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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 2: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 2: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing new here for you, But

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Speaker 2: you can make your own decisions.

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Speaker 3: Garrison takes a puff of their clove cigarette as slow

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Speaker 3: jazz plays in the background. These sites say what they

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Speaker 3: used to be. I've been digging into liberal conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 3: That is, they're all the rage where the sky is

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Speaker 3: blue and the book is face. These libs think Old

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Speaker 3: Donnie Jay's close call in Pennsylvania was a false flag,

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Speaker 3: that the South African Musk stole the election, and that

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Speaker 3: the Park Service has gone rogue, waging an insearchent information

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Speaker 3: warfare against this corrupt administration, sending out coded messages on

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Speaker 3: social media. It's called blue and on doll and it's

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Speaker 3: been making me blue. This is it could happen here.

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Speaker 3: I'm Garrison Davis. I'm joined by Mio Wong for our

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Speaker 3: Blue On On episode.

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Speaker 4: Finally, I never thought. I never thought I would be

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Speaker 4: nostalgic for the days where I was arguing with Isis

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Speaker 4: on Twitter. But increasingly increasingly I am looking back at

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Speaker 4: that as the golden age the Internet. We were merely dealing. No,

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Speaker 4: it's it's only gotten.

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Speaker 3: More stupid right wing terrorist organization. It's it's only gonna

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Speaker 3: I realized what doing my research for this blue On

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Speaker 3: episode is that usually conspiracy research is kind of fun.

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Speaker 3: I have a good time looking into conspiracy theories. I

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Speaker 3: like going to conspiracy conventions. I get joy out of this,

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Speaker 3: almost no joy. Looking into liberal conspiracy theories really boring

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Speaker 4: So that's the intro for this episode, Garrison, can I

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Speaker 4: interest you in some of the bespoke shit? None of

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Speaker 4: none of the none of this twenty twenty four elections stolen?

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Speaker 4: Can I Can I interest you in some two thousand

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Speaker 4: and four iowall vote total skill? Oh yeah, absolutely, We'll

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that in our last section, because yeah,

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Speaker 3: there has been liberal election done out in the past,

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Speaker 3: not at the same I think scale it exists at now,

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Speaker 3: but yes, it certainly has existed before. And you know,

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Speaker 3: for a while, conspiracy theories were like a bipartisan or

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Speaker 3: And if if you spend any amount of time and like,

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Speaker 4: They all think that we work for the CIA.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, stuff about the CIA and NATO all kinds of stuff,

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Speaker 3: and though like anti vaccine and nine to eleven trutherism

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Speaker 3: Although my cat is named Theodore Katzinski and Kazinski was

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Speaker 3: we were all gonna be pulled into this at a

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Speaker 3: quote from one of MIA's favorite books, the CCRU quote

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Speaker 3: God No. Conspiracy fictions are spun out of an all

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Speaker 3: the hyperstitional chaos that operates behind the greens. This is

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Speaker 3: of the double game, on reflective twins belief and unbelief.

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Speaker 3: But disbelief is merely the negative complement of belief.

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Speaker 3: Belief is so much stronger because disbelief is so much

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Speaker 4: I fucking went down that title. I went down the

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Speaker 4: in late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties Italy, I could

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Speaker 4: been expelled from the Masons for being assholes. But this

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Speaker 4: which is which, which is very funny, because the actual

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Speaker 3: The US government has intentionally stoked like UFO conspiracy theories

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it covers up the thing. You know, if

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Speaker 3: Like Now, the CCRU proposes that quote unquote, unbelief might

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Speaker 3: real cosmic indeterminacy. I myself tried to embrace an unbelief

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Speaker 3: Politics are about determining who is and isn't a pedophile

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Speaker 3: immigrants are trafficking children. Donald Trump is on the Epstein list,

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Speaker 3: The FBI and police are faking crime statistics. Everything Trump

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Speaker 5: So on and so forth.

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Speaker 4: This is just what American politics are now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and while Trump's numerous connections to Epstein are long

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Speaker 3: around it can feel very the storm is coming. The

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Speaker 3: wiggle his way out of this jam. The logic of

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Speaker 3: QAnon has perforated almost every aspect of American politics. On

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Speaker 3: Blue Sky, there is this conspiratorial mantra gaining traction among liberals. Quote,

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Speaker 3: he wasn't shot, he didn't win, He's on the list.

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Speaker 4: Don't like that.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, that's what they believe. Do you know what

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Speaker 3: isn't a conspiracy theory. Maya that advertisement is designed to

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Speaker 3: drive consumer demand repledged capitalism by replacing your desires.

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Speaker 4: Not a conspiracy theory. That's just the good old truth.

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Speaker 3: Listen to these ads, all right, We're back as q

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Speaker 3: andon itself became a uber conspiracy theory overtime liking together

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Speaker 3: a large collection of historical and contemporary conspiracy theories into

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Speaker 3: one overarching story. Bluinon does not just refer to a

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Speaker 3: used the word blue QAnon to describe Portland liberals who

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Speaker 3: In conspiracy theories, it's not just about the substance of

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Speaker 3: for the mainstreaming of the liberal conspiracy theories, the attempted

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Speaker 4: Look what happened? Fake ass shit man.

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Speaker 6: Stage, fake ass shit bro Ain't no bullets flying and network.

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Speaker 6: Soon a shootout, you will see bullets, class stuff getting

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Speaker 4: He definitely didn't get hit.

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Speaker 5: He faked it all.

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Speaker 6: The whole dang is fake stage and Grid Broles how

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Speaker 4: You feel me?

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Speaker 7: Oh, y'all?

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Speaker 3: The word staged spiked in use by almost four thousand

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Speaker 8: Maga has gone down so many conspiracy holes and brought

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Speaker 4: What example do you think he's going to show a

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Speaker 3: But I find this explanation of why this person feels

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Speaker 4: Also, this guy sponsored by an AI company, just just

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Speaker 3: But yes, based on the blood severed across Trump's face

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Donald Trump bladed himself. What are we doing here?

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Speaker 8: So should we believe that faking getting shot is beyond boom?

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Speaker 8: Why would we believe that when this is steal Trump

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Speaker 3: You know what, I think we've saved this whole assassination

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Speaker 3: seem to not realize that bullets travel through objects like

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Speaker 3: say Donald Trump's ear the.

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Speaker 4: Point of a bullet.

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Speaker 3: Also, this was actually Trump loyalist police firing into the

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Speaker 3: crowd as a part of this stage operation, not not

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Speaker 3: Thomas Crooks. After the shooting, a political advisor to Democratic

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Speaker 3: donor and LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman named Dimitri Melhorn sent

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Speaker 3: an email proposing that the shooting may have been quote

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Speaker 3: encouraged and maybe even staged so Trump could get the

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Speaker 3: photos and benefit from the backlash unquote. The next day,

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Speaker 3: Melhorn regretted and apologized for sending the email. And think

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Speaker 3: about it. While one person was lined up perfectly to

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Speaker 3: get the now historic photo, think of how many other

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Speaker 3: professional photographers at the rally weren't so lucky. There's not

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Speaker 3: just one photographer at the event, there's lots, And yeah,

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Speaker 3: one person got a really compelling shot.

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Speaker 4: It's a campaign event. There's paid photographers there. This is

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Speaker 4: what a campaign event is Oh my god, there was

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Speaker 4: a flag that was stayed because it was a campaign

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Speaker 4: event going insane.

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Speaker 3: According to a poll from Morning Consult, roughly one in

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Speaker 3: five voters said that they found it credible that the

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Speaker 3: shooting was staged and not intended to kill Trump, including

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Speaker 3: one third of at the time Biden supporters, thirty three

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Speaker 3: percent of Biden supporters, and twelve percent of those who

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Speaker 3: backed Trump, which is really funny to me.

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Speaker 4: That's actually really funny. It was an inside job.

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Speaker 9: Good job, guys, good job the mega Trump assassination truthers

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Speaker 9: the majority of voters, though sixty two percent, said that

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Speaker 9: the unsubstantiated notion is not credible.

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Speaker 3: A statement I've seen from both the conspiratorial left and

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Speaker 3: the right is that we know all about say Luigi

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Speaker 3: Mangioni or this latest school shooter, but still know nothing

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Speaker 3: about the Trump assassination. And this just isn't true. We

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Speaker 3: actually know a lot about Thomas Crooks. Now, just because

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Speaker 3: you haven't read about it doesn't mean that we don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'll link to a recent New York Times article looking

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Speaker 3: into his online footprint. We know a lot about this guy.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: But based on the conception that this failed assassination attempt

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Speaker 3: would in the end help Trump get elected. Some people

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Speaker 3: chose to just reject the event entirely, and yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was surreal, a warped manifestation of millions of people's dream

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Speaker 3: And when things happen that challenge expectations or are just

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Speaker 3: plain weird, some people reject that reality and substitute to

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Speaker 3: their own alternate realities which make more sense to them.

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Speaker 3: If a near mis event like this would help Trump,

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Speaker 3: then it must be Trump's doing. Do you know what

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Speaker 3: Trump has no control over?

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Speaker 4: It's so not true that he doesn't have control of

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Speaker 4: these products and services. We have good report I got

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Speaker 4: is his Increasingly.

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Speaker 3: The tariffs aren't real, be a. I won't believe the

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Speaker 3: tariffs until I see them with my own two eyes.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm going to walk you to the port

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Speaker 4: of LA. Are gonna go look at the tariffs together?

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Speaker 5: Why inside?

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Speaker 4: So here's the ads. All right, we're back.

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Speaker 3: You can't talk about liberal conspiracy theories without the most

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Speaker 3: blatant example of some libs taking a page right out

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Speaker 3: of the megaplaybook twenty twenty four Election denial God another

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Speaker 3: instance of Trump and you and on trailblazing something that

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Speaker 3: used to be on the political fringe and normalizing it

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Speaker 3: as acceptable political discourse. Early on, after Trump was declared

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Speaker 3: the projected winner, liberals questioned why there were seemingly twenty

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Speaker 3: million missing Democratic votes from the expected twenty twenty four totals,

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Speaker 3: pointing to the higher numbers in twenty twenty seemingly forgetting

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Speaker 3: that vote. Totals were still being counted, and in the end,

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Speaker 3: there were only three million fewer votes this election, which

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Speaker 3: is extremely reasonable for an election, according to NewsGuard. By

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Speaker 3: Wednesday morning after the election, Trump cheated was trending on

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Speaker 3: Twitter with nearly one hundred thousand mentions since midnight. I'll

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Speaker 3: read a few of these viral tweets quote. I hold

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Speaker 3: a master's degree in political science. I don't yet understand

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Speaker 3: these results, and I don't pretend to. I'm not into conspiracy,

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Speaker 3: but I'd like to know millions across Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan

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Speaker 3: really split their vote? Did millions of Democratic voters really

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Speaker 3: stay home?

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Speaker 4: And the answer is yes, yes, yes they did. That

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Speaker 4: is what happened. You figured it out.

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Speaker 3: People did split their vote, and yeah, lots of people

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Speaker 3: were not compelled to vote for Harris and stayed home.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations you you stumbled across the reality.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Another person remarked, quote, I hold a master's again. I

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Speaker 3: love all these people prefacing this by saying that they

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Speaker 3: have degrees.

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Speaker 4: And I want to say two things about the degree thing.

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Speaker 4: One eight each of the time when someone starts doing

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Speaker 4: what are these things? You can go back and find

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Speaker 4: different degrees they pretended have two. I have been around

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Speaker 4: people who get master's degrees in political science. We are

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Speaker 4: not talking about the cream of the intellectual crop here, Like,

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Speaker 4: this is a discipline that is like economics for people

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Speaker 4: who like or even worship the chain rule than economists. Like,

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Speaker 4: what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: Quote I hold a masters in political science with a

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Speaker 3: minor in statistics, and I can't make sense of this.

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Speaker 3: Human nature had to completely upend itself for this to happen.

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Speaker 3: Swing states voting straight blue down the ballot except for

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Speaker 3: the top. Nah, that's not what people do, and yet

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Speaker 3: it is what happened. A frige political science analysis.

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Speaker 4: This is hinged for them so very quickly.

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Speaker 3: Liberals demanded recounts and court challenges, begging that Kamala Harris

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Speaker 3: take this to court with misinformation spreading that she was

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Speaker 3: planning said court challenges. Others alleged that Elon Musk hacked

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Speaker 3: voting machines. According to a report from the University of Washington,

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Speaker 3: over a five day period, there were hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 3: of tweets and retweets about how Elon Musk, working with

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Speaker 3: Trump and sometimes with Putin, used Starlink satellites to steal

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Speaker 3: the election, perhaps by intercepting than changing totals through the Internet,

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Speaker 3: despite most voting machines not being connected to the Internet.

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Speaker 4: No, and the actual thing that he did was like

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Speaker 4: going to places and saying, I'll give you a million

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Speaker 4: dollars if you vote for this election, one of you

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Speaker 4: will win. Like that's like the actual thing that he did,

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Speaker 4: which is so blatantly obvious and.

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Speaker 3: Like basic like ground game targeting and swing states, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: they mobilized a shit ton of money. Quote, I'm hearing

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Speaker 3: today that Elon's software Starship is the software that handled

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Speaker 3: all the swing state ballots. If indeed this is true,

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Speaker 3: this is clearly a conflict of interest and another reason

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Speaker 3: why swing states need investigations. Well, good news, this isn't

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Speaker 3: indeed true.

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Speaker 4: You made this up. This is fake.

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Speaker 3: It's not just Twitter, though on Meta's Twitter alternative threads,

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Speaker 3: there was a hotbed of election denile, with posts like

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Speaker 3: this spreading on the platform and beyond to places like Reddit.

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Speaker 3: Quote Trump cheats at everything in life. Putin interfered in

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Speaker 3: the past three elections. Musk and Trump talked to putin

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Speaker 3: a lot. Musk's Starlink uploaded votes in swing states. Swing

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Speaker 3: state voters went Dem down ballot, but Trump at the top.

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Speaker 3: Unlikely Starlink satellites exploding, destroying evidence unquote. This is referencing

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Speaker 3: a conspiracy theory from the time that based on an

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Speaker 3: event on November tenth where a Starlink satellite re entered

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Speaker 3: orbit and blew up, as elon Musk's technology is known

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Speaker 3: to do. This was its self proof that he was

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Speaker 3: blowing up his satellites on purpose to conceal evidence that

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Speaker 3: Starlink was used to alter election results. SpaceX regularly retires

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Speaker 3: satellites which then slowly fall to Earth and blow up.

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Speaker 4: This is ordinary practice.

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Speaker 3: This particular satellite, which exploded on November tenth, was decommissioned

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Speaker 3: back in August. This has nothing to do with the election. Still,

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Speaker 3: there were viral tweets calling for a quote unquote, forensic

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Speaker 3: investigation and accounts like your n on News, an account

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Speaker 3: pretending to be affiliated with the hacker group Anonymous, which

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Speaker 3: is a real vector point of left wing conspiratorial thinking.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to put a note here. Viz says that

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Speaker 4: the history of relationship if your n on News is

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Speaker 4: very complicated. This is not a this is not a

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Speaker 4: definitive statement on it. Please don't get mad at us.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a fucking mess. It's a fucking mess.

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Speaker 4: That's That's what I'm gonna say about it. That guy

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Speaker 4: sucks shit.

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Speaker 3: They've been spreading a lot of election misinformation news, especially

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Speaker 3: in November.

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Speaker 4: Quote.

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Speaker 3: Some strange statements from Trump and Elon have fueled doubts

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Speaker 3: about election integrity. You can just change one line of code,

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Speaker 3: Elon stated about the code on electronic voting machines. I

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Speaker 3: don't need more votes. I already have votes, Trump stated repeatedly,

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Speaker 3: So why not take a look unquote. This alleged quote

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Speaker 3: from Elon cannot be sourced at all. The full version

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Speaker 3: of it is quote. If you want to steal an election,

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Speaker 3: all you have to do is change one line of

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Speaker 3: code unquote. I have tried so hard to find the

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Speaker 3: original source for this quote. I cannot. It is just

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Speaker 3: liberals saying Elon said this. It may have been something

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Speaker 3: he said, I cannot find it. Even if it is

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Speaker 3: something he said, it's not evidence that he stole the election,

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Speaker 3: no at all.

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Speaker 4: He does this like there's a whole conspiracy on the

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Speaker 4: left that thinks that Elon Musk was behind the coup

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Speaker 4: in Bolivia, which was like something I was accepted by

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Speaker 4: EVO back when he was in the NIS, like in

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Speaker 4: Bolivia because it was like politically convenient for everyone involved

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Speaker 4: to believe that, like Elon Musk did this coup in

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Speaker 4: Bolivia over like lithium prices, when the actual reality was

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Speaker 4: it was done by a bunch of Bolivia agrobarons. But

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Speaker 4: people just believe this shit and and Elon will just

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Speaker 4: play into it, like because I don't he probably didn't

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Speaker 4: say that. But like even if he, like he did

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Speaker 4: say the ship that he did the coup in Bolivia,

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Speaker 4: but like he didn't, he objectively didn't lollxd like I okay,

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Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not. I'm not going to get into

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Speaker 4: the price history of of lithium here and how there

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Speaker 4: was a fucking market glut at that point, which is

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Speaker 4: the exact opposite thing you would want there to be

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Speaker 4: if you're trying to steal with you like, it's nonsense.

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Speaker 4: So people just believe this shit because it fits, it

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Speaker 4: fits their version of reality. And the right is really

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Speaker 4: happy to sort of play into this because they just

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Speaker 4: play around with conspiracies.

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Speaker 3: And this line from Trump is just breaking about having

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Speaker 3: a lot of projective votes already.

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Speaker 4: That's all it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the day before inauguration day, people alleged that Trump

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Speaker 3: may have accidentally admitted to stealing the election in one

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Speaker 3: of his speeches.

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Speaker 4: Oh my fucking god, let's take a look.

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Speaker 5: Trump just told on himself.

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Speaker 7: He just credited Elon Musk's knowledge of how voting machines

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Speaker 7: work for his victory in Pennsylvania. He said this during

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Speaker 7: his victory rally in Washington, d C. The night before

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Speaker 7: alleged inauguration. Let's listen to the audio.

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Speaker 10: And then he journeyed to Pennsylvania, where he spent like

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Speaker 10: a month and a.

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Speaker 11: Half campaigning for me in Pennsylvania. And he's a popular guy,

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Speaker 11: and he was very effective. And he knows those computers

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Speaker 11: better than anybody, all those computers, those vote counting computers,

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Speaker 11: and we ended up winning Pennsylvania like.

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Speaker 8: In a landslide.

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Speaker 5: So that was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty good, So thank you to Elon.

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Speaker 3: That is from a very popular TikToker. This particular video

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Speaker 3: has twenty thousand likes. I can't even find how many

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Speaker 3: views it has, but there's hundreds of comments talking about

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Speaker 3: how the election was stolen. The same video was spread

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Speaker 3: by people like a friend of the pod Brooklyn Dad defiant.

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Speaker 4: Oh god, fucking okay, I need to spend five seconds. No,

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Speaker 4: we don't have time. He's literally paid by a Democratic party.

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Speaker 4: He used to be Yeah, he used to be bluterally

657
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Speaker 4: paid a Democratic party. He was a fucking oil guy.

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Speaker 4: God damn it.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, okay, but he said quote. Is that a fucking confession?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Twenty three thousand likes?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Which, Now this line from Trump gets referenced a lot

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Speaker 3: in liberal stolen election theories. Trump is not saying he

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Speaker 3: won because Elon knows vote counting computers. Those two statements

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Speaker 3: can be separate statements that are just right next to

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Speaker 3: each other. More, it could be easily interpreted as saying

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00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: that Elon Musk's computer knowledge helped prevent fraud, ensuring that

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Speaker 3: if Dems tried to steal the election again, Elon would

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Speaker 3: have caught them. As twenty twenty, Republican election denial focused

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Speaker 3: heavily on voting machines. In terms of numbers on how

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Speaker 3: many Democrats don't think the election was legitimate, we do

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Speaker 3: have some statistics. In twenty twenty, eighty eight percent of

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Speaker 3: Democrats thought the election was legitimate and accurate. In twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four, it was only sixty three percent, with nine

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Speaker 3: percent saying it was the result of illegal voting or

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Speaker 3: election rigging, and twenty nine percent saying they don't know

678
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Speaker 3: if it was legitimate or accurate. Of course, the Republicans

679
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Speaker 3: found this election was extremely legitimate as compared to the

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Speaker 3: last one, in which a majority of Republicans thought it

681
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Speaker 3: was the result of illegal voting or election rigging. But

682
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Speaker 3: still twenty nine percent of Democrats in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 3: not knowing if the election is accurate pretty pretty damaging,

684
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Speaker 3: and obviously a lack of trust in election systems is

685
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Speaker 3: an extremely damaging thing to the functioning of democracy. The

686
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Speaker 3: reason why I decided to finally do this episode after

687
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Speaker 3: pulling little research bits over the course of the past year,

688
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Speaker 3: is a tweet from August twentieth quote. Two whistleblowers have

689
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Speaker 3: now confirmed that the NSSA conducted an election audit and

690
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Speaker 3: Harris was the winner. Don't fucking ignore this. One hundred

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Speaker 3: and forty six thousand likes, almost thirty thousand retweets, five

692
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Speaker 3: point five million quote unquote views. This went super viral.

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Speaker 3: One of the biggest instances I've seen in recent election denial.

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Speaker 3: This viral tweet links to a substack with over fifty

695
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Speaker 3: one thousand subscribers and three million views. The focus of

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Speaker 3: the blog is showing how Kamala Harris really won the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four election. The recent posts cover how a

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Speaker 3: former CIA operative has confirmed that, based on an NSA

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Speaker 3: audit of the twenty twenty four election, Kamala actually won.

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Speaker 3: This was a quote covert compartmentalized forensic audit unquote.

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Speaker 4: It's literally just stop the steal. They did this the

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00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 4: same thing.

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Speaker 3: It was completed in December twenty twenty four, and based

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Speaker 3: on the findings, the NSSA and CIA recommended a hand recount,

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Speaker 3: but the recount was unable to take place before the

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Speaker 3: January sixth election certification, and since then, the findings of

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Speaker 3: the audit proving a Kamala victory have been covered up

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Speaker 3: by Tulci Gabbard and the Trump administration. This blog claims

709
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Speaker 3: the election was stolen by hijacking voting machines and quote

710
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Speaker 3: illegally copied software, decades of vulnerabilities, and the installation of

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Speaker 3: a back door through a last minute change order right

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Speaker 3: before the election unquote. Now, there's a few problems with

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Speaker 3: this theory, the first at which being that the NSA

714
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Speaker 3: doesn't audit elections.

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Speaker 12: No what.

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Speaker 3: This substacker also operates a still growing TikTok account to

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Speaker 3: prevent being suppressed for misinformation. The user toksin coded phrases

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Speaker 3: calling elections baking contests. State election results are either red

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Speaker 3: cakes or blue cakes.

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Speaker 4: Votes are ingredients.

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Speaker 3: Rist In her most popular video with about seventy five

722
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Speaker 3: thousand views, she claims that Trump isn't giving red swing

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Speaker 3: states FEMA AID because he knows that these states actually

724
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Speaker 3: voted for Kamala Harris, and so Trump is punishing them

725
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Speaker 3: by withholding aid. This is her second most popular video,

726
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Speaker 3: with fifty thousand views, talking about North Carolina and how

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Speaker 3: Elon Musk and Peter Thiel worked together to alter election results.

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Speaker 1: Hey y'all.

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Speaker 13: Quick update on the baking contest in North Kakilaki and

730
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Speaker 13: the cake is in fact who we were able to

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Speaker 13: identify about one hundred and ninety seven thousand ingredients that

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Speaker 13: were swapped out by the space Baker, So he and

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Speaker 13: his friend whose name rhymes with seal have been up

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Speaker 13: to some interesting things.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to these baking contests.

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Speaker 13: So the surveillance Seal and the Space Baker doing some

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Speaker 13: doing some interesting baking. So we need you to let

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Speaker 13: your media friends know and let all your let all

739
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Speaker 13: the people know. We're going to do an email campaign

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Speaker 13: next week because that seems to be how we get

741
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Speaker 13: this done. We do have avenues to undo this unholy.

742
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Speaker 1: Mess, and just hold on to your hope.

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Speaker 13: Run over to my friends at the coorse Ate and

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Speaker 13: of course the Common Coalition. Check out the report. We

745
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 13: have more to report on all of the baking contests

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Speaker 13: that we're working on. We're still digging, We got more

747
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Speaker 13: to go and blue Skies ahead, y'all.

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Speaker 4: There's something specifically uniquely horrifying about the way that like

749
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Speaker 4: just the sort of TikTok language of sewer side or

750
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 4: whatever like that people say, like that kind of shit

751
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 4: this stuff just makes me really sad. No, it's it's

752
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 4: so like I can't have fun with this anymore. Oh God,

753
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 4: damn it.

