WEBVTT - Beauty School Dropout 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.840 Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.960 Studio on iHeart Radio. My name is Jordan runs Ug, 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.480 but enough about me. My guests today are self described 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:16.680 purveyors of renegade pop. That's their own unique blend of rock, punk, pop, 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.000 and hip hop. The customer genre hints at their diverse 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.759 blend of influences, ranging from Juice World to Justin Bieber 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.360 and the Smashing Pumpkins. You can get a taste by 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.880 listening to their new single, Assassin. After coalescing in the 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.559 early days of the pandemic, they've been co signed by 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.920 Pop Punk God's Pete Lentz and Mark Hoppus. We touched 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.680 on their new music, old influences, and wants to come 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.479 from this exciting new group. I'm so happy to welcome 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:50.000 Beauty School Dropout. First off, you've got your latest single, Assassins, 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.280 that just dropped, and you said it's about the things 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.400 that you love that can kill you. At the same time, 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.320 I feel like we've all been there in some ways, 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.400 one form or another. Can you tell me a little 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.400 bit more about that song? Yeah, you know, I think 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:07.240 we wrote about COVID. Yeah, being glazed by COVID Now, 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.240 you know, it's it's just that the age old lore 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.319 of like we always want what we can't have, or 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.160 you know, sometimes we get into these relationships that trap 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:21.560 us into uh, you know, lustful desires rather than like 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:23.760 things that are good for us are healthy for us. 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.160 And we've obviously had a fair share of those toxic relationships, 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.440 so we kind of tapped into that energy again. It's 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.920 such a great track, and I love the teaser clip 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.880 that you shared with Pete Winson Mark Hoppus was just 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.680 so funny. I know you worked very closely with those two. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.280 Note what's it like being with them? I mean, you know, 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.200 they're like, to me, they're like the founding fathers of 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:47.160 pop punk. Maybe maybe Billy Joe I'm strong in there too, 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.280 but I mean that's gotta be so great. Worked alongside them, 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:54.240 it's pretty absurd. It is insane, Like they're like as 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.480 being close to them, like obviously like it feels more 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.960 like just like a friendship and like that's cool partner 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:01.920 him and all these things, and but it still does 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.880 feel just as cool getting a text from one of 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.600 them or working with them. It's so say, Mark always 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.760 texts me to ask for computer help, and so I 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.960 love his personal I t I was like, I know, 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.200 but it's pretty cool. It's like, it's it's pretty surreal 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.760 being kind of you feel like you're kind of the 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:26.000 chosen band in a way. It's like, okay, cool, like 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.800 and we've got some big shoes to fill. Um. But 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.040 I think I kind of go back to this idea 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.200 that like, eventually we're going to be passing the torch 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.240 on someone else, hopefully if you know, we play their 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.080 cards right, And uh, I think that's kind of the 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:43.240 thing that really inspires me, is like crushing this opportunity 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.000 we have in front of us that we can go 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.320 past that torch on. Oh absolutely, I mean, who were 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:49.720 some of the other folks that made you want to 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:56.920 start making music? Dad? Dad, all of our dads, dads, 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.400 through and through. It's funny. They actually when we have shows, 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.040 they all come out and they meet up and we 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.160 call them the Delf Squad. So if you have y'all 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.080 ever see the Delf Squad triangulating at one of our shows, 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.760 definitely feel free to say, what's up? I love it. 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:15.840 They're more They're more rock star than us. It's so sick. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:22.000 We don't party, we're nerds. They go hard. I feel 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.359 like the harder your parents party, the more you're inclined 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.000 to kind of be the more bookish like indoor type. 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.520 Maybe maybe that's just me, but because I gotta, I 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:33.720 gotta part of your dad myself, so yeah, yeah yeah. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:35.640 And then as far as the music influences, is definitely 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:40.120 like Mark because blinkin a two boy green day, I 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.119 know that Cold grew up listening to like a little 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.200 bit heavier stuff. Bart and I listened to like a 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.640 lot of pop punk like Somebody Want Offspring. I love 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.560 like indie rock like Arcade Fire. Yeah. I came from 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:53.640 the metal and punk, so I don't know. I like 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:57.040 everything from from Sabbath to like Black Flag to the 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.280 more modern like Postcard Court stuff that's on the Radona 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.880 days like even Bring Me Early, Bring Me definitely set 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:07.080 me up for for my hardcore days. I think influence 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.440 weirdly comes from um. I mean, we listen to everything 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.720 because we write and produced for other artists as well, 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.680 So we write for you for pops writers too, you know, 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.160 or pop pop stars and rappers and you know whoever. 