --> 1:08:48.479 need for hope. You know, they need to believe that 1:08:48.560 --> 1:08:50.760 there is someone fighting for them because in a lot 1:08:50.800 --> 1:08:53.200 of ways, it doesn't feel like anyone is. You know, 1:08:53.320 --> 1:08:58.000 it feels like our politicians are ineffectual, our institutions are crumbling. 1:08:58.400 --> 1:09:02.640 We need someone be there. We need ironically, we need 1:09:02.760 --> 1:09:05.759 patriots to be in control. Yeah, we need to trust 1:09:05.800 --> 1:09:08.200 the plant. There is an appeal to that, and I 1:09:08.320 --> 1:09:11.479 do understand that. I understand that these people are looking 1:09:11.560 --> 1:09:13.639 for a light in the darkness, and I really can't 1:09:13.680 --> 1:09:16.639 pretend that I'm not doing the same thing totally through 1:09:16.880 --> 1:09:19.160 my writing on this. I need something to cling to, 1:09:19.439 --> 1:09:21.599 and I can't blame anybody for feeling that way too. 1:09:22.120 --> 1:09:24.200 I mean, that's why I feel like your project, though, 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:27.080 it comes from a much better and healthier place, because 1:09:27.160 --> 1:09:32.519 you're looking at this like decline in nationwide American sanity 1:09:32.600 --> 1:09:34.320 and trying to do something about it, even if that's 1:09:34.360 --> 1:09:37.080 just a documentation, and then writing about it and trying 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:40.440 to explain to people and like help help people understand 1:09:40.960 --> 1:09:45.400 where the psyche of the country is. And I think 1:09:45.479 --> 1:09:48.839 part of what makes me so interested in your project 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:51.400 is that, like it reminds me a little bit of 1:09:52.040 --> 1:09:54.680 people who started studying QAnon, you know, back in like 1:09:54.800 --> 1:09:56.320 twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. 1:09:56.479 --> 1:09:57.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, back when. 1:09:57.800 --> 1:10:00.960 It's just this little, cute, small thing, and then you 1:10:01.320 --> 1:10:05.080 fast forward years later they realize they've actually done some 1:10:05.400 --> 1:10:10.360 extremely important like work documenting a phenomenon that is shaping 1:10:10.439 --> 1:10:11.839 the trajectory of our country. 1:10:12.320 --> 1:10:13.840 And I don't know if. 1:10:13.840 --> 1:10:16.920 Alt National Park Service is going to evolve in the 1:10:17.040 --> 1:10:24.320 same way. But I think the slow embrace of this 1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:29.720 sort of conspiratoral thinking among decently sized like chunks of 1:10:30.080 --> 1:10:33.840 the democratic base, I think is very notable and work. 1:10:33.920 --> 1:10:36.439 Like what you're doing, I think actually has a really 1:10:36.520 --> 1:10:40.160 important place in trying to like map where our country 1:10:40.280 --> 1:10:43.639 might might be headed. And yeah, in a few years 1:10:43.760 --> 1:10:47.320 it might somehow it might turn out to be super 1:10:47.400 --> 1:10:49.760 important when the Libs finally do their own JA six. 1:10:50.000 --> 1:10:55.040 So yeah, I mean, I to be honest, I would 1:10:55.080 --> 1:10:58.320 be very happy if this whole thing petered out. 1:10:58.800 --> 1:11:00.920 Sure, you know, I would be very happy if. 1:11:00.800 --> 1:11:03.960 One day the account just stops posting and there is 1:11:04.160 --> 1:11:07.160 no years long continuation with this like there was was 1:11:07.240 --> 1:11:08.840 something like you or not, you know. But I do 1:11:08.920 --> 1:11:13.040 think Altenps is a part of a broader ecosystem of 1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:16.840 this blue and on world. And you know, I do 1:11:16.960 --> 1:11:19.000 agree with what you said earlier that bluanon is a 1:11:19.040 --> 1:11:21.960 phrase that I think does get overused, that there are 1:11:22.040 --> 1:11:26.360 some things that are just normal people, you know, expressing 1:11:26.400 --> 1:11:28.640 their political opinions that kind of gets derided as oh, 1:11:28.720 --> 1:11:31.639 blue and not, but it really is just people being 1:11:31.720 --> 1:11:35.400 normal or people being extremely online. But Altenps is a 1:11:35.479 --> 1:11:38.920 part of a bigger world of this sort of vaguely 1:11:39.000 --> 1:11:42.720 left wing conspiracism. You know, I'm seeing a lot of 1:11:42.760 --> 1:11:45.960 crossover between people who post in reply to al t 1:11:46.040 --> 1:11:49.240 enps and people who have this sort of mantra about 1:11:49.280 --> 1:11:52.120 Trump that he wasn't shot, he didn't win, he's on 1:11:52.200 --> 1:11:55.479 the list. And you see that exact phrase, you know, 1:11:55.920 --> 1:11:57.400 post it over and over. 1:11:57.280 --> 1:11:57.920 And over again. 1:11:58.000 --> 1:12:00.439 It's in pictures, it's in memes, it's in people's posts. 1:12:01.080 --> 1:12:02.800 And I think all t NPS is a part of that. 1:12:02.920 --> 1:12:05.840 I think they're emblematic of that. Yeah, that you are 1:12:05.920 --> 1:12:08.000 not immune to conspiratorial think. 1:12:08.320 --> 1:12:12.080 We are not better than that now, and they're facilitating 1:12:12.240 --> 1:12:15.400 I think that mindset. I think liberals became so susceptible 1:12:15.439 --> 1:12:18.880 to it because they had this conception that they're immune 1:12:18.920 --> 1:12:21.240 to it, that conspiracy thinking is something that only exists 1:12:21.280 --> 1:12:22.000 on the political right. 1:12:22.160 --> 1:12:24.599 Yes, that's for other people, And this is part. 1:12:24.479 --> 1:12:26.080 Of what I'm going to write about it, like in general, 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:30.599 but like the way that consensus reality was like sheared 1:12:30.760 --> 1:12:33.640 down so heavily during the first Rump administration and like 1:12:33.960 --> 1:12:36.320 parts of the Body administration by people on the right 1:12:36.560 --> 1:12:39.639 that like weakened this notion we have of Consettu's reality 1:12:40.120 --> 1:12:43.839 that then liberals kind of got blindsided by when events 1:12:44.000 --> 1:12:47.519 happened that were hard to understand or felt so surreal 1:12:47.640 --> 1:12:50.840 or like bombastic, that it allowed a split that was 1:12:50.880 --> 1:12:54.679 already there to grow into a pretty wide opening where 1:12:54.720 --> 1:12:58.919 you now believe that major historical events are fake and staged, 1:12:59.280 --> 1:13:01.919 that an election is stolen. 1:13:02.280 --> 1:13:04.920 And you're like, what, what does this remind you of? 1:13:05.080 --> 1:13:05.120 Like? 1:13:05.240 --> 1:13:05.280 What? 1:13:05.760 --> 1:13:07.960 Yes, one of the things you're saying remind you of. 1:13:08.160 --> 1:13:11.200 Isn't this part of why you're against the Trump movement 1:13:11.280 --> 1:13:12.160 in the first place. 1:13:12.400 --> 1:13:15.840 Yeah, And I think God help you if you ever 1:13:16.040 --> 1:13:18.960 try and point that out. Yeah, you know, to a 1:13:19.040 --> 1:13:21.479 lot of the people in these replies, it's just like, hey, guys, 1:13:21.520 --> 1:13:23.320 doesn't a lot of this smell a lot like you 1:13:23.479 --> 1:13:26.080 or not? You know, doesn't this sound a lot like 1:13:26.560 --> 1:13:29.160 the way people talked about the twenty twenty election? You know, 1:13:29.280 --> 1:13:32.559 doesn't this smell the same way? And that is when 1:13:32.960 --> 1:13:36.919 people in especially in al t NPS's replies, will go nuclear, 1:13:37.240 --> 1:13:40.680 you know. There, I've seen some incredible dog piles in 1:13:40.760 --> 1:13:43.479 response to people bringing this up, even if it's if 1:13:43.520 --> 1:13:45.920 it's anodyne, you know, even if it is just hey guys, 1:13:46.000 --> 1:13:47.519 just a reminder, I think this is something that we 1:13:47.520 --> 1:13:49.320 should you know, maybe I'll take with a grain of salt. 1:13:49.600 --> 1:13:52.759 People go nuts, you know. They they need to believe 1:13:53.360 --> 1:13:56.600 it needs to be real and it needs to be unquestioned, 1:13:56.800 --> 1:13:59.280 and that there can be no good faith questioning of 1:13:59.439 --> 1:13:59.920 this idea. 1:14:00.479 --> 1:14:04.000 Do you know what else is an unquestioned truth that 1:14:04.240 --> 1:14:06.280 we have to go on one more ad break before 1:14:06.320 --> 1:14:09.639 we return to conclude our discussion on the Alt National 1:14:09.760 --> 1:14:23.360 Park Service. It's easy to see how they reached just 1:14:23.479 --> 1:14:26.880 a certain like ceiling on how much they can just 1:14:27.040 --> 1:14:30.280 numbers post and have that be a reliable method of 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:32.800 engagement that they've started to like experiment with with with 1:14:32.880 --> 1:14:35.000 different types of posting to see what makes people stick, 1:14:35.080 --> 1:14:37.760 who can help with engagement over a long period of 1:14:37.800 --> 1:14:40.960 time instead of just like rocketing to like virality first 1:14:41.320 --> 1:14:45.160 but then having a stable audience. And now they're basically 1:14:45.200 --> 1:14:49.600 a news aggregator account but deceptively framing where they are 1:14:49.680 --> 1:14:51.160 getting their their news from. 1:14:51.520 --> 1:14:55.560 Yeah, they are a news aggregator account with massive caveats. 1:14:55.880 --> 1:14:58.560 Yeah, yes, well, I mean I think most news aggregator 1:14:58.560 --> 1:15:01.760 accounts are actually bad. Yeah, I'd agree this is something 1:15:01.840 --> 1:15:05.280 we saw in twenty twenty was how unreliable news aggregator 1:15:05.320 --> 1:15:08.000 accounts were and how much of a harm that they caused. 1:15:08.680 --> 1:15:12.200 And I see the current version of all National Park 1:15:12.240 --> 1:15:14.640 Service as kind of an extension of that taken to 1:15:14.760 --> 1:15:16.719 a slightly higher level. 1:15:16.760 --> 1:15:18.160 I suppose I'm. 1:15:17.960 --> 1:15:20.479 Obsessed with this, you know, I've said that a few times, 1:15:20.520 --> 1:15:23.000 but I've documented what I think is most of the 1:15:23.080 --> 1:15:26.480 time that they have posted a news article without attribution 1:15:27.040 --> 1:15:30.320 and either just described something where they could have or 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:32.760 should have posted a link to an actual article, or 1:15:33.560 --> 1:15:37.080 more often just copy pasting sections of an article and 1:15:37.280 --> 1:15:39.280 reposting it as though they wrote it. You know, those 1:15:39.320 --> 1:15:40.960 are the ones that really get me. Those are the 1:15:41.800 --> 1:15:45.600 aspects of their news aggregation where you say this is 1:15:45.840 --> 1:15:49.879 just plagiarism. You know, this is just you stealing verbatim 1:15:49.920 --> 1:15:52.439 from an article and acting as though you wrote it 1:15:52.600 --> 1:15:55.040 because you want your audience to think that you are 1:15:55.120 --> 1:15:58.280 a government insider with all this inside information, and that 1:15:58.400 --> 1:16:01.040 information like that is coming first to you, not to 1:16:01.120 --> 1:16:03.160 the New York Times, not to CNN. 1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:06.439 Even though you're just posting sections of the New York 1:16:06.520 --> 1:16:07.360 Times and CNN. 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:11.120 Yeah, I mean, they took the first, I think three 1:16:11.200 --> 1:16:14.240 paragraphs of an article from Wired, and did it word 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:17.040 for word, didn't link to Wired, didn't say where it 1:16:17.120 --> 1:16:20.160 came from, and implied that the information was being sent 1:16:20.439 --> 1:16:23.519 to the rangers of the all National Park Service instead 1:16:23.560 --> 1:16:27.040 of two journalists at Wired. This happens constantly, you know, 1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:29.200 and every time I think, well, they've been posting more 1:16:29.240 --> 1:16:32.960 link slately, they've been linking directly to actual sources of information. 1:16:33.320 --> 1:16:35.400 Every time I start thinking that, they do it again. 1:16:35.640 --> 1:16:38.280 You know, they steal another thing again, or they've started 1:16:38.320 --> 1:16:43.800 posting to court watcher or directly to government documents in 1:16:44.040 --> 1:16:47.360 what I'm thinking as an attempt to dodge accusations like 1:16:47.400 --> 1:16:49.920 the one I make. Somebody in my comments described it 1:16:49.960 --> 1:16:54.559 as the don't cite Wikipedia, cite Wikipedia's reference page problem. 1:16:54.840 --> 1:16:58.559 They're reading an article from NPR, and rather than just saying, hey, 1:16:58.640 --> 1:17:02.200 we've heard this in NPR, they're going to NPR's citation 1:17:02.520 --> 1:17:05.120 of the Department of Justice and linking directly to that 1:17:05.200 --> 1:17:09.439 instead to make it look like they're diligently watching government 1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:12.679 court records and posting them for our benefit the moment 1:17:12.720 --> 1:17:15.120 they come out, instead of just we saw this in 1:17:15.520 --> 1:17:16.280 the Washington. 1:17:16.040 --> 1:17:18.800 Post and they've been engaging this for like a few 1:17:18.880 --> 1:17:20.439 months now with this sort of behavior. 1:17:20.680 --> 1:17:23.679 Oh yeah, they've been doing that since January February. Yeah, 1:17:24.000 --> 1:17:26.240 they've also started claiming for a while, and then they 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:29.760 stopped that. One of their sources they would list at 1:17:29.800 --> 1:17:33.640 the end of their posts was an unnamed official in 1:17:33.800 --> 1:17:37.400 whatever relevant government agency they were talking about. Our services 1:17:37.439 --> 1:17:41.640 include this newspaper, this website, and an unnamed Department of 1:17:41.840 --> 1:17:45.479 Justice official, an unnamed Department of Education official. They suddenly 1:17:45.520 --> 1:17:47.240 stopped doing that as soon as they started. There was 1:17:47.240 --> 1:17:49.519 about a week or two where that was behind about 1:17:49.560 --> 1:17:50.000 every post. 1:17:50.520 --> 1:17:53.680 Anything else you want to add about either the existence 1:17:53.720 --> 1:17:56.960 of these alt accounts or like any other aspect of 1:17:57.040 --> 1:17:59.160 this world you want to mention before we before we 1:17:59.280 --> 1:17:59.720 close up. 1:18:00.120 --> 1:18:02.040 Yeah, I do have two quick ones, and the first 1:18:02.160 --> 1:18:06.040 is that among the alt accounts that you see online, 1:18:06.320 --> 1:18:10.400 the Alt National Park Service is overwhelmingly the most malicious 1:18:10.760 --> 1:18:12.680 and the most harmful. You know, there are may be 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:15.720 a couple others that get a little wild, that are 1:18:15.760 --> 1:18:19.960 maybe a little conspiratorial. I think Alt Noah has been 1:18:20.400 --> 1:18:22.760 kind of in the spotlight for that lately, but a 1:18:22.840 --> 1:18:27.120 lot of them, like Alt CDC, the Alt Forest Service. 1:18:27.680 --> 1:18:31.759 All these random little alt government agency accounts are pretty harmless, 1:18:32.160 --> 1:18:34.840 you know. They really are just posting links to news 1:18:34.960 --> 1:18:40.839 articles or given updates on their relevant agency. 1:18:41.360 --> 1:18:41.599 ALT. 1:18:41.640 --> 1:18:44.879 Forest Service mostly talks about the Forest Service. ALT CDC 1:18:45.240 --> 1:18:49.360 mostly talks about the CDC. ALT NPS basically never talks 1:18:49.400 --> 1:18:52.639 about the National Park Service. I think I can cut 1:18:52.680 --> 1:18:55.080 on one hand the times that they have said anything 1:18:55.439 --> 1:18:57.880 about the parks. There was a point when I think 1:18:57.920 --> 1:19:00.720 it was in the big beautiful budget bill where there 1:19:00.800 --> 1:19:03.920 were these massive cuts being proposed to the National Park Service, 1:19:04.120 --> 1:19:06.360 and they talked about the bill as a whole and 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:09.360 didn't mention anything about the cuts of the Park Service. 1:19:09.760 --> 1:19:13.400 Well, you never know who's watching the communication channels. 1:19:13.479 --> 1:19:15.880 You got to be careful. There's cell site simulators out there. 1:19:16.439 --> 1:19:19.360 There's cell site simulators out there. And then the second 1:19:19.439 --> 1:19:23.120 thing is that I'm always very careful in my writing 1:19:23.240 --> 1:19:26.280 and in my posts to emphasize that the people who 1:19:26.400 --> 1:19:29.560 followed this account are not the problem the account itself is. 1:19:30.000 --> 1:19:31.519 You know, I always want to make sure to have 1:19:31.560 --> 1:19:34.360 a lot of empathy for people who follow this account, 1:19:34.360 --> 1:19:37.800 because I understand why they did, I understand the hope 1:19:37.840 --> 1:19:40.800 they're looking for, and I never want to do what 1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:44.439 I see some people do in the replies to Altenps's posts, 1:19:45.000 --> 1:19:48.120 which is dunking on their followers. You know, how do 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:51.000 you rubes believe this? Do you idiots still think this 1:19:51.160 --> 1:19:53.479 is real? I never want to do that because that 1:19:53.960 --> 1:19:56.479 doesn't help anyone. What that does is make them dig in, 1:19:56.720 --> 1:19:58.800 It makes them double down. So I always want to 1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:02.599 make sure to treat the followers of these accounts with respect, 1:20:03.040 --> 1:20:05.360 you know, treat them with empathy, talk to them like 1:20:05.439 --> 1:20:08.720 a person. Yeah, And that's how I've managed to get 1:20:08.760 --> 1:20:11.320 a few people to get out. I've managed to have 1:20:11.920 --> 1:20:14.720 people tell me that it was through my writing and 1:20:14.840 --> 1:20:17.840 other people's work on this topic that they were able 1:20:17.880 --> 1:20:21.559 to get out, they were able to disengage from this. 1:20:21.720 --> 1:20:24.639 World of fake spies and code numbers. And I think 1:20:25.080 --> 1:20:25.679 that matters. 1:20:25.880 --> 1:20:28.680 I think that that helps with every little bit we do, 1:20:29.080 --> 1:20:31.320 and it starts by just being nice to people, just 1:20:31.439 --> 1:20:34.320 being kind to people who are looking for hope in 1:20:34.840 --> 1:20:35.560 the world we live in. 1:20:36.240 --> 1:20:38.599 Where can people find your work both on social media 1:20:38.680 --> 1:20:40.439 and then also you're writing. 1:20:40.840 --> 1:20:43.360 You can find me on blue Sky at altwatcher dot 1:20:43.479 --> 1:20:47.320 bsky dot social and I am unfortunately still on substack 1:20:47.600 --> 1:20:51.320 at my name, it's Jajoyce Lynch dot substack dot com. 1:20:51.439 --> 1:20:54.640 And also look for dispatches from the Online Void is 1:20:54.720 --> 1:20:55.400 the name of the blog. 1:20:55.920 --> 1:20:59.840 There should absolutely be more people reading your Dispatches from 1:20:59.880 --> 1:21:04.400 the Online Void, some very very solid work just straightly 1:21:04.520 --> 1:21:08.120 documenting the phenomenon that we've been talking about this episode 1:21:08.200 --> 1:21:10.519 and specifically the old National Park Service. 