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Speaker 3: The same thing when I was watching some of the

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Speaker 3: trum assassination videos when I realized this is just from

756
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Speaker 3: people who are unwell, and I can't even have fun

757
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: with this. And that is also the case with a

758
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: lot of Q and on stuff. You should be really

759
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: careful about how much joy you take in the suffering

760
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: of people and people displaying their suffering on the Internet

761
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Speaker 3: by engaging in this stuff. But yeah, this stuff's just

762
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Speaker 3: really sad. Like in other videos, she's with her followers

763
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Speaker 3: to contact their state governors to convince them to change

764
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Speaker 3: all the voting machines because they've been compromised. And I'll

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Speaker 3: play one more video before we close the episode, I

766
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 3: says over thirty two thousand views. She talks about Trump

767
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Speaker 3: using tariffs as leverage to get countries to sign deals

768
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Speaker 3: with Elon Musk's Starlink satellites, which will then be used

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Speaker 3: to control elections worldwide, and the only way to stop

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Speaker 3: this is to impeach Trump and put Kamala in the

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Speaker 3: White House since she is the rightful winner of the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Election, they take from their constituents.

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Speaker 13: Now to address the Space Cadet, and how look at

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Speaker 13: what he launched last year in record time ten months,

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Speaker 13: this low orbit DTC constellation. And look at what they're

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00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 13: doing with the countries around the world. To get your

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00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 13: tariffs removed, you have to sign a contract with the

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Speaker 13: Space Cadet. Hello, this is not about any kind of

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Speaker 13: like you know, internet in the rural areas, blah blah blah.

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00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 13: Nothing about this is to be nice. No, it is

782
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 13: to control future contests. The US was not the endgame.

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00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 13: It was the litmus test. So we can get out

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00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 13: of this. We have constitutional avenues to get out of

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00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 13: this situation, but we need Congress to act, and Congress

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00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 13: won't act until the American people know what happened. And

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Speaker 13: they're not going to know what happened until our influencers

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Speaker 13: and our media handle the situation. So Rachel Matto, please,

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Speaker 13: Lawrence Midas touched. For heaven's sake, Midas touched you guys,

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00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 13: four million people, you could be blasting this out and

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Speaker 13: letting the American people know what happened. Do your jobs, please,

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Speaker 13: so we can get the rightful people in the.

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Speaker 1: House that they belong in, the big white one.

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Speaker 4: I think one of the things that makes me so

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Speaker 4: insane about these is that like if you're actually, I

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Speaker 4: guess Garrison, you weren't around for this. But like I've

797
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 4: legitimately have lived through two attempts to steal an election, right,

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Speaker 4: Like there was two thousand which the Republicans just stole

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Speaker 4: and then yeah, Donald Trump did try to steal the

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Speaker 4: election in twenty twenty, but he did it by having

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Speaker 4: people try to form mobs outside of polling places and

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00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 4: then like his supporters did January sixth That's a real thing.

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Speaker 4: But the thing about these conspiracies is like they devour reality,

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Speaker 4: They consume it and strip it for his constituent parts.

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Speaker 4: Which is why you see so many like you know,

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Speaker 4: used to see so many conspiracies that would you know,

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Speaker 4: if you look at their giant conspiracy charts. They're talking

808
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Speaker 4: about like the structure of the World Bank and the

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00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 4: IMF and like that's where the Builderberg group stuff comes

810
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Speaker 4: out of, Right, they love charts. The Builder Group stuff

811
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Speaker 4: is them taking the real structure of the International Monetary

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Speaker 4: Fund and the World Bank and then you know, devouring

813
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Speaker 4: that structure and spinning back out conspiracy and that that's

814
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 4: what these things do. They take they take real things

815
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Speaker 4: that happen in the world and just devour them and

816
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 4: turn them into just nothing. And it makes it harder

817
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 4: to act because like, yeah, we do live in a

818
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 4: world where the Republican Party has like attempted to or

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Speaker 4: successfully did steal two elections, but not this one.

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Speaker 3: And if this is your mode of resistance, of hashtag

821
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 3: resistance against Trump, that's useless. It's completely useless. It's not

822
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Speaker 3: actually managing any of the effects of Trump on people,

823
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Speaker 3: like ice, like attacks on career people. It's this fully contained,

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Speaker 3: non non form of fighting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like like you see you see this, You

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Speaker 4: see this too on the left of CIA stuff, where

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Speaker 4: it's like everyone is convinced that like the person they're

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Speaker 4: arguing with on Twitter like is the CIA, and that

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Speaker 4: the way that you combat CIA influences by like spreading

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Speaker 4: I don't know, post and pro asage shit. And it's

831
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Speaker 4: like that's not not actually substantively combating the influence of

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Speaker 4: the CIA. It just feels like it is. And that

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00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 4: structure of feeling is so powerful that it prevents you

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Speaker 4: from doing actual action.

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Speaker 3: There has been this new conspiracy theory getting traction on

836
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Speaker 3: Blue Sky a lot that the masked people engaged in

837
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Speaker 3: Immigration enforcement ICE aren't actually ICE agents. They're secretly quote

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Speaker 3: J sixers, bounty hunters or thugs, oathkeepers, proud boys. It's

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Speaker 3: a big assumption to even say they're federal agents. They're

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Speaker 3: not identified. We have no idea who they are. Could

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Speaker 3: be proud boys, or oath keepers or three percenters unquote.

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Speaker 3: This is trying to push the blame away from the

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Speaker 3: US government, who is engaging in this action ICE, onto

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Speaker 3: these non state actors, which people in their mind think

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Speaker 3: are easier targets. And it's just a completely misunderstanding of power,

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Speaker 3: and it's a misunderstanding of their current political situation, and

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Speaker 3: it gives you no ability to actually stop the bad

848
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Speaker 3: things ICE are doing. I've seen this theory gain a

849
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Speaker 3: lot of traction online. And in the same way that

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Speaker 3: QAnon is a product of the cognitive dissonance of Trump

851
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Speaker 3: supporters having to grapple the fact that the trumpet that

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00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 3: their god king is in power and their lives still suck,

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Speaker 3: this is this specific one is a product of the

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Speaker 3: cognitive dissonance of like the fact that these people all

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Speaker 3: supported ICE when Biden was Biden was the run, running

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Speaker 3: it when like Biden fucking did his executive order to

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Speaker 3: shut the border down, right, but kumboom Biden was like

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Speaker 3: doing consration camps in the desert. They were all pro ICE,

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Speaker 3: and then they suddenly have to deal with the world

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Speaker 3: where ICE is doing an ethnic cleansing and they can't

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Speaker 3: process that. And so the way that they attempt to

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Speaker 3: cope with it is being like, well, that's actually not

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Speaker 3: the real Ice. That's like j six proud boys. It's

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Speaker 3: a groper occupied government. They're sending out coded messages on Twitter. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's the same thing me and you did the episode

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Speaker 3: about a few weeks ago in our dog Whistle Politics

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Speaker 3: and the Hunt for Coded Nazi Messaging episode. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: And though some Democratic voters are engaging in election denial,

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Speaker 3: I think one key difference from twenty twenty Republican election

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Speaker 3: denial is that liberal election officials have as of yet

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Speaker 3: not been willing to participate in this rhetoric openly or

872
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 3: pursue these baseless fraud accusations. This is still one difference.

873
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 3: But I think it's a ticking clock. I think it's

874
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 3: only a matter of time, especially once we see the

875
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: midterms that people running for office, that Democrats might start

876
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 3: embracing some kind of wing nutty stuff the same way

877
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: Marjor Taylor Green Trojanhorst wing nutty politics into Congress, and

878
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: now we see a whole bunch of other representatives being

879
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 3: able to engage in conspiratorial thought on the right. There's

880
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: going to be a few instances of this, I think

881
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 3: in the next midterm election for Democrats. It's something to

882
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 3: keep an eye out for, because I think it's only

883
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 3: a matter of time. Like what I mentioned in that

884
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 3: CCR you quote, mundane reality is going to lose because

885
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: this stuff is just more interesting. People are going to

886
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: try to buy it, and it requires constant pushback. It

887
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 3: for part one, But there's gonna be another episode tomorrow

888
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 3: where I talk with Jack of the Alt watcher Blue

889
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: Sky account to discuss the latest evolution of blue and

890
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 3: On and possibly the most qan Oni extension of Blue

891
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: and On we've seen yet, the Alt National Park Service

892
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 3: and their coded messages being sent out on Blue Sky

893
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 3: and Facebook. So stay tuned for that tomorrow, and remember

894
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 3: you are not immune to propaganda. Seventeen two nineteen, two

895
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: hundred twenty seven general public. Please disregard as this podcast

896
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 3: as fighting battles on multiple fronts. This podcast is it

897
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: could happen here, and I'm Garrison Davis. Last episode, I

898
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: talked with Miowong about the trajectory of liberal conspiracy theories,

899
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Speaker 3: specifically throughout the last ten years, from Russia Gate to

900
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 3: Trump's staged assassination and twenty twenty four election denial. This

901
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 3: resurgence of liberal conspiracism has been dubbed blue and On.

902
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 3: If you want more background on that, go listen to

903
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: our previous episode. But this episode is about a new

904
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 3: evolution of Blue and On and possibly the most Qanani

905
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 3: iteration we've seen yet. The Alt National Park Service a

906
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 3: social media engagement farming account that gained traction on Blue

907
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 3: Sky and Facebook last February. In March admidst cuts to

908
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 3: the Park Service from the Trump administration. This account gained

909
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: followers by posing as a group of anti Trump dissidents

910
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: from within the Park Service, and soon enough it inspired

911
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: a collection of other Alt government accounts like Alt CDC,

912
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 3: Alt Nih, Alt Yellowstone, and Alt Noah. The original Alt

913
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 3: National Park Service account basically never talks about the park

914
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: Service itself, but during the first few months of Trump's

915
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 3: second term, the account started going viral by posting sequences

916
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 3: of random numbers as ostensibly coded messages to other hashtag

917
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: resistance fighters, though the account has since experimented with, altered

918
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: and refined their engagement strategies. To hear more about that

919
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: and how Alt National Park Service fits into this trend

920
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 3: of liberal conspiracy theories, I talked with someone who has

921
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 3: spent the past few months documenting and writing about this account.

922
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 3: The person who runs the alt watcher account on Blue

923
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 3: Sky and writes about their search on the blog Dispatches

924
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: from the Online Void. So here's that interview.

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Speaker 5: My name's Jack.

926
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Speaker 14: I'm the user behind the account alt Watcher on Blue Sky,

927
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Speaker 14: and I've been following the Alt National Park Service for

928
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 14: about six months, just documenting what they do and how

929
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 14: they steal from journalists and how they're driving a lot

930
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 14: of people insane, including me.

931
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Speaker 3: What is the Alt National Park Service or first, what

932
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Speaker 3: does the Alt National Park Service claim to be?

933
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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's an important difference. The All National Park Service

934
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 14: claims to be a loose affiliation of anonymous former parks

935
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 14: employees that are either still employed by the park service

936
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 14: and kind of working behind the scenes, or who were

937
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 14: fired or laid off by the Trump administration and are

938
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 14: now part of a nationwide coalition to resist the government.

939
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 14: That's what they claim to be. What they really are

940
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 14: is just a Facebook shit posting account. We're not sure

941
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 14: if it's one person behind it or if it's a group.

942
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 14: It's remarkably hard to find out anything about the person

943
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 14: who is behind the account, who they are, where they are,

944
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 14: and how they started this. But what they do most

945
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 14: of the time is repost the work of journalists directly

946
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 14: plagiariyes from news outlets, and post these vaguely conspiratorial things

947
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 14: online to try to whip up engagement from their followers.

948
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Speaker 3: I first became aware of this back in probably March

949
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five, specifically when on Blue Sky they

950
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 3: just started posting a lot of numbers. Yes, I was

951
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 3: aware that this account was created, like in the aftermath

952
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: of some like Doge related cuts to the Park Service,

953
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: or like anti Dei, anti woke stuff, and then this

954
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 3: account popped up claiming to be you know, like resistance

955
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 3: from inside to people who watch politics like seriously for

956
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 3: their jobs.

957
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 4: Was very clear that this was.

958
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 3: Not a legitimate organization, and then they just started posting

959
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 3: numbers sequences of numbers along with other cryptic messages, and

960
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 3: this like immediately starts hitting like the q and on bells.

961
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: Back in July of twenty twenty four, there's a Washington

962
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: Post article about the Trump assassination conspiracy theories, but specifically

963
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 3: it was it was a I think it was an

964
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: opinion piece critical of terming liberal conspiracy theories as as

965
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 3: quote unquote blewing on. They said, quote the main similarity

966
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 3: of q and on and bluing on is that they rhyme.

967
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 3: And for a while I kind of understood this criticism

968
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: and agree with parts of it, because there was there

969
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 3: was structural differences between some of how you know, liberals

970
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: or like quote unquote the left engage in conspiratorial thinking,

971
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 3: and like the function of q and on the numbers

972
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 3: think started to I'll mess with that analysis because then

973
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: you started to see the actual methodology and like the

974
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 3: ideological function of QAnon start to get replicated in what

975
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 3: is most likely just like engagement farming. But for the

976
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 3: people who are following this account and engaging with it

977
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 3: and like it becomes like an important part of their

978
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: life and their perception of like hashtag resistance. And I

979
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: think that's where bluing on actually proved itself as a term,

980
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: was in March of twenty five, I guess, let's talk

981
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 3: about the numbers.

982
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 14: You know what, I would love I would love to

983
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 14: talk about the numbers. The numbers are also what stood

984
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 14: out to me, and that is why I ended up

985
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 14: making my account and diving into all this. During the pandemic,

986
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 14: I got obsessed with qana, you know, as as just

987
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 14: what is this? A lot of people did a lot

988
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 14: of people did, you know, Look, pandemic did a lot

989
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 14: of crazy things to us. Some people learned to knit,

990
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 14: some people got good at baking. I got really into

991
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 14: learning about q and on and I am. I'm a

992
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 14: huge fan of the QAA podcast. I listened to that constantly.

993
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 14: And as soon as I saw altonps post one of

994
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 14: the numbers, I realized, I'm reading this.

995
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 5: In their c voice.

996
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 14: Yeah, their their voice modulated voice that sounds like this

997
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 14: whenever they would post. And I started reading all the

998
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 14: numbers post that way, and just like you said, something

999
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 14: clicked and I went, oh, this is oh, I see

1000
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 14: what they're doing here. Yeah, and they've posted numbers many times.

1001
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 14: I've got my giant spreadsheet pulled up here, and I

1002
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 14: think they've posted something like thirty numbers. It's been a

1003
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 14: while since they've done it. But the thing that really

1004
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 14: gave the game away from me was during one of

1005
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 14: these numbers posts, they posted some random number and then

1006
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 14: replied to themselves and said, for discussion, what do you

1007
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 14: think these numbers mean? And I said, oh, I see

1008
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 14: what's happening.

1009
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 4: Here, kind of giving away the game there, hell at exactly.

1010
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 14: Yeah, this is not a group of government insiders communicating

1011
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 14: with their coalition. This is the user behind a Facebook

1012
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 14: account realizing in real time that they've stumbled on like

1013
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 14: a gold mine for engagement. Yeah, oh, we can just

1014
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 14: do this and people will do the work for us,

1015
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 14: and we're just going to say that out.

1016
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 4: Loud and throughout.

1017
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 3: Like March and April, their count just like rocketed in popularity. Yes,

1018
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 3: I've not actually looked on their Facebook account. Besides, like

1019
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 3: the post that you've shared, I've only seen them on

1020
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 3: Blue Sky. Is what is the difference of their presence

1021
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 3: on Facebook versus like blue Sky Blue Sky.

1022
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 14: I think they're at something like nine hundred k on Facebook.

1023
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 14: The last time I checked it was about four point

1024
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 14: three million.

1025
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 4: Geez.

1026
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 14: Yeah, they are a massive presence on Facebook and they've

1027
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 14: been monetizing their posts. Recently, they have been sponsored content

1028
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 14: on Facebook leading to their page.

1029
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 3: This is where I think one of the different from

1030
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 3: like how Q and nonfunctioned and all National Park Service,

1031
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 3: because you know, Q was not monetizing posts on the chance.

1032
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 5: That's like I would have loved to see him try.

1033
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 5: That would be really funny.

1034
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 3: I do not see like this account existing as like

1035
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 3: as a sort of operation to influence the political trajectory

1036
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 3: of the United States the same way that the qan

1037
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 3: on account at least evolved in that capacity. Even if

1038
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 3: it started off as like a shit posting thing exactly,

1039
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,479
Speaker 3: it certainly evolved with with more of a malicious intent

1040
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 3: the people behind you know, Q posting.

1041
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think that's a big difference between them, is

1042
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 14: that this is straightforwardly an engagement far.

1043
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, using some of those tactics, especially like early on,

1044
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 3: but for a very simple reason, and that's that's making

1045
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 3: money on the Internet, like everybody is trying to do.

1046
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 3: It's it's it's just like internet hustle culture stuff with

1047
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 3: with no grappling with like the consequences that has for

1048
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 3: like the psyche of of people who who engage with

1049
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 3: your content.

1050
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 14: Exactly, and the psyche of people who engage with this

1051
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 14: content is really what keeps me coming back to this project,

1052
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 14: because that is the real harm I see here. Look

1053
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 14: the online drifters or a diamond doesn't you know people

1054
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 14: who sell stuff online. It's everywhere, it's inescapable. What's unique

1055
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 14: about alt NPS is that they are trying to make

1056
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 14: money on convincing people that this is real. You know,

1057
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,479
Speaker 14: they're not just selling hashtag resist shirts or whatever. They're

1058
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 14: trying to get money out of people by convincing them

1059
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 14: that they really are part of a shadow resistance against

1060
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 14: against Trump, and that you can buy their shirts or

1061
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 14: you can straightforwardly just send them money for things like

1062
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 14: their all Junior Ranger program that they've said they're starting,

1063
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 14: and if you send them a dollar, you're helping fund

1064
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 14: that program. And it's totally real. And the fact that

1065
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 14: they didn't mention it for seven straight months after initially

1066
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Speaker 14: announcing it is something you definitely shouldn't worry about. Do

1067
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 14: you know what else you definitely shouldn't worry about? This

1068
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 14: short at break.

1069
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Speaker 3: So they have face pushback for their numbers posting, but

1070
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 3: they have found a way to justify it publicly, to

1071
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 3: talk about like how they've framed the posting of just

1072
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Speaker 3: like four numbers, two numbers, and like the sort of

1073
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 3: like defense of the account that it plays.

1074
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Speaker 14: Yeah, that was this maybe says something about me, But

1075
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Speaker 14: that was maybe the post that made me the angriest

1076
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 14: of anything they've done, because I have a deep seated

1077
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 14: reaction to feeling like someone who thinks I'm stupid, And

1078
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 14: all I could think is, do you think I'm an idiot?

1079
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 14: When I saw their reaction to this, Because we are

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Speaker 14: often criticized for the numbers we post online.

1081
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Speaker 5: We can't tell you everything.

1082
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Speaker 14: Sorry, And then they went on this big half explanation

1083
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 14: about stingrays and cell site simulator.

1084
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Speaker 4: Cell site simulators.

1085
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Speaker 14: Yeah, but they didn't explain what those actually do. They

1086
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Speaker 14: did not explicitly claim they were being surveilled by one,

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Speaker 14: and they didn't explain why the existence of stingrays and

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01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 14: cell site simulators means that they should.

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Speaker 3: Do all this on Facebook instead posting numbers does not

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Speaker 3: bypass the security concerns posed by the presence of a

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Speaker 3: cell site simulator. No, because you're still posting publicly on

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01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,919
Speaker 3: the Internet. That doesn't matter at all. Yeah, you're pulling

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01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: something out of your asse that sounds technical, that's going

1094
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 3: to trick your you know, average boomer and maybe you

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01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 3: know three out of five gen X people who are

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01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 3: scrolling Facebook slash Blue Sky and like that's that's all

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01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 3: they need to do. But for anyone who knows what

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01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 3: a cell site simulator is or how like internet communications works,

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Speaker 3: it's very very clear that this is just like completely bullshit.

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Speaker 14: It's completely bullshit because you're right that this is all

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01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 14: they need to do. They just need to deflect. And

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01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 14: I think that's what stood out to me about this

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01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 14: post in particular, is that it showed me that the

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01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 14: person or people behind all the time ps have a

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01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 14: genuine level of pr skill. You know, they have a

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01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 14: certain level of what I think is a real skill

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01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 14: at deflection public relations and being able to spin what

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01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 14: they're saying. You know, that's a genuine skill. It's a

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01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 14: shame that it's being applied to this instead of, I mean,

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01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 14: anything else, but that is a skill that they have

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01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 14: that they're able to deploy in defense of their conspiratorial posting.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that they post in relation to the numbers.

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01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 3: Is there one time forward catchphrase general public can disregard.

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01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 4: Don want to talk about the context of those posts.

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01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 14: Yes, those were replies that they would make to the

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01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 14: numbers posts, usually to the numbers posts, but occasionally to.

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01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 5: Some other cryptic thing they would post.

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01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 14: They would post their numbers, say forty four, and then

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01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 14: they would reply to themselves saying general public can disregard,

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01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 14: or they'd say please disregard if you are a member

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01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 14: of the general public. And there were a lot of

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01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 14: people online who saw that and thought, oh, that must

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01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 14: mean it's a code.

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Speaker 5: It has to be real.

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01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 3: They're engaged in some sort of like secret agent spy work,

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01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 3: and this is very really important.

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01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, And I would see a lot of people

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Speaker 14: push back on any criticism that the account would get

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01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 14: for this by saying things like, it's code for a reason.

1130
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 14: You know, guys, they're speaking in code. Don't try to

1131
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 14: crack the code. It's not for us, you know, this

1132
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 14: is for the coalition. And whenever anybody would say I

1133
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 14: don't think this is real or like any of the

1134
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 14: things we've talked about about, why does this make sense,

1135
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 14: they would instantly be accused of being a right wing

1136
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 14: infiltrator or a troll or a MAGA spy or something

1137
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 14: like that. You know, there can be no actual criticism

1138
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 14: of the account. There can only be infiltration.

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01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that does have more like Q overlap, I

1140
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 4: suppose absolutely. I don't know.

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01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 3: It's odd because like throughout through writing about all this

1142
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 3: like bluing on stuff. As much as this stuff is

1143
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 3: a legitimate problem, like which it is, it's just a

1144
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 3: symptom of a larger political problem in America, and the

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01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 3: people engaged with it, if anything, are kind of victims

1146
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 3: as well as like perpetrators. And like this was the

1147
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 3: same thing with like Q and on, where like your

1148
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 3: average person engaged with it as bad as it is

1149
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 3: and some of the stuff that they might like say

1150
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 3: or do, I also just feel bad for the people involved.

1151
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 4: And it's this same thing with this.

1152
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 3: As annoying as this kind of like lib slop can be,

1153
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 3: the people who have to have to believe in something

1154
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 3: like this in order to like keep going that it's

1155
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 3: kind of like a tragedy in a way, and this

1156
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 3: is obviously is serving some important psychological function for them.

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01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 14: Yeah, I totally agree, And I think that's that sadness.

1158
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 14: I think is what keeps me wanting to engage with this.

1159
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 14: You know, when I look at this and I see

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01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 14: alt Enps trying to get people to buy their T

1161
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 14: shirts or just farm engagement, that's not remarkable to me.

1162
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 14: That's normal that happens on the internet all the time.

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01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 14: What keeps me coming back to wanting to fight this

1164
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 14: and wanting to document all this is the people I

1165
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 14: see in the replies. Yeah, the people who say that

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01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 14: alt Enps brings them so much hope. It's what's keeping

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01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 14: them from falling into despair. And it's not that I

1168
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 14: want to take that away from them, it's that I

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01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 14: don't like that their need for that is being used.

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01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like a predatory mode of trying to

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01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 3: capitalize on that.

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01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 14: Absolutely. Yeah, the account is trying to capitalize on people's

1173
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 14: need for hope. You know, they need to believe that

1174
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 14: there is someone fighting for them because in a lot

1175
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 14: of ways, it doesn't feel like anyone is. You know,

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01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 14: it feels like our politicians are ineffectual, our institutions are crumbling.

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Speaker 14: We need someone be there. We need ironically, we need

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01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 14: patriots to be in control. Yeah, we need to trust

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01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 14: the plant. There is an appeal to that, and I

1180
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 14: do understand that. I understand that these people are looking

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01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 14: for a light in the darkness, and I really can't

1182
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 14: pretend that I'm not doing the same thing totally through

1183
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 14: my writing on this. I need something to cling to,

1184
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 14: and I can't blame anybody for feeling that way too.

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01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 3: I mean, that's why I feel like your project, though,

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01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 3: it comes from a much better and healthier place, because

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01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 3: you're looking at this like decline in nationwide American sanity

1188
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 3: and trying to do something about it, even if that's

1189
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 3: just a documentation, and then writing about it and trying

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01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,440
Speaker 3: to explain to people and like help help people understand

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01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 3: where the psyche of the country is. And I think

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01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,839
Speaker 3: part of what makes me so interested in your project

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01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 3: is that, like it reminds me a little bit of

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01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 3: people who started studying QAnon, you know, back in like

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01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.

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01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, back when.

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01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 3: It's just this little, cute, small thing, and then you

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01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 3: fast forward years later they realize they've actually done some

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01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 3: extremely important like work documenting a phenomenon that is shaping

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01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:11,839
Speaker 3: the trajectory of our country.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if.

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01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 3: Alt National Park Service is going to evolve in the

1203
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 3: same way. But I think the slow embrace of this

1204
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 3: sort of conspiratoral thinking among decently sized like chunks of

1205
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 3: the democratic base, I think is very notable and work.

1206
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 3: Like what you're doing, I think actually has a really

1207
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 3: important place in trying to like map where our country

1208
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 3: might might be headed. And yeah, in a few years

1209
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 3: it might somehow it might turn out to be super

1210
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 3: important when the Libs finally do their own JA six.