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.120 So it's just gonna be been in these situations where 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.040 we get to like create a bunch of different styles 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.160 of music, and I think because we're constantly in those 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:31.280 comparison settings, we're just like always pulling those influences into 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.719 our stuff. And like I was listening to some of 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.479 the demos we have do other day and I was like, dang, 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.760 like this doesn't really sound like anything else. It's this 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.800 weird mix of like you know, hip hop, rock and 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.600 pop pop all over the place. But it's just kind 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.240 of like it's fun. I love I love what we're doing. Yeah. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.440 I saw a Spotify list that that you shared of 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.200 just stuff you were listening to, and it had everything 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.080 from Smashing Pumpkins suggesting Bieber on it, and it's just 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.120 this incredible range and that totally shows up in your 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:03.000 music too. Do you know the social media account? Um, 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.560 I don't know why I phrase like that so grandfa 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.320 away I could have ever phrased that, but it's a 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.960 Twitter accounts, Instagram account, dust to Digital. Uh. This this 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:17.520 really interesting guy. He's like part archivists, part like music historian, 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.440 and he shares all these clips of like people in 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.520 foreign countries making music out of like rocks, and like 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.880 there's like a people in in in South America playing 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.480 the river like a drum, just all these crazy different 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.320 types of music and it all shows up in his 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.599 account and it's so interesting. I mean, I bet you 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.400 it's probably a lot of producers you sample a lot 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.160 of that stuff too, because it's really interesting. But I 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.160 was looking to talk with this guy, and he had 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.600 this theory about how every thirty years there's a turnover 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.359 of the the new primary genre. I mean, starting with jazz, 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.080 jazz kind of morphing into rock and roll in the 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.600 in the fifties, and the eighties, hip hop taken over. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:57.320 And then he was talking about how you know, in 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.280 thirty years after the eighties, it is the twenty tens, 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.880 what's the genre? And then he was saying the genres everything, 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.160 like with the capital e. It's like we we now 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.120 have all this music at our fingertips. It's just a 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.560 complete amalgamation and you take little pieces of from everywhere 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:14.600 and make something totally new out of it, and that's 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.599 the new genre. Just pretty what you're saying. It's pretty weird. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.919 How like, as we have more access to information and 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.520 data and obviously like everything to the internet, like the 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.800 cultural pendulum starts swinging faster. It's like just even going 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.280 back to that thought, seeing how we shifted from like 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:35.000 this like nickelback Daughtry rock to all of a sudden 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:39.560 like E d M and like Scrillis and all of 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.720 vij and all these people taking over the radio to 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.120 all of a sudden like trap and wrap too. Now 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.440 like back to rock. It's like been in these crazy, 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.880 like three to five year stints. Yeah, it's pretty well, 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.080 but I like now, I think because there's no barriers, 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:58.040 like everyone just collapse on everything and just steals from everything. 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:03.279 But he's stealing from everything, steal like an artist. It's 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.080 like true artists steal, but they know who to steal from. 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.880 I think that's the phrase was a great artists copy 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:13.440 true artists. It's true. If you steal it, it's yours. 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.840 If you copy it, you're copying because you could never 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.440 copy it. Exactly. We're trying to steal from everyone if 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.280 we were volauvas every time we make music, because we 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:27.040 like just be like Robin when I was a swag 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.400 Oh cool. You said something really interesting in a recent 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.640 interview that you think that will reach a new level 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.320 of recycling rock music. Kind of what you're talking about, 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.360 all the sounds of it and you name check people 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.360 like Jaris Johnson. I wanted to name to ask you 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.240 more about that totally. I mean kind of, like I said, 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.600 the cultural penelum is swinging faster and faster, and I think, like, 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.440 I don't know, we obviously have seen this phase of 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:55.800 like really heavily Blink influenced music come and I don't 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.480 want to say go, but definitely it's like evolving very 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.800 quickly into it is now. Like obviously, like I said, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.000 there's people doing kind of like the Nickelback thing, or 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.200 there's people doing like, oh no, I was even listening 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:09.960 to a friends records. I'm not gonna say who, but 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.520 they're tapping more into like the old kiss vein and 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.920 like seventies eighties glam rock and how that can be 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.560 mixed in the modern production, which is that's exciting to 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:22.560 me because that's why I'm like, okay, guys, like history 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:26.160 of rock goes far before the early two