1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:11.720 Well, I really appreciate it. 1:21:12.040 --> 1:21:17.160 Yeah, it's fantastic, very like, non editorialized, just showing you 1:21:17.280 --> 1:21:19.320 what's happening, extremely well put together. 1:21:19.439 --> 1:21:22.760 Well, thanks, thanks, and nice for you to say thanks. 1:21:22.520 --> 1:21:25.840 Again to Jack for talking with me about alt National 1:21:25.880 --> 1:21:30.759 Park Service. I strongly recommend people seek out his research, 1:21:30.880 --> 1:21:34.240 both on Dispatches from the Online Void and Blue Sky. 1:21:35.600 --> 1:21:38.000 Before I close this episode, I want to remind everybody 1:21:38.080 --> 1:21:44.080 that you two are not immune to propaganda. This past weekend, 1:21:44.200 --> 1:21:47.920 the internet has been a buzz with rumors and speculation 1:21:48.439 --> 1:21:52.800 that Trump died over the weekend or was actively dying, 1:21:52.960 --> 1:21:55.560 and there's been attempts to cover it up, when in 1:21:55.640 --> 1:21:59.440 fact he just went on a brief Labor Day weekend holiday. 1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:03.200 People were sharing ai altered images to make Trump look 1:22:03.280 --> 1:22:07.200 more sickly and were speculating about road closures around Walter 1:22:07.360 --> 1:22:11.400 Reed Medical Center, sharing a map with roads blocked off, 1:22:12.439 --> 1:22:15.960 but in fact there were no irregular road closures, and 1:22:16.080 --> 1:22:20.479 this map of supposed closures that was spreading online just 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:26.080 showed old security gates. People concocted elaborate theories that Putin 1:22:26.400 --> 1:22:30.160 poisoned Trump during their last meeting, and that when the 1:22:30.280 --> 1:22:33.320 quote unquote President was supposed to give an announcement on 1:22:33.439 --> 1:22:37.559 Tuesday afternoon, it would be Trump resigning for health reasons, 1:22:37.840 --> 1:22:40.640 or Vance would come out and announced Trump died and 1:22:40.920 --> 1:22:44.839 he is now the president. And sure enough, come Tuesday afternoon, 1:22:45.400 --> 1:22:49.240 Trump appeared perfectly normal for a press conference. Even in 1:22:49.320 --> 1:22:50.840 the lead up to the press conference, I saw people 1:22:50.920 --> 1:22:54.839 continuing these conspiracy theories with sometimes a tat of irony. 1:22:55.080 --> 1:22:57.640 But as the press conference got delayed an hour, there 1:22:57.760 --> 1:23:02.760 was more and more speculation about Trump's declining health and yeah, 1:23:02.880 --> 1:23:05.680 he is an old man, but he's not going to 1:23:05.960 --> 1:23:07.400 drop dead this weekend. 1:23:07.600 --> 1:23:08.960 This isn't true. 1:23:09.080 --> 1:23:12.519 This is a copium strategy, and the way people have 1:23:12.720 --> 1:23:16.880 been talking about it is very similar to the liberal 1:23:16.960 --> 1:23:20.400 conspiracy theories that I've been reading about these past few weeks. 1:23:21.360 --> 1:23:23.639 And as fun as it can be, to speculate about 1:23:23.680 --> 1:23:26.840 a president's health, as many people did last time we 1:23:26.960 --> 1:23:28.439 had a geriatric president? 1:23:28.600 --> 1:23:29.120 When was that? 1:23:29.280 --> 1:23:32.240 Oh last year? But as much fun as it is, 1:23:32.640 --> 1:23:37.920 things can quickly spiral out of your conspiratorial control, even 1:23:37.960 --> 1:23:41.720 when your percipasion is from the safety of ironic detachment. 1:23:42.560 --> 1:23:45.040 I'll talk a little bit more about Trump's imminent death 1:23:45.240 --> 1:23:49.439 theories on this week's episode of Executive Disorder, but until then, 1:23:50.040 --> 1:23:53.200 just remember you are not immune to propaganda. 1:24:10.840 --> 1:24:14.680 Welcome to it could happen here a podcast where by 1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:18.800 my longtime home city of Chicago is preparing for a 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:22.840 federal occupation. I am your host, Mia Wong, and with 1:24:23.040 --> 1:24:25.439 me to talk about what the fuck is going on 1:24:25.800 --> 1:24:28.320 about a thing that, at the end of last year, 1:24:28.520 --> 1:24:30.400 as bad as we thought this was going to be, 1:24:30.760 --> 1:24:34.439 was basically unimaginable. With you talked about. This is Raven, 1:24:34.479 --> 1:24:37.719 who's a journalist from the independent outlet Unraveled in Chicago, 1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:39.960 which does a lot of really really excellent work on 1:24:40.040 --> 1:24:42.240 the ground reporting on social movements in the city. You're 1:24:42.280 --> 1:24:45.639 putting on the government does a bunch of incredible works 1:24:45.640 --> 1:24:48.920 and some really good stuff on shot Spotter. Yeah, Raven, 1:24:48.960 --> 1:24:49.679 welcome to the show. 1:24:50.000 --> 1:24:52.400 Yeah, thank you for such a beautiful intro. 1:24:52.840 --> 1:24:54.800 Yeah, thanks, thanks for doing this. I don't know, like 1:24:54.840 --> 1:24:57.439 I'm a really big fan of Unraveled. I think most 1:24:57.520 --> 1:25:01.960 of the newspapers in Chicago it's just like just weird 1:25:02.080 --> 1:25:06.160 right wing rags, and getting actual good news out if 1:25:06.240 --> 1:25:11.800 the city is kind of difficult because it's like, yeah, 1:25:12.160 --> 1:25:14.360 we we have a good number. 1:25:14.360 --> 1:25:17.800 Now, like digital indie outlets in the city, but once 1:25:17.840 --> 1:25:20.640 you get outside of Cook County, especially, you know, the 1:25:20.720 --> 1:25:23.559 Chicago metro area is huge and like, yeah. 1:25:23.520 --> 1:25:26.559 It's all like pink slime garbage, like everything's been brought out. 1:25:26.680 --> 1:25:29.439 They don't have like real reporters anymore, so it can 1:25:29.520 --> 1:25:32.800 be a huge challenge to cover things like just in 1:25:32.880 --> 1:25:36.960 the collar counties, which is coincidentally also where a lot 1:25:37.000 --> 1:25:40.599 of this ice activity might be happening in the next yep, 1:25:41.080 --> 1:25:43.160 forty five days, thirty days, however. 1:25:42.960 --> 1:25:43.519 Long it lasts. 1:25:43.880 --> 1:25:47.120 Yeah, so let's I guess from the jump before we 1:25:47.240 --> 1:25:49.600 get into sort of the kind of long arc of 1:25:50.240 --> 1:25:55.080 ice and the FEDS in in Chicago for the last year, 1:25:55.400 --> 1:25:58.759 let's talk about Trump's thing to send in the National 1:25:58.840 --> 1:26:00.599 Guard and so off the pep in the city. I'm 1:26:00.600 --> 1:26:01.360 really concerned about. 1:26:01.800 --> 1:26:05.920 Yeah, well, you know, there's kind of two things happening simultaneously. 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:06.400 Right. 1:26:06.640 --> 1:26:09.840 Trump is threatening the National Guard, which has been a 1:26:09.920 --> 1:26:12.200 thing like threatening the National Guard in Chicago has been 1:26:12.240 --> 1:26:14.040 a thing with him for like a while, and it 1:26:14.120 --> 1:26:16.640 can be very difficult to tease out like what what 1:26:16.800 --> 1:26:18.639 level of it is propaganda. 1:26:18.080 --> 1:26:20.000 And what level of it is like really happening. 1:26:20.120 --> 1:26:23.640 Right. But the other more important part here is we 1:26:23.800 --> 1:26:27.880 do know now like conclusively that DHS is planning a 1:26:28.000 --> 1:26:31.720 large operation in like Los Angeles style. So everything that's 1:26:31.760 --> 1:26:34.760 been happening around Lay for the last few months is 1:26:34.920 --> 1:26:37.679 moving into Chicago. This is what the chief of Border 1:26:37.760 --> 1:26:40.040 Patrol has said. You know, he just put out like 1:26:40.120 --> 1:26:43.880 a social media video that was saying they're trading palm 1:26:43.920 --> 1:26:46.960 trees for skyscrapers and bringing a few hundred guys with 1:26:47.160 --> 1:26:49.960 DHS ice border patrol to Chicago. 1:26:50.720 --> 1:26:52.599 So it's pretty wild. 1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:56.839 I don't think I've ever seen border patrol in numbers 1:26:56.880 --> 1:26:59.080 on the ground here in the Great Lakes. 1:26:59.120 --> 1:27:00.479 We've always known it's like this thing. 1:27:00.439 --> 1:27:04.719 That cooking seembly happen because we're technically like a border city. 1:27:05.920 --> 1:27:08.320 But you know, to be staring at in the face 1:27:08.400 --> 1:27:10.639 now like it's real, like it's actually happening. 1:27:10.720 --> 1:27:15.320 It's obviously feels like a real emergency for our communities. 1:27:16.120 --> 1:27:19.200 Yeah, And I think that's the interesting thing like talking 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:21.000 to you and then talking to other people on the ground, 1:27:21.120 --> 1:27:25.320 is that like the National Guard deployment is what's getting 1:27:25.520 --> 1:27:29.000 all of the press, right, and people really aren't that 1:27:29.240 --> 1:27:32.200 worried about it. It's worth pointing out. So we're recording 1:27:32.280 --> 1:27:37.639 this on the morning of like Wednesday, September third, yea, 1:27:37.960 --> 1:27:41.800 So it's possible that stuff has changed by the time 1:27:41.920 --> 1:27:45.400 this episode goes out like tonight, because the situation is 1:27:45.400 --> 1:27:49.240 shifting really rapidly, right, But you know that there's this 1:27:49.320 --> 1:27:51.519 whole fight over whether the Texas National Guard is being 1:27:51.560 --> 1:27:55.120 deployed here on a federal deployment. But people don't really 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:56.760 seem to be worried about the National Guard, and I 1:27:56.840 --> 1:27:59.080 think kind of for good reason. They didn't really. I mean, 1:27:59.120 --> 1:28:02.120 they did some stuff, I guess, but like they mostly 1:28:02.240 --> 1:28:04.639 kind of are there to make it look like there's 1:28:04.640 --> 1:28:08.960 troops in the street, right, while Ice in DHS does 1:28:09.080 --> 1:28:11.519 like the most horrific shit, right. 1:28:11.720 --> 1:28:14.920 That's been sort of the the understanding of what's happened 1:28:14.920 --> 1:28:18.519 in Los Angeles and then in DC it's gone a 1:28:18.560 --> 1:28:22.200 little bit differently just because they have so many FEDS already, 1:28:22.520 --> 1:28:25.120 so they've been able to do a lot of traffic 1:28:25.200 --> 1:28:28.840 stops in these little FED tactical teams. So you'll have 1:28:29.040 --> 1:28:32.200 like some FBI guys, some DA guys, maybe like an 1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:35.280 HSI guy I just read and woppole the other day, 1:28:35.280 --> 1:28:38.040 they've crashed like six cars in DC. 1:28:38.320 --> 1:28:41.240 I mean, like it's really dangerous that kinds of stops. 1:28:41.280 --> 1:28:43.840 These guys are executing their jumpouts, right, It's not like 1:28:43.960 --> 1:28:46.920 opficer friends and like pulling you over a license and 1:28:47.000 --> 1:28:47.960 registration please. 1:28:48.040 --> 1:28:50.800 You know, it's like really violent and they're in on 1:28:50.960 --> 1:28:53.200 mark cars and they're like trying to suffice people. 1:28:53.760 --> 1:28:56.720 So that is you know, also what we're expecting to 1:28:56.800 --> 1:29:03.400 see alongside like the ice ups is these FED teams 1:29:03.560 --> 1:29:04.559 crawling through the city. 1:29:04.760 --> 1:29:06.920 You know, I don't know when they're going to be 1:29:07.000 --> 1:29:08.479 doing what where, but like. 1:29:08.560 --> 1:29:11.519 I said, the Chicago Land area, you know, the suburb 1:29:11.600 --> 1:29:14.320 everything around, it's very big. Yeah, you know, there's every 1:29:14.360 --> 1:29:17.479 indication this isn't going to be centralized just to like 1:29:17.600 --> 1:29:18.439 Downhoume chicag. 1:29:19.040 --> 1:29:21.280 Yeah, And like I think there's something that's kind of 1:29:21.320 --> 1:29:23.840 hard to understand if you're not from Chicago, but like 1:29:24.680 --> 1:29:28.600 even just the city proper is massive. Yeah, right, Like 1:29:28.680 --> 1:29:30.040 it takes like I mean, I haven't driven it in 1:29:30.080 --> 1:29:31.400 a long time, but like I think, I think if 1:29:31.400 --> 1:29:32.960 you're trying to go from like the top of like 1:29:33.040 --> 1:29:34.880 the North Side to like the bottom of the South Side, 1:29:34.920 --> 1:29:38.120 that's like hour and a half two hour drive, right, 1:29:38.360 --> 1:29:40.000 It's massive, right, And this. 1:29:40.600 --> 1:29:44.559 Naval station where they're basing operations isn't even in the city. 1:29:44.600 --> 1:29:47.760 It's two hours north than in in County. Yeah, so 1:29:48.439 --> 1:29:50.280 there are a lot of questions right now. I don't 1:29:50.280 --> 1:29:52.839 have the answers. Nobody's going to know until it starts, 1:29:52.920 --> 1:29:54.439 but you know, there are a lot of questions now 1:29:54.680 --> 1:29:57.080 just kind of like how far into the city are 1:29:57.120 --> 1:30:01.640 there even going to go? You know, it's obviously, you 1:30:01.720 --> 1:30:03.599 know what we've seen out in Los Angeles with these 1:30:03.640 --> 1:30:07.080 like larger like workplace raids like car washes and home 1:30:07.120 --> 1:30:11.400 depot and stuff. It's really difficult to imagine them executing 1:30:11.520 --> 1:30:13.320 something like that in the city. I'm not going to 1:30:13.360 --> 1:30:16.479 say they couldn't try, but they would obviously need a 1:30:16.520 --> 1:30:19.280 lot of backup from border patrol. Yeah, to try something 1:30:19.400 --> 1:30:21.560 like that even in the suburbs, which is what we 1:30:21.640 --> 1:30:22.200 saw in La. 1:30:22.280 --> 1:30:22.960 You know, that's who. 1:30:22.880 --> 1:30:25.120 Showed up those first few days when they were like 1:30:25.200 --> 1:30:27.439 tear gassing the fuck out of everybody, and it was 1:30:27.600 --> 1:30:28.679 just like crazy. 1:30:28.800 --> 1:30:32.840 You know, that was border patrol. So what our eyes 1:30:32.880 --> 1:30:33.960 are on is something like that. 1:30:34.120 --> 1:30:37.240 And to your point about the National Guard and the press, 1:30:37.320 --> 1:30:40.600 you know, it's part of the issue is like the politicians, 1:30:40.720 --> 1:30:43.719 the electeds, like they can't say no to the fence, 1:30:43.760 --> 1:30:46.160 they can't say no to ice, like Ice is coming, 1:30:46.560 --> 1:30:48.479 DHS is coming, no matter. 1:30:48.320 --> 1:30:48.720 What they do. 1:30:49.360 --> 1:30:50.920 The Guard is a little more of like. 1:30:50.920 --> 1:30:54.000 A political football for them, and and Pritsker can can 1:30:54.080 --> 1:30:56.400 push back, and there's like you know, the arguments about 1:30:56.439 --> 1:31:00.360 sending one states troops into another, and so there's more 1:31:00.479 --> 1:31:02.880 legal option, you know, all this stuff, right, But the 1:31:03.400 --> 1:31:07.400 FBI already has a field office here, I already has 1:31:07.439 --> 1:31:09.960 field offices here. You know, Like there's there's just I 1:31:10.040 --> 1:31:13.800 think also just a disconnect there because of like the 1:31:13.880 --> 1:31:16.799 way the news reporting works is like, well, we're reporting 1:31:16.880 --> 1:31:19.960 on what the public officials are saying. Governor Pritsker did 1:31:20.040 --> 1:31:24.960 say pretty clearly actually like well, DHS is coming, you know, 1:31:25.080 --> 1:31:27.559 ICE is going to do these operations and we don't 1:31:27.560 --> 1:31:29.240 improve it, but we can't stop it. 1:31:30.160 --> 1:31:32.560 Yeah, And I think before we get more into that, 1:31:32.640 --> 1:31:35.360 I want to pivot to talk about what the presence 1:31:35.760 --> 1:31:39.960 of ICE has been in Chicago already, and I want 1:31:40.000 --> 1:31:45.080 to kind of like roll the clock back to right before, 1:31:45.680 --> 1:31:47.519 kind of like I think, like the literally the weekend 1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:51.360 before the big confrontations in LA started, there was a 1:31:51.400 --> 1:31:54.080 pretty big raid at a check in and a bunch 1:31:54.080 --> 1:31:55.600 of stuff happened with that. I was wondering if you 1:31:55.640 --> 1:31:56.680 could talk about that a bit. 1:31:57.240 --> 1:31:59.479 Yeah, it was around the time when things popped off, 1:31:59.520 --> 1:32:02.639 and earlier I don't remembers precisely, but around then. 1:32:02.600 --> 1:32:04.439 Yeah, yeah, I think it was like right before. 1:32:04.760 --> 1:32:07.240 Yeah. You know, they have these stuck in sights where 1:32:07.280 --> 1:32:09.400 people have to go and some of them are on 1:32:09.640 --> 1:32:12.479 like electronic monitoring and some no, and they check in 1:32:12.560 --> 1:32:14.920 with ICE, and so it was like an ambush, right 1:32:15.120 --> 1:32:17.680 Like people showed up and then they were like, oh, 1:32:17.720 --> 1:32:19.560 we're actually like kidnapping you. 1:32:19.840 --> 1:32:23.800 Yeah, and it was very very ugly of course, you know, 1:32:24.040 --> 1:32:27.839 like agents ripping people away from their families and friends. 1:32:27.920 --> 1:32:30.559 And we had some local electeds like trying to get 1:32:30.600 --> 1:32:33.720 in the way of the van, and Chicago police of 1:32:33.880 --> 1:32:37.439 course showed up, and then there was this whole back 1:32:37.479 --> 1:32:40.680 and forth over whether the police really assisted. 1:32:40.320 --> 1:32:42.720 ICE or not. And I mean they were there and 1:32:42.840 --> 1:32:43.719 they did crib control. 1:32:43.800 --> 1:32:45.200 Yeah, they definitely did. 1:32:46.160 --> 1:32:51.000 Like you know, it's it's very interesting what's happening with 1:32:51.080 --> 1:32:53.680 CPD and ICE right now, because like, at the end 1:32:53.680 --> 1:32:56.639 of the day, cops are lazy above all else too write, 1:32:56.760 --> 1:33:00.360 you know, and so there's this kind of tension of like, well, 1:33:00.439 --> 1:33:03.479 we support what ICE is doing, and ideologically, like of 1:33:03.600 --> 1:33:06.280 course the pops are aligned with ICE, but they also 1:33:06.439 --> 1:33:08.439 like don't want to get out of their cars, you know. 1:33:08.640 --> 1:33:11.439 So it's kind of any any excuse they have not 1:33:11.680 --> 1:33:14.840 to do something they will take. So it's not that 1:33:14.920 --> 1:33:16.600 we've seen them assisting with like. 1:33:16.880 --> 1:33:20.639 Enforcement removal operations, but of course if there's a protest, 1:33:20.760 --> 1:33:23.479 they're going to show up and police that. 1:33:24.040 --> 1:33:26.880 And then also, like data sharing is a huge issue there. 1:33:26.880 --> 1:33:29.559 I mean, like with fusion centers and with like block 1:33:29.680 --> 1:33:32.960 license plate data visas and everything, there's just the information 1:33:33.080 --> 1:33:36.880 is so porous between local cops and the Feds that 1:33:37.080 --> 1:33:39.639 it's just kind of absurd on a space to even 1:33:39.720 --> 1:33:41.919 think that they're like not sharing information. 1:33:42.479 --> 1:33:44.760 Some of these cops are on task forces and they 1:33:44.840 --> 1:33:45.599 have like group. 1:33:45.439 --> 1:33:48.880 Chats together, you know, with DA and FBI agents, right, 1:33:49.000 --> 1:33:52.599 so it's all it's all connected, it's all porous. They're 1:33:52.600 --> 1:33:55.120 already working with the Feds, you know, it's just they 1:33:55.160 --> 1:33:59.920 can't visibly be seen assisting with immigration enforcing. 1:34:00.400 --> 1:34:04.479 But yeah, that was a really traumtizing day for community. 