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01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 14: So yeah, I mean, I to be honest, I would

1212
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 14: be very happy if this whole thing petered out.

1213
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 5: Sure, you know, I would be very happy if.

1214
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 14: One day the account just stops posting and there is

1215
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 14: no years long continuation with this like there was was

1216
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 14: something like you or not, you know. But I do

1217
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 14: think Altenps is a part of a broader ecosystem of

1218
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 14: this blue and on world. And you know, I do

1219
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 14: agree with what you said earlier that bluanon is a

1220
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 14: phrase that I think does get overused, that there are

1221
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 14: some things that are just normal people, you know, expressing

1222
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 14: their political opinions that kind of gets derided as oh,

1223
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 14: blue and not, but it really is just people being

1224
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 14: normal or people being extremely online. But Altenps is a

1225
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 14: part of a bigger world of this sort of vaguely

1226
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 14: left wing conspiracism. You know, I'm seeing a lot of

1227
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 14: crossover between people who post in reply to al t

1228
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 14: enps and people who have this sort of mantra about

1229
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 14: Trump that he wasn't shot, he didn't win, he's on

1230
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 14: the list. And you see that exact phrase, you know,

1231
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 14: post it over and over.

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01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 5: And over again.

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01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 14: It's in pictures, it's in memes, it's in people's posts.

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01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 14: And I think all t NPS is a part of that.

1235
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 14: I think they're emblematic of that. Yeah, that you are

1236
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 14: not immune to conspiratorial think.

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01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 3: We are not better than that now, and they're facilitating

1238
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 3: I think that mindset. I think liberals became so susceptible

1239
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 3: to it because they had this conception that they're immune

1240
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 3: to it, that conspiracy thinking is something that only exists

1241
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 3: on the political right.

1242
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 5: Yes, that's for other people, And this is part.

1243
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 3: Of what I'm going to write about it, like in general,

1244
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 3: but like the way that consensus reality was like sheared

1245
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 3: down so heavily during the first Rump administration and like

1246
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 3: parts of the Body administration by people on the right

1247
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 3: that like weakened this notion we have of Consettu's reality

1248
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:43,839
Speaker 3: that then liberals kind of got blindsided by when events

1249
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 3: happened that were hard to understand or felt so surreal

1250
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 3: or like bombastic, that it allowed a split that was

1251
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 3: already there to grow into a pretty wide opening where

1252
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,919
Speaker 3: you now believe that major historical events are fake and staged,

1253
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,919
Speaker 3: that an election is stolen.

1254
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 4: And you're like, what, what does this remind you of?

1255
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 3: Like?

1256
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: What?

1257
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 3: Yes, one of the things you're saying remind you of.

1258
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 3: Isn't this part of why you're against the Trump movement

1259
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 3: in the first place.

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01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 14: Yeah, And I think God help you if you ever

1261
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 14: try and point that out. Yeah, you know, to a

1262
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 14: lot of the people in these replies, it's just like, hey, guys,

1263
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 14: doesn't a lot of this smell a lot like you

1264
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 14: or not? You know, doesn't this sound a lot like

1265
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 14: the way people talked about the twenty twenty election? You know,

1266
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 14: doesn't this smell the same way? And that is when

1267
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,919
Speaker 14: people in especially in al t NPS's replies, will go nuclear,

1268
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 14: you know. There, I've seen some incredible dog piles in

1269
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 14: response to people bringing this up, even if it's if

1270
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 14: it's anodyne, you know, even if it is just hey guys,

1271
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 14: just a reminder, I think this is something that we

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01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 14: should you know, maybe I'll take with a grain of salt.

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01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,759
Speaker 14: People go nuts, you know. They they need to believe

1274
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 14: it needs to be real and it needs to be unquestioned,

1275
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 14: and that there can be no good faith questioning of

1276
01:13:59,439 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 14: this idea.

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01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 3: Do you know what else is an unquestioned truth that

1278
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 3: we have to go on one more ad break before

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01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 3: we return to conclude our discussion on the Alt National

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01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 3: Park Service. It's easy to see how they reached just

1281
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 3: a certain like ceiling on how much they can just

1282
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 3: numbers post and have that be a reliable method of

1283
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 3: engagement that they've started to like experiment with with with

1284
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 3: different types of posting to see what makes people stick,

1285
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 3: who can help with engagement over a long period of

1286
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 3: time instead of just like rocketing to like virality first

1287
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 3: but then having a stable audience. And now they're basically

1288
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 3: a news aggregator account but deceptively framing where they are

1289
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 3: getting their their news from.

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01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 14: Yeah, they are a news aggregator account with massive caveats.

1291
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, well, I mean I think most news aggregator

1292
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 3: accounts are actually bad. Yeah, I'd agree this is something

1293
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 3: we saw in twenty twenty was how unreliable news aggregator

1294
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 3: accounts were and how much of a harm that they caused.

1295
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 3: And I see the current version of all National Park

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01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 3: Service as kind of an extension of that taken to

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01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 3: a slightly higher level.

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Speaker 4: I suppose I'm.

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Speaker 14: Obsessed with this, you know, I've said that a few times,

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Speaker 14: but I've documented what I think is most of the

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Speaker 14: time that they have posted a news article without attribution

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Speaker 14: and either just described something where they could have or

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Speaker 14: should have posted a link to an actual article, or

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Speaker 14: more often just copy pasting sections of an article and

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Speaker 14: reposting it as though they wrote it. You know, those

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Speaker 14: are the ones that really get me. Those are the

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Speaker 14: aspects of their news aggregation where you say this is

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Speaker 14: just plagiarism. You know, this is just you stealing verbatim

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Speaker 14: from an article and acting as though you wrote it

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Speaker 14: because you want your audience to think that you are

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Speaker 14: a government insider with all this inside information, and that

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Speaker 14: information like that is coming first to you, not to

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Speaker 14: the New York Times, not to CNN.

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Speaker 4: Even though you're just posting sections of the New York

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Speaker 4: Times and CNN.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, they took the first, I think three

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Speaker 14: paragraphs of an article from Wired, and did it word

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Speaker 14: for word, didn't link to Wired, didn't say where it

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01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 14: came from, and implied that the information was being sent

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Speaker 14: to the rangers of the all National Park Service instead

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Speaker 14: of two journalists at Wired. This happens constantly, you know,

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Speaker 14: and every time I think, well, they've been posting more

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Speaker 14: link slately, they've been linking directly to actual sources of information.

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Speaker 14: Every time I start thinking that, they do it again.

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Speaker 14: You know, they steal another thing again, or they've started

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Speaker 14: posting to court watcher or directly to government documents in

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Speaker 14: what I'm thinking as an attempt to dodge accusations like

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Speaker 14: the one I make. Somebody in my comments described it

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Speaker 14: as the don't cite Wikipedia, cite Wikipedia's reference page problem.

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Speaker 14: They're reading an article from NPR, and rather than just saying, hey,

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Speaker 14: we've heard this in NPR, they're going to NPR's citation

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Speaker 14: of the Department of Justice and linking directly to that

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Speaker 14: instead to make it look like they're diligently watching government

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Speaker 14: court records and posting them for our benefit the moment

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Speaker 14: they come out, instead of just we saw this in

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Speaker 14: the Washington.

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Speaker 3: Post and they've been engaging this for like a few

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Speaker 3: months now with this sort of behavior.

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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, they've been doing that since January February. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: they've also started claiming for a while, and then they

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Speaker 14: stopped that. One of their sources they would list at

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Speaker 14: the end of their posts was an unnamed official in

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Speaker 14: whatever relevant government agency they were talking about. Our services

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Speaker 14: include this newspaper, this website, and an unnamed Department of

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Speaker 14: Justice official, an unnamed Department of Education official. They suddenly

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Speaker 14: stopped doing that as soon as they started. There was

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Speaker 14: about a week or two where that was behind about

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Speaker 14: every post.

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Speaker 3: Anything else you want to add about either the existence

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01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 3: of these alt accounts or like any other aspect of

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Speaker 3: this world you want to mention before we before we

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Speaker 3: close up.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I do have two quick ones, and the first

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Speaker 14: is that among the alt accounts that you see online,

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Speaker 14: the Alt National Park Service is overwhelmingly the most malicious

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Speaker 14: and the most harmful. You know, there are may be

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01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 14: a couple others that get a little wild, that are

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Speaker 14: maybe a little conspiratorial. I think Alt Noah has been

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Speaker 14: kind of in the spotlight for that lately, but a

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Speaker 14: lot of them, like Alt CDC, the Alt Forest Service.

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Speaker 14: All these random little alt government agency accounts are pretty harmless,

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01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 14: you know. They really are just posting links to news

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Speaker 14: articles or given updates on their relevant agency.

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Speaker 5: ALT.

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Speaker 14: Forest Service mostly talks about the Forest Service. ALT CDC

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Speaker 14: mostly talks about the CDC. ALT NPS basically never talks

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Speaker 14: about the National Park Service. I think I can cut

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Speaker 14: on one hand the times that they have said anything

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Speaker 14: about the parks. There was a point when I think

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Speaker 14: it was in the big beautiful budget bill where there

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Speaker 14: were these massive cuts being proposed to the National Park Service,

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Speaker 14: and they talked about the bill as a whole and

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Speaker 14: didn't mention anything about the cuts of the Park Service.

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Speaker 3: Well, you never know who's watching the communication channels.

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Speaker 4: You got to be careful. There's cell site simulators out there.

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Speaker 14: There's cell site simulators out there. And then the second

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Speaker 14: thing is that I'm always very careful in my writing

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01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 14: and in my posts to emphasize that the people who

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Speaker 14: followed this account are not the problem the account itself is.

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Speaker 14: You know, I always want to make sure to have

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Speaker 14: a lot of empathy for people who follow this account,

1382
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 14: because I understand why they did, I understand the hope

1383
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 14: they're looking for, and I never want to do what

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01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 14: I see some people do in the replies to Altenps's posts,

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01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 14: which is dunking on their followers. You know, how do

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01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 14: you rubes believe this? Do you idiots still think this

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01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 14: is real? I never want to do that because that

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01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 14: doesn't help anyone. What that does is make them dig in,

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01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 14: It makes them double down. So I always want to

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01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 14: make sure to treat the followers of these accounts with respect,

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01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 14: you know, treat them with empathy, talk to them like

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01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 14: a person. Yeah, And that's how I've managed to get

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Speaker 14: a few people to get out. I've managed to have

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01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 14: people tell me that it was through my writing and

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01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 14: other people's work on this topic that they were able

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Speaker 14: to get out, they were able to disengage from this.

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Speaker 5: World of fake spies and code numbers. And I think

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Speaker 5: that matters.

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Speaker 14: I think that that helps with every little bit we do,

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01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 14: and it starts by just being nice to people, just

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01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 14: being kind to people who are looking for hope in

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01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:35,560
Speaker 14: the world we live in.

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01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 3: Where can people find your work both on social media

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01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 3: and then also you're writing.

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01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 14: You can find me on blue Sky at altwatcher dot

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01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 14: bsky dot social and I am unfortunately still on substack

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01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 14: at my name, it's Jajoyce Lynch dot substack dot com.

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Speaker 14: And also look for dispatches from the Online Void is

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01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 14: the name of the blog.

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Speaker 3: There should absolutely be more people reading your Dispatches from

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01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 3: the Online Void, some very very solid work just straightly

1412
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 3: documenting the phenomenon that we've been talking about this episode

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01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 3: and specifically the old National Park Service.

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Speaker 5: Well, I really appreciate it.

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01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fantastic, very like, non editorialized, just showing you

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01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 3: what's happening, extremely well put together.

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Speaker 5: Well, thanks, thanks, and nice for you to say thanks.

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Speaker 3: Again to Jack for talking with me about alt National

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01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:30,759
Speaker 3: Park Service. I strongly recommend people seek out his research,

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Speaker 3: both on Dispatches from the Online Void and Blue Sky.

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Speaker 3: Before I close this episode, I want to remind everybody

1422
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Speaker 3: that you two are not immune to propaganda. This past weekend,

1423
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 3: the internet has been a buzz with rumors and speculation

1424
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 3: that Trump died over the weekend or was actively dying,

1425
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,560
Speaker 3: and there's been attempts to cover it up, when in

1426
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,440
Speaker 3: fact he just went on a brief Labor Day weekend holiday.

1427
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 3: People were sharing ai altered images to make Trump look

1428
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 3: more sickly and were speculating about road closures around Walter

1429
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 3: Reed Medical Center, sharing a map with roads blocked off,

1430
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 3: but in fact there were no irregular road closures, and

1431
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 3: this map of supposed closures that was spreading online just

1432
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 3: showed old security gates. People concocted elaborate theories that Putin

1433
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 3: poisoned Trump during their last meeting, and that when the

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01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 3: quote unquote President was supposed to give an announcement on

1435
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 3: Tuesday afternoon, it would be Trump resigning for health reasons,

1436
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 3: or Vance would come out and announced Trump died and

1437
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,839
Speaker 3: he is now the president. And sure enough, come Tuesday afternoon,

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Speaker 3: Trump appeared perfectly normal for a press conference. Even in

1439
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 3: the lead up to the press conference, I saw people

1440
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,839
Speaker 3: continuing these conspiracy theories with sometimes a tat of irony.

1441
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 3: But as the press conference got delayed an hour, there

1442
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 3: was more and more speculation about Trump's declining health and yeah,

1443
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 3: he is an old man, but he's not going to

1444
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 3: drop dead this weekend.

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01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 4: This isn't true.

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01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 3: This is a copium strategy, and the way people have

1447
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 3: been talking about it is very similar to the liberal

1448
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories that I've been reading about these past few weeks.

1449
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 3: And as fun as it can be, to speculate about

1450
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 3: a president's health, as many people did last time we

1451
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 3: had a geriatric president?

1452
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 5: When was that?

1453
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 3: Oh last year? But as much fun as it is,

1454
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 3: things can quickly spiral out of your conspiratorial control, even

1455
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 3: when your percipasion is from the safety of ironic detachment.

1456
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 3: I'll talk a little bit more about Trump's imminent death

1457
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 3: theories on this week's episode of Executive Disorder, but until then,

1458
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 3: just remember you are not immune to propaganda.

1459
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Speaker 4: Welcome to it could happen here a podcast where by

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01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 4: my longtime home city of Chicago is preparing for a

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01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 4: federal occupation. I am your host, Mia Wong, and with

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01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 4: me to talk about what the fuck is going on

1463
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 4: about a thing that, at the end of last year,

1464
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 4: as bad as we thought this was going to be,

1465
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 4: was basically unimaginable. With you talked about. This is Raven,

1466
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 4: who's a journalist from the independent outlet Unraveled in Chicago,

1467
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 4: which does a lot of really really excellent work on

1468
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 4: the ground reporting on social movements in the city. You're

1469
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 4: putting on the government does a bunch of incredible works

1470
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 4: and some really good stuff on shot Spotter. Yeah, Raven,

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Speaker 4: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for such a beautiful intro.

1473
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, thanks for doing this. I don't know, like

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01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 4: I'm a really big fan of Unraveled. I think most

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01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 4: of the newspapers in Chicago it's just like just weird

1476
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 4: right wing rags, and getting actual good news out if

1477
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 4: the city is kind of difficult because it's like, yeah,

1478
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 4: we we have a good number.

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01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 15: Now, like digital indie outlets in the city, but once

1480
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 15: you get outside of Cook County, especially, you know, the

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01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 15: Chicago metro area is huge and like, yeah.

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01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: It's all like pink slime garbage, like everything's been brought out.

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01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 15: They don't have like real reporters anymore, so it can

1484
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 15: be a huge challenge to cover things like just in

1485
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 15: the collar counties, which is coincidentally also where a lot

1486
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 15: of this ice activity might be happening in the next yep,

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01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 15: forty five days, thirty days, however.

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Speaker 1: Long it lasts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's I guess from the jump before we

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01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 4: get into sort of the kind of long arc of

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01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 4: ice and the FEDS in in Chicago for the last year,

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Speaker 4: let's talk about Trump's thing to send in the National

1493
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 4: Guard and so off the pep in the city. I'm

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01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 4: really concerned about.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, you know, there's kind of two things happening simultaneously.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 15: Trump is threatening the National Guard, which has been a

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01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 15: thing like threatening the National Guard in Chicago has been

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01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 15: a thing with him for like a while, and it

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Speaker 15: can be very difficult to tease out like what what

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01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 15: level of it is propaganda.

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01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: And what level of it is like really happening.

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Speaker 15: Right. But the other more important part here is we

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Speaker 15: do know now like conclusively that DHS is planning a

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01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 15: large operation in like Los Angeles style. So everything that's

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Speaker 15: been happening around Lay for the last few months is

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Speaker 15: moving into Chicago. This is what the chief of Border

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Speaker 15: Patrol has said. You know, he just put out like

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01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 15: a social media video that was saying they're trading palm

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01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 15: trees for skyscrapers and bringing a few hundred guys with

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Speaker 15: DHS ice border patrol to Chicago.

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Speaker 1: So it's pretty wild.

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Speaker 15: I don't think I've ever seen border patrol in numbers

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01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 15: on the ground here in the Great Lakes.

1515
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: We've always known it's like this thing.

1516
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:04,719
Speaker 15: That cooking seembly happen because we're technically like a border city.

1517
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 1: But you know, to be staring at in the face

1518
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 1: now like it's real, like it's actually happening.

1519
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 15: It's obviously feels like a real emergency for our communities.

1520
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that's the interesting thing like talking

1521
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 4: to you and then talking to other people on the ground,

1522
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 4: is that like the National Guard deployment is what's getting

1523
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 4: all of the press, right, and people really aren't that

1524
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 4: worried about it. It's worth pointing out. So we're recording

1525
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 4: this on the morning of like Wednesday, September third, yea,

1526
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 4: So it's possible that stuff has changed by the time

1527
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 4: this episode goes out like tonight, because the situation is

1528
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 4: shifting really rapidly, right, But you know that there's this

1529
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 4: whole fight over whether the Texas National Guard is being

1530
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 4: deployed here on a federal deployment. But people don't really

1531
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 4: seem to be worried about the National Guard, and I

1532
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 4: think kind of for good reason. They didn't really. I mean,

1533
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 4: they did some stuff, I guess, but like they mostly

1534
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 4: kind of are there to make it look like there's

1535
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 4: troops in the street, right, while Ice in DHS does

1536
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 4: like the most horrific shit, right.

1537
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 15: That's been sort of the the understanding of what's happened

1538
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 15: in Los Angeles and then in DC it's gone a

1539
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 15: little bit differently just because they have so many FEDS already,

1540
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 15: so they've been able to do a lot of traffic

1541
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 15: stops in these little FED tactical teams. So you'll have

1542
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 15: like some FBI guys, some DA guys, maybe like an

1543
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 15: HSI guy I just read and woppole the other day,

1544
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 15: they've crashed like six cars in DC.

1545
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's really dangerous that kinds of stops.

1546
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 15: These guys are executing their jumpouts, right, It's not like

1547
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 15: opficer friends and like pulling you over a license and

1548
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 15: registration please.

1549
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's like really violent and they're in on

1550
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 1: mark cars and they're like trying to suffice people.

1551
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 15: So that is you know, also what we're expecting to

1552
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 15: see alongside like the ice ups is these FED teams

1553
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 15: crawling through the city.

1554
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know when they're going to be

1555
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: doing what where, but like.

1556
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 15: I said, the Chicago Land area, you know, the suburb

1557
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 15: everything around, it's very big. Yeah, you know, there's every

1558
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 15: indication this isn't going to be centralized just to like

1559
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 15: Downhoume chicag.

1560
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like I think there's something that's kind of

1561
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 4: hard to understand if you're not from Chicago, but like

1562
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:28,600
Speaker 4: even just the city proper is massive. Yeah, right, Like

1563
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 4: it takes like I mean, I haven't driven it in

1564
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 4: a long time, but like I think, I think if

1565
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 4: you're trying to go from like the top of like

1566
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 4: the North Side to like the bottom of the South Side,

1567
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 4: that's like hour and a half two hour drive, right,

1568
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 4: It's massive, right, And this.

1569
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 15: Naval station where they're basing operations isn't even in the city.

1570
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 15: It's two hours north than in in County. Yeah, so

1571
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 15: there are a lot of questions right now. I don't

1572
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,839
Speaker 15: have the answers. Nobody's going to know until it starts,

1573
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 15: but you know, there are a lot of questions now

1574
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 15: just kind of like how far into the city are

1575
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 15: there even going to go? You know, it's obviously, you

1576
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 15: know what we've seen out in Los Angeles with these

1577
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 15: like larger like workplace raids like car washes and home

1578
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 15: depot and stuff. It's really difficult to imagine them executing

1579
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 15: something like that in the city. I'm not going to

1580
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 15: say they couldn't try, but they would obviously need a

1581
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 15: lot of backup from border patrol. Yeah, to try something

1582
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,560
Speaker 15: like that even in the suburbs, which is what we

1583
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 15: saw in La.

1584
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 1: You know, that's who.

1585
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 15: Showed up those first few days when they were like

1586
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 15: tear gassing the fuck out of everybody, and it was

1587
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:28,679
Speaker 15: just like crazy.

1588
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: You know, that was border patrol. So what our eyes

1589
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: are on is something like that.

1590
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 15: And to your point about the National Guard and the press,

1591
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,600
Speaker 15: you know, it's part of the issue is like the politicians,

1592
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:43,719
Speaker 15: the electeds, like they can't say no to the fence,

1593
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 15: they can't say no to ice, like Ice is coming,

1594
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 15: DHS is coming, no matter.

1595
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 13: What they do.

1596
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: The Guard is a little more of like.

1597
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 15: A political football for them, and and Pritsker can can

1598
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 15: push back, and there's like you know, the arguments about

1599
01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 15: sending one states troops into another, and so there's more

1600
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 15: legal option, you know, all this stuff, right, But the

1601
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 15: FBI already has a field office here, I already has

1602
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 15: field offices here. You know, Like there's there's just I

1603
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 15: think also just a disconnect there because of like the

1604
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:16,799
Speaker 15: way the news reporting works is like, well, we're reporting

1605
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 15: on what the public officials are saying. Governor Pritsker did

1606
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 15: say pretty clearly actually like well, DHS is coming, you know,

1607
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 15: ICE is going to do these operations and we don't

1608
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 15: improve it, but we can't stop it.

1609
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think before we get more into that,

1610
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 4: I want to pivot to talk about what the presence

1611
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 4: of ICE has been in Chicago already, and I want

1612
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 4: to kind of like roll the clock back to right before,

1613
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 4: kind of like I think, like the literally the weekend

1614
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 4: before the big confrontations in LA started, there was a

1615
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 4: pretty big raid at a check in and a bunch

1616
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:55,600
Speaker 4: of stuff happened with that. I was wondering if you

1617
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 4: could talk about that a bit.

1618
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 15: Yeah, it was around the time when things popped off,

1619
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,639
Speaker 15: and earlier I don't remembers precisely, but around then.

1620
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it was like right before.

1621
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 15: Yeah. You know, they have these stuck in sights where

1622
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 15: people have to go and some of them are on

1623
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 15: like electronic monitoring and some no, and they check in

1624
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 15: with ICE, and so it was like an ambush, right

1625
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 15: Like people showed up and then they were like, oh,

1626
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,560
Speaker 15: we're actually like kidnapping you.

1627
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was very very ugly of course, you know,

1628
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,839
Speaker 1: like agents ripping people away from their families and friends.

1629
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 16: And we had some local electeds like trying to get

1630
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:33,720
Speaker 16: in the way of the van, and Chicago police of

1631
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 16: course showed up, and then there was this whole back

1632
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 16: and forth over whether the police really assisted.

1633
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,720
Speaker 1: ICE or not. And I mean they were there and

1634
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:43,719
Speaker 1: they did crib control.

1635
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, they definitely did.

1636
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 15: Like you know, it's it's very interesting what's happening with

1637
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,680
Speaker 15: CPD and ICE right now, because like, at the end

1638
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 15: of the day, cops are lazy above all else too write,

1639
01:32:56,760 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 15: you know, and so there's this kind of tension of like, well,

1640
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 15: we support what ICE is doing, and ideologically, like of

1641
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 15: course the pops are aligned with ICE, but they also

1642
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 15: like don't want to get out of their cars, you know.

1643
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: So it's kind of any any excuse they have not

1644
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 1: to do something they will take. So it's not that

1645
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:16,600
Speaker 1: we've seen them assisting with like.

1646
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 15: Enforcement removal operations, but of course if there's a protest,

1647
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 15: they're going to show up and police that.

1648
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 1: And then also, like data sharing is a huge issue there.

1649
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 15: I mean, like with fusion centers and with like block

1650
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 15: license plate data visas and everything, there's just the information

1651
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 15: is so porous between local cops and the Feds that

1652
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 15: it's just kind of absurd on a space to even

1653
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,919
Speaker 15: think that they're like not sharing information.

1654
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: Some of these cops are on task forces and they

1655
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: have like group.

1656
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 15: Chats together, you know, with DA and FBI agents, right,

1657
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 15: so it's all it's all connected, it's all porous. They're

1658
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 15: already working with the Feds, you know, it's just they

1659
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 15: can't visibly be seen assisting with immigration enforcing.

1660
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was a really traumtizing day for community.