thousands, like 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.760 let's let's get deep in our pockets if we're really 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.400 going to go there, you know. Um So I guess 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.920 that's that's kind of where my brain has been, is 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.000 like seeing who is going to steal like an artist 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.520 from that bag of tricks and that palette like be 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.679 able to make it into something modern and fresh. Oh 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.800 that's so interesting to say. Talk to me about how 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.480 you guys all came together, because it felt sounds like 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.880 it was fairly recently in the pandemic. I mean, Cole 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:52.880 and Brent. I know you were in the Strange Faces together, 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.760 but how did you all coalesced? Three? Have you ever 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.800 heard of the app grinder? Yes? I have. They have 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.960 is like for threes section and that's where, Yeah, we 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.480 meet up and just kind of like you just want 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:09.560 to make a band. We thought Barto was a catfish, 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.760 so I brought be that's exactly make sure we're safe. 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.520 But but he's not a He's not a catfish. He's 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.960 more beautiful in real life. Yeah. Yeah, he's actually just 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:25.720 a bad I don't know if radio I'm not a catfish. 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:31.920 It's a bad bitch. But yeah we know. Actually, Uh, 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:36.840 I slid in too. Uh His exs d m him 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:41.160 being deepest and she was like, oh, yeah, we can 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:42.760 hang out. Can I bring my boyfriend? And I was 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.960 like yeah, And then it turns out he actually just 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:49.560 became my boyfriend. Uh, look where this part? This is 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.480 true story and then uh, I used to co produce 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.160 events with this place called Winston House. Our mutual friend 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.040 was performing, and she introduced Barto and I and at 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.479 that point, like, I've been kind of into like songwriting 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:05.079 for other people. His whole backgrounds producing for other people, 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.880 and uh, you know, we've all been in bands our 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:09.600 whole life, so when we got in there was just 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:14.640 this like this tangible synergy that was so hard to 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.120 recreate with anyone else. And from then on it is 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.320 like I mean really, it's like since that day, it's 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.000 been like every day for the last three years. We 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.400 fell in love. Yeah, yeah, just happened out of nowhere. 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.040 Definitely not expecting it, but we are because you're cold. 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.680 Weren't you initially considering being having like a solo venture 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:35.319 and then it just sort of became what it is now. Yeah, 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.480 you know. It's it's funny because like the front end 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.480 of the other band started kind of like writing his 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.200 own stuff and and and at that point, I was like, 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.640 I've spent my whole life playing guitar and bands, but 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.120 I always knew that the one I wanted to like 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.600 fully send on I would be fronting. And so at 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.240 that point I was just like, well, I'm already homeless 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.880 and broke, Like what else is there to lose, you know, 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.880 so you may as well to choose the lowest paying 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:01.880 job in America and be a songwriter. Uh did that 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.480 and started songwriting for other people. And now at that 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.439 point I was kind of like flavor testing with producers 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.720 and just like also learning how to be a songwriter 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.040 and like how to make music, you know, in a 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:19.680 way that is not just like I don't know there's 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:21.800 levels to it, right, Like I think that there's there 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.520 at the end of the day. There's a certain like 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.560 algorithm and math that comes with songwriting that you can 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.880 acknowledge that you can't. And like, at that point is 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:43.080 when I started to acknowledge it how much when your 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.439 songwriting is a result of what you hear in your 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:49.600 head versus experimentation. Just like in the moment, I think 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.360 it's like pretty fifty fifty. I think the first fifty 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.559 is usually what you hear in your head, and then 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.480 bringing that from pen to paper and then and then 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.600 from there it's usually like the rest of it is 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.640 revising it and molding it into something that is bigger 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.880 and better. As Bartow always says, it's like we're designing sound. 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.120 You know, we're literally designing sound waves. That is what 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:16.400 producing and songwriting is. So it's like really an interesting process. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:19.480 But yeah, i'd say, like it's really weird when you 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:23.080 think about what we're doing. We're just like tweaking things 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.560 to make sound waves sound different. Like these things you 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.520 can't see, what you can feel and they make you 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.000 have dopamine boost in your brain and then we put 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.560 them out. That's what we do. But yeah, it's it's 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.679 I mean, it's a big experimentation, like none of us 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.440 really know what we're doing at all. Like you go 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.160 into session and like this is gonna be shitty, and 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.199 then this is really dope, you know, like this cool 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.040 thing came out of it. Or like you had this 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.920 throwaway idea that you thought was trash that you know, be, 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.320 I mean be had an idea that you said you 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.120 played and like when you're in high school, right for contact, Yeah, 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.200 that base risks like actually like super influenced from a 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.560 song that I wrote when I was like yeah, So 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:03.600 it's like ship like that where you're just like, oh wow, 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.680 I did not think this would be anything, and then 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.760 it becomes something and then you turn on a microphone 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:10.480 and you're just like all right, you try it, and 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.080 you try it, and you try and you just throw 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:16.439 melodies down with just gibberish and then you fill in 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.440 the blanks, you know. So there's there's no right or 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.840 wrong way to do it. But we've also recently been 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.920 tapping into like trying to write the song first before 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.880 we even produce it, and just like we call it 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.760 the camp fire test, where you just once you get 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.760 an idea, you're like, cool before we throw anything else, 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:34.720 because you can kind of get disguised. Like that's where 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.920 like a lot of modern production now is like cool, 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.120 you have a crazy beat, like the song, can you 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.880 like sit there by a campfire and sing it? You know. 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.360 So it's like I think that's that's the real key. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.679 Does the song stand up? But the song stands up, 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:50.920 the production just comes easy. Well, here's a question with 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.200 from a very personal place. I'm somebody who's loved music 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.400 my whole life. I can play a couple of different instruments. 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.120 I have never been able to write a song in 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.360 my entire life. Just I can't do it. I don't 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.480 know if it's I'm just not tapped into that part 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.640 of the universe. I'm too inhibited. I don't know what 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.200 it is, But what would you say to someone like 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.640 me who's having a hard time sort of tapping into 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.240 that that part of themselves? Like, how do you how 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:18.760 do you start? Basically let go mushrooms a number of 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:23.080 times some of my dearest friends. Yeah, but Barta said, also, 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.040 just like letting go, it's like a matter of just 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:30.320 like the first thousand are probably gonna be terrible, but 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.640 that's like it's just like experienced through it. Like it's 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.880 like if you finish a song, that's the hardest thing 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.960 ever to do. Yeah, it's like it's it's this crazy 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.160 ego chapter. You're like, oh, dang, I gotta like I mean, 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.240 you just gotta not care because there's really is no 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.360 right way to do it. There's no right answer. There's 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.120 no like, oh this is good. It just does it 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:53.240 feel good? Cool? Have you heard baby Shark before? Yes? 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.560 Pay for that song sucks, but like like when you 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.840 listen to it, you're like, this song, Hey, it's awesome, 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.240 and like it's like a cultural phenomena. It's like if 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.200 I told you I read a song about baby sharks, 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.160 Like don't do it. It's the whole family of sharks 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:12.120 and family sharks. Also keeping that there's like four or 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.880 five parts at most usually, and like keeping that that 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.000 the ground you is like you know, it is this 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:19.680 big scary thing. It's like, oh, I have to make 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.880 words and sounds and all these things work together. But 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:25.040 it's like, realistically, a song usually is a composition of 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.720 four or five parts. It's like, you know, as fung 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.440 as you, they don't even have to be good parts, 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:33.720 just just identify those parts. My mom. I went to 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.160 visit my mom a couple of weeks ago, and I 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.880 was like helping her clean out like her closet. I 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:43.080 found this box that she had kept all my like 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:47.040 original songs. It was literally a binder like this thick 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.360 of just all these like songs that I had from 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:53.560 like early early days. And it was just like like 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:57.200 little like like napkins and or whatever. And I just 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.360 like just had a song called just the song is 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.080 called nine was just lyrics was the whole time in 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.240 different like cadences, different flows, but basically it was like 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.200 I think I wrote that it was like two or something, 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.240 but it was just like at least like little things 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:13.040 but she kept it. Now like actually, like I've like 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.480 it was wild to see because I'm like, oh my god, 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.000 there's like things Ukulele was a kid just like but 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:19.360 I think it's that kind. I think that he said 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.680 the first thousand we're gonna suck, and it's like look 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:23.360 back then, it's like, yeah, well, these songs are just 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.440 like random words thrown together. But like you evolved and 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.160 you flex that muscle. He's work out. I'm still on song. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.440 I can write a really good thing. Yeah. What would 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:39.080 Malcolm Gladwall say about that six hundred? You're getting close? Wow? 