1:34:04.640 --> 1:34:08.639 Like an organizer here who was well known was taken 1:34:09.160 --> 1:34:11.719 and she was a grandmother, so she had a family 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:14.000 here too, you know, so it was brutal. And then 1:34:14.080 --> 1:34:16.880 around that time that that was happening, also, I started 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:22.560 escalating rusts at the immigration court downtown, which went on 1:34:23.000 --> 1:34:28.240 for a while and ultimately was stopped by protesters continuing 1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:30.880 to show up and just have a presence there. You know, 1:34:31.000 --> 1:34:34.120 these guys are terrified of being docks terrified. I mean, 1:34:34.160 --> 1:34:36.720 they just they really don't want to be filmed. And 1:34:36.920 --> 1:34:40.920 it's been a very different situation here in our courthouse 1:34:41.000 --> 1:34:43.720 versus New York's because I've seen so much photography out 1:34:43.720 --> 1:34:46.160 of the New York Immigration Court. For whatever reason, they 1:34:46.200 --> 1:34:49.360 allowed photos there, but they don't inside of ours. But 1:34:49.880 --> 1:34:52.240 you know, protesters started showing up there. I mean, we 1:34:52.360 --> 1:34:55.040 had been their documentary what was going on. Slowly people 1:34:55.040 --> 1:34:58.800 started trickling in, showing up and protesting, and eventually people 1:34:58.840 --> 1:35:01.479 started then ta making it to like actually blocking the 1:35:01.560 --> 1:35:05.839 driveway that they were using a private parking garage belonging 1:35:05.880 --> 1:35:07.360 to the building, and so they were. 1:35:07.280 --> 1:35:09.760 Like going underground and then like waiting and then using 1:35:09.800 --> 1:35:11.879 the great elevator. It was like the whole operation. 1:35:12.280 --> 1:35:16.000 Yeah, but ultimately the building put their click on and 1:35:16.120 --> 1:35:17.879 ban them. You know, they got a lot of complaints 1:35:17.960 --> 1:35:21.360 from tenants. People didn't like that the protests were going 1:35:21.439 --> 1:35:24.719 on shore, but people also were like in the building, 1:35:24.800 --> 1:35:27.200 people were ICE using our crad Yeah. 1:35:29.040 --> 1:35:31.680 Yeah, yeah, we used the power of the use of 1:35:31.760 --> 1:35:35.040 against them, deploy every weapon exactly. 1:35:35.040 --> 1:35:37.240 Exactly exactly it was. 1:35:37.360 --> 1:35:40.120 It's kind of like a you know, diversity of tactics 1:35:40.200 --> 1:35:43.280 thing there where it's like the people who owned property 1:35:43.280 --> 1:35:46.080 in this building aren't super aligned with the like people 1:35:46.200 --> 1:35:48.679 trying to block ICE spans. But but at that moment 1:35:48.840 --> 1:35:52.920 they joined yea, and you know, so so that that 1:35:53.160 --> 1:35:55.679 was happening, and like while all of this is happening, 1:35:55.800 --> 1:35:59.920 of course ICE is still doing more dispersed traffic stops 1:36:00.200 --> 1:36:01.639 arresting people at their homes. 1:36:01.880 --> 1:36:03.920 It's been happening. It's happening all. 1:36:03.920 --> 1:36:07.559 Over out in Elgin, out in Waukegan, which is up 1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:10.880 by the Base of operations, you know, where they're setting 1:36:10.960 --> 1:36:13.320 up all of these operations for what's coming this week. 1:36:13.600 --> 1:36:16.639 Waukegan, North Chicago and that area of Lake County. 1:36:16.720 --> 1:36:20.440 There are a ton of imfants and they're not surrounded 1:36:20.520 --> 1:36:25.320 by necessarily like super progressive, super friendly people. 1:36:25.800 --> 1:36:26.479 Some can be. 1:36:26.640 --> 1:36:28.680 I mean the politics in the North Shore, it's very 1:36:28.760 --> 1:36:30.720 like purple like it's weird. It's like you can have 1:36:30.880 --> 1:36:33.519 super progressive people, but then also like it can be 1:36:33.560 --> 1:36:35.920 out in the Boonie somewhere you'll see like Trump science. 1:36:36.120 --> 1:36:39.799 So it's it's not as sympathetic as being in Enoughtown 1:36:39.880 --> 1:36:42.600 Chicago for sure. Yeah, And so there's a lot of 1:36:42.680 --> 1:36:46.559 concern from people up around the base about what's going 1:36:46.640 --> 1:36:50.240 to happen in those communities because there's much less coverage, 1:36:50.280 --> 1:36:51.439 too much less eyes on them. 1:36:51.840 --> 1:36:54.040 Yep. I want to I want to talk more about 1:36:54.320 --> 1:36:57.200 sort of what enforcement has been looking like in outlying 1:36:57.400 --> 1:37:00.599 areas and what it's going to look like. The first 1:37:00.640 --> 1:37:14.200 we need to go to ads and we are back, 1:37:15.160 --> 1:37:17.600 So I want to I kind of I want to 1:37:17.640 --> 1:37:20.920 follow the train that you've been on about the stuff 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:23.840 in the center of the city versus the stuff in 1:37:24.000 --> 1:37:26.760 the outlying areas and across Chicagoland in general, which is 1:37:26.800 --> 1:37:32.800 also just massive, unbelievably large geographic area. It has unbelievably 1:37:32.880 --> 1:37:36.840 large numbers of people, and also the concentrations get way 1:37:36.960 --> 1:37:40.800 smaller really quickly. And I think, I don't know, it 1:37:41.360 --> 1:37:44.920 seems like the resistance inside of the city proper had 1:37:45.200 --> 1:37:47.680 been pretty effective in a lot of ways, just in 1:37:47.760 --> 1:37:51.920 the sense of like shutting down the courthouse raids for 1:37:52.000 --> 1:37:55.840 the most part. But what have things looked like up 1:37:55.920 --> 1:37:59.000 near like Wakegan and like, yeah, in the sort of 1:37:59.040 --> 1:38:02.800 outlying areas in terms of like resistance and in terms 1:38:02.840 --> 1:38:03.800 of cooperation. 1:38:05.000 --> 1:38:07.679 Yeah, I mean I've seen videos out of those places, 1:38:08.240 --> 1:38:11.680 you know, really harrowing scenes like traffic stops where they're 1:38:11.800 --> 1:38:17.640 separating people from their families, showing up at people's homes. 1:38:18.600 --> 1:38:21.680 Usually what's happening is we're not hearing you got it 1:38:21.800 --> 1:38:22.920 until after the facts. 1:38:24.160 --> 1:38:27.719 And in the city there are like good response groups 1:38:27.800 --> 1:38:31.759 going by different neighborhoods. But I think in general, sometimes 1:38:31.800 --> 1:38:35.080 it just doesn't feel very rapid because it's people are 1:38:35.479 --> 1:38:36.919 are vetting, they're verifying. 1:38:36.960 --> 1:38:38.600 There's a lot of false alarms, you know, there's a 1:38:38.600 --> 1:38:40.879 lot going on. So that's what I've. 1:38:40.760 --> 1:38:44.000 Seen that's happened out in the burbs. You know, it's 1:38:44.840 --> 1:38:46.599 kind of, like I said, kind of a black hole 1:38:46.640 --> 1:38:49.560 for news out there too. It's not always easy to 1:38:49.600 --> 1:38:52.120 get information, you know. We also had a case of 1:38:52.240 --> 1:38:53.680 like an ICE agent. 1:38:54.240 --> 1:38:59.920 Detaining a woman with her child at like a well, 1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:00.559 it wasn't. 1:39:00.360 --> 1:39:03.960 An agent, it was a contractor, contractor working for ICE 1:39:04.640 --> 1:39:08.600 detaining an arrest tee out at an hotel. 1:39:08.320 --> 1:39:09.360 By Ohare Airport. 1:39:10.240 --> 1:39:13.280 That's something that that people are concerned about in a 1:39:13.360 --> 1:39:16.880 more general sense too, right now, because we actually literally 1:39:17.120 --> 1:39:19.280 just this morning, we're looking at a letter from the 1:39:19.360 --> 1:39:21.960 mayor of broad View, Illinois, which is where our processing 1:39:22.200 --> 1:39:25.800 center is, outlining how they're going to be operational seven 1:39:25.880 --> 1:39:27.960 days a week for the next forty five days, which 1:39:28.080 --> 1:39:32.200 to me implies like thousands of arrests potentially happening, and 1:39:32.920 --> 1:39:34.840 that facility is not set up. 1:39:34.960 --> 1:39:38.880 It's not a long term detention center. Yeah, overnight detention 1:39:39.040 --> 1:39:39.920 is banned. 1:39:39.600 --> 1:39:42.960 In Illinois, so people have been kept there longer than 1:39:43.040 --> 1:39:44.600 they technically are allowed. 1:39:44.360 --> 1:39:47.799 To even with like without some huge surge happening. 1:39:47.920 --> 1:39:51.120 So it kind of thinking about what's potentially coming and 1:39:51.240 --> 1:39:54.360 then using that center, it kind of follows that, Yeah, 1:39:54.400 --> 1:39:57.240 there could be more contractors keeping people in hotels like 1:39:57.400 --> 1:40:00.400 dispersed around, like there's just not enough space at that 1:40:00.840 --> 1:40:04.439 facility to keep up with that. And so because there 1:40:04.479 --> 1:40:08.759 are also backups in the like ice logistics chain, because 1:40:09.000 --> 1:40:11.840 like people have to be they can't be kept here 1:40:11.920 --> 1:40:13.960 long term, so they have to go to Gary Airport 1:40:14.080 --> 1:40:17.560 to fly out somewhere, or detention center in Indiana or 1:40:17.640 --> 1:40:18.879 Wisconsin or Michigan. 1:40:19.600 --> 1:40:21.439 So I guess there's a couple of things kinds of 1:40:21.479 --> 1:40:23.479 sort of resistant stuff I want to ask about. I remember, 1:40:23.600 --> 1:40:26.559 like got back in like twenty eighteen. I remember there 1:40:26.600 --> 1:40:28.759 was a bunch of efforts to like block deportation flights 1:40:28.760 --> 1:40:32.080 out of the airport. Has up been still going no, 1:40:32.400 --> 1:40:32.760 I mean. 1:40:33.360 --> 1:40:38.160 There was a protest at Gary Airport very early on 1:40:38.640 --> 1:40:42.000 in the year. Actually it was like right after Trump 1:40:42.320 --> 1:40:46.240 was inaugurated. I think I know a photographer who was 1:40:46.320 --> 1:40:48.200 arrested some protesters. 1:40:48.240 --> 1:40:49.360 It was really random. 1:40:49.439 --> 1:40:51.559 It was like towards the end of the protest, Gary 1:40:51.640 --> 1:40:55.160 police just decided to like grab and arrest a few people, 1:40:55.520 --> 1:40:58.000 and since then, I have not heard of any more 1:40:58.080 --> 1:41:03.080 protests or a time or attempts at intervention at Gary Airport. 1:41:03.200 --> 1:41:06.519 I mean, obviously it's not Chicago, it's Gary, so you know, 1:41:06.560 --> 1:41:09.760 there's a smaller community there people would have to travel to. 1:41:10.479 --> 1:41:13.120 I don't know if deportation, if any deportation flights are 1:41:13.240 --> 1:41:14.200 leaving from O'Hare. 1:41:14.520 --> 1:41:17.519 I don't believe so, but don't quote me on that. 1:41:17.640 --> 1:41:18.240 I'm not sure. 1:41:19.000 --> 1:41:21.120 Yeah, And it's still like I feel like O'Hare is 1:41:21.760 --> 1:41:24.280 kind of a soft target for that in the sense of, like, 1:41:24.600 --> 1:41:26.280 I mean, it's annoying to get there, but like there 1:41:26.400 --> 1:41:30.360 is just a rail line that runs it directly into O'Hare, 1:41:30.439 --> 1:41:32.040 and you can flood it with a bunch of people 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:34.840 pretty easily, like what happened to like the beginning of 1:41:35.000 --> 1:41:35.759 Trump one. 1:41:36.120 --> 1:41:38.040 Right, we haven't seen anything like that yet. 1:41:38.360 --> 1:41:38.599 Yeah. 1:41:39.000 --> 1:41:41.960 Yeah, But it's also like I wonder if they're still 1:41:42.000 --> 1:41:44.800 thinking about that in terms of like the flight logistics, 1:41:45.600 --> 1:41:47.960 in terms of like wearing stuff primarily through Gary. 1:41:48.720 --> 1:41:50.599 Oh, I see, yeah, that might be why. 1:41:51.560 --> 1:41:51.800 Yeah. 1:41:52.680 --> 1:41:55.519 The other thing I'm wondering about is like, Okay, so 1:41:55.640 --> 1:41:59.040 I guess it looks like right now with the information 1:41:59.200 --> 1:42:02.120 we have that there planning to run their operations out 1:42:02.120 --> 1:42:06.360 of the military base. But everything that I've seen has 1:42:06.400 --> 1:42:08.320 been talking about like the National Guard operating out of 1:42:08.360 --> 1:42:10.200 that base, but do we know where the FEDS are 1:42:10.640 --> 1:42:11.880 Its supposed to be operating out of. 1:42:12.680 --> 1:42:15.080 The Feds are operating out of the base. The National 1:42:15.120 --> 1:42:19.400 Guard will will potentially operate out of the base if 1:42:19.439 --> 1:42:20.000 they come. 1:42:20.280 --> 1:42:22.240 But we don't have a lot of details on like 1:42:22.360 --> 1:42:23.719 a National Guard deployment. 1:42:23.760 --> 1:42:25.320 And the other thing to keep in mind is like 1:42:25.720 --> 1:42:29.479 the National Guard are all younger people. Typically is a 1:42:29.520 --> 1:42:32.519 lot of young people, and they have like families and things. 1:42:32.560 --> 1:42:35.880 So that kind of information like a deployment right of 1:42:36.040 --> 1:42:40.439 like platoon or several platoons whatever the worst of National Guard. 1:42:40.720 --> 1:42:42.880 It's not gonna stay secret for very long, right like, 1:42:43.200 --> 1:42:44.360 because we would know. 1:42:45.080 --> 1:42:48.599 So I have not seen anything yet as a twelve 1:42:48.920 --> 1:42:54.200 thirty noon on Wednesday indicating that the National Guard specifically 1:42:54.360 --> 1:42:55.800 has rolled into that base. 1:42:56.240 --> 1:42:58.720 That could change at any point, you know, I don't 1:42:58.760 --> 1:42:59.240 know what's. 1:42:59.040 --> 1:43:01.840 Happened in the last hour to check the news, But 1:43:01.960 --> 1:43:05.599 what we do know is that the DHS Operation Customs 1:43:05.600 --> 1:43:08.320 and Border protection the FEDS that are coming. 1:43:08.960 --> 1:43:10.439 They are setting up a base. 1:43:10.240 --> 1:43:14.360 Of operations at that naval station, and the Navy said 1:43:14.400 --> 1:43:18.120 that they denied them lodging and that they have to 1:43:18.200 --> 1:43:20.600 stay elsewhere like hotel. Wise, I don't know how that 1:43:20.680 --> 1:43:24.240 will work because that's like several hundred people. I guess 1:43:24.240 --> 1:43:26.679 they're gonna have to disperse a lot around the suburbs 1:43:26.720 --> 1:43:28.680 in order to do that. And I don't know the 1:43:28.800 --> 1:43:30.920 reason for the denial for the lodging. It could simply 1:43:30.960 --> 1:43:32.880 be they literally don't have space. You know, people are 1:43:32.960 --> 1:43:35.840 actually like training there, like military and Navy and stuff. 1:43:36.720 --> 1:43:39.000 It's not like it's just empty, so they might not 1:43:39.160 --> 1:43:43.960 have had capacity for that. But supposedly they're gonna be 1:43:44.400 --> 1:43:47.559 doing office space there. I think the letter also mentioned 1:43:47.720 --> 1:43:50.439 they can do laundry, their emails like stuff like that. 1:43:53.200 --> 1:43:56.560 But yeah, I mean that's that's like something that of 1:43:56.680 --> 1:43:59.599 course people have eyes on, because if you can locate 1:43:59.640 --> 1:44:01.360 a hotel, that's how where people are saying, you know, 1:44:01.800 --> 1:44:03.080 that's like a pressure point. 1:44:03.640 --> 1:44:06.760 Yeah. I think I think that's an interesting point that 1:44:07.400 --> 1:44:09.479 comes back to something you were saying earlier, which is 1:44:09.520 --> 1:44:12.280 like it really looks like this is a lot of 1:44:12.360 --> 1:44:14.400 this is going to be targeted on the places close 1:44:14.479 --> 1:44:18.000 to the base, just because like if they're really like 1:44:18.200 --> 1:44:21.720 two hours out from the city, it's like pretty difficult 1:44:21.920 --> 1:44:27.840 to do raids further right into the city, just on 1:44:28.080 --> 1:44:30.640 the logistical level, and just like I don't know, just 1:44:30.760 --> 1:44:33.519 just in terms of like dealing with Chicago traffic. 1:44:34.439 --> 1:44:34.840 It's like. 1:44:36.840 --> 1:44:39.320 I don't want to exclude it as a possibility. 1:44:39.479 --> 1:44:41.000 Yeah, it's definitely possible, but it's. 1:44:40.880 --> 1:44:44.400 Like I just think when we look at inner city 1:44:44.680 --> 1:44:48.960 or urban policing, there are certain tactics that like local 1:44:49.120 --> 1:44:52.240 police use that we see the FEDS also using, right, 1:44:52.439 --> 1:44:56.160 like these unmarked cars, more covert operations, trying to move 1:44:56.200 --> 1:44:59.600 really quickly and get in and out because they know 1:45:00.000 --> 1:45:03.200 so that it's such a denser area and if rapid 1:45:03.280 --> 1:45:06.960 response shows up, people start showing up, then can get 1:45:07.080 --> 1:45:09.160 unsafe you know, for them as cops. 1:45:09.640 --> 1:45:13.439 And so we just we do know that those tactics work. 1:45:13.840 --> 1:45:16.000 We know that this is how they've been doing operations 1:45:16.080 --> 1:45:16.439 so far. 1:45:17.360 --> 1:45:22.120 With more DHS agents and more customs and border production backup, 1:45:22.360 --> 1:45:25.920 could they try for something bigger in the city, I 1:45:26.000 --> 1:45:28.320 mean yes, Like we don't want to rule that out, 1:45:28.400 --> 1:45:31.439 trust me, Like it definitely could happen. But I think 1:45:32.120 --> 1:45:35.080 given the numbers that they are trying to reach at 1:45:35.120 --> 1:45:37.880 this point, what we have to prepare for is being. 1:45:37.920 --> 1:45:41.120 Really dispersed and just kind of everywhere, you know, like 1:45:41.680 --> 1:45:45.200 and like that traffic like you mentioned, you know, it's yeah, 1:45:45.280 --> 1:45:47.960 it's like obviously if they're driving like three in the 1:45:48.000 --> 1:45:50.519 morning or something, they're not going to face as much 1:45:50.880 --> 1:45:51.479 traffic up. 1:45:51.479 --> 1:45:52.240 Nineteen ninety four. 1:45:52.320 --> 1:45:56.320 But like, yeah, there's also the like covertness of it too, 1:45:56.560 --> 1:45:59.800 Like you can't just drive a bunch of military vehicles 1:46:00.080 --> 1:46:02.479 down the highway for an hour and a half and 1:46:03.200 --> 1:46:05.920 not be sighted or spotted right like, so then you'd 1:46:05.960 --> 1:46:10.200 be giving like you're giving people more opportunities potentially intervene. 1:46:10.400 --> 1:46:13.120 So I don't know, I mean, I think like we'll 1:46:13.120 --> 1:46:15.640 see them in the city for sure. We'll see them 1:46:15.680 --> 1:46:17.880 in the burbs for sure. Whether or not we're going 1:46:17.960 --> 1:46:21.040 to see like teams of like border patrol, you know, 1:46:21.200 --> 1:46:24.600 in like full riot kit marching through like Pilsen that, 1:46:24.760 --> 1:46:27.559 I don't know. I think it's something that probably they 1:46:27.680 --> 1:46:30.160 want to do. I'm sure those dudes would be amped 1:46:30.160 --> 1:46:34.040 as fuck to like, you know, be in downtown Chicago, 1:46:34.439 --> 1:46:38.280 like harassing people, you know, beating up people, but from 1:46:38.320 --> 1:46:41.799 an operational security standpoint, like for them. 1:46:41.800 --> 1:46:43.080 It is like so dangerous. 1:46:43.320 --> 1:46:46.639 Yeah, so I just I don't know. So so, speaking 1:46:46.760 --> 1:46:48.799 speaking of dangers, we're going to go to these ads 1:46:48.920 --> 1:46:51.400 and then we're going to come back and talk about 1:46:52.479 --> 1:46:57.439 Oh god, is rumors the right word to describe something 1:46:57.560 --> 1:47:00.320 that the governor is saying about the target getting to 1:47:00.360 --> 1:47:01.759 the Mexican Independence State Parade? 1:47:03.280 --> 1:47:08.280 But maybe not rumor? Maybe maybe just statement. 