1661
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:08,639
Speaker 15: Like an organizer here who was well known was taken

1662
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:11,719
Speaker 15: and she was a grandmother, so she had a family

1663
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 15: here too, you know, so it was brutal. And then

1664
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 15: around that time that that was happening, also, I started

1665
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:22,560
Speaker 15: escalating rusts at the immigration court downtown, which went on

1666
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 15: for a while and ultimately was stopped by protesters continuing

1667
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 15: to show up and just have a presence there. You know,

1668
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 15: these guys are terrified of being docks terrified. I mean,

1669
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 15: they just they really don't want to be filmed. And

1670
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 15: it's been a very different situation here in our courthouse

1671
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 15: versus New York's because I've seen so much photography out

1672
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 15: of the New York Immigration Court. For whatever reason, they

1673
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 15: allowed photos there, but they don't inside of ours. But

1674
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 15: you know, protesters started showing up there. I mean, we

1675
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 15: had been their documentary what was going on. Slowly people

1676
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 15: started trickling in, showing up and protesting, and eventually people

1677
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 15: started then ta making it to like actually blocking the

1678
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:05,839
Speaker 15: driveway that they were using a private parking garage belonging

1679
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 15: to the building, and so they were.

1680
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: Like going underground and then like waiting and then using

1681
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:11,879
Speaker 1: the great elevator. It was like the whole operation.

1682
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 15: Yeah, but ultimately the building put their click on and

1683
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:17,879
Speaker 15: ban them. You know, they got a lot of complaints

1684
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 15: from tenants. People didn't like that the protests were going

1685
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,719
Speaker 15: on shore, but people also were like in the building,

1686
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 15: people were ICE using our crad Yeah.

1687
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we used the power of the use of

1688
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 4: against them, deploy every weapon exactly.

1689
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly it was.

1690
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 15: It's kind of like a you know, diversity of tactics

1691
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 15: thing there where it's like the people who owned property

1692
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 15: in this building aren't super aligned with the like people

1693
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,679
Speaker 15: trying to block ICE spans. But but at that moment

1694
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 15: they joined yea, and you know, so so that that

1695
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,679
Speaker 15: was happening, and like while all of this is happening,

1696
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 15: of course ICE is still doing more dispersed traffic stops

1697
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 15: arresting people at their homes.

1698
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: It's been happening. It's happening all.

1699
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 15: Over out in Elgin, out in Waukegan, which is up

1700
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 15: by the Base of operations, you know, where they're setting

1701
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 15: up all of these operations for what's coming this week.

1702
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,639
Speaker 1: Waukegan, North Chicago and that area of Lake County.

1703
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:20,440
Speaker 15: There are a ton of imfants and they're not surrounded

1704
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 15: by necessarily like super progressive, super friendly people.

1705
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 1: Some can be.

1706
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:28,680
Speaker 15: I mean the politics in the North Shore, it's very

1707
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 15: like purple like it's weird. It's like you can have

1708
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 15: super progressive people, but then also like it can be

1709
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 15: out in the Boonie somewhere you'll see like Trump science.

1710
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:39,799
Speaker 15: So it's it's not as sympathetic as being in Enoughtown

1711
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,600
Speaker 15: Chicago for sure. Yeah, And so there's a lot of

1712
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 15: concern from people up around the base about what's going

1713
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 15: to happen in those communities because there's much less coverage,

1714
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 15: too much less eyes on them.

1715
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 4: Yep. I want to I want to talk more about

1716
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 4: sort of what enforcement has been looking like in outlying

1717
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 4: areas and what it's going to look like. The first

1718
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 4: we need to go to ads and we are back,

1719
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,600
Speaker 4: So I want to I kind of I want to

1720
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 4: follow the train that you've been on about the stuff

1721
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 4: in the center of the city versus the stuff in

1722
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 4: the outlying areas and across Chicagoland in general, which is

1723
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:32,800
Speaker 4: also just massive, unbelievably large geographic area. It has unbelievably

1724
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 4: large numbers of people, and also the concentrations get way

1725
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:40,800
Speaker 4: smaller really quickly. And I think, I don't know, it

1726
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 4: seems like the resistance inside of the city proper had

1727
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:47,680
Speaker 4: been pretty effective in a lot of ways, just in

1728
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 4: the sense of like shutting down the courthouse raids for

1729
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 4: the most part. But what have things looked like up

1730
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 4: near like Wakegan and like, yeah, in the sort of

1731
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 4: outlying areas in terms of like resistance and in terms

1732
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 4: of cooperation.

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01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,679
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean I've seen videos out of those places,

1734
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 15: you know, really harrowing scenes like traffic stops where they're

1735
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:17,640
Speaker 15: separating people from their families, showing up at people's homes.

1736
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:21,680
Speaker 1: Usually what's happening is we're not hearing you got it

1737
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 1: until after the facts.

1738
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:27,719
Speaker 15: And in the city there are like good response groups

1739
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:31,759
Speaker 15: going by different neighborhoods. But I think in general, sometimes

1740
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 15: it just doesn't feel very rapid because it's people are

1741
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:36,919
Speaker 15: are vetting, they're verifying.

1742
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:38,600
Speaker 1: There's a lot of false alarms, you know, there's a

1743
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:40,879
Speaker 1: lot going on. So that's what I've.

1744
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 15: Seen that's happened out in the burbs. You know, it's

1745
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 15: kind of, like I said, kind of a black hole

1746
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:49,560
Speaker 15: for news out there too. It's not always easy to

1747
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 15: get information, you know. We also had a case of

1748
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 15: like an ICE agent.

1749
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: Detaining a woman with her child at like a well,

1750
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 1: it wasn't.

1751
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 15: An agent, it was a contractor, contractor working for ICE

1752
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:08,600
Speaker 15: detaining an arrest tee out at an hotel.

1753
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 1: By Ohare Airport.

1754
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 15: That's something that that people are concerned about in a

1755
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 15: more general sense too, right now, because we actually literally

1756
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 15: just this morning, we're looking at a letter from the

1757
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 15: mayor of broad View, Illinois, which is where our processing

1758
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 15: center is, outlining how they're going to be operational seven

1759
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 15: days a week for the next forty five days, which

1760
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 15: to me implies like thousands of arrests potentially happening, and

1761
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 15: that facility is not set up.

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01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: It's not a long term detention center. Yeah, overnight detention

1763
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 1: is banned.

1764
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 15: In Illinois, so people have been kept there longer than

1765
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:44,600
Speaker 15: they technically are allowed.

1766
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:47,799
Speaker 1: To even with like without some huge surge happening.

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01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 15: So it kind of thinking about what's potentially coming and

1768
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 15: then using that center, it kind of follows that, Yeah,

1769
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 15: there could be more contractors keeping people in hotels like

1770
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 15: dispersed around, like there's just not enough space at that

1771
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 15: facility to keep up with that. And so because there

1772
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:08,759
Speaker 15: are also backups in the like ice logistics chain, because

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01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 15: like people have to be they can't be kept here

1774
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 15: long term, so they have to go to Gary Airport

1775
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,560
Speaker 15: to fly out somewhere, or detention center in Indiana or

1776
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:18,879
Speaker 15: Wisconsin or Michigan.

1777
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 4: So I guess there's a couple of things kinds of

1778
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 4: sort of resistant stuff I want to ask about. I remember,

1779
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 4: like got back in like twenty eighteen. I remember there

1780
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:28,759
Speaker 4: was a bunch of efforts to like block deportation flights

1781
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 4: out of the airport. Has up been still going no,

1782
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 4: I mean.

1783
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 15: There was a protest at Gary Airport very early on

1784
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 15: in the year. Actually it was like right after Trump

1785
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 15: was inaugurated. I think I know a photographer who was

1786
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 15: arrested some protesters.

1787
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:49,360
Speaker 1: It was really random.

1788
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Speaker 15: It was like towards the end of the protest, Gary

1789
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 15: police just decided to like grab and arrest a few people,

1790
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 15: and since then, I have not heard of any more

1791
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 15: protests or a time or attempts at intervention at Gary Airport.

1792
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 15: I mean, obviously it's not Chicago, it's Gary, so you know,

1793
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,760
Speaker 15: there's a smaller community there people would have to travel to.

1794
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:13,120
Speaker 15: I don't know if deportation, if any deportation flights are

1795
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 15: leaving from O'Hare.

1796
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 1: I don't believe so, but don't quote me on that.

1797
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

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01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's still like I feel like O'Hare is

1799
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 4: kind of a soft target for that in the sense of, like,

1800
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 4: I mean, it's annoying to get there, but like there

1801
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 4: is just a rail line that runs it directly into O'Hare,

1802
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 4: and you can flood it with a bunch of people

1803
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 4: pretty easily, like what happened to like the beginning of

1804
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:35,759
Speaker 4: Trump one.

1805
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 1: Right, we haven't seen anything like that yet.

1806
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 17: Yeah.

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01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, But it's also like I wonder if they're still

1808
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 4: thinking about that in terms of like the flight logistics,

1809
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 4: in terms of like wearing stuff primarily through Gary.

1810
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:50,599
Speaker 1: Oh, I see, yeah, that might be why.

1811
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1812
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 4: The other thing I'm wondering about is like, Okay, so

1813
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 4: I guess it looks like right now with the information

1814
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 4: we have that there planning to run their operations out

1815
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 4: of the military base. But everything that I've seen has

1816
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 4: been talking about like the National Guard operating out of

1817
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:10,200
Speaker 4: that base, but do we know where the FEDS are

1818
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 4: Its supposed to be operating out of.

1819
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:15,080
Speaker 15: The Feds are operating out of the base. The National

1820
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 15: Guard will will potentially operate out of the base if

1821
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 15: they come.

1822
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 1: But we don't have a lot of details on like

1823
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:23,719
Speaker 1: a National Guard deployment.

1824
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 15: And the other thing to keep in mind is like

1825
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 15: the National Guard are all younger people. Typically is a

1826
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 15: lot of young people, and they have like families and things.

1827
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 15: So that kind of information like a deployment right of

1828
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 15: like platoon or several platoons whatever the worst of National Guard.

1829
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:42,880
Speaker 1: It's not gonna stay secret for very long, right like,

1830
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Speaker 1: because we would know.

1831
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:48,599
Speaker 15: So I have not seen anything yet as a twelve

1832
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 15: thirty noon on Wednesday indicating that the National Guard specifically

1833
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 15: has rolled into that base.

1834
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:58,720
Speaker 1: That could change at any point, you know, I don't

1835
01:42:58,760 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: know what's.

1836
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:01,840
Speaker 15: Happened in the last hour to check the news, But

1837
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:05,599
Speaker 15: what we do know is that the DHS Operation Customs

1838
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,320
Speaker 15: and Border protection the FEDS that are coming.

1839
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 1: They are setting up a base.

1840
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 15: Of operations at that naval station, and the Navy said

1841
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 15: that they denied them lodging and that they have to

1842
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,600
Speaker 15: stay elsewhere like hotel. Wise, I don't know how that

1843
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 15: will work because that's like several hundred people. I guess

1844
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:26,679
Speaker 15: they're gonna have to disperse a lot around the suburbs

1845
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:28,680
Speaker 15: in order to do that. And I don't know the

1846
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 15: reason for the denial for the lodging. It could simply

1847
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 15: be they literally don't have space. You know, people are

1848
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:35,840
Speaker 15: actually like training there, like military and Navy and stuff.

1849
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 15: It's not like it's just empty, so they might not

1850
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 15: have had capacity for that. But supposedly they're gonna be

1851
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 15: doing office space there. I think the letter also mentioned

1852
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 15: they can do laundry, their emails like stuff like that.

1853
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:56,560
Speaker 15: But yeah, I mean that's that's like something that of

1854
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 15: course people have eyes on, because if you can locate

1855
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:01,360
Speaker 15: a hotel, that's how where people are saying, you know,

1856
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 15: that's like a pressure point.

1857
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think I think that's an interesting point that

1858
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 4: comes back to something you were saying earlier, which is

1859
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,280
Speaker 4: like it really looks like this is a lot of

1860
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 4: this is going to be targeted on the places close

1861
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 4: to the base, just because like if they're really like

1862
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:21,720
Speaker 4: two hours out from the city, it's like pretty difficult

1863
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 4: to do raids further right into the city, just on

1864
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:30,640
Speaker 4: the logistical level, and just like I don't know, just

1865
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 4: just in terms of like dealing with Chicago traffic.

1866
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:34,840
Speaker 12: It's like.

1867
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:39,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to exclude it as a possibility.

1868
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely possible, but it's.

1869
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 15: Like I just think when we look at inner city

1870
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 15: or urban policing, there are certain tactics that like local

1871
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 15: police use that we see the FEDS also using, right,

1872
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 15: like these unmarked cars, more covert operations, trying to move

1873
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:59,600
Speaker 15: really quickly and get in and out because they know

1874
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,200
Speaker 15: so that it's such a denser area and if rapid

1875
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 15: response shows up, people start showing up, then can get

1876
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 15: unsafe you know, for them as cops.

1877
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 1: And so we just we do know that those tactics work.

1878
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 1: We know that this is how they've been doing operations

1879
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 1: so far.

1880
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:22,120
Speaker 15: With more DHS agents and more customs and border production backup,

1881
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:25,920
Speaker 15: could they try for something bigger in the city, I

1882
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,320
Speaker 15: mean yes, Like we don't want to rule that out,

1883
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 15: trust me, Like it definitely could happen. But I think

1884
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 15: given the numbers that they are trying to reach at

1885
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 15: this point, what we have to prepare for is being.

1886
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 18: Really dispersed and just kind of everywhere, you know, like

1887
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 18: and like that traffic like you mentioned, you know, it's yeah,

1888
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 18: it's like obviously if they're driving like three in the

1889
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 18: morning or something, they're not going to face as much

1890
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 18: traffic up.

1891
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety four.

1892
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:56,320
Speaker 15: But like, yeah, there's also the like covertness of it too,

1893
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 15: Like you can't just drive a bunch of military vehicles

1894
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 15: down the highway for an hour and a half and

1895
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 15: not be sighted or spotted right like, so then you'd

1896
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 15: be giving like you're giving people more opportunities potentially intervene.

1897
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:13,120
Speaker 15: So I don't know, I mean, I think like we'll

1898
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:15,640
Speaker 15: see them in the city for sure. We'll see them

1899
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:17,880
Speaker 15: in the burbs for sure. Whether or not we're going

1900
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 15: to see like teams of like border patrol, you know,

1901
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:24,600
Speaker 15: in like full riot kit marching through like Pilsen that,

1902
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 15: I don't know. I think it's something that probably they

1903
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:30,160
Speaker 15: want to do. I'm sure those dudes would be amped

1904
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 15: as fuck to like, you know, be in downtown Chicago,

1905
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 15: like harassing people, you know, beating up people, but from

1906
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:41,799
Speaker 15: an operational security standpoint, like for them.

1907
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 1: It is like so dangerous.

1908
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I just I don't know. So so, speaking

1909
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:48,799
Speaker 4: speaking of dangers, we're going to go to these ads

1910
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 4: and then we're going to come back and talk about

1911
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 4: Oh god, is rumors the right word to describe something

1912
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 4: that the governor is saying about the target getting to

1913
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:01,759
Speaker 4: the Mexican Independence State Parade?

1914
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 1: But maybe not rumor? Maybe maybe just statement.

1915
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will, we'll figure we'll figure out the verbiage

1916
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:25,840
Speaker 4: when we returned. Yeah, we are back. So one of

1917
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:29,320
Speaker 4: the things that Governor Pritzker has said is that Stephen Miller,

1918
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:32,479
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna read this quote. This is an NBC.

1919
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 4: I'm gonna read this quote, just that Pritzker said at

1920
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 4: a conference, we have reason to believe that Stephen Miller

1921
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 4: chose the month of September to come to Chicago because

1922
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 4: celebrations around Mexican Independence Day that happened here every year.

1923
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:47,680
Speaker 4: And yeah, you know. He further said, it breaks my

1924
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:49,880
Speaker 4: heart to report that we have been told ICE will

1925
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:53,000
Speaker 4: try and disrupt community picnics and peaceful parades. He said,

1926
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 4: let's be clear, the terror and cruelty is the point,

1927
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:59,560
Speaker 4: not the safety of anyone living here. So yeah, I

1928
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:01,680
Speaker 4: guess I want to start by talking a little bit

1929
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 4: about these parades themselves, because they are a absolutely massive

1930
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:07,799
Speaker 4: event in Chicago. There's like a big one in Pilsen,

1931
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 4: but also like I'm just all over the city. There's

1932
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 4: just a bunch of people driving around with Mexican flags rocks.

1933
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 4: There's people celebrating. It's really cool.

1934
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 15: Yeah, it turns into more of like a like a

1935
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 15: widespread like car caravan thing. Ye, there'll be a lot

1936
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 15: of yeah, you know, and like here's the thing. I know,

1937
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:33,639
Speaker 15: traffic jams are annoying to like anybody, but when it's

1938
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:36,040
Speaker 15: in celebration of something.

1939
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, its pick the train that day, it's great.

1940
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 15: I mean, I understand the arguments for like, well, ambulances

1941
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 15: need to get through things like that, but I think

1942
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:49,959
Speaker 15: there's a lot of power in people taking the streets

1943
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 15: and like, you know, the cars are just the easiest.

1944
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 1: Way to get massive amounts of people around.

1945
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 15: And then there's a lot of like there's a street

1946
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 15: culture here around like street takeovers too, and and this

1947
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:05,720
Speaker 15: happens outside of like Mexican Independence Day, where like some

1948
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 15: some people will take over an intersection and do donuts

1949
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:11,160
Speaker 15: and and set off.

1950
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 1: Fireworks and like yeah, yell at the cops and whatever.

1951
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:18,040
Speaker 4: Right, it's fun, it's cool. It's it's good.

1952
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:20,679
Speaker 1: That happens in cities.

1953
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 15: And I think when it comes to living in a city,

1954
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:27,599
Speaker 15: it's like, yeah, you you're trading certain things for other things,

1955
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:29,360
Speaker 15: and and and stuff like that happens.

1956
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:31,920
Speaker 1: And so with Mexican Independence Day, it's like we we

1957
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:33,040
Speaker 1: we can have like.

1958
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:35,560
Speaker 15: Sustained nights where that is just going on and on,

1959
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:37,960
Speaker 15: like the loop will be jammed up, like everyone will

1960
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:38,599
Speaker 15: be jammed up.

1961
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:41,400
Speaker 1: And of course there's like the public safety people who

1962
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:42,519
Speaker 1: like whine about it.

1963
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:45,680
Speaker 4: And and you know, yeah, this is also like a

1964
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 4: big like like white people of the city get really

1965
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:54,200
Speaker 4: fucking pissed about this like every year. First like oh no, no, no, no,

1966
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 4: look at the Mexicans, Like it's just like and like

1967
01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 4: like the most racist shit you've ever heard in your

1968
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 4: entire life. And there's the people sort of below that

1969
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:05,880
Speaker 4: who will couch it and like, oh uh public safety, right,

1970
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:08,760
Speaker 4: and I'm going to be really fucking mean to these people,

1971
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:11,000
Speaker 4: which is like if you're if you're pissed off at

1972
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:14,679
Speaker 4: a bunch of people like basically doing their own parade.

1973
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:17,680
Speaker 4: You are not fit to live in a city, Like

1974
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 4: get the fuck out of here, Like, fuck off, go

1975
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 4: back to the suburbs, you dip shits. You're fucking losers.

1976
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 4: You're not fit for urban life, like elight dick, the

1977
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 4: shit rules.

1978
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 19: Yeah, it's Yeah, the reaction to it is like so

1979
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:36,559
Speaker 19: so over the top, And it's the kind of thing

1980
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:39,800
Speaker 19: where like when when Trump is like talking about the

1981
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:43,919
Speaker 19: National Guard and responding to crime in Chicago or disorder,

1982
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 19: you know, that's the kind of thing I could see

1983
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:48,559
Speaker 19: him like ordering them into.

1984
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 15: Respond to, you know, especially if there's like there's like

1985
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:54,080
Speaker 15: a shooting or something that happens towards the tail end

1986
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:57,680
Speaker 15: of one of these celebrations, which again, you know, it's

1987
01:50:57,760 --> 01:50:59,360
Speaker 15: like that that's a risk.

1988
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:01,679
Speaker 1: Anytime large months and people gather anywhere.

1989
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:05,400
Speaker 15: Interpersonal violence freaking out right, like again, is a thing

1990
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 15: that happens, and the.

1991
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:10,200
Speaker 1: Direct cause of it is never like people partying. The

1992
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:10,920
Speaker 1: direct cause of.

1993
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:13,320
Speaker 15: It is usually like somebody's got a beat with somebody,

1994
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:16,719
Speaker 15: or somebody drank too much and lost in pulse control,

1995
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:17,960
Speaker 15: you know, whatever the reason might be.

1996
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that is, Like I think that's

1997
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:23,360
Speaker 1: what Pritzker is alluding to.

1998
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:26,080
Speaker 15: It's kind of like the car caravan and stuff when

1999
01:51:26,120 --> 01:51:29,000
Speaker 15: he says, like Steven Miller is bringing ice to interrupt

2000
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:31,000
Speaker 15: family picnics, Like I don't I don't know where he's

2001
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 15: getting that information, Like I don't know that that is

2002
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 15: like specifically going to happen. You know, I think given

2003
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:41,040
Speaker 15: what we've seen out in LA, unless I've missed anything,

2004
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:44,640
Speaker 15: it doesn't seem like they've attacked any like festivals or

2005
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:47,559
Speaker 15: like like public gatherings like that, like in a direct way.

2006
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:48,160
Speaker 3: You know.

2007
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 15: I think like logistically it's just maybe not as easy

2008
01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 15: to necessarily like grab people with questionable immigration status at

2009
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:56,760
Speaker 15: that kind of stuff. And if you go to like

2010
01:51:57,120 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 15: a place where you know, like the car wash wherever

2011
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:03,679
Speaker 15: they have intel that it's like undocumented people are working here.

2012
01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:05,120
Speaker 1: It makes more sense.

2013
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:07,720
Speaker 15: So I don't want to rule out that something like

2014
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:10,240
Speaker 15: that could happen, but I think I think there's a

2015
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:13,760
Speaker 15: whether it happens or not. It's like part of it

2016
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 15: is also the intention is to have this chilling effect,

2017
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:21,519
Speaker 15: like to make people afraid to celebrate or come out,

2018
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:24,560
Speaker 15: to cause that terror, you know, It's kind of like

2019
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:28,200
Speaker 15: we had a situation a couple months ago where some

2020
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:31,479
Speaker 15: FEDS who claimed they were with like a financial crimes

2021
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:34,160
Speaker 15: task force. It wasn't even Ice, but I don't know

2022
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 15: what they were doing, and they were meeting up at

2023
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 15: a boathouse parking lot in Humboldt Park like a week

2024
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:44,280
Speaker 15: before all these cultural celebrations in the area, and people

2025
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:45,600
Speaker 15: got really freaked out because it.

2026
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:47,240
Speaker 1: Was just like, what the fuck are you guys doing?

2027
01:52:47,320 --> 01:52:50,080
Speaker 15: And they like went into the museum and were like

2028
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 15: questioning workers and asking you the bathroom and I mean,

2029
01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:57,599
Speaker 15: just being assholes, it sounds like. And then they laughed,

2030
01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:00,320
Speaker 15: and then there were like all these questions swirling like

2031
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:03,400
Speaker 15: well what was this, Like were they seeking intel before

2032
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:06,120
Speaker 15: these fests? And you know, people made sure to like

2033
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:09,080
Speaker 15: we wanted we wanted to still have these fasts, but

2034
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 15: we want people to show up in even bigger numbers,

2035
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:12,479
Speaker 15: like powering numbers.

2036
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 1: Everybody show up, and that's what happens.

2037
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:18,760
Speaker 15: And you know, they didn't attack the fest, And you know,

2038
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:21,080
Speaker 15: that was a really weird situation because it wasn't Ice

2039
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:22,240
Speaker 15: and we didn't know what was going on.

2040
01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:23,679
Speaker 4: But I think.

2041
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 15: Ultimately, like yeah, giving in and like staying home and

2042
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:31,240
Speaker 15: refusing to show up obviously just plays right into their hands.

2043
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:35,040
Speaker 4: And I wanted to kind of pivot a little bit

2044
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:38,840
Speaker 4: from this into the way that Pritzker has sort of

2045
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:42,160
Speaker 4: been framing this, where he's talking about how if anyone

2046
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:44,000
Speaker 4: throws a sandwich at the guard, this is going to

2047
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:46,240
Speaker 4: be used as like the excuse to do a crackdown,

2048
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:49,120
Speaker 4: and like I think, yeah, they're gonna they're gonna do

2049
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:53,240
Speaker 4: the crackdown anyways, Like I don't think that's like.

2050
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:56,759
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the central kind of point of conflict.

2051
01:53:56,840 --> 01:53:59,840
Speaker 15: I think in like a lot of movement space to

2052
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,680
Speaker 15: discussions right now too, especially among kind of.

2053
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:05,799
Speaker 1: Like older liberals and like the younger generation.

2054
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:08,640
Speaker 15: And part of it is is like, yeah, there's this

2055
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:12,840
Speaker 15: insistence that, well, he's looking for a reason to send

2056
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,400
Speaker 15: in the National Guards, so don't give him more.

2057
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 1: But it's like border patrol is the reason. Yeah, you know,

2058
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,800
Speaker 1: like they're going to show up, and I don't know

2059
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:22,320
Speaker 1: how it's.