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:40.840 That So it sounds like this is this has been 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:42.560 a part of your life making music, all of you 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.600 since you know you you were you know, learning to 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.600 walk and learning to sing around the same time, it 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.160 sounds like my dad wanted to name me Stevie Ray 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:55.360 or Eddie Van. That's yeah. My mom was pissed about it, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:59.120 says she didn't like to happen. We're definitely bred by 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:05.600 our parents. They thank you dads. There, dads. My dad's 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.320 like not very into music at all. My dads like entrepreneurs, 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.919 very creative person. He's the most probably the most eccentric, 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.399 well he's more escentric than all of us come by, 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.520 and that's true, but like, weirdly enough, I just kind 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.480 of like I was like, yeah, music, and he was 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.320 supportive of That's the key. I think a lot of 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.800 kids don't have support from the parents. I think that's 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.159 the big difference. Is like the reason all of us 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:30.879 are in this position today is because like throughout our lives, 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.000 it was like, you know, even when b was in trouble, 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.600 he was grounded, but his punishment was he had to 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:37.920 play music, like that was like his things. So it 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.600 was like, you know, it all kind of flows back 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:42.320 and this thing of like where a lot of parents big, no, 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.320 hell no, you're not playing music. It doesn't make sense. 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.760 But it's like there, it's you know, it's fun. It's 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.720 it's a great life. It's like, you know, we're all depressed, 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:57.720 but it's awesome. I mean, yeah, to take an instrument 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.240 out of a kid's hand feels like taking a book 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.800 out of a kid's hand. It's like that seems cruel 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.760 to me. That's yeah. You mentioned earlier about the campfire 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.320 test versus stuff that you're doing in the studio, and 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:12.400 it almost sounds like the difference between you know, composing 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:16.199 and songwriting is a skill versus sort of making like soundscapes. 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.240 Are there any people who really influenced you as soundscapers, 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.000 Like I'm a big Brian Eno fan and Pepe Floyd, 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:28.439 I'm a big classic rock guy. Yeah, Robin Thick, Trent 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.760 Reson for me, like oh yeah, just so good at 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.040 just like creating a motion through sound, and like Hance 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.560 White his many movies stuff like it's so cool to 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.040 like listen to someone that like writes really good songs 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.399 and then writes really good compositions that make you feel 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.040 something without necessarily where its I was really insparted, like 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:50.479 Kanye West as a kid, his level of just weird 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.159 sounds and you're like, he'll put something out and then 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.359 a year or two later you'll see everyone else kind 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.240 of catching up to what he did, you know, and 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.840 it's like the his like level of sound design is 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.200 crazy or it's like, you know, that's he's a true curator. 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.119 You know, you can take other things. It creates is 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:10.040 a weird things Deptnes and um Frank Ocean for me 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.200 entirely creator earlier Tyle the Creator and Kendrick as well 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.760 a lot of rap dudes. It's funny because people always ask, 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.919 They're like, oh, like, if you could write with anyone, 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:21.800 or if you could get in the studio with anybody, 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.919 who would it be in Every single time I answer 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.359 like all the rap, dude. I love Baby Team, I 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.199 love Kendrick, I love Tyler, I love bass App. I 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.880 think they have like that. Rock has such a formula 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.720 to it, you know, and and rap does as well, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.480 but I think there's a different nature to it in 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:43.520 that spirit of like that swag and that kind of 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:48.679 like uh. I definitely like to let influence a lot 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.200 of the things that we do. For sure. I love 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:54.959 just taking apart some of those songs, like My Beautiful, 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:56.720 Dark Twisted Fantasy is one of my favorite albums of 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.880 all time, And just like picking apart all the sample 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.160 and seeing where they all come from. I mean, that's 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:03.680 one of my favorite things to do. It just goes 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:05.680 I mean, for me, it helps me appreciate it more 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:07.760 because it's just like, oh my god, not only are 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.600 you such a fan of music that you're pulling in 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.360 stuff from such a wide place what we're talking about earlier, 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.320 but just the way that you assemble in such a 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.080 way that I I'm a big old vinyl nerd. I 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.120 love collecting old soul forty fives from the fifties and sixties. 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.639 I had no idea that that was that baseline from 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.240 like you know, an old Stacks track or something. It's 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:31.320 crazy like the high contrast of things. Yeah, I think 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.920 oftentimes I like a lude kind of picture. Music is 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.080 like a thing in my brain, like I can like 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:40.920