1:47:08.840 --> 1:47:11.320 Yeah, I will, we'll figure we'll figure out the verbiage 1:47:11.439 --> 1:47:25.840 when we returned. Yeah, we are back. So one of 1:47:25.880 --> 1:47:29.320 the things that Governor Pritzker has said is that Stephen Miller, 1:47:29.560 --> 1:47:32.479 I'm gonna I'm gonna read this quote. This is an NBC. 1:47:32.560 --> 1:47:34.760 I'm gonna read this quote, just that Pritzker said at 1:47:34.800 --> 1:47:37.800 a conference, we have reason to believe that Stephen Miller 1:47:37.920 --> 1:47:40.200 chose the month of September to come to Chicago because 1:47:40.360 --> 1:47:43.800 celebrations around Mexican Independence Day that happened here every year. 1:47:44.760 --> 1:47:47.680 And yeah, you know. He further said, it breaks my 1:47:47.760 --> 1:47:49.880 heart to report that we have been told ICE will 1:47:49.920 --> 1:47:53.000 try and disrupt community picnics and peaceful parades. He said, 1:47:53.479 --> 1:47:55.800 let's be clear, the terror and cruelty is the point, 1:47:55.920 --> 1:47:59.560 not the safety of anyone living here. So yeah, I 1:47:59.640 --> 1:48:01.680 guess I want to start by talking a little bit 1:48:01.720 --> 1:48:05.120 about these parades themselves, because they are a absolutely massive 1:48:05.439 --> 1:48:07.799 event in Chicago. There's like a big one in Pilsen, 1:48:07.840 --> 1:48:11.040 but also like I'm just all over the city. There's 1:48:11.120 --> 1:48:13.920 just a bunch of people driving around with Mexican flags rocks. 1:48:14.600 --> 1:48:17.160 There's people celebrating. It's really cool. 1:48:17.760 --> 1:48:20.160 Yeah, it turns into more of like a like a 1:48:20.560 --> 1:48:24.439 widespread like car caravan thing. Ye, there'll be a lot 1:48:24.520 --> 1:48:29.320 of yeah, you know, and like here's the thing. I know, 1:48:29.479 --> 1:48:33.639 traffic jams are annoying to like anybody, but when it's 1:48:33.680 --> 1:48:36.040 in celebration of something. 1:48:36.240 --> 1:48:40.160 You know, yeah, its pick the train that day, it's great. 1:48:41.040 --> 1:48:44.320 I mean, I understand the arguments for like, well, ambulances 1:48:44.400 --> 1:48:46.720 need to get through things like that, but I think 1:48:46.760 --> 1:48:49.959 there's a lot of power in people taking the streets 1:48:50.240 --> 1:48:53.280 and like, you know, the cars are just the easiest. 1:48:52.920 --> 1:48:56.200 Way to get massive amounts of people around. 1:48:56.400 --> 1:48:59.320 And then there's a lot of like there's a street 1:48:59.360 --> 1:49:02.680 culture here around like street takeovers too, and and this 1:49:02.840 --> 1:49:05.720 happens outside of like Mexican Independence Day, where like some 1:49:06.360 --> 1:49:10.280 some people will take over an intersection and do donuts 1:49:10.360 --> 1:49:11.160 and and set off. 1:49:11.120 --> 1:49:15.040 Fireworks and like yeah, yell at the cops and whatever. 1:49:15.160 --> 1:49:18.040 Right, it's fun, it's cool. It's it's good. 1:49:19.520 --> 1:49:20.679 That happens in cities. 1:49:20.960 --> 1:49:24.040 And I think when it comes to living in a city, 1:49:24.120 --> 1:49:27.599 it's like, yeah, you you're trading certain things for other things, 1:49:27.680 --> 1:49:29.360 and and and stuff like that happens. 1:49:29.400 --> 1:49:31.920 And so with Mexican Independence Day, it's like we we 1:49:32.280 --> 1:49:33.040 we can have like. 1:49:33.080 --> 1:49:35.560 Sustained nights where that is just going on and on, 1:49:35.840 --> 1:49:37.960 like the loop will be jammed up, like everyone will 1:49:37.960 --> 1:49:38.599 be jammed up. 1:49:38.680 --> 1:49:41.400 And of course there's like the public safety people who 1:49:41.600 --> 1:49:42.519 like whine about it. 1:49:42.720 --> 1:49:45.680 And and you know, yeah, this is also like a 1:49:45.840 --> 1:49:50.000 big like like white people of the city get really 1:49:50.080 --> 1:49:54.200 fucking pissed about this like every year. First like oh no, no, no, no, 1:49:54.560 --> 1:49:57.240 look at the Mexicans, Like it's just like and like 1:49:57.560 --> 1:49:59.280 like the most racist shit you've ever heard in your 1:49:59.400 --> 1:50:01.160 entire life. And there's the people sort of below that 1:50:01.240 --> 1:50:05.880 who will couch it and like, oh uh public safety, right, 1:50:06.200 --> 1:50:08.760 and I'm going to be really fucking mean to these people, 1:50:08.800 --> 1:50:11.000 which is like if you're if you're pissed off at 1:50:11.040 --> 1:50:14.679 a bunch of people like basically doing their own parade. 1:50:15.200 --> 1:50:17.680 You are not fit to live in a city, Like 1:50:17.960 --> 1:50:20.880 get the fuck out of here, Like, fuck off, go 1:50:21.080 --> 1:50:23.960 back to the suburbs, you dip shits. You're fucking losers. 1:50:24.000 --> 1:50:27.360 You're not fit for urban life, like elight dick, the 1:50:27.439 --> 1:50:28.160 shit rules. 1:50:29.800 --> 1:50:33.240 Yeah, it's Yeah, the reaction to it is like so 1:50:34.200 --> 1:50:36.559 so over the top, And it's the kind of thing 1:50:36.640 --> 1:50:39.800 where like when when Trump is like talking about the 1:50:39.880 --> 1:50:43.919 National Guard and responding to crime in Chicago or disorder, 1:50:44.120 --> 1:50:46.760 you know, that's the kind of thing I could see 1:50:46.840 --> 1:50:48.559 him like ordering them into. 1:50:48.479 --> 1:50:51.080 Respond to, you know, especially if there's like there's like 1:50:51.160 --> 1:50:54.080 a shooting or something that happens towards the tail end 1:50:54.120 --> 1:50:57.680 of one of these celebrations, which again, you know, it's 1:50:57.760 --> 1:50:59.360 like that that's a risk. 1:50:59.240 --> 1:51:01.679 Anytime large months and people gather anywhere. 1:51:01.840 --> 1:51:05.400 Interpersonal violence freaking out right, like again, is a thing 1:51:05.479 --> 1:51:06.479 that happens, and the. 1:51:06.560 --> 1:51:10.200 Direct cause of it is never like people partying. The 1:51:10.320 --> 1:51:10.920 direct cause of. 1:51:10.920 --> 1:51:13.320 It is usually like somebody's got a beat with somebody, 1:51:13.560 --> 1:51:16.719 or somebody drank too much and lost in pulse control, 1:51:16.760 --> 1:51:17.960 you know, whatever the reason might be. 1:51:18.280 --> 1:51:22.120 Yeah, So I think that is, Like I think that's 1:51:22.120 --> 1:51:23.360 what Pritzker is alluding to. 1:51:23.920 --> 1:51:26.080 It's kind of like the car caravan and stuff when 1:51:26.120 --> 1:51:29.000 he says, like Steven Miller is bringing ice to interrupt 1:51:29.040 --> 1:51:31.000 family picnics, Like I don't I don't know where he's 1:51:31.040 --> 1:51:33.920 getting that information, Like I don't know that that is 1:51:34.000 --> 1:51:38.080 like specifically going to happen. You know, I think given 1:51:38.120 --> 1:51:41.040 what we've seen out in LA, unless I've missed anything, 1:51:41.320 --> 1:51:44.640 it doesn't seem like they've attacked any like festivals or 1:51:44.720 --> 1:51:47.559 like like public gatherings like that, like in a direct way. 1:51:48.000 --> 1:51:48.160 You know. 1:51:48.240 --> 1:51:51.200 I think like logistically it's just maybe not as easy 1:51:51.280 --> 1:51:55.200 to necessarily like grab people with questionable immigration status at 1:51:55.240 --> 1:51:56.760 that kind of stuff. And if you go to like 1:51:57.120 --> 1:52:00.439 a place where you know, like the car wash wherever 1:52:00.640 --> 1:52:03.679 they have intel that it's like undocumented people are working here. 1:52:04.280 --> 1:52:05.120 It makes more sense. 1:52:05.200 --> 1:52:07.720 So I don't want to rule out that something like 1:52:07.800 --> 1:52:10.240 that could happen, but I think I think there's a 1:52:11.080 --> 1:52:13.760 whether it happens or not. It's like part of it 1:52:13.960 --> 1:52:17.360 is also the intention is to have this chilling effect, 1:52:17.520 --> 1:52:21.519 like to make people afraid to celebrate or come out, 1:52:21.960 --> 1:52:24.560 to cause that terror, you know, It's kind of like 1:52:24.800 --> 1:52:28.200 we had a situation a couple months ago where some 1:52:28.400 --> 1:52:31.479 FEDS who claimed they were with like a financial crimes 1:52:31.560 --> 1:52:34.160 task force. It wasn't even Ice, but I don't know 1:52:34.280 --> 1:52:36.360 what they were doing, and they were meeting up at 1:52:36.400 --> 1:52:40.519 a boathouse parking lot in Humboldt Park like a week 1:52:40.600 --> 1:52:44.280 before all these cultural celebrations in the area, and people 1:52:44.400 --> 1:52:45.600 got really freaked out because it. 1:52:45.640 --> 1:52:47.240 Was just like, what the fuck are you guys doing? 1:52:47.320 --> 1:52:50.080 And they like went into the museum and were like 1:52:50.720 --> 1:52:54.160 questioning workers and asking you the bathroom and I mean, 1:52:54.360 --> 1:52:57.599 just being assholes, it sounds like. And then they laughed, 1:52:57.760 --> 1:53:00.320 and then there were like all these questions swirling like 1:53:00.400 --> 1:53:03.400 well what was this, Like were they seeking intel before 1:53:03.479 --> 1:53:06.120 these fests? And you know, people made sure to like 1:53:06.680 --> 1:53:09.080 we wanted we wanted to still have these fasts, but 1:53:09.160 --> 1:53:11.360 we want people to show up in even bigger numbers, 1:53:11.479 --> 1:53:12.479 like powering numbers. 1:53:12.680 --> 1:53:14.920 Everybody show up, and that's what happens. 1:53:15.240 --> 1:53:18.760 And you know, they didn't attack the fest, And you know, 1:53:18.840 --> 1:53:21.080 that was a really weird situation because it wasn't Ice 1:53:21.160 --> 1:53:22.240 and we didn't know what was going on. 1:53:22.479 --> 1:53:23.679 But I think. 1:53:23.640 --> 1:53:26.880 Ultimately, like yeah, giving in and like staying home and 1:53:27.000 --> 1:53:31.240 refusing to show up obviously just plays right into their hands. 1:53:32.680 --> 1:53:35.040 And I wanted to kind of pivot a little bit 1:53:35.080 --> 1:53:38.840 from this into the way that Pritzker has sort of 1:53:38.880 --> 1:53:42.160 been framing this, where he's talking about how if anyone 1:53:42.240 --> 1:53:44.000 throws a sandwich at the guard, this is going to 1:53:44.040 --> 1:53:46.240 be used as like the excuse to do a crackdown, 1:53:46.360 --> 1:53:49.120 and like I think, yeah, they're gonna they're gonna do 1:53:49.280 --> 1:53:53.240 the crackdown anyways, Like I don't think that's like. 1:53:53.960 --> 1:53:56.759 I mean, this is the central kind of point of conflict. 1:53:56.840 --> 1:53:59.840 I think in like a lot of movement space to 1:54:00.000 --> 1:54:02.680 discussions right now too, especially among kind of. 1:54:02.800 --> 1:54:05.799 Like older liberals and like the younger generation. 1:54:06.160 --> 1:54:08.640 And part of it is is like, yeah, there's this 1:54:09.880 --> 1:54:12.840 insistence that, well, he's looking for a reason to send 1:54:12.880 --> 1:54:14.400 in the National Guards, so don't give him more. 1:54:15.200 --> 1:54:18.920 But it's like border patrol is the reason. Yeah, you know, 1:54:19.040 --> 1:54:21.800 like they're going to show up, and I don't know 1:54:21.840 --> 1:54:22.320 how it's. 1:54:22.200 --> 1:54:24.080 Going to go down, if it's going to be walking again, 1:54:24.080 --> 1:54:26.000 if it's going to be in Chicago, whatever is going 1:54:26.080 --> 1:54:26.400 to happen. 1:54:26.640 --> 1:54:29.880 But if somebody throws a water bottle at those DHS agents, 1:54:30.080 --> 1:54:32.520 that's enough of a reason, you know for them to 1:54:32.600 --> 1:54:36.720 say there's there's unrest, like and who triggered that, the cops? 1:54:37.120 --> 1:54:40.320 Yeah, and like it's CPD, Like I have I have 1:54:40.600 --> 1:54:45.480 watched CPD do this shape to people where nothing happened, right, 1:54:45.720 --> 1:54:47.680 Like it was just people standing there and. 1:54:48.360 --> 1:54:51.520 You know, right, our Attorney General said the same thing 1:54:51.600 --> 1:54:54.080 in a statement last night, like make sure you protest 1:54:54.160 --> 1:54:59.400 peacefully within the law. The Cook County Board President Tony 1:54:59.400 --> 1:55:00.920 Pukwinkle said the. 1:55:00.960 --> 1:55:03.560 Same big money still around you. 1:55:03.720 --> 1:55:07.720 No, I mean how all the like you know Illinois 1:55:07.840 --> 1:55:11.440 Democratic god big dog people, like they're all, yeah, all 1:55:11.520 --> 1:55:13.320 the machine mother fucking the same thing. 1:55:13.520 --> 1:55:15.120 I mean, like honestly, Mayrev. 1:55:15.240 --> 1:55:18.720 Johnson kind of was a little more fiery in his rhetoric, 1:55:19.000 --> 1:55:20.880 but he's still only going to go so far. 1:55:21.000 --> 1:55:22.960 You know, like they're politician. Yeah, they can't. 1:55:23.440 --> 1:55:25.800 They're not going to come out and say like, oh, 1:55:25.960 --> 1:55:30.280 that's physically crisis ice. I think we always yeah, but 1:55:30.400 --> 1:55:33.280 it is like it is a very dangerous way to 1:55:34.040 --> 1:55:38.600 frame resistance, like to say, yeah, well, don't provoke him. 1:55:38.640 --> 1:55:40.760 You know, it's kind of like living with an abuser 1:55:40.960 --> 1:55:44.000 or a bully and then blaming somebody for fighting back. 1:55:44.720 --> 1:55:47.560 Yeah, and I think there's also there's really it creates 1:55:47.600 --> 1:55:49.440 really dangerous and hammocks on the ground. I mean, like 1:55:49.440 --> 1:55:51.880 I still remember like one of the things I'm sort 1:55:51.920 --> 1:55:55.560 of haunted by from this Durm twenty twenty was in 1:55:55.880 --> 1:55:59.480 Atlanta or someone like the person who burned the Wendy's down. Yeah, 1:56:00.200 --> 1:56:02.800 like a whole there was like a whole thing where 1:56:02.920 --> 1:56:05.000 people were like, this is a federal infiltrator, and they 1:56:05.040 --> 1:56:06.960 turned them over to the FEDS, which doesn't make any sense, 1:56:07.040 --> 1:56:09.360 by the way, Like if your logic is this person 1:56:09.480 --> 1:56:12.680 is a FED and we turn them over to the Feds, nonsensical, 1:56:12.720 --> 1:56:13.960 But like this this is the thing you see a 1:56:14.000 --> 1:56:15.960 lot in these kinds of protests, Like people will just 1:56:16.000 --> 1:56:17.960 like hand people over to the Feds. And then it 1:56:18.040 --> 1:56:21.160 turned out that that she was the girlfriend of a 1:56:21.280 --> 1:56:24.960 fucking guy the police had shot. Yeah, and that shit 1:56:25.160 --> 1:56:28.400 just like happens. Yeah, And I don't know, like that's 1:56:28.440 --> 1:56:30.120 like that's like the consequence of this this kind of 1:56:30.120 --> 1:56:33.120 stuff is like these people, the peace of police people 1:56:33.440 --> 1:56:36.080 feel like they are in power to hand people over 1:56:36.240 --> 1:56:39.760 to the actual police. And I just want to sort 1:56:39.760 --> 1:56:43.000 of like take a second to talk to like directly 1:56:43.040 --> 1:56:44.680 to people who are listening to this who agree with 1:56:44.760 --> 1:56:47.760 this stuff, which is okay if you are facing a 1:56:47.880 --> 1:56:51.560 fascist regime, right, regardless of whether you agree with what 1:56:51.720 --> 1:56:54.360 someone is doing or not, do you think it's a 1:56:54.400 --> 1:56:57.480 good idea to hand them over to the to the 1:56:57.640 --> 1:57:02.320 legal executors of that regime, Like would you hand someone 1:57:02.480 --> 1:57:05.120 over to the SS because they resisted the SS and 1:57:05.160 --> 1:57:06.080 know what you didn't approve of? 1:57:06.520 --> 1:57:06.560 No? 1:57:07.280 --> 1:57:08.200 What are we doing here? 1:57:08.800 --> 1:57:08.920 Right? 1:57:09.160 --> 1:57:10.440 I don't know? And I think this ties back to 1:57:10.520 --> 1:57:11.960 something from what we're talking about the beginning of the 1:57:12.000 --> 1:57:14.840 week of like the extent to which people have become 1:57:14.920 --> 1:57:17.880 convinced that like the ICE agents are all like proud 1:57:17.920 --> 1:57:22.160 boys or something because they can't imagine the institutions that 1:57:22.280 --> 1:57:26.400 they had supported for so long, right, suddenly being fascist 1:57:26.520 --> 1:57:31.520 And it's like no, actually, like these organizations have always 1:57:31.560 --> 1:57:33.960 bent this way, and they're they're organs of the state, 1:57:34.000 --> 1:57:36.280 which means they're going to be subverted to enforcing the 1:57:36.320 --> 1:57:38.000 regime of fascism, right. 1:57:38.120 --> 1:57:41.160 And you know, I think I think a lot of 1:57:41.200 --> 1:57:44.120 people who kind of and I'm not talking about the politicians, 1:57:44.200 --> 1:57:46.480 but like regular people who kind of share in this 1:57:46.680 --> 1:57:48.720 sentiment of like they're scared. 1:57:48.760 --> 1:57:50.920 They don't want to provoke or like make things worse. 1:57:51.120 --> 1:57:54.000 You know, I think their their hearts are in the 1:57:54.120 --> 1:57:56.120 right place, Like they're coming from a place of like, well, 1:57:56.160 --> 1:57:57.560 we just don't want people to get arrested. 1:57:57.920 --> 1:58:00.400 We want people to be safe. Like I think, by 1:58:00.480 --> 1:58:02.040 and large, that's the motivation. 1:58:02.640 --> 1:58:04.760 But yeah, it's just kind of like a very shallow 1:58:04.920 --> 1:58:09.200 understanding of how resistance actually looks and works. 1:58:09.680 --> 1:58:13.680 In real life. There's also just like a worry for 1:58:13.800 --> 1:58:14.160 a lot. 1:58:14.120 --> 1:58:16.240 Of people that like, well, that kind of stuff might 1:58:16.320 --> 1:58:20.360 endanger others want to show up with kids or families, 1:58:20.440 --> 1:58:22.080 and I think there just needs to be like a 1:58:22.160 --> 1:58:23.160 separation in space. 1:58:23.280 --> 1:58:26.760 Obviously, not every protest or every resistance is for everyone, 1:58:26.800 --> 1:58:30.040 but at the end of the day, like some of these. 1:58:29.960 --> 1:58:34.880 Discussions kind of just fall to the wayside once things 1:58:34.920 --> 1:58:38.600 get to a certain point, because like, yeah, if border 1:58:38.640 --> 1:58:39.960 patrol rolls through your. 1:58:39.920 --> 1:58:42.960 Town, you're you're not gonna be able to control how 1:58:43.000 --> 1:58:43.920 everyone responds to that. 1:58:44.440 --> 1:58:47.600 Yeah, like that that's a point at which you can 1:58:47.720 --> 1:58:53.360 see a more spontaneous response. And and so like this 1:58:53.680 --> 1:58:57.760 sort of like top down movement organizer level like control 1:58:57.880 --> 1:58:59.880 of like the protests and how it's going to go 1:59:00.480 --> 1:59:02.880 kind of falls apart anyway, because by that point, like 1:59:03.200 --> 1:59:04.600 no one's in control of any. 1:59:04.680 --> 1:59:06.200 Yeah, it's a it's a it's a bunch of it's 1:59:06.240 --> 1:59:08.040 a bunch of people running out of our houses being 1:59:08.120 --> 1:59:11.720 like fuck, fuck the fucking like the immigration authorities right right, 1:59:11.960 --> 1:59:14.440 you know, And I don't know. That's the thing that 1:59:15.120 --> 1:59:20.640 gives me hope in the situation, is that, like I'm 1:59:20.640 --> 1:59:23.080 going to retreat to the metaphysical level for a second, 1:59:23.120 --> 1:59:25.880 where like one of the things I don't know almost 1:59:26.040 --> 1:59:29.760 spiritually that I believe in is cities. That cities are 1:59:29.840 --> 1:59:33.920 more than sort of some of their parts. Yeah, and 1:59:34.080 --> 1:59:36.800 obviously like they're they're broken down into all of these things, 1:59:36.880 --> 1:59:39.080 and you know, like like they're like there's something there 1:59:40.040 --> 1:59:43.720 right in Chicago. Is something that I believe in, and 1:59:43.840 --> 1:59:46.280 I believe in the people there, and I believe in 1:59:47.120 --> 1:59:51.440 their capacity to resist this and to drive these people 1:59:51.520 --> 1:59:55.120 out because they can be driven out. And you know, 1:59:55.320 --> 1:59:59.560 with with enough organization and enough spontaneity and enough cost 1:59:59.680 --> 2:00:03.120 and on their logistical operations, they can be ran out 2:00:03.120 --> 2:00:06.920 of a city. Yeah, I think the power of a city. 2:00:07.280 --> 2:00:11.560 It's not something that's clear until it's manifested and you 2:00:11.680 --> 2:00:15.520 never know when it's going to manifest, but when it does. 2:00:16.200 --> 2:00:18.680 If you look at the entire federal deployment, even if 2:00:18.680 --> 2:00:20.560 they bringing the National Guard, like we're talking about less 2:00:20.560 --> 2:00:24.800 than three thousand people, there are millions of people in 2:00:24.880 --> 2:00:28.880 the city. This is a fucking flea in an ocean, 2:00:29.440 --> 2:00:32.560 and the flea is relying on the waves, staying calm 2:00:32.640 --> 2:00:35.360 so it doesn't get drowned. And this is the thing 2:00:35.440 --> 2:00:38.080 that can happen. These people can be ran out of cities, 2:00:38.240 --> 2:00:41.800 they can be chased out, their operations can be made impossible, 2:00:41.840 --> 2:00:43.800 they can be rendered impotent, and they can be made 2:00:43.840 --> 2:00:47.400 to retreat. And you know, that's just something I'll say, 2:00:47.480 --> 2:00:50.680 is just like the experience of watching these people break 2:00:50.760 --> 2:00:53.680 and run, because they will break and run. They can 2:00:53.880 --> 2:00:57.400 and they will, and you can do it is the 2:00:57.520 --> 2:01:01.320 most amazing feeling in the entire world, because you know, 2:01:01.440 --> 2:01:05.280 however powerful they look, they are beatable and they know it. 2:01:05.520 --> 2:01:09.120 And that's why they operate with this sort of you know, 2:01:09.280 --> 2:01:14.360 these like fear shock tactics, because they know that if 2:01:14.400 --> 2:01:16.400 you're not afraid of them, they can be defeated. 