2060
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:24,080
Speaker 15: Going to go down, if it's going to be walking again,

2061
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 15: if it's going to be in Chicago, whatever is going

2062
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 15: to happen.

2063
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 1: But if somebody throws a water bottle at those DHS agents,

2064
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 1: that's enough of a reason, you know for them to

2065
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:36,720
Speaker 1: say there's there's unrest, like and who triggered that, the cops?

2066
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:40,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like it's CPD, Like I have I have

2067
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:45,480
Speaker 4: watched CPD do this shape to people where nothing happened, right,

2068
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:47,680
Speaker 4: Like it was just people standing there and.

2069
01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 15: You know, right, our Attorney General said the same thing

2070
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:54,080
Speaker 15: in a statement last night, like make sure you protest

2071
01:54:54,160 --> 01:54:59,400
Speaker 15: peacefully within the law. The Cook County Board President Tony

2072
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 15: Pukwinkle said the.

2073
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:03,560
Speaker 4: Same big money still around you.

2074
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:07,720
Speaker 15: No, I mean how all the like you know Illinois

2075
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 15: Democratic god big dog people, like they're all, yeah, all

2076
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:13,320
Speaker 15: the machine mother fucking the same thing.

2077
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:15,120
Speaker 1: I mean, like honestly, Mayrev.

2078
01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 15: Johnson kind of was a little more fiery in his rhetoric,

2079
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 15: but he's still only going to go so far.

2080
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:22,960
Speaker 1: You know, like they're politician. Yeah, they can't.

2081
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:25,800
Speaker 15: They're not going to come out and say like, oh,

2082
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:30,280
Speaker 15: that's physically crisis ice. I think we always yeah, but

2083
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:33,280
Speaker 15: it is like it is a very dangerous way to

2084
01:55:34,040 --> 01:55:38,600
Speaker 15: frame resistance, like to say, yeah, well, don't provoke him.

2085
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:40,760
Speaker 15: You know, it's kind of like living with an abuser

2086
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:44,000
Speaker 15: or a bully and then blaming somebody for fighting back.

2087
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think there's also there's really it creates

2088
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:49,440
Speaker 4: really dangerous and hammocks on the ground. I mean, like

2089
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:51,880
Speaker 4: I still remember like one of the things I'm sort

2090
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:55,560
Speaker 4: of haunted by from this Durm twenty twenty was in

2091
01:55:55,880 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 4: Atlanta or someone like the person who burned the Wendy's down. Yeah,

2092
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:02,800
Speaker 4: like a whole there was like a whole thing where

2093
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:05,000
Speaker 4: people were like, this is a federal infiltrator, and they

2094
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 4: turned them over to the FEDS, which doesn't make any sense,

2095
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 4: by the way, Like if your logic is this person

2096
01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 4: is a FED and we turn them over to the Feds, nonsensical,

2097
01:56:12,720 --> 01:56:13,960
Speaker 4: But like this this is the thing you see a

2098
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 4: lot in these kinds of protests, Like people will just

2099
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:17,960
Speaker 4: like hand people over to the Feds. And then it

2100
01:56:18,040 --> 01:56:21,160
Speaker 4: turned out that that she was the girlfriend of a

2101
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:24,960
Speaker 4: fucking guy the police had shot. Yeah, and that shit

2102
01:56:25,160 --> 01:56:28,400
Speaker 4: just like happens. Yeah, And I don't know, like that's

2103
01:56:28,440 --> 01:56:30,120
Speaker 4: like that's like the consequence of this this kind of

2104
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:33,120
Speaker 4: stuff is like these people, the peace of police people

2105
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:36,080
Speaker 4: feel like they are in power to hand people over

2106
01:56:36,240 --> 01:56:39,760
Speaker 4: to the actual police. And I just want to sort

2107
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 4: of like take a second to talk to like directly

2108
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:44,680
Speaker 4: to people who are listening to this who agree with

2109
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:47,760
Speaker 4: this stuff, which is okay if you are facing a

2110
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:51,560
Speaker 4: fascist regime, right, regardless of whether you agree with what

2111
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 4: someone is doing or not, do you think it's a

2112
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:57,480
Speaker 4: good idea to hand them over to the to the

2113
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:02,320
Speaker 4: legal executors of that regime, Like would you hand someone

2114
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 4: over to the SS because they resisted the SS and

2115
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:06,080
Speaker 4: know what you didn't approve of?

2116
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 14: No?

2117
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:08,200
Speaker 4: What are we doing here?

2118
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 5: Right?

2119
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:10,440
Speaker 4: I don't know? And I think this ties back to

2120
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:11,960
Speaker 4: something from what we're talking about the beginning of the

2121
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:14,840
Speaker 4: week of like the extent to which people have become

2122
01:57:14,920 --> 01:57:17,880
Speaker 4: convinced that like the ICE agents are all like proud

2123
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:22,160
Speaker 4: boys or something because they can't imagine the institutions that

2124
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:26,400
Speaker 4: they had supported for so long, right, suddenly being fascist

2125
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:31,520
Speaker 4: And it's like no, actually, like these organizations have always

2126
01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:33,960
Speaker 4: bent this way, and they're they're organs of the state,

2127
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:36,280
Speaker 4: which means they're going to be subverted to enforcing the

2128
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:38,000
Speaker 4: regime of fascism, right.

2129
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:41,160
Speaker 15: And you know, I think I think a lot of

2130
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:44,120
Speaker 15: people who kind of and I'm not talking about the politicians,

2131
01:57:44,200 --> 01:57:46,480
Speaker 15: but like regular people who kind of share in this

2132
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:48,720
Speaker 15: sentiment of like they're scared.

2133
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 1: They don't want to provoke or like make things worse.

2134
01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:54,000
Speaker 15: You know, I think their their hearts are in the

2135
01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:56,120
Speaker 15: right place, Like they're coming from a place of like, well,

2136
01:57:56,160 --> 01:57:57,560
Speaker 15: we just don't want people to get arrested.

2137
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:00,400
Speaker 1: We want people to be safe. Like I think, by

2138
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,040
Speaker 1: and large, that's the motivation.

2139
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:04,760
Speaker 15: But yeah, it's just kind of like a very shallow

2140
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:09,200
Speaker 15: understanding of how resistance actually looks and works.

2141
01:58:09,680 --> 01:58:13,680
Speaker 1: In real life. There's also just like a worry for

2142
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:14,160
Speaker 1: a lot.

2143
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:16,240
Speaker 15: Of people that like, well, that kind of stuff might

2144
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:20,360
Speaker 15: endanger others want to show up with kids or families,

2145
01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 15: and I think there just needs to be like a

2146
01:58:22,160 --> 01:58:23,160
Speaker 15: separation in space.

2147
01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:26,760
Speaker 1: Obviously, not every protest or every resistance is for everyone,

2148
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:30,040
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, like some of these.

2149
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:34,880
Speaker 15: Discussions kind of just fall to the wayside once things

2150
01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:38,600
Speaker 15: get to a certain point, because like, yeah, if border

2151
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:39,960
Speaker 15: patrol rolls through your.

2152
01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:42,960
Speaker 1: Town, you're you're not gonna be able to control how

2153
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:43,920
Speaker 1: everyone responds to that.

2154
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 15: Yeah, like that that's a point at which you can

2155
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:53,360
Speaker 15: see a more spontaneous response. And and so like this

2156
01:58:53,680 --> 01:58:57,760
Speaker 15: sort of like top down movement organizer level like control

2157
01:58:57,880 --> 01:58:59,880
Speaker 15: of like the protests and how it's going to go

2158
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:02,880
Speaker 15: kind of falls apart anyway, because by that point, like

2159
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Speaker 15: no one's in control of any.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a bunch of it's

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Speaker 4: a bunch of people running out of our houses being

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Speaker 4: like fuck, fuck the fucking like the immigration authorities right right,

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Speaker 4: you know, And I don't know. That's the thing that

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Speaker 4: gives me hope in the situation, is that, like I'm

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Speaker 4: going to retreat to the metaphysical level for a second,

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Speaker 4: where like one of the things I don't know almost

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Speaker 4: spiritually that I believe in is cities. That cities are

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Speaker 4: more than sort of some of their parts. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: obviously like they're they're broken down into all of these things,

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Speaker 4: and you know, like like they're like there's something there

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Speaker 4: right in Chicago. Is something that I believe in, and

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Speaker 4: I believe in the people there, and I believe in

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Speaker 4: their capacity to resist this and to drive these people

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Speaker 4: out because they can be driven out. And you know,

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Speaker 4: with with enough organization and enough spontaneity and enough cost

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Speaker 4: and on their logistical operations, they can be ran out

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Speaker 4: of a city. Yeah, I think the power of a city.

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Speaker 4: It's not something that's clear until it's manifested and you

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Speaker 4: never know when it's going to manifest, but when it does.

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Speaker 4: If you look at the entire federal deployment, even if

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Speaker 4: they bringing the National Guard, like we're talking about less

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Speaker 4: than three thousand people, there are millions of people in

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Speaker 4: the city. This is a fucking flea in an ocean,

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Speaker 4: and the flea is relying on the waves, staying calm

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Speaker 4: so it doesn't get drowned. And this is the thing

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Speaker 4: that can happen. These people can be ran out of cities,

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Speaker 4: they can be chased out, their operations can be made impossible,

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Speaker 4: they can be rendered impotent, and they can be made

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Speaker 4: to retreat. And you know, that's just something I'll say,

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Speaker 4: is just like the experience of watching these people break

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Speaker 4: and run, because they will break and run. They can

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Speaker 4: and they will, and you can do it is the

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Speaker 4: most amazing feeling in the entire world, because you know,

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Speaker 4: however powerful they look, they are beatable and they know it.

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Speaker 4: And that's why they operate with this sort of you know,

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Speaker 4: these like fear shock tactics, because they know that if

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Speaker 4: you're not afraid of them, they can be defeated.

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Speaker 1: There have always been more of us than there are

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Speaker 1: of them.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, like that's always been true, and they do rule

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Speaker 15: by fear, and Chicago will fight back. And there's so

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Speaker 15: much knowledge and history here of our urban black and

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Speaker 15: brown communities resisting the police.

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Speaker 1: Even to this day.

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Speaker 15: I see on TikTok every night videos of crowds hassling

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Speaker 15: the cops or pushing.

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Speaker 1: Them out of their hood. I mean, like, this is

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Speaker 1: it's amazing happening right now. There are communities who do

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Speaker 1: this work right now. The schallenge, of course, remains building

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Speaker 1: solidarity across the borders of the neighborhoods.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think this is an insurmountable thing.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 4: I have never been in a place where where people

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Speaker 4: fly the flag of their fucking city that you like,

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Speaker 4: it's not real.

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Speaker 1: We're basically a small nation state at this point. So

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Speaker 1: this is going to get really weird really fast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's like, I don't know, like the US's

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Speaker 4: record of military occupations is not good and we can

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Speaker 4: hand them another l.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, Raven, is there anything else that you want to say?

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Speaker 4: And also where can people find your work?

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Speaker 1: Nothing else to say?

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Speaker 15: Our work is who've mostly even posting on Blue Sky honestly.

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Speaker 1: Which I always like kind of cringe, but we just

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Speaker 1: do a lot of live reporting. It's the only functional

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Speaker 1: way to do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's really good. By the way, this is like,

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Speaker 4: it's it's a kind of coverage that I think is

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Speaker 4: becoming more and more important as things go on, and

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Speaker 4: it's really the only way right now to get good

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Speaker 4: on the ground coverage of people of how these actions

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Speaker 4: are actually unfolding.

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Speaker 5: And it rocks.

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Speaker 4: I've I mean, we've been there together at events at

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Speaker 4: protests before, and like I could, I could, I could

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Speaker 4: personally vouch for the coverage being good, and yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: And it's also like, I mean, we have a lot

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Speaker 4: of people on this show, but like it really matters

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Speaker 4: when the people who are covering a social movement are

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Speaker 4: people who actually are in them and understand how they

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Speaker 4: work and like have been in these places, and so yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's really really important work.

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Speaker 4: And I think people should go support y'all because it's

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Speaker 4: it's great and it's going to be more and more

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Speaker 4: necessary as the occupation unfolds.

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Speaker 15: As the occupation unfolds, what a bleak, what a what

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Speaker 15: a terrible world.

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Speaker 1: But another world is possible. That's the most important.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, remember, Yeah, and the only way to do it

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Speaker 4: is by build it, and you can do that right now.

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Speaker 15: I also do think a lot about how like the

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Speaker 15: first well not the first police uprising, but like kind

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Speaker 15: of the the opening of.

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Speaker 1: This like era of what's going on was the George.

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Speaker 20: Floyd Uprising, which didn't happen in Great Lakes in the Midwest,

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Speaker 20: in the Mideamo West. Yeah, I think there is there's

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Speaker 20: something about this leads in specifically We're generally not like

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Speaker 20: the first to pop off, just because don't have as

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Speaker 20: many people as in New York or Los Angeles.

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Speaker 15: But there's such a rich history of like resistance to

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Speaker 15: the police here. I mean you get Ferguson and Missouri,

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Speaker 15: which is like kind of Midwest, kind of South, but

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Speaker 15: like these communities have such a strong history of noringm

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Speaker 15: what it's like to live as like some downtowns too,

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Speaker 15: and some of them still are with these like majority

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Speaker 15: white police departments.

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Speaker 1: So it's it'll be something to watch how things unfold

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Speaker 1: here specifically.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the uprising in Chicago was like one of

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Speaker 4: the motion times anywhere in the country, Like they ran

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Speaker 4: the cops out of the center of the city, like

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Speaker 4: they they lost control for days of like the giant

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Speaker 4: shopping district in the middle of the city. That is

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Speaker 4: like the thing that like the Chicago business glitzy self

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Speaker 4: image is like based off of they just lost it

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Speaker 4: fully because people ran them out. And you know we

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Speaker 4: did to them once, we could do it again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Well, and I think public opinion against ICE is much

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Speaker 15: worse than like CPD. I mean, like not that public

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02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:39,440
Speaker 15: opinion against CPD is great, but obviously things with ICE

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Speaker 15: are reaching like a fever pitch right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people hate them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know you're not. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: there's ever been an occupying army that people didn't hate.

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Speaker 15: But like, it's just not going to go well for

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Speaker 15: you when the locals hate you, Like, it's just not

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Speaker 15: it's not going.

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Speaker 11: To go well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And I think you know, the history, as said

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Speaker 4: this before, the history of American occupations is littered with defeats.

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Speaker 4: Fucking hand them another one.

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Speaker 3: Oh mom, no inappropriate joke Robert to start this episode. Wow,

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Speaker 3: I feel so clean, you know.

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Speaker 2: I guess you could say I have some executive dysfunction today.

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Speaker 4: This is it could happen here.

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Speaker 3: Executive Disorder, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the

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Speaker 3: White House, the crumbling world what it means for you.

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Speaker 3: I'm Garrison Davis today. I'm joined by Mia Wong, Robert Evans,

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Speaker 3: and possibly Sophie Lichterman, our producer. This episode, we are

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Speaker 3: covering the week of August twenty eighth to September third.

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Speaker 3: Happy Fake Labor Day to everybody, and some breaking news

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Speaker 3: from this past weekend. Trump maybe died.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, let's check out on that.

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Speaker 2: Garrison, as our official, is the president a lie of correspondent?

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Speaker 4: Let me do a click at Google search here. Oh no, no,

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Speaker 4: he's still He's still around.

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Speaker 21: Did everyone get checked again?

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Speaker 4: He's still okay.

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Speaker 22: The conspiracy theories this week were really fun.

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Speaker 23: And then there was that thing that video that went

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Speaker 23: viral of like them like opening a White House window

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Speaker 23: and throwing out a couple black trash bags.

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Speaker 21: That really was really funny.

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Speaker 4: That was really funny.

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Speaker 23: I was like, there's way worse things going on in

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Speaker 23: the world. I don't have time to care about this,

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Speaker 23: But we never got information about that. That was just

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Speaker 23: some weird shit.

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Speaker 4: Not yet, not yet, Sophie sensational.

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Speaker 21: I don't think we know what it was.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it could just be that's them fucking cleaning shit,

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Speaker 2: but I wouldn't be surprised if they were destroying evidence.

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Speaker 23: I wasn't aware those windows could open. I thought they

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Speaker 23: were like bulletproof and and like weren't.

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Speaker 4: Supposed to open.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they both bulletproof, but have to be possible

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Speaker 2: to open so that the Secret Service has more paths

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Speaker 2: of egress in the event that some crazy disaster of

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Speaker 2: a fall the White House. You need to watch the

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Speaker 2: documentary White House Down, Sophie. This spells all of that out.

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Speaker 3: So Trump went a few days without a major public appearance.

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Speaker 21: The man is just trying to take some time off.

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Speaker 3: Though he wasn't seen golfing between Saturday and Monday. But

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Speaker 3: there's nothing on Trump's public schedule for three days during

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Speaker 3: Labor Day weekend, where he essentially took a brief golfing holiday,

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Speaker 3: and this fueled speculation that he was in a rapid

2340
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Speaker 3: health decline, spawning a whole bunch of gnsper theories about

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Speaker 3: him being in the hospital, Vance imminently taking over, and

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Speaker 3: some comments from JD. Vance during a USA Today interview

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Speaker 3: released last Thursday fueled some of this speculation. Over the weekend,

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Speaker 3: Vance said, quote, I feel very confident the President of

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Speaker 3: the United States is in good shape, is going to

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Speaker 3: serve out the remainder of his term and do great

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Speaker 3: things for the American people. And if God forbid there's

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Speaker 3: a terrible tragedy, I can't think of better on the

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Speaker 3: job training than what I've gotten over the last two

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Speaker 3: hundred days unquote.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like he's ready to take the reins right now.

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Speaker 21: Sure, man, Yeah, you're trained up now.

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Speaker 3: Over the weekend, people spread AI altered images of Trump's

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Speaker 3: face looking more swollen and sickly than it actually was,

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Speaker 3: and rumors circulated that roads to Walter Reed Medical Center

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Speaker 3: were closed yeah, when in fact there were no irregular closures,

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Speaker 3: and screenshots of maps supposedly showing these quote unquote closures

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Speaker 3: were actually just showing old security gates because yeah, you

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Speaker 3: can't just like walk or drive up to the front

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Speaker 3: door of Walter Reed Medical Center. Yeah, it's in a

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Speaker 3: military base.

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Speaker 2: This is the ocent of idiots, right, which is people

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Speaker 2: seeing something that is described as being one thing in

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Speaker 2: this like little clip that they get of it in

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Speaker 2: social media, and they don't actually do any further check

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Speaker 2: up It's the same thing with like the pent Gone

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Speaker 2: pizza totally orders that people are like, oh when when

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Speaker 2: pizza orders peeked the Pentagon where about the US is

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Speaker 2: about to go to war, and it's like no, sometimes

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Speaker 2: people just order pizza near the Pentagon because the Pentagon

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Speaker 2: is surrounded by a city, right, there's like there's people.

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Speaker 3: The Pentagon pizza tracker was part of these weekend conspiracy

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Speaker 3: theories that yes, you were like trying to decide how

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02:10:19,680 --> 02:10:21,400
Speaker 3: to handle Trump's declining health, and.

2375
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:24,520
Speaker 2: Yes, people just like pizza guys, Like it's one of

2376
02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:27,120
Speaker 2: those things. I'm certainly not saying there's no way you

2377
02:10:27,200 --> 02:10:29,400
Speaker 2: will wake up tomorrow to hear that Trump has died,

2378
02:10:29,440 --> 02:10:32,120
Speaker 2: because you know what, He's seventy nine. It wouldn't be

2379
02:10:32,240 --> 02:10:34,240
Speaker 2: weird if his health took a sudden turn in the

2380
02:10:34,360 --> 02:10:37,960
Speaker 2: next day. Just statistically, it wouldn't be weird because he's

2381
02:10:38,040 --> 02:10:41,240
Speaker 2: seventy nine. But like the people pointing outs the simile

2382
02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:42,760
Speaker 2: they were doing with Biden pointing out like oh, like

2383
02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:44,840
Speaker 2: the marks on his hand, and it's like, yeah, that

2384
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:46,880
Speaker 2: isn't it for both of them. This is evidence that

2385
02:10:46,960 --> 02:10:49,320
Speaker 2: they are older than you should be to be president.

2386
02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:52,120
Speaker 2: But like my grandpa had shit like that, Because my

2387
02:10:52,160 --> 02:10:53,880
Speaker 2: grandpa lived with us for the last like ten years

2388
02:10:53,880 --> 02:10:55,760
Speaker 2: of his life. His hands looked a lot like that

2389
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:58,680
Speaker 2: for like a decade. Like, so people live for a

2390
02:10:58,760 --> 02:11:01,360
Speaker 2: long time. After it becomes clear they're very sick and old.

2391
02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:04,440
Speaker 2: It's not a sign that they're about.

2392
02:11:04,160 --> 02:11:05,360
Speaker 21: To kick off this weekend.

2393
02:11:05,640 --> 02:11:07,400
Speaker 3: That guy in Congress who looks like a turtle has

2394
02:11:07,400 --> 02:11:09,520
Speaker 3: had weird bruises on his body for as long as

2395
02:11:09,600 --> 02:11:14,120
Speaker 3: I can remember, Toddel, Yeah, but no, like accounts were

2396
02:11:14,160 --> 02:11:19,000
Speaker 3: basically theorizing that like Putin poisoned Trump during their last meeting,

2397
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:21,000
Speaker 3: and this is why he's in a rapid health decline.

2398
02:11:21,120 --> 02:11:22,080
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Why.

2399
02:11:22,040 --> 02:11:24,040
Speaker 21: Why would he need to do that? Why would that

2400
02:11:24,160 --> 02:11:24,800
Speaker 21: benefit him?

2401
02:11:25,320 --> 02:11:26,080
Speaker 4: So baffling.

2402
02:11:26,440 --> 02:11:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, when people noticed looking at the White House schedule,

2403
02:11:30,240 --> 02:11:33,520
Speaker 3: which they'd realized just existed a few days ago. But

2404
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:36,480
Speaker 3: when looking on the schedule, they saw that quote unquote,

2405
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:40,480
Speaker 3: the President was to give an announcement on Tuesday afternoon.

2406
02:11:41,440 --> 02:11:43,480
Speaker 3: Because of this, rumor spread that it would be Trump

2407
02:11:43,680 --> 02:11:47,480
Speaker 3: resigning for health reasons, or Vance would come out and

2408
02:11:47,560 --> 02:11:50,720
Speaker 3: announce Trump died and he was the president now, like

2409
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:52,320
Speaker 3: some like really bad.

2410
02:11:52,440 --> 02:11:54,000
Speaker 4: Aaron Sorkin movie.

2411
02:11:54,320 --> 02:11:55,120
Speaker 21: That's how it works.

2412
02:11:55,440 --> 02:11:57,240
Speaker 4: Also, I just I just want to also put this

2413
02:11:57,320 --> 02:12:00,960
Speaker 4: out there. Yeah, that White House leaks like a fucking sieve.

2414
02:12:01,080 --> 02:12:05,200
Speaker 4: There is no way you could cover up the president

2415
02:12:05,600 --> 02:12:10,520
Speaker 4: dying without it being out immediately, Like come on, no.

2416
02:12:11,080 --> 02:12:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, like you, they couldn't keep it hidden when

2417
02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:16,120
Speaker 2: he got sick. You think they're gonna keep the fact

2418
02:12:16,160 --> 02:12:18,720
Speaker 2: that they're gonna weaken it Bernie's head ridiculous.

2419
02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:19,560
Speaker 15: Yeah.

2420
02:12:20,520 --> 02:12:24,120
Speaker 3: When this press conference got delayed an hour on Tuesday,

2421
02:12:24,680 --> 02:12:28,160
Speaker 3: this too was used as the evidence of Trump's declining health.

2422
02:12:29,120 --> 02:12:33,080
Speaker 3: But sure enough, right before three pm, Trump came out

2423
02:12:33,120 --> 02:12:35,120
Speaker 3: with a huge gaggle of people, which is probably why

2424
02:12:35,160 --> 02:12:37,480
Speaker 3: it was delayed, because he had like twenty guys with

2425
02:12:37,600 --> 02:12:40,440
Speaker 3: him who, like multiple people spoke to announce that they

2426
02:12:40,440 --> 02:12:44,600
Speaker 3: were moving Space Command. And Trump seemed normal. He seemed

2427
02:12:44,680 --> 02:12:47,960
Speaker 3: like normal Trump, like he is an old guy. But no,

2428
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:49,480
Speaker 3: this was just normal Trump.

2429
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2430
02:12:50,680 --> 02:12:52,800
Speaker 21: Does he seem older than he did in twenty sixteen?

2431
02:12:52,920 --> 02:12:56,760
Speaker 4: For sure, Man, it's like more wrinkled, but like, no, he's.

2432
02:12:56,640 --> 02:13:00,000
Speaker 23: Older exactly like he did before these conspiracy theories starts.

2433
02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he looks old, Like he looks older

2434
02:13:02,640 --> 02:13:05,240
Speaker 2: than he did ten years ago. Yeah, I'm just saying, oh.

2435
02:13:05,200 --> 02:13:07,240
Speaker 4: She's so much less coherent than then. But like, yeah,

2436
02:13:07,240 --> 02:13:08,880
Speaker 4: he's not like, yeah, dying.

2437
02:13:10,040 --> 02:13:12,680
Speaker 2: I don't have any particular reason to expect he's about

2438
02:13:12,720 --> 02:13:15,760
Speaker 2: to drop dead, like as opposed to like three months

2439
02:13:15,800 --> 02:13:18,920
Speaker 2: ago or six months ago, you know, yeah, Like does

2440
02:13:18,960 --> 02:13:21,480
Speaker 2: it appear as if time is continuing to march on

2441
02:13:21,600 --> 02:13:22,040
Speaker 2: his face?

2442
02:13:22,200 --> 02:13:26,560
Speaker 3: Yes, of course, you know exactly. During said press conference,

2443
02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:31,800
Speaker 3: Trump himself was asked about his alleged imminent demise and responded,

2444
02:13:32,200 --> 02:13:32,680
Speaker 3: like this a.

2445
02:13:32,680 --> 02:13:36,160
Speaker 4: Really different but about a big viral social media trend

2446
02:13:36,200 --> 02:13:36,839
Speaker 4: over the weekend.

2447
02:13:37,560 --> 02:13:40,040
Speaker 5: How did you find out over the weekend that you

2448
02:13:40,120 --> 02:13:40,520
Speaker 5: were dead?

2449
02:13:42,160 --> 02:13:43,919
Speaker 4: You see that people.

2450
02:13:43,720 --> 02:13:44,840
Speaker 5: Didn't see it for a couple of days.

2451
02:13:44,920 --> 02:13:48,000
Speaker 2: One point three million user engagements as of Saturday morning

2452
02:13:48,040 --> 02:13:49,200
Speaker 2: about your demise?

2453
02:13:50,200 --> 02:13:54,080
Speaker 10: Really, you know, I have heard it's sort of crazy.

2454
02:13:54,160 --> 02:13:57,880
Speaker 10: But last week I did numerous news conferences, all successful,

2455
02:13:58,040 --> 02:13:59,960
Speaker 10: they went very well, like this is going very well,

2456
02:14:00,960 --> 02:14:03,440
Speaker 10: and then I didn't do any for two days, and

2457
02:14:03,520 --> 02:14:06,760
Speaker 10: they said there must be something wrong with him. Biden

2458
02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:09,440
Speaker 10: wouldn't do him for months, you wouldn't see him, and

2459
02:14:09,560 --> 02:14:12,000
Speaker 10: nobody ever said there was ever anything wrong with him.

2460
02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:13,360
Speaker 15: And we know he wasn't in the.

2461
02:14:13,400 --> 02:14:14,240
Speaker 5: Greatest of shape.

2462
02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:17,840
Speaker 4: No, I heard that. I get reports, now you knew.

2463
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:20,200
Speaker 10: I did an interview that lasted for about an hour

2464
02:14:20,240 --> 02:14:22,680
Speaker 10: and a half with somebody and everybody. So that was

2465
02:14:22,760 --> 02:14:24,640
Speaker 10: on one of your competitors.

2466
02:14:25,200 --> 02:14:28,720
Speaker 4: That's a remarkably coherent Trump by Trump's standards.

2467
02:14:29,880 --> 02:14:32,240
Speaker 3: Like no, and he's talking about how he was sending

2468
02:14:32,280 --> 02:14:34,720
Speaker 3: out very pointiant truths.

2469
02:14:34,440 --> 02:14:37,840
Speaker 4: Over the weekend on truth So okay, that's for current.

2470
02:14:39,080 --> 02:14:39,280
Speaker 17: Yeah.

2471
02:14:41,720 --> 02:14:44,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just took a nice little golfing golfing holiday

2472
02:14:44,840 --> 02:14:47,080
Speaker 3: and like it is, Drue. He is the oldest elected

2473
02:14:47,080 --> 02:14:50,839
Speaker 3: president and the White House recently announced he was diagnosed

2474
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:53,840
Speaker 3: with chronic venus and sufficiency a few months ago to

2475
02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:57,120
Speaker 3: explain his ankle swelling and the bruises on his right

2476
02:14:57,200 --> 02:14:59,400
Speaker 3: hand have become more noticeable, which the White House is

2477
02:14:59,440 --> 02:15:03,200
Speaker 3: attributed to frequent handshaking and the use of aspirin.

2478
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:06,040
Speaker 4: That is really funny.

2479
02:15:06,360 --> 02:15:08,520
Speaker 21: Yeah, he shook too many hands.

2480
02:15:09,040 --> 02:15:10,760
Speaker 4: He just can't stop shaking hands.

2481
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:12,680
Speaker 1: That's actually hilarious.

2482
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:15,560
Speaker 3: But the aspirin thing is is real and people of

2483
02:15:15,600 --> 02:15:18,960
Speaker 3: his age, frequent aspirin use can lead to hand bruising. Yeah,

2484
02:15:19,720 --> 02:15:22,040
Speaker 3: but I just finished up my blue and on research,

2485
02:15:22,080 --> 02:15:24,120
Speaker 3: and then this whole weekend as I was like literally

2486
02:15:24,200 --> 02:15:27,800
Speaker 3: finishing those episodes, this this whole, this whole giant wave

2487
02:15:27,920 --> 02:15:31,000
Speaker 3: of these like Trump health conspiracies just just completely took over,

2488
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:33,080
Speaker 3: and I felt like I was like losing it. Like

2489
02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:35,880
Speaker 3: everyone around me, everyone around me was indulging this, and

2490
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:38,680
Speaker 3: like usually from this place of like half.

2491
02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:39,920
Speaker 4: Joking but not really joking.

2492
02:15:40,120 --> 02:15:43,200
Speaker 3: Like when yeah, when that line gets blurry between are

2493
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:45,880
Speaker 3: you indulging in this like ironically because it's fun, or

2494
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:48,720
Speaker 3: does it is it actually kind of altering your brain?

2495
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:52,320
Speaker 4: Like is it actually slowly making you convinced of this stuff?

2496
02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:54,800
Speaker 2: In like a small way, this gets to what is

2497
02:15:54,840 --> 02:15:57,760
Speaker 2: at the root of all conspiracy culture, regardless of like

2498
02:15:57,880 --> 02:16:01,720
Speaker 2: the political ideology, which is the need, the emotional need

2499
02:16:02,320 --> 02:16:06,680
Speaker 2: to believe that you are the possessor of secret knowledge. Yeah, right,

2500
02:16:07,080 --> 02:16:09,120
Speaker 2: like that that is so much a part of this

2501
02:16:09,320 --> 02:16:11,800
Speaker 2: that like no, no, no, I am privy to secrets

2502
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:14,680
Speaker 2: about the world that the average person is not, and

2503
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:17,400
Speaker 2: the degree to which that's like comforting and also emotionally

2504
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:19,920
Speaker 2: necessary for quite a few people. And that's part of

2505
02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:22,720
Speaker 2: the problem with humoring this is that the instant you

2506
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:25,880
Speaker 2: let it into your life, it starts taking more and

2507
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:28,600
Speaker 2: more power because it becomes part of your ego, It

2508
02:16:28,680 --> 02:16:32,480
Speaker 2: becomes part of your coping mechanisms. It becomes like yeah, something,

2509
02:16:32,600 --> 02:16:34,320
Speaker 2: but you become dependent upon it.

2510
02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:37,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it's also word noting. Like, you know,

2511
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:41,480
Speaker 4: people are confused all the time about how does the

2512
02:16:41,560 --> 02:16:43,600
Speaker 4: right come to believe all of these things? How does

2513
02:16:43,640 --> 02:16:46,840
Speaker 4: the right sort of you know, like, how how does

2514
02:16:46,879 --> 02:16:50,879
Speaker 4: like vaccine conspiracism spread? How does like QAnon spread? It's

2515
02:16:50,879 --> 02:16:53,960
Speaker 4: like it spreads like this, Uh right, this is what

2516
02:16:54,120 --> 02:16:56,880
Speaker 4: it looks like. And you're also not immune to it

2517
02:16:57,040 --> 02:17:00,440
Speaker 4: just because your politics are better. It's still really really

2518
02:17:00,480 --> 02:17:03,720
Speaker 4: easy to fall down those pathways because they're addictive and fun,

2519
02:17:04,720 --> 02:17:08,879
Speaker 4: and that's spreading so much unhinged shit.

2520
02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:09,520
Speaker 21: Yeah.

2521
02:17:10,040 --> 02:17:12,320
Speaker 2: The root of a lot of madness comes with thinking

2522
02:17:12,400 --> 02:17:16,080
Speaker 2: that you're better than other people and you're not.

2523
02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:19,560
Speaker 3: Cognitively, I can play around with this stuff without it

2524
02:17:19,640 --> 02:17:22,480
Speaker 3: affecting me the way to fix other people mm hmm.

2525
02:17:22,720 --> 02:17:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, or just because this is because the politics of

2526
02:17:26,480 --> 02:17:30,560
Speaker 2: this counter factual belief system are better than their counterfactual

2527
02:17:30,600 --> 02:17:33,680
Speaker 2: belief system. This is not a counterfactual belief system totally.

2528
02:17:33,760 --> 02:17:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like when we see this with the way

2529
02:17:36,680 --> 02:17:39,240
Speaker 3: some people talk about like Russia, and like, I've faced

2530
02:17:39,400 --> 02:17:41,720
Speaker 3: a little teeny bit of pushback on some of the

2531
02:17:41,800 --> 02:17:43,800
Speaker 3: ways that I was framing like Russia Gate in the

2532
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:46,840
Speaker 3: Blue and on episodes, and like, there is a difference

2533
02:17:47,000 --> 02:17:51,560
Speaker 3: between a social media disinformation campaign to influence elections, which

2534
02:17:51,879 --> 02:17:52,720
Speaker 3: Russia does, Like we.

2535
02:17:52,959 --> 02:17:55,640
Speaker 2: Know this absolutely, that's not in question whatsoever.

2536
02:17:55,840 --> 02:17:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a difference between that and like straightforwardly stealing, yeah,

2537
02:17:59,440 --> 02:18:02,359
Speaker 3: an election in such a manner that the election results

2538
02:18:02,440 --> 02:18:04,600
Speaker 3: are themselves illegitimate, right.

2539
02:18:04,879 --> 02:18:08,080
Speaker 2: And this is the big question always if you're saying, like, no,

2540
02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:11,160
Speaker 2: they literally did steal this election in the twenty sixteen

2541
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:13,120
Speaker 2: election the like, but they just like fucked up for

2542
02:18:13,200 --> 02:18:15,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. They just like couldn't get their shit together

2543
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:17,440
Speaker 2: and time for that one, Like what or is it

2544
02:18:17,560 --> 02:18:21,240
Speaker 2: that they have influence campaigns like everyone else and they're influence,

2545
02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:23,320
Speaker 2: Like that doesn't mean saying that they're not problems, but

2546
02:18:23,400 --> 02:18:26,279
Speaker 2: it doesn't it doesn't mean pretending that's the only.

2547
02:18:26,200 --> 02:18:27,960
Speaker 21: Reason shit broke their way, you know.

2548
02:18:28,400 --> 02:18:31,200
Speaker 2: In part A big reason why things worked the way

2549
02:18:31,240 --> 02:18:32,840
Speaker 2: that they have and have worked the way that they

2550
02:18:32,920 --> 02:18:36,800
Speaker 2: have is that the disinfo campaigns that Russia, that the

2551
02:18:36,879 --> 02:18:40,680
Speaker 2: Russian government was engaged and were complementary to campaigns of

2552
02:18:40,720 --> 02:18:43,080
Speaker 2: disinformation that have existed for decades in the US.

2553
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:45,840
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, look at the way they were funding right

2554
02:18:45,879 --> 02:18:47,680
Speaker 3: wing content creators through Tenet Media.

2555
02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:48,000
Speaker 4: Right.

2556
02:18:48,920 --> 02:18:51,480
Speaker 3: And like, you know, same thing with Trump, Like publicly

2557
02:18:51,600 --> 02:18:54,080
Speaker 3: encouraging Russia is not the same thing as actual collusion.

2558
02:18:54,520 --> 02:18:56,879
Speaker 3: And there is no clear indication that the twenty sixteen

2559
02:18:57,240 --> 02:19:00,320
Speaker 3: Russian influenced operations or even like their acts sing of

2560
02:19:00,520 --> 02:19:04,560
Speaker 3: voter registration actually made a meaningful impact on the results

2561
02:19:04,640 --> 02:19:06,760
Speaker 3: of the election. And this is the same thing with

2562
02:19:07,080 --> 02:19:10,879
Speaker 3: you know, like the rights legal methods of voter disenfranchisement,

2563
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:14,280
Speaker 3: voter suppression or changing mail in voting rules. Right, there's

2564
02:19:14,320 --> 02:19:18,080
Speaker 3: that versus talking about like hacking voting machines. Right, the

2565
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:22,200
Speaker 3: former doesn't mean that the election was quote unquote stolen.

2566
02:19:22,440 --> 02:19:25,320
Speaker 3: Now just because they do voter suppression, right, the results

2567
02:19:25,400 --> 02:19:28,800
Speaker 3: still need to be accepted. Like, that's not illegal election interference.

2568
02:19:28,959 --> 02:19:31,440
Speaker 3: It's not good, we should we should oppose it. Yeah,

2569
02:19:31,440 --> 02:19:33,680
Speaker 3: but it's not a legal election interference. And like this

2570
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:36,920
Speaker 3: is kind of just like a coping method that passes

2571
02:19:36,959 --> 02:19:40,600
Speaker 3: the buck to avoid accepting that Republicans were better at

2572
02:19:40,680 --> 02:19:44,080
Speaker 3: winning these elections, and it may be emotionally easier to

2573
02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:46,960
Speaker 3: like blame Russia than to actually like reflect on ourselves.

2574
02:19:47,440 --> 02:19:49,760
Speaker 3: And I've seen the same thing when people talking about

2575
02:19:49,800 --> 02:19:53,200
Speaker 3: how for the twenty twenty four election on election day

2576
02:19:53,240 --> 02:19:56,240
Speaker 3: there were bomb threats to swing state polling places that

2577
02:19:56,360 --> 02:19:58,760
Speaker 3: were traced back to Russia, and like, while this is

2578
02:19:58,920 --> 02:20:02,959
Speaker 3: nominally true, this did not influence the result of that election.

2579
02:20:03,360 --> 02:20:05,320
Speaker 3: And then this can very quickly devolve into like just

2580
02:20:05,360 --> 02:20:08,520
Speaker 3: like basically like just asking questions right, like you can't

2581
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:11,760
Speaker 3: prove a negative, and this just turns into like a

2582
02:20:11,879 --> 02:20:15,080
Speaker 3: very cartoon version of understanding reality, like with like people

2583
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:19,240
Speaker 3: in ski masks fixing elections or changing votes, or like

2584
02:20:19,320 --> 02:20:23,560
Speaker 3: hackers compromising election like voting machines, instead of just accepting

2585
02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:25,200
Speaker 3: that a lot of people voted for Trump and he

2586
02:20:25,320 --> 02:20:26,200
Speaker 3: won well.

2587
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:28,120
Speaker 2: And it's the part of the other problem is that

2588
02:20:28,600 --> 02:20:32,520
Speaker 2: I think when you lose yourself in patterns of thinking

2589
02:20:32,680 --> 02:20:36,880
Speaker 2: like this, it also leads to a failure to accurately

2590
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:41,000
Speaker 2: gauge the strengths and the capacities of the enemy, Like

2591
02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:44,960
Speaker 2: if you're unwilling to see where they've made smart decisions

2592
02:20:45,400 --> 02:20:48,119
Speaker 2: and where they've made good investments that have paid off

2593
02:20:48,160 --> 02:20:52,240
Speaker 2: for them. Then you are unable to follow and properly

2594
02:20:52,360 --> 02:20:54,560
Speaker 2: counter those kinds of things. And I think part of

2595
02:20:54,600 --> 02:20:56,920
Speaker 2: why this is so difficult is that so many people,

2596
02:20:57,280 --> 02:20:59,160
Speaker 2: so many liberals and people on the left.

2597
02:20:59,240 --> 02:20:59,640
Speaker 21: I don't think.

2598
02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:01,840
Speaker 2: I think think both sides have differences in how they

2599
02:21:01,959 --> 02:21:03,840
Speaker 2: do it, but I don't think there's a massive difference

2600
02:21:03,879 --> 02:21:05,920
Speaker 2: in the degree to which either side does it. But

2601
02:21:06,400 --> 02:21:08,840
Speaker 2: you find on both ends of the political spectrum this

2602
02:21:09,280 --> 02:21:12,440
Speaker 2: emotional need to be like, these people are idiots, And

2603
02:21:13,000 --> 02:21:15,000
Speaker 2: the corelating factor with that is that like, and I'm

2604
02:21:15,080 --> 02:21:18,120
Speaker 2: not right, Like I'm smarter because I'm not one of

2605
02:21:18,200 --> 02:21:20,400
Speaker 2: these people, because I'm not one of these like fools

2606
02:21:20,400 --> 02:21:24,520
Speaker 2: who buys into this right wing propaganda. And you're if

2607
02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:26,600
Speaker 2: you're more obsessed with that than you are with seeing

2608
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:30,160
Speaker 2: where your enemy has made smart decisions, then you're going

2609
02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:33,080
Speaker 2: to continue getting dunked on by them endlessly. You get blindside.

2610
02:21:33,160 --> 02:21:35,120
Speaker 2: And that's that's where we are right now. People are

2611
02:21:35,160 --> 02:21:38,440
Speaker 2: getting dunked on repeatedly because they refuse to see the

2612
02:21:38,560 --> 02:21:42,160
Speaker 2: things that Trump does that are based in actual intelligence,

2613
02:21:42,320 --> 02:21:44,000
Speaker 2: and the things that the far right has done, the

2614
02:21:44,040 --> 02:21:46,440
Speaker 2: things the Republican Party is of the architects of this

2615
02:21:46,600 --> 02:21:49,560
Speaker 2: movement have done that have been successful. You know who

2616
02:21:49,640 --> 02:21:54,200
Speaker 2: else is successful? Genius the products that support this podcast. Yeah,

2617
02:21:54,240 --> 02:22:07,600
Speaker 2: that's right, and we are bad.

2618
02:22:09,400 --> 02:22:12,320
Speaker 3: So. On Tuesday, the mayor of DC ordered that the

2619
02:22:12,440 --> 02:22:17,440
Speaker 3: city will continue cooperating with federal law enforcement past the

2620
02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:22,480
Speaker 3: expiration date of Trump's Crime Emergency Declaration, which is set

2621
02:22:22,520 --> 02:22:27,480
Speaker 3: for September tenth. She has established the quote Safe and

2622
02:22:27,800 --> 02:22:34,160
Speaker 3: Beautiful Emergency Operations Center. She's for DC to indefinitely coordinate

2623
02:22:34,200 --> 02:22:38,240
Speaker 3: with Trump's Safe and Beautiful Task Force. This is like

2624
02:22:38,320 --> 02:22:42,000
Speaker 3: a caving and like an acquiescence to prevent some kind

2625
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:45,720
Speaker 3: of larger legal fight over Trump's ability to exert power

2626
02:22:45,840 --> 02:22:48,480
Speaker 3: over DC. It's giving him a little bit of what

2627
02:22:48,680 --> 02:22:53,600
Speaker 3: he wants while trying to maintain a degree of sovereignty,

2628
02:22:53,959 --> 02:22:55,720
Speaker 3: but in doing so you kind of just play into

2629
02:22:56,240 --> 02:22:57,360
Speaker 3: what he actually wants.

2630
02:22:57,400 --> 02:22:57,879
Speaker 15: In the end.

2631
02:22:58,840 --> 02:23:03,400
Speaker 3: This Operations Center will work on quote centralized communications, formulate

2632
02:23:03,480 --> 02:23:06,960
Speaker 3: post emergency planning and operations, and ensure coordination with federal

2633
02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:10,160
Speaker 3: law enforcement to the maximum extent allowable by law within

2634
02:23:10,280 --> 02:23:16,080
Speaker 3: the district. Later in her order, she quote unquote requests

2635
02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:22,680
Speaker 3: that federal partners adhere to effective community policing practices to

2636
02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:26,160
Speaker 3: maintain community confidence in law enforcements, such as by not

2637
02:23:26,280 --> 02:23:30,040
Speaker 3: wearing masks, clearly identifying their agency, and providing identification during

2638
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:32,080
Speaker 3: arrests and encounters with the public.

2639
02:23:33,240 --> 02:23:33,520
Speaker 4: Quote.

2640
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:36,360
Speaker 3: The Safe and Beautiful Emergency Operations Center will continue to

2641
02:23:36,400 --> 02:23:40,800
Speaker 3: prioritize DC National Guard for typical mission focused activities unquote.

2642
02:23:41,120 --> 02:23:46,000
Speaker 3: So they are requesting that federal partners not wear masks.

2643
02:23:46,040 --> 02:23:48,920
Speaker 3: And that's kind of the strongest amount of pushback the

2644
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:53,320
Speaker 3: mayor is allowing in regards to Trump's federal control of

2645
02:23:53,520 --> 02:23:55,160
Speaker 3: over law enforcement in DC.

2646
02:23:55,600 --> 02:23:57,040
Speaker 21: Great, that'll solve it.

2647
02:23:57,440 --> 02:24:01,400
Speaker 4: In a wild band. I said that like, one of

2648
02:24:01,480 --> 02:24:04,800
Speaker 4: the most important sources of support that the Trump administration

2649
02:24:04,959 --> 02:24:07,600
Speaker 4: has is a bunch of the democratic mayors and governors,

2650
02:24:07,800 --> 02:24:10,560
Speaker 4: and oh boy, is this one of them.

2651
02:24:10,920 --> 02:24:11,120
Speaker 11: Yeah.

2652
02:24:11,879 --> 02:24:16,280
Speaker 4: Uh. However, it's worth noting that this has not been

2653
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:20,840
Speaker 4: the response of all of the democratic governors. And I

2654
02:24:21,000 --> 02:24:24,480
Speaker 4: think we're going to turn here towards the impending occupation

2655
02:24:24,560 --> 02:24:30,000
Speaker 4: of Chicago. So Trump has said that he is going

2656
02:24:30,120 --> 02:24:33,480
Speaker 4: to deploy the National Guard to Chicago, ostensibly also because

2657
02:24:33,520 --> 02:24:38,160
Speaker 4: of crime. As of two thirty two Pacific time on Wednesday,

2658
02:24:38,240 --> 02:24:41,640
Speaker 4: the third, we don't have a timeline for the National

2659
02:24:41,680 --> 02:24:44,879
Speaker 4: Guard deployment that could change. The situation is evolving rapidly.

2660
02:24:45,520 --> 02:24:47,680
Speaker 4: We will get you more on a second. We also

2661
02:24:47,720 --> 02:24:51,000
Speaker 4: have conflicting reports where Illinois Governor J. B. Pritzker has

2662
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:56,040
Speaker 4: said that the Texas National Guard is being staged to

2663
02:24:56,520 --> 02:24:58,920
Speaker 4: sort of participate in the sort of occupation of Chicago.

2664
02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:03,920
Speaker 4: It has denied this. We sort of don't know what

2665
02:25:04,120 --> 02:25:07,120
Speaker 4: exactly is going on with that, but it is worth

2666
02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:10,560
Speaker 4: noting that both Governor Pritzker and Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson

2667
02:25:10,640 --> 02:25:12,680
Speaker 4: have been very very clear that they do not want

2668
02:25:12,720 --> 02:25:16,280
Speaker 4: a federal deployment in Chicago. They have said go home.

2669
02:25:17,520 --> 02:25:21,240
Speaker 4: There isn't really because this is a federal deployment, There

2670
02:25:21,320 --> 02:25:25,600
Speaker 4: isn't really much they can do about it outside of

2671
02:25:26,400 --> 02:25:29,039
Speaker 4: legal stuff. And the Trump administration has been a lot

2672
02:25:29,120 --> 02:25:31,880
Speaker 4: more careful about this, and they were in la in

2673
02:25:31,959 --> 02:25:35,279
Speaker 4: terms of how they're doing the deployments legally. So we'll

2674
02:25:35,320 --> 02:25:41,520
Speaker 4: see what happens with the National Guard deployments. However, and

2675
02:25:41,680 --> 02:25:43,640
Speaker 4: this is something that I think is getting very very

2676
02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:46,320
Speaker 4: little coverage, which is that the actual threat model on

2677
02:25:46,440 --> 02:25:50,400
Speaker 4: the ground in Chicago and the day this is going up.

2678
02:25:50,480 --> 02:25:53,160
Speaker 4: We will have run in an interview the day before

2679
02:25:53,320 --> 02:25:56,199
Speaker 4: with Raven who's a journalist from the Chicago based outlet

2680
02:25:56,280 --> 02:26:01,520
Speaker 4: Unraveled about what the respect bonds in Chicago has been

2681
02:26:01,640 --> 02:26:03,440
Speaker 4: to all of this, and how people are repairing in

2682
02:26:03,480 --> 02:26:06,080
Speaker 4: what the threat model is. The actual thing people are

2683
02:26:06,120 --> 02:26:09,000
Speaker 4: worried about in Chicago is not the National Guard so much.