2:01:17.320 --> 2:01:19.480 There have always been more of us than there are 2:01:19.560 --> 2:01:19.840 of them. 2:01:20.320 --> 2:01:24.400 Yeah, like that's always been true, and they do rule 2:01:24.520 --> 2:01:29.400 by fear, and Chicago will fight back. And there's so 2:01:29.640 --> 2:01:34.080 much knowledge and history here of our urban black and 2:01:34.200 --> 2:01:36.040 brown communities resisting the police. 2:01:36.080 --> 2:01:36.960 Even to this day. 2:01:37.120 --> 2:01:41.600 I see on TikTok every night videos of crowds hassling 2:01:41.640 --> 2:01:42.840 the cops or pushing. 2:01:42.560 --> 2:01:44.120 Them out of their hood. I mean, like, this is 2:01:44.240 --> 2:01:47.640 it's amazing happening right now. There are communities who do 2:01:47.840 --> 2:01:51.920 this work right now. The schallenge, of course, remains building 2:01:52.120 --> 2:01:55.320 solidarity across the borders of the neighborhoods. 2:01:56.760 --> 2:01:59.200 Yeah, but I don't think this is an insurmountable thing. 2:01:59.480 --> 2:01:59.520 No. 2:02:00.200 --> 2:02:02.720 I have never been in a place where where people 2:02:02.800 --> 2:02:07.320 fly the flag of their fucking city that you like, 2:02:07.480 --> 2:02:08.200 it's not real. 2:02:09.560 --> 2:02:12.400 We're basically a small nation state at this point. So 2:02:13.080 --> 2:02:15.120 this is going to get really weird really fast. 2:02:16.240 --> 2:02:20.120 Yeah, And it's like, I don't know, like the US's 2:02:20.200 --> 2:02:23.120 record of military occupations is not good and we can 2:02:23.240 --> 2:02:24.400 hand them another l. 2:02:28.600 --> 2:02:28.760 Yeah. 2:02:28.840 --> 2:02:30.960 So, Raven, is there anything else that you want to say? 2:02:31.200 --> 2:02:33.240 And also where can people find your work? 2:02:34.160 --> 2:02:34.920 Nothing else to say? 2:02:35.120 --> 2:02:39.280 Our work is who've mostly even posting on Blue Sky honestly. 2:02:39.560 --> 2:02:42.440 Which I always like kind of cringe, but we just 2:02:42.520 --> 2:02:44.919 do a lot of live reporting. It's the only functional 2:02:44.960 --> 2:02:45.440 way to do it. 2:02:45.680 --> 2:02:48.240 Yeah, it's it's really good. By the way, this is like, 2:02:48.640 --> 2:02:51.200 it's it's a kind of coverage that I think is 2:02:51.440 --> 2:02:54.560 becoming more and more important as things go on, and 2:02:54.680 --> 2:02:58.280 it's really the only way right now to get good 2:02:58.480 --> 2:03:01.600 on the ground coverage of people of how these actions 2:03:01.640 --> 2:03:02.600 are actually unfolding. 2:03:02.960 --> 2:03:03.960 And it rocks. 2:03:04.240 --> 2:03:08.680 I've I mean, we've been there together at events at 2:03:08.760 --> 2:03:11.360 protests before, and like I could, I could, I could 2:03:11.400 --> 2:03:15.960 personally vouch for the coverage being good, and yeah, yeah, 2:03:16.000 --> 2:03:18.160 And it's also like, I mean, we have a lot 2:03:18.160 --> 2:03:22.400 of people on this show, but like it really matters 2:03:22.920 --> 2:03:25.080 when the people who are covering a social movement are 2:03:25.080 --> 2:03:27.320 people who actually are in them and understand how they 2:03:27.400 --> 2:03:31.240 work and like have been in these places, and so yeah, 2:03:31.240 --> 2:03:33.320 I think it's I think it's really really important work. 2:03:33.360 --> 2:03:35.320 And I think people should go support y'all because it's 2:03:35.520 --> 2:03:37.240 it's great and it's going to be more and more 2:03:37.280 --> 2:03:40.640 necessary as the occupation unfolds. 2:03:41.800 --> 2:03:47.680 As the occupation unfolds, what a bleak, what a what 2:03:47.840 --> 2:03:49.160 a terrible world. 2:03:51.240 --> 2:03:54.360 But another world is possible. That's the most important. 2:03:54.120 --> 2:03:59.320 Yeah, remember, Yeah, and the only way to do it 2:03:59.440 --> 2:04:02.240 is by build it, and you can do that right now. 2:04:03.000 --> 2:04:06.080 I also do think a lot about how like the 2:04:06.320 --> 2:04:10.000 first well not the first police uprising, but like kind 2:04:10.000 --> 2:04:11.560 of the the opening of. 2:04:11.600 --> 2:04:15.160 This like era of what's going on was the George. 2:04:14.920 --> 2:04:18.560 Floyd Uprising, which didn't happen in Great Lakes in the Midwest, 2:04:18.640 --> 2:04:22.680 in the Mideamo West. Yeah, I think there is there's 2:04:22.760 --> 2:04:28.120 something about this leads in specifically We're generally not like 2:04:28.280 --> 2:04:30.920 the first to pop off, just because don't have as 2:04:30.960 --> 2:04:32.879 many people as in New York or Los Angeles. 2:04:33.520 --> 2:04:37.320 But there's such a rich history of like resistance to 2:04:37.360 --> 2:04:39.400 the police here. I mean you get Ferguson and Missouri, 2:04:39.480 --> 2:04:41.160 which is like kind of Midwest, kind of South, but 2:04:41.320 --> 2:04:44.800 like these communities have such a strong history of noringm 2:04:44.800 --> 2:04:47.440 what it's like to live as like some downtowns too, 2:04:47.640 --> 2:04:50.280 and some of them still are with these like majority 2:04:50.360 --> 2:04:52.280 white police departments. 2:04:52.400 --> 2:04:56.360 So it's it'll be something to watch how things unfold 2:04:56.480 --> 2:04:57.520 here specifically. 2:04:57.640 --> 2:05:01.400 Yeah, and the uprising in Chicago was like one of 2:05:01.440 --> 2:05:03.880 the motion times anywhere in the country, Like they ran 2:05:04.000 --> 2:05:06.280 the cops out of the center of the city, like 2:05:06.360 --> 2:05:09.760 they they lost control for days of like the giant 2:05:09.800 --> 2:05:11.520 shopping district in the middle of the city. That is 2:05:11.640 --> 2:05:16.120 like the thing that like the Chicago business glitzy self 2:05:16.240 --> 2:05:19.000 image is like based off of they just lost it 2:05:19.320 --> 2:05:24.000 fully because people ran them out. And you know we 2:05:24.120 --> 2:05:25.960 did to them once, we could do it again. 2:05:28.640 --> 2:05:28.840 Yeah. 2:05:29.160 --> 2:05:31.720 Well, and I think public opinion against ICE is much 2:05:31.760 --> 2:05:36.280 worse than like CPD. I mean, like not that public 2:05:36.360 --> 2:05:39.440 opinion against CPD is great, but obviously things with ICE 2:05:39.480 --> 2:05:41.240 are reaching like a fever pitch right now. 2:05:41.480 --> 2:05:42.720 Yeah, people hate them. 2:05:43.320 --> 2:05:45.920 Yeah, so you know you're not. I don't know if 2:05:45.920 --> 2:05:48.600 there's ever been an occupying army that people didn't hate. 2:05:49.000 --> 2:05:51.480 But like, it's just not going to go well for 2:05:51.560 --> 2:05:54.280 you when the locals hate you, Like, it's just not 2:05:54.520 --> 2:05:55.600 it's not going. 2:05:55.520 --> 2:05:55.960 To go well. 2:05:56.360 --> 2:05:59.400 Yeah. And I think you know, the history, as said 2:05:59.440 --> 2:06:03.800 this before, the history of American occupations is littered with defeats. 2:06:04.280 --> 2:06:05.560 Fucking hand them another one. 2:06:06.080 --> 2:06:28.040 Oh mom, no inappropriate joke Robert to start this episode. Wow, 2:06:28.400 --> 2:06:30.080 I feel so clean, you know. 2:06:31.000 --> 2:06:34.720 I guess you could say I have some executive dysfunction today. 2:06:34.880 --> 2:06:36.000 This is it could happen here. 2:06:36.160 --> 2:06:39.320 Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the 2:06:39.360 --> 2:06:41.520 White House, the crumbling world what it means for you. 2:06:41.680 --> 2:06:45.640 I'm Garrison Davis today. I'm joined by Mia Wong, Robert Evans, 2:06:45.760 --> 2:06:50.080 and possibly Sophie Lichterman, our producer. This episode, we are 2:06:50.240 --> 2:06:53.640 covering the week of August twenty eighth to September third. 2:06:53.920 --> 2:06:59.080 Happy Fake Labor Day to everybody, and some breaking news 2:06:59.280 --> 2:07:01.960 from this past weekend. Trump maybe died. 2:07:03.360 --> 2:07:04.800 Yeah, let's check out on that. 2:07:04.920 --> 2:07:08.640 Garrison, as our official, is the president a lie of correspondent? 2:07:08.800 --> 2:07:12.400 Let me do a click at Google search here. Oh no, no, 2:07:12.640 --> 2:07:13.760 he's still He's still around. 2:07:13.920 --> 2:07:15.120 Did everyone get checked again? 2:07:15.240 --> 2:07:15.920 He's still okay. 2:07:16.560 --> 2:07:18.680 The conspiracy theories this week were really fun. 2:07:18.720 --> 2:07:20.400 And then there was that thing that video that went 2:07:20.480 --> 2:07:23.360 viral of like them like opening a White House window 2:07:23.400 --> 2:07:25.520 and throwing out a couple black trash bags. 2:07:25.560 --> 2:07:27.080 That really was really funny. 2:07:27.240 --> 2:07:28.360 That was really funny. 2:07:28.760 --> 2:07:31.000 I was like, there's way worse things going on in 2:07:31.040 --> 2:07:32.480 the world. I don't have time to care about this, 2:07:32.600 --> 2:07:34.520 But we never got information about that. That was just 2:07:34.600 --> 2:07:35.160 some weird shit. 2:07:35.520 --> 2:07:37.480 Not yet, not yet, Sophie sensational. 2:07:37.560 --> 2:07:38.920 I don't think we know what it was. 2:07:39.040 --> 2:07:41.960 I mean, it could just be that's them fucking cleaning shit, 2:07:42.120 --> 2:07:45.040 but I wouldn't be surprised if they were destroying evidence. 2:07:45.440 --> 2:07:48.400 I wasn't aware those windows could open. I thought they 2:07:48.440 --> 2:07:51.240 were like bulletproof and and like weren't. 2:07:50.960 --> 2:07:51.640 Supposed to open. 2:07:51.680 --> 2:07:54.160 I'm sure they both bulletproof, but have to be possible 2:07:54.240 --> 2:07:56.800 to open so that the Secret Service has more paths 2:07:56.840 --> 2:08:00.280 of egress in the event that some crazy disaster of 2:08:00.280 --> 2:08:02.360 a fall the White House. You need to watch the 2:08:02.440 --> 2:08:05.200 documentary White House Down, Sophie. This spells all of that out. 2:08:06.040 --> 2:08:10.560 So Trump went a few days without a major public appearance. 2:08:10.880 --> 2:08:13.480 The man is just trying to take some time off. 2:08:15.320 --> 2:08:18.800 Though he wasn't seen golfing between Saturday and Monday. But 2:08:19.080 --> 2:08:22.880 there's nothing on Trump's public schedule for three days during 2:08:23.080 --> 2:08:27.080 Labor Day weekend, where he essentially took a brief golfing holiday, 2:08:27.960 --> 2:08:32.160 and this fueled speculation that he was in a rapid 2:08:32.280 --> 2:08:35.440 health decline, spawning a whole bunch of gnsper theories about 2:08:35.720 --> 2:08:40.080 him being in the hospital, Vance imminently taking over, and 2:08:40.960 --> 2:08:43.520 some comments from JD. Vance during a USA Today interview 2:08:43.600 --> 2:08:47.160 released last Thursday fueled some of this speculation. Over the weekend, 2:08:47.560 --> 2:08:50.200 Vance said, quote, I feel very confident the President of 2:08:50.240 --> 2:08:52.360 the United States is in good shape, is going to 2:08:52.480 --> 2:08:54.640 serve out the remainder of his term and do great 2:08:54.720 --> 2:08:58.320 things for the American people. And if God forbid there's 2:08:58.360 --> 2:09:01.360 a terrible tragedy, I can't think of better on the 2:09:01.440 --> 2:09:03.840 job training than what I've gotten over the last two 2:09:04.000 --> 2:09:05.520 hundred days unquote. 2:09:06.960 --> 2:09:09.920 It sounds like he's ready to take the reins right now. 2:09:11.040 --> 2:09:13.400 Sure, man, Yeah, you're trained up now. 2:09:14.160 --> 2:09:18.360 Over the weekend, people spread AI altered images of Trump's 2:09:18.400 --> 2:09:21.360 face looking more swollen and sickly than it actually was, 2:09:22.040 --> 2:09:25.800 and rumors circulated that roads to Walter Reed Medical Center 2:09:25.920 --> 2:09:29.640 were closed yeah, when in fact there were no irregular closures, 2:09:29.720 --> 2:09:33.640 and screenshots of maps supposedly showing these quote unquote closures 2:09:34.040 --> 2:09:37.920 were actually just showing old security gates because yeah, you 2:09:38.000 --> 2:09:40.760 can't just like walk or drive up to the front 2:09:40.800 --> 2:09:43.680 door of Walter Reed Medical Center. Yeah, it's in a 2:09:43.760 --> 2:09:44.520 military base. 2:09:44.760 --> 2:09:48.280 This is the ocent of idiots, right, which is people 2:09:48.840 --> 2:09:52.760 seeing something that is described as being one thing in 2:09:52.880 --> 2:09:54.600 this like little clip that they get of it in 2:09:54.720 --> 2:09:57.800 social media, and they don't actually do any further check 2:09:57.880 --> 2:10:00.280 up It's the same thing with like the pent Gone 2:10:00.360 --> 2:10:03.080 pizza totally orders that people are like, oh when when 2:10:03.200 --> 2:10:05.560 pizza orders peeked the Pentagon where about the US is 2:10:05.560 --> 2:10:07.680 about to go to war, and it's like no, sometimes 2:10:07.720 --> 2:10:10.600 people just order pizza near the Pentagon because the Pentagon 2:10:10.720 --> 2:10:13.760 is surrounded by a city, right, there's like there's people. 2:10:14.160 --> 2:10:17.200 The Pentagon pizza tracker was part of these weekend conspiracy 2:10:17.280 --> 2:10:19.600 theories that yes, you were like trying to decide how 2:10:19.680 --> 2:10:21.400 to handle Trump's declining health, and. 2:10:21.760 --> 2:10:24.520 Yes, people just like pizza guys, Like it's one of 2:10:24.560 --> 2:10:27.120 those things. I'm certainly not saying there's no way you 2:10:27.200 --> 2:10:29.400 will wake up tomorrow to hear that Trump has died, 2:10:29.440 --> 2:10:32.120 because you know what, He's seventy nine. It wouldn't be 2:10:32.240 --> 2:10:34.240 weird if his health took a sudden turn in the 2:10:34.360 --> 2:10:37.960 next day. Just statistically, it wouldn't be weird because he's 2:10:38.040 --> 2:10:41.240 seventy nine. But like the people pointing outs the simile 2:10:41.280 --> 2:10:42.760 they were doing with Biden pointing out like oh, like 2:10:42.840 --> 2:10:44.840 the marks on his hand, and it's like, yeah, that 2:10:45.040 --> 2:10:46.880 isn't it for both of them. This is evidence that 2:10:46.960 --> 2:10:49.320 they are older than you should be to be president. 2:10:49.840 --> 2:10:52.120 But like my grandpa had shit like that, Because my 2:10:52.160 --> 2:10:53.880 grandpa lived with us for the last like ten years 2:10:53.880 --> 2:10:55.760 of his life. His hands looked a lot like that 2:10:56.000 --> 2:10:58.680 for like a decade. Like, so people live for a 2:10:58.760 --> 2:11:01.360 long time. After it becomes clear they're very sick and old. 2:11:01.600 --> 2:11:04.440 It's not a sign that they're about. 2:11:04.160 --> 2:11:05.360 To kick off this weekend. 2:11:05.640 --> 2:11:07.400 That guy in Congress who looks like a turtle has 2:11:07.400 --> 2:11:09.520 had weird bruises on his body for as long as 2:11:09.600 --> 2:11:14.120 I can remember, Toddel, Yeah, but no, like accounts were 2:11:14.160 --> 2:11:19.000 basically theorizing that like Putin poisoned Trump during their last meeting, 2:11:19.040 --> 2:11:21.000 and this is why he's in a rapid health decline. 2:11:21.120 --> 2:11:22.080 Oh my god, Why. 2:11:22.040 --> 2:11:24.040 Why would he need to do that? Why would that 2:11:24.160 --> 2:11:24.800 benefit him? 2:11:25.320 --> 2:11:26.080 So baffling. 2:11:26.440 --> 2:11:30.200 Yeah, when people noticed looking at the White House schedule, 2:11:30.240 --> 2:11:33.520 which they'd realized just existed a few days ago. But 2:11:33.920 --> 2:11:36.480 when looking on the schedule, they saw that quote unquote, 2:11:36.560 --> 2:11:40.480 the President was to give an announcement on Tuesday afternoon. 2:11:41.440 --> 2:11:43.480 Because of this, rumor spread that it would be Trump 2:11:43.680 --> 2:11:47.480 resigning for health reasons, or Vance would come out and 2:11:47.560 --> 2:11:50.720 announce Trump died and he was the president now, like 2:11:50.880 --> 2:11:52.320 some like really bad. 2:11:52.440 --> 2:11:54.000 Aaron Sorkin movie. 2:11:54.320 --> 2:11:55.120 That's how it works. 2:11:55.440 --> 2:11:57.240 Also, I just I just want to also put this 2:11:57.320 --> 2:12:00.960 out there. Yeah, that White House leaks like a fucking sieve. 2:12:01.080 --> 2:12:05.200 There is no way you could cover up the president 2:12:05.600 --> 2:12:10.520 dying without it being out immediately, Like come on, no. 2:12:11.080 --> 2:12:14.000 I'm sorry, like you, they couldn't keep it hidden when 2:12:14.040 --> 2:12:16.120 he got sick. You think they're gonna keep the fact 2:12:16.160 --> 2:12:18.720 that they're gonna weaken it Bernie's head ridiculous. 2:12:19.360 --> 2:12:19.560 Yeah. 2:12:20.520 --> 2:12:24.120 When this press conference got delayed an hour on Tuesday, 2:12:24.680 --> 2:12:28.160 this too was used as the evidence of Trump's declining health. 2:12:29.120 --> 2:12:33.080 But sure enough, right before three pm, Trump came out 2:12:33.120 --> 2:12:35.120 with a huge gaggle of people, which is probably why 2:12:35.160 --> 2:12:37.480 it was delayed, because he had like twenty guys with 2:12:37.600 --> 2:12:40.440 him who, like multiple people spoke to announce that they 2:12:40.440 --> 2:12:44.600 were moving Space Command. And Trump seemed normal. He seemed 2:12:44.680 --> 2:12:47.960 like normal Trump, like he is an old guy. But no, 2:12:48.280 --> 2:12:49.480 this was just normal Trump. 2:12:49.800 --> 2:12:50.000 Yeah. 2:12:50.680 --> 2:12:52.800 Does he seem older than he did in twenty sixteen? 2:12:52.920 --> 2:12:56.760 For sure, Man, it's like more wrinkled, but like, no, he's. 2:12:56.640 --> 2:13:00.000 Older exactly like he did before these conspiracy theories starts. 2:13:00.480 --> 2:13:02.560 Yeah, I mean he looks old, Like he looks older 2:13:02.640 --> 2:13:05.240 than he did ten years ago. Yeah, I'm just saying, oh. 2:13:05.200 --> 2:13:07.240 She's so much less coherent than then. But like, yeah, 2:13:07.240 --> 2:13:08.880 he's not like, yeah, dying. 