2684
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:12,800
Speaker 4: It is the deployment of federal agents from Homeland Security,

2685
02:26:12,920 --> 02:26:16,480
Speaker 4: including ICE in the border patrol. Very very specifically. Their

2686
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:19,280
Speaker 4: is significant concern about border patrol because while there has

2687
02:26:19,360 --> 02:26:22,000
Speaker 4: been ICE operation in the city and it's obviously very bad,

2688
02:26:22,120 --> 02:26:24,640
Speaker 4: as we sort of talk about, there really hasn't been

2689
02:26:24,840 --> 02:26:28,840
Speaker 4: any significant border patrol deployments and that seems like it's

2690
02:26:29,160 --> 02:26:32,160
Speaker 4: about to start as an indication of how fast the

2691
02:26:32,240 --> 02:26:36,879
Speaker 4: situation is moving. So that interview was recorded Wednesday morning,

2692
02:26:37,360 --> 02:26:40,440
Speaker 4: September third, Yeah, September third. In the time between that

2693
02:26:40,560 --> 02:26:43,600
Speaker 4: recording and now, which was maybe three hours, we got

2694
02:26:43,680 --> 02:26:47,920
Speaker 4: more information about the federal deployment. So the Sun Times

2695
02:26:48,760 --> 02:26:54,400
Speaker 4: is reporting, based on reports from government officials, that two

2696
02:26:54,600 --> 02:26:59,680
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty agents, including border patrol, are being sent

2697
02:27:00,040 --> 02:27:04,240
Speaker 4: from LA to Chicago. Thirty agents are already here. They've

2698
02:27:04,280 --> 02:27:08,080
Speaker 4: been doing training in anti riot stuff with flash bangs.

2699
02:27:08,840 --> 02:27:12,640
Speaker 4: They've also apparently moved one hundred and forty unmarked vans

2700
02:27:13,480 --> 02:27:17,680
Speaker 4: to this naval base not really in Chicago. We'll get

2701
02:27:17,680 --> 02:27:19,760
Speaker 4: to that in a second, but they've moved one hundred

2702
02:27:19,760 --> 02:27:21,920
Speaker 4: and forty un marked vans to do these kind of raids.

2703
02:27:22,040 --> 02:27:24,520
Speaker 4: This very much suggests that they're going to do the

2704
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:28,280
Speaker 4: kind of smashing grab raids we've been seeing in LA.

2705
02:27:29,160 --> 02:27:31,680
Speaker 4: That's the thing people are very worried about. And we've

2706
02:27:31,760 --> 02:27:34,440
Speaker 4: seen you know, tiktoks from the senior leadership with the

2707
02:27:34,440 --> 02:27:36,760
Speaker 4: Border Patrol talking about how their talks.

2708
02:27:36,959 --> 02:27:38,360
Speaker 21: I know it's it's bleak.

2709
02:27:39,080 --> 02:27:41,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, literally, it's like it's it's tick talks of

2710
02:27:42,320 --> 02:27:46,199
Speaker 4: him going like we're trading our palm trees for skyscrapers. Jeez,

2711
02:27:46,959 --> 02:27:49,480
Speaker 4: it's really bad. It seems like they're going to be

2712
02:27:49,480 --> 02:27:51,600
Speaker 4: deploying the kind of smashing grab raids they did in LA.

2713
02:27:52,320 --> 02:27:54,480
Speaker 4: But comment there's one final thing I want to get to.

2714
02:27:55,320 --> 02:27:59,240
Speaker 4: This naval base is not really in Chicago. It is

2715
02:27:59,640 --> 02:28:02,200
Speaker 4: really far north of Evanstone, which is like a thing

2716
02:28:02,280 --> 02:28:05,400
Speaker 4: that's like not Chicago's like this naval base that they're

2717
02:28:05,440 --> 02:28:10,000
Speaker 4: deploying from is closer to Kenosha than it is like Noosha, Wisconsin,

2718
02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:13,920
Speaker 4: than it is to like even the north side of Chicago.

2719
02:28:14,040 --> 02:28:18,160
Speaker 4: It's like really really far north again, like even getting

2720
02:28:18,280 --> 02:28:21,280
Speaker 4: to I mean neighborhoods that are pretty far north, it's

2721
02:28:21,320 --> 02:28:23,959
Speaker 4: like an hour out right. It is mult a multiple

2722
02:28:24,080 --> 02:28:27,600
Speaker 4: hour drive into the center of the city, so it's

2723
02:28:27,640 --> 02:28:30,199
Speaker 4: going to be kind of difficult for them to deploy

2724
02:28:30,959 --> 02:28:32,280
Speaker 4: in the middle of the city. This is something I

2725
02:28:32,320 --> 02:28:34,920
Speaker 4: talked about with Raven. It looks like they're trying to

2726
02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:38,879
Speaker 4: hit the more outlining areas more with raids because those

2727
02:28:38,959 --> 02:28:41,800
Speaker 4: areas are less well defended and there's not as much

2728
02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:45,280
Speaker 4: sort of rapid reaction stuff there. That's sort of what

2729
02:28:45,440 --> 02:28:50,680
Speaker 4: this looks like. People are preparing because I guess there's

2730
02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:52,960
Speaker 4: one more important thing, which at the naval base is

2731
02:28:52,959 --> 02:28:55,039
Speaker 4: where they're running their operations out of. But the naval

2732
02:28:55,040 --> 02:28:59,240
Speaker 4: base has declined the request to house them, so they're

2733
02:28:59,240 --> 02:29:01,400
Speaker 4: probably gonna be in hell seop We're going to target those,

2734
02:29:01,520 --> 02:29:05,040
Speaker 4: but yeah, that's that's where things are at as of Wednesday.

2735
02:29:06,120 --> 02:29:10,160
Speaker 4: They're staging in this weird naval base that is really

2736
02:29:10,560 --> 02:29:13,080
Speaker 4: not close to the city.

2737
02:29:13,879 --> 02:29:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the real focus on this anti crime

2738
02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:20,879
Speaker 3: crackdown is also a way to like trojan horse slightly

2739
02:29:20,959 --> 02:29:25,480
Speaker 3: obscured ICE operations. And when Nacheler talking about like National

2740
02:29:25,560 --> 02:29:29,400
Speaker 3: Guard deployments to cities nationwide, the actual main mode that

2741
02:29:29,640 --> 02:29:32,160
Speaker 3: National Guard will be operating in is logistical and like

2742
02:29:32,320 --> 02:29:36,120
Speaker 3: like PaperWorks support for ICE operations. Yep, at least for

2743
02:29:36,160 --> 02:29:40,160
Speaker 3: these like broader nationwide deployments. With these specific deployment in

2744
02:29:40,200 --> 02:29:44,680
Speaker 3: DC and in Chicago, there's there's more preparation for like

2745
02:29:45,120 --> 02:29:48,240
Speaker 3: carrying out ordinary law enforcement actions. But those actions also

2746
02:29:48,320 --> 02:29:52,480
Speaker 3: exist in coordination with immigration crackdowns, and like that's a

2747
02:29:52,560 --> 02:29:55,200
Speaker 3: lot of what these like more militarized occupations are going

2748
02:29:55,280 --> 02:29:58,320
Speaker 3: to be focused on. Yeah, and it's worth noting, like

2749
02:29:59,040 --> 02:30:01,720
Speaker 3: just logistically, like they're not going to be sending the

2750
02:30:01,800 --> 02:30:05,800
Speaker 3: Guard into the parts of Chicago where they're like aret

2751
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:08,280
Speaker 3: is crime sometimes, although again it's worth noting crime rates

2752
02:30:08,320 --> 02:30:11,000
Speaker 3: that waged fuck down. Yeah, But also like every story

2753
02:30:11,000 --> 02:30:12,959
Speaker 3: about this is like, oh, there were shootings over the weekend,

2754
02:30:13,000 --> 02:30:17,800
Speaker 3: and it's like, yeah, it's not good, but like the

2755
02:30:17,920 --> 02:30:20,160
Speaker 3: National Guard is not going to be deployed to stop shootings.

2756
02:30:20,160 --> 02:30:23,080
Speaker 3: They literally can't get there. Again, It's like no, three

2757
02:30:23,160 --> 02:30:24,120
Speaker 3: hours out.

2758
02:30:24,440 --> 02:30:26,879
Speaker 2: No, they can't get to the north side of Chicago.

2759
02:30:27,040 --> 02:30:28,920
Speaker 2: And as as we all know from the song Bad

2760
02:30:29,000 --> 02:30:31,599
Speaker 2: Bad Lee broy Brown, the south side of Chicago.

2761
02:30:31,320 --> 02:30:32,360
Speaker 21: Is the baddest part of town.

2762
02:30:32,600 --> 02:30:33,760
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.

2763
02:30:34,200 --> 02:30:35,040
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna ignore that.

2764
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:36,400
Speaker 21: Uh huh, yeah, you should just ignore that.

2765
02:30:36,600 --> 02:30:38,200
Speaker 4: There are places in Norset that they could deploy. But

2766
02:30:38,360 --> 02:30:41,200
Speaker 4: if you're trying to get to the actual south side,

2767
02:30:41,280 --> 02:30:43,720
Speaker 4: it is at least a three hour drive. And that's

2768
02:30:43,760 --> 02:30:46,480
Speaker 4: like assuming that, like the traffic isn't bad, Like it's

2769
02:30:46,480 --> 02:30:49,440
Speaker 4: at least three hours. It's possibly larger than that. I

2770
02:30:50,720 --> 02:30:52,880
Speaker 4: I didn't even bother checking it because I looked at

2771
02:30:52,879 --> 02:30:54,680
Speaker 4: where this was and I was like, this is basically

2772
02:30:54,720 --> 02:30:57,960
Speaker 4: in Wisconsin, what are we doing here? So like this

2773
02:30:58,160 --> 02:31:00,000
Speaker 4: is you know, this is this is Gys Garson say,

2774
02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:02,200
Speaker 4: this is a this is a giant show force thing,

2775
02:31:02,400 --> 02:31:05,640
Speaker 4: and it's but it's mostly just this is the sort

2776
02:31:05,640 --> 02:31:08,039
Speaker 4: of shock and all thing to frame this as crime

2777
02:31:08,400 --> 02:31:12,600
Speaker 4: so that people aren't focusing on and obviously like it's

2778
02:31:12,640 --> 02:31:15,000
Speaker 4: bad having just like troops in the streets, but like

2779
02:31:15,720 --> 02:31:18,200
Speaker 4: the ice enforcement and the border patrol deployment is what

2780
02:31:18,640 --> 02:31:19,800
Speaker 4: the actual threat is here?

2781
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:24,480
Speaker 3: And yeah, and like, Yeah, Depentagon and the Trump badmen

2782
02:31:24,560 --> 02:31:26,600
Speaker 3: are planning a lot of different scenarios that they would

2783
02:31:26,720 --> 02:31:30,080
Speaker 3: like to enact. But Trump's actual comments on like a larger,

2784
02:31:30,200 --> 02:31:32,640
Speaker 3: like military style deployment to Chicago had been a little

2785
02:31:32,680 --> 02:31:35,600
Speaker 3: bit flip floppy. I think they're still trying to reach

2786
02:31:35,720 --> 02:31:39,280
Speaker 3: some kind of deal to like work with the local

2787
02:31:39,360 --> 02:31:42,400
Speaker 3: government and state governments in a way that is less

2788
02:31:42,760 --> 02:31:46,720
Speaker 3: bombastic than like a like a completely like adversarial deployment

2789
02:31:47,000 --> 02:31:47,400
Speaker 3: would be.

2790
02:31:47,760 --> 02:31:47,960
Speaker 17: Yeah.

2791
02:31:48,240 --> 02:31:51,600
Speaker 3: Even that that press conference where the shambling corpse of

2792
02:31:51,640 --> 02:31:55,840
Speaker 3: Trump made an appearance, his comments about the possibility of

2793
02:31:55,840 --> 02:31:59,800
Speaker 3: the plot of to Chicago is seemed still pretty explorer

2794
02:31:59,840 --> 02:32:04,080
Speaker 3: to There's still there's still like conversations being had about

2795
02:32:04,240 --> 02:32:07,000
Speaker 3: how to actually do this. They are not as as

2796
02:32:07,080 --> 02:32:10,320
Speaker 3: brazen as what they were in LA, and they don't

2797
02:32:10,360 --> 02:32:12,680
Speaker 3: have as much justification to do what they did in

2798
02:32:12,800 --> 02:32:15,640
Speaker 3: DC to a city like Chicago. So they're still trying

2799
02:32:15,640 --> 02:32:17,840
Speaker 3: to work out some kind of deal with like the

2800
02:32:17,920 --> 02:32:18,760
Speaker 3: local governments.

2801
02:32:19,120 --> 02:32:21,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's really unclear to me that they're going

2802
02:32:21,520 --> 02:32:23,800
Speaker 4: to be able to reach a deal with Brendon Johnson

2803
02:32:24,200 --> 02:32:25,920
Speaker 4: and with Pritzker, who's leading it.

2804
02:32:26,200 --> 02:32:28,920
Speaker 3: It seems that Brandon Johnson's less willing to work with

2805
02:32:28,959 --> 02:32:30,720
Speaker 3: Trump on this than the mayor of d C, so

2806
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:33,000
Speaker 3: props to him for that, I guess.

2807
02:32:33,560 --> 02:32:33,760
Speaker 21: Yeah.

2808
02:32:34,360 --> 02:32:37,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's just also a thing where Brandon Johnson

2809
02:32:37,240 --> 02:32:42,080
Speaker 4: is like very deeply unpopular in Chicago. However, comma actual

2810
02:32:42,160 --> 02:32:45,680
Speaker 4: federal deployment there is so unpopular that you have you

2811
02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:47,959
Speaker 4: have the fact that The Sun Times is pointing out

2812
02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:50,039
Speaker 4: in their reporting of this that crime reach are down,

2813
02:32:50,040 --> 02:32:52,720
Speaker 4: which they have never done, like ever, That's not a

2814
02:32:52,800 --> 02:32:55,960
Speaker 4: thing they ever talk about. It's so unpopular that there

2815
02:32:56,080 --> 02:32:59,560
Speaker 4: is really really significant pressure on both Pritzker and Johnson

2816
02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:02,520
Speaker 4: not do this, and you know, maybe they cave. I

2817
02:33:02,600 --> 02:33:04,160
Speaker 4: have I have a kind of low opinion of them

2818
02:33:04,240 --> 02:33:07,080
Speaker 4: from like my like time in the city doing politics there.

2819
02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:10,080
Speaker 4: But I don't think they're going to cave on this, No,

2820
02:33:10,280 --> 02:33:12,600
Speaker 4: And I think what that means is that it's mostly

2821
02:33:12,680 --> 02:33:16,959
Speaker 4: going to be the homeland security like ice border patrol deployments.

2822
02:33:17,080 --> 02:33:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Chicago does fall into our very loose definition

2823
02:33:20,640 --> 02:33:21,520
Speaker 3: of like a border.

2824
02:33:21,400 --> 02:33:25,080
Speaker 21: Town, h yes, which most towns are.

2825
02:33:25,400 --> 02:33:27,199
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah.

2826
02:33:27,400 --> 02:33:29,119
Speaker 21: Speaking of JB.

2827
02:33:29,240 --> 02:33:32,879
Speaker 2: Pritzker, I mean he has a lot of corporate interests.

2828
02:33:32,920 --> 02:33:35,000
Speaker 2: He may have stock in one of the companies advertising

2829
02:33:35,040 --> 02:33:36,600
Speaker 2: on our show. They have no way of knowing.

2830
02:33:48,480 --> 02:33:48,879
Speaker 21: We'll back.

2831
02:33:49,720 --> 02:33:51,200
Speaker 4: I just got a text from JB.

2832
02:33:51,320 --> 02:33:55,279
Speaker 3: Pritzker was recruiting for the private People's Militia to defend

2833
02:33:55,720 --> 02:33:57,600
Speaker 3: the free municipality of Chicago.

2834
02:33:58,360 --> 02:34:01,560
Speaker 2: So he's recruiting horse archer for thees.

2835
02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:02,120
Speaker 15: Yeah.

2836
02:34:02,320 --> 02:34:06,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to be able to loose twelve arrows

2837
02:34:06,240 --> 02:34:09,000
Speaker 2: a minute from the back of a war pony in

2838
02:34:09,160 --> 02:34:11,280
Speaker 2: order to in order to make the make the cut.

2839
02:34:11,840 --> 02:34:14,520
Speaker 4: Protesters did shoot arrows at the cops at Hong Kong,

2840
02:34:15,040 --> 02:34:17,280
Speaker 4: so it's not it's not without precedent.

2841
02:34:17,440 --> 02:34:19,880
Speaker 21: Yes they did. Yes, they did at the university. Yeah.

2842
02:34:20,520 --> 02:34:23,240
Speaker 3: Well, and you know, if if Florida National Guard deploys

2843
02:34:23,280 --> 02:34:26,080
Speaker 3: to Illinois, they may be able to use biological warfare

2844
02:34:26,240 --> 02:34:29,800
Speaker 3: because the Florida Surgeon General has just vowed to end

2845
02:34:30,360 --> 02:34:34,560
Speaker 3: all of the state's vaccine mandates, equitting them with slavery

2846
02:34:34,640 --> 02:34:39,360
Speaker 3: amazing stuff, not just the COVID mandates, all vaccine mandates

2847
02:34:39,440 --> 02:34:41,800
Speaker 3: across this state. After he announced this, he got like

2848
02:34:42,120 --> 02:34:46,360
Speaker 3: over thirty seconds of applause, like NonStop. I will play

2849
02:34:46,400 --> 02:34:48,640
Speaker 3: a little bit of the end of this announcement.

2850
02:34:49,160 --> 02:34:49,560
Speaker 21: M hmm.

2851
02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:53,600
Speaker 12: Every last one of them is wrong and drips with

2852
02:34:53,800 --> 02:35:00,200
Speaker 12: disdain and and slavery. Okay, who am I as a

2853
02:35:00,240 --> 02:35:03,240
Speaker 12: government or anyone else? Or who am I is a

2854
02:35:03,320 --> 02:35:07,040
Speaker 12: man standing here now to tell you what you should

2855
02:35:07,120 --> 02:35:12,440
Speaker 12: put in your body? Who am I to tell you

2856
02:35:13,040 --> 02:35:15,240
Speaker 12: what your child should put in your body?

2857
02:35:17,040 --> 02:35:21,240
Speaker 4: I don't have that right. Your body, your.

2858
02:35:21,160 --> 02:35:23,280
Speaker 5: Body is a gift from God.

2859
02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:27,880
Speaker 4: You really wanted to say, your body, your choice, what

2860
02:35:28,040 --> 02:35:31,880
Speaker 4: you put into your body is because of your relationship.

2861
02:35:31,480 --> 02:35:32,760
Speaker 12: With your body and your God.

2862
02:35:33,640 --> 02:35:37,080
Speaker 4: I don't have that right. Oh really, oh really? Oh wow,

2863
02:35:37,720 --> 02:35:41,920
Speaker 4: unless it's trans healthcare, which case you simply cannot a

2864
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:45,240
Speaker 4: little on the nose there, God, Yeah, it's frankly wild.

2865
02:35:45,720 --> 02:35:52,720
Speaker 22: Yeah, motherfucker. It's like it's like that commercial.

2866
02:35:52,480 --> 02:35:54,520
Speaker 4: That was I don't know, you might be too young

2867
02:35:54,560 --> 02:35:54,680
Speaker 4: for this.

2868
02:35:54,760 --> 02:35:57,320
Speaker 22: Guess there's this commercial with this this old man with

2869
02:35:57,440 --> 02:35:59,359
Speaker 22: like a dollar on a fishing.

2870
02:35:59,080 --> 02:36:02,120
Speaker 4: Rod going almost got it. It's literally that.

2871
02:36:02,520 --> 02:36:06,880
Speaker 3: It's literally that no, very close into walking into a

2872
02:36:06,959 --> 02:36:10,400
Speaker 3: full body autonomy argument there, even though you know, for

2873
02:36:10,480 --> 02:36:14,200
Speaker 3: reproductive healthcare that is unrelated to general public health, which

2874
02:36:14,200 --> 02:36:16,960
Speaker 3: is why these mandates exist, which can affect people besides you.

2875
02:36:17,520 --> 02:36:17,720
Speaker 4: Yep.

2876
02:36:19,320 --> 02:36:21,520
Speaker 3: Ron Santas announced and during the same press conference the

2877
02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:25,520
Speaker 3: creation of Florida's own Make America Healthy Again Commission, which

2878
02:36:25,560 --> 02:36:29,720
Speaker 3: will enforce Robert F. Kennedy's policies to the fullest extent

2879
02:36:30,280 --> 02:36:31,000
Speaker 3: in their state.

2880
02:36:31,440 --> 02:36:34,880
Speaker 23: Grand he was the least charismatic person we saw speak

2881
02:36:34,959 --> 02:36:38,200
Speaker 23: at the RNC last year, just saying yeah, Desantas, Yeah,

2882
02:36:38,240 --> 02:36:39,039
Speaker 23: in my opinion.

2883
02:36:39,040 --> 02:36:43,480
Speaker 4: No, no, who was worse? Jd Vance? Vance was there

2884
02:36:43,720 --> 02:36:46,800
Speaker 4: that that lady did fall asleep.

2885
02:36:47,560 --> 02:36:51,680
Speaker 2: Man, and people people were outwardly contemptuous of Vans at

2886
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:55,039
Speaker 2: the RNC, like like Republicans were contemptuous.

2887
02:36:55,360 --> 02:36:58,480
Speaker 3: But remember the women for trouble, the woman who fell

2888
02:36:58,480 --> 02:37:01,320
Speaker 3: asleep next to us, the advanced speech.

2889
02:37:01,200 --> 02:37:02,920
Speaker 22: And then mold he's so dry.

2890
02:37:03,640 --> 02:37:05,240
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, that was really good.

2891
02:37:05,680 --> 02:37:05,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2892
02:37:06,520 --> 02:37:09,959
Speaker 22: But I would say DeSantis is a solid number two.

2893
02:37:10,120 --> 02:37:11,119
Speaker 22: Maybe abbot three.

2894
02:37:11,640 --> 02:37:12,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2895
02:37:12,680 --> 02:37:15,200
Speaker 3: Maybe they should have got a vaccine to boost their

2896
02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:16,920
Speaker 3: charismas dats that's right.

2897
02:37:16,840 --> 02:37:17,600
Speaker 21: That's how that works.

2898
02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:20,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, lax Aura, So.

2899
02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:22,440
Speaker 3: This is really dangerous. This is going to put a

2900
02:37:22,480 --> 02:37:26,680
Speaker 3: whole bunch of kids in harm's way. Yeah, worrying trend.

2901
02:37:27,040 --> 02:37:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2902
02:37:28,040 --> 02:37:30,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk a little bit about Ukraine. Ukraine

2903
02:37:31,040 --> 02:37:34,879
Speaker 2: specifically kind of the present situation of the war in Ukraine.

2904
02:37:35,000 --> 02:37:39,039
Speaker 2: Just kind of another little update, because people catch little

2905
02:37:39,080 --> 02:37:41,920
Speaker 2: bits here and there on the news about what's happening,

2906
02:37:42,120 --> 02:37:45,280
Speaker 2: and I think felt like we should probably update people

2907
02:37:45,480 --> 02:37:47,880
Speaker 2: as to like what's been going on. Kind of the

2908
02:37:47,959 --> 02:37:51,360
Speaker 2: most recent news you've probably heard is that Russian forces

2909
02:37:51,440 --> 02:37:55,760
Speaker 2: have been advancing in the Dnetsk Oblast and recently broke

2910
02:37:55,840 --> 02:37:59,959
Speaker 2: into an eighth region of Ukraine and started taking villages

2911
02:38:00,320 --> 02:38:03,440
Speaker 2: in the d naipro Petrovsk region, which is like a

2912
02:38:03,520 --> 02:38:06,880
Speaker 2: major industrial center that's next to the Denet region, where

2913
02:38:07,280 --> 02:38:11,199
Speaker 2: Russian soldiers had not been recently. At this point, gains

2914
02:38:11,320 --> 02:38:13,640
Speaker 2: in this new region by Russia have been seemed to

2915
02:38:13,720 --> 02:38:17,520
Speaker 2: be fairly minimal. They've entered two villages in the eastern

2916
02:38:17,600 --> 02:38:20,880
Speaker 2: part of the region. The Russian Defense Ministry claims that

2917
02:38:20,920 --> 02:38:24,080
Speaker 2: they captured both of the villages. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry

2918
02:38:24,160 --> 02:38:26,680
Speaker 2: has said, well, they're in the area and they're basically

2919
02:38:26,800 --> 02:38:29,840
Speaker 2: contesting them, but they haven't entrenched or built fortifications, like

2920
02:38:29,959 --> 02:38:33,840
Speaker 2: fighting is ongoing. I'm sure neither country is giving out

2921
02:38:33,879 --> 02:38:36,480
Speaker 2: perfectly accurate data, but it seems certainly fair to say

2922
02:38:36,640 --> 02:38:40,080
Speaker 2: and verifiable to say that Russia has made an incursion

2923
02:38:40,120 --> 02:38:43,960
Speaker 2: into this region, and the fighting is ongoing, however solid

2924
02:38:44,040 --> 02:38:46,760
Speaker 2: their gains may or may not be. This is not

2925
02:38:46,959 --> 02:38:50,680
Speaker 2: the entirety of what's going on in the conflict overall.