2:13:10.040 --> 2:13:12.680 I don't have any particular reason to expect he's about 2:13:12.720 --> 2:13:15.760 to drop dead, like as opposed to like three months 2:13:15.800 --> 2:13:18.920 ago or six months ago, you know, yeah, Like does 2:13:18.960 --> 2:13:21.480 it appear as if time is continuing to march on 2:13:21.600 --> 2:13:22.040 his face? 2:13:22.200 --> 2:13:26.560 Yes, of course, you know exactly. During said press conference, 2:13:26.800 --> 2:13:31.800 Trump himself was asked about his alleged imminent demise and responded, 2:13:32.200 --> 2:13:32.680 like this a. 2:13:32.680 --> 2:13:36.160 Really different but about a big viral social media trend 2:13:36.200 --> 2:13:36.839 over the weekend. 2:13:37.560 --> 2:13:40.040 How did you find out over the weekend that you 2:13:40.120 --> 2:13:40.520 were dead? 2:13:42.160 --> 2:13:43.919 You see that people. 2:13:43.720 --> 2:13:44.840 Didn't see it for a couple of days. 2:13:44.920 --> 2:13:48.000 One point three million user engagements as of Saturday morning 2:13:48.040 --> 2:13:49.200 about your demise? 2:13:50.200 --> 2:13:54.080 Really, you know, I have heard it's sort of crazy. 2:13:54.160 --> 2:13:57.880 But last week I did numerous news conferences, all successful, 2:13:58.040 --> 2:13:59.960 they went very well, like this is going very well, 2:14:00.960 --> 2:14:03.440 and then I didn't do any for two days, and 2:14:03.520 --> 2:14:06.760 they said there must be something wrong with him. Biden 2:14:06.800 --> 2:14:09.440 wouldn't do him for months, you wouldn't see him, and 2:14:09.560 --> 2:14:12.000 nobody ever said there was ever anything wrong with him. 2:14:12.040 --> 2:14:13.360 And we know he wasn't in the. 2:14:13.400 --> 2:14:14.240 Greatest of shape. 2:14:14.680 --> 2:14:17.840 No, I heard that. I get reports, now you knew. 2:14:17.840 --> 2:14:20.200 I did an interview that lasted for about an hour 2:14:20.240 --> 2:14:22.680 and a half with somebody and everybody. So that was 2:14:22.760 --> 2:14:24.640 on one of your competitors. 2:14:25.200 --> 2:14:28.720 That's a remarkably coherent Trump by Trump's standards. 2:14:29.880 --> 2:14:32.240 Like no, and he's talking about how he was sending 2:14:32.280 --> 2:14:34.720 out very pointiant truths. 2:14:34.440 --> 2:14:37.840 Over the weekend on truth So okay, that's for current. 2:14:39.080 --> 2:14:39.280 Yeah. 2:14:41.720 --> 2:14:44.600 Yeah, he just took a nice little golfing golfing holiday 2:14:44.840 --> 2:14:47.080 and like it is, Drue. He is the oldest elected 2:14:47.080 --> 2:14:50.839 president and the White House recently announced he was diagnosed 2:14:50.880 --> 2:14:53.840 with chronic venus and sufficiency a few months ago to 2:14:53.920 --> 2:14:57.120 explain his ankle swelling and the bruises on his right 2:14:57.200 --> 2:14:59.400 hand have become more noticeable, which the White House is 2:14:59.440 --> 2:15:03.200 attributed to frequent handshaking and the use of aspirin. 2:15:04.880 --> 2:15:06.040 That is really funny. 2:15:06.360 --> 2:15:08.520 Yeah, he shook too many hands. 2:15:09.040 --> 2:15:10.760 He just can't stop shaking hands. 2:15:10.960 --> 2:15:12.680 That's actually hilarious. 2:15:13.520 --> 2:15:15.560 But the aspirin thing is is real and people of 2:15:15.600 --> 2:15:18.960 his age, frequent aspirin use can lead to hand bruising. Yeah, 2:15:19.720 --> 2:15:22.040 but I just finished up my blue and on research, 2:15:22.080 --> 2:15:24.120 and then this whole weekend as I was like literally 2:15:24.200 --> 2:15:27.800 finishing those episodes, this this whole, this whole giant wave 2:15:27.920 --> 2:15:31.000 of these like Trump health conspiracies just just completely took over, 2:15:31.080 --> 2:15:33.080 and I felt like I was like losing it. Like 2:15:33.280 --> 2:15:35.880 everyone around me, everyone around me was indulging this, and 2:15:36.000 --> 2:15:38.680 like usually from this place of like half. 2:15:38.560 --> 2:15:39.920 Joking but not really joking. 2:15:40.120 --> 2:15:43.200 Like when yeah, when that line gets blurry between are 2:15:43.280 --> 2:15:45.880 you indulging in this like ironically because it's fun, or 2:15:46.000 --> 2:15:48.720 does it is it actually kind of altering your brain? 2:15:48.800 --> 2:15:52.320 Like is it actually slowly making you convinced of this stuff? 2:15:52.400 --> 2:15:54.800 In like a small way, this gets to what is 2:15:54.840 --> 2:15:57.760 at the root of all conspiracy culture, regardless of like 2:15:57.880 --> 2:16:01.720 the political ideology, which is the need, the emotional need 2:16:02.320 --> 2:16:06.680 to believe that you are the possessor of secret knowledge. Yeah, right, 2:16:07.080 --> 2:16:09.120 like that that is so much a part of this 2:16:09.320 --> 2:16:11.800 that like no, no, no, I am privy to secrets 2:16:11.840 --> 2:16:14.680 about the world that the average person is not, and 2:16:14.760 --> 2:16:17.400 the degree to which that's like comforting and also emotionally 2:16:17.520 --> 2:16:19.920 necessary for quite a few people. And that's part of 2:16:19.960 --> 2:16:22.720 the problem with humoring this is that the instant you 2:16:22.920 --> 2:16:25.880 let it into your life, it starts taking more and 2:16:26.000 --> 2:16:28.600 more power because it becomes part of your ego, It 2:16:28.680 --> 2:16:32.480 becomes part of your coping mechanisms. It becomes like yeah, something, 2:16:32.600 --> 2:16:34.320 but you become dependent upon it. 2:16:35.200 --> 2:16:37.160 Yeah, and I think it's also word noting. Like, you know, 2:16:37.280 --> 2:16:41.480 people are confused all the time about how does the 2:16:41.560 --> 2:16:43.600 right come to believe all of these things? How does 2:16:43.640 --> 2:16:46.840 the right sort of you know, like, how how does 2:16:46.879 --> 2:16:50.879 like vaccine conspiracism spread? How does like QAnon spread? It's 2:16:50.879 --> 2:16:53.960 like it spreads like this, Uh right, this is what 2:16:54.120 --> 2:16:56.880 it looks like. And you're also not immune to it 2:16:57.040 --> 2:17:00.440 just because your politics are better. It's still really really 2:17:00.480 --> 2:17:03.720 easy to fall down those pathways because they're addictive and fun, 2:17:04.720 --> 2:17:08.879 and that's spreading so much unhinged shit. 2:17:09.280 --> 2:17:09.520 Yeah. 2:17:10.040 --> 2:17:12.320 The root of a lot of madness comes with thinking 2:17:12.400 --> 2:17:16.080 that you're better than other people and you're not. 2:17:16.840 --> 2:17:19.560 Cognitively, I can play around with this stuff without it 2:17:19.640 --> 2:17:22.480 affecting me the way to fix other people mm hmm. 2:17:22.720 --> 2:17:26.360 Yeah, or just because this is because the politics of 2:17:26.480 --> 2:17:30.560 this counter factual belief system are better than their counterfactual 2:17:30.600 --> 2:17:33.680 belief system. This is not a counterfactual belief system totally. 2:17:33.760 --> 2:17:36.600 Yeah, And like when we see this with the way 2:17:36.680 --> 2:17:39.240 some people talk about like Russia, and like, I've faced 2:17:39.400 --> 2:17:41.720 a little teeny bit of pushback on some of the 2:17:41.800 --> 2:17:43.800 ways that I was framing like Russia Gate in the 2:17:43.840 --> 2:17:46.840 Blue and on episodes, and like, there is a difference 2:17:47.000 --> 2:17:51.560 between a social media disinformation campaign to influence elections, which 2:17:51.879 --> 2:17:52.720 Russia does, Like we. 2:17:52.959 --> 2:17:55.640 Know this absolutely, that's not in question whatsoever. 2:17:55.840 --> 2:17:59.360 Yeah, there's a difference between that and like straightforwardly stealing, yeah, 2:17:59.440 --> 2:18:02.359 an election in such a manner that the election results 2:18:02.440 --> 2:18:04.600 are themselves illegitimate, right. 2:18:04.879 --> 2:18:08.080 And this is the big question always if you're saying, like, no, 2:18:08.200 --> 2:18:11.160 they literally did steal this election in the twenty sixteen 2:18:11.200 --> 2:18:13.120 election the like, but they just like fucked up for 2:18:13.200 --> 2:18:15.160 twenty twenty. They just like couldn't get their shit together 2:18:15.200 --> 2:18:17.440 and time for that one, Like what or is it 2:18:17.560 --> 2:18:21.240 that they have influence campaigns like everyone else and they're influence, 2:18:21.280 --> 2:18:23.320 Like that doesn't mean saying that they're not problems, but 2:18:23.400 --> 2:18:26.279 it doesn't it doesn't mean pretending that's the only. 2:18:26.200 --> 2:18:27.960 Reason shit broke their way, you know. 2:18:28.400 --> 2:18:31.200 In part A big reason why things worked the way 2:18:31.240 --> 2:18:32.840 that they have and have worked the way that they 2:18:32.920 --> 2:18:36.800 have is that the disinfo campaigns that Russia, that the 2:18:36.879 --> 2:18:40.680 Russian government was engaged and were complementary to campaigns of 2:18:40.720 --> 2:18:43.080 disinformation that have existed for decades in the US. 2:18:43.200 --> 2:18:45.840 Right, Yeah, look at the way they were funding right 2:18:45.879 --> 2:18:47.680 wing content creators through Tenet Media. 2:18:47.840 --> 2:18:48.000 Right. 2:18:48.920 --> 2:18:51.480 And like, you know, same thing with Trump, Like publicly 2:18:51.600 --> 2:18:54.080 encouraging Russia is not the same thing as actual collusion. 2:18:54.520 --> 2:18:56.879 And there is no clear indication that the twenty sixteen 2:18:57.240 --> 2:19:00.320 Russian influenced operations or even like their acts sing of 2:19:00.520 --> 2:19:04.560 voter registration actually made a meaningful impact on the results 2:19:04.640 --> 2:19:06.760 of the election. And this is the same thing with 2:19:07.080 --> 2:19:10.879 you know, like the rights legal methods of voter disenfranchisement, 2:19:11.000 --> 2:19:14.280 voter suppression or changing mail in voting rules. Right, there's 2:19:14.320 --> 2:19:18.080 that versus talking about like hacking voting machines. Right, the 2:19:18.240 --> 2:19:22.200 former doesn't mean that the election was quote unquote stolen. 2:19:22.440 --> 2:19:25.320 Now just because they do voter suppression, right, the results 2:19:25.400 --> 2:19:28.800 still need to be accepted. Like, that's not illegal election interference. 2:19:28.959 --> 2:19:31.440 It's not good, we should we should oppose it. Yeah, 2:19:31.440 --> 2:19:33.680 but it's not a legal election interference. And like this 2:19:33.840 --> 2:19:36.920 is kind of just like a coping method that passes 2:19:36.959 --> 2:19:40.600 the buck to avoid accepting that Republicans were better at 2:19:40.680 --> 2:19:44.080 winning these elections, and it may be emotionally easier to 2:19:44.160 --> 2:19:46.960 like blame Russia than to actually like reflect on ourselves. 2:19:47.440 --> 2:19:49.760 And I've seen the same thing when people talking about 2:19:49.800 --> 2:19:53.200 how for the twenty twenty four election on election day 2:19:53.240 --> 2:19:56.240 there were bomb threats to swing state polling places that 2:19:56.360 --> 2:19:58.760 were traced back to Russia, and like, while this is 2:19:58.920 --> 2:20:02.959 nominally true, this did not influence the result of that election. 2:20:03.360 --> 2:20:05.320 And then this can very quickly devolve into like just 2:20:05.360 --> 2:20:08.520 like basically like just asking questions right, like you can't 2:20:08.640 --> 2:20:11.760 prove a negative, and this just turns into like a 2:20:11.879 --> 2:20:15.080 very cartoon version of understanding reality, like with like people 2:20:15.120 --> 2:20:19.240 in ski masks fixing elections or changing votes, or like 2:20:19.320 --> 2:20:23.560 hackers compromising election like voting machines, instead of just accepting 2:20:23.600 --> 2:20:25.200 that a lot of people voted for Trump and he 2:20:25.320 --> 2:20:26.200 won well. 2:20:26.240 --> 2:20:28.120 And it's the part of the other problem is that 2:20:28.600 --> 2:20:32.520 I think when you lose yourself in patterns of thinking 2:20:32.680 --> 2:20:36.880 like this, it also leads to a failure to accurately 2:20:37.600 --> 2:20:41.000 gauge the strengths and the capacities of the enemy, Like 2:20:41.120 --> 2:20:44.960 if you're unwilling to see where they've made smart decisions 2:20:45.400 --> 2:20:48.119 and where they've made good investments that have paid off 2:20:48.160 --> 2:20:52.240 for them. Then you are unable to follow and properly 2:20:52.360 --> 2:20:54.560 counter those kinds of things. And I think part of 2:20:54.600 --> 2:20:56.920 why this is so difficult is that so many people, 2:20:57.280 --> 2:20:59.160 so many liberals and people on the left. 2:20:59.240 --> 2:20:59.640 I don't think. 2:20:59.760 --> 2:21:01.840 I think think both sides have differences in how they 2:21:01.959 --> 2:21:03.840 do it, but I don't think there's a massive difference 2:21:03.879 --> 2:21:05.920 in the degree to which either side does it. But 2:21:06.400 --> 2:21:08.840 you find on both ends of the political spectrum this 2:21:09.280 --> 2:21:12.440 emotional need to be like, these people are idiots, And 2:21:13.000 --> 2:21:15.000 the corelating factor with that is that like, and I'm 2:21:15.080 --> 2:21:18.120 not right, Like I'm smarter because I'm not one of 2:21:18.200 --> 2:21:20.400 these people, because I'm not one of these like fools 2:21:20.400 --> 2:21:24.520 who buys into this right wing propaganda. And you're if 2:21:24.560 --> 2:21:26.600 you're more obsessed with that than you are with seeing 2:21:26.720 --> 2:21:30.160 where your enemy has made smart decisions, then you're going 2:21:30.240 --> 2:21:33.080 to continue getting dunked on by them endlessly. You get blindside. 2:21:33.160 --> 2:21:35.120 And that's that's where we are right now. People are 2:21:35.160 --> 2:21:38.440 getting dunked on repeatedly because they refuse to see the 2:21:38.560 --> 2:21:42.160 things that Trump does that are based in actual intelligence, 2:21:42.320 --> 2:21:44.000 and the things that the far right has done, the 2:21:44.040 --> 2:21:46.440 things the Republican Party is of the architects of this 2:21:46.600 --> 2:21:49.560 movement have done that have been successful. You know who 2:21:49.640 --> 2:21:54.200 else is successful? Genius the products that support this podcast. Yeah, 2:21:54.240 --> 2:22:07.600 that's right, and we are bad. 2:22:09.400 --> 2:22:12.320 So. On Tuesday, the mayor of DC ordered that the 2:22:12.440 --> 2:22:17.440 city will continue cooperating with federal law enforcement past the 2:22:17.600 --> 2:22:22.480 expiration date of Trump's Crime Emergency Declaration, which is set 2:22:22.520 --> 2:22:27.480 for September tenth. She has established the quote Safe and 2:22:27.800 --> 2:22:34.160 Beautiful Emergency Operations Center. She's for DC to indefinitely coordinate 2:22:34.200 --> 2:22:38.240 with Trump's Safe and Beautiful Task Force. This is like 2:22:38.320 --> 2:22:42.000 a caving and like an acquiescence to prevent some kind 2:22:42.000 --> 2:22:45.720 of larger legal fight over Trump's ability to exert power 2:22:45.840 --> 2:22:48.480 over DC. It's giving him a little bit of what 2:22:48.680 --> 2:22:53.600 he wants while trying to maintain a degree of sovereignty, 2:22:53.959 --> 2:22:55.720 but in doing so you kind of just play into 2:22:56.240 --> 2:22:57.360 what he actually wants. 2:22:57.400 --> 2:22:57.879 In the end. 2:22:58.840 --> 2:23:03.400 This Operations Center will work on quote centralized communications, formulate 2:23:03.480 --> 2:23:06.960 post emergency planning and operations, and ensure coordination with federal 2:23:07.000 --> 2:23:10.160 law enforcement to the maximum extent allowable by law within 2:23:10.280 --> 2:23:16.080 the district. Later in her order, she quote unquote requests 2:23:17.040 --> 2:23:22.680 that federal partners adhere to effective community policing practices to 2:23:22.800 --> 2:23:26.160 maintain community confidence in law enforcements, such as by not 2:23:26.280 --> 2:23:30.040 wearing masks, clearly identifying their agency, and providing identification during 2:23:30.080 --> 2:23:32.080 arrests and encounters with the public. 2:23:33.240 --> 2:23:33.520 Quote. 2:23:33.600 --> 2:23:36.360 The Safe and Beautiful Emergency Operations Center will continue to 2:23:36.400 --> 2:23:40.800 prioritize DC National Guard for typical mission focused activities unquote. 2:23:41.120 --> 2:23:46.000 So they are requesting that federal partners not wear masks. 2:23:46.040 --> 2:23:48.920 And that's kind of the strongest amount of pushback the 2:23:49.040 --> 2:23:53.320 mayor is allowing in regards to Trump's federal control of 2:23:53.520 --> 2:23:55.160 over law enforcement in DC. 2:23:55.600 --> 2:23:57.040 Great, that'll solve it. 2:23:57.440 --> 2:24:01.400 In a wild band. I said that like, one of 2:24:01.480 --> 2:24:04.800 the most important sources of support that the Trump administration 2:24:04.959 --> 2:24:07.600 has is a bunch of the democratic mayors and governors, 2:24:07.800 --> 2:24:10.560 and oh boy, is this one of them. 2:24:10.920 --> 2:24:11.120 Yeah. 2:24:11.879 --> 2:24:16.280 Uh. However, it's worth noting that this has not been 2:24:16.360 --> 2:24:20.840 the response of all of the democratic governors. And I 2:24:21.000 --> 2:24:24.480 think we're going to turn here towards the impending occupation 2:24:24.560 --> 2:24:30.000 of Chicago. So Trump has said that he is going 2:24:30.120 --> 2:24:33.480 to deploy the National Guard to Chicago, ostensibly also because 2:24:33.520 --> 2:24:38.160 of crime. As of two thirty two Pacific time on Wednesday, 2:24:38.240 --> 2:24:41.640 the third, we don't have a timeline for the National 2:24:41.680 --> 2:24:44.879 Guard deployment that could change. The situation is evolving rapidly. 2:24:45.520 --> 2:24:47.680 We will get you more on a second. We also 2:24:47.720 --> 2:24:51.000 have conflicting reports where Illinois Governor J. B. Pritzker has 2:24:51.040 --> 2:24:56.040 said that the Texas National Guard is being staged to 2:24:56.520 --> 2:24:58.920 sort of participate in the sort of occupation of Chicago. 2:25:00.160 --> 2:25:03.920 It has denied this. We sort of don't know what 2:25:04.120 --> 2:25:07.120 exactly is going on with that, but it is worth 2:25:07.200 --> 2:25:10.560 noting that both Governor Pritzker and Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson 2:25:10.640 --> 2:25:12.680 have been very very clear that they do not want 2:25:12.720 --> 2:25:16.280 a federal deployment in Chicago. They have said go home. 2:25:17.520 --> 2:25:21.240 There isn't really because this is a federal deployment, There 2:25:21.320 --> 2:25:25.600 isn't really much they can do about it outside of 2:25:26.400 --> 2:25:29.039 legal stuff. And the Trump administration has been a lot 2:25:29.120 --> 2:25:31.880 more careful about this, and they were in la in 2:25:31.959 --> 2:25:35.279 terms of how they're doing the deployments legally. So we'll 2:25:35.320 --> 2:25:41.520 see what happens with the National Guard deployments. However, and 2:25:41.680 --> 2:25:43.640 this is something that I think is getting very very 2:25:43.680 --> 2:25:46.320 little coverage, which is that the actual threat model on 2:25:46.440 --> 2:25:50.400 the ground in Chicago and the day this is going up. 2:25:50.480 --> 2:25:53.160 We will have run in an interview the day before 2:25:53.320 --> 2:25:56.199 with Raven who's a journalist from the Chicago based outlet 2:25:56.280 --> 2:26:01.520 Unraveled about what the respect bonds in Chicago has been 2:26:01.640 --> 2:26:03.440 to all of this, and how people are repairing in 2:26:03.480 --> 2:26:06.080 what the threat model is. The actual thing people are 2:26:06.120 --> 2:26:09.000 worried about in Chicago is not the National Guard so much. 2:26:09.760 --> 2:26:12.800 It is the deployment of federal agents from Homeland Security, 2:26:12.920 --> 2:26:16.480 including ICE in the border patrol. Very very specifically. Their 2:26:16.560 --> 2:26:19.280 is significant concern about border patrol because while there has 2:26:19.360 --> 2:26:22.000 been ICE operation in the city and it's obviously very bad, 2:26:22.120 --> 2:26:24.640 as we sort of talk about, there really hasn't been 2:26:24.840 --> 2:26:28.840 any significant border patrol deployments and that seems like it's 2:26:29.160 --> 2:26:32.160 about to start as an indication of how fast the 2:26:32.240 --> 2:26:36.879 situation is moving. So that interview was recorded Wednesday morning, 2:26:37.360 --> 2:26:40.440 September third, Yeah, September third. In the time between that 2:26:40.560 --> 2:26:43.600 recording and now, which was maybe three hours, we got 2:26:43.680 --> 2:26:47.920 more information about the federal deployment. So the Sun Times 2:26:48.760 --> 2:26:54.400 is reporting, based on reports from government officials, that two 2:26:54.600 --> 2:26:59.680 hundred and thirty agents, including border patrol, are being sent 2:27:00.040 --> 2:27:04.240 from LA to Chicago. Thirty agents are already here. They've 2:27:04.280 --> 2:27:08.080 been doing training in anti riot stuff with flash bangs. 