2926
02:38:51,200 --> 02:38:54,120
Speaker 2: The basically the whole line of contact with Russia, which

2927
02:38:54,120 --> 02:38:56,720
Speaker 2: is about one thousand miles long, is in play at

2928
02:38:56,800 --> 02:39:00,400
Speaker 2: the moment, but there have not been like massive gains

2929
02:39:00,520 --> 02:39:03,360
Speaker 2: over the last couple of months, And in fact, as

2930
02:39:03,440 --> 02:39:06,720
Speaker 2: of August of twenty twenty five, Russian forces occupied about

2931
02:39:06,800 --> 02:39:10,920
Speaker 2: nineteen percent of Ukrainian territory. They first hit nineteen percent

2932
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:14,480
Speaker 2: back in October of twenty twenty two, right before Ukrainian

2933
02:39:14,560 --> 02:39:17,960
Speaker 2: forces liberated a large chunk of the Kersan Oblast. So

2934
02:39:18,680 --> 02:39:22,240
Speaker 2: basically what we're seeing here is Russian forces reached this

2935
02:39:22,440 --> 02:39:26,680
Speaker 2: peak like three years ago, a Ukrainian counter offensive pushed

2936
02:39:26,760 --> 02:39:29,920
Speaker 2: them back, and over the last three years Russian forces

2937
02:39:29,959 --> 02:39:31,600
Speaker 2: have kind of clawed their way back to where they

2938
02:39:31,680 --> 02:39:34,480
Speaker 2: were near the end of twenty twenty two. Right if

2939
02:39:34,480 --> 02:39:36,760
Speaker 2: you're looking for like what is the overall progress of

2940
02:39:36,840 --> 02:39:39,920
Speaker 2: this war over the last three years, So that's obviously

2941
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:43,520
Speaker 2: not going well for Ukraine, but it's also not This

2942
02:39:43,720 --> 02:39:47,040
Speaker 2: is not a situation where Ukrainian forces are in any

2943
02:39:47,160 --> 02:39:49,680
Speaker 2: kind of collapse like you're looking at. It took Russia

2944
02:39:49,720 --> 02:39:52,320
Speaker 2: three years to get back to where they were three

2945
02:39:52,400 --> 02:39:55,200
Speaker 2: years ago, So this is I mean, this continues to

2946
02:39:55,240 --> 02:39:58,440
Speaker 2: be a grinding and hideous conflict, but it does not

2947
02:39:58,520 --> 02:40:00,840
Speaker 2: look like one at which the end is in any

2948
02:40:00,879 --> 02:40:04,080
Speaker 2: way in sight. Still, even with the kind of pulling

2949
02:40:04,160 --> 02:40:06,920
Speaker 2: of support from the US of Ukraine, with the reduction

2950
02:40:07,200 --> 02:40:09,960
Speaker 2: in arm shipments and whatnot from the United States to Ukraine,

2951
02:40:10,440 --> 02:40:14,040
Speaker 2: there's not any signs of like a generalized collapse, And

2952
02:40:14,320 --> 02:40:17,000
Speaker 2: in fact, over the last couple of years, there's been

2953
02:40:17,000 --> 02:40:21,400
Speaker 2: a fairly minimal increase in occupied territory. Right now, the

2954
02:40:21,480 --> 02:40:25,560
Speaker 2: pace of Russia's advance in Ukraine, per a recent AP article,

2955
02:40:25,920 --> 02:40:28,560
Speaker 2: has slowed by eighteen percent just over the month of August.

2956
02:40:28,600 --> 02:40:31,519
Speaker 2: So Russian forces took about four hundred and sixty kilometers

2957
02:40:31,600 --> 02:40:35,080
Speaker 2: of territory in August and had been seizing more like

2958
02:40:35,440 --> 02:40:38,480
Speaker 2: five six hundred square kilometers of territory a month in

2959
02:40:38,600 --> 02:40:41,640
Speaker 2: the couple of months prior to that. So that's kind

2960
02:40:41,640 --> 02:40:43,880
Speaker 2: of what you're looking at in terms of the overall

2961
02:40:44,280 --> 02:40:47,280
Speaker 2: pace of the conflict. One of the major changes that

2962
02:40:47,400 --> 02:40:50,720
Speaker 2: we've seen over the last like really specifically like a

2963
02:40:50,760 --> 02:40:53,680
Speaker 2: couple of quarters in the conflict is Ukraine has been

2964
02:40:53,720 --> 02:40:59,000
Speaker 2: increasing their capacity to hit Russian strategic targets behind the line,

2965
02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:02,119
Speaker 2: like well, behind the line, we're talking fuel and we're

2966
02:41:02,120 --> 02:41:06,560
Speaker 2: talking power infrastructure, which has been extremely successful. One of

2967
02:41:06,600 --> 02:41:08,959
Speaker 2: the things that's allowed Ukraine to hit these further back

2968
02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:13,680
Speaker 2: targets has been they've they've started producing an indigenous style

2969
02:41:13,720 --> 02:41:17,240
Speaker 2: of cruise missile code named the Flamingo, which has an

2970
02:41:17,280 --> 02:41:20,200
Speaker 2: eleven hundred almost twelve hundred kilogram warhead and a three

2971
02:41:20,280 --> 02:41:24,240
Speaker 2: thousand kilometer range, which puts it about one thousand kilometers

2972
02:41:24,480 --> 02:41:27,560
Speaker 2: past kind of the maximum range the one way attack

2973
02:41:27,640 --> 02:41:31,000
Speaker 2: drones like these one way suicide UAVs, which had been

2974
02:41:31,160 --> 02:41:34,480
Speaker 2: Ukraine's furthest in way to strike Russian territory, those only

2975
02:41:34,520 --> 02:41:37,320
Speaker 2: reached in about two thousand kilometers, So this puts a

2976
02:41:37,400 --> 02:41:41,920
Speaker 2: significant amount of like Russia's infrastructure, within Ukraine's ability to target.

2977
02:41:42,400 --> 02:41:45,960
Speaker 2: They're currently producing I think that they're hoping to get

2978
02:41:46,040 --> 02:41:48,360
Speaker 2: up to by the end of the year, seven missiles

2979
02:41:48,400 --> 02:41:51,880
Speaker 2: a day by October. Now, these new cruise missiles are

2980
02:41:51,959 --> 02:41:55,400
Speaker 2: fairly easy to shoot down with like modern air defenses,

2981
02:41:55,520 --> 02:41:58,560
Speaker 2: but modern air defenses are in short supply. So it's

2982
02:41:58,600 --> 02:42:01,480
Speaker 2: a matter of if you're able to produce an increasing

2983
02:42:01,600 --> 02:42:03,440
Speaker 2: number of these and you're fleeing as many of them

2984
02:42:03,480 --> 02:42:06,120
Speaker 2: as you can out every day, the Russians will have

2985
02:42:06,200 --> 02:42:08,880
Speaker 2: to make choices in terms of what infrastructure are we

2986
02:42:09,040 --> 02:42:14,400
Speaker 2: actually going to devote anti missile assets towards, and you

2987
02:42:14,480 --> 02:42:16,320
Speaker 2: know that's that's always going to be less than the

2988
02:42:16,400 --> 02:42:19,360
Speaker 2: total number of targets there are to hit. And the

2989
02:42:19,800 --> 02:42:22,680
Speaker 2: in terms of like evidence that these strikes have been successful,

2990
02:42:23,120 --> 02:42:27,440
Speaker 2: there has been increasing limitations on personal fuel use inside

2991
02:42:27,480 --> 02:42:30,840
Speaker 2: the Russian Federation and increasing power outages, like all of

2992
02:42:30,879 --> 02:42:33,160
Speaker 2: that has gotten more common over even just like the

2993
02:42:33,240 --> 02:42:37,240
Speaker 2: last several months in particular, So kind of overall, what

2994
02:42:37,360 --> 02:42:40,439
Speaker 2: we see if we're looking at this conflict is a grinding,

2995
02:42:40,920 --> 02:42:44,600
Speaker 2: high casualty endeavor where the Russians are slowly pushing back

2996
02:42:44,879 --> 02:42:48,840
Speaker 2: Ukrainian lines at the cost of a pretty nightmarish number

2997
02:42:48,879 --> 02:42:51,520
Speaker 2: of casualties. Right like, this is still a meat grinder

2998
02:42:51,920 --> 02:42:54,560
Speaker 2: conflict and that dimension on the ground for the Russians

2999
02:42:54,600 --> 02:42:58,120
Speaker 2: hasn't changed. The main thing that has changed is Ukraine

3000
02:42:58,240 --> 02:43:01,520
Speaker 2: has gotten better at striking behind the line, which has

3001
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:05,680
Speaker 2: been met by a significant acceleration in Russian strikes, particularly

3002
02:43:05,760 --> 02:43:09,000
Speaker 2: even on like civilian assets in Ukraine, Like there have

3003
02:43:09,120 --> 02:43:13,040
Speaker 2: been more missile campaigns, more drone bombardment campaigns on the

3004
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:16,320
Speaker 2: capitol and civilian targets than previously. Like some of the

3005
02:43:16,440 --> 02:43:19,000
Speaker 2: largest raids just took place like three or four days ago.

3006
02:43:19,720 --> 02:43:22,080
Speaker 2: You know, that's kind of a broad update as to

3007
02:43:22,160 --> 02:43:24,280
Speaker 2: what's going on. It continues to be a very ugly war.

3008
02:43:24,760 --> 02:43:26,600
Speaker 2: One of the main things that we've learned about what

3009
02:43:26,760 --> 02:43:29,320
Speaker 2: modern warfare is going to look like is that it

3010
02:43:29,440 --> 02:43:34,640
Speaker 2: is almost impossible for infantry forces without air supremacy to

3011
02:43:34,920 --> 02:43:39,039
Speaker 2: break and make large advances and then hold that territory

3012
02:43:39,280 --> 02:43:42,280
Speaker 2: if they do not have air supremacy. When you're looking

3013
02:43:42,320 --> 02:43:46,480
Speaker 2: at two peer combatants, that's almost impossible to do. And

3014
02:43:46,640 --> 02:43:50,720
Speaker 2: so a significant amount of the fighting devolves into who

3015
02:43:50,800 --> 02:43:54,000
Speaker 2: can fling drones and missiles behind the lines and hit

3016
02:43:54,640 --> 02:43:58,800
Speaker 2: different sort of strategic assets with more efficacy. And that's

3017
02:43:59,480 --> 02:44:01,720
Speaker 2: what the war has bogged down to at this stage.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of aerial strikes, do we want to at least

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Speaker 3: reference the attack on the Venezuelan alleged drugs smuggling vessel

3020
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Speaker 3: that was announced during Trump's death press conference.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, we blew up a boat.

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Speaker 2: We did a boat in international waters that was claimed

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02:44:19,480 --> 02:44:22,640
Speaker 2: to be at trinda Agua, which is a Venezuelan kind

3024
02:44:22,680 --> 02:44:26,960
Speaker 2: of analogous to a cartel organized criminal organization.

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Speaker 4: One of the biggest boogeymans of the second Trump term.

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02:44:29,480 --> 02:44:35,720
Speaker 2: Yes they're primary like Latin American boogeyman, and yeah, we

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Speaker 2: blew them up. The administration is claiming it was filled

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Speaker 2: with fentanyl or whatever. I don't believe there's as of

3029
02:44:42,240 --> 02:44:45,680
Speaker 2: yet any independent evidence that this boat was in any

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02:44:45,720 --> 02:44:48,720
Speaker 2: way affiliated with Trindagua or carrying drugs or headed to

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Speaker 2: the United States. We simply don't know a lot of times,

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Speaker 2: like just the way that trinda Agua works, this is

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Speaker 2: not like the Sinaloa cartel. This is not a cartel

3034
02:44:58,360 --> 02:45:02,800
Speaker 2: that has a massive degree of international capacity that extends

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Speaker 2: to the United States. Like there's even significant debate as

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Speaker 2: to how much they are extended into other parts of

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Speaker 2: Latin America. They've had like really limited success expanding into

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Speaker 2: Colombia because different insurgent groups like the FARC and the

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Speaker 2: ELN have provided a significant counter veiling force to them.

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Speaker 2: And I wanted to note because one of my sources

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Speaker 2: is an article on Trindagua by America's Quarterly and in

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02:45:28,400 --> 02:45:32,040
Speaker 2: talking about their kind of troubled expansion into Colombia, this

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02:45:32,240 --> 02:45:36,560
Speaker 2: article notes tellingly, even in these spaces, TDA Operative subcontract

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Speaker 2: smaller local gangs and authorize them to use their name

3045
02:45:39,240 --> 02:45:41,800
Speaker 2: to generate fear in compliance with their victims. And this

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Speaker 2: is a really common thing with Trindaugua where when you're seeing,

3047
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Speaker 2: oh this is you know, TDA affiliated or whatnot, these

3048
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Speaker 2: guys may have no actual communication or very much to

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02:45:52,440 --> 02:45:55,000
Speaker 2: do at all with the centralized group. They're just kind

3050
02:45:55,040 --> 02:45:59,360
Speaker 2: of using the name for branding purposes because it scares

3051
02:45:59,440 --> 02:46:02,000
Speaker 2: off other gangs because it allows them to like act

3052
02:46:02,080 --> 02:46:05,040
Speaker 2: as if they're connected to this larger organization, but they

3053
02:46:05,120 --> 02:46:07,720
Speaker 2: really are not in a very meaningful way. In the

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Speaker 2: same way, a lot of you'll see a lot of

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02:46:10,040 --> 02:46:11,760
Speaker 2: articles that will be talking about like these are trinda

3056
02:46:11,760 --> 02:46:14,800
Speaker 2: Agua tattoos, Like none of them are actual like tattoos

3057
02:46:14,840 --> 02:46:19,160
Speaker 2: affiliated with the group. This is like largely nonsense because

3058
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Speaker 2: Trindagwa doesn't have a tattoo tradition. Per the people who

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02:46:22,160 --> 02:46:25,279
Speaker 2: are actually experts on Trindogwa. There's a lot of good articles,

3060
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Speaker 2: particularly in Insight Crime Jeremy McDermott being one of the

3061
02:46:29,480 --> 02:46:31,440
Speaker 2: authors that have tried to bust a lot of these

3062
02:46:31,480 --> 02:46:34,240
Speaker 2: myths about TDA. We'll be doing more coverage on them

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02:46:34,280 --> 02:46:36,879
Speaker 2: in the future, but like, yeah, that's kind of the situation.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of international shipments.

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Speaker 17: Oh boy, sorry, locking jazz, locking jazz bog Sorry locking jazz.

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Speaker 8: B locking jazz bog.

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Speaker 21: Ah, that's good stuff.

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Speaker 4: Jesus Christ. Okay, So nobody being murdered in cold blood

3069
02:47:02,320 --> 02:47:05,800
Speaker 4: to post a video on x dot com. The everything

3070
02:47:05,840 --> 02:47:10,120
Speaker 4: app in this one, but probably there's its own fair

3071
02:47:10,240 --> 02:47:12,840
Speaker 4: share of harm. Yeah. So, at the end of last week,

3072
02:47:13,000 --> 02:47:16,920
Speaker 4: the official end of the deminimus exemption for packages under

3073
02:47:16,920 --> 02:47:21,280
Speaker 4: eight hundred dollars finally fully went into effect. We're going

3074
02:47:21,360 --> 02:47:23,200
Speaker 4: to talk about this more next week when it's more

3075
02:47:23,280 --> 02:47:26,600
Speaker 4: clear what the large scale ramifications of this are. We

3076
02:47:26,680 --> 02:47:28,840
Speaker 4: have been talking about this for a very very long time.

3077
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Speaker 4: The other really big news this week, and this is

3078
02:47:32,760 --> 02:47:36,720
Speaker 4: I think most of what's been going on here has

3079
02:47:36,920 --> 02:47:40,400
Speaker 4: been the US Circuit Court of Appeals for the Federal

3080
02:47:40,440 --> 02:47:43,240
Speaker 4: Circuit ruled that most of the tariffs that are in

3081
02:47:43,280 --> 02:47:48,360
Speaker 4: effect are illegal now. The court also basically put in

3082
02:47:48,440 --> 02:47:50,680
Speaker 4: a thing saying that this ruling doesn't go into effect

3083
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Speaker 4: until October fourteenth, so that Trump can have time to appeal.

3084
02:47:53,760 --> 02:47:55,800
Speaker 4: This is a Supreme Court. He's already appealing to the

3085
02:47:55,840 --> 02:48:00,440
Speaker 4: Supreme Court, trying to he wants a quote expedited ruling

3086
02:48:00,560 --> 02:48:04,039
Speaker 4: from the Supreme Court. He started ranting about how if

3087
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Speaker 4: the tariffs go back into effect, are not allowed to

3088
02:48:07,680 --> 02:48:10,200
Speaker 4: be in effect, the US will quote turn into a

3089
02:48:10,280 --> 02:48:14,840
Speaker 4: third world country or may turn into a third world country. No, yeah,

3090
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Speaker 4: so not a third world country.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, the American Century of humiliation continues to chug on. Yeah, so, okay,

3092
02:48:25,640 --> 02:48:28,760
Speaker 3: it actually is worth talking about this case a little

3093
02:48:28,800 --> 02:48:31,600
Speaker 3: bit because it goes to the core of what's been

3094
02:48:31,640 --> 02:48:34,039
Speaker 3: happening with these terrorists, which is that yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

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02:48:34,240 --> 02:48:37,400
Speaker 4: So in the Constitution, if you read it, it says

3096
02:48:37,520 --> 02:48:41,720
Speaker 4: that the power of taxes and tariffs led with Congress.

3097
02:48:42,600 --> 02:48:47,080
Speaker 4: It really explicitly says this. I'm gonna I'm gonna read

3098
02:48:47,440 --> 02:48:50,520
Speaker 4: a thing from the ruling is this is a quote

3099
02:48:50,560 --> 02:48:53,840
Speaker 4: from the ruling. Quote. The Constitution grants Congress the power

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02:48:53,959 --> 02:48:57,840
Speaker 4: to quote lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises,

3101
02:48:58,280 --> 02:49:02,280
Speaker 4: and to quote regulate commerce with foreign nations. This is

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02:49:02,320 --> 02:49:06,960
Speaker 4: the constitutioned Article one, Action eight. I'm going to stop

3103
02:49:07,000 --> 02:49:09,600
Speaker 4: here to note that everything that's in the Bill of

3104
02:49:09,760 --> 02:49:12,880
Speaker 4: Rights was not in the original draft of the Constitution

3105
02:49:13,000 --> 02:49:15,360
Speaker 4: that got tacked on later. So like freedom of speech,

3106
02:49:16,040 --> 02:49:19,200
Speaker 4: and like freedom of assembly, and like freedom of religion

3107
02:49:19,240 --> 02:49:22,879
Speaker 4: were considered less important by the people writing this than

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Speaker 4: Congress or the other people who could do taxes. I'm

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02:49:25,680 --> 02:49:28,720
Speaker 4: going to keep reading from this ruling. Tariffs are a tax,

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Speaker 4: and the framers of the Constitution expressly contemplated the exclusive

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02:49:32,640 --> 02:49:36,160
Speaker 4: granting of taxing power to the legislative branch. When Patrick

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Speaker 4: Henry expressed concern that the president quote may easily become

3113
02:49:39,800 --> 02:49:46,680
Speaker 4: king debates in several state conventions, Jonathan Elliott eighteen thirty six,

3114
02:49:47,200 --> 02:49:49,960
Speaker 4: James Manison replied this would not occur because quote, the

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02:49:50,120 --> 02:49:53,039
Speaker 4: purse is in the hand of the representatives of the people.

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Speaker 3: So I cannot believe that we have a president doing

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02:49:58,160 --> 02:50:02,480
Speaker 3: a t tax in terrists. I know, I know where's

3118
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Speaker 3: Boston when you need it.

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Speaker 4: Robert, do the voice.

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Speaker 21: No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not your fucking monk.

3121
02:50:08,800 --> 02:50:10,480
Speaker 3: To see this is the only way to have to

3122
02:50:10,600 --> 02:50:12,720
Speaker 3: stop Robert from doing the voice is to try to

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02:50:12,760 --> 02:50:16,040
Speaker 3: get him into place because of oppositional defiance.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, that's that's what that's what rules may.

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Speaker 4: Okay, speaking of what rules are, so Trump has been

3126
02:50:21,280 --> 02:50:25,720
Speaker 4: using the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and he like

3127
02:50:25,879 --> 02:50:28,840
Speaker 4: declared a state of emergency over like drug trafficking in

3128
02:50:28,959 --> 02:50:33,200
Speaker 4: order to do this. This is nonsense, gibberish. And this

3129
02:50:33,360 --> 02:50:35,240
Speaker 4: is actually where I think this is a very very

3130
02:50:35,280 --> 02:50:38,320
Speaker 4: significant part of this case here, which is like, Okay,

3131
02:50:39,760 --> 02:50:43,359
Speaker 4: what power does Trump actually have? Like can he continue

3132
02:50:43,400 --> 02:50:45,760
Speaker 4: to just sort of rule the United States? Many people

3133
02:50:45,800 --> 02:50:48,680
Speaker 4: are asking me questions And I'm gonna read this this

3134
02:50:48,840 --> 02:50:53,080
Speaker 4: this line from CNN, which is quoting the court draft quote. Notably,

3135
02:50:53,280 --> 02:50:57,640
Speaker 4: when drafting the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, Congress did

3136
02:50:57,720 --> 02:51:01,280
Speaker 4: not use the term tariff or any of its synonyms

3137
02:51:01,400 --> 02:51:04,640
Speaker 4: like duty or tax. The Court said in its majority ruling,

3138
02:51:05,080 --> 02:51:10,080
Speaker 4: the absence of any such teriff language in the Act

3139
02:51:10,320 --> 02:51:14,160
Speaker 4: contrasts with statutes where Congress has affirmatively granted such powers

3140
02:51:14,520 --> 02:51:17,680
Speaker 4: and including clear limit on that power. So this law

3141
02:51:17,920 --> 02:51:20,200
Speaker 4: does not say that he could do this. He has

3142
02:51:20,240 --> 02:51:24,240
Speaker 4: simply been doing this the whole time, with using a

3143
02:51:24,320 --> 02:51:28,199
Speaker 4: law that it literally explicitly does not say the word

3144
02:51:28,840 --> 02:51:32,040
Speaker 4: tariff in it. So the Court is extremely unhappy about this.

3145
02:51:32,640 --> 02:51:35,760
Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, we got them, it really is. I

3146
02:51:35,920 --> 02:51:39,920
Speaker 4: think this is genuinely just on a basic constitutional level,

3147
02:51:40,080 --> 02:51:42,560
Speaker 4: this is one of the most staggering ones of these

3148
02:51:42,640 --> 02:51:45,520
Speaker 4: I've ever in terms of just like does the Constitution

3149
02:51:45,640 --> 02:51:50,080
Speaker 4: still exist? The answer is eh, Like, this is article

3150
02:51:50,440 --> 02:51:55,120
Speaker 4: one of the Constitution. It's article one. This is the

3151
02:51:55,320 --> 02:51:59,039
Speaker 4: first shit they wrote. This was like literally the whole

3152
02:51:59,160 --> 02:52:03,480
Speaker 4: point of the American Revolution was that the king can't

3153
02:52:03,560 --> 02:52:07,040
Speaker 4: levy taxes. It has to be the parliamentary representatives of

3154
02:52:07,080 --> 02:52:09,640
Speaker 4: the people. That's like the whole thing. It was that

3155
02:52:09,720 --> 02:52:12,680
Speaker 4: the slogan was no tsxactination without representation. Yes, yeah, and

3156
02:52:12,800 --> 02:52:14,840
Speaker 4: like and like obviously that's the stated goal of it.

3157
02:52:14,879 --> 02:52:16,880
Speaker 4: You could obviously go into your right, there's like a

3158
02:52:17,000 --> 02:52:19,440
Speaker 4: million other things. You can go into your territorial expansion,

3159
02:52:19,480 --> 02:52:21,000
Speaker 4: you can go into your slavery blah blah blah blah.

3160
02:52:21,040 --> 02:52:24,480
Speaker 4: But like, this is what it was supposed to be about.

3161
02:52:24,920 --> 02:52:27,320
Speaker 4: And has just claimed this power from himself, And we're

3162
02:52:27,320 --> 02:52:29,000
Speaker 4: going to get a real test in the Supreme Court.

3163
02:52:29,040 --> 02:52:31,880
Speaker 4: So the Supreme Court costs back from their recess in

3164
02:52:32,000 --> 02:52:35,520
Speaker 4: like a month, So we're gonna probably get a real

3165
02:52:35,600 --> 02:52:39,160
Speaker 4: test on how far the Supreme Court is willing to

3166
02:52:39,320 --> 02:52:45,880
Speaker 4: let Trump just straight up rule by executive fiat. But

3167
02:52:46,080 --> 02:52:48,280
Speaker 4: in the meantime, all these terrors are still in effect.

3168
02:52:48,840 --> 02:52:51,040
Speaker 4: And yeah, this has been tariff talk. We have talked

3169
02:52:51,040 --> 02:52:51,760
Speaker 4: about the tariffs.

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Speaker 21: Excellent.

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02:52:53,160 --> 02:52:55,520
Speaker 3: Well, I believe that does it for us. Yeah, you're

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02:52:55,600 --> 02:52:57,560
Speaker 3: at It could happen here, all.

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02:52:57,520 --> 02:53:01,760
Speaker 2: Right, everybody until next time. You know, Well, just if

3174
02:53:01,760 --> 02:53:05,040
Speaker 2: anyone tells you the precedence is dead, assume they're telling

3175
02:53:05,080 --> 02:53:06,760
Speaker 2: the truth and go live your life.

3176
02:53:07,320 --> 02:53:08,640
Speaker 4: We reported the news.

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02:53:09,520 --> 02:53:10,440
Speaker 5: We reported the news.

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