2:27:08.840 --> 2:27:12.640 They've also apparently moved one hundred and forty unmarked vans 2:27:13.480 --> 2:27:17.680 to this naval base not really in Chicago. We'll get 2:27:17.680 --> 2:27:19.760 to that in a second, but they've moved one hundred 2:27:19.760 --> 2:27:21.920 and forty un marked vans to do these kind of raids. 2:27:22.040 --> 2:27:24.520 This very much suggests that they're going to do the 2:27:24.600 --> 2:27:28.280 kind of smashing grab raids we've been seeing in LA. 2:27:29.160 --> 2:27:31.680 That's the thing people are very worried about. And we've 2:27:31.760 --> 2:27:34.440 seen you know, tiktoks from the senior leadership with the 2:27:34.440 --> 2:27:36.760 Border Patrol talking about how their talks. 2:27:36.959 --> 2:27:38.360 I know it's it's bleak. 2:27:39.080 --> 2:27:41.920 Yeah, no, literally, it's like it's it's tick talks of 2:27:42.320 --> 2:27:46.199 him going like we're trading our palm trees for skyscrapers. Jeez, 2:27:46.959 --> 2:27:49.480 it's really bad. It seems like they're going to be 2:27:49.480 --> 2:27:51.600 deploying the kind of smashing grab raids they did in LA. 2:27:52.320 --> 2:27:54.480 But comment there's one final thing I want to get to. 2:27:55.320 --> 2:27:59.240 This naval base is not really in Chicago. It is 2:27:59.640 --> 2:28:02.200 really far north of Evanstone, which is like a thing 2:28:02.280 --> 2:28:05.400 that's like not Chicago's like this naval base that they're 2:28:05.440 --> 2:28:10.000 deploying from is closer to Kenosha than it is like Noosha, Wisconsin, 2:28:10.040 --> 2:28:13.920 than it is to like even the north side of Chicago. 2:28:14.040 --> 2:28:18.160 It's like really really far north again, like even getting 2:28:18.280 --> 2:28:21.280 to I mean neighborhoods that are pretty far north, it's 2:28:21.320 --> 2:28:23.959 like an hour out right. It is mult a multiple 2:28:24.080 --> 2:28:27.600 hour drive into the center of the city, so it's 2:28:27.640 --> 2:28:30.199 going to be kind of difficult for them to deploy 2:28:30.959 --> 2:28:32.280 in the middle of the city. This is something I 2:28:32.320 --> 2:28:34.920 talked about with Raven. It looks like they're trying to 2:28:35.000 --> 2:28:38.879 hit the more outlining areas more with raids because those 2:28:38.959 --> 2:28:41.800 areas are less well defended and there's not as much 2:28:41.840 --> 2:28:45.280 sort of rapid reaction stuff there. That's sort of what 2:28:45.440 --> 2:28:50.680 this looks like. People are preparing because I guess there's 2:28:50.720 --> 2:28:52.960 one more important thing, which at the naval base is 2:28:52.959 --> 2:28:55.039 where they're running their operations out of. But the naval 2:28:55.040 --> 2:28:59.240 base has declined the request to house them, so they're 2:28:59.240 --> 2:29:01.400 probably gonna be in hell seop We're going to target those, 2:29:01.520 --> 2:29:05.040 but yeah, that's that's where things are at as of Wednesday. 2:29:06.120 --> 2:29:10.160 They're staging in this weird naval base that is really 2:29:10.560 --> 2:29:13.080 not close to the city. 2:29:13.879 --> 2:29:17.040 Yeah, I mean the real focus on this anti crime 2:29:17.280 --> 2:29:20.879 crackdown is also a way to like trojan horse slightly 2:29:20.959 --> 2:29:25.480 obscured ICE operations. And when Nacheler talking about like National 2:29:25.560 --> 2:29:29.400 Guard deployments to cities nationwide, the actual main mode that 2:29:29.640 --> 2:29:32.160 National Guard will be operating in is logistical and like 2:29:32.320 --> 2:29:36.120 like PaperWorks support for ICE operations. Yep, at least for 2:29:36.160 --> 2:29:40.160 these like broader nationwide deployments. With these specific deployment in 2:29:40.200 --> 2:29:44.680 DC and in Chicago, there's there's more preparation for like 2:29:45.120 --> 2:29:48.240 carrying out ordinary law enforcement actions. But those actions also 2:29:48.320 --> 2:29:52.480 exist in coordination with immigration crackdowns, and like that's a 2:29:52.560 --> 2:29:55.200 lot of what these like more militarized occupations are going 2:29:55.280 --> 2:29:58.320 to be focused on. Yeah, and it's worth noting, like 2:29:59.040 --> 2:30:01.720 just logistically, like they're not going to be sending the 2:30:01.800 --> 2:30:05.800 Guard into the parts of Chicago where they're like aret 2:30:06.000 --> 2:30:08.280 is crime sometimes, although again it's worth noting crime rates 2:30:08.320 --> 2:30:11.000 that waged fuck down. Yeah, But also like every story 2:30:11.000 --> 2:30:12.959 about this is like, oh, there were shootings over the weekend, 2:30:13.000 --> 2:30:17.800 and it's like, yeah, it's not good, but like the 2:30:17.920 --> 2:30:20.160 National Guard is not going to be deployed to stop shootings. 2:30:20.160 --> 2:30:23.080 They literally can't get there. Again, It's like no, three 2:30:23.160 --> 2:30:24.120 hours out. 2:30:24.440 --> 2:30:26.879 No, they can't get to the north side of Chicago. 2:30:27.040 --> 2:30:28.920 And as as we all know from the song Bad 2:30:29.000 --> 2:30:31.599 Bad Lee broy Brown, the south side of Chicago. 2:30:31.320 --> 2:30:32.360 Is the baddest part of town. 2:30:32.600 --> 2:30:33.760 Jesus Christ. 2:30:34.200 --> 2:30:35.040 I'm just gonna ignore that. 2:30:35.120 --> 2:30:36.400 Uh huh, yeah, you should just ignore that. 2:30:36.600 --> 2:30:38.200 There are places in Norset that they could deploy. But 2:30:38.360 --> 2:30:41.200 if you're trying to get to the actual south side, 2:30:41.280 --> 2:30:43.720 it is at least a three hour drive. And that's 2:30:43.760 --> 2:30:46.480 like assuming that, like the traffic isn't bad, Like it's 2:30:46.480 --> 2:30:49.440 at least three hours. It's possibly larger than that. I 2:30:50.720 --> 2:30:52.880 I didn't even bother checking it because I looked at 2:30:52.879 --> 2:30:54.680 where this was and I was like, this is basically 2:30:54.720 --> 2:30:57.960 in Wisconsin, what are we doing here? So like this 2:30:58.160 --> 2:31:00.000 is you know, this is this is Gys Garson say, 2:31:00.160 --> 2:31:02.200 this is a this is a giant show force thing, 2:31:02.400 --> 2:31:05.640 and it's but it's mostly just this is the sort 2:31:05.640 --> 2:31:08.039 of shock and all thing to frame this as crime 2:31:08.400 --> 2:31:12.600 so that people aren't focusing on and obviously like it's 2:31:12.640 --> 2:31:15.000 bad having just like troops in the streets, but like 2:31:15.720 --> 2:31:18.200 the ice enforcement and the border patrol deployment is what 2:31:18.640 --> 2:31:19.800 the actual threat is here? 2:31:20.000 --> 2:31:24.480 And yeah, and like, Yeah, Depentagon and the Trump badmen 2:31:24.560 --> 2:31:26.600 are planning a lot of different scenarios that they would 2:31:26.720 --> 2:31:30.080 like to enact. But Trump's actual comments on like a larger, 2:31:30.200 --> 2:31:32.640 like military style deployment to Chicago had been a little 2:31:32.680 --> 2:31:35.600 bit flip floppy. I think they're still trying to reach 2:31:35.720 --> 2:31:39.280 some kind of deal to like work with the local 2:31:39.360 --> 2:31:42.400 government and state governments in a way that is less 2:31:42.760 --> 2:31:46.720 bombastic than like a like a completely like adversarial deployment 2:31:47.000 --> 2:31:47.400 would be. 2:31:47.760 --> 2:31:47.960 Yeah. 2:31:48.240 --> 2:31:51.600 Even that that press conference where the shambling corpse of 2:31:51.640 --> 2:31:55.840 Trump made an appearance, his comments about the possibility of 2:31:55.840 --> 2:31:59.800 the plot of to Chicago is seemed still pretty explorer 2:31:59.840 --> 2:32:04.080 to There's still there's still like conversations being had about 2:32:04.240 --> 2:32:07.000 how to actually do this. They are not as as 2:32:07.080 --> 2:32:10.320 brazen as what they were in LA, and they don't 2:32:10.360 --> 2:32:12.680 have as much justification to do what they did in 2:32:12.800 --> 2:32:15.640 DC to a city like Chicago. So they're still trying 2:32:15.640 --> 2:32:17.840 to work out some kind of deal with like the 2:32:17.920 --> 2:32:18.760 local governments. 2:32:19.120 --> 2:32:21.480 Yeah, and it's really unclear to me that they're going 2:32:21.520 --> 2:32:23.800 to be able to reach a deal with Brendon Johnson 2:32:24.200 --> 2:32:25.920 and with Pritzker, who's leading it. 2:32:26.200 --> 2:32:28.920 It seems that Brandon Johnson's less willing to work with 2:32:28.959 --> 2:32:30.720 Trump on this than the mayor of d C, so 2:32:31.200 --> 2:32:33.000 props to him for that, I guess. 2:32:33.560 --> 2:32:33.760 Yeah. 2:32:34.360 --> 2:32:37.119 Yeah, And it's just also a thing where Brandon Johnson 2:32:37.240 --> 2:32:42.080 is like very deeply unpopular in Chicago. However, comma actual 2:32:42.160 --> 2:32:45.680 federal deployment there is so unpopular that you have you 2:32:45.760 --> 2:32:47.959 have the fact that The Sun Times is pointing out 2:32:48.080 --> 2:32:50.039 in their reporting of this that crime reach are down, 2:32:50.040 --> 2:32:52.720 which they have never done, like ever, That's not a 2:32:52.800 --> 2:32:55.960 thing they ever talk about. It's so unpopular that there 2:32:56.080 --> 2:32:59.560 is really really significant pressure on both Pritzker and Johnson 2:32:59.680 --> 2:33:02.520 not do this, and you know, maybe they cave. I 2:33:02.600 --> 2:33:04.160 have I have a kind of low opinion of them 2:33:04.240 --> 2:33:07.080 from like my like time in the city doing politics there. 2:33:07.920 --> 2:33:10.080 But I don't think they're going to cave on this, No, 2:33:10.280 --> 2:33:12.600 And I think what that means is that it's mostly 2:33:12.680 --> 2:33:16.959 going to be the homeland security like ice border patrol deployments. 2:33:17.080 --> 2:33:20.480 Yeah, because Chicago does fall into our very loose definition 2:33:20.640 --> 2:33:21.520 of like a border. 2:33:21.400 --> 2:33:25.080 Town, h yes, which most towns are. 2:33:25.400 --> 2:33:27.199 Yeah yeah yeah. 2:33:27.400 --> 2:33:29.119 Speaking of JB. 2:33:29.240 --> 2:33:32.879 Pritzker, I mean he has a lot of corporate interests. 2:33:32.920 --> 2:33:35.000 He may have stock in one of the companies advertising 2:33:35.040 --> 2:33:36.600 on our show. They have no way of knowing. 2:33:48.480 --> 2:33:48.879 We'll back. 2:33:49.720 --> 2:33:51.200 I just got a text from JB. 2:33:51.320 --> 2:33:55.279 Pritzker was recruiting for the private People's Militia to defend 2:33:55.720 --> 2:33:57.600 the free municipality of Chicago. 2:33:58.360 --> 2:34:01.560 So he's recruiting horse archer for thees. 2:34:01.920 --> 2:34:02.120 Yeah. 2:34:02.320 --> 2:34:06.199 Yeah, you've got to be able to loose twelve arrows 2:34:06.240 --> 2:34:09.000 a minute from the back of a war pony in 2:34:09.160 --> 2:34:11.280 order to in order to make the make the cut. 2:34:11.840 --> 2:34:14.520 Protesters did shoot arrows at the cops at Hong Kong, 2:34:15.040 --> 2:34:17.280 so it's not it's not without precedent. 2:34:17.440 --> 2:34:19.880 Yes they did. Yes, they did at the university. Yeah. 2:34:20.520 --> 2:34:23.240 Well, and you know, if if Florida National Guard deploys 2:34:23.280 --> 2:34:26.080 to Illinois, they may be able to use biological warfare 2:34:26.240 --> 2:34:29.800 because the Florida Surgeon General has just vowed to end 2:34:30.360 --> 2:34:34.560 all of the state's vaccine mandates, equitting them with slavery 2:34:34.640 --> 2:34:39.360 amazing stuff, not just the COVID mandates, all vaccine mandates 2:34:39.440 --> 2:34:41.800 across this state. After he announced this, he got like 2:34:42.120 --> 2:34:46.360 over thirty seconds of applause, like NonStop. I will play 2:34:46.400 --> 2:34:48.640 a little bit of the end of this announcement. 2:34:49.160 --> 2:34:49.560 M hmm. 2:34:50.160 --> 2:34:53.600 Every last one of them is wrong and drips with 2:34:53.800 --> 2:35:00.200 disdain and and slavery. Okay, who am I as a 2:35:00.240 --> 2:35:03.240 government or anyone else? Or who am I is a 2:35:03.320 --> 2:35:07.040 man standing here now to tell you what you should 2:35:07.120 --> 2:35:12.440 put in your body? Who am I to tell you 2:35:13.040 --> 2:35:15.240 what your child should put in your body? 2:35:17.040 --> 2:35:21.240 I don't have that right. Your body, your. 2:35:21.160 --> 2:35:23.280 Body is a gift from God. 2:35:23.920 --> 2:35:27.880 You really wanted to say, your body, your choice, what 2:35:28.040 --> 2:35:31.880 you put into your body is because of your relationship. 2:35:31.480 --> 2:35:32.760 With your body and your God. 2:35:33.640 --> 2:35:37.080 I don't have that right. Oh really, oh really? Oh wow, 2:35:37.720 --> 2:35:41.920 unless it's trans healthcare, which case you simply cannot a 2:35:42.000 --> 2:35:45.240 little on the nose there, God, Yeah, it's frankly wild. 2:35:45.720 --> 2:35:52.720 Yeah, motherfucker. It's like it's like that commercial. 2:35:52.480 --> 2:35:54.520 That was I don't know, you might be too young 2:35:54.560 --> 2:35:54.680 for this. 2:35:54.760 --> 2:35:57.320 Guess there's this commercial with this this old man with 2:35:57.440 --> 2:35:59.359 like a dollar on a fishing. 2:35:59.080 --> 2:36:02.120 Rod going almost got it. It's literally that. 2:36:02.520 --> 2:36:06.880 It's literally that no, very close into walking into a 2:36:06.959 --> 2:36:10.400 full body autonomy argument there, even though you know, for 2:36:10.480 --> 2:36:14.200 reproductive healthcare that is unrelated to general public health, which 2:36:14.200 --> 2:36:16.960 is why these mandates exist, which can affect people besides you. 2:36:17.520 --> 2:36:17.720 Yep. 2:36:19.320 --> 2:36:21.520 Ron Santas announced and during the same press conference the 2:36:21.600 --> 2:36:25.520 creation of Florida's own Make America Healthy Again Commission, which 2:36:25.560 --> 2:36:29.720 will enforce Robert F. Kennedy's policies to the fullest extent 2:36:30.280 --> 2:36:31.000 in their state. 2:36:31.440 --> 2:36:34.880 Grand he was the least charismatic person we saw speak 2:36:34.959 --> 2:36:38.200 at the RNC last year, just saying yeah, Desantas, Yeah, 2:36:38.240 --> 2:36:39.039 in my opinion. 2:36:39.040 --> 2:36:43.480 No, no, who was worse? Jd Vance? Vance was there 2:36:43.720 --> 2:36:46.800 that that lady did fall asleep. 2:36:47.560 --> 2:36:51.680 Man, and people people were outwardly contemptuous of Vans at 2:36:51.760 --> 2:36:55.039 the RNC, like like Republicans were contemptuous. 2:36:55.360 --> 2:36:58.480 But remember the women for trouble, the woman who fell 2:36:58.480 --> 2:37:01.320 asleep next to us, the advanced speech. 2:37:01.200 --> 2:37:02.920 And then mold he's so dry. 2:37:03.640 --> 2:37:05.240 Yeah, yeah, that was really good. 2:37:05.680 --> 2:37:05.880 Yeah. 2:37:06.520 --> 2:37:09.959 But I would say DeSantis is a solid number two. 2:37:10.120 --> 2:37:11.119 Maybe abbot three. 2:37:11.640 --> 2:37:12.000 I don't know. 2:37:12.680 --> 2:37:15.200 Maybe they should have got a vaccine to boost their 2:37:15.280 --> 2:37:16.920 charismas dats that's right. 2:37:16.840 --> 2:37:17.600 That's how that works. 2:37:17.760 --> 2:37:20.640 Yeah, lax Aura, So. 2:37:20.800 --> 2:37:22.440 This is really dangerous. This is going to put a 2:37:22.480 --> 2:37:26.680 whole bunch of kids in harm's way. Yeah, worrying trend. 2:37:27.040 --> 2:37:27.280 Yeah. 2:37:28.040 --> 2:37:30.880 I'm going to talk a little bit about Ukraine. Ukraine 2:37:31.040 --> 2:37:34.879 specifically kind of the present situation of the war in Ukraine. 2:37:35.000 --> 2:37:39.039 Just kind of another little update, because people catch little 2:37:39.080 --> 2:37:41.920 bits here and there on the news about what's happening, 2:37:42.120 --> 2:37:45.280 and I think felt like we should probably update people 2:37:45.480 --> 2:37:47.880 as to like what's been going on. Kind of the 2:37:47.959 --> 2:37:51.360 most recent news you've probably heard is that Russian forces 2:37:51.440 --> 2:37:55.760 have been advancing in the Dnetsk Oblast and recently broke 2:37:55.840 --> 2:37:59.959 into an eighth region of Ukraine and started taking villages 2:38:00.320 --> 2:38:03.440 in the d naipro Petrovsk region, which is like a 2:38:03.520 --> 2:38:06.880 major industrial center that's next to the Denet region, where 2:38:07.280 --> 2:38:11.199 Russian soldiers had not been recently. At this point, gains 2:38:11.320 --> 2:38:13.640 in this new region by Russia have been seemed to 2:38:13.720 --> 2:38:17.520 be fairly minimal. They've entered two villages in the eastern 2:38:17.600 --> 2:38:20.880 part of the region. The Russian Defense Ministry claims that 2:38:20.920 --> 2:38:24.080 they captured both of the villages. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry 2:38:24.160 --> 2:38:26.680 has said, well, they're in the area and they're basically 2:38:26.800 --> 2:38:29.840 contesting them, but they haven't entrenched or built fortifications, like 2:38:29.959 --> 2:38:33.840 fighting is ongoing. I'm sure neither country is giving out 2:38:33.879 --> 2:38:36.480 perfectly accurate data, but it seems certainly fair to say 2:38:36.640 --> 2:38:40.080 and verifiable to say that Russia has made an incursion 2:38:40.120 --> 2:38:43.960 into this region, and the fighting is ongoing, however solid 2:38:44.040 --> 2:38:46.760 their gains may or may not be. This is not 2:38:46.959 --> 2:38:50.680 the entirety of what's going on in the conflict overall. 2:38:51.200 --> 2:38:54.120 The basically the whole line of contact with Russia, which 2:38:54.120 --> 2:38:56.720 is about one thousand miles long, is in play at 2:38:56.800 --> 2:39:00.400 the moment, but there have not been like massive gains 2:39:00.520 --> 2:39:03.360 over the last couple of months, And in fact, as 2:39:03.440 --> 2:39:06.720 of August of twenty twenty five, Russian forces occupied about 2:39:06.800 --> 2:39:10.920 nineteen percent of Ukrainian territory. They first hit nineteen percent 2:39:11.040 --> 2:39:14.480 back in October of twenty twenty two, right before Ukrainian 2:39:14.560 --> 2:39:17.960 forces liberated a large chunk of the Kersan Oblast. So 2:39:18.680 --> 2:39:22.240 basically what we're seeing here is Russian forces reached this 2:39:22.440 --> 2:39:26.680 peak like three years ago, a Ukrainian counter offensive pushed 2:39:26.760 --> 2:39:29.920 them back, and over the last three years Russian forces 2:39:29.959 --> 2:39:31.600 have kind of clawed their way back to where they 2:39:31.680 --> 2:39:34.480 were near the end of twenty twenty two. Right if 2:39:34.480 --> 2:39:36.760 you're looking for like what is the overall progress of 2:39:36.840 --> 2:39:39.920 this war over the last three years, So that's obviously 2:39:40.000 --> 2:39:43.520 not going well for Ukraine, but it's also not This 2:39:43.720 --> 2:39:47.040 is not a situation where Ukrainian forces are in any 2:39:47.160 --> 2:39:49.680 kind of collapse like you're looking at. It took Russia 2:39:49.720 --> 2:39:52.320 three years to get back to where they were three 2:39:52.400 --> 2:39:55.200 years ago, So this is I mean, this continues to 2:39:55.240 --> 2:39:58.440 be a grinding and hideous conflict, but it does not 2:39:58.520 --> 2:40:00.840 look like one at which the end is in any 2:40:00.879 --> 2:40:04.080 way in sight. Still, even with the kind of pulling 2:40:04.160 --> 2:40:06.920 of support from the US of Ukraine, with the reduction 2:40:07.200 --> 2:40:09.960 in arm shipments and whatnot from the United States to Ukraine, 2:40:10.440 --> 2:40:14.040 there's not any signs of like a generalized collapse, And 2:40:14.320 --> 2:40:17.000 in fact, over the last couple of years, there's been 2:40:17.000 --> 2:40:21.400 a fairly minimal increase in occupied territory. Right now, the 2:40:21.480 --> 2:40:25.560 pace of Russia's advance in Ukraine, per a recent AP article, 2:40:25.920 --> 2:40:28.560 has slowed by eighteen percent just over the month of August. 2:40:28.600 --> 2:40:31.519 So Russian forces took about four hundred and sixty kilometers 2:40:31.600 --> 2:40:35.080 of territory in August and had been seizing more like 2:40:35.440 --> 2:40:38.480 five six hundred square kilometers of territory a month in 2:40:38.600 --> 2:40:41.640 the couple of months prior to that. So that's kind 2:40:41.640 --> 2:40:43.880 of what you're looking at in terms of the overall 2:40:44.280 --> 2:40:47.280 pace of the conflict. One of the major changes that 2:40:47.400 --> 2:40:50.720 we've seen over the last like really specifically like a 2:40:50.760 --> 2:40:53.680 couple of quarters in the conflict is Ukraine has been 2:40:53.720 --> 2:40:59.000 increasing their capacity to hit Russian strategic targets behind the line, 2:40:59.120 --> 2:41:02.119 like well, behind the line, we're talking fuel and we're 2:41:02.120 --> 2:41:06.560 talking power infrastructure, which has been extremely successful. One of 2:41:06.600 --> 2:41:08.959 the things that's allowed Ukraine to hit these further back 2:41:09.040 --> 2:41:13.680 targets has been they've they've started producing an indigenous style 2:41:13.720 --> 2:41:17.240 of cruise missile code named the Flamingo, which has an 2:41:17.280 --> 2:41:20.200 eleven hundred almost twelve hundred kilogram warhead and a three 2:41:20.280 --> 2:41:24.240 thousand kilometer range, which puts it about one thousand kilometers 2:41:24.480 --> 2:41:27.560 past kind of the maximum range the one way attack 2:41:27.640 --> 2:41:31.000 drones like these one way suicide UAVs, which had been 2:41:31.160 --> 2:41:34.480 Ukraine's furthest in way to strike Russian territory, those only 2:41:34.520 --> 2:41:37.320 reached in about two thousand kilometers, So this puts a 2:41:37.400 --> 2:41:41.920 significant amount of like Russia's infrastructure, within Ukraine's ability to target. 2:41:42.400 --> 2:41:45.960 They're currently producing I think that they're hoping to get 2:41:46.040 --> 2:41:48.360 up to by the end of the year, seven missiles 2:41:48.400 --> 2:41:51.880 a day by October. Now, these new cruise missiles are 2:41:51.959 --> 2:41:55.400 fairly easy to shoot down with like modern air defenses, 2:41:55.520 --> 2:41:58.560 but modern air defenses are in short supply. So it's 2:41:58.600 --> 2:42:01.480 a matter of if you're able to produce an increasing 2:42:01.600 --> 2:42:03.440 number of these and you're fleeing as many of them 2:42:03.480 --> 2:42:06.120 as you can out every day, the Russians will have 2:42:06.200 --> 2:42:08.880 to make choices in terms of what infrastructure are we 2:42:09.040 --> 2:42:14.400 actually going to devote anti missile assets towards, and you 2:42:14.480 --> 2:42:16.320 know that's that's always going to be less than the 2:42:16.400 --> 2:42:19.360 total number of targets there are to hit. And the 2:42:19.800 --> 2:42:22.680 in terms of like evidence that these strikes have been successful, 2:42:23.120 --> 2:42:27.440 there has been increasing limitations on personal fuel use inside 2:42:27.480 --> 2:42:30.840 the Russian Federation and increasing power outages, like all of 2:42:30.879 --> 2:42:33.160 that has gotten more common over even just like the 2:42:33.240 --> 2:42:37.240 last several months in particular, So kind of overall, what 2:42:37.360 --> 2:42:40.439 we see if we're looking at this conflict is a grinding, 2:42:40.920 --> 2:42:44.600 high casualty endeavor where the Russians are slowly pushing back 2:42:44.879 --> 2:42:48.840 Ukrainian lines at the cost of a pretty nightmarish number 2:42:48.879 --> 2:42:51.520 of casualties. Right like, this is still a meat grinder 2:42:51.920 --> 2:42:54.560 conflict and that dimension on the ground for the Russians 2:42:54.600 --> 2:42:58.120 hasn't changed. The main thing that has changed is Ukraine 2:42:58.240 --> 2:43:01.520 has gotten better at striking behind the line, which has 2:43:01.600 --> 2:43:05.680 been met by a significant acceleration in Russian strikes, particularly 2:43:05.760 --> 2:43:09.000 even on like civilian assets in Ukraine, Like there have 2:43:09.120 --> 2:43:13.040 been more missile campaigns, more drone bombardment campaigns on the 2:43:13.120 --> 2:43:16.320 capitol and civilian targets than previously. Like some of the 2:43:16.440 --> 2:43:19.000 largest raids just took place like three or four days ago. 2:43:19.720 --> 2:43:22.080 You know, that's kind of a broad update as to 2:43:22.160 --> 2:43:24.280 what's going on. It continues to be a very ugly war. 2:43:24.760 --> 2:43:26.600 One of the main things that we've learned about what 2:43:26.760 --> 2:43:29.320 modern warfare is going to look like is that it 2:43:29.440 --> 2:43:34.640 is almost impossible for infantry forces without air supremacy to 2:43:34.920 --> 2:43:39.039 break and make large advances and then hold that territory 2:43:39.280 --> 2:43:42.280 if they do not have air supremacy. When you're looking 2:43:42.320 --> 2:43:46.480 at two peer combatants, that's almost impossible to do. And 2:43:46.640 --> 2:43:50.720 so a significant amount of the fighting devolves into who 2:43:50.800 --> 2:43:54.000 can fling drones and missiles behind the lines and hit 2:43:54.640 --> 2:43:58.800 different sort of strategic assets with more efficacy. And that's 2:43:59.480 --> 2:44:01.720 what the war has bogged down to at this stage. 2:44:02.720 --> 2:44:04.760 Speaking of aerial strikes, do we want to at least 2:44:04.840 --> 2:44:09.720 reference the attack on the Venezuelan alleged drugs smuggling vessel 2:44:09.959 --> 2:44:13.279 that was announced during Trump's death press conference. 2:44:13.520 --> 2:44:14.800 Yeah, we blew up a boat. 2:44:15.959 --> 2:44:19.440 We did a boat in international waters that was claimed 2:44:19.480 --> 2:44:22.640 to be at trinda Agua, which is a Venezuelan kind 2:44:22.680 --> 2:44:26.960 of analogous to a cartel organized criminal organization. 2:44:26.920 --> 2:44:29.280 One of the biggest boogeymans of the second Trump term. 2:44:29.480 --> 2:44:35.720 Yes they're primary like Latin American boogeyman, and yeah, we 2:44:35.840 --> 2:44:39.320 blew them up. The administration is claiming it was filled 2:44:39.320 --> 2:44:42.120 with fentanyl or whatever. I don't believe there's as of 2:44:42.240 --> 2:44:45.680 yet any independent evidence that this boat was in any 2:44:45.720 --> 2:44:48.720 way affiliated with Trindagua or carrying drugs or headed to 2:44:48.760 --> 2:44:52.280 the United States. We simply don't know a lot of times, 2:44:52.440 --> 2:44:54.680 like just the way that trinda Agua works, this is 2:44:54.760 --> 2:44:57.959 not like the Sinaloa cartel. This is not a cartel 2:44:58.360 --> 2:45:02.800 that has a massive degree of international capacity that extends 2:45:02.840 --> 2:45:06.240 to the United States. Like there's even significant debate as 2:45:06.320 --> 2:45:09.280 to how much they are extended into other parts of 2:45:09.400 --> 2:45:13.800 Latin America. They've had like really limited success expanding into 2:45:13.879 --> 2:45:17.720 Colombia because different insurgent groups like the FARC and the 2:45:17.840 --> 2:45:22.360 ELN have provided a significant counter veiling force to them. 2:45:22.879 --> 2:45:25.160 And I wanted to note because one of my sources 2:45:25.240 --> 2:45:28.320 is an article on Trindagua by America's Quarterly and in 2:45:28.400 --> 2:45:32.040 talking about their kind of troubled expansion into Colombia, this 2:45:32.240 --> 2:45:36.560 article notes tellingly, even in these spaces, TDA Operative subcontract 2:45:36.640 --> 2:45:39.160 smaller local gangs and authorize them to use their name 2:45:39.240 --> 2:45:41.800 to generate fear in compliance with their victims. And this 2:45:42.000 --> 2:45:45.320 is a really common thing with Trindaugua where when you're seeing, 2:45:45.760 --> 2:45:48.640 oh this is you know, TDA affiliated or whatnot, these 2:45:48.640 --> 2:45:52.360 guys may have no actual communication or very much to 2:45:52.440 --> 2:45:55.000 do at all with the centralized group. They're just kind 2:45:55.040 --> 2:45:59.360 of using the name for branding purposes because it scares 2:45:59.440 --> 2:46:02.000 off other gangs because it allows them to like act 2:46:02.080 --> 2:46:05.040 as if they're connected to this larger organization, but they 2:46:05.120 --> 2:46:07.720 really are not in a very meaningful way. In the 2:46:07.800 --> 2:46:09.840 same way, a lot of you'll see a lot of 2:46:10.040 --> 2:46:11.760 articles that will be talking about like these are trinda 2:46:11.760 --> 2:46:14.800 Agua tattoos, Like none of them are actual like tattoos 2:46:14.840 --> 2:46:19.160 affiliated with the group. This is like largely nonsense because 2:46:19.240 --> 2:46:22.119 Trindagwa doesn't have a tattoo tradition. Per the people who 2:46:22.160 --> 2:46:25.279 are actually experts on Trindogwa. There's a lot of good articles, 2:46:25.320 --> 2:46:29.040 particularly in Insight Crime Jeremy McDermott being one of the 2:46:29.480 --> 2:46:31.440 authors that have tried to bust a lot of these 2:46:31.480 --> 2:46:34.240 myths about TDA. We'll be doing more coverage on them 2:46:34.280 --> 2:46:36.879 in the future, but like, yeah, that's kind of the situation. 2:46:37.320 --> 2:46:39.000 Speaking of international shipments. 2:46:39.160 --> 2:46:53.119 Oh boy, sorry, locking jazz, locking jazz bog Sorry locking jazz. 2:46:53.040 --> 2:46:55.119 B locking jazz bog. 2:46:56.400 --> 2:46:58.119 Ah, that's good stuff. 2:46:58.400 --> 2:47:02.199 Jesus Christ. Okay, So nobody being murdered in cold blood 2:47:02.320 --> 2:47:05.800 to post a video on x dot com. The everything 2:47:05.840 --> 2:47:10.120 app in this one, but probably there's its own fair 2:47:10.240 --> 2:47:12.840 share of harm. Yeah. So, at the end of last week, 2:47:13.000 --> 2:47:16.920 the official end of the deminimus exemption for packages under 2:47:16.920 --> 2:47:21.280 eight hundred dollars finally fully went into effect. We're going 2:47:21.360 --> 2:47:23.200 to talk about this more next week when it's more 2:47:23.280 --> 2:47:26.600 clear what the large scale ramifications of this are. We 2:47:26.680 --> 2:47:28.840 have been talking about this for a very very long time. 2:47:29.840 --> 2:47:32.120 The other really big news this week, and this is 2:47:32.760 --> 2:47:36.720 I think most of what's been going on here has 2:47:36.920 --> 2:47:40.400 been the US Circuit Court of Appeals for the Federal 2:47:40.440 --> 2:47:43.240 Circuit ruled that most of the tariffs that are in 2:47:43.280 --> 2:47:48.360 effect are illegal now. The court also basically put in 2:47:48.440 --> 2:47:50.680 a thing saying that this ruling doesn't go into effect 2:47:50.800 --> 2:47:53.720 until October fourteenth, so that Trump can have time to appeal. 2:47:53.760 --> 2:47:55.800 This is a Supreme Court. He's already appealing to the 2:47:55.840 --> 2:48:00.440 Supreme Court, trying to he wants a quote expedited ruling 2:48:00.560 --> 2:48:04.039 from the Supreme Court. He started ranting about how if 2:48:04.480 --> 2:48:07.520 the tariffs go back into effect, are not allowed to 2:48:07.680 --> 2:48:10.200 be in effect, the US will quote turn into a 2:48:10.280 --> 2:48:14.840 third world country or may turn into a third world country. No, yeah, 2:48:15.160 --> 2:48:17.879 so not a third world country. 2:48:18.040 --> 2:48:25.119 Oh god, the American Century of humiliation continues to chug on. Yeah, so, okay, 2:48:25.640 --> 2:48:28.760 it actually is worth talking about this case a little 2:48:28.800 --> 2:48:31.600 bit because it goes to the core of what's been 2:48:31.640 --> 2:48:34.039 happening with these terrorists, which is that yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. 2:48:34.240 --> 2:48:37.400 So in the Constitution, if you read it, it says 2:48:37.520 --> 2:48:41.720 that the power of taxes and tariffs led with Congress. 2:48:42.600 --> 2:48:47.080 It really explicitly says this. I'm gonna I'm gonna read 2:48:47.440 --> 2:48:50.520 a thing from the ruling is this is a quote 2:48:50.560 --> 2:48:53.840 from the ruling. Quote. The Constitution grants Congress the power 2:48:53.959 --> 2:48:57.840 to quote lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, 2:48:58.280 --> 2:49:02.280 and to quote regulate commerce with foreign nations. This is 2:49:02.320 --> 2:49:06.960 the constitutioned Article one, Action eight. I'm going to stop 2:49:07.000 --> 2:49:09.600 here to note that everything that's in the Bill of 2:49:09.760 --> 2:49:12.880 Rights was not in the original draft of the Constitution 2:49:13.000 --> 2:49:15.360 that got tacked on later. So like freedom of speech, 2:49:16.040 --> 2:49:19.200 and like freedom of assembly, and like freedom of religion 2:49:19.240 --> 2:49:22.879 were considered less important by the people writing this than 2:49:23.160 --> 2:49:25.680 Congress or the other people who could do taxes. I'm 2:49:25.680 --> 2:49:28.720 going to keep reading from this ruling. Tariffs are a tax, 2:49:28.879 --> 2:49:32.600 and the framers of the Constitution expressly contemplated the exclusive 2:49:32.640 --> 2:49:36.160 granting of taxing power to the legislative branch. When Patrick 2:49:36.240 --> 2:49:39.640 Henry expressed concern that the president quote may easily become 2:49:39.800 --> 2:49:46.680 king debates in several state conventions, Jonathan Elliott eighteen thirty six, 2:49:47.200 --> 2:49:49.960 James Manison replied this would not occur because quote, the 2:49:50.120 --> 2:49:53.039 purse is in the hand of the representatives of the people. 2:49:54.520 --> 2:49:58.080 So I cannot believe that we have a president doing 2:49:58.160 --> 2:50:02.480 a t tax in terrists. I know, I know where's 2:50:02.520 --> 2:50:04.000 Boston when you need it. 2:50:04.240 --> 2:50:05.039 Robert, do the voice. 2:50:05.120 --> 2:50:07.160 No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not your fucking monk. 2:50:08.800 --> 2:50:10.480 To see this is the only way to have to 2:50:10.600 --> 2:50:12.720 stop Robert from doing the voice is to try to 2:50:12.760 --> 2:50:16.040 get him into place because of oppositional defiance. 2:50:16.440 --> 2:50:18.200 Yeah, that's that's what that's what rules may. 2:50:18.959 --> 2:50:21.160 Okay, speaking of what rules are, so Trump has been 2:50:21.280 --> 2:50:25.720 using the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and he like 2:50:25.879 --> 2:50:28.840 declared a state of emergency over like drug trafficking in 2:50:28.959 --> 2:50:33.200 order to do this. This is nonsense, gibberish. And this 2:50:33.360 --> 2:50:35.240 is actually where I think this is a very very 2:50:35.280 --> 2:50:38.320 significant part of this case here, which is like, Okay, 2:50:39.760 --> 2:50:43.359 what power does Trump actually have? Like can he continue 2:50:43.400 --> 2:50:45.760 to just sort of rule the United States? Many people 2:50:45.800 --> 2:50:48.680 are asking me questions And I'm gonna read this this 2:50:48.840 --> 2:50:53.080 this line from CNN, which is quoting the court draft quote. Notably, 2:50:53.280 --> 2:50:57.640 when drafting the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, Congress did 2:50:57.720 --> 2:51:01.280 not use the term tariff or any of its synonyms 2:51:01.400 --> 2:51:04.640 like duty or tax. The Court said in its majority ruling, 2:51:05.080 --> 2:51:10.080 the absence of any such teriff language in the Act 2:51:10.320 --> 2:51:14.160 contrasts with statutes where Congress has affirmatively granted such powers 2:51:14.520 --> 2:51:17.680 and including clear limit on that power. So this law 2:51:17.920 --> 2:51:20.200 does not say that he could do this. He has 2:51:20.240 --> 2:51:24.240 simply been doing this the whole time, with using a 2:51:24.320 --> 2:51:28.199 law that it literally explicitly does not say the word 2:51:28.840 --> 2:51:32.040 tariff in it. So the Court is extremely unhappy about this. 2:51:32.640 --> 2:51:35.760 Ladies and gentlemen, we got them, it really is. I 2:51:35.920 --> 2:51:39.920 think this is genuinely just on a basic constitutional level, 2:51:40.080 --> 2:51:42.560 this is one of the most staggering ones of these 2:51:42.640 --> 2:51:45.520 I've ever in terms of just like does the Constitution 2:51:45.640 --> 2:51:50.080 still exist? The answer is eh, Like, this is article 2:51:50.440 --> 2:51:55.120 one of the Constitution. It's article one. This is the 2:51:55.320 --> 2:51:59.039 first shit they wrote. This was like literally the whole 2:51:59.160 --> 2:52:03.480 point of the American Revolution was that the king can't 2:52:03.560 --> 2:52:07.040 levy taxes. It has to be the parliamentary representatives of 2:52:07.080 --> 2:52:09.640 the people. That's like the whole thing. It was that 2:52:09.720 --> 2:52:12.680 the slogan was no tsxactination without representation. Yes, yeah, and 2:52:12.800 --> 2:52:14.840 like and like obviously that's the stated goal of it. 2:52:14.879 --> 2:52:16.880 You could obviously go into your right, there's like a 2:52:17.000 --> 2:52:19.440 million other things. You can go into your territorial expansion, 2:52:19.480 --> 2:52:21.000 you can go into your slavery blah blah blah blah. 2:52:21.040 --> 2:52:24.480 But like, this is what it was supposed to be about. 2:52:24.920 --> 2:52:27.320 And has just claimed this power from himself, And we're 2:52:27.320 --> 2:52:29.000 going to get a real test in the Supreme Court. 2:52:29.040 --> 2:52:31.880 So the Supreme Court costs back from their recess in 2:52:32.000 --> 2:52:35.520 like a month, So we're gonna probably get a real 2:52:35.600 --> 2:52:39.160 test on how far the Supreme Court is willing to 2:52:39.320 --> 2:52:45.880 let Trump just straight up rule by executive fiat. But 2:52:46.080 --> 2:52:48.280 in the meantime, all these terrors are still in effect. 2:52:48.840 --> 2:52:51.040 And yeah, this has been tariff talk. We have talked 2:52:51.040 --> 2:52:51.760 about the tariffs. 2:52:52.440 --> 2:52:52.880 Excellent. 2:52:53.160 --> 2:52:55.520 Well, I believe that does it for us. Yeah, you're 2:52:55.600 --> 2:52:57.560 at It could happen here, all. 2:52:57.520 --> 2:53:01.760 Right